Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Roy Summer]

Sometimes you can find nail polish that will match or come very close. 
Clear polish will help prevent rust if you can’t find a color match.

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:31:18 PM UTC-4 gds...@gmail.com wrote:

> I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my 
>> paint color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting down, 
>> but it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:
>>
>> Rivendell Atlantis Green
>> Rivendell Cream
>> Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
>> Rivendell Jay's Green
>> Rivendell Light Blue Met
>> Rivendell Light Green
>> Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
>> Rivendell Roadeo R
>> Rivendell Roadeo White
>> Rivendell Sage
>> Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange
>>
>> I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead of 
>> glass like I received.
>> https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196
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Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Gordon Stam]

I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.

On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:

> FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my paint
> color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting down, but
> it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:
>
> Rivendell Atlantis Green
> Rivendell Cream
> Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
> Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
> Rivendell Jay's Green
> Rivendell Light Blue Met
> Rivendell Light Green
> Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
> Rivendell Roadeo R
> Rivendell Roadeo White
> Rivendell Sage
> Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange
>
> I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead of
> glass like I received.
> https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196
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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Brent Knepper]

Armand, you gotta do it on the platy! now that you've finished building it 
up, what a perfect chance to get some paint chips from the triple scoop

hope you can share some of the experience on here for us poor souls unable 
to get out there for the weekend

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:50:10 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> @Brian -- Haha, if by double scoop, you mean to swing by Jones' coffee for 
> some Fosselman's ice cream, I'm with you brother!!  (:
>
> @Neale -- I'll definitely be there on Sunday, and intermittently on 
> Saturday (as time permits). Kinda want to buy a Cub House hoodie, so 
> this'll be the perfect excuse to stop by. Keep me posted if you do the 
> basket ridecurrently trying to schedule childcare so I can attend.  
> /tony-crosses-fingers 
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:
>
>> I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see all of 
>> you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. Also there's 
>> a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, which should 
>> be a good time. 
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the 
>>> single scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation gain 
>>> over 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to try 
>>> the single scoop!
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop 
 in Pasadena, CA. 


 I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] FS: XTR m960 polished silver RD (rapid rise)

[John Rinker]

What are you asking for it? Got some photos?


On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:58:18 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> I have one too, so if anyone wants it, lmk.
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 7:56:42 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pending 
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:06 PM Eliot B  wrote:
>>
>>> Asking $90 OBO 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: XTR m960 polished silver RD (rapid rise)

[NYCbikeguy]

I have one too, so if anyone wants it, lmk.

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 7:56:42 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Pending 
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:06 PM Eliot B  wrote:
>
>> Asking $90 OBO 
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Re: [RBW] FS: XTR m960 polished silver RD (rapid rise)

[Eliot Balogh]

Pending

On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:06 PM Eliot B  wrote:

> Asking $90 OBO
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[RBW] Re: FS: XTR m960 polished silver RD (rapid rise)

[John Rinker]

PM sent
Cheers, John

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Asking $90 OBO

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[RBW] FS: XTR m960 polished silver RD (rapid rise)

[Eliot B]

Asking $90 OBO

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
Entirely 
comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 

Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
pending, then it depends on price and timing. 😁 


On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>
> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>
> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
> your hella colorful collection
>
> -Brent in chicago
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> This is SO fun. 
>>
>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
>> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
>> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
>> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
>> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
>> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
>> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
>> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
>> market? So far there have been none to be found…
>> L
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Me either!
>>>
>>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>>
>>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
>>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
 compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
 without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:

 [image: IMG_6222]


 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 

 Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three 
 shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike 
 and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also 
 indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely 
 in between also! 

 On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  
 wrote:

 I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to 
> album .  The album 
> includes a poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars 
> that 
> were on it when it arrived.
>
> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. 
> He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier 
> position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With 
> drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary 
> stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to 
> raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a 
> weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with 
> bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and 
> pump, is 34 po

[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Tony Lockhart]

@Brian -- Haha, if by double scoop, you mean to swing by Jones' coffee for 
some Fosselman's ice cream, I'm with you brother!!  (:

@Neale -- I'll definitely be there on Sunday, and intermittently on 
Saturday (as time permits). Kinda want to buy a Cub House hoodie, so 
this'll be the perfect excuse to stop by. Keep me posted if you do the 
basket ridecurrently trying to schedule childcare so I can attend.  
/tony-crosses-fingers 
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:

> I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see all of 
> you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. Also there's 
> a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, which should 
> be a good time. 
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the single 
>> scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation gain over 
>> 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to try the 
>> single scoop!
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop in 
>>> Pasadena, CA. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Touch-up paint

[Zac]

FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my paint 
color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting down, but 
it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:

Rivendell Atlantis Green
Rivendell Cream
Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
Rivendell Jay's Green
Rivendell Light Blue Met
Rivendell Light Green
Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
Rivendell Roadeo R
Rivendell Roadeo White
Rivendell Sage
Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange

I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead of 
glass like I received.
https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Brent Knepper]

I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride

anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)

Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
your hella colorful collection

-Brent in chicago

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> This is SO fun. 
>
> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
> market? So far there have been none to be found…
> L
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Me either!
>>
>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>
>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently 
>> on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>>
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
>>> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
>>> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
>>> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
>>> also! 
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
 .  The album includes a 
 poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on 
 it 
 when it arrived.

 Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. 
 He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier 
 position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With 
 drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary 
 stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to 
 raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a 
 weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with 
 bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and 
 pump, is 34 pounds. Some of the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and 
 and racks. I'd guess 5-6 pounds is the difference without those 
 accessories. 

 Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
 measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
 the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
 extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 

>>> 




 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Brent Knepper]

I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride

anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)

Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
your hella colorful collection

-Brent in chicago

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> This is SO fun. 
>
> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
> market? So far there have been none to be found…
> L
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Me either!
>>
>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>
>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently 
>> on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>>
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
>>> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
>>> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
>>> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
>>> also! 
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
 .  The album includes a 
 poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on 
 it 
 when it arrived.

 Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. 
 He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier 
 position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With 
 drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary 
 stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to 
 raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a 
 weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with 
 bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and 
 pump, is 34 pounds. Some of the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and 
 and racks. I'd guess 5-6 pounds is the difference without those 
 accessories. 

 Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
 measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
 the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
 extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 

>>> 




 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This is SO fun. 

Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your answers. 
Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you were, all 
this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we get to 
hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the Roadini. I 
think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated model, too) 
and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. That Roadeo 
looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great choice. 
Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used market? 
So far there have been none to be found…
L

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Me either!
>
> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>
> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently 
> on offer at a very reasonable price…
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>
>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
>> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
>> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
>> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
>> also! 
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
>>> .  The album includes a 
>>> poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it 
>>> when it arrived.
>>>
>>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He 
>>> chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. 
>>> My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar 
>>> bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over 
>>> clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up 
>>> high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps 
>>> worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 
>>> lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of 
>>> the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 
>>> pounds is the difference without those accessories. 
>>>
>>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
>>> measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
>>> 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
>>> the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
>>> extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 
>>>
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great 
 time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is 
 causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June 
 sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make 
 sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others 
 thoughts.
 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
> tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>
> Sarah
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
>> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
>> what 
>> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
>> has 
>> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
>> me 
>> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
>> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
>> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
>> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
>> info. 
>> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[P W]

Me either!I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom currently on offer at a very reasonable price…P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in that picture says go-fast club rides to me. On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between also! On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album.  The album includes a poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it when it arrived.Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 pounds is the difference without those accessories. Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others thoughts.On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. SarahOn Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the twoOn Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But it’s pretty.I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. When it all boils down, it’s this:I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell offers 2 (not coun

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely irrelevant 
to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in that 
picture says go-fast club rides to me. 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>
> [image: IMG_6222]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
> also! 
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
>> .  The album includes a 
>> poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it 
>> when it arrived.
>>
>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He 
>> chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. 
>> My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar 
>> bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over 
>> clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up 
>> high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps 
>> worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 
>> lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of 
>> the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 
>> pounds is the difference without those accessories. 
>>
>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
>> measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
>> 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
>> the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
>> extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 
>>
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great 
>>> time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is 
>>> causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June 
>>> sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make 
>>> sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others 
>>> thoughts.
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
 tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 

 Sarah

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
> what 
> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
> has 
> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
> me 
> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
> info. 
> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
> fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
> for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>
> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
> to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
> that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the 
> larger 
> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess 
> thats 
> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be 
> packed 
> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>
> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
> the two
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! 
>> But it’s pretty.
>>
>> I look forw

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Jason - Thanks! ! I love them all. It does feel to me like Grant applied 
some of his hillibike design ideas to a frame that is less stout and more 
flexy for added liveliness and fun on paved rides. I have yet to test them 
but I am fairly confident I can ride and climb faster on the Roadeo. 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:23:43 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The three shown 
> in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs into a Hillibike and the 
> CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both funny and also indicative of 
> its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure lands squarely in between 
> also! 
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link to album 
>> .  The album includes a 
>> poor quality picture of the Gallop with the albastache bars that were on it 
>> when it arrived.
>>
>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional choice. He 
>> chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to achieve a racier position. 
>> My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with my saddle. With drop-bar 
>> bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum necessary stand-over 
>> clearance to ensure I can have level bars without having to raise them up 
>> high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a weight-weenie but perhaps 
>> worth mentioning that the Roadeo as shown with bags but minus pump is 25 
>> lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus lock and pump, is 34 pounds. Some of 
>> the difference is my dynamo hub, lights, and and racks. I'd guess 5-6 
>> pounds is the difference without those accessories. 
>>
>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the link. I 
>> measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo and Gallop are 
>> 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door intersects 
>> the frame is pretty interesting.  I don't really understand how all the 
>> extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. 
>> [image: Bike Collage.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great 
>>> time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is 
>>> causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June 
>>> sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make 
>>> sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others 
>>> thoughts.
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
 tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 

 Sarah

 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
> what 
> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
> has 
> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
> me 
> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
> info. 
> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
> fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
> for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>
> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
> to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
> that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the 
> larger 
> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess 
> thats 
> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be 
> packed 
> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>
> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
> the two
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! 
>> But it’s pretty.
>>
>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in 
>> your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>
>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>> I’m looking 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Valerie Yates]

Jason -- I  have choco-moose on my CHG and I agree it is a great choice. I 
plan to add back the bar tape ahead of the levers and across the front 
(which it used to have). 

Leah is the one looking for a club ride bike.  I think the CHG is a great 
choice for someone who has had the drop-bar experience and wants something 
different or someone who just wants a fun pavement-oriented bike. For 
someone curious about riding a racy drop-bar bike in go -fast rides with 
their club friends, I am not sure that the Charlie will scratch that itch. 
To my mind, Roadini is the obvious choice for that kind of ride.  I will be 
very curious to see how this all turns out.  

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 12:59:07 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Valerie made a good point that drop bars are going to feel quite different 
> set up the way the typical club rider has versus how you could set up a Riv 
> roadie - chances are, you'll want to the bars up higher, though you may 
> find yourself lowering them if you get more serious about speed. I love 
> quill stems for making this such an easy thing to do! 
>
> And to your clarification question earlier, yes, from the geometry and 
> Grant's comments I've seen to date I'd say the Roadini is primarily a drop 
> bar bike while the CHG is primarily a swept bar bike, and while each can 
> handle the other bar type, I think you'd ultimately find it's not optimal. 
> I know that drops are the popular vote in this thread but I do think a CHG 
> set up with the Choco bar and a long stem, with bar tape ahead of the 
> levers for a more aero hand position, and bars set fairly low (just a 
> smidge above saddle height, give or take) would be a great club ride bike, 
> plenty different than your other bikes, yet more familiar feeling than 
> going to drop bars.  
>
>
>
> On Friday 10 May 2024 at 07:15:30 UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great time 
>> for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is causing 
>> me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June sometime and 
>> ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make sure to post 
>> what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others thoughts.
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and 
>>> tell!  Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
 bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what 
 that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
 has 
 said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
 me 
 that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
 the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
 things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
 geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. 
 Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
 fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
 for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.

 Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
 to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
 that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the 
 larger 
 Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
 comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
 not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
 the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be 
 packed 
 with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.

 Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
 the two
 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! 
> But it’s pretty.
>
> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>
> When it all boils down, it’s this:
> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. 
> Rivendell 
> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product 
> description 
> when the time c

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Jason Fuller]

Valerie made a good point that drop bars are going to feel quite different 
set up the way the typical club rider has versus how you could set up a Riv 
roadie - chances are, you'll want to the bars up higher, though you may 
find yourself lowering them if you get more serious about speed. I love 
quill stems for making this such an easy thing to do! 

And to your clarification question earlier, yes, from the geometry and 
Grant's comments I've seen to date I'd say the Roadini is primarily a drop 
bar bike while the CHG is primarily a swept bar bike, and while each can 
handle the other bar type, I think you'd ultimately find it's not optimal. 
I know that drops are the popular vote in this thread but I do think a CHG 
set up with the Choco bar and a long stem, with bar tape ahead of the 
levers for a more aero hand position, and bars set fairly low (just a 
smidge above saddle height, give or take) would be a great club ride bike, 
plenty different than your other bikes, yet more familiar feeling than 
going to drop bars.  



On Friday 10 May 2024 at 07:15:30 UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great time 
> for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is causing 
> me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June sometime and 
> ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make sure to post 
> what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others thoughts.
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  
>> Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
>>> and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
>>> equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
>>> that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
>>> the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
>>> wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
>>> well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
>>> pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
>>> the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
>>> still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
>>> alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>>>
>>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size 
>>> to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people 
>>> that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
>>> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
>>> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
>>> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
>>> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
>>> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>>>
>>> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
>>> the two
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
 it’s pretty.

 I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
 neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 

 When it all boils down, it’s this:
 I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
 Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. 
 Rivendell 
 offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
 lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
 better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product 
 description 
 when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
 and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 

 Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep 
 it coming!
 L

 On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:

 You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the 
 tire clearance is actually massive!”


 😂

 For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source 
 of inspiration than Will’s:

 


 See also:


 <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
  
 Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating 
 @rivbike" 
 

Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Wes, I'll look forward to seeing photos of that! I'm confused about 
your swap- you want country gravel or I80? 

Hey Michael, Urban NYC must require a whole different set of skills than 
cruising around the desert on trails or rivers. Here's a link to a GaiaGPS 
track with a few more  photos of the paddle. Another cool feature of this 
paddle is a herd of wild horses (mustangs) that come to the river to drink. 
I saw a small group of 15 or so and more solitary ones along the way. 
Apparently, they are descended from the Spanish horses set free in the 
1600s. You probably don't see too many of those in Central Park! 

Salt River Deux 

I'll shoot a photo of the bike loaded with the raft when I paddle again on 
Monday. 

Cheers, John
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:30:14 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> That looks incredible. More pictures and details please! It's the exact 
> opposite of my normal bike rides (urban NYC).
>
> M
>  
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:52:37 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
>> “inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
>> ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
>> interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
>>> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>>>
>>> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls 
 into a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In 
 addition to the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a 
 photo of the bike with the raft on it!

 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat 
> fold up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>
> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio 
> Grande and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation 
> trail 
> to various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors 
> have 
> a couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hey Sue, 
>>
>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a 
>> few years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any 
>> other raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track 
>> much 
>> better. 
>>
>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
>> straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and 
>> stable. 
>> If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
>> river, 
>> I'd think twice. 
>>
>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>
>>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no 
>>> bike in the bow. Did you give that a try?
>>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
>>> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>>>
>>> Sue
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>>
 Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.

 Curtis

 On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall 
> bike and 
> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>
> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
> Cheers, John
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Keith Weaver]

I'll add some bicycle content by saying I think it's great if one is able
to change up what bikes you have, based on your current riding desires and
ability. I hope someone steps up and buys Joe's beautiful bike!

A bit more off-topic motorcycle content: I recently sold my V-Strom 650 as
I didn't find myself riding it anymore. The biggest excitement of the sale
was the additional space in my garage! I find I want to spend my free time
on my bicycle(s) more than on a moto. Also, all my moto friends sold
theirs, so it became a more solitary pursuit. I have been thinking about a
Yamaha XT 250, but that may remain a distant "want" for a while longer.

Cheers,
Keith

On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 7:45 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Main ways it differs (geometry aside because that is above my pay grade),
> this one has canti studs for V, mini-v, or canti brakes. This one is 135
> spaced in the rear I cant remember if the production gallop is 130 or 135.
> The Gallop top tube hits the seat stay a touch higher and uses a lug there
> vs the filet braze. This custom one appears to have downtube shifter bosses
> (nice). Probably slighty lighter tubes but who knows. Thats about all I
> could tell from the photos.
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:57:47 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Joe - Thanks for the additional pictures and info.  It is a lovely and
>> interesting bike that sounds like a fun ride. I wonder how it compares to
>> the upcoming Gallop. I am curious but it is out of my price range at
>> present.
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, I found pics with the 7-spd stuff!
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064218.jpg]
>>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064229.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:40:44 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screenshot_20240509_063907.jpg][image:
 Screenshot_20240509_063951.jpg]

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:16:25 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Valerie! I'm posting the geometry/tubing mockup Riv sent me which
> hopefully will answer some questions, I still need to get a current photo
> set put together this weekend.
>
> The tubing is on the lighter side, I would say somewhere between
> Roadeo and Roadini; I've never ridden a Sam so can't compare to that one.
>
> It's long and feels it. At my weight (175 now, closer to 200 for most
> of the time I've owned it) it has a slight suspension-like ride which is
> amazingly comfortable.
>
> Saddle height in pics is 69cm. I'll get more information and pics for
> you soon.
>
> [image: Screenshot_20221117_163140.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:05:35 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe! I am as surprised as everyone  and also impressed how you are
>> constantly assessing what works for you and where you want to be. I would
>> love to see more pics, including the current drivetrain, the handlebar 
>> stem
>> area, and the seatpost with height measurement without a bag on it. I 
>> love
>> the idea of a fatter tired road-oriented drop tube bike. Is the tubing 
>> like
>> Roadini or more like Sam (more stout)? Is the length like Roadini or is 
>> it
>> one of the longer models? From the pic, it looks possibly similar in 
>> shape
>> to the new Gallop but the tubing and length look more traditional (apart
>> from, the snazzy drop tube and high-viz handlebars). What does it feel 
>> like
>> to ride compared to your other Rivs? At my lower weight than yours, I
>> wonder if this would be a good gravel/climbing bike (slot currently 
>> filled
>> by a 53 Atlantis, old style).
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> If the Clem satisfies your needs I understand why you'd sell the
>>> custom. Life throws curve balls at times and forces us to make hard
>>> decisions. So, no second guessing here from me. Just be careful riding a
>>> motorcycle! I love two wheels but not at 60+ mph. :)
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:56:53 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>>
 If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll
 have to listen to it ;)

 When you ride it, it's a custom.
 To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.

 Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals.
 Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just
 sitting there.

 cheers -mathias


 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with
> so there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem
> would be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure 
> it
> would

[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Neale S.]

I did the double scoop last year on my Atlantis! Would love to see all of 
you there again next weekend. The vibe is usually impeccable. Also there's 
a special Thursday-night basket ride with the Blue Lug folks, which should 
be a good time. 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the single 
> scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation gain over 
> 27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to try the 
> single scoop!
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop in 
>> Pasadena, CA. 
>>
>>
>> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Brian Cunningham]

Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the single 
scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation gain over 
27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to try the 
single scoop!

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop in 
> Pasadena, CA. 
>
>
> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA 
>

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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Ted Durant]

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop in 
Pasadena, CA. 


I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Barlow Pass 700x38 tires

[exliontamer]

$OLD

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:26:43 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Very light use. $100 shipped to the lower 48
> [image: IMG_5634.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5638.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Johnny Alien]

Main ways it differs (geometry aside because that is above my pay grade), 
this one has canti studs for V, mini-v, or canti brakes. This one is 135 
spaced in the rear I cant remember if the production gallop is 130 or 135. 
The Gallop top tube hits the seat stay a touch higher and uses a lug there 
vs the filet braze. This custom one appears to have downtube shifter bosses 
(nice). Probably slighty lighter tubes but who knows. Thats about all I 
could tell from the photos.

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:57:47 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Joe - Thanks for the additional pictures and info.  It is a lovely and 
> interesting bike that sounds like a fun ride. I wonder how it compares to 
> the upcoming Gallop. I am curious but it is out of my price range at 
> present. 
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hey, I found pics with the 7-spd stuff! 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064218.jpg]
>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064229.jpg]
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:40:44 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_063907.jpg][image: 
>>> Screenshot_20240509_063951.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:16:25 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Hi Valerie! I'm posting the geometry/tubing mockup Riv sent me which 
 hopefully will answer some questions, I still need to get a current photo 
 set put together this weekend. 

 The tubing is on the lighter side, I would say somewhere between Roadeo 
 and Roadini; I've never ridden a Sam so can't compare to that one. 

 It's long and feels it. At my weight (175 now, closer to 200 for most 
 of the time I've owned it) it has a slight suspension-like ride which is 
 amazingly comfortable. 

 Saddle height in pics is 69cm. I'll get more information and pics for 
 you soon. 

 [image: Screenshot_20221117_163140.jpg]

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:05:35 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Hi Joe! I am as surprised as everyone  and also impressed how you are 
> constantly assessing what works for you and where you want to be. I would 
> love to see more pics, including the current drivetrain, the handlebar 
> stem 
> area, and the seatpost with height measurement without a bag on it. I 
> love 
> the idea of a fatter tired road-oriented drop tube bike. Is the tubing 
> like 
> Roadini or more like Sam (more stout)? Is the length like Roadini or is 
> it 
> one of the longer models? From the pic, it looks possibly similar in 
> shape 
> to the new Gallop but the tubing and length look more traditional (apart 
> from, the snazzy drop tube and high-viz handlebars). What does it feel 
> like 
> to ride compared to your other Rivs? At my lower weight than yours, I 
> wonder if this would be a good gravel/climbing bike (slot currently 
> filled 
> by a 53 Atlantis, old style). 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> If the Clem satisfies your needs I understand why you'd sell the 
>> custom. Life throws curve balls at times and forces us to make hard 
>> decisions. So, no second guessing here from me. Just be careful riding a 
>> motorcycle! I love two wheels but not at 60+ mph. :)
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:56:53 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll have 
>>> to listen to it ;)
>>>
>>> When you ride it, it's a custom.
>>> To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.
>>>
>>> Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals. 
>>> Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just sitting 
>>> there.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Bill, 

 I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with 
 so there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem 
 would be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure 
 it 
 would be worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love 
 the 
 color and its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had 
 known in 
 2018 what my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I 
 would heve just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 🤷

 Joe Bernard 

 On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind 
> and sell the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A 
> Rivendell custom is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you. 
>  A 
> Clem is fungible.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El 

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Diana H]

Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at a great time 
for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this whole thread is causing 
me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go to Riv in June sometime and 
ask them all the questions about Roadini vs CHG. I'll make sure to post 
what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and read others thoughts.
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  
> Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 
>
> Sarah
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
>> and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
>> equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
>> that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
>> the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
>> wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
>> well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
>> pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
>> the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
>> still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
>> alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>>
>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to 
>> fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that 
>> way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
>> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
>> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
>> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
>> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
>> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>>
>> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the 
>> two
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
>>> it’s pretty.
>>>
>>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
>>> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>>
>>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
>>> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell 
>>> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
>>> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
>>> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description 
>>> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
>>> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>>>
>>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep 
>>> it coming!
>>> L
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire 
>>> clearance is actually massive!”
>>>
>>>
>>> 😂
>>>
>>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source 
>>> of inspiration than Will’s:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> See also:
>>>
>>>
>>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>>>  
>>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike" 
>>> 
>>> Watch and share reels with friends 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
>>> skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression.  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Valerie Yates]

Joe - Thanks for the additional pictures and info.  It is a lovely and 
interesting bike that sounds like a fun ride. I wonder how it compares to 
the upcoming Gallop. I am curious but it is out of my price range at 
present. 
On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hey, I found pics with the 7-spd stuff! 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064218.jpg]
> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064229.jpg]
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:40:44 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_063907.jpg][image: 
>> Screenshot_20240509_063951.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:16:25 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Valerie! I'm posting the geometry/tubing mockup Riv sent me which 
>>> hopefully will answer some questions, I still need to get a current photo 
>>> set put together this weekend. 
>>>
>>> The tubing is on the lighter side, I would say somewhere between Roadeo 
>>> and Roadini; I've never ridden a Sam so can't compare to that one. 
>>>
>>> It's long and feels it. At my weight (175 now, closer to 200 for most of 
>>> the time I've owned it) it has a slight suspension-like ride which is 
>>> amazingly comfortable. 
>>>
>>> Saddle height in pics is 69cm. I'll get more information and pics for 
>>> you soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20221117_163140.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:05:35 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>
 Hi Joe! I am as surprised as everyone  and also impressed how you are 
 constantly assessing what works for you and where you want to be. I would 
 love to see more pics, including the current drivetrain, the handlebar 
 stem 
 area, and the seatpost with height measurement without a bag on it. I love 
 the idea of a fatter tired road-oriented drop tube bike. Is the tubing 
 like 
 Roadini or more like Sam (more stout)? Is the length like Roadini or is it 
 one of the longer models? From the pic, it looks possibly similar in shape 
 to the new Gallop but the tubing and length look more traditional (apart 
 from, the snazzy drop tube and high-viz handlebars). What does it feel 
 like 
 to ride compared to your other Rivs? At my lower weight than yours, I 
 wonder if this would be a good gravel/climbing bike (slot currently filled 
 by a 53 Atlantis, old style). 

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> If the Clem satisfies your needs I understand why you'd sell the 
> custom. Life throws curve balls at times and forces us to make hard 
> decisions. So, no second guessing here from me. Just be careful riding a 
> motorcycle! I love two wheels but not at 60+ mph. :)
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:56:53 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll have 
>> to listen to it ;)
>>
>> When you ride it, it's a custom.
>> To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.
>>
>> Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals. 
>> Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just sitting 
>> there.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, 
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with so 
>>> there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem 
>>> would 
>>> be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure it 
>>> would be 
>>> worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love the color 
>>> and 
>>> its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had known in 2018 
>>> what 
>>> my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I would heve 
>>> just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 🤷
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind 
 and sell the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A 
 Rivendell custom is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  
 A 
 Clem is fungible.  

 Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Tony Lockhart]

Gonna be an amazing weekend, especially since the people from Blue Lug are 
headed out. Armand, I don't have the legs/lungs to do 10K of climbing but 
I'll be cheering you on at rollout on Saturday. I hope you have a great 
ride.

I'm looking forward to the swap meet and car show. Fun times!

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:28:41 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings all! 
>
> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop in 
> Pasadena, CA. A mixed terrain ride May 18th with 27, 38, and 62 mile 
> options. Lots and lots of climbing for all of them. Bike and car show the 
> next day on Sunday! 
>
> Details Here: https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/ 
>
> Anyone else planning on going?
>
> I just signed up, will aim for the full route, 10,000ft and all. I'm 
> likely going to ride my hardtail mountain bike, as I'm trying to dial it in 
> for an upcoming international tour. However, I am considering putting some 
> knobbies on my Platypus and seeing how it handles such a demanding route. 
> Plus it's just always fun to pass people in kits on fancy drop-bar bikes 
> with an odd-ball bike. :) 
>
> [image: f75dc4c4-2759-4626-e323-539ba7231d5e.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Sarah Carlson]

Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love show and tell!  
Thank you for your posts which I have started looking forward to. 

Sarah

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
> and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
> equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
> that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
> the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
> wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
> well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
> pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
> the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
> still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
> alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>
> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to 
> fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that 
> way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
> Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>
> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the 
> two
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
>> it’s pretty.
>>
>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
>> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>
>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
>> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell 
>> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
>> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
>> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description 
>> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
>> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>>
>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep 
>> it coming!
>> L
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire 
>> clearance is actually massive!”
>>
>>
>> 😂
>>
>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source of 
>> inspiration than Will’s:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> See also:
>>
>>
>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>>  
>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike" 
>> 
>> Watch and share reels with friends 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>  
>> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
>> skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom, 62.5cm

[ssimarsawhney]

Sure! I just measured it at 23.5", or somewhere around 59.5cm. 

i agree this is an interesting bike. I'm also a long legs, short torso 
rider so its pretty interesting this bike worked for me. I ride it pretty 
often - its been my default bike for quick, fast rides and I've even 
rando-ed on it. The whole time i had it, i thought it was a 60cm! I usually 
set my saddle height and other touch points by feel. 

Best,
SImar 

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:05:59 AM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Simar,
>
> That's an interesting bike...half a world away from Michigan.
> The build sheet shows the owner as not that tall but with long legs -- 72" 
> and 89 PBH.
>
> You at 5'9 had to get a little creative with the stem, but the picture in 
> the ad shows you remarkably upright on such a tall frame.
>
> Could you please tell us the top tube length measured center-to-center?
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:10:11 PM UTC-4 ssimar@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Also, here is the build sheet. Let me know if you have any questions! 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:08:21 PM UTC-7 ssimarsawhney wrote:
>>
>>> For sale is my 2003 62.5cm Rivendell Road Custom. Looking for $2200 
>>> plus shipping (if not local to SF Bay).
>>>
>>> [image: riv road.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I acquired this last year from the original owner who hadn’t ridden it 
>>> much. It’s painted by Joe Bell and features some incredible lugs. I’ve 
>>> changed a few things and ridden it since, but it’s still in excellent 
>>> condition. 
>>>
>>> More images can be found in the craigslist post:
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-60cm-rivendell-road-custom/7745261610.html
>>>
>>> Bike has a lot of nice parts. Only things you don’t get to keep are the 
>>> pedals, saddle, cages and basket (rack is included). Some highlights:
>>>
>>> - Ritchey logic crankset, 44/34
>>> - Mavic Open Pro rims laced to Chris King hubs (32h)
>>> - Chris King 2-nut headset
>>> - Rapid rise Shimano Deore derailleur
>>> - Discord components 0mm stem
>>> - Nitto RM3 handlebars
>>> - Nitto seat post
>>> - Soma 700x38c tires
>>> - TRP RRL drilled levers
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Simar 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Snake-in-a-bike

[Allan McLane]

That python was probably just attracted to the handlebar tape!

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:05:40 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> That is remarkable.
> Thanks for capturing and sharing the pics.
>
> I first saw this pic years ago during the time I did a few bicycle tours.
>
> As I recall someone was touring in Indonesia and one morning was shocked 
> to find this critter checking out their touring bike.
>
> How would you go about shooing that beast away so you could begin the days 
> ride?
>
> Paul in Dallas 
> liam_box on instagram 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Johnny Alien]

I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback bars 
and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure what that 
equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant has said 
that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells me that 
the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely the 
wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those things 
well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end geometry is 
pretty similar to the production model we would get some info. Points for 
the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go fast bike that 
still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit for an 
alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.

Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger size to 
fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer people that 
way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to the larger 
Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess thats 
not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be packed 
with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.

Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between the 
two
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But 
> it’s pretty.
>
> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your 
> neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>
> When it all boils down, it’s this:
> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell 
> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is 
> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description 
> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat 
> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>
> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep it 
> coming!
> L
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>
> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire 
> clearance is actually massive!”
>
>
> 😂
>
> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source of 
> inspiration than Will’s:
>
> 
>
>
> See also:
>
>
> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>  
> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike" 
> 
> Watch and share reels with friends 
> 
> 
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>  
> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for 
> skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Michael Morrissey]

That looks incredible. More pictures and details please! It's the exact 
opposite of my normal bike rides (urban NYC).

M
 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:52:37 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
> “inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
> ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
> interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
> -Wes
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
>> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>>
>> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into 
>>> a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
>>> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
>>> bike with the raft on it!
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat 
 fold up small enought to be carried on a rack?

 I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio 
 Grande and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation 
 trail 
 to various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have 
 a couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
 points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
 one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
 rode his bike back north to get his car.

 On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hey Sue, 
>
> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
> years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other 
> raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track 
> much 
> better. 
>
> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
> straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. 
> If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
> river, 
> I'd think twice. 
>
> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>
>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike 
>> in the bow. Did you give that a try?
>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
>> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>>
>> Sue
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
 maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
 [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
 I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
 shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
 expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
 and 
 body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
 [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
 If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!

 [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
 Cheers, John

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Leah Peterson]

Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! But it’s pretty.I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. When it all boils down, it’s this:I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. Rivendell offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one is better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product description when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to chat and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. Keep it coming!LOn May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the tire clearance is actually massive!”😂For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better source of inspiration than Will’s:See also:<441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating @rivbike"Watch and share reels with friendsP. W.~(917) 514-2207~On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote: Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is not just for skinny tires. But all the rest fits with my impression. 



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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom, 62.5cm

[Mathias Steiner]

Hi Simar,

That's an interesting bike...half a world away from Michigan.
The build sheet shows the owner as not that tall but with long legs -- 72" 
and 89 PBH.

You at 5'9 had to get a little creative with the stem, but the picture in 
the ad shows you remarkably upright on such a tall frame.

Could you please tell us the top tube length measured center-to-center?

cheers -mathias

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:10:11 PM UTC-4 ssimar@gmail.com wrote:

> Also, here is the build sheet. Let me know if you have any questions! 
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:08:21 PM UTC-7 ssimarsawhney wrote:
>
>> For sale is my 2003 62.5cm Rivendell Road Custom. Looking for $2200 plus 
>> shipping (if not local to SF Bay).
>>
>> [image: riv road.jpeg]
>>
>> I acquired this last year from the original owner who hadn’t ridden it 
>> much. It’s painted by Joe Bell and features some incredible lugs. I’ve 
>> changed a few things and ridden it since, but it’s still in excellent 
>> condition. 
>>
>> More images can be found in the craigslist post:
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-60cm-rivendell-road-custom/7745261610.html
>>
>> Bike has a lot of nice parts. Only things you don’t get to keep are the 
>> pedals, saddle, cages and basket (rack is included). Some highlights:
>>
>> - Ritchey logic crankset, 44/34
>> - Mavic Open Pro rims laced to Chris King hubs (32h)
>> - Chris King 2-nut headset
>> - Rapid rise Shimano Deore derailleur
>> - Discord components 0mm stem
>> - Nitto RM3 handlebars
>> - Nitto seat post
>> - Soma 700x38c tires
>> - TRP RRL drilled levers
>>
>> Best,
>> Simar 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Garth]

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On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:21:41 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> More great points, thanks!
>
> Some responses:
> - I would convert my Salsa Fargo to drop bar.  It has Apex 1x drivetrain, 
> and there is an inexpensive MTB shifter that works well, plus this bike is 
> designed with drops and flat/swept in mind
> - I'm liking the look of the Albatross bar, not too extreme (walk before 
> you can run!)
> - I agree Bill that diet is important, and while mine is generally quite 
> good, on a bad eating evening/day, the next day or later day ride does 
> suffer (that includes if I had a beer, which doesn't work for me close to a 
> ride, let alone on one...though it did last year on a 3-day tour, so who 
> knows!)
> - I also agree re: mental health, however, sometimes a ride greatly helps 
> my mental health, so it's often worth the trade off (if I'm a bit sore, but 
> that's not often case after a stressful time in my life)
> - I like a lot of things about drop bars, but I feel like trying something 
> different, and with the Fargo being like a drop bar mountain bike, I 
> thought it would be a good candidate for convert
>
> I went for a ride at lunch today.  Just 75 minutes.  I focused on keeping 
> my pelvis upright/straight, and having my upper back/etc tip over a bit, 
> vs. tilting from the pelvis (bike fitter I spoke to recently called this 
> being like asparagus coming out of the microwave, trunk is solid, top folds 
> over a bit, make sense?).  I was on the Roadini and the hoods are above the 
> bars, and the shallow drop to the drops is comfortable and I felt good as I 
> moved hand positions, not tilting too much forward.  Was a bind windy on 
> the way back and did feel that space between my shoulder blades tightening 
> a bit, but no worse than a 2/10 on the pain scale.
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:30:15 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Quick thought regarding drop bars in response to LuckTurnip:
>>
>> Almost all of my bikes have drop bars. I have one bike with Soma’s 
>> “Oxford” bars (a milder version of theAlbatross?) and a Brompton with a 
>> straight handlebar to which I added forward-facing grip extensions.
>>
>> On my bikes with drop bars, I ride probably 99% of the time on the tops, 
>> usually with my hands wrapped around the brake hoods. I find that 
>> comfortable and it gives me easy access to the brake levers. 
>>
>> I spend the other 1% of my time in the drops because I’m not concerned 
>> about aerodynamics. There are plenty of things slowing me down, and 
>> assuming an aero posture isn’t going to do anything about most of those.
>>
>> This is of course personal preference, but I like the way drop bars look. 
>> I have several classic bikes (Alex Singer, Cinelli, Masi) that were set up 
>> with drop bars and which, I think, would look kinda dumb with upright bars. 
>> Kind of like a Rambouillet with a polo seat and sissy bar (although some 
>> might really like that look).
>>
>> Ride what you want and pick the bike/seat/handlebars that make you feel 
>> comfortable. But don’t assume that drop bars are going to force you into am 
>> uncomfortable, crouched posture. 
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 11:00 AM, lucky...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Fellow older person here. I have avoided owning a “fast bike” for years 
>> due to drops killin’ me, but I recently acquired this sporty XO-1 and the 
>> Albatross bar is perfect for it! I might not actually be fast but I *feel* 
>> fast now (compared to my racked and fat-tired Atlantis) so that’s really 
>> what matters. Albatross is the GOAT. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> On May 9, 2024, at 09:50, Wesley  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jay,
>> I'll second what's been said here and by Rivendell: the Albatross is the 
>> swept-back bar that is least radical / closest to a drop bar.
>>
>> I first put an Albatross bar on a bike of mine in 2007 and have kept them 
>> on at least one bike ever since. Unlike the other swept-back bars that Riv 
>> sells, they have a great hand position that is slightly forward of the stem 
>> clamp (demonstrated here): 
>> 
>>
>>
>> It's comfy for long hours on the bike. Like you, I find flat bars 
>> uncomfortable (they pain my wrists). With Albatross bars, my wrist position 
>> feels neutral and natural, a lot like on the lever tops on drop bars. The 
>> Albatross bar is on my everyday bike, with the drop bar road bike being 
>> used only when I want a lighter bike.
>> -Wes 
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
>>> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
>>> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
>>> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
>>> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
>>> be a good option for just cr