I've not read the gravel bike threads because I don't have a subscription 
to the NY times that will let me read that article , so I might be missing 
something.  Like Ted, I've just always interpreted that term to be a 
marketing effort by the mainstream bike industry (and adjacent industries, 
like media publishing) to re-quoin and popularize the "all-rounder" or 
"country bike" or "hybrid" or "monster-cross" or "all-road" concept, or 
what most of the people on this list simply call a "bicycle."  I think 
there's an argument that the very first 650b-specific bike in the era of 
that wheel size's modern resurgence - the Saluki - WAS a gravel bike.  

With disc brake-equipped bikes, couldn't most any gravel-labeled bike with 
adequate tire clearance and a reasonably high bottom bracket be converted 
to 650b?  To me, that flexibility has always been the single best argument 
for disc brakes in the first place.  For mainstream manufacturers, low 
bottom brackets (that might otherwise make conversion a bad idea) are still 
rare  because of fear of liability or complaints of riders getting pedal 
strikes while attempting to pedal through a turn.

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 10:06:34 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Black Mountain Cycles new Mod-Zero frame can be set up with 650B. Tires 
> max out at 2.25” with that wheel size. A A29er setup would max out at 2”. 
>
> [image: DSC09104.jpg]
>
> Mod Zero <https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/>
> blackmtncycles.com <https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/>
> <https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/>
>
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
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> On Jul 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>
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