[RBW] Re: First ride on Clem

[Joe Bernard]

It's a perfect bicycle. I have a Riv Custom and I can't say my Clem is *better, 
*but it's such a wonderful bike that sometimes I prefer riding it. It does 
a relaxed "just look around and enjoy" thing that's hard to explain if you 
haven't ridden one. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-7 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Incredible. Thing glides! So stoked 
>
> Franco Rinaldi 
> c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>
> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
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[RBW] First ride on Clem

[Franco Rinaldi]

Incredible. Thing glides! So stoked 

Franco Rinaldi 
c:  646.403.0661 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto stem and bars, Schwalbe tires

[Calvin Yolo]

Wavie and Faceplayer taken


Stems:
26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60

Bars:
26.0/40cm Nitto Noodle - $40

Tires:
650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair

Prices include shipping. Can work out a lower price if you want to pick it 
up or combine items.
On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:19:22 PM UTC-7 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> PM sent
>
> On Thursday 13 June 2024 at 10:33:46 UTC-5 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> Stems:
>> 26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
>> 26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60
>> 25.4/8.5cm Nitto TIG FacePlater (CR60-3T) - $100
>>
>> Bars:
>> 25.4/66cm Nitto Wavie - $100
>> 26.0/40cm Nitto Noodle - $40
>>
>> Tires:
>> 650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair
>>
>> My 53cm Lugged Susie in Sergio green is still for sale too, $1800 shipped 
>> or $100 off if you pick it up.
>>
>> Prices include shipping. Can work out a lower price if you want to pick 
>> it up or combine items.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Summer off-road riding

[danielle da cruz]

Hey Max,It’s super close, right next door in Belmont. Rock Meadow - it is really beautiful. I walk my dogs here everyday and see deer, coyotes, and usually a bike or two.Cambridge Bicycle is my home shop! They have the best vibe around and have always been incredibly helpful. I hadn’t seen they are organizing a camp out and would have loved to join! Unfortunately I’ll be camping at Acadia next week. Do you ever do any of their Sunday rides? I’ve been meaning to get to one and would love to hear what you think if you’ve done one. On Jun 13, 2024, at 5:28 PM, maxcr  wrote:That's amazing Danielle, looks beautiful! Where is it?I'm hoping to go on the Swift Campout next weekend. It's organized by Cambridge Bicycles - if you don't know them, they are a great group of people and true bike enthusiasts that embrace the Just Ride mentality.MaxOn Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:Danielle, I can’t think of a better complement for a bike ride than “I felt seven again”.  Your reconfiguration makes me want to reconsider my devotion to N = 1 bike. And matching orange bikes with your boy is quite special. Thanks for sharing, Dustin in VAOn Jun 13, 2024, at 4:57 PM, danielle da cruz  wrote:I've been favoring my Roadini since it arrived last October and realized that I needed to repurpose my former commuter Cheviot. The Roadini is sporty, sprightly, and makes me feel cool on my commute so I decided to try the Cheviot off-road for the summer. I lost the fenders and traded the Chev's Compass Loup Loups (38mm) for some Ultradynamico 48s (Rosé up front and Cava in the back). I've never been trail riding around the Boston-area and wouldn't have sought it out before feeling these tires float over rocks, roots, and more. Today is the first day of summer vacation for my seven year old and the inaugural ride with the Chev's new shoes...we even ran into other sheep in the field. Spectacular morning on bikes, I felt seven again myself :)  



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Re: [RBW] Summer off-road riding

[danielle da cruz]

Couldn’t agree more, Dustin! Riding for me is about recapturing that first taste of speed and freedom I felt when I got on my first bike. It is the greatest feeling to find that again :)On Jun 13, 2024, at 5:11 PM, D D  wrote:Danielle, I can’t think of a better complement for a bike ride than “I felt seven again”.  Your reconfiguration makes me want to reconsider my devotion to N = 1 bike. And matching orange bikes with your boy is quite special. Thanks for sharing, Dustin in VAOn Jun 13, 2024, at 4:57 PM, danielle da cruz  wrote:I've been favoring my Roadini since it arrived last October and realized that I needed to repurpose my former commuter Cheviot. The Roadini is sporty, sprightly, and makes me feel cool on my commute so I decided to try the Cheviot off-road for the summer. I lost the fenders and traded the Chev's Compass Loup Loups (38mm) for some Ultradynamico 48s (Rosé up front and Cava in the back). I've never been trail riding around the Boston-area and wouldn't have sought it out before feeling these tires float over rocks, roots, and more. Today is the first day of summer vacation for my seven year old and the inaugural ride with the Chev's new shoes...we even ran into other sheep in the field. Spectacular morning on bikes, I felt seven again myself :)  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto stem and bars, Schwalbe tires

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

PM sent

On Thursday 13 June 2024 at 10:33:46 UTC-5 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> Stems:
> 26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
> 26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60
> 25.4/8.5cm Nitto TIG FacePlater (CR60-3T) - $100
>
> Bars:
> 25.4/66cm Nitto Wavie - $100
> 26.0/40cm Nitto Noodle - $40
>
> Tires:
> 650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair
>
> My 53cm Lugged Susie in Sergio green is still for sale too, $1800 shipped 
> or $100 off if you pick it up.
>
> Prices include shipping. Can work out a lower price if you want to pick it 
> up or combine items.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Chester]

J Schwartz wrote:

Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
stem 
 
with only 25mm on extension.  


Sorry, below is off topic, but good luck on getting things dialed in with a 
Losco.

This all reminded me of coming across a picture of one of the Wright 
Brothers' bicycles that is in the Smithsonian National Air & Space Museum:

https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/52387315912af98bcb12fojpg

Saw it in a Reddit thread...

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/comments/1d8n0ls/original_wright_brothersbuilt_bicycle_1_of_only_5/

...with one of the comments highlighting a couple stems that Analog Cycles 
sells, with some commentary of prevailing geometry at the time the Wrights 
made bikes:

https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem

Chester
SF Bay Area
 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Chester]

Jay wrote:

That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.


With the Clem L I bought, there was a weird defect in the hex nut, with it 
having extra metal material inside the donut hole, ruining/covering up some 
of the threads, and this ruined the initial threads of the bolt, as well, 
so there was no way to tighten the seat clamp with the bolt/nut pair it 
came with. 

Sorted it out after a couple trips to the local Ace Hardware and their 
Drawers o' Fasteners. They didn't have quite the right length (I had to get 
longer) so I didn't note the length of what I got, but ended up with M6 and 
thread pitch of 1 as well.

Turns out that the Clem Complete page specifies "It uses standard hardware 
store bolt (M6 x 22) and a 10mm hex nut." The Roadini page suggests that 
one could use M5 as well.

I ride the Clem sometimes and have been meaning to try to find a 
countersunk washer that is small enough diameter to fit inside but is yet 
tall enough that I could use a quick release and not scratch up the paint 
of the seat binder.

Chester
SF Bay Area

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Re: [RBW] Summer off-road riding

[maxcr]

That's amazing Danielle, looks beautiful! Where is it?

I'm hoping to go on the Swift Campout 

 next 
weekend. It's organized by Cambridge Bicycles - if you don't know them, 
they are a great group of people and true bike enthusiasts that embrace the 
Just Ride mentality.

Max

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:

> Danielle, 
>
> I can’t think of a better complement for a bike ride than “I felt seven 
> again”.  Your reconfiguration makes me want to reconsider my devotion to N 
> = 1 bike. And matching orange bikes with your boy is quite special. 
>
> Thanks for sharing, 
> Dustin in VA
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 4:57 PM, danielle da cruz  
> wrote:
>
> I've been favoring my Roadini since it arrived last October and realized 
> that I needed to repurpose my former commuter Cheviot. The Roadini is 
> sporty, sprightly, and makes me feel cool on my commute so I decided to try 
> the Cheviot off-road for the summer. I lost the fenders and traded the 
> Chev's Compass Loup Loups (38mm) for some Ultradynamico 48s (Rosé up front 
> and Cava in the back). I've never been trail riding around the Boston-area 
> and wouldn't have sought it out before feeling these tires float over 
> rocks, roots, and more. Today is the first day of summer vacation for my 
> seven year old and the inaugural ride with the Chev's new shoes...we even 
> ran into other sheep in the field. Spectacular morning on bikes, I felt 
> seven again myself :)  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Summer off-road riding

[D D]

Danielle, I can’t think of a better complement for a bike ride than “I felt seven again”.  Your reconfiguration makes me want to reconsider my devotion to N = 1 bike. And matching orange bikes with your boy is quite special. Thanks for sharing, Dustin in VAOn Jun 13, 2024, at 4:57 PM, danielle da cruz  wrote:I've been favoring my Roadini since it arrived last October and realized that I needed to repurpose my former commuter Cheviot. The Roadini is sporty, sprightly, and makes me feel cool on my commute so I decided to try the Cheviot off-road for the summer. I lost the fenders and traded the Chev's Compass Loup Loups (38mm) for some Ultradynamico 48s (Rosé up front and Cava in the back). I've never been trail riding around the Boston-area and wouldn't have sought it out before feeling these tires float over rocks, roots, and more. Today is the first day of summer vacation for my seven year old and the inaugural ride with the Chev's new shoes...we even ran into other sheep in the field. Spectacular morning on bikes, I felt seven again myself :)  



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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[tio ryan]

Thanks Michael! I must have missed that when I got unsubscribed from the 
email list. Assuming it's the mustard 

 
and silver 

 
from those Blue Lug images, this will be a tough choice. 

Tio "mustard-curious" Ryan 


On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:42:01 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> From the 4/26 email newsletter-
> The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
> Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get 
> whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in mind 
> that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned down 
> but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's dusty 
> and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, but if 
> you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody who's on or 
> even near the fence to get one.
>
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Re: [RBW] Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Keith Paugh]

Great looking bike!What wheels do you have on there?k.On Jun 13, 2024, at 5:47 AM, J Schwartz  wrote:Seeking guidance here on stem length.I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust stem with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have an 85mm one of those already on-hand.pics show the location of bars and how far they come backthank youJS



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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Tim Bantham]

Jason, If you think you might want to test out several different stem 
lengths with a threaded to threadless adapters let me know. I have a Nitto 
version of this adapter in my parts bin that I could mail down for you to 
try. I could pick it back up the next time I see you. Hit me up if that is 
a route you end up taking. Unforunately all of my threadless stems are 31.8 
so I couldn't be much help in that department. 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:47:45 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello JS,
>
> In this case, switching to the losco bar which have no forward sweep and 
> have a lot of back sweep, it maybe a good idea to follow Will's advice to 
> use an adapter stem, 1 to 1 1/8 and then try different thread less stems 
> until you dial in the extension to your liking. Details were in this news 
> letter:
>
> https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=ad1569fa93a2ab2374ead2fde&id=bec688021e
>
> FWIW, Velo Orange is having a sale on silver thread less stems which I've 
> used in the past and think look very nice. The stems with 6 degree rise can 
> be mounted upside down to be 0 rise.
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/threadless-stem-25-4
>
> Good luck,
> JohnS
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 11:44:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'd try the Face Plater first, you'll know pretty quick how much further 
>> forward you'll need those very-different-from-stache bars. Fortunately the 
>> Face Plater is open clamp so you can test mount without scratching things 
>> up. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:47:16 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
>>> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
>>> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
>>> stem 
>>>  
>>> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
>>> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
>>> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
>>> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
>>> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
>>> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
>>> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>>>
>>> thank you
>>> JS
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Ripton Men's Shorts Size 32

[Conway Bennett]

Fastest sale ever.

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:28:23 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:

> I bought the shorts linked below in the Spring, and they are too big and 
> too stretchy for my palette--I think that the waists feel more like a 33 or 
> 34.  The canvas hunter shorts have been worn and washed once, and the black 
> diesel jorts are new with tags.  I will sell both for $85 net-to-me, 
> shipped.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WwTZ3ojDNNxjp7mo8
>
>
> - Conway 
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Re: [RBW] Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

RidewithGPS has a great library of rides that you can load onto your bike
computer and will give you turn by turn instructions. China Camp/Tiburon is
great--especially if you don't want too much climbing but get some great
scenic views of the bay and some nice food in Tiburon.

Piaw's ride in the Headlands should be considered (the hill up Conzelman
Rd. is worth it!) in part because the best view of San Francisco is from
this ride.  You look down onto the bridge and city from an old army gun
bunker (or whatever you call it).  A lot of times you may not see the city,
but the bridge is sunny and poking out of the fog and that is just as
beautiful.
https://www.oursausalito.com/marin-headlands-and-ggnra/battery-spencer-golden-gate-bridge.html

Railroad grade up Mt. Tam is nice too, the only thing to watch out for is
traffic as it can get congested during the weekends.  I usually descend the
railroad grade and go up the fire road (very doable with any bike, but I
recommend 30 mm tires or wider).  I can give you GPS data on that ride too
(if desired)--the special treat in addition to the views is a stop at the
"pancake place" as I call it.  West point inn.  Here's a writeup from a
hiker, but you can see all the bikes there.  (No road bikes pictured, but
there is a kiddy Mtn bike, so you know it can't be too hard :).)

https://trailsandsummits.com/pancake-hike/

Toshi in Oakland, CA

On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 7:52 AM  wrote:

> Thanks John, I need to get Strava. My son just got an app called Ride With
> GPS. I need to level up my tech game in any case!
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 07:49, John Dewey  wrote:
>
> 
> Liz, I live in Marin and 2nd China Camp and also Paradise loop.
>
> But some of the areas closer to you near Petaluma and Windsor are more
> rural.
>
> You can find lots of options exploring Strava.
>
> JD
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 11:14 PM  wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a
>> day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in
>> anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He
>> is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be
>> riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any
>> recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too
>> sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is.
>> You can reply directly if you choose.
>>
>> Thanks, Liz in Sac
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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Brian Turner]

I love my neighborhood hardware store, but they don’t always have the best selection of metric stuff. I’ve found Bolt Depot to be a really good resource online for metric bolts and bits. Plus, you usually don’t have to buy them in quantity like with McMaster-Carr.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Jason Noonievut  wrote:That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:03 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut  wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased!  I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay  wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!



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[RBW] FS: Ripton Men's Shorts Size 32

[Conway Bennett]

I bought the shorts linked below in the Spring, and they are too big and 
too stretchy for my palette--I think that the waists feel more like a 33 or 
34.  The canvas hunter shorts have been worn and washed once, and the black 
diesel jorts are new with tags.  I will sell both for $85 net-to-me, 
shipped.

Thanks in advance.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WwTZ3ojDNNxjp7mo8


- Conway 

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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Jason Noonievut]

I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased!  I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay  wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Jason Noonievut]

That’s right.  M6, 22mm, thread pitch 1.  Nylon insert hex lock nut.On Jun 13, 2024, at 2:03 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut  wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased!  I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay  wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Presale at the end of June!  Exciting.  That'll be fun to see the builds 
start coming.

BL in EC

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 8:00:57 AM UTC-7 tio ryan wrote:

> That's a lovely setup, Bill! It's reassuring to know the 3x1 setup works 
> well. 
>
> After 6 months with my Platypus, I find myself lusting after a 
> single-speed Riv for my daily commutes. I recently reached out to ensure I 
> didn't miss the pre-sale for the Roaduno. I was informed the Roaduno 
> pre-sale will be taking place two weeks from now, Jun 27th. Now I find 
> myself wondering what colors will be offered :) 
>
> Tio "99.9% getting one even if it's the same color as my Platypus" Ryan 
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:35:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have 
>> the chance!
>>
>> Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
>>  I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
>> This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
>> the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
>> configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
>> and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
>> minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
>> crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
>> crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
>> Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
>> for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
>> gear was welcome.  
>>
>> Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
>> shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
>> single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
>> freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  
>>
>> I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
>> after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
>> peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
>> to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
>> 4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
>> champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
>> handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
>> knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
>> assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
>> HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   
>>
>> Pics prove it:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
>>> triple up front. "
>>>
>>> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
>>> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
>>> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
>>> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
>>> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
>>> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
>>> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
>>> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
>>> gear choosing.  
>>>
>>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
>>> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
>>> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
>>> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
>>> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

 But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
 effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
 front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back 
 without 
 a IGH.


  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
 spacers.

 Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
 25% jum

Re: [RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Brian Turner]

Good deal! Glad Will got you the info you needed.From my experience, all the Rivs I’ve come across have taken M6x1 bolts, 20-21mm in length with 5mm hex heads (and matching nut of course).For whatever reason, it’s harder than it should be to find this info online.-BrianOn Jun 13, 2024, at 1:28 PM, Jason Noonievut  wrote:I called Riv, spoke to Will, got the specs, placed an order from a local nuts and bolts company.Because they’re stainless steel they have to be well greased!  I couldn’t find zinc coated.On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:30 AM, Jay  wrote:Hi everyone,I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I peeled away.I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench (5) vs. another style of bolt head.Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Joe Bernard]

The adventure begins! I had a feeling you might get lucky with a roomy 
train and helpful helpers in that Michigander way they have about them. 
Have a lovely time, Leah! 🙂🙋‍♂️

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 7:51:58 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep 
> train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed. 
> [image: image3.jpeg]
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
> I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has 
> been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything. 
> This is GREAT!
>
> Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.
> [image: image4.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley  
> wrote:
>
> On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the 
> front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same 
> everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can 
> second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike 
> unless it's something crazy. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
>> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 🫣
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
>> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
>> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
>> possible wind and heat issues...
>>
>>
>> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>>
>> Have fun
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>>> be much of a problem.
>>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the 
>>> Summer time.  More power to him.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 

 I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
 drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
 my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of 
 state 
 for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
 Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get 
 me, 
 and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer 
 college 
 physics study time. Yes, seriously.

 The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
 that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
 get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
 rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
 in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
 Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:

 Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
 have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
 you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
 to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that 
 you'd 
 be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
 Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
 since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make 
 a 
 big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
 you'll be just fine out there with it.



 On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
> are 
> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I 
> don’t 
> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>
> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let 
> me know. 
>
> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, 
> but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 

[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Joe Bernard]

I'd try the Face Plater first, you'll know pretty quick how much further 
forward you'll need those very-different-from-stache bars. Fortunately the 
Face Plater is open clamp so you can test mount without scratching things 
up. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:47:16 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
> stem 
>  
> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>
> thank you
> JS
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Jason Fuller]

I have no doubt that your excitement is both evident and refreshing for the
employees you're interacting with and will pave the way for a great
weekend! It's been years since I took Amtrak with my bike but now I'm very
much feeling the itch. I would be taking the Cascades route down to
Portland again - such a fun trip and multi-modal travel by train and bike
is the BEST. Nothing else compares.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 8:39 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The adventure begins! I had a feeling you might get lucky with a roomy
> train and helpful helpers in that Michigander way they have about them.
> Have a lovely time, Leah! 🙂🙋‍♂️
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 7:51:58 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep
>> train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed.
>> [image: image3.jpeg]
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>> I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has
>> been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything.
>> This is GREAT!
>>
>> Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.
>> [image: image4.jpeg]
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the
>> front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same
>> everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can
>> second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike
>> unless it's something crazy.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a
>>> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 🫣
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and
>>> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61
>>> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with
>>> possible wind and heat issues...
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>>>
>>> Have fun
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation
 better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to
 deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll
 be much of a problem.
 Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the
 Summer time.  More power to him.

 On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
 wrote:

> Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then.
>
> I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to
> drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking
> my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of 
> state
> for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New
> Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get 
> me,
> and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer 
> college
> physics study time. Yes, seriously.
>
> The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut
> that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to
> get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long
> rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than
> in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long
> Platy on board this one time for this one journey.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I
> have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not
> you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning
> to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that 
> you'd
> be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New
> Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride,
> since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make 
> a
> big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure
> you'll be just fine out there with it.
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is
>> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
>> are
>> rolling the bike on board, are they reall

[RBW] FS: 53cm Roadeo

[Rich Lesnik]

Time to let my Waterford-built Roadeo go, I'm afraid. With advancing age,
it's just not comfortable any more! I'm putting a link to the web page
describing the bike, with lots of photos. There are some significant
changes to the cockpit, and a different rear derailleur. Otherwise, as
pictured (no bag, saddle or pedals, though).

Some features:
Ritchey Logic double crank, set up "wide-low" (48/38)
White Industries anodized red T11 hubs, Velocity A23 rims, also anodized
red. Black spokes/nipples. 32 spokes front and rear
Albatross bars, with a Silver2 bar-end shifter for the rear. Simplex
downtube shifter for front.
I also have an alternate cockpit: Albastache bar, Shimano brake levers,
brown shellacked tape.

Asking $2800.
Rich's 53cm Roadeo


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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[JohnS]

Hello JS,

In this case, switching to the losco bar which have no forward sweep and 
have a lot of back sweep, it maybe a good idea to follow Will's advice to 
use an adapter stem, 1 to 1 1/8 and then try different thread less stems 
until you dial in the extension to your liking. Details were in this news 
letter:

https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?u=ad1569fa93a2ab2374ead2fde&id=bec688021e

FWIW, Velo Orange is having a sale on silver thread less stems which I've 
used in the past and think look very nice. The stems with 6 degree rise can 
be mounted upside down to be 0 rise.

https://velo-orange.com/products/threadless-stem-25-4

Good luck,
JohnS




On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 11:44:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'd try the Face Plater first, you'll know pretty quick how much further 
> forward you'll need those very-different-from-stache bars. Fortunately the 
> Face Plater is open clamp so you can test mount without scratching things 
> up. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:47:16 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
>> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
>> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
>> stem 
>>  
>> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
>> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
>> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
>> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
>> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
>> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
>> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>>
>> thank you
>> JS
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Michael Connors]

>From the 4/26 email newsletter-
The Roaduno colors that *will* be available are: *Silver, Purple, and 
Mustard*. Silver will sell out first, but blessed be the flexible who get 
whichever is available in their size; they all look good, and keep in mind 
that our photos never do the colors justice. Mustard is the most toned down 
but it has a little sparkle in the sun and looks fantastic once it's dusty 
and well used. It would be nuts to expect everybody to like Purple, but if 
you could see it in person I'm sure we could convince everybody who's on or 
even near the fence to get one.


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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[tio ryan]

That's a lovely setup, Bill! It's reassuring to know the 3x1 setup works 
well. 

After 6 months with my Platypus, I find myself lusting after a single-speed 
Riv for my daily commutes. I recently reached out to ensure I didn't miss 
the pre-sale for the Roaduno. I was informed the Roaduno pre-sale will be 
taking place two weeks from now, Jun 27th. Now I find myself wondering what 
colors will be offered :) 

Tio "99.9% getting one even if it's the same color as my Platypus" Ryan 

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 8:35:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have 
> the chance!
>
> Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
>  I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
> This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
> the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
> configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
> and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
> minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
> crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
> crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
> Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
> for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
> gear was welcome.  
>
> Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
> shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
> single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
> freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  
>
> I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
> after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
> peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
> to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
> 4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
> champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
> handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
> knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
> assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
> HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   
>
> Pics prove it:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
>> triple up front. "
>>
>> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
>> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
>> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
>> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
>> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
>> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
>> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
>> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
>> gear choosing.  
>>
>> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
>> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
>> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
>> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
>> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
>>> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
>>> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
>>> a IGH.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
>>> spacers.
>>>
>>> Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
>>> 25% jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 
>>> (25%). An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%), 
>>>  17-26 (42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 
>>> (39%), 21-32 (42%),  ...
>>>
>>> A very close equi

[RBW] Dust caps on Clem hubs

[Bruce Byker James]

Hi, Does anyone know if the dust caps on Clem hubs are meant to spin with 
the hub or stay stationary? I had a high-frequency noise coming from my 
front wheel for a while that I finally looked into and found that it was 
the dust cap rubbing on the hub. I put some oil between the cap and the hub 
and that stopped the noise. Then, as if the two hubs communicate with one 
another, my rear hub started making THE SAME NOISE. 

Just figured I'd ask here what the intended function is before getting into 
it further, in case someone else has already driven themselves crazy with 
this.

Thanks,

- Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[John Dewey]

Liz, I live in Marin and 2nd China Camp and also Paradise loop.

But some of the areas closer to you near Petaluma and Windsor are more
rural.

You can find lots of options exploring Strava.

JD

On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 11:14 PM  wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a
> day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in
> anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He
> is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be
> riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any
> recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too
> sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is.
> You can reply directly if you choose.
>
> Thanks, Liz in Sac
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Re: [RBW] Wheels and tires

[R Olson]

WTB Vigilante's are sold.

Marathons are still available.

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:25:20 PM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:

> VO wheelset is SOLD.  Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 6:17:03 PM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:
>
>> Crust wheelset is SOLD.  Thanks for the interest, everyone.
>>
>> VO wheelset is pending.
>>
>> Tires are still available.  I'll sell the WTB Vigilante's for shipping 
>> costs only to whoever wants them.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:30:55 AM UTC-6 R Olson wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, Ireland.  No, sorry, I don’t want to ship internationally.  It 
>>> would probably cost more to ship it than the wheels themselves and it would 
>>> take a really long time to get there.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2024, at 4:41 AM, Nicholas A  wrote:
>>>
>>> Interested in the VO wheels if you would ship to Ireland?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 12 June 2024 at 00:51:30 UTC+1 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 PM sent on the Crust wheels.

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jun 11, 2024, at 4:34 PM, R Olson  wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have some wheels and tires for sale:

 1 Crust Rim brake Wheelset:  700c, 32h F/R, 23mm internal width, 
 130mm rear spacing, Shutter Precision SV-8 dynamo front hub.  8spd 
 cassette, quick release levers and rim tape included.  Hardly used, a few 
 hundred miles.  Here’s a link to the crust webpage with more information:  
 https://crustbikes.com/collections/wheels/products/crust-randonneur-rim-brake-wheelsets

Price:  $200 plus shipping.


 Velo Orange Wheelset with 43mm Gravelkings with tubes:  700c, 36h F/R, 
 V-O Voyager rim 22mm internal width, 130mm rear spacing, V-O Grand Cru 
 rear 
 hub and V-O front hub, 9 spd cassette, handbuilt by local bike shop, 
 lightly used, again maybe a few hundred miles.

 Webpage for Voyager rims:  
 https://velo-orange.com/collections/rims/products/voyager-rim?variant=14408204484657

 Webpage for V-O front hub:  
 https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/front-hub-silver-and-noir?variant=31842034942089

  Price:  $200 plus shipping.


 Two 50mm Schwalbe Marathons tires.  Maybe fifty miles on them. 

 Price: $50 plus shipping for both.


  Two WTB Vigilante Tough 2.5 inch tires.  I put these on and rode 
 around the block.  They weren’t what I was looking for.  Pretty heavy 
 FYI.

 Price:  $40 plus shipping for both.
  

 Here are some photos:   https://photos.app.goo.gl/qwL1zzyjB4W1vyrs7

 Paypal or Venmo will work.

 Thanks for looking,
  

 Ryan

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[RBW] FS: Nitto stem and bars, Schwalbe tires

[Calvin Yolo]

Stems:
26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60
25.4/8.5cm Nitto TIG FacePlater (CR60-3T) - $100

Bars:
25.4/66cm Nitto Wavie - $100
26.0/40cm Nitto Noodle - $40

Tires:
650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair

My 53cm Lugged Susie in Sergio green is still for sale too, $1800 shipped 
or $100 off if you pick it up.

Prices include shipping. Can work out a lower price if you want to pick it 
up or combine items.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1991 Bridgestone RB-T 62cm w/ some parts

[exliontamer]

Dropping to $500 shipped for the frame/fork/headset only

On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Bumping & dropping to $600 shipped
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 1:17:32 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> so cool!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Selling my 62cm Bridgestone RB-T. Frame is in great shape with some 
>>> decal wear. Comes with:
>>> *Suntour 7 speed Bar-Cons
>>> *Suntour XCE front & rear derailleurs
>>> *Sakae triple crankset & pedals
>>> *Sakae 25.4 stem
>>> *Sakae 27.0 seatpost
>>> *Dia Compe Blaze brake levers
>>>
>>> Asking $700 shipped to the lower 48
>>>
>>> The full geometry is in the '91 catalog, easily accessible on Sheldon 
>>> Brown's site, but the top tube is 60cm ctc. Nice clearance/I've had 35mm 
>>> tires on it. I'd call this more of a road bike than a tourer/sport tourer. 
>>> The tubing is relatively thin and undersized compared to even later RB-1s.
>>>
>>> Happy to answer any questions, send detailed photos, etc. Thanks!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5721.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5725.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Justin Kennedy]

Wow that's amazing. I had a bike on a luggage car once from NYC to 
Richmond, Va., and it was similar service. I should have mentioned that. 
All depends on what kind of train/cars you get. 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 10:56:35 AM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> That’s amazing! What a nice train. Have the best trip!
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 07:51, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep 
> train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed. 
>
> 
>
> 
> 
>
> I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has 
> been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything. 
> This is GREAT!
>
> Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.
>
> 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley  
> wrote:
>
> On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the 
> front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same 
> everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can 
> second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike 
> unless it's something crazy. 
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
>> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 🫣
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
>> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
>> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
>> possible wind and heat issues...
>>
>>
>> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>>
>> Have fun
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>>> be much of a problem.
>>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the 
>>> Summer time.  More power to him.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 

 I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
 drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
 my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of 
 state 
 for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
 Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get 
 me, 
 and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer 
 college 
 physics study time. Yes, seriously.

 The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
 that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
 get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
 rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
 in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
 Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:

 Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
 have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
 you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
 to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that 
 you'd 
 be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
 Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
 since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make 
 a 
 big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
 you'll be just fine out there with it.



 On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is 
> too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you 
> are 
> rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
> would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
> the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I 
> don’t 
> know what the setup is inside the train cars. 
>
> If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let 
> me know. 
>
> Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, 
> but that bike would not be my choice for a 106

Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[luckyturnip]

That’s amazing! What a nice train. Have the best trip!On Jun 13, 2024, at 07:51, Leah Peterson  wrote:Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed. I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything. This is GREAT!Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley  wrote:On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike unless it's something crazy. On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 🫣On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with possible wind and heat issues...Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?Have funOn Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll be much of a problem.Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the Summer time.  More power to him.On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of state for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get me, and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer college physics study time. Yes, seriously.The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long Platy on board this one time for this one journey. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that you'd be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make a big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure you'll be just fine out there with it.On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t know what the setup is inside the train cars. If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me know. Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c wheels with the 42mm tires!Leah



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Re: [RBW] Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[luckyturnip]

Thanks John, I need to get Strava. My son just got an app called Ride With GPS. I need to level up my tech game in any case!On Jun 13, 2024, at 07:49, John Dewey  wrote:Liz, I live in Marin and 2nd China Camp and also Paradise loop. But some of the areas closer to you near Petaluma and Windsor are more rural. You can find lots of options exploring Strava. JDOn Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 11:14 PM  wrote:Greetings all,

My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is. 
You can reply directly if you choose.

Thanks, Liz in Sac

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[RBW] Re: revisted topic: plestcher double leg kickstands (not) fitting on rivs

[Edwin W]

Like Tom, I give the outer leg a little nudge when I fold the twin legged 
on my Joe Appa with 50mm tires so that it does not rub.

I have always been a fan of kickstands in general, as well as fenders, 
racks and lights on all bikes, but honestly I have been using my kickstand 
a lot less lately! It is rare that there is nothing to lean it against AND 
I want to stop AND I want my bike upright. 

Edwin

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:33:28 AM UTC-5 eco...@aol.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_6959.jpg]
> I have both a Clem Jr L and a Joe Appaloosa and have Plestcher double 
> kickstands on both. I agree you have to make the fine adjustment to get it 
> to clear on both bikes and on the Clem I have to grab the far leg on the 
> stand with my toe and pull it towards me when I fold it up, but it still 
> clears a Ultradynamico Mars 2.2 's on that bike.
>
> [image: IMG_6859.jpg]
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Tom 
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4 Frakern wrote:
>
>> Blue Lug put a double stand on our Clem Smith Jr when we bought it 
>> through them. After a while it would rub on the tires when we had fatter 
>> tires on it. As I recall when I took it back to Blue Lug and they adjusted 
>> it by rotating it slightly and tightening down the bolts. But they said it 
>> would eventually shift back and start rubbing again so this would need to 
>> be done every once in a while. In the end I filed down the legs a bit with 
>> a metal file where it was rubbing to try to give it more clearance. 
>>
>> Be aware though that if you're having a child carrier on the back rack 
>> the bike won't be stable even with the plestcher double. At least for us, 
>> the balance of the bike was such that with a child on the back seat the 
>> bike would lean on the back wheel with the front wheel in the air and be 
>> unstable. Without a child on the back seat the bike rests with the front 
>> wheel down and the back wheel up. We ended up getting a different stand 
>> that I can't recall the name of at the moment that was much larger and 
>> folded out more in a v shape towards the front of the bike that made it 
>> more stable. But as our son got older and heavier, the stand mount on the 
>> bike started to bend and wear out. So be careful. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20231130_045249926.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 2:44:25 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> I tried this sometime a year or two ago. 
>>>
>>> I am very close to finishing up a clem L that will be a dedicated kid 
>>> carrier (think mamafiet) with spoke protector, yepp budget seat, etc.
>>>
>>> i had a spare plestcher kickstand hanging around and wanted to get it on 
>>> the bike. i KNOW blue lug does this, and it really doesn't matter the size 
>>> tire. mine are not even close to maxed out on the bike and im still getting 
>>> the dreaded rub (got the same on my country appaloosa) 
>>>
>>> does anyone have any experience wit this? has anyone asked blue lug how 
>>> they do it? I am not a huge fan of single leggers and i don't really wan to 
>>> spend money on a different kickstand ( but i will) 
>>>
>>> i'd love to get the one i have working. but am curious as to a sure fire 
>>> way to do so. before anyone suggests, i've aready reached out to riv. they 
>>> don't have any real solutions. but i know one exists. im determined.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> michael
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Edwin W]

Where is that bridge? It is a beautiful shot with a good looking bike!

Edwin

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 7:47:16 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
> stem 
>  
> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>
> thank you
> JS
>

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[RBW] Roadini - Seatpost Bolt/Nut (need to replace)

[Jay]

Hi everyone,

I guess I've over-tightened the bolt on my Roadini as it's spinning without 
much torque.  When I took out the bolt there were some loose threads that I 
peeled away.

I need to buy a new one and wanted to know if someone has the 'specs' so 
when I go to my hardware store I can find what I'm looking for (diameter, 
thread details?, length)...I know I can either measure this, or bring it in 
and figure it out, but it may be easier to have in advance and line of the 
specs.  Or maybe there are options?  I would still like to use a hex wrench 
(5) vs. another style of bolt head.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paint Color matters! Your favorite?

[Garth]

Orange also ! Soda pop orange or any degree of a softened tone thereof, ala 
say a pastel soda pop orange. 
On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 1:34:33 AM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:

> Orange. I've never owned an orange bike but I've always wanted one. I'd 
> have to say that the Gus in orange is one of my favorite bikes of all time. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 1:20:04 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>
>> So many nice colors here. The sage green on my 2014 Sam will always be 
>> one of my favorites. Shown here in commuter mode.
>> Versatile and goes well with accent colors.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> [image: SamH 1.jpg]
>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:39:59 AM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Custom Pewter Rambouillet painted by Rick at D&D. I had imagined a 
>>> slightly lighter almost silver in my head but the color turned out amazing. 
>>> A beautiful metallic shimmer appears when the bike is in direct sunlight!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 9:21 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>>
 On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-5 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell should revisit this wonderful paint color for some of their 
 models.  This is the fork from a 2000 Heron Road bike that I’m building.  
 The blue/green metallic is fantastic in the sun.  


 Well, I'm biased, but that is certainly one of my favorite colors ever. 
 I was stoked when Roger gave me the sample tube with that color on it. 
 Even 
 in the fluorescent lights of their shop I could tell it was a winner.

 That said, the color of the Heron prototype, "soap green", which is 
 suspiciously like celeste, has a warm place in my heart. That frame is in 
 the hands of Now You're Finished for a full spa treatment, and Adam will 
 be 
 matching the color.
 [image: Screenshot 2024-06-11 at 9.16.21 AM.png] 

 But I think my all-time favorite so far is Waterford's Copper Metallic, 
 or as I like to call it, Root Beer with a Creamy Head:
 [image: Screenshot 2024-06-11 at 9.18.07 AM.png]

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