Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Kim H.]

DON'T DO IT !

I am collectively in the same thought as the others before my post. Save 
the Clem Smith Jr. "L"  for after his college years for him to thoroughly 
appreciate it, as a graduation present.  

Yes, the likelihood of it getting stolen is very high in a college setting. 
Buy him a second hand bicycle to ride to college. If it does get stolen, 
you will be heart-broken and have a very difficult time forgiving yourself 
for allowing him to ride the Clem to college.  

Rivendell bicycles are very special and their owners treat them well with 
the utmost care. 

*The Clem will not fit on the bicycle rack of a transit bus. It is nearly 
80" long.* 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:23:44 PM UTC-7 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I'm going to go against others' strong opinions here. It probably depends 
> on where exactly he's going, but a Riv can be fine on a college campus if 
> he's careful. My Crust and Rivendell have both survived college campus life 
> at the University of Montana with me. I've had to use all sorts of 
> creativity for keeping them inside in Montana winters; they've ended up 
> under my bed, hanging in a closet, in the garage at work, in my living room 
> in the house I live in now, and the list goes on and on. When leaving them 
> locked up, my thinking is that they don't look like fancy modern bikes that 
> would be attractive to theives, and if they are locked well (I usually use 
> two u-locks if leaving for more than a couple hours) then the theives will 
> go for the abundance of basic modern mountain bikes locked with cables 
> instead. It's worked well for me for the past three years, and I know 
> several others who have ridden nice bikes on college campuses for many 
> years. Lock it up well, don't completely ignore it and it'll be fine. And 
> if it's not, then at least it was being loved and not just sitting around.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le sam. 5 août 2023 à 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> a écrit :
>
>> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college 
>> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, 
>> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up 
>> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
>> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>>
>> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, 
>> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I 
>> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the 
>> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of 
>> saying… 
>>
>> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if 
>> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
>> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
>> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
>> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
>> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
>> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
>> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
>> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
>> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
>> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>>
>> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, 
>> because it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike 
>> rack - and I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life 
>> is totally unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno 
>> because the kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I 
>> will not sleep at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 
>> takes 700c, so I don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he 
>> really wants. But as of now, he wants his new bike.
>>
>> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would 
>> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could 
>> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
>> through undergrad together.
>>
>> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college 
>> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Josiah Anderson]

I'm going to go against others' strong opinions here. It probably depends
on where exactly he's going, but a Riv can be fine on a college campus if
he's careful. My Crust and Rivendell have both survived college campus life
at the University of Montana with me. I've had to use all sorts of
creativity for keeping them inside in Montana winters; they've ended up
under my bed, hanging in a closet, in the garage at work, in my living room
in the house I live in now, and the list goes on and on. When leaving them
locked up, my thinking is that they don't look like fancy modern bikes that
would be attractive to theives, and if they are locked well (I usually use
two u-locks if leaving for more than a couple hours) then the theives will
go for the abundance of basic modern mountain bikes locked with cables
instead. It's worked well for me for the past three years, and I know
several others who have ridden nice bikes on college campuses for many
years. Lock it up well, don't completely ignore it and it'll be fine. And
if it's not, then at least it was being loved and not just sitting around.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula, MT

Le sam. 5 août 2023 à 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses,
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who
> doesn’t ride, sigh).
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020,
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of
> saying…
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe,
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.”
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Matthew Williams]

Don’t do it!

The college towns in which I’ve lived—and currently live—have a terrible 
problem with bike theft. I frequently see cut locks and stripped frames in the 
racks outside the dorms, apartment complexes, and university villages, and 
certain streets in this college town are littered with sad piles of 
disassembled frames, wheels, and miscellaneous parts.

Get a beater bike he won’t have to worry about when he locks it up outdoors. My 
college beater bike got me around campus even though it was badly neglected: I 
nad neither the time nor the money to spend on it . . . but I never had to 
worry about it being stolen.

He shouldn’t have to worry about his heirloom Clem, and he’ll be heartbroken 
when it’s stolen. Keep it safe in the garage, and save it for when he 
graduates. 



> On Aug 5, 2023, at 8:18 PM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
> 
> Our children both had their bicycles stolen.  One child had two bicycles 
> taken.  They were hurt even though the bicycles were "beater" bicycles as 
> they liked the cheap bicycles.
> Save the Clem for when the child is at home and so he will come home to ride 
> the Clem.
> 
> The child will be expanding their universe greatly during the first year of 
> college.  Save them a bit of responsibility by sending in the "beater" at 
> least for the first year.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Curtis
> One outta Grad School
> One a third year Medical Student
> 
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 8:05 PM  > wrote:
>> Don’t do it. I used to work on a college campus and the reality is, bikes 
>> are stolen like crazy, campuses are targeted by bike thieves, college kids 
>> are busy and forgetful and all it takes is one careless lockup and it’s (or 
>> parts of it’s)  gone. 
>> I don’t believe there’s any way to keep a nice bike like a Clem safe or 
>> intact on a college campus.
>> Get a big steel 90’s MTB and put a Sunlite fake Albatross on it. 
>> Just my .02
>> Congratulations to you for guiding your son towards the next phase of his 
>> life! 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2023, at 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college 
>>> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, 
>>> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up 
>>> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
>>> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>>> 
>>> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, 
>>> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I 
>>> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the 
>>> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of 
>>> saying… 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if he 
>>> wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
>>> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
>>> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
>>> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
>>> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
>>> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
>>> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
>>> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
>>> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
>>> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>>> 
>>> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because 
>>> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and 
>>> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally 
>>> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the 
>>> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep 
>>> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I 
>>> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But 
>>> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>>> 
>>> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would 
>>> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could 
>>> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
>>> through undergrad together.
>>> 
>>> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college with 
>>> a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
>>> Leah
>>> 
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[RBW] WTB - Pedal Wood Extender Blocks

[J Imler]

If you bought some you didn’t end up using I’d like to take them off your 
hands.

One you add blocks, you can’t ride stock.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Curtis McKenzie]

Our children both had their bicycles stolen.  One child had two bicycles
taken.  They were hurt even though the bicycles were "beater" bicycles as
they liked the cheap bicycles.
Save the Clem for when the child is at home and so he will come home to
ride the Clem.

The child will be expanding their universe greatly during the first year of
college.  Save them a bit of responsibility by sending in the "beater" at
least for the first year.

Peace,

Curtis
One outta Grad School
One a third year Medical Student

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 8:05 PM  wrote:

> Don’t do it. I used to work on a college campus and the reality is, bikes
> are stolen like crazy, campuses are targeted by bike thieves, college kids
> are busy and forgetful and all it takes is one careless lockup and it’s (or
> parts of it’s)  gone.
> I don’t believe there’s any way to keep a nice bike like a Clem safe or
> intact on a college campus.
> Get a big steel 90’s MTB and put a Sunlite fake Albatross on it.
> Just my .02
> Congratulations to you for guiding your son towards the next phase of his
> life!
>
> On Aug 5, 2023, at 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses,
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who
> doesn’t ride, sigh).
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020,
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of
> saying…
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe,
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.”
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Sarah Carlson]

Such a beautiful bike and kind of lovely to see him on his grandpa's frame. 
Looks like it fits him really well. I have no good insight into this, other 
than it would be really sad to see that bike turn into a "garage queen" 
when he looks so natural on it. Is there room for him to stash this 
gorgeous bike for pleasure riding and also keep a beater for all the 
student activities? 

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:05:57 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> Don’t do it. I used to work on a college campus and the reality is, bikes 
> are stolen like crazy, campuses are targeted by bike thieves, college kids 
> are busy and forgetful and all it takes is one careless lockup and it’s (or 
> parts of it’s)  gone. 
> I don’t believe there’s any way to keep a nice bike like a Clem safe or 
> intact on a college campus.
> Get a big steel 90’s MTB and put a Sunlite fake Albatross on it. 
> Just my .02
> Congratulations to you for guiding your son towards the next phase of his 
> life! 
>
> On Aug 5, 2023, at 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college 
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, 
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up 
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, 
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I 
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the 
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of 
> saying… 
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if 
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because 
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and 
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally 
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the 
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep 
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I 
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But 
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would 
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could 
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college 
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Comfy aluminum frames?

[Ryan]

What Mathias says is right about older Cannondales with cro-mo forks. I 
also had a T600 Cannondale that I bought in 1988 for about $650-700 - red 
18-speed with half-step gearing with a Biopace(remember those?) Deore 
crank...bike was a mix of 600 and Deore. It was a fine touring bike that 
also rode well unloaded; quick enough and actually a lot more fun and chill 
than the Rossin with Campy SR that was my go-fast...which I hardly rode 
after I got that Cannondale. The Rossin I sold on without a tinge of 
regret. Loaded touring, centuries , fast club rides...it was a great 
bike...until I fell in love with a 93 X0-1...which over 50 miles in my 
fitter youth, I didn't like as much as the Cannondale, if I'm honest. 

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:38:38 PM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> I have a habit of taking in a stray bike every year, usually in the fall, 
> and then make it my baby for the following season. Living in Michigan, 
> that's a sound approach with plenty of time for the rehabilitation. My 
> tastes run to the old and cheap, but maybe I can offer some perspective for 
> your question.
>
> In 2021, that bike was a 1997 Cannondale R200 Criterium bike. Look up 
> "harsh aluminum" on wikipedia, and there'll be a picture of it. Quick 
> handling, maximum tire size 28 mm [GP5000, 26 mm actual] and there was a 
> 16th of an inch gap at the seat tube. I liked riding it, and with a 
> Technomic stem I found it comfortable, but if you rode over a coin in the 
> road, you could tell whether it was heads or tails. Last year's bike was, a 
> 1987 Cannondale ST600 that I got as a frame set from a friend on 
> bikeforums. Fantastic riding sport touring bike, no vices, quick-enough 
> handling but not nervous, and with 32 mm GP5000s, 30 mm actual, a fine 
> ride. It has a classic steel fork with a proper crown, I'm guessing that 
> helps. It's not harsh at all, and dirt-road capable so long as there's no 
> deep sand or gravel. This year I'm riding a 1981 Motobécane Grand Touring, 
> light-weight Vitus tubing, 27x1-1/4 Paselas, also 30 mm actual width, and 
> it rides just like the ST, only it looks better doing it. The ST is at best 
> 1 mph faster on my timed rides, but those Contis are low-rolling-resistance 
> tires. I don't believe I'm wasting energy anywhere else on my bicycles.
>
> Finally, my Forever Bike is a '95 Cannondale T400 -- so I'm partial to 
> 'dales, what of it?  -- that I bought new. It's shod with 700x35c Paselas 
> measuring 36 mm and I run them in the 40s. That bike is not harsh at all 
> the way it is set up, and it's my go-to ride for mixed roads. When the 
> things being pushed around by a frame are the rubber tires below and my 
> ample hind quarters above, there is no difference in "give" between a 
> triangle made from steel vs. aluminum tubes. I will say that any kind of 
> rattle, like from the pannier hooks on the racki, sounds nasty on a 
> big-tube aluminum frame. Maybe that's where the myth of the "harsh riding" 
> aluminum frames comes from.
>
> "Comfy aluminum" really does exist. Look for a frame with a geometry that 
> suits your riding and with room for the kind of tire you like. Problem 
> solved. Aluminum will never look as korrekt as steel does, but that wasn't 
> what you had asked. Please let us know what you find in your travels... my 
> foray into different bikes has mostly taught me what I'd read before.. it's 
> hard to build a bad bicycle. 
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:02:56 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> Haven’t ridden aluminum in many years, it always beat me up. But 
>> technology improves and maybe there’s something new I don’t know about. So 
>> is “comfy aluminum “ an oxymoron or can it really exist? Interested in your 
>> thoughts and experiences,
>> Alan nyc
>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[luckyturnip]

Don’t do it. I used to work on a college campus and the reality is, bikes are stolen like crazy, campuses are targeted by bike thieves, college kids are busy and forgetful and all it takes is one careless lockup and it’s (or parts of it’s)  gone. I don’t believe there’s any way to keep a nice bike like a Clem safe or intact on a college campus.Get a big steel 90’s MTB and put a Sunlite fake Albatross on it. Just my .02Congratulations to you for guiding your son towards the next phase of his life! On Aug 5, 2023, at 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who doesn’t ride, sigh). My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of saying… Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But as of now, he wants his new bike.I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey through undergrad together.I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…Leah



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[RBW] A College Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college 
in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, 
bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up 
riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
doesn’t ride, sigh). 

My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, 
and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I 
lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the 
bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of 
saying… 

Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if he 
wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 

I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because 
it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and 
I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally 
unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the 
kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep 
at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I 
don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But 
as of now, he wants his new bike.

I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would 
be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could 
be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
through undergrad together.

I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college with 
a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Comfy aluminum frames?

[Mathias Steiner]

Hi Alan,

I have a habit of taking in a stray bike every year, usually in the fall, 
and then make it my baby for the following season. Living in Michigan, 
that's a sound approach with plenty of time for the rehabilitation. My 
tastes run to the old and cheap, but maybe I can offer some perspective for 
your question.

In 2021, that bike was a 1997 Cannondale R200 Criterium bike. Look up 
"harsh aluminum" on wikipedia, and there'll be a picture of it. Quick 
handling, maximum tire size 28 mm [GP5000, 26 mm actual] and there was a 
16th of an inch gap at the seat tube. I liked riding it, and with a 
Technomic stem I found it comfortable, but if you rode over a coin in the 
road, you could tell whether it was heads or tails. Last year's bike was, a 
1987 Cannondale ST600 that I got as a frame set from a friend on 
bikeforums. Fantastic riding sport touring bike, no vices, quick-enough 
handling but not nervous, and with 32 mm GP5000s, 30 mm actual, a fine 
ride. It has a classic steel fork with a proper crown, I'm guessing that 
helps. It's not harsh at all, and dirt-road capable so long as there's no 
deep sand or gravel. This year I'm riding a 1981 Motobécane Grand Touring, 
light-weight Vitus tubing, 27x1-1/4 Paselas, also 30 mm actual width, and 
it rides just like the ST, only it looks better doing it. The ST is at best 
1 mph faster on my timed rides, but those Contis are low-rolling-resistance 
tires. I don't believe I'm wasting energy anywhere else on my bicycles.

Finally, my Forever Bike is a '95 Cannondale T400 -- so I'm partial to 
'dales, what of it?  -- that I bought new. It's shod with 700x35c Paselas 
measuring 36 mm and I run them in the 40s. That bike is not harsh at all 
the way it is set up, and it's my go-to ride for mixed roads. When the 
things being pushed around by a frame are the rubber tires below and my 
ample hind quarters above, there is no difference in "give" between a 
triangle made from steel vs. aluminum tubes. I will say that any kind of 
rattle, like from the pannier hooks on the racki, sounds nasty on a 
big-tube aluminum frame. Maybe that's where the myth of the "harsh riding" 
aluminum frames comes from.

"Comfy aluminum" really does exist. Look for a frame with a geometry that 
suits your riding and with room for the kind of tire you like. Problem 
solved. Aluminum will never look as korrekt as steel does, but that wasn't 
what you had asked. Please let us know what you find in your travels... my 
foray into different bikes has mostly taught me what I'd read before.. it's 
hard to build a bad bicycle. 

cheers -mathias

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:02:56 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> Haven’t ridden aluminum in many years, it always beat me up. But 
> technology improves and maybe there’s something new I don’t know about. So 
> is “comfy aluminum “ an oxymoron or can it really exist? Interested in your 
> thoughts and experiences,
> Alan nyc
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Does Anyone Have an Available Clem Poster?

[LeRoy]

Bump, if I may.

Bob

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 6:43:42 PM UTC-4 LeRoy wrote:

> As noted in another recent post, I’m a sucker for Clem-related things of 
> many sorts. One of those sorts would be the original Clem poster issued 
> when the bikes were first introduced around 2017. Does anyone have one they 
> would part with? I’ll pay a reasonable price plus postage. It will be going 
> to a good garage. Please let me know by email or messaging and thanks In 
> advance for your consideration. 
>
>  
>
> Bob
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[RBW] Re: FS: Cliffhanger Tandem/Cargo Wheelset

[Bones]

Knew I'd miss something. 29ers!

Thanks, 
Bones

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> Hi Bones, 
> What wheel size, please?
> -Wes
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:08:51 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>
>> I bought these from Velocity a few years ago. I replaced the front hub 
>> with a Shimano dynamo. 40H rear, 36H front. Both rims have machined 
>> sidewalls. The rear has a bolt-on rotor mount, the front is centerlock 
>> (dust cover included).They are black but they have a subtle color to them, 
>> can't quite explain it. I think they look cool. Hopefully the pictures show 
>> it. They haven't seen all that much use. Skewers included. $400 shipped (or 
>> best offer) lower 48.
>>
>> [image: wheels01.jpg][image: wheels02.jpg][image: wheels03.jpg][image: 
>> wheels04.jpg]
>> Thanks,
>> Bones
>>
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Re: [RBW] My first Rivendell/My first post

[Luke Hendrickson]

Congrats!!! I also saw my first Riv then (an Atlantis) and got it just a 
year ago. I happen to have that rd as well and it’s the coolest one around 
in my opinion.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:13:23 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> That’s a beautiful Ram—I hope you enjoy it for many years! 
>
> Toshi in Oakland 
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:55 AM Anthony Beauchemin  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All! My name is Anthony and I've been a member of this group for a 
>> couple years now, but have never actually posted.
>> I just got my first Rivendell and that seemed like a good first post! 
>> It's a green Rambouillet and I'm stoked. The first time I ever saw a Riv 
>> was in 2007/8 when I bought a saddle off Craigslist and the seller rolled 
>> up on an orange Ram. It feels fitting that my first, and maybe only...who 
>> knows, Rivendell would be a Rambouillet. While I built it with stuff I had 
>> laying around, I took this opportunity to get a Suntour 3 pulley 
>> derailleur. Like the Riv, I always wanted one and now I have it! [image: 
>> IMG-5532.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Cliffhanger Tandem/Cargo Wheelset

[Wesley]

Hi Bones, 
What wheel size, please?
-Wes

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:08:51 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> I bought these from Velocity a few years ago. I replaced the front hub 
> with a Shimano dynamo. 40H rear, 36H front. Both rims have machined 
> sidewalls. The rear has a bolt-on rotor mount, the front is centerlock 
> (dust cover included).They are black but they have a subtle color to them, 
> can't quite explain it. I think they look cool. Hopefully the pictures show 
> it. They haven't seen all that much use. Skewers included. $400 shipped (or 
> best offer) lower 48.
>
> [image: wheels01.jpg][image: wheels02.jpg][image: wheels03.jpg][image: 
> wheels04.jpg]
> Thanks,
> Bones
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[John Rinker]

Bump on the Riv Rider's Map for any who missed it.

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:31:57 AM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Nevada, South Dakota, and Rhode Island seem to be the only states devoid 
> of Riv Riders (I'm sure they're out there!), and East of the Mississippi 
> seems far more represented than the vast, open spaces out West. 
>
> I'm enjoying how this map has come together.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 6:25:56 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Great news, John. Thanks for making this happen.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:59:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> And with that, Tony, you become the 200th rider on the list!
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 Hi John, just added my Hillborne to the list. Thanks!

 Pretty remarkable to see how many are in the bay area.not so many 
 in LA. Thanks!

 On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 10:39:01 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:

> I love this! Just added me + the Betty, excited to see who else in NYC 
> is rocking a Riv <3
>
> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:32:53 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Almost 200 riders on the map now, and quite a few lovely photos of 
>> some fine Rivs around the world.
>>
>> See the top of the thread if you want to add a pin.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:07:35 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Just a reminder on this map if you haven't gone through the thread: 
>>> You don't need to put your specific address if you'd rather not. A 
>>> random 
>>> address in your city or town, or a cross street nearby is enough.
>>>
>>> Also, you can add a photo of your bike if you wish. We all love to 
>>> see the cool bikes about which we are so passionate!
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 4:07:26 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Bump on this for those who may have missed it and want to add a pin 
 to the map. See the top of the thread for instructions.

 On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:20:12 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> I've added Rivendell Dealers to the Riv Rider's Map, and these 
> icons are in blue. I used the addresses found on the Riv website, but 
> I'm 
> not sure if all of these dealers are still dealers or even in 
> business.
>
> If anyone knows what I don't, let me know and I'll update the map.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 5:59:52 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Ha, Ray! That's a brilliant idea per Keith's caution about using 
>> your specific address. 
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick. I'm working on it.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 11:38:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like this idea. Please do add this feature.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:45 PM John Rinker  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm playing with the idea of riders being able to add a photo 
 of their bike such that when one clicks on a map pin not only do 
 you get 
 info in the sidebar but also an image of a beautiful bicycle. (You 
 can 
 check out the pin I added at RBW as an example)

 Could be a fun addition. Of course, anyone who has more than 
 one Riv would have to make a choice. 

 Cheers, John

 On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:05:38 AM UTC-7 Drew Saunders 
 wrote:

> Good idea! I found the street address of my nearest post 
> office and changed my answer to that. It's close enough, and if 
> any bike 
> thieves go there, they'll be very, very, confused.
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:05:08 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> This is great.  Thanks for putting it together! 
>>  I have couple of suggestions, more for the participant 
>> pi-droppers than for John:
>>
>> 1)  Please be cautious and think twice about listing your 
>> actual home address.  Especially if you live somewhere like 
>> Denver or 
>> Oakland, where bike theft is a major industry.  Thieves could 
>> use this info 
>> to stake-out and target your place.
>>
>> 2)  it would be great to list the model(s) and size(s) of 
>> bikes you own.  So many times I wish I could have test-ridden 
>> something, 
>> but didn't know how to find an example nearby.  This could 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Bob]

Ted (Wood, rather than Durant, but he can read this too!),

I have—well, had, after today—the RH Humptulips, with the endurance casing, 
on another bike. Swapped tires today, and I can report that Humptulips *with 
endurance casing* measure 54 mm on Cliffhanger rims. RH says that their 
tires with extra-light casings are a millimeter or two wider than those 
with standard casing on the same rim. My guess is that what one gains in 
protection from the stiffer casing one loses in width, but not much.

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On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 11:43:22 AM UTC-6 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> So, I’m just going to say it. This is the reason I ditched 26” for mixed 
> surface riding. I was having trouble finding tires that I liked (but he SK+ 
> wasn’t available in 26” at the time). They were all really geared towards 
> knobby MTB applications and not hard pack / pavement mixed riding.
>
> That said, Vittoria Mezcals are available in 26x2.1, ETRTO 52-559 (52mm). 
> They might work for you. I ran them for a while on my Gus Boots when I 
> first built it and they were quite nice. I was running 29x2.6” which was 
> overkill for my use case, but they were very comfortable. They make a bit 
> more road noise than the SKs you have now but they still roll well on 
> pavement.
>
> The Humptulips are a solid choice as well. A friend of mine runs a similar 
> RH tire in their 27.5 variety (the name escapes me) and he loves them.
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:12 PM Bob  wrote:
>
>> Ted,
>>
>> Yes, I measure the angles at 73° for both seat and head tubes. Mind you, 
>> this is with my phone, but the feel of the riding position is akin to 
>> another bike that I know to be 73°/73°.
>>
>> This bike is closer to the AR specified in the RBW 1996 catalog (pp. 
>> 11–12) than to the AR in the first-generation geometry chart given in 
>> catalog no. 5 (summer 1999). But all photos of ARs I've seen have have 
>> double eyelets on the fork dropouts; mine has only fender eyelets on the 
>> back of the fork dropouts.
>>
>> --
>> Bob 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:40:50 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:39:24 PM UTC-5 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
>>> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
>>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
>>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
>>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>>>
>>> Super short fork rake suggests Riv ATB, and it looks like the BB drop is 
>>> pretty shallow, too. But not as much top tube angle as I'd expect for an 
>>> ATB.  Head lugs match what were on my Riv ATB, built at Waterford around 
>>> '96 or so. Also, my ATB had vertical dropouts, where this one has short 
>>> horizontals.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Leah Peterson]

I’m grateful for all the suggestions and may have questions for some of you later. Marc is out of town and I’ll chat with him when he gets back and we’ll finalize the plan…which may include winging it and deciding on the route at the shop!At any rate, sounds like we are going to get to meet a lot of new people and see their bikes and for that, I’m thrilled.Thanks for being so fun!LeahOn Aug 5, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Jason  wrote:Hey Hash, glad you think the route is good -- and that's a solid point on Sheridan. My map was a bit of a quick sketch to show a concept of potential destinations, but I just made a couple updates/improvements based on a ride I took up to Baha'i and down the Lakefront Trail in June. Connecting to the LFT from Evanston now shows much less of Sheridan and much more residential neighborhood before hitting Ardmore and the lake. That said, I'm certain there are other ways to improve the connections. Whatever direction the Chicago Riv Ride takes, I think it would probably be worth getting advice from the folks at Mack's.On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5 Hash wrote:Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for a minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that ride down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, Leah and Marc! If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting perhaps the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail. I sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer Co., which has food, beer, and an outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via the North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House of Worship. Here's a map of that concept.JasonOak Park, ILOn Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the LFT. Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different kind of ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier makes sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, so from an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat lunch. (Since I've had kids my views on Navy Pier have softened.) Depending on start time, pace, and number of riders, it might be worthwhile to consider holding off on lunch until after the midpoint. I don't typically ride  the LFT on weekends, at least not north of the museums, but I'd be happy to do it for a Riv ride. Looping around to the Channel Trail is a good idea, it's far less crowded. Also happy to do Bike the Drive with some fellow Riv riders - it's Sunday, September 3, though my son and I will be riding at a 9 year-old's pace.CodyChicago   On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to suggestions for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point for a 35 mile ride from Mack's.MarcOn Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars spent.On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place we can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition of our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near, well, that would be the dream.On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a lot of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and andersonville, and...)I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone wants to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic style.-Mike On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and we took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus. Rather lovely area.No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking Amtrak out from Albuquerque.On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Hi All,The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done it but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting us. We 

[RBW] Re: Have you tried MKS Seahorse pedals

[Eric Marth]

Seahorses seem a little small for you, Paul. Which bike are you considering 
them for? 

I like the enlarged version of the Sylvan Touring that Crust sells, the 
Gordito. There's also a new version from Sim Works called the "Taco" which 
is built on the Gordito body but with a grippy platform with more studs. 

For my feet the MKS Lambda are the most comfortable. Having tried both, I 
like them slightly more than the Gammas. 

The MKS XC-III are a nice pedal and look appropriate on a vintage ATB but I 
found them uncomfortable for longer road rides on my Hillborne. 

I have a pair of Crank Bros Stamp 2 pedals I haven't tried on any of my 
bikes yet. Might be the thing for my very wide feet. They've got the 
largest platform of any pedals I've seen. 

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:59:10 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Paul! What, no love for the Bubblys?
>
> Adam
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Re: [RBW] For Sale: Bedrock Cairn sandals, Size 13

[Eric Marth]

Still available, despite some interest. Thanks!
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:51:24 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> You can actually print out the templates, take pictures of your feet on 
> them and send it to Bedrock and they’ll tell you which would be the best 
> fit. Sometimes it’s hard to tell how much room you need to get a perfect 
> fit. They were very helpful. 
> I usually wear a size 10, but had to get size 11 in the Bedrock’s. Fit was 
> right on. 
>
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 6:34:05 PM UTC-6 Danny wrote:
>
>> I sized up on my Bedrocks as well. Another vote for printing out their 
>> sizing templates. Wish I had known about those templates before I ordered, 
>> would have saved the trouble of exchanging my 11s for 12s.
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 6:55 PM Jacob Byard  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m a 10 wide on the brannock device and wear an 11 in Altras. I’ve got 
>>> two pair of Bedrocks in size 11. I believe Bedrock has a sizing template 
>>> that you can print out. Love the sandals and have ridden lots of miles on 
>>> mine. 
>>>
>>> -Jacob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:48 PM, Ted W  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> This is quite serendipitous. The strap on my sandals broke today while I 
>>> was out on a walk and I was already considering these as a replacement when 
>>> they went.
>>>
>>> How would you consider the sizing compared to what you typically wear? I 
>>> tend to be around a 12 in most shoes. I assume they might run big from your 
>>> email, though…
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 9:18 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 Hello people — I have a pair of Bedrock Cairn sandals 
  for sale. Looking 
 for $45 plus shipping to you. They're the regular Cairn model with the 
 flat 
 footbed, size men's 13 / women's 14. Black straps. 

 


 Purchased new in summer of 2020, have worn them a good bit and enjoyed 
 them while riding. I've found one size smaller fits me better so I'm 
 putting these up. 

 Some wear to the tread, you can see in the photos where the tread has 
 been worn flat. If you're curious about sizing you can check out the 
 Bedrock 
 sizing page and even print 
 out an actual size template. 

 


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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Cody Marvin]

Jason, the route you’ve got there is good.  I’d point out it routes to the
north shore channel trail, not the north branch. I’m happy to ride the
original route as planned, or whatever the ride winds up being. I’ve
commuted from Chicago to Evanston for about 15 years, so by now I know just
about every combination of streets and paths to take. If people really want
to deviate from the original plan and incorporate the channel trail, I’d be
happy to help plan some chill roads in between the trails. That said, I
really appreciate Leah and Marc planning this thing, and a trip up and down
the lakefront would be great too.

Cody
Chicago

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:04 PM Jason  wrote:

> Hey Hash, glad you think the route is good -- and that's a solid point on
> Sheridan. My map was a bit of a quick sketch to show a concept of potential
> destinations, but I just made a couple updates/improvements based on a ride
> I took up to Baha'i and down the Lakefront Trail in June. Connecting to the
> LFT from Evanston now shows much less of Sheridan and much more residential
> neighborhood before hitting Ardmore and the lake. That said, I'm certain
> there are other ways to improve the connections. Whatever direction the
> Chicago Riv Ride takes, I think it would probably be worth getting advice
> from the folks at Mack's.
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5 Hash wrote:
>
>> Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for a
>> minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that ride
>> down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, Leah
>>> and Marc!
>>>
>>> If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting
>>> perhaps the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail.
>>> I sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue
>>> Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer
>>> Co ., which has food, beer, and
>>> an outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via the
>>> North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House of
>>> Worship
>>> .
>>> Here's a map of that concept
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason
>>> Oak Park, IL
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the
 LFT. Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different kind
 of ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier
 makes sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, so
 from an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat
 lunch. (Since I've had kids my views on Navy Pier have softened.) Depending
 on start time, pace, and number of riders, it might be worthwhile to
 consider holding off on lunch until after the midpoint. I don't typically
 ride  the LFT on weekends, at least not north of the museums, but I'd be
 happy to do it for a Riv ride. Looping around to the Channel Trail is a
 good idea, it's far less crowded. Also happy to do Bike the Drive with some
 fellow Riv riders - it's Sunday, September 3, though my son and I will be
 riding at a 9 year-old's pace.

 Cody
 Chicago

 On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:

> We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to
> suggestions for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point
> for a 35 mile ride from Mack's.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4
> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are
>> great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a
>> Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value
>> and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of 
>> dollars
>> spent.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some
>>> place we can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the
>>> tradition of our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the
>>> bikes near, well, that would be the dream.
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are
>>> a lot of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: My first Rivendell/My first post

[Anthony Beauchemin]

Thanks, Kim! The pedals are Shimano DX PD-MX30. They're MTB pedals from I
think 2010 or so. They have removable pins and the part of the pedal body
where the spindle goes through is nice and concave...a must for me. I first
got a pair when some were donated to the shop I was working in and now
they're my absolute favorite pedals of all time!

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:05 AM Kim H.  wrote:

> Congratulations Brian acquiring your first Rivendell bicycle !  Looks
> wonderful.
>
> What make are those pedals ?  I have never seen such a pair before.
>
> Long may you ride in many smiles in your adventures on your new Rivendell
> Rambouillet !
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA
> owner of a Clem Smith Jr. "L" in lime olive.
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:55:53 AM UTC-7 brainsa...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All! My name is Anthony and I've been a member of this group for a
>> couple years now, but have never actually posted.
>> I just got my first Rivendell and that seemed like a good first post!
>> It's a green Rambouillet and I'm stoked. The first time I ever saw a Riv
>> was in 2007/8 when I bought a saddle off Craigslist and the seller rolled
>> up on an orange Ram. It feels fitting that my first, and maybe only...who
>> knows, Rivendell would be a Rambouillet. While I built it with stuff I had
>> laying around, I took this opportunity to get a Suntour 3 pulley
>> derailleur. Like the Riv, I always wanted one and now I have it! [image:
>> IMG-5532.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Jason]

Hey Hash, glad you think the route is good -- and that's a solid point on 
Sheridan. My map was a bit of a quick sketch to show a concept of potential 
destinations, but I just made a couple updates/improvements based on a ride 
I took up to Baha'i and down the Lakefront Trail in June. Connecting to the 
LFT from Evanston now shows much less of Sheridan and much more residential 
neighborhood before hitting Ardmore and the lake. That said, I'm certain 
there are other ways to improve the connections. Whatever direction the 
Chicago Riv Ride takes, I think it would probably be worth getting advice 
from the folks at Mack's.
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5 Hash wrote:

> Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for a 
> minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that ride 
> down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>
>> Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, Leah 
>> and Marc! 
>>
>> If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting 
>> perhaps the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail. 
>> I sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue 
>> Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer Co 
>> ., which has food, beer, and an 
>> outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via the 
>> North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House of 
>> Worship 
>> .
>>  
>> Here's a map of that concept 
>> .
>>
>>
>> Jason
>> Oak Park, IL
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the 
>>> LFT. Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different kind 
>>> of ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier 
>>> makes sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, so 
>>> from an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat 
>>> lunch. (Since I've had kids my views on Navy Pier have softened.) Depending 
>>> on start time, pace, and number of riders, it might be worthwhile to 
>>> consider holding off on lunch until after the midpoint. I don't typically 
>>> ride  the LFT on weekends, at least not north of the museums, but I'd be 
>>> happy to do it for a Riv ride. Looping around to the Channel Trail is a 
>>> good idea, it's far less crowded. Also happy to do Bike the Drive with some 
>>> fellow Riv riders - it's Sunday, September 3, though my son and I will be 
>>> riding at a 9 year-old's pace.
>>>
>>> Cody
>>> Chicago   
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>>
 We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to 
 suggestions for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point 
 for a 35 mile ride from Mack's.

 Marc


 On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 
 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are 
> great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a 
> Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value 
> and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of 
> dollars 
> spent.
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some 
>> place we can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the 
>> tradition of our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the 
>> bikes near, well, that would be the dream.
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a 
>> lot of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and 
>> andersonville, and...)
>>
>> I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone 
>> wants to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic 
>> style.
>>
>> -Mike 
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to 
>>> Evanston not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at 
>>> Northwestern, 
>>> and we took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the 
>>> campus. Rather lovely area.
>>>
>>> No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and 
>>> taking Amtrak out from Albuquerque.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 

Re: [RBW] FS: '80s Grant "Roads to Ride" books

[Joe Bernard]

$40 shipped for the Roads To Ride books. 

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:33:34 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> All still available 
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> All yours, Vern! Hit me up at my email, I'm headed to work now, I'll get 
>> back to you tonight for all the pay/shipping details. 
>> ➡️ joeremi62 gmail com
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:32:52 AM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Joe I’ll take road to rides off your hands.
>>>
>>> Vern in San Francisco
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:30 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 I have both, $50 shipped. 
 If you can find them cheaper (I'll get emails saying this), buy them 
 there! 

 I also have The 3 Bridgestone Catalogues in excellent condition, add 
 $45 for that. I'll get pics of them if interested. 

 Thanks, 
 Joe Bernard
 joeremi62 gmail com

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Diana H]

Ah! Sorry I've got evening plans already.

I'll keep an eye out for future ride events. I just went riding with Rich
this morning who showed me all kinds of cool SF places. :)

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 10:57 AM Stephen Durfee  wrote:

> Ok all, the weekend is approaching, so I'm going to propose the
> following...
>
> Let's start in the Mission, ride out the Wiggle and do a loop through GGP,
> then down OceanBeach/Great Highway to Lake Merced, then back up and through
> the Park and back to the Mission. It's an easy ride - I have to work at
> 10:30, so would ask that we meet at Dandelion Chocolate, at 16th and
> Alabama, depart at 8:00. When we get back, the hot chocolate will be on me.
> sd
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm
>> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel.
>>
>> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for
>> anything up to ~30 miles.
>>
>> Diana
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here
>>> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody
>>> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:

> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay
> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area
> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas!

 I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
 https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
 https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman
 called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.

 The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly
 good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he
 never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went
 under.

 Piaw

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[RBW] Re: My first Rivendell/My first post

[Kim H.]

Congratulations Brian acquiring your first Rivendell bicycle !  Looks 
wonderful.  

What make are those pedals ?  I have never seen such a pair before.

Long may you ride in many smiles in your adventures on your new Rivendell 
Rambouillet !

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA
owner of a Clem Smith Jr. "L" in lime olive.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:55:53 AM UTC-7 brainsa...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All! My name is Anthony and I've been a member of this group for a 
> couple years now, but have never actually posted.
> I just got my first Rivendell and that seemed like a good first post! It's 
> a green Rambouillet and I'm stoked. The first time I ever saw a Riv was in 
> 2007/8 when I bought a saddle off Craigslist and the seller rolled up on an 
> orange Ram. It feels fitting that my first, and maybe only...who knows, 
> Rivendell would be a Rambouillet. While I built it with stuff I had laying 
> around, I took this opportunity to get a Suntour 3 pulley derailleur. Like 
> the Riv, I always wanted one and now I have it! [image: IMG-5532.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Experience with TRP Ultra-Ergo Brake Levers

[Bill Schaefer]

Garth,

I was able to adjust/move the levers with the cables installed. Just need 
to pull the brake lever and stick a long allen wrench in behind the pull 
arm, loosen the nut and then adjust and retighten. Was pretty easy.

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:32:43 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Great timing as I was considering these. Can you adjust/move the levers 
> with the cables installed without having to wedge in the allen tool against 
> the cable(even with tension released), like on the RL340 levers ? I recall 
> with Shimano you can as the internal design is totally different. I'm not 
> impressed with the Tektro. TRP being of the same company I suspect they're 
> the same internal design. 
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Mine are setup like so, with the tops of the levers being pretty much a 
>> continuation of the tops of the bars, and I find that positioning 
>> comfortable, both for cruising along with my hands on the levers and when 
>> braking:
>> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Hash]

Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for a 
minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that ride 
down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:

> Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, Leah 
> and Marc! 
>
> If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting 
> perhaps the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail. 
> I sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue 
> Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer Co 
> ., which has food, beer, and an 
> outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via the 
> North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House of 
> Worship 
> .
>  
> Here's a map of that concept 
> .
>
>
> Jason
> Oak Park, IL
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the 
>> LFT. Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different kind 
>> of ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier 
>> makes sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, so 
>> from an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat 
>> lunch. (Since I've had kids my views on Navy Pier have softened.) Depending 
>> on start time, pace, and number of riders, it might be worthwhile to 
>> consider holding off on lunch until after the midpoint. I don't typically 
>> ride  the LFT on weekends, at least not north of the museums, but I'd be 
>> happy to do it for a Riv ride. Looping around to the Channel Trail is a 
>> good idea, it's far less crowded. Also happy to do Bike the Drive with some 
>> fellow Riv riders - it's Sunday, September 3, though my son and I will be 
>> riding at a 9 year-old's pace.
>>
>> Cody
>> Chicago   
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>
>>> We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to 
>>> suggestions for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround point 
>>> for a 35 mile ride from Mack's.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:37:55 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm sort of in.  There are sections of the Lakefront trail that are 
 great.  I'd recommend avoiding North Avenue to McCormick Place on a 
 Saturday in August.  Also, Navy Pier has little redeeming cultural value 
 and the LFT is a disaster around there despite tens of millions of dollars 
 spent.

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:56:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> I’m open to options other than Navy Pier, but would request some place 
> we can sit down and enjoy food and drinks, in keeping with the tradition 
> of 
> our Riv Rides. If we could sit out on a patio and keep the bikes near, 
> well, that would be the dream.
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Mike Sherman  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Seconding that navy pier will be touristy and packed, but there are a 
> lot of good options near the trail in Lincoln park and uptown (and 
> andersonville, and...)
>
> I'd be happy to convoy up from Hyde Park, and back down if anyone 
> wants to end at the promontory point fire pits and do something picnic 
> style.
>
> -Mike 
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Please take and post photos. I took a very quick trip out to Evanston 
>> not quite 2 months ago for my daughter's graduate at Northwestern, and 
>> we 
>> took a pleasant hike around the lakeside path outskirting the campus. 
>> Rather lovely area.
>>
>> No bike, tho' at first I'd thought of borrowing a Brompton and taking 
>> Amtrak out from Albuquerque.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never 
>>> done it but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>>>
>>> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be 
>>> expecting us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 
>>> 26th, 
>>> visit the shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch 
>>> at 
>>> the Navy Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and 
>>> ride 
>>> for maybe a total of 30-40 miles. 
>>>
>>> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if 
>>> you like, your sparkly personality and join us 

Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Stephen Durfee]

Ok all, the weekend is approaching, so I'm going to propose the
following...

Let's start in the Mission, ride out the Wiggle and do a loop through GGP,
then down OceanBeach/Great Highway to Lake Merced, then back up and through
the Park and back to the Mission. It's an easy ride - I have to work at
10:30, so would ask that we meet at Dandelion Chocolate, at 16th and
Alabama, depart at 8:00. When we get back, the hot chocolate will be on me.
sd


On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 7:13 AM Diana H  wrote:

> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm
> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel.
>
> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for
> anything up to ~30 miles.
>
> Diana
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here
>> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody
>> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>>>
 First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay
 area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area
 recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas!
>>>
>>> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called
>>> Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>>>
>>> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good
>>> and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never
>>> saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.
>>>
>>> Piaw
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Have you tried MKS Seahorse pedals

[lyon...@gmail.com]

Paul! What, no love for the Bubblys?

Adam

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Re: [RBW] Re: tube tear at valve stem base — any ideas why and how to fix?

[Anthony Beauchemin]

Sounds like a problem with the rim or rim tape. I'd replace the tape and 
inspect the valve hole for any burrs or things like that.

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 12:23:36 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> #1: tubes degrade with age. My experience says "no," at least gauging 
> "age" by single decades. Pre-sealant I routinely rode tubes with up to 3 
> dozen patches accumulated over many years and they worked as well as new 
> tubes. If a tube was 50 years old I'd look at it more than quickly and 
> casually, but "old" applied to tubes, IME, is a very generous term.
>
> #2. Skinny tubes in fatter tires. For a while I used 23-25 mm tubes in 42 
> mm tires and they worked well. The skinnies were ultralights, too. "Well" 
> instead of "perfectly" because my use involved sealants and OS regular did 
> not seal as well in a skinny tube against a goathead puncture as well as it 
> does a 40 mm tube, also extralight -- the stretching must make the hole a 
> bit bigger.
>
> But since punctures sans goatheads are, glass-strewn dowtown streets 
> apart, so rare, skinnies in fatters can work well. (I've used 1" tubes in 
> 2" tires and 26" tubes in 29" tires, briefly but successfully.
>
> Back to the initial query: IME, bad manufacturing can be a cause of such 
> splits, but the OP had the problem with several different makes.
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 12:10 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> These type of flats are basically the only flats I've received in the 
>> past decade or so - mostly because I am very particular and adamant about 
>> checking my air pressures before riding. As such, it has caused me to 
>> retain tubes for probably longer than most folks, and I'm assuming that has 
>> in turn led to issues with the tubes degrading there at the base of the 
>> valve stems. That said, it is very odd that you had three such flats in the 
>> same ride... very curious. I'm sorry that happened to you, and hopefully 
>> you can find the source of the issue!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report + Film photos

[lyon...@gmail.com]

Stephen! Will you try again for Analog's October ride? It would be great to 
see another Riv-person there (other than just me and Miggy).

For the 4x4 this year, even Scott (who makes all the 5th Season bags and 
rides across from Central Maine to get to Analog) got picked up in White 
River Junction due to all the smoke, wind, and rain that was in the air 
that weekend...

Adam in Maine

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[RBW] Re: Have you tried MKS Seahorse pedals

[Brendan Aanes]

I have tried them - I was excited about them but ultimately am not a fan.

For reference I'm using a Spank Spoon DC on my nicer bike (Heron Touring) 
and MKS Allways on a travel bike. The Seahorse replaced Sylvan Touring Next 
on my commuter. While the pedal size is an improvement over the Sylvan 
Touring, my complaint is that there is essentially no grip at all. The 
little raised bits at the edge don't really do anything and my feet slid 
off the pedals a few times per ride. This in a variety of sneakers, boots, 
and sandals. Even the Sylvan Touring has much better grip by comparison, 
and the Allways is a better pedal in every way.

Too bad because the Seahorse seemed promising as a nice looking, 
affordable, and reasonably sized pedal, but the lack of grip doesn't work 
for me. Maybe would work for someone with different shoes or riding style.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:33:45 PM UTC-4 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'm also very curious, especially as it may compare to the Lambda.
>
> TIA!
> Nick in Falls Church VA
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> If anyone has ridden the MKS Seahorse 
>>  pedals and has strong 
>> opinions about them, I'd love to hear--especially if you hated them, for 
>> some reason.  Sylvan Touring is my favorite pedal I've yet tried, but I've 
>> also been very happy with Allways and Gammas.  
>>
>> thanks for any feedback
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Reports (PNW and France)

[Bill Schaefer]

Kyle - Enjoyed the write ups. Keep 'em coming!

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:32:20 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:

> Kyle, 
>
> Good looking site. Thanks for sharing 
>
> Dustin
>
> On Aug 4, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Kyle Cotchett  wrote:
>
> Hey all!
>
>
> I've been messing around with writing some ride reports on my website 
> . For the 
> most part, they are around the Pacific Northwest. My girlfriend and I are 
> taking significant time off work and moved to Paris for summer/fall. We 
> brought our bikes with us, and I'll be continuing to write up some rides 
> here in France! I thought I'd share them here with ya'll to enjoy! Thanks 
> for reading!
>
> -Kyle
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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Stephen Durfee]

Ok all, the weekend is approaching, so I'm going to propose the 
following... 

Let's start in the Mission, ride out the Wiggle and do a loop through GGP, 
then down OceanBeach/Great Highway to Lake Merced, then back up and through 
the Park and back to the Mission. It's an easy ride - I have to work at 
10:30, so would ask that we meet at Dandelion Chocolate, at 16th and 
Alabama, depart at 8:00. When we get back, the hot chocolate will be on me. 
sd
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 
>
> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
> anything up to ~30 miles.
>
> Diana
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
>> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
>> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>>>
 First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
 area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
 recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>>>
>>> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called 
>>> Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>>>
>>> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good 
>>> and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never 
>>> saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.
>>>
>>> Piaw
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Stephen Durfee]

Diane, do you want to join me on the ride thru GGP (posted above)?Be an Ac✝️ion heroOn Aug 4, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Diana H  wrote:No worries. If somebody else decides a 10-15 mile ride I'll join for that. Just post a time and place!On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:Ooh! I love Three Bears! Unfortunately I am still recovering/getting back into shape. I like the idea of stopping along the way for food and drinks. Luke, where was the ride you had planned?On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Dan Bluestein  wrote:I haven't ridden 3 Bears in a while -- if only I wasn't away this weekend. Next time, though!--dan (Oakland)On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:03:23 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? - https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for anything up to ~30 miles.DianaOn Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.Piaw-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e0473675-b344-4733-bb79-2e0a5249e7fcn%40googlegroups.com.



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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Ted W]

So, I’m just going to say it. This is the reason I ditched 26” for mixed
surface riding. I was having trouble finding tires that I liked (but he SK+
wasn’t available in 26” at the time). They were all really geared towards
knobby MTB applications and not hard pack / pavement mixed riding.

That said, Vittoria Mezcals are available in 26x2.1, ETRTO 52-559 (52mm).
They might work for you. I ran them for a while on my Gus Boots when I
first built it and they were quite nice. I was running 29x2.6” which was
overkill for my use case, but they were very comfortable. They make a bit
more road noise than the SKs you have now but they still roll well on
pavement.

The Humptulips are a solid choice as well. A friend of mine runs a similar
RH tire in their 27.5 variety (the name escapes me) and he loves them.

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:12 PM Bob  wrote:

> Ted,
>
> Yes, I measure the angles at 73° for both seat and head tubes. Mind you,
> this is with my phone, but the feel of the riding position is akin to
> another bike that I know to be 73°/73°.
>
> This bike is closer to the AR specified in the RBW 1996 catalog (pp.
> 11–12) than to the AR in the first-generation geometry chart given in
> catalog no. 5 (summer 1999). But all photos of ARs I've seen have have
> double eyelets on the fork dropouts; mine has only fender eyelets on the
> back of the fork dropouts.
>
> --
> Bob
>
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:40:50 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:39:24 PM UTC-5 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an
>> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it
>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an
>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but
>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>>
>> Super short fork rake suggests Riv ATB, and it looks like the BB drop is
>> pretty shallow, too. But not as much top tube angle as I'd expect for an
>> ATB.  Head lugs match what were on my Riv ATB, built at Waterford around
>> '96 or so. Also, my ATB had vertical dropouts, where this one has short
>> horizontals.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

[Will M]

Drew, I was able to check out a Kombi. It does have the braze on for a 
front derailleur cable stop, as well as cable guides for the cable route 
down the down tube. A conversion to a double or triple crank is doable!

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:55:03 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> recently put together a mundo for a friend with a triple and there's 
> nothing weird about the seat tube. took a regular FD without any shims, 
> etc. cant imagine a kombi is much different?
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 2:19:26 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:
>
>> Yeah it's definitely between the Kombi and Short haul now. Leaning Kombi, 
>> but finding anywhere that stocks these for a test ride is proving 
>> impossible in los angeles. Looks like the Kombi is out of stock now as 
>> well. 
>>
>> Will M, did your Yuba come with a double up front? The Kombi is a 1x and 
>> I dont know how easy it would be to route a cable and put a derailer on it 
>> with all those weird tubing sizes and shapes. Could always just have 
>> another chainring on as a manual bail out, I guess. 
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:54:56 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> Drew,
>>>
>>> I faced the same dilemma a few years back.  An Atlantis + 
>>> Rich-Lesnick-built 36-spoke rear wheel (and child carrier) were easily 
>>> rated for my 40-lb 5 y.o., (also w/ sensory issues) but I found the weight 
>>> that high up (on top o' 700c wheel) made the stability unsafe.  Really 
>>> unsafe.  
>>>
>>> If the "footprint" is a constraint you'd consider relaxing, the 
>>> discontinued Yuba Sweet Curry is the one to get.  Checks all your other 
>>> boxes. Analog, capacity for rider plus 300 lbs (250-lbs in back and 50-lbs 
>>> in front basket).  Twenty-inch rear wheel keeps the kids low and they can 
>>> wiggle all they want (4 year old + 8 year old = 110 lbs + backpacks). 
>>>  Frame-mounted front-basket with 50-lb capacity has little effect on 
>>> handling (try putting 50-lbs in my Wald 139 basket on the front of the 
>>> Atlantis!  Not.)  Handles like my old BMW motorcycle.
>>>
>>> Alas, the Sweet Curry is discontinued, and the Yuba Kombi (with 24" 
>>> wheels) is the analog option now.  Slightly shorter wheelbase and lower 
>>> weight capacity of the Sweet Curry, but with the monkey bars in back, your 
>>> son will not outgrow it for years.  Yuba website shows a nice way to hang 
>>> 'em vertically in small apartments. :-)
>>>
>>> Tip: The Analog Yubas are sped'ed with gearing that's too tall.  I 
>>> swapped the front crank with the RBW/Silver 24x38.  The ratios are perfect 
>>> with the 11x32 rear cassette.  And the 178mm (!) crank arms definitely help 
>>> when starting up at traffic lights with 110-lbs of kids.
>>>
>>> Seems space is a hard constraint for you.  It is me too (NYC apartment), 
>>> so the Yuba lives on the street year-round.  I simply know of no other bike 
>>> that will be as good for a 5-y.o. (and then 6 and then 7 and then...)I 
>>> take mine to my LBS twice a year for maintenance.  Since 2017, I've worn 
>>> out 1 rear hub, 2 bottom brackets, 5 chains, 2 complete sets of disc brake 
>>> pads, 1 rear derailer, and 1 broken derailer hanger.  And folks have stolen 
>>> the saddle and post and cushions.  Oh well.  Bright lights, big city and 
>>> all. 
>>>
>>> Wow, that Globe Haul is a neat option too.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Will
>>> NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:17:41 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Why not electric?  My kids are nearing college age and I'm looking 
 forward to replacing a car with an e-cargo bike.  I have no specific 
 recommendations for you, but to me, you get more general utility with a 
 motor.

 Will

 On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:10:41 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:

> Drew,
>
> The Yuba Kombi probably will make more sense in the long term because 
> it's, like, a mid-tail cargo bike and when your kid is riding on their 
> own 
> it's still useful as a cargo hauler. Also can best serve as both kid and 
> cargo interchangeably, during transition period when you want your kid to 
> be able to hop onto padded bench seat sometimes, but not so much that 
> you're going to keep a full child seat installed.
>
> Smaller wheels do make carrying a kid feel better. I went from riding 
> with a kid in a Thule rear rackmount seat on an old 26" Rockhopper and 
> then 
> got an Orbea Katu with 20" wheels and the latter rode much nicer with the 
> top-heavy load. Even for me but especially for my wife, who isn't so 
> confident on a bike, even without a load. 
>
> Orbea unfortunately doesn't sell the Katu in the USA any more. It's a 
> great family bike for sub-"cargo" use but is closer to a mid-tail cargo 
> bike (with 20" wheels) than most minivelos, with pretty long 
> chainstays/wheelbase. Also with geo designed for more upright riding and 
> flexible range of rider 

Re: [RBW] Re: Unexpected wear on 42 t Sugino chainring: normal or poor cleaning & lube regimen? Ditto, Phil crank bearings.

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, it may well be that this ring is made from softer aluminum than the
others -- Sugino as well as other brands -- I've used. As for Phil bb
bearings, I've had good luck, but I would have tried a SKF if they came
with 130 mm spindles. Apparently the cheap Stronglight JP400 ($28, plastic
cups, but should fit Phil and Shimano cups) have good bearings and it comes
in a 131; might buy one of those in addition to the refurbishment of the
Phil bb.

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:59 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> Chainrings have varied for me by price. Cheaper stamped (softer) aluminum
> ones seem like they have the hardness and wear of a Hershey product.  I've
> been amazed by the durability of the harder alloy TA rings since I got my
> Rambouillet built with Zephyr cranks with them. I  have only changed rings
> for tooth count necessity when going from triple to wide double. Same for
> the Phil Wood BB, I switched to an SKF when doing the triple-wide double
> conversion because having built a commuter with a PW based on my good
> results with the Ram's PW BB that only lasted one winter. For comparable
> money I chose the SKF with lots of seals. Ten years on both the SKF and TA
> 46-34 rings. Three years so far on my Coast rando RH 46-30 rings and SKF BB
> without signs of wear. I sold the commuter a couple years ago with the
> UN-51 BB I tossed in to replace the PW while I got the bearings serviced.
> It kept on surviving through the rains and winters with its simple rubber
> grommet "seals" and the PW's send away repair became a very back burner
> task.
>
> I have a low threshold for replacing chains and but follow your current
> maintenance process mostly using ProLink Gold. I refuse to let a chain be
> dear to me if it wears, too many nice parts (chainrings) to waste if they
> go too far.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:39:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was surprised to see the degree of hooking on this 42 t Sugino ring
>> when I went to replace it t'other day for a 44. It has about 3800 miles on
>> it, no more than half ridden on ditchbank roads and trails with very fine,
>> river-silt sand. I've used Sugino rings for years, on pavement and on the
>> same ditchbank routes, tho' usually 46 t or bigger, and I don't think I've
>> seen wear this fast.
>>
>> The installed-new Phil bb bearing assembly with the same miles also was
>> dry and rough; not notchy but certainly not greasy-smooth. I've used Phil
>> crank bearings for years, pavement and similar pavement/dirt use, and get
>> at least 2X the miles.
>>
>> Questions for you other sand riders:
>>
>> 1. What mileage do you expect from a smallish chainring, and ditto for a
>> good quality crank bearing assembly? In what riding conditions?
>>
>> 1 bis: What mileage do you expect from Phil bb bearings? In ditto?
>>
>> 2. How often do you clean your drivetrain and lube your chains? And:
>>
>> 3. Describe your drivetrain and chain maintenance regimen.
>>
>> No more than halfway thru said 3.8K miles I switched to mane-at-Analog's
>> chain maintenance method: wipe thoroughly, lube sparingly with dry lube
>> (ProLink, Purple somethingwhatever, etc) wipe, let dry, wipe again very
>> thoroughly).
>>
>> Until perhaps 1.5 or 2K into this drivetrain I'd been using Molten Speed
>> Wax in a crockpot, and I used paraffin and crockpots for my earlier
>> Sugino-ring drivetrains. Waxed chains don't collect dust.
>>
>> >>> Might the accelerated ring wear be due to a poorer lube method?
>>
>> OTOH, what accounts for such rapid Phil bb bearing wear?
>>
>> Please excuse the typical bad photos. I do try hard and several times but
>> to no avail.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Older Sackville Shopsack with brass cilps

[dylan green]

I realize I wasn't super specific. Olive green large shopsack
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-7 dylan green wrote:

> Odd one here. Looking for an older sackville with the brass clips. 
> Functionally not the best thing - but I had one that was recently 
> stolen and would love to get that version...
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[RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Bob]

Ted,

Yes, I measure the angles at 73° for both seat and head tubes. Mind you, 
this is with my phone, but the feel of the riding position is akin to 
another bike that I know to be 73°/73°.

This bike is closer to the AR specified in the RBW 1996 catalog (pp. 11–12) 
than to the AR in the first-generation geometry chart given in catalog no. 
5 (summer 1999). But all photos of ARs I've seen have have double eyelets 
on the fork dropouts; mine has only fender eyelets on the back of the fork 
dropouts.

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On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:40:50 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:39:24 PM UTC-5 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>
> Super short fork rake suggests Riv ATB, and it looks like the BB drop is 
> pretty shallow, too. But not as much top tube angle as I'd expect for an 
> ATB.  Head lugs match what were on my Riv ATB, built at Waterford around 
> '96 or so. Also, my ATB had vertical dropouts, where this one has short 
> horizontals.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>

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[RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Ted Durant]

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 4:39:24 PM UTC-5 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.

Super short fork rake suggests Riv ATB, and it looks like the BB drop is 
pretty shallow, too. But not as much top tube angle as I'd expect for an 
ATB.  Head lugs match what were on my Riv ATB, built at Waterford around 
'96 or so. Also, my ATB had vertical dropouts, where this one has short 
horizontals.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Rivendell Bicycle Works catalogs for sale on GRINGINEER

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for sharing, Kim. 

In case anyone's interested, those are the first three catalogs, there is 
not a catalog labelled "No. 2," (apparently one of Grant's jokes). 

The price is reasonable, those early ones are hard to find. They look like 
they're in pretty good shape! 

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> These is currently up for sale three different vintage Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works catalogs on the Gringineer website:
>
>
> https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-summer-1996-catalogue.html
> https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-catalogue-no-4.html
> https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-catalogue-no-3.html
>
> I have no interest in buying them. Maybe someone else would be interested.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas tubeless?

[Ted W]

I can only speak antidotally about the tubeless rims but I do have
experience with the Cliffhanger rims and fender clearance.

You’re correct about the rim width. For reference, I have 29x2.22 SimWorks
Super Yummy tires, run tubeless, w/ Cliffhanger wheels on my Appaloosa.
They should measure around 55mm if they were true to size but I measure
mine at about 60mm. So, I’d suggest adding about 5mm to the advertised tire
size and start there when deciding if a tire combo on Cliffhangers will fit
a given frame.

Now, with the other question. I’ve personally never done run non-tubeless
tires as tubeless but I know people who have and have had no issues. My
understanding from talking to them is that you need the tubeless rim tape
to seal the spokes and you need tires that can seat their bead properly,
and tightly, on the wheel. The latter is where the main difference is,
unless you’re talking hooked vs. hookless beads, between wheels rated for
tubeless and those not. You’ll usually have more of a lip near the rim edge
(think inside the wheel, the space between the rim tape and the braking
surface) that the tire with pop up on to and seal against. If the tire
doesn’t have enough of a lip there, the bead won’t seat well. I’ve heard of
people who’ve used duct-tape to build the inside of the rim up, but I’m not
sure I’d trust that… but it works for them.

Ted

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:39 AM jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
jeffbogdanov...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jay, I'm looking for an Atlas wheelset if you decide to sell. PM sent.
>
> On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 23:56:53 UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> My Big Bens are nearing end of life and I’m curious about setting up my
>> Hunq tubeless. But I have Atlas rims, which Velocity says is a no-go.
>> However if you scroll through the comments on this article, John Watson
>> from the Radavist says they set up nicely:
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/
>>
>> So why would I want to do this? Mostly to get experience working with
>> tubeless setups. My full-squish MTB and gravel/bikepacking rig are
>> tubeless, and if/when I encounter issues with either of them (esp. if I’m
>> in a remote locale) I’d like to have some hands-on knowledge with
>> troubleshooting tubeless systems. I already have an air compressor, so
>> basically for the cost of some tape and sealant I’d be good to go.
>>
>> Anybody have experience with making non-tubeless rims play nicely
>> tubeless? Tips or tricks to share? Or is it just a bad idea, and should I
>> resign myself to getting some new wheels built with Cliffhangers? I’d hate
>> to have the Hunq out of commission that long, but if I timed it to coincide
>> with out-of-town travel it probably wouldn’t be that big a deal.
>>
>> One last question — Cliffhangers are wider than Atlases by about 4.6 mm.
>> How would that affect fender clearance? My intuition is that wider rims
>> should result in a flatter tire arc, and potentially make it possible to go
>> slightly wider if I wanted to. I have 50s now, and would like to be able to
>> move up to 55s or even 60s.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Johnny Alien]

The Roadini frames were in stock long enough to tempt me into getting one. 
Dark gold one coming my way.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:49:40 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Garth, FWIW I really like those VO Grand Cru calipers. I replaced a set of 
> Record 80's calipers/brake levers with Grand Crus and the TRP levers 
> someone posted about recently and it's a combo I've been really happy 
> with.If it matters, a number of years ago in *Bicycle Quarterly* Jan 
> Heine did an extensive and favorable review of this brakeset ...not sure if 
> it's available online or not. But to my mind they really work 
> well...although I admit I don't live in the mountains. They're good-looking 
> brakes as well.$175 per set does not seem unreasonable
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:18:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
>> particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
>> think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
>> I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
>> besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
>> 80's. 
>>
>> The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the 
>> rider is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a 
>> steeper seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer 
>> font end. Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher 
>> BB, all of which suits me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:
>>
>> Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:
>>
>> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are 
>> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike 
>> heaven, Yippee ! 
>>
>> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
>> love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
>> all in on going back to pure road bikes. 
>>
>> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Atlas tubeless?

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Hi Jay, I'm looking for an Atlas wheelset if you decide to sell. PM sent.

On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 23:56:53 UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> My Big Bens are nearing end of life and I’m curious about setting up my 
> Hunq tubeless. But I have Atlas rims, which Velocity says is a no-go. 
> However if you scroll through the comments on this article, John Watson 
> from the Radavist says they set up nicely:
>
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/
>
> So why would I want to do this? Mostly to get experience working with 
> tubeless setups. My full-squish MTB and gravel/bikepacking rig are 
> tubeless, and if/when I encounter issues with either of them (esp. if I’m 
> in a remote locale) I’d like to have some hands-on knowledge with 
> troubleshooting tubeless systems. I already have an air compressor, so 
> basically for the cost of some tape and sealant I’d be good to go.
>
> Anybody have experience with making non-tubeless rims play nicely 
> tubeless? Tips or tricks to share? Or is it just a bad idea, and should I 
> resign myself to getting some new wheels built with Cliffhangers? I’d hate 
> to have the Hunq out of commission that long, but if I timed it to coincide 
> with out-of-town travel it probably wouldn’t be that big a deal.
>
> One last question — Cliffhangers are wider than Atlases by about 4.6 mm. 
> How would that affect fender clearance? My intuition is that wider rims 
> should result in a flatter tire arc, and potentially make it possible to go 
> slightly wider if I wanted to. I have 50s now, and would like to be able to 
> move up to 55s or even 60s.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Ryan]

Garth, FWIW I really like those VO Grand Cru calipers. I replaced a set of 
Record 80's calipers/brake levers with Grand Crus and the TRP levers 
someone posted about recently and it's a combo I've been really happy 
with.If it matters, a number of years ago in *Bicycle Quarterly* Jan Heine 
did an extensive and favorable review of this brakeset ...not sure if it's 
available online or not. But to my mind they really work well...although I 
admit I don't live in the mountains. They're good-looking brakes as 
well.$175 per set does not seem unreasonable

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:18:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>
> I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
> particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
> think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
> I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
> besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
> 80's. 
>
> The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the rider 
> is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a steeper 
> seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer font end. 
> Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher BB, all of 
> which suits me. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:
>
> Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:
>
> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are 
> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike 
> heaven, Yippee ! 
>
> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
> love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
> all in on going back to pure road bikes. 
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Reports (PNW and France)

[Kyle Cotchett]

You're not alone out there with highway riding. Conversely, last summer my
friends and I did an overnighter and began talking to a fellow bicycle
camper. He was from Germany and riding from Seattle to Montreal. When we
asked him what route he took to get to the campsite, he told us he'd been
riding on the shoulder of the I-5 haha. Thanks for sharing your blog, I'll
have to take a look!


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:01 PM Piaw Na  wrote:

> When I lived in Munich I'd go for rides every weekend and it was always so
> good. Having a train to take you home meant you could range further and get
> into bigger trouble. One day I rode through a forest and climbed a ladder
> onto what was obviously a road. I rode on it and everyone honked at me. I
> said to myself: "These Germans are really friendly." 10km later I realized
> I was on the autobahn. (I actually kept track of those trips:
> https://blog.piaw.net/2008/12/munich-trips-index.html)
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:09:14 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I've been messing around with writing some ride reports on my website
>> . For the
>> most part, they are around the Pacific Northwest. My girlfriend and I are
>> taking significant time off work and moved to Paris for summer/fall. We
>> brought our bikes with us, and I'll be continuing to write up some rides
>> here in France! I thought I'd share them here with ya'll to enjoy! Thanks
>> for reading!
>>
>> -Kyle
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Garth]

I have no idea where the frames are being made or any of the other 
particulars beyond what was printed by VO. Taiwan is likely of course as I 
think that's where they have the majority of the business relationships. 
I'm eager to try their Grand Cru calipers too. I've never used any caliper 
besides a Suntour somethingoranother in the 70's and Campy Record of the 
80's. 

The main difference with the VO and the Riv models is one of how the rider 
is positioned over the BB. The VO is much more body forward, with a steeper 
seat tube angle(73.5 vs. 72), and notably more reach and longer font end. 
Also more fork rake, less trail, around 51 think, and a higher BB, all of 
which suits me. 



On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-4 jrst wrote:

Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy 

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:

I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are discounted 
20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike heaven, 
Yippee ! 

I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
all in on going back to pure road bikes. 

https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset


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[RBW] Re: tube tear at valve stem base — any ideas why and how to fix?

[Garth]

I suspect the metal at the valve hole also. I've never had such an issue as 
the Mavic rims I've been riding for the last 23 years came with plastic 
stem hole grommets so they could be used with either type of valve. Presta 
valve stems fit in very snugly, no play. Thus, enlarging the hole to 
Schrader and using the plastic grommets is always an option. The plastic 
grommets are slotted also, allowing them to expand as the presta valve must 
literally be pressed in, that's how good of a fit they are, as least the 
ones Mavic uses. 

If you try to deburr the presta hole first, a rotary tool at low speed with 
a tapered sanding bit ought to work well, as well as countersinking drill 
bits. Like these from HF 
! 
https://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/drill-driver-bits/woodboring-bits/countersink/countersink-and-deburring-tool-set-3-piece-61629.html

 I think even if I did that I'd still do the suggest double stem nut idea 
to hold it in place. 

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[RBW] Re: Unexpected wear on 42 t Sugino chainring: normal or poor cleaning & lube regimen? Ditto, Phil crank bearings.

[ascpgh]

Chainrings have varied for me by price. Cheaper stamped (softer) aluminum 
ones seem like they have the hardness and wear of a Hershey product.  I've 
been amazed by the durability of the harder alloy TA rings since I got my 
Rambouillet built with Zephyr cranks with them. I  have only changed rings 
for tooth count necessity when going from triple to wide double. Same for 
the Phil Wood BB, I switched to an SKF when doing the triple-wide double 
conversion because having built a commuter with a PW based on my good 
results with the Ram's PW BB that only lasted one winter. For comparable 
money I chose the SKF with lots of seals. Ten years on both the SKF and TA 
46-34 rings. Three years so far on my Coast rando RH 46-30 rings and SKF BB 
without signs of wear. I sold the commuter a couple years ago with the 
UN-51 BB I tossed in to replace the PW while I got the bearings serviced. 
It kept on surviving through the rains and winters with its simple rubber 
grommet "seals" and the PW's send away repair became a very back burner 
task. 

I have a low threshold for replacing chains and but follow your current 
maintenance process mostly using ProLink Gold. I refuse to let a chain be 
dear to me if it wears, too many nice parts (chainrings) to waste if they 
go too far. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:39:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I was surprised to see the degree of hooking on this 42 t Sugino ring when 
> I went to replace it t'other day for a 44. It has about 3800 miles on it, 
> no more than half ridden on ditchbank roads and trails with very fine, 
> river-silt sand. I've used Sugino rings for years, on pavement and on the 
> same ditchbank routes, tho' usually 46 t or bigger, and I don't think I've 
> seen wear this fast.
>
> The installed-new Phil bb bearing assembly with the same miles also was 
> dry and rough; not notchy but certainly not greasy-smooth. I've used Phil 
> crank bearings for years, pavement and similar pavement/dirt use, and get 
> at least 2X the miles.
>
> Questions for you other sand riders: 
>
> 1. What mileage do you expect from a smallish chainring, and ditto for a 
> good quality crank bearing assembly? In what riding conditions?
>
> 1 bis: What mileage do you expect from Phil bb bearings? In ditto?
>
> 2. How often do you clean your drivetrain and lube your chains? And:
>
> 3. Describe your drivetrain and chain maintenance regimen.
>
> No more than halfway thru said 3.8K miles I switched to mane-at-Analog's 
> chain maintenance method: wipe thoroughly, lube sparingly with dry lube 
> (ProLink, Purple somethingwhatever, etc) wipe, let dry, wipe again very 
> thoroughly).
>
> Until perhaps 1.5 or 2K into this drivetrain I'd been using Molten Speed 
> Wax in a crockpot, and I used paraffin and crockpots for my earlier 
> Sugino-ring drivetrains. Waxed chains don't collect dust.
>
> >>> Might the accelerated ring wear be due to a poorer lube method?
>
> OTOH, what accounts for such rapid Phil bb bearing wear?
>
> Please excuse the typical bad photos. I do try hard and several times but 
> to no avail.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

Matthew – this was the route 

 
I’d initially suggested :)

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:28:10 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> No worries. If somebody else decides a 10-15 mile ride I'll join for that. 
> Just post a time and place!
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Ooh! I love Three Bears! Unfortunately I am still recovering/getting back 
>> into shape. 
>>
>> I like the idea of stopping along the way for food and drinks. Luke, 
>> where was the ride you had planned?
>>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Dan Bluestein  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't ridden 3 Bears in a while -- if only I wasn't away this 
>> weekend. Next time, though!
>> --dan (Oakland)
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:03:23 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? - 
>>> https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ 
>>>
>>> Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:
>>>
 I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
 riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 

 Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
 anything up to ~30 miles.

 Diana
 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if 
> anybody 
> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>>
>>> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the 
>>> Bay area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay 
>>> area 
>>> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>>
>> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
>> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
>> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman 
>> called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>>
>> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly 
>> good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he 
>> never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company 
>> went 
>> under.
>>
>> Piaw
>>
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