[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Joe Bernard]

 "Probably too much of a pain to deal with."

Precisely. It's not in the product descriptions anymore but at the 
introduction of Silvers much was made of how fiddly that hidden chainring 
bolt is when installing/swapping rings on the Sugino cranks Riv sold. As a 
many-years owner of many 'hidden arm' Suginos, I can attest they are a pain 
in the patooty. 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:57:20 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:

> Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino AT 
> cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the 
> upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that Rivendell 
> didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a pain 
> to deal with. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis  
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at Roman's 
>> Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, so I 
>> always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>>
>> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. 
>>  Looks pretty cool!
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Upgrade Update: IT GOES TO 11!

[Josh Brown]

I'm not familiar with nomad! I'll tell em you sent me!


Josh in NYC

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 3:26 PM Caroline Golum 
wrote:

> So for some of you following the convoluted saga of my seized stem, this
> epic yarn which began in June has at last concluded with
>
> - an un-seized stem, now raised considerably higher
> - an overhaul tune-up, because why not??
> - a derailleur/cassette upgrade from 1x10 with a 105 to a 1x11 with an SLX!
>
> Pics here: https://imgur.com/a/IlwRAeI
>
> And all courtesy of my dude Damon at Nomad Cycle 
> in Queens, NY who I cannot recommend enough. The man even machines his own
> parts, he's serious!
>
> Had my first few weekends of riding with the new drivetrain/higher stem
> set-up and I have to say, it really does feel like a whole new bike. The
> biggest difference I noticed was the *ease* - my new rear cassette
> is 11-42T, and I really feel like each pedal stroke takes a bigger "bite"
> out of the road. I did 25mi. yesterday in that lousy rain, from Central BK
> to Bay Ridge to Wburg, and felt like I barely broke a sweat.
>
> This is first time in 13 years I've changed to a MTB derailleur, and now
> I'm just kicking myself thinking about how I should've done it sooner.
> Ditto for the stem, but chalk it up to my youthful hubris. The modified fit
> is not only more comfortable, it feels considerably faster too (even though
> we all know it isn't a bike that's fast, it's the rider!).
>
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[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[R. Alexis]

Was walking past one of my bikes the other day and thought the Sugino AT 
cranks and the Specialized Flag cranks bare some resemblance to the 
upcoming Silver 2 cranks. On another note, I was surprised that Rivendell 
didn't go with a hidden arm crank ala Ritchey. Probably too much of a pain 
to deal with. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis  

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:30:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at Roman's 
> Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, so I 
> always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>
> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. 
>  Looks pretty cool!
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] WTT: My Mark's Rack for Your Nitto 32F

[Collin A]

Hey Folks,

The ol' Joe is going though it's annual update, and this year's edition is 
to an old favorite - the basket camper. Anywho, looking for a 32F campee 
rack (this one: Nitto Rack Front Campee 32F Riv Mini (somafabshop.com) 
)
 
in exchange for my Mark's Rack.

Happy Winter Miles!
Collin in Berktown

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[RBW] Re: Newer Sam Hillborne/Toyo Atlantis crossover

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dear exliontamer, I would agree with both Randy and with Frank about the 
two bikes. For a couple of years, I owned a very nice Toyo (2014?) 
Atlantis, hardly used when I purchased it. When that proved to be more bike 
than I thought I needed, I purchased a new 2015 Sam Hillborne, single top 
tube. The main difference is in the ride. I felt the fatter tires afforded 
by the Atlantis did not make up for the stiffer ride. (I am 160 lbs.) 
The Hillborne immediately was crowned my dedicated tourer and has done 
numerous tours up to 7 days, on and off-pavement (rail trails) shod with 38 
mm tires and fenders. It has proved to be reliable and comfortable for that 
purpose and I would not hesitate to make it a daily ride. (My Hilsen is 
somewhat more lively but not sure about touring on it.)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48959491076/in/album-72157711498338087/
Of course, tire width preferences have changed a bit since 2015 and I might 
look at the Atlantis a little differently now - if I had not had a constant 
problem with chain suck which I never got a handle on. The Atlantis took 
wider tires back then with the help of chain stays which flared outward 
like the old mountain bike chain stays instead of straight back from the BB 
shell.
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 10:04:27 AM UTC-5 frank.b...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have both a Toyo Atlantis and an early Sam Hillborne. I agree that the 
> Atlantis is pretty stout and I don't notice much flexing, even if pushed 
> hard. My Sam feels lighter and easier to get up to cruising speed when 
> riding. I ride them both in the city, light touring, and limited MTB 
> trails, they will both do the job. The largest difference is the tire 
> clearances. If you haven't noticed that this is an issue for you, I would 
> say it probably wouldn't be as big of a difference as you might think. 
> Having said that, if I were to get rid of one, it would be the Sam. Hope 
> that this helps!
> -Frank  
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 2:55:05 AM UTC-5 andrew.s...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have both a toyo atlantis and i think a 2011 (double top tube, 
>> centermount) hillborne. They are markedly different beasts, atlantis with 
>> clearance for days, 2.2s could fit comfortably, the sam has narrower 
>> chainstays that limit it to 48s with some rubbing on high effort pushes. 
>> Tubing seems to be about the same stoutness, though the extra top tube 
>> might have something to do with that. The setups are different too, one 
>> intended for townie cruising, comfort, and gravel road touring in all 
>> weather, the other geared for more spirited road riding with capacity to 
>> jump into gravel roads and hairy descents. I will say, i do wish 
>> occasionally for a more road forward bike having the atlantis, but i make 
>> do with what i have. 
>> -Randy in Portland, OR
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:39:04 AM UTC-8 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the insights. I have a potential trade for another frame I 
>>> have but I have a feeling they'd be too similar outside of the slightly 
>>> lighter tubing. 
>>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 8:00:55 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 The difference would be tubing. Hillborne is a "country bike" not 
 intended to carry touring loads or bomb around on gnarly trails. Atlantis 
 (that's one the I owned) is a beefy frame which will take just about 
 anything you can throw at it. 

 On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 5:29:30 PM UTC-8 brycel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> If you compare the two bikes on bike insights, they're almost 
> identical except the new Sams have more stack.
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> Just curious if anyone has any real world experience with both of 
>> these bikes, and if so, how similar they feel & ride (aside from obvious 
>> differences like tire clearance). I have a 61 Atlantis and am looking at 
>> a 
>> 60 Hillborne. Thanks!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Joe Bernard]

Did someone say PIE??! 不

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone told 
> me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding since 
> I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and see 
> how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 12 x 
> 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to fuel 
> my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
>> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>>
>> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
>> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
>> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
>> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
>> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
>> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
>> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
>>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern 
 than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:

 - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
 - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
 - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
 medium and small cogs and back. 

 Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
 gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 

 Eric 
 Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 


 On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
 wrote:

> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
> thing?
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to 
>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high 
>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>> more 
>> rings up there. 
>>
>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 
>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want 
>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 
>> 24-25 
>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings 
>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can 
>> run 
>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
>> situations 
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' 
>>> if 
>>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when 
>>> I 
>>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the 
>>> rear 
>>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... 
>>> apologies in advance if this is too much.
>>>
>>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 
>>> 50x34 combos became all the rage. 

Re: [RBW] Re: "Trust, but Verify"

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Please add my own thanks for your volunteer work Jim. 
BTW, I still send folks to the old Cyclofiend.com site to see the bikes I 
was fortunate enough to add there. If you need contributions to help defray 
any costs of maintaining it in place, let us know.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:32:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> +1; thanks, Jim.
>
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 11:52 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Many, many thanks for your continued diligence and efforts to be the good 
>> gatekeeper that you've been for so long!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 4:13:57 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Jim for the reminder and thank you for being our 
>>> admin/moderator. Much appreciated.
>>>
>>> BTW, Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 1:11:02 PM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 Putting on the admin cap this morning:

 I had a couple of members reach out to me regarding some interactions 
 following a "WTB/WTT" posting.

 They were contacted directly by a "member" who had just what they 
 wanted. Luckily, both of the original posters did a bit of due diligence 
 and realized that the images had been pulled from other forums, and the 
 person who contacted them had some fairly sketchy responses. Both 
 individuals wisely stepped away from the transaction. 

 This is a reminder that it's up to you to verify the validity of anyone 
 with whom you are dealing. One quick way to do so is by searching 
 conversations in this group under the person's email address. In this case 
 the "member" who exhibited hinky behavior had been in this group for all 
 of 
 6 days. They had not contributed to any conversations and were still 
 moderated. 

 Bear in mind that a moderated/unknown member can still contact you 
 directly. That's what this individual did in these cases. 

 As a reminder, if you are engaging in transactions, the onus is upon 
 you to confirm identity and validity of the person and conditions. Ask 
 questions. Require an image with today's newspaper or some other 
 verifiable, unique aspect. Search them in the group. 
 In other words, "Trust, but verify."

 Thankful, as always, for all of you in this group.

 admin mode OFF

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade Update: IT GOES TO 11!

[Josh C]

I love the look of that bike. Glad to hear that you got it going and are 
happy with your new drivetrain. Very cool. 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:07:13 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was so, so happy to read this. That bike is so well-traveled, it would 
> have been a shame to have to park it because of the seized stem. I know 
> exactly what you mean about taking a bite out of the road. I’m so glad you 
> have your bike back and I hope you’ll post here more often so we can follow 
> your NYC bike adventures!
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 3:26:40 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> So for some of you following the convoluted saga of my seized stem, this 
>> epic yarn which began in June has at last concluded with
>>
>> - an un-seized stem, now raised considerably higher
>> - an overhaul tune-up, because why not??
>> - a derailleur/cassette upgrade from 1x10 with a 105 to a 1x11 with an 
>> SLX!
>>
>> Pics here: https://imgur.com/a/IlwRAeI
>>
>> And all courtesy of my dude Damon at Nomad Cycle 
>>  in Queens, NY who I cannot recommend enough. 
>> The man even machines his own parts, he's serious!
>>
>> Had my first few weekends of riding with the new drivetrain/higher stem 
>> set-up and I have to say, it really does feel like a whole new bike. The 
>> biggest difference I noticed was the *ease* - my new rear cassette 
>> is 11-42T, and I really feel like each pedal stroke takes a bigger "bite" 
>> out of the road. I did 25mi. yesterday in that lousy rain, from Central BK 
>> to Bay Ridge to Wburg, and felt like I barely broke a sweat. 
>>
>> This is first time in 13 years I've changed to a MTB derailleur, and now 
>> I'm just kicking myself thinking about how I should've done it sooner. 
>> Ditto for the stem, but chalk it up to my youthful hubris. The modified fit 
>> is not only more comfortable, it feels considerably faster too (even though 
>> we all know it isn't a bike that's fast, it's the rider!). 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Upgrade Update: IT GOES TO 11!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I was so, so happy to read this. That bike is so well-traveled, it would 
have been a shame to have to park it because of the seized stem. I know 
exactly what you mean about taking a bite out of the road. I’m so glad you 
have your bike back and I hope you’ll post here more often so we can follow 
your NYC bike adventures!

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 3:26:40 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> So for some of you following the convoluted saga of my seized stem, this 
> epic yarn which began in June has at last concluded with
>
> - an un-seized stem, now raised considerably higher
> - an overhaul tune-up, because why not??
> - a derailleur/cassette upgrade from 1x10 with a 105 to a 1x11 with an SLX!
>
> Pics here: https://imgur.com/a/IlwRAeI
>
> And all courtesy of my dude Damon at Nomad Cycle  
> in Queens, NY who I cannot recommend enough. The man even machines his own 
> parts, he's serious!
>
> Had my first few weekends of riding with the new drivetrain/higher stem 
> set-up and I have to say, it really does feel like a whole new bike. The 
> biggest difference I noticed was the *ease* - my new rear cassette 
> is 11-42T, and I really feel like each pedal stroke takes a bigger "bite" 
> out of the road. I did 25mi. yesterday in that lousy rain, from Central BK 
> to Bay Ridge to Wburg, and felt like I barely broke a sweat. 
>
> This is first time in 13 years I've changed to a MTB derailleur, and now 
> I'm just kicking myself thinking about how I should've done it sooner. 
> Ditto for the stem, but chalk it up to my youthful hubris. The modified fit 
> is not only more comfortable, it feels considerably faster too (even though 
> we all know it isn't a bike that's fast, it's the rider!). 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Nick A.]

Hi Sarah, I also fuel my engine with pie and love the triple crank on my 
commuter. It's 48-34-28, with a 12-36 9sp in rear. I love it and use that 
34t all the time to push around. Just the right range for hilly Northern VA.

Nick in Falls Church

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 7:47:53 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:

> If you’re spinning out the 42, many triple FDs and RDs will handle a 
> 24-36-46 with a 12-36. Alternately, you could use the 24-34-44 with an 
> 11-34 or 11-36, both of which are made in 9 speed. A 44x11 is easy math, 
> it’s the same 4:1 ratio that was the standard high gear when professional 
> racers ran a 42-52 up front with a 13-21 freewheel. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone 
>> told me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding 
>> since I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and 
>> see how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 
>> 12 x 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to 
>> fuel my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
>>> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>>>
>>> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
>>> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
>>> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
>>> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
>>> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
>>> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
>>> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
 bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for 
 everyone!

 On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern 
> than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:
>
> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
> medium and small cogs and back. 
>
> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
> gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 
>
> Eric 
> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 
>
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
>> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
>> thing?
>>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible 
>>> to 
>>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how 
>>> high 
>>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
>>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>>> more 
>>> rings up there. 
>>>
>>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
>>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 
>>> 100 
>>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want 
>>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 
>>> 24-25 
>>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings 
>>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can 
>>> run 
>>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
>>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
>>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
>>> situations 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller 
 

Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Drew Saunders]

If you’re spinning out the 42, many triple FDs and RDs will handle a 
24-36-46 with a 12-36. Alternately, you could use the 24-34-44 with an 
11-34 or 11-36, both of which are made in 9 speed. A 44x11 is easy math, 
it’s the same 4:1 ratio that was the standard high gear when professional 
racers ran a 42-52 up front with a 13-21 freewheel. 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone told 
> me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding since 
> I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and see 
> how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 12 x 
> 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to fuel 
> my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
>> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>>
>> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
>> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
>> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
>> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
>> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
>> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
>> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
>>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern 
 than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:

 - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
 - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
 - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
 medium and small cogs and back. 

 Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
 gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 

 Eric 
 Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 


 On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
 wrote:

> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
> thing?
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to 
>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high 
>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>> more 
>> rings up there. 
>>
>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 
>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want 
>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 
>> 24-25 
>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings 
>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can 
>> run 
>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
>> situations 
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' 
>>> if 
>>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when 
>>> I 
>>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the 
>>> rear 
>>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>>> double, you would 

[RBW] Re: New Clem Small Sizes

[Dorothy C]

I have been wanting to change sizes on my 2019 Clem L 45cm that I built up 
from a frame. I am 5’6” with an 81cm pbh and the Clem feels just a little 
cramped. I just bought a green 50cm Platy complete, and intend swapping my 
compatible nicer parts from the Clem with those on the Platy then selling 
the Clem as a complete. Mine is the bronze green. I mostly use the Clem as 
a shopping bike and occasional commuter, so the lighter duty Platy will be 
fine for that. 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:43:26 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Well Rivendell pushes the completes and orders more of them because that 
> is what they want people to do. For completes they don't even open the 
> boxes unless you request it so the work load on them is way less. They are 
> great values if you want what they have on it but the last complete I got I 
> swapped almost everything so the end value to me wasn't great. I understand 
> it from a business perspective and am not bothered by what they are doing.
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:39:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> They have them in completes which is a pretty good deal. I imagine they 
>> sell better than the framesets. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:48:22 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I am thinking they either didn't get any frame stock in those sizes or 
>>> they got a comically low amount because those are the only sizes that sold 
>>> out and it was pretty much immediately. But the 52 is a popular size so I 
>>> am shocked they didn't get more stock of that.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:28:09 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 @Kim,
 It appears that both the 45cm and 52cm frame sets in dark orange and 
 forest green are both SOLD OUT from just visiting the RBW website.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:19:27 AM UTC-8 kims...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame 
> today from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors 
> got 
> sold out quickly. 
>
> Thank you!



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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Stephen Durfee]

Hey Sarah - fun to follow this thread because I am also in the midst of a 
Homer road bike build, to complement my All-Rounder adventure bike. I have 
the same Silver 38/24 on the AR and found it to be frustrating even on the 
flats - I picked up a single 46T chainring and (when I find the time) will 
be swapping that in for the chainguard to make mine a more useful triple. 
Meanwhile, the Homer will be getting a 46/30 crankset from VO and an 11-34 
cassetteNexave RD and Rich-built Velocity Synergy wheelset (33mm Jack 
Browns) collected from folks on the list. I'm putting the finishing touches 
on mine now, let's plan a Homer parade for GGP when you get yours built!


On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone told 
> me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding since 
> I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and see 
> how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 12 x 
> 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to fuel 
> my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
>> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>>
>> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
>> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
>> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
>> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
>> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
>> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
>> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
>>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern 
 than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:

 - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
 - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
 - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
 medium and small cogs and back. 

 Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
 gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 

 Eric 
 Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 


 On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
 wrote:

> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
> thing?
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to 
>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high 
>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>> more 
>> rings up there. 
>>
>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 
>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want 
>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 
>> 24-25 
>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings 
>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can 
>> run 
>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
>> situations 
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the 

[RBW] Re: mounting a light to Nitto 32F

[John Bokman]

Lookin' good under the hood Paul.

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:33:46 PM UTC-8 Paul Richardson wrote:

> if i could wave a magic wand and add a light tab, i certainly would, but 
> for now i'm pretty smitten with my new chainring mount.  can't believe it 
> was that easy!  and grateful again to the input here for steering me in the 
> right direction.  just in time for winter night rides!!
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: son hub sales anywhere?

[Joe Bernard]

SON and Rohloff hub sales are basically "I can afford these parts or I get 
SP dyno and Shimano Alfine." 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> Yes, and if you buy the SON and lights from Peter, they are under 
> warranty, whereas I don't think they are under warranty from a European 
> purchase.
>
> Toshi 
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:19 AM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> Don't forget about Peter White.  Also:  not to be argumentative, because 
>> I'm always on the lookout for sales and deals myself, but I think it might  
>> be an unrealisic expectation in this case.  If you want the best, you 
>> usually pay what it's worth.  In the case of anything that Petrr sells, I 
>> usually realize it's a bargain after researching and shopping and comparing 
>> enough.  I honestly don't know how a small, real, bike shop like his can 
>> offer the things he offers at such good prices.
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7 Sean, PNW wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't checked in a year or so, but the last few SON hubs I purchased 
>>> were all from European mail order sites (SJS/Bike24/Condor/Berthoud/etc) 
>>> and were significantly cheaper as a result of favorable exchange rates and 
>>> no VAT, despite the shipping cost.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:22:15 AM UTC-8 in...@brentknepper.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 hi pals, I'm considering buying a widebody 32h son hub in the near 
 future. just checking if anyone's seen them pop up on any of the consumer 
 bacchanalia sales over the weekend :)

 Brent "always asks Bacchus for a discount" in chicago

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Re: [RBW] Re: son hub sales anywhere?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Yes, and if you buy the SON and lights from Peter, they are under warranty,
whereas I don't think they are under warranty from a European purchase.

Toshi

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 10:19 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> Don't forget about Peter White.  Also:  not to be argumentative, because
> I'm always on the lookout for sales and deals myself, but I think it might
> be an unrealisic expectation in this case.  If you want the best, you
> usually pay what it's worth.  In the case of anything that Petrr sells, I
> usually realize it's a bargain after researching and shopping and comparing
> enough.  I honestly don't know how a small, real, bike shop like his can
> offer the things he offers at such good prices.
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7 Sean, PNW wrote:
>
>> I haven't checked in a year or so, but the last few SON hubs I purchased
>> were all from European mail order sites (SJS/Bike24/Condor/Berthoud/etc)
>> and were significantly cheaper as a result of favorable exchange rates and
>> no VAT, despite the shipping cost.
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:22:15 AM UTC-8 in...@brentknepper.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi pals, I'm considering buying a widebody 32h son hub in the near
>>> future. just checking if anyone's seen them pop up on any of the consumer
>>> bacchanalia sales over the weekend :)
>>>
>>> Brent "always asks Bacchus for a discount" in chicago
>>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Gunnar Crosshairs

[Bernard Duhon]

What do you think are the maximum tire size
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To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Gunnar Crosshairs

Gorgeous. Thanks for posting. What's your gear range if I may ask? What brakes 
are you using?

John
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:23:34 AM UTC-8 exliontamer wrote:
Got this built up & just wanted to share. I was looking for a Roadini but this 
happened to pop up in my size & the price was too good to resist. Can't speak 
highly enough about it. Wish I liked the Gunnar "Star Wars" logo more but 
that's my only complaint. Very happy to have a tiny piece of Waterford history.
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/14da8e1f2094a/IMG_5103.jpg?part=0.1=1]
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[RBW] Re: Gunnar Crosshairs

[John Bokman]

Gorgeous. Thanks for posting. What's your gear range if I may ask? What 
brakes are you using?

John

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:23:34 AM UTC-8 exliontamer wrote:

> Got this built up & just wanted to share. I was looking for a Roadini but 
> this happened to pop up in my size & the price was too good to resist. 
> Can't speak highly enough about it. Wish I liked the Gunnar "Star Wars" 
> logo more but that's my only complaint. Very happy to have a tiny piece of 
> Waterford history. 
> [image: IMG_5103.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: son hub sales anywhere?

[iamkeith]

Don't forget about Peter White.  Also:  not to be argumentative, because 
I'm always on the lookout for sales and deals myself, but I think it might  
be an unrealisic expectation in this case.  If you want the best, you 
usually pay what it's worth.  In the case of anything that Petrr sells, I 
usually realize it's a bargain after researching and shopping and comparing 
enough.  I honestly don't know how a small, real, bike shop like his can 
offer the things he offers at such good prices.

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7 Sean, PNW wrote:

> I haven't checked in a year or so, but the last few SON hubs I purchased 
> were all from European mail order sites (SJS/Bike24/Condor/Berthoud/etc) 
> and were significantly cheaper as a result of favorable exchange rates and 
> no VAT, despite the shipping cost.
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:22:15 AM UTC-8 in...@brentknepper.com 
> wrote:
>
>> hi pals, I'm considering buying a widebody 32h son hub in the near 
>> future. just checking if anyone's seen them pop up on any of the consumer 
>> bacchanalia sales over the weekend :)
>>
>> Brent "always asks Bacchus for a discount" in chicago
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Coco Menk]

Some from October in Squamish BC!
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:33:53 AM UTC-8 wrongw...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Tally-ho! 
>
> An early test run of my nearly-new (and absolutely new-to-me) 62cm 2018 
> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. The bike provides a super stable and cushy ride, 
> which I relish, but currently is a slight "work in progress" in terms of 
> bars, racks, and other fitments. To be deployed in the future, some first 
> generation Crust Towel Rack bars, Shimano bar-end shifters, Tektro brake 
> levers, a rear Nitto Campee rack, and various tire packages. 
>
> This particular ride was along the White River State Trail, a section of 
> the former Milwaukee Road rail corridor in southeast Wisconsin, which runs 
> from Elkhorn in Walworth County, 19 miles eastward to Dover in Racine 
> County, with a gap at Burlington. A section of the trail sits due north of 
> the Wisconsin resort community of Lake Geneva ("Chicagoland's playground"). 
> The first image was taken about a mile west of the Burlington trailhead, on 
> the utility bridge a tad off the trail and perpendicular to it. The bridge 
> spans the White River and allows the farm in the northern distance to 
> trundle its vehicles across the river and the east-west running trail 
> itself and so to access the fields on the southern side of the trail. It is 
> a peaceful spot from which to watch the river meander and to espy Johnny 
> and Mary Muskrat as they sally forth from their watery den.
>
> [image: DSC00998 - Copy.JPG]
> The next three photos were taken in tiny and bucolic Springfield, 
> approximately six miles from the western start of the trail in Elkhorn, 
> along State Trunk Road 120 and Depot Street. The old Springfield Lumber, 
> Feed & Fuel Co. buildings along the former railbed now serve as Pedal & 
> Cup's bike rental depot. Note the bicycle shadow cast from the sign in the 
> upper-right hand side of the image.
>
> [image: DSC00999 - Copy.JPG]
>
> [image: DSC01010 - Copy.JPG]
>
> Across the road from the Lumber Company resides the former Milwaukee Road 
> train depot, preserved pretty much in its original 1911 livery, but now 
> used not to sell tickets and ship steamer trunks but to purvey Pedal & 
> Cup's delicious ice cream and coffee (alas, closed for the season).
>
>
> [image: DSC01011 - Copy.JPG]
>
> Should any leisurely-minded and lollygagging-inclined fellow Rivendell 
> enthusiasts within reach wish to come together for a party-paced ride some 
> uncharacteristically balmy autumn day or sometime come Spring, do let me 
> know. Cheese-and-watercress sandwiches and bergamot-infused tea shall be on 
> the menu. 
>
>
> Cheerio,
>
>
> Peter (aka "Wrongway Pete")
> Whitewater, Wisconsin
>
> *"For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the 
> scent of thingsWhy cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on 
> earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"*
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: New Clem Small Sizes

[Johnny Alien]

Well Rivendell pushes the completes and orders more of them because that is 
what they want people to do. For completes they don't even open the boxes 
unless you request it so the work load on them is way less. They are great 
values if you want what they have on it but the last complete I got I 
swapped almost everything so the end value to me wasn't great. I understand 
it from a business perspective and am not bothered by what they are doing.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:39:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> They have them in completes which is a pretty good deal. I imagine they 
> sell better than the framesets. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:48:22 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am thinking they either didn't get any frame stock in those sizes or 
>> they got a comically low amount because those are the only sizes that sold 
>> out and it was pretty much immediately. But the 52 is a popular size so I 
>> am shocked they didn't get more stock of that.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:28:09 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Kim,
>>> It appears that both the 45cm and 52cm frame sets in dark orange and 
>>> forest green are both SOLD OUT from just visiting the RBW website.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:19:27 AM UTC-8 kims...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame 
 today from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors 
 got 
 sold out quickly. 

 Thank you!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem Small Sizes

[Joe Bernard]

They have them in completes which is a pretty good deal. I imagine they 
sell better than the framesets. 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:48:22 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I am thinking they either didn't get any frame stock in those sizes or 
> they got a comically low amount because those are the only sizes that sold 
> out and it was pretty much immediately. But the 52 is a popular size so I 
> am shocked they didn't get more stock of that.
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:28:09 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Kim,
>> It appears that both the 45cm and 52cm frame sets in dark orange and 
>> forest green are both SOLD OUT from just visiting the RBW website.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:19:27 AM UTC-8 kims...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame 
>>> today from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors got 
>>> sold out quickly. 
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem Small Sizes

[Johnny Alien]

I am thinking they either didn't get any frame stock in those sizes or they 
got a comically low amount because those are the only sizes that sold out 
and it was pretty much immediately. But the 52 is a popular size so I am 
shocked they didn't get more stock of that.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 11:28:09 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Kim,
> It appears that both the 45cm and 52cm frame sets in dark orange and 
> forest green are both SOLD OUT from just visiting the RBW website.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:19:27 AM UTC-8 kims...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame 
>> today from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors got 
>> sold out quickly. 
>>
>> Thank you!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Clem Small Sizes

[Kim H.]

@Kim,
It appears that both the 45cm and 52cm frame sets in dark orange and forest 
green are both SOLD OUT from just visiting the RBW website.

Kim Hetzel.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:19:27 AM UTC-8 kims...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame today 
> from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors got sold 
> out quickly. 
>
> Thank you!

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[RBW] New Clem Small Sizes

[Kim Suico]

Is there anyone here successfully secured a small Clem (46-52) frame today 
from the presale? I don't know if those sizes for both new colors got sold 
out quickly. 

Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2019 Rivendell 59cm (lime olive) Clem Smith Jr. "L"

[Kim H.]

 The sale of my Clem is pending until this weekend. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:58:30 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

> I am third owner.. The frame, fork componentry and wheel set are in 
> excellent condition.. Never crashed.  Mechanically, the drive train, 
> shifters, and brakes work perfectly. The bike has been well taken care of 
> and maintained. No structural damage or dents whatsoever. This trail bike 
>  is a very solid and fun to ride both on or off road. 
>
> The only reason why I am selling it is because the 59cm frame is too large 
> for me to handle. 
>
> The bike has 2x9 gearing
>
> The parts are mostly all stock.
>
> Headset: FSA Duron 1”threaded
> Handlebar: Nitto Torso 55mm
> Stem: Nitto Tallux 10mm
> Saddle: Rivendell new saddle
> Saddle pillar: Ritchey - 27.2mm with shim
> Crank set: 173mm SILVER double – 34/24T
> Pedals: VP plastic
> Shifters: SunRace friction front/ Shimano Acera trigger for the rear
> Front Derailleur: Microshift
> Rear Derailleur: SunRace M90 long cage
> Cassette: SunRace 11-34T
> Chain: KMC
> Brakes and Brake Levers: 837AL V-Brakes and TekTro MT 3.0
> Rims: Alex DM24 Rim / Novatech Hubs
> Tires: Schwalbe Rapid Rob – 700C x 2.25mm – clincher
>
> $2000.00, shipped or $1800.00 for local pickup. If you were to buy it 
> locally from me, you would save $399.85 compared to what Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works would charge you in taxes and shipping. 
> Paypal payment via BikeFlights.
>
> I live outside of the state capital of Olympia, Washington State.
>
> Feel free to message/email me for your interests or questions.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> more pictures here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/qSG4UUVpmkvCJUE7A

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Sarah Carlson]

Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone told 
me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding since 
I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and see 
how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 12 x 
36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to fuel 
my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>
> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern than 
>>> a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:
>>>
>>> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
>>> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
>>> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
>>> medium and small cogs and back. 
>>>
>>> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
>>> gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 
>>>
>>> Eric 
>>> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
 telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
 thing?

 On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to 
> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high 
> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
> more 
> rings up there. 
>
> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - 
> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 
> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want 
> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 24-25 
> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings 
> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can 
> run 
> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 
> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some 
> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most 
> situations 
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' 
>> if 
>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when 
>> I 
>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the 
>> rear 
>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>
>>
>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... 
>> apologies in advance if this is too much.
>>
>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 
>> 50x34 combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure 
>> it 
>> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. 
>> Now, 
>> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous