Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[ascpgh]

The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
perspective: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ

Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
.

Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh




On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream it 
> to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as well 
> but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
>> frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Ryan,
>> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the 
>> setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This 
>> bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 
>> 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
>> for that lovely bike.just saying
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> AND After…
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>>> image5.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>>
>>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
>>> Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
>>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
>>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
>>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
>>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
>>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>>
>>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
>>> the unvarnished truth. 
>>>
>>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
>>> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
>>> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
>>> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
>>> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
>>> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>>>
>>> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
>>> wholly appointed to its duty.
>>>
>>> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
>>> to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…
>>>
>>> Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Stephen]

I’ll be there on the appa!

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Some day…
> Have fun!
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>>
>>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this 
 year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.

 Cheers-

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Justin Kennedy]

Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> I’ll be there on the appa!
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Some day…
>> Have fun!
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 MEEE - but you knew that :)

 Patch in Brooklyn

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this 
> year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.
>
> Cheers-
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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Stephen]

Yep that was me!

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

>
> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Some day…
>>> Have fun!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>
> Patch in Brooklyn
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this 
>> year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.
>>
>> Cheers-
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/riv stuff

[Stephen]

Sale Pending on the Pedals and the Stem!

No interest in the handlebars or kickstand yet

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:30:37 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Cannot believe that FacePlater has not been snapped up. Best stem ever @ a 
> great price & getting very hard to find. Did you post pics? That always 
> seems to help.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 13, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>
> Throwing out a bump, I've had no interest on anything, maybe its the 
> wrong time of year to sell parts? I'm open to offers.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Got a few items I'm not using and don't see myself needing anymore. 
>> Hopefully some of yall could use this stuff.
>>
>> Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, i 
>> love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)
>>
>> Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but has 
>> a few tape spots) 
>>
>> Nitto Fillet Faceplater 135mm 225 quill - $120 + shipping (basically new, 
>> i dry installed on a build once and otherwise its been sitting, never 
>> ridden)
>>
>> MKS Bear traps black/silver - $30 bucks + shipping, (or less make me an 
>> offer, these didnt get nibbled the last time i posted.. seriously if you're 
>> at all interested shoot me a message) (a little dirty, but only lived on a 
>> bike for a month or two)
>>
>> Pletscher Single leg kickstand - $10 + shipping (used for a month or two, 
>> feel like a two leg would work better for my appaloosa)
>>
>> I'm located in NYC, if you're nearby we can maybe arrange local handoff.
>>
>> thanks for looking,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Ryan]

but I certainly understand Leah's reluctance to entrust this job to her 
local bikeshops


On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:28:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
> perspective: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>
> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
> 
> .
>
> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
>>> frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Ryan,
>>> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the 
>>> setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This 
>>> bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 
>>> 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
>>> for that lovely bike.just saying
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 [image: image6.jpeg]


 AND After…
 [image: image1.jpeg]

 [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
 image5.jpeg]


 On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
 thread.


 Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
 Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
 occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
 Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
 I 
 was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
 out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
 Platypus, 
 slapped them on and sent her a photo. 

 “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
 me the unvarnished truth. 

 I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
 found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
 didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
 chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
 in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
 throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
 abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
 elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
 texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 

 This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
 wholly appointed to its duty.

 Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
 to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…

 Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Ted W]

One of these years I’ll get up there. Probably once my son can join me.
He’s still doesn’t tolerate the kid seat for more than about 5 miles at a
time.

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 9:56 AM Stephen  wrote:

> Yep that was me!
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago??
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Some day…
 Have fun!
 -Kai

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>
>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this
>>> year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.
>>>
>>> Cheers-
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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Will Boericke]

It's not surprising to me that Pauls would be better than the 720s.  I know 
they (Tektro 720s) have a dedicated following; I can't understand why.  In 
my experience, they were mediocre stoppers, replaced quickly by Shimano 
CX70s and then by mini-Vs.  

I just replaced some budget Shimano cantis on my commuter with Velo Orange 
Zeste brakes and they're amazing.  For the $70 I paid, miraculous even.  
Hard to imagine that Pauls would be better.

Will

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:03:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I swapped Tektro C 720s for Paul cantis, Touring in the rear, Neo Retro in 
> front, after I experienced severe squeal and judder in the front with the 
> Tektros. The bike in question is a 58 cm c-c built for 26"/559 mm bsd 
> wheels, so the steerer is hugely long.
>
> I got the Tektros to work sufficiently well by toeing them in at an absurd 
> angle, but the Pauls (using the same salmon pads) stop a wee bit better, 
> with normal toe in, and judder in front is reduced to a fugitive whisper. 
> And of course the Pauls are so easy to set up.
>
> Are the Pauls worth 5X the Tektros? IMO, the Tektros look better -- more 
> svelte, more shiny, at least when you remove the logo (tho' the careful 
> engineering and quality materials of the Pauls have their own aesthetic 
> merits) -- and are lighter (for what *that's* worth, but Bill would 
> approve) and in most situations I'd choose the Tektros over the Pauls 
> simply for looks and function, leaving aside price.
>
> But for a situation like mine, where the more precise machining eliminates 
> squeal and minimizes judder, I willingly paid 500% more for Pauls.
>
> Note that I found both with Tektros and Pauls that I had to use them for ~ 
> 1K miles before the pads bedded in and I got maximum braking.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Aleksandr Usherenko]

I'll be there, riding my Atlantis!

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023, 12:34 PM Ted W  wrote:

> One of these years I’ll get up there. Probably once my son can join me.
> He’s still doesn’t tolerate the kid seat for more than about 5 miles at a
> time.
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 9:56 AM Stephen  wrote:
>
>> Yep that was me!
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago??
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 I’ll be there on the appa!

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
 wrote:

> Some day…
> Have fun!
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>>
>>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this
 year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.

 Cheers-

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Toyo Atlantis Build Thread

[Brian Turner]

Looks great, Brendan! What size? 53? 54.5?On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Brendan Willard in SF  wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:07 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:I purchased this low miles Toyo Atlantis from a fellow who had it built up with a bunch of 9 speed era fast roadie parts.  The bike arrived with a dent in the top tube, so I got a quote from Rick at D&D, contacted Bike Flights and they had insurance cut a check.The bike went to Rick and I decided on the Hunq green as I've never been a big fan of the original Atlantis color.  The paint it beautiful, a bit more sparkly green apple than I expected but it's growing on me.  It's a good match for my green and white Vans, bike lane paint, green waste bins, and Lime scooters (see the latest Riv email).I had some mismatched Paul levers, a nice SKF BB, some Salsa Rasta skewers, a Clem wheelset, and some other odds and ends.  Bought a Clipper crankset, a Sycip Singles Bar, some Thumbies, XT V-Brakes, etc.I don't usually get down with blingy anodized stuff, but I'm really in love with the Rasta skewers and red of the SKF against the green frame.  Should I order those anodized Wolftooth bolts?? HmmmAnyhooo.  Here it is in front of my wife's N+1 pillow collection and around SF.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Toyo Atlantis Build Thread

[Brendan Willard]

58!Thanks,-Brendan WillardOwner/WinemakerPhantômé Cellarsphantomecellars.com Speaking in Thumbs 👍On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:16 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Looks great, Brendan! What size? 53? 54.5?On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Brendan Willard in SF  wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:07 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:I purchased this low miles Toyo Atlantis from a fellow who had it built up with a bunch of 9 speed era fast roadie parts.  The bike arrived with a dent in the top tube, so I got a quote from Rick at D&D, contacted Bike Flights and they had insurance cut a check.The bike went to Rick and I decided on the Hunq green as I've never been a big fan of the original Atlantis color.  The paint it beautiful, a bit more sparkly green apple than I expected but it's growing on me.  It's a good match for my green and white Vans, bike lane paint, green waste bins, and Lime scooters (see the latest Riv email).I had some mismatched Paul levers, a nice SKF BB, some Salsa Rasta skewers, a Clem wheelset, and some other odds and ends.  Bought a Clipper crankset, a Sycip Singles Bar, some Thumbies, XT V-Brakes, etc.I don't usually get down with blingy anodized stuff, but I'm really in love with the Rasta skewers and red of the SKF against the green frame.  Should I order those anodized Wolftooth bolts?? HmmmAnyhooo.  Here it is in front of my wife's N+1 pillow collection and around SF.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Patrick Moore]

IME the problem with the Tektros wasn't the stopping power but the sloppy
pivots. They stopped about as well as the Pauls but they squealed and
juddered. The Pauls are machined much more precisely and don't squeal at
all or judder as much.

On my bike, the Pauls are no worse than any other cantilever I've used but
their braking power is hardly beyond ordinary; the high end forged single
pivot on my gofast road fixed gear gives more retardation per amount of
hand squeeze than the Touring on the front of my errand road bike or the
Neo Retro in back. Ditto for any number of single pivots, dual pivots,
centerpulls, not to mention disks and V brakes.

I wish I'd known about the Zests before I bought Pauls. Perhaps they would
have been more powerful.

Still, the Pauls are beautifully made, so very easy to set up, and
perfectly functional, tho' I think they are more industrial looking that
elegant. Overall, taking all with all, I'm not unhappy.

BUT! I will be very interested to hear others' comparison of the Zests with
Pauls; or of other cantilevers wtih Pauls.

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 12:21 PM Will Boericke  wrote:

> It's not surprising to me that Pauls would be better than the 720s.  I
> know they (Tektro 720s) have a dedicated following; I can't understand
> why.  In my experience, they were mediocre stoppers, replaced quickly by
> Shimano CX70s and then by mini-Vs.
>
> I just replaced some budget Shimano cantis on my commuter with Velo Orange
> Zeste brakes and they're amazing.  For the $70 I paid, miraculous even.
> Hard to imagine that Pauls would be better.
>
> Will
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:03:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I swapped Tektro C 720s for Paul cantis, Touring in the rear, Neo Retro
>> in front, after I experienced severe squeal and judder in the front with
>> the Tektros. The bike in question is a 58 cm c-c built for 26"/559 mm bsd
>> wheels, so the steerer is hugely long.
>>
>> I got the Tektros to work sufficiently well by toeing them in at an
>> absurd angle, but the Pauls (using the same salmon pads) stop a wee bit
>> better, with normal toe in, and judder in front is reduced to a fugitive
>> whisper. And of course the Pauls are so easy to set up.
>>
>> Are the Pauls worth 5X the Tektros? IMO, the Tektros look better -- more
>> svelte, more shiny, at least when you remove the logo (tho' the careful
>> engineering and quality materials of the Pauls have their own aesthetic
>> merits) -- and are lighter (for what *that's* worth, but Bill would
>> approve) and in most situations I'd choose the Tektros over the Pauls
>> simply for looks and function, leaving aside price.
>>
>> But for a situation like mine, where the more precise machining
>> eliminates squeal and minimizes judder, I willingly paid 500% more for
>> Pauls.
>>
>> Note that I found both with Tektros and Pauls that I had to use them for
>> ~ 1K miles before the pads bedded in and I got maximum braking.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Patrick Moore]

And!!! Zests are half the price of Pauls!

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 2:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> IME the problem with the Tektros wasn't the stopping power but the sloppy
> pivots. They stopped about as well as the Pauls but they squealed and
> juddered. The Pauls are machined much more precisely and don't squeal at
> all or judder as much.
>
> On my bike, the Pauls are no worse than any other cantilever I've used but
> their braking power is hardly beyond ordinary; the high end forged single
> pivot on my gofast road fixed gear gives more retardation per amount of
> hand squeeze than the Touring on the front of my errand road bike or the
> Neo Retro in back. Ditto for any number of single pivots, dual pivots,
> centerpulls, not to mention disks and V brakes.
>
> I wish I'd known about the Zests before I bought Pauls. Perhaps they would
> have been more powerful.
>
> Still, the Pauls are beautifully made, so very easy to set up, and
> perfectly functional, tho' I think they are more industrial looking that
> elegant. Overall, taking all with all, I'm not unhappy.
>
> BUT! I will be very interested to hear others' comparison of the Zests
> with Pauls; or of other cantilevers wtih Pauls.
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 12:21 PM Will Boericke 
> wrote:
>
>> It's not surprising to me that Pauls would be better than the 720s.  I
>> know they (Tektro 720s) have a dedicated following; I can't understand
>> why.  In my experience, they were mediocre stoppers, replaced quickly by
>> Shimano CX70s and then by mini-Vs.
>>
>> I just replaced some budget Shimano cantis on my commuter with Velo
>> Orange Zeste brakes and they're amazing.  For the $70 I paid, miraculous
>> even.  Hard to imagine that Pauls would be better.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:03:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I swapped Tektro C 720s for Paul cantis, Touring in the rear, Neo Retro
>>> in front, after I experienced severe squeal and judder in the front with
>>> the Tektros. The bike in question is a 58 cm c-c built for 26"/559 mm bsd
>>> wheels, so the steerer is hugely long.
>>>
>>> I got the Tektros to work sufficiently well by toeing them in at an
>>> absurd angle, but the Pauls (using the same salmon pads) stop a wee bit
>>> better, with normal toe in, and judder in front is reduced to a fugitive
>>> whisper. And of course the Pauls are so easy to set up.
>>>
>>> Are the Pauls worth 5X the Tektros? IMO, the Tektros look better -- more
>>> svelte, more shiny, at least when you remove the logo (tho' the careful
>>> engineering and quality materials of the Pauls have their own aesthetic
>>> merits) -- and are lighter (for what *that's* worth, but Bill would
>>> approve) and in most situations I'd choose the Tektros over the Pauls
>>> simply for looks and function, leaving aside price.
>>>
>>> But for a situation like mine, where the more precise machining
>>> eliminates squeal and minimizes judder, I willingly paid 500% more for
>>> Pauls.
>>>
>>> Note that I found both with Tektros and Pauls that I had to use them for
>>> ~ 1K miles before the pads bedded in and I got maximum braking.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Ryan]

those zeste cantilever brakes have a Meccano set vibe that I rather like
I have experience with the grand cru road. it wouldn't surprise me that 
these work well too.
I think velo orange is a great company

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 1:21:38 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's not surprising to me that Pauls would be better than the 720s.  I 
> know they (Tektro 720s) have a dedicated following; I can't understand 
> why.  In my experience, they were mediocre stoppers, replaced quickly by 
> Shimano CX70s and then by mini-Vs.  
>
> I just replaced some budget Shimano cantis on my commuter with Velo Orange 
> Zeste brakes and they're amazing.  For the $70 I paid, miraculous even.  
> Hard to imagine that Pauls would be better.
>
> Will
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:03:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I swapped Tektro C 720s for Paul cantis, Touring in the rear, Neo Retro 
>> in front, after I experienced severe squeal and judder in the front with 
>> the Tektros. The bike in question is a 58 cm c-c built for 26"/559 mm bsd 
>> wheels, so the steerer is hugely long.
>>
>> I got the Tektros to work sufficiently well by toeing them in at an 
>> absurd angle, but the Pauls (using the same salmon pads) stop a wee bit 
>> better, with normal toe in, and judder in front is reduced to a fugitive 
>> whisper. And of course the Pauls are so easy to set up.
>>
>> Are the Pauls worth 5X the Tektros? IMO, the Tektros look better -- more 
>> svelte, more shiny, at least when you remove the logo (tho' the careful 
>> engineering and quality materials of the Pauls have their own aesthetic 
>> merits) -- and are lighter (for what *that's* worth, but Bill would 
>> approve) and in most situations I'd choose the Tektros over the Pauls 
>> simply for looks and function, leaving aside price.
>>
>> But for a situation like mine, where the more precise machining 
>> eliminates squeal and minimizes judder, I willingly paid 500% more for 
>> Pauls.
>>
>> Note that I found both with Tektros and Pauls that I had to use them for 
>> ~ 1K miles before the pads bedded in and I got maximum braking.
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Will Boericke]

Cost was a significant part of my argument, for sure.  Also, Zestes will 
work with the normal spring anchors on most posts.  I am not a fan of 
Paul's spring solution - it's tidy but I found it finicky to adjust (and 
keep adjusted) on the one set of minimotos I owned.  That said, the Zeste 
brakes are non-trivial to install.  Took me an hour to do the first but was 
slightly quicker with the second set.

Will

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 4:06:41 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And!!! Zests are half the price of Pauls!
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 2:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> IME the problem with the Tektros wasn't the stopping power but the sloppy 
>> pivots. They stopped about as well as the Pauls but they squealed and 
>> juddered. The Pauls are machined much more precisely and don't squeal at 
>> all or judder as much.
>>
>> On my bike, the Pauls are no worse than any other cantilever I've used 
>> but their braking power is hardly beyond ordinary; the high end forged 
>> single pivot on my gofast road fixed gear gives more retardation per amount 
>> of hand squeeze than the Touring on the front of my errand road bike or the 
>> Neo Retro in back. Ditto for any number of single pivots, dual pivots, 
>> centerpulls, not to mention disks and V brakes.
>>
>> I wish I'd known about the Zests before I bought Pauls. Perhaps they 
>> would have been more powerful.
>>
>> Still, the Pauls are beautifully made, so very easy to set up, and 
>> perfectly functional, tho' I think they are more industrial looking that 
>> elegant. Overall, taking all with all, I'm not unhappy.
>>
>> BUT! I will be very interested to hear others' comparison of the Zests 
>> with Pauls; or of other cantilevers wtih Pauls.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 12:21 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>
>>> It's not surprising to me that Pauls would be better than the 720s.  I 
>>> know they (Tektro 720s) have a dedicated following; I can't understand 
>>> why.  In my experience, they were mediocre stoppers, replaced quickly by 
>>> Shimano CX70s and then by mini-Vs.  
>>>
>>> I just replaced some budget Shimano cantis on my commuter with Velo 
>>> Orange Zeste brakes and they're amazing.  For the $70 I paid, miraculous 
>>> even.  Hard to imagine that Pauls would be better.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:03:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I swapped Tektro C 720s for Paul cantis, Touring in the rear, Neo Retro 
 in front, after I experienced severe squeal and judder in the front with 
 the Tektros. The bike in question is a 58 cm c-c built for 26"/559 mm bsd 
 wheels, so the steerer is hugely long.

 I got the Tektros to work sufficiently well by toeing them in at an 
 absurd angle, but the Pauls (using the same salmon pads) stop a wee bit 
 better, with normal toe in, and judder in front is reduced to a fugitive 
 whisper. And of course the Pauls are so easy to set up.

 Are the Pauls worth 5X the Tektros? IMO, the Tektros look better -- 
 more svelte, more shiny, at least when you remove the logo (tho' the 
 careful engineering and quality materials of the Pauls have their own 
 aesthetic merits) -- and are lighter (for what *that's* worth, but 
 Bill would approve) and in most situations I'd choose the Tektros over the 
 Pauls simply for looks and function, leaving aside price.

 But for a situation like mine, where the more precise machining 
 eliminates squeal and minimizes judder, I willingly paid 500% more for 
 Pauls.

 Note that I found both with Tektros and Pauls that I had to use them 
 for ~ 1K miles before the pads bedded in and I got maximum braking.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Toyo Atlantis Build Thread

[Brian Turner]

Ah! Ok… sorry, when I zoomed in, I misread the tires as Naches Pass (which are 26”), instead of Hatcher Pass (700). So I thought it was one of the 26” models, like my 54.5 Toyo. Great work! Sorry you had to deal with a damaged frame, but it seems to have all worked out for the best!On Oct 14, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Brendan Willard  wrote:58!Thanks,-Brendan WillardOwner/WinemakerPhantômé Cellarsphantomecellars.com Speaking in Thumbs 👍On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:16 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Looks great, Brendan! What size? 53? 54.5?On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Brendan Willard in SF  wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:07 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:I purchased this low miles Toyo Atlantis from a fellow who had it built up with a bunch of 9 speed era fast roadie parts.  The bike arrived with a dent in the top tube, so I got a quote from Rick at D&D, contacted Bike Flights and they had insurance cut a check.The bike went to Rick and I decided on the Hunq green as I've never been a big fan of the original Atlantis color.  The paint it beautiful, a bit more sparkly green apple than I expected but it's growing on me.  It's a good match for my green and white Vans, bike lane paint, green waste bins, and Lime scooters (see the latest Riv email).I had some mismatched Paul levers, a nice SKF BB, some Salsa Rasta skewers, a Clem wheelset, and some other odds and ends.  Bought a Clipper crankset, a Sycip Singles Bar, some Thumbies, XT V-Brakes, etc.I don't usually get down with blingy anodized stuff, but I'm really in love with the Rasta skewers and red of the SKF against the green frame.  Should I order those anodized Wolftooth bolts?? HmmmAnyhooo.  Here it is in front of my wife's N+1 pillow collection and around SF.



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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A Nitto S84 has at least 10mm LESS setback than the IRD Wayback (approx 
40mm (S84) vs 50mm (IRD) per RBW site).   Leah pics shows the IRD to be 
full back.   So even if she could use a 27.2 post, the S84 does not have 
the setback she needs.

The real question is why didn't  RBW design the frame for a 27.2mm seat 
postAre they using a straight gauge seat tube vs a butted seat tube 
to save cost???  Or do they need a thicker wall for the lug in the middle 
of the seat tube??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 7:28:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
> perspective: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>
> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
> 
> .
>
> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
>>> frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Ryan,
>>> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like the 
>>> setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. This 
>>> bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have been 
>>> 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
>>> for that lovely bike.just saying
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 [image: image6.jpeg]


 AND After…
 [image: image1.jpeg]

 [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
 image5.jpeg]


 On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
 thread.


 Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
 Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
 occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
 Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
 I 
 was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
 out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
 Platypus, 
 slapped them on and sent her a photo. 

 “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
 me the unvarnished truth. 

 I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
 found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
 didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
 chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips 
 in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
 throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
 abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
 elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
 texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 

 This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
 wholly appointed to its duty.

 Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair 
 to match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…

 Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
 Leah

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[RBW] Wool Sweater Box

[Dave Grossman]

I have 7 wool sweaters, all XL.  

3 v necks (Ralph Lauren and Merona are 100% wool, Benetton is 80/20)
4 crew necks (all Gap, Wool/Poly blend

I was given a wool box a few years ago on here and I'd like to do the same.

$50 shipped for all 7

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[RBW] Ibex Full Zip Wool Coat

[Dave Grossman]

  I am on a jacket moratorium!

Ibex full zip 100% wool 
Made in USA
Size Large 
Pit to pit is 22"

Its basically like an active fleece with slash zips and a zippered chest 
pocket except it is some wool goodness

Asking $90 shipped CONUS

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Ted W]

Well, for those curious, I discovered and impulsively bought a set of WTB
Resolute tires in 700x42. A friend of mines wife runs these on her Hoefer (
http://www.hoefercycles.com) gravel bike. My friend also happens to have a
couple other bikes. One runs the RH Umtanum Ridge (650x55) on one bike and
the other, Juniper Ridge (650x48). So this gave me a really great
opportunity to compare a lot of options side-by-side. Bringing out the
calipers, I measured things as follows:

|———-|
| tire | sidewall size  | rim inner width | measured width |
|———-|
| WTB  | 650x42  | 25mm|  44mm
|
|———-|
| Umtanum | 650x55  |  19mm|  53mm |
|———-|
| Juniper | 650x48  |  24mm   |   50mm
   |
|———-|

I ended up with the WTB tires because the tread pattern is almost identical
to the RH tread pattern and they’re 2/3 the price of the RH tires. The only
concern I have at this point is the sidewall. My friend warned me that he
has seen some other folks run these tires and shred the thin sidewalls. But
he prefaced that with saying those people rode on very aggressive terrain,
not what I ride (pavement and hard pack gravel).

I hope the data formatted properly (I did my best on my phone) and that the
data is helpful for others. I will report back if there’s anything to note
about the WTB tires as I get some miles on them.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 11:50 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Supple Vitese 700x38 on Bob Jackson
> Challenge Strada Bianca 700x32 on Roadeo (measure about 33.3)
> Gravel King slicks 700x38 on BMC Monstercross
>
> All nice smooth rolling, the feel light enough. Got my first flat on Bob
> last week from a goathead. I've not had issues with them, mount easily and
> lie in the bead bed perfectly.  Same can be said about the Challenge
> tires.  Gravel Kings are a bit tighter (on Pacenti Forza rims), I think
> they are the tubeless compatible model. No flats yet.
>
> BMC and BJ do commute and errand duties alternating weeks.
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:18:02 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Jason,
>>
>> I'm digging the 650B × 42 Pumpkin Ridge for crappy road/mellow dirt
>> riding, but they feel a smidge narrow and skittish on some of the gnarlier
>> terrain I've discovered since moving here. I have room for 48s, should I
>> dump cash - it's a LOT of cash - into Juniper Ridges?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:43:19 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I'm late to the party, and every angle has already been discussed at
>>> length, but I still want to shout out the RH knobbies. I'm very happy with
>>> them, but more notably for me is that I've recommended them to some riding
>>> buddies and then the good word spread like wildfire and now nearly all my
>>> riding buddies within that social circle, which ranges from longtime
>>> roadies to newbies to longtime mountain bikers, all absolutely swear by
>>> these tires.  None of us have experienced a tire that grips so well on a
>>> variety of trail surfaces, rolls fast and predictably on pavement, resists
>>> punctures, and feels great (better than other premium Panaracer brands) all
>>> at the same time.
>>>
>>> My only non-gushing comments would be that they do have a buzz on
>>> pavement, though the tone is more pleasant than most knobbies, and they do
>>> tend to throw pea gravel through your fender if you run metal fenders,
>>> which is slightly annoying. Definitely pair these with PDW safety tabs if
>>> running metal fenders.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 08:26:17 UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want
 to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit
 absorbed with that thought.

 At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black
 sidewall in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a
 26” build and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the
 larger size, with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I
 find the tires sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the
 25mm wide rim I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.

 I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile
 and something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range
 to start.

 I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend
 who runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose
 and absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another
 build and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the
 “endurance” casing, they were very prone to small pu

Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Eric Marth]

Leah, if only you could link up with a trustworthy board member-mechanic 
who could carefully ream the seat tube for her! I'm not sure who that would 
be 🤔 The S84 is the ultimate. 

I certainly understand your reluctance to have a local shop do this for you 
after the recent stories you shared! 

They're not super easy to find but the SR MTE-100 seatpost (that the IRD 
post you have is based on) comes in a 26.8 but looks only slightly better 
than your IRD, IMO. A saved eBay search would help. But I wouldn't think 
it's worth it for you to track one down considering the IRD is working for 
you. 

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> but I certainly understand Leah's reluctance to entrust this job to her 
> local bikeshops
>
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:28:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>> perspective: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>
>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
>>> them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the hole 
>>> is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
>>> it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
>>> well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the most 
 frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:

 

 Ryan,
 That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like 
 the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. 
 This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have 
 been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
 Leah

 On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:

 the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
 for that lovely bike.just saying

 On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
>
> AND After…
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
> image5.jpeg]
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike 
> Makeover thread.
>
>
> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my 
> favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in 
> the 
> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. 
> I 
> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull 
> it 
> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
> Platypus, 
> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>
> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
> me the unvarnished truth. 
>
> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
> chestnut saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather 
> grips 
> in hand. The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint 
> throw out so many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the 
> abundant glitter in the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only 
> elevates the look. The stamped designs on the leather give the bike some 
> texture and add visual interest at the handlebar area. 
>
> This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and 
> wholly appointed to its duty.
>
> Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a 
> pair to match my ivory Rivet saddle when s

[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Eric Marth]

Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three mermaid 
frames... at least! 

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Yep that was me!
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Some day…
 Have fun!
 -Kai

 On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>
>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this 
>>> year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.
>>>
>>> Cheers-
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Allrounder 54/55cm

[Adam Bowen]

I found one! Thank you to the Group!

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:26 PM UTC-4 Adam Bowen wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to track down a used Atlantis/Appaloosa/Platypus frame in a 
> 55ish. Located in Philly, so mid-Atlantic is ideal, but would be happy to 
> ship.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] WTB: Royal & gold riv hat

[peter cownan]

Missed the 2nd drop of these awesome hats. Would love to buy one will pay 
for shipping. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Toyo Atlantis Build Thread

[Stephen Durfee]

Sweet Jolly Rancher Apple, I like that!  Swing it by Dandelion someday if 
you have the chance, I'd love to have a closer look! sd

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
wrote:

> I did have a 26" a while back.  Miss that bike![image: IMG_5922.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 1:35:56 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ah! Ok… sorry, when I zoomed in, I misread the tires as Naches Pass 
>> (which are 26”), instead of Hatcher Pass (700). So I thought it was one of 
>> the 26” models, like my 54.5 Toyo. Great work! Sorry you had to deal with a 
>> damaged frame, but it seems to have all worked out for the best!
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Brendan Willard  wrote:
>>
>> 58!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
>>
>> phantomecellars.com 
>>
>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:16 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Looks great, Brendan! What size? 53? 54.5?
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Brendan Willard in SF  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_5752.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:42:07 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_5859.JPG]

 On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
 wrote:

> I purchased this low miles Toyo Atlantis from a fellow who had it 
> built up with a bunch of 9 speed era fast roadie parts.  
>
> The bike arrived with a dent in the top tube, so I got a quote from 
> Rick at D&D, contacted Bike Flights and they had insurance cut a check.
>
> The bike went to Rick and I decided on the Hunq green as I've never 
> been a big fan of the original Atlantis color.  The paint it beautiful, a 
> bit more sparkly green apple than I expected but it's growing on me.  
> It's 
> a good match for my green and white Vans, bike lane paint, green waste 
> bins, and Lime scooters (see the latest Riv email).
>
> I had some mismatched Paul levers, a nice SKF BB, some Salsa Rasta 
> skewers, a Clem wheelset, and some other odds and ends.  Bought a Clipper 
> crankset, a Sycip Singles Bar, some Thumbies, XT V-Brakes, etc.
>
> I don't usually get down with blingy anodized stuff, but I'm really in 
> love with the Rasta skewers and red of the SKF against the green frame.  
> Should I order those anodized Wolftooth bolts?? Hmmm
>
> Anyhooo.  Here it is in front of my wife's N+1 pillow collection and 
> around SF.
> [image: IMG_5855.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Joseph Tousignant]

Leah, it seems to me the way to go is pick up a nice looking, reliable, and 
tough seatpost like a Thomson Elite setback seatpost like this one in 
26.8mm diameter. They may make it is silver also but black is all I've ever 
used. On sale at $85.79 below, and I have NO involvement with the seller. 
:-)

https://carsoncitybikeshop.com/elite-setback-seatpost-26-8-x-330-black/?gclid=CjwKCAjw-KipBhBtEiwAWjgwrOEHZqApBkZKdn3D8viyVSNzW4l2v3b2_LQiouI1t01nVaoRtJVwFBoCPWYQAvD_BwE

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:50:40 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Leah, if only you could link up with a trustworthy board member-mechanic 
> who could carefully ream the seat tube for her! I'm not sure who that would 
> be 🤔 The S84 is the ultimate. 
>
> I certainly understand your reluctance to have a local shop do this for 
> you after the recent stories you shared! 
>
> They're not super easy to find but the SR MTE-100 seatpost (that the IRD 
> post you have is based on) comes in a 26.8 but looks only slightly better 
> than your IRD, IMO. A saved eBay search would help. But I wouldn't think 
> it's worth it for you to track one down considering the IRD is working for 
> you. 
>
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:40:07 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> but I certainly understand Leah's reluctance to entrust this job to her 
>> local bikeshops
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 6:28:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> The difficulty of less than common seat tube diameters was the indirect 
>>> subject of another lister's, touched upon a bit ago from a different 
>>> perspective: 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/ooTGF-OdSws/m/9T6WazuQAAAJ
>>>
>>> Every bike is different but if feasible on your Platy, it can be done to 
>>> permit something as nice as the Nitto S84 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Love Deb's "pre stock" grips for your Ergons. She's the best. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:36:47 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I’ve had enough experiences with bike shops to be very hesitant to hand 
 them my bike for a task that could ruin the frame. What happens if the 
 hole 
 is reamed too large? I can’t see that the frame would be salvageable. 

 On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

 Many here have said that its not a big deal to get a bike shop to ream 
 it to 27.2 to allow for more seatpost options. I find it frustrating as 
 well but slightly less so because I don't need the extra setback. 



 On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 7:39:10 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Yeah, the whole 26.8 seat tube limitation has got to be one of the 
> most frustrating things about this era of Rivendell. 
>
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Ryan,
> That seat post is butt ugly. The only ugly thing on the bike. I like 
> the setback it offers, and there are zero other options for that. Zero. 
> This bike is unimprovable, save this one thing: the seat tube should have 
> been 27.2 so I would have some OPTIONS. It’s my one sorrow.
> Leah
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> the grips are smashing.but nitto needs to make a 26.8 lugged seatpost
> for that lovely bike.just saying
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Raspberry Platypus BEFORE:
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> AND After…
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: 
>> image5.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 9:53 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike 
>> Makeover thread.
>>
>>
>> Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my 
>> favorite Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips 
>> and 
>> occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in 
>> the 
>> Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of 
>> season. I 
>> was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull 
>> it 
>> out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other 
>> Platypus, 
>> slapped them on and sent her a photo. 
>>
>> “That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving 
>> me the unvarnished truth. 
>>
>> I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally 
>> found these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but 
>> didn’t have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my 
>>