Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

2024-06-18 Thread john Bokman
Brenton, I may take you up on that!

I think the confusion for many lies in the fact that different year models have 
different clearances. The 2017 (according to Riv) fits up to a 45mm tire, while 
the more recent models (I assume your friend’s and senditsafely) can run 
(according to Riv) a 47mm tire.


Thanks for the actual rider reports.

John

> On Jun 18, 2024, at 1:51 PM, Brenton Eastman  
> wrote:
> 
> 44mm tire on dyads will fit no problem. My friend ran the 48 RH knobbies no 
> prob and so did @senditsafely on IG. He’s got pics of clearances and such. If 
> you try the 44 RH knobbies and they don’t work, sell em to me! My 47 teravail 
> knobbies are getting smooth at this point. 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2024, at 1:21 PM, John Bokman  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Brenton and Tim for your insight. Good to know I may be able to fit 
>> at least a 42mm knobby in there. For what it's worth, I believe (but am not 
>> certain) that after 2017, the size I ride (and Brenton rides) switched from 
>> 58cm to 57cm. If this is correct, Brenton, your frame is likely a 2018 or 
>> newer. I need to get myself a pair of vernier calipers to accurately measure 
>> the space I've got at all the critical areas before spending lots of dough 
>> on new rubber!
>> 
>> John
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 11:55:22 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>> I have a friend with the same era Sam that we are discussing. I can confirm 
>> that the Hurricane Ridge will definitely fit.  Not sure about the Manastash. 
>> I am thinking about trying these as well. 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> John, I believe mine is also a 2017 and similar to Tim I do not have any 
>> clearance issues. I do need to deflate a bit for install/removal due to 
>> brake pads. I’m in Portland as well if you ever wanna link up and get 
>> tire-nerdy in person. Also happy to share pictures. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Tim Bantham > wrote:
>>> 
>>> John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 44mm 
>>> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. There 
>>> is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to 
>>> deflate the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and 
>>> the Sam is great with these tires!
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>> Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier 
>>> Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models 
>>> (2018 onward)?
>>> 
>>> My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an 
>>> upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will 
>>> accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not 
>>> necessarily a knobbed tire. 
>>> 
>>> for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around 
>>> side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that 
>>> respect.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any info you may have.
>>> John 
>>> (in Portland OR)
>>> 
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:
>>> Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
>>> tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
>>> Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com <> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com <> 
>>> wrote:
>>> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
>>> compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ?
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Max S
I would definitely prefer to have fewer injuries, lower risk of death, and 
definitely to protect against "closed-head injury." Read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-head_injury  
I'll quote from the Wikipedia article: 

"Helmets can be used to decrease closed-head injuries acquired during 
athletic activities, and are considered necessary for sports such as 
American "tackle" football, where frequent head impacts are a normal part 
of the game. However, recent studies have questioned the effectiveness of 
even American football helmets, where the assumed protection of helmets 
promotes far more head impacts, a behavior known as risk compensation 
. The net result seems to 
have been an increase, not decrease, in injuries.[20] 
 *The 
similar sports of Australian-rules football and rugby are always played 
helmetless, and see far fewer traumatic brain injuries*. (See Australian 
rules football injuries 
.)

Bicycle helmets  are perhaps 
the most promoted variety of helmet, based on the assumption that cycling 
without a helmet is a dangerous activity, with a large risk of serious 
brain injury. However, available data clearly shows that to be false. *Cycling 
(with approximately 700 American fatalities per year from all medical 
causes) is a very minor source of fatal traumatic brain injury, whose 
American total is approximately 52,000 per year.[21] 
 Similarly, 
bicycling causes only 3% of America's non-fatal traumatic brain injury.*

Still, bicycle-helmet promotion campaigns are common, and many U.S 
jurisdictions have enacted mandatory bicycle-helmet laws for children. A 
few such jurisdictions, a few Canadian provinces, plus Australia and New 
Zealand mandate bicycle helmets even for adults. A bicycle-helmet 
educational campaign directed toward children claimed an increase in helmet 
use from 5.5% to 40.2% leading to a claimed decrease in bicycle-related 
head injuries by nearly 67%.[22] 
 However, 
other sources have shown that bicycle-helmet promotion reduces cycling, *often 
with no per-cyclist reduction in traumatic brain injury*.[23] 
[24] 


Estimates of bicycle-helmet use by American adults vary. One study found 
that only 25-30% of American adults wear helmets while riding bicycles,[25] 
 
*despite 
decades of promotion and despite sport cyclists' adoption of helmets as 
part of their uniform*." 
... so, it seems to me that these pro-helmet admonishments are based on 
selective reading of statistics, with a dollop of confirmation bias that 
helmets "work." But we can also look at the statistics and acknowledge 
that, statistically speaking, the idea of increasing bicycle safety *via* 
helmet use isn't actually working. At the end of the day, I reckon folks 
will choose to do the thing that gives them a greater sense of agency (like 
buying a big SUV to feel safer on the road, despite ostensibly higher risk 
of rollover and greater risk to others), but whether it actually makes 
things better may well be "in the noise." 

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 10:03:17 PM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:

>
>> I spent a number of years in the motorcycle safety world and saw enough 
>> to convince  me a helmet is a great idea for many activities. (Escpecially 
>> motorcycling.)
>
>
> But I want to add that this article on survivorship bias is a good one to 
> consider:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread David Ross
I grew up riding motorcycles and I think it’s the reason I always wear a
helmet on my bicycle. I feel naked without one. I remember being in college
in the 90s and I was the only person on campus who wore a helmet.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 10:03 PM Eric Floden  wrote:

>
>> I spent a number of years in the motorcycle safety world and saw enough
>> to convince  me a helmet is a great idea for many activities. (Escpecially
>> motorcycling.)
>
>
> But I want to add that this article on survivorship bias is a good one to
> consider:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Eric Floden
>
>
> I spent a number of years in the motorcycle safety world and saw enough to
> convince  me a helmet is a great idea for many activities. (Escpecially
> motorcycling.)


But I want to add that this article on survivorship bias is a good one to
consider:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Ted Fay
Notes from personal experience. Your experience and views may be different.

Lived for 3 years in the southern Netherlands, and it's wonderful place to 
cycle both for transit and for exercise. When cycling for transportation 
(shopping, going out to dinner, etc.), yes, it is common to see people 
without helmets. Dedicated lanes, slower traffic overall (read - speed 
cameras work), and again dedicated bike lanes made car/bicycle less 
worrisome. Plus the cycling is low speed, figure 10-12 mph. 

However, when taking out the road bike for exercise, helmets were common. 
Nice lanes even outside of the major areas. Loved the path-side garbage 
nets, set up to have the cyclists toss their banana peels, etc. as they 
rode by. 

Back here in the US, I was on a dedicated path. No cars. Ran over a stick 
(apparently, as I remember nothing), which caught in my spokes, and I 
scorpioned. Fractured skull, and a  range of other fun things. If I was not 
wearing a  helmet, I'm not typing this today. Even with one, the long term 
impact of traumatic brain injury (TBI) is not small. 

Back on the bike, and using one of the top rated helmets from VA Tech 
(https://helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicycle-helmet-ratings.html). 

One can choose not to wear one. 

I'll be wearing mine. 

T

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 8:04:09 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> What I find most illuminating and encouraging about this discussion is 
> that it is such a wonderful example of civil discourse. On a topic that can 
> be quite polarizing because of each individual's experiences and emotional 
> investment, it is remarkable to see the conversation progress along 
> reasonable, respectful lines of inquiry and anecdote. Bravo to the members 
> of this forum! If only our society at large could be so...Rivish!
>
> On a side note, Edwin I did check out the Gene Hackman article and was 
> immediately dismayed by the headline: "Gene Hackman struck by car while 
> riding a bike." In fact, he was struck by *the careless driver *of said 
> car (unless the vehicle in question was an autonomous vehicle). Blaming the 
> accident on the car shifts responsibility from where it actually rests: the 
> driver. Careful drivers don't strike cyclists or pedestrians, and careful 
> people don't have accidents. At least, not when they're being careful.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:25:16 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>
>> I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the CA 
>> coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
>> horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
>> significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
>> investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
>> on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
>> sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
>> some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. I've 
>> seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
>> this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 
>>
>> If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
>> them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
>> kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to 
>> follow, but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what 
>> they require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main 
>> things:  1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of 
>> crash modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam 
>> material is about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be 
>> to properly cushion the skull upon impact. There *are* better materials, 
>> and they're being applied in football helmets, for example. But their 
>> applicability to cycling is much more limited on account of greater weight, 
>> duration of activity, and sustained high level of aerobic load. 
>>
>> Now, I'm not trying to say that wearing helmets is stupid, or that not 
>> wearing helmets is just as safe or safer than wearing one. Part of what I'm 
>> saying is that we get more of what I would call "safety theater" – much 
>> like "security theater" we've all experienced in airports – than actual 
>> safety. And the margins on the product are good enough as is! And it is 
>> against this backdrop that the thing irritating me the most about the 
>> helmet conversation is the collective admonishment that many (most?) 
>> cyclists – and celebrities like Gordon Ramsey – bring to the issue. It only 
>> worsen the victim-blaming that still plagues our culture. And, as many have 
>> already pointed out, it is the culture and customs 
>>  that are the biggest risk factors. 
>>
>> - Max "stop staring at your smartphone and pay attention" in A2
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 18,

[RBW] Show me your Riv with Bullmoose bars

2024-06-18 Thread Max S
As everyone knows, having a stem or a handlebar in the workshop and *not* 
attached to a bike is a very dangerous situation. I find myself in a double 
hazard with a Bullmoose handlebar / quill stem in the shop, not attached to 
any bike. The one proven safety measure in such a situation is to build a 
bike around it. As everyone knows. 

So, inspire me with your awesomest Bullmoosey-ist builds! 

- Max "double trouble" in A2 

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread John Rinker
What I find most illuminating and encouraging about this discussion is that 
it is such a wonderful example of civil discourse. On a topic that can be 
quite polarizing because of each individual's experiences and emotional 
investment, it is remarkable to see the conversation progress along 
reasonable, respectful lines of inquiry and anecdote. Bravo to the members 
of this forum! If only our society at large could be so...Rivish!

On a side note, Edwin I did check out the Gene Hackman article and was 
immediately dismayed by the headline: "Gene Hackman struck by car while 
riding a bike." In fact, he was struck by *the careless driver *of said car 
(unless the vehicle in question was an autonomous vehicle). Blaming the 
accident on the car shifts responsibility from where it actually rests: the 
driver. Careful drivers don't strike cyclists or pedestrians, and careful 
people don't have accidents. At least, not when they're being careful.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:25:16 PM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the CA 
> coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
> horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
> significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
> investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
> on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
> sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
> some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. I've 
> seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
> this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 
>
> If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
> them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
> kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to 
> follow, but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what 
> they require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main 
> things:  1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of 
> crash modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam 
> material is about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be 
> to properly cushion the skull upon impact. There *are* better materials, 
> and they're being applied in football helmets, for example. But their 
> applicability to cycling is much more limited on account of greater weight, 
> duration of activity, and sustained high level of aerobic load. 
>
> Now, I'm not trying to say that wearing helmets is stupid, or that not 
> wearing helmets is just as safe or safer than wearing one. Part of what I'm 
> saying is that we get more of what I would call "safety theater" – much 
> like "security theater" we've all experienced in airports – than actual 
> safety. And the margins on the product are good enough as is! And it is 
> against this backdrop that the thing irritating me the most about the 
> helmet conversation is the collective admonishment that many (most?) 
> cyclists – and celebrities like Gordon Ramsey – bring to the issue. It only 
> worsen the victim-blaming that still plagues our culture. And, as many have 
> already pointed out, it is the culture and customs 
>  that are the biggest risk factors. 
>
> - Max "stop staring at your smartphone and pay attention" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:07:35 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Good points, John.  But when I read one of Grant's blagh posts I often 
>> see a point/counterpoint narrative of what he feels "may" be a correct view 
>> vs. what the general biking industry tries to hawk as "the only correct 
>> view."  I neither agree nor disagree with most of his posts.  And, yes, 
>> there are crash survivors who probably only lived (or at least survived in 
>> a less than functionally cognitive state).  Personally, I came across a 
>> group of cyclists on an organized ride who were gathered around a young 
>> lady who had apparently been riding in a group and was either inadvertently 
>> or purposely been run off the road and into a mailbox post...and not an 
>> average mailbox post, but a railroad tie that people in rural areas often 
>> set in the ground to prevent mischievous adolescents from whacking them 
>> down for a "prank".  Her helmet lay on the ground split completely split in 
>> half and she was unconscious. I learned later that she died from a severe 
>> concussion.  Would a helmet with different design than the compacted foam 
>> have saved her life? Maybe not. There are different kinds of accidents with 
>> different kinds of injuries and outcomes.  But I'll stand by Grant's 
>> remarks if they are read carefully.  He's not saying that they don't 
>> completely prevent serious injuries, he's saying that the

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Max S
I've ridden in city races, city traffic, trails, rural roads, down the CA 
coast, in groups and solo I've crashed a few times. Great anecdotes, 
horror stories, etc. We've all got them. I'm also an engineer with 
significant experience in mechanics and materials. I've supervised projects 
investigating / improving properties of sports helmets. My opinion, based 
on my riding and engineering experience, is that styrofoam cycling helmets 
sold today *can mitigate certain kinds* of injuries. But also there are 
some crash modalities where current helmet designs worsen the injuries. I've 
seen very little evidence to convince me of claims like "see the crack in 
this helmet – it saved my life" being scientifically valid. 

If you read the fine print on helmet manufacturers' websites, you'll see 
them being extremely cagey about their testing protocols, guarantees of any 
kind, etc. There *are* standardized testing protocols they have to follow, 
but carefully examining in detail the testing protocols and what they 
require of the materials and construction suggest to me two main things: 
 1) the test protocol is not representative of the vast majority of crash 
modalities that I am likely to encounter, and 2) the styrofoam material is 
about one to two orders of magnitude stiffer than it should be to properly 
cushion the skull upon impact. There *are* better materials, and they're 
being applied in football helmets, for example. But their applicability to 
cycling is much more limited on account of greater weight, duration of 
activity, and sustained high level of aerobic load. 

Now, I'm not trying to say that wearing helmets is stupid, or that not 
wearing helmets is just as safe or safer than wearing one. Part of what I'm 
saying is that we get more of what I would call "safety theater" – much 
like "security theater" we've all experienced in airports – than actual 
safety. And the margins on the product are good enough as is! And it is 
against this backdrop that the thing irritating me the most about the 
helmet conversation is the collective admonishment that many (most?) 
cyclists – and celebrities like Gordon Ramsey – bring to the issue. It only 
worsen the victim-blaming that still plagues our culture. And, as many have 
already pointed out, it is the culture and customs 
 that are the biggest risk factors. 

- Max "stop staring at your smartphone and pay attention" in A2

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 5:07:35 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Good points, John.  But when I read one of Grant's blagh posts I often see 
> a point/counterpoint narrative of what he feels "may" be a correct view vs. 
> what the general biking industry tries to hawk as "the only correct view."  
> I neither agree nor disagree with most of his posts.  And, yes, there are 
> crash survivors who probably only lived (or at least survived in a less 
> than functionally cognitive state).  Personally, I came across a group of 
> cyclists on an organized ride who were gathered around a young lady who had 
> apparently been riding in a group and was either inadvertently or purposely 
> been run off the road and into a mailbox post...and not an average mailbox 
> post, but a railroad tie that people in rural areas often set in the ground 
> to prevent mischievous adolescents from whacking them down for a "prank".  
> Her helmet lay on the ground split completely split in half and she was 
> unconscious. I learned later that she died from a severe concussion.  Would 
> a helmet with different design than the compacted foam have saved her life? 
> Maybe not. There are different kinds of accidents with different kinds of 
> injuries and outcomes.  But I'll stand by Grant's remarks if they are read 
> carefully.  He's not saying that they don't completely prevent serious 
> injuries, he's saying that they're not constructed in a way that "could" 
> prevent more serious injuries because that can get by with the current 
> designs.  
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 1:46:42 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> George Schick wrote:  " Grant posted a lengthy article in his December, 
>> '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern helmets 
>> are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress during 
>> an impact,...it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests used to 
>> measure the integrity of each helmet..:"
>>
>> George, with all due respect,  this thread contains 2 to 3 instances of 
>> folks reporting the helmet *did it's jo*b, not including Gordo's 
>> crash..  And there are no instances where folks complained the helmet did 
>> *not* do it's job, despite what Paterson claims is incorrectly testing. 
>>
>> I read his Blahg when it came out & I was disturbed about his POV.  I 
>> think it shows his false logic about wearing a helmet,   It  is worthwhile 
>> only because it is a POV of an influential person.   
>>
>> Grant could be wrong, 
>

Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

2024-06-18 Thread Keith P.
UPDATE:
I greased my Silver freehub and it is QUIET!
I expected a change, but with the normal road sounds of the world it is now 
virtually silent.
Very pleased with the result of a few youtube tutorials and some bravery.

- Keith

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:33:50 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Armand -
> Thank you for sharing this information. 
> I decided to buy some.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2024, 11:01 AM Armand Kizirian  
> wrote:
>
>> No need to decide against an otherwise excellent hub due to a loud 
>> freehub. Apply this stuff generously to the pawls and it will silence it 
>> several fold. https://www.dumondetech.com/portfolio/pro-x-freehub-grease/ 
>>
>> Depending on how much you ride, you may need to reply it every few months 
>> or once a year to keep pawls silent. I use it on my mtb which has Industry 
>> Nine hubs with a billion engagement points so I can actually enjoy the 
>> sounds of nature. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 12:19:45 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I have one pair of wheels built onto Onyx hubs, and because the rear hub 
>>> uses a sprag clutch instead of pawls or a star ratchet like DT Swiss, they 
>>> are completely silent when freewheeling. I find it very nice that when I'm 
>>> stooging along out in the country and stop pedalling, I don't have any 
>>> mechanical noise other than that of the tyres on the road.
>>>
>>> I can't say that I really care for the look of their Vesper model hubs, 
>>> which have scalloped edges on the hub flanges between the spoke holes and 
>>> stepped diameters on the hub shell. I prefer the older "Classic" model I 
>>> have (still available) that has a smoother outline. They're also pretty 
>>> pricey - almost up in Chris King territory.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

2024-06-18 Thread Valerie Yates
Love this post and the gorgeous pictures. I too had a Surly Straggler for 
loaded touring prior to getting a first round of Appaloosa. The view and 
comfort from the Appa was huge upgrade. Sold the Surly immediately and 
never looked back. I felt Straggler was a very apt name for that sluggish 
frame. The Appa shines as a touring bike. Love the purple. Congrats. Hope 
you will share more of your bike and scenery pics. 

On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 8:39:11 AM UTC-6 Tim Tetrault wrote:

> You definitely aren't alone in feeling the "Surly needs spacers" 
> comfort/discomfort issue. It looks like the brand is course correcting with 
> current models, perhaps.
>
> Congrats on the Riv. 
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 11:44:19 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for your kind words. I'm enjoying the bike more the 
>> more I ride it - it engenders a different, more relaxed pace - perfect for 
>> exploring.
>>
>> Eric, your Appaloosa with Ortho bars was an insipiration for me, so your 
>> words mean a lot!
>>
>> Jay - funny you mention C&L, because this frame actually made its way to 
>> me from them! They are super nice people and I love what they're doing with 
>> bikes (obviously).
>>
>> On Saturday 6 April 2024 at 05:17:36 UTC+10:30 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Great post and run-down, Dan! The Appaloosa is lookin' good. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:29:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>>>
 I also love this post!

 I was in C&L Cycle, home of the Bassi and noticed the Bloomfield.  That 
 caught me eye in your write up so I thought I would mention.

 That purple is amazing.  Enjoy!

 On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great story and pics, thanks for sharing Dan. Congrats on the new 
> bike. It's making me want to put rons bars back on the atlantis. 
>
> mike in austin tx
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 2:44:46 AM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I’d like to share the story of my new purple Appaloosa. 
>> I’ve gained a great deal of insight and enjoyment from reading this 
>> forum, 
>> so it’s only right that I return the favour with a story of my own.
>>
>>
>> From the first time I had heard that there was a company called 
>> Rivendell, I knew that someday I’d be riding one. I’d avidly read 
>> Tolkein 
>> in my childhood, so to hear that there were LotR themed bicycles - and 
>> that 
>> they were so beautiful! - was just fascinating to me. The more I read 
>> about 
>> the bikes and the philosophy, the more I was convinced. The final straw 
>> was 
>> coming across ‘Calling In Sick Magazine’, aka the unofficial Rivendell 
>> fan 
>> magazine. Reading the stories and looking at the photos of those people 
>> riding on dry hills near the ocean, in terrain not to dissimilar to what 
>> I 
>> ride here in Adelaide, Australia, gave me the impetus to make my dream a 
>> reality.
>>
>>
>> So, why did I choose an Appaloosa? To answer that, here is a little 
>> bit about the other bikes in my stable…
>>
>>
>> *Surly Straggler*
>>
>> This was my first ‘nice’ bike, the first bike I actually did any 
>> research on before buying. I bought it to be my only bike and a 
>> do-it-all 
>> bike, one that would be reliable and fun both day-to-day and on riding 
>> anywhere and everywhere when I felt like adventure. In that, it’s met 
>> all 
>> my expectations and then some. It’s set up with a rack and fenders as a 
>> commuter, but over time I’ve tweaked it with wider, flared drops, 
>> fatter, 
>> more supple rubber and lower gearing to suit my increasing desire to 
>> explore. I’ve ridden this bike on two (metric) centuries, countless 
>> suburban explorations, in the rain, on gravel, and on single track. It 
>> does 
>> it all, more or less. I’ve never liked the looks of the stack of spacers 
>> I 
>> needed to get the bars high, and the gearing is probably a bit high, 
>> though 
>> that has made me stronger. Descending on the dirt, even with the flared 
>> drops, is a whole-body workout. Side note - I actually wanted a Cross 
>> Check, but they weren’t available to order in Australia when I bought 
>> this 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_0580.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> *Bassi Bloomfield*
>>
>> It took a while to allow myself the thought that it was ok to have 
>> more than one bike. I’d been browsing Blue Lug and watching Terry 
>> Barentsen 
>> during the pandemic and fell in love with the idea of 650b, fat tyres, 
>> upright bars and front baskets. The day after I’d decided that I could 
>> get 
>> myself another bike, my local bike shop listed a whole bunch of Bassi 
>> frames for sale. The clearance for wide 650b tyres and the flower head 
>>

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread George Schick
Good points, John.  But when I read one of Grant's blagh posts I often see 
a point/counterpoint narrative of what he feels "may" be a correct view vs. 
what the general biking industry tries to hawk as "the only correct view."  
I neither agree nor disagree with most of his posts.  And, yes, there are 
crash survivors who probably only lived (or at least survived in a less 
than functionally cognitive state).  Personally, I came across a group of 
cyclists on an organized ride who were gathered around a young lady who had 
apparently been riding in a group and was either inadvertently or purposely 
been run off the road and into a mailbox post...and not an average mailbox 
post, but a railroad tie that people in rural areas often set in the ground 
to prevent mischievous adolescents from whacking them down for a "prank".  
Her helmet lay on the ground split completely split in half and she was 
unconscious. I learned later that she died from a severe concussion.  Would 
a helmet with different design than the compacted foam have saved her life? 
Maybe not. There are different kinds of accidents with different kinds of 
injuries and outcomes.  But I'll stand by Grant's remarks if they are read 
carefully.  He's not saying that they don't completely prevent serious 
injuries, he's saying that they're not constructed in a way that "could" 
prevent more serious injuries because that can get by with the current 
designs.  

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 1:46:42 PM UTC-5 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> George Schick wrote:  " Grant posted a lengthy article in his December, 
> '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern helmets 
> are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress during 
> an impact,...it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests used to 
> measure the integrity of each helmet..:"
>
> George, with all due respect,  this thread contains 2 to 3 instances of 
> folks reporting the helmet *did it's jo*b, not including Gordo's crash..  
> And there are no instances where folks complained the helmet did *not* do 
> it's job, despite what Paterson claims is incorrectly testing. 
>
> I read his Blahg when it came out & I was disturbed about his POV.  I 
> think it shows his false logic about wearing a helmet,   It  is worthwhile 
> only because it is a POV of an influential person.   
>
> Grant could be wrong, 
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown, NJ   
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:56:53 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> FWIW concerning this discussion, Grant posted a lengthy article in his 
>> December, '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern 
>> helmets are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress 
>> during an impact, than it did wearing vs. not wearing one.  At one time or 
>> another I've owned each of the helmets from the past that he highlights - 
>> Skid Lid, Kucharik "hair net," etc.  Whether you are pro or con helmet 
>> wearing while cycling, it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests 
>> used to measure the integrity of each helmet, how it does or doesn't do 
>> what it is supposed to do (or at least "hyped" to do), modifications made 
>> to existing models, and other things.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 4:27:36 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 
>>> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>>>
>>> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
>>> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
>>> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
>>> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
>>> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
>>> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
>>> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
>>> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
>>> safe Gx”
>>>  
>>> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
>>> 
>>> tiktok.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Also: “I Love Helmets!”
>>>
>>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>>
>>> Prescott Highside (I Love Helmets) 
>>> 
>>> youtube.com 
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

2024-06-18 Thread Brenton Eastman
44mm tire on dyads will fit no problem. My friend ran the 48 RH knobbies no prob and so did @senditsafely on IG. He’s got pics of clearances and such. If you try the 44 RH knobbies and they don’t work, sell em to me! My 47 teravail knobbies are getting smooth at this point. On Jun 18, 2024, at 1:21 PM, John Bokman  wrote:Thanks Brenton and Tim for your insight. Good to know I may be able to fit at least a 42mm knobby in there. For what it's worth, I believe (but am not certain) that after 2017, the size I ride (and Brenton rides) switched from 58cm to 57cm. If this is correct, Brenton, your frame is likely a 2018 or newer. I need to get myself a pair of vernier calipers to accurately measure the space I've got at all the critical areas before spending lots of dough on new rubber!JohnOn Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 11:55:22 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:I have a friend with the same era Sam that we are discussing. I can confirm that the Hurricane Ridge will definitely fit.  Not sure about the Manastash. I am thinking about trying these as well. On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:John, I believe mine is also a 2017 and similar to Tim I do not have any clearance issues. I do need to deflate a bit for install/removal due to brake pads. I’m in Portland as well if you ever wanna link up and get tire-nerdy in person. Also happy to share pictures. On Jun 18, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 44mm Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. There is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to deflate the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and the Sam is great with these tires!On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models (2018 onward)?My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not necessarily a knobbed tire. for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that respect.Thanks for any info you may have.John (in Portland OR)On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com wrote:Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ?




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Re: [RBW] A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Edwin W
Gene Hackman had a bike wreck at age 81 and survived with minimal injuries 
and could have said "thank god I wasn't wearing a helmet."
https://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/showbiz/hackman-accident/index.html

Now, I am not saying he had no injuries because he was not wearing a 
helmet, but if he HAD been wearing a helmet, everyone would have said it 
saved his life!

Edwin

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 3:30:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> No one has ever said:
>
> “I had a bad bike wreck, thankfully I wasn’t wearing a helmet!"

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Re: [RBW] A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Matthew Williams
No one has ever said:

“I had a bad bike wreck, thankfully I wasn’t wearing a helmet!"

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 54 cm Appaloosa frame

2024-06-18 Thread Matthew Williams

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-appaloosa/7757648574.html
Rivendell Appaloosa - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - craigslist
seattle.craigslist.org




> On Jun 13, 2024, at 8:47 AM, Stephen Merelman  wrote:
> 
> I am offloading a much-loved but rarely used Brompton, so I have to keep my 
> number of bicycles stable. 
> 
> If anyone has an Appaloosa frame they would like to pass along, let me know. 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> smm
> 
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[RBW] WTB: 54 cm Appaloosa frame

2024-06-18 Thread Stephen Merelman
I am offloading a much-loved but rarely used Brompton, so I have to keep my 
number of bicycles stable. 

If anyone has an Appaloosa frame they would like to pass along, let me 
know. 

Thanks in advance, 

smm


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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

2024-06-18 Thread John Bokman
Thanks Brenton and Tim for your insight. Good to know I may be able to fit 
at least a 42mm knobby in there. For what it's worth, I believe (but am not 
certain) that after 2017, the size I ride (and Brenton rides) switched from 
58cm to 57cm. If this is correct, Brenton, your frame is likely a 2018 or 
newer. I need to get myself a pair of vernier calipers to accurately 
measure the space I've got at all the critical areas before spending lots 
of dough on new rubber!

John
On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 11:55:22 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I have a friend with the same era Sam that we are discussing. I can 
> confirm that the Hurricane Ridge will definitely fit.  Not sure about the 
> Manastash. I am thinking about trying these as well. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> John, I believe mine is also a 2017 and similar to Tim I do not have any 
>> clearance issues. I do need to deflate a bit for install/removal due to 
>> brake pads. I’m in Portland as well if you ever wanna link up and get 
>> tire-nerdy in person. Also happy to share pictures. 
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>
>> John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 
>> 44mm Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. 
>> There is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to 
>> deflate the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and 
>> the Sam is great with these tires!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that 
>>> earlier Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer 
>>> models (2018 onward)?
>>>
>>> My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an 
>>> upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will 
>>> accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not 
>>> necessarily a knobbed tire. 
>>>
>>> for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around 
>>> side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that 
>>> respect.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info you may have.
>>> John 
>>> (in Portland OR)
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:
>>>
 Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
 tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
 Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 

 On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 
 bcu...@cullensfoods.com wrote:

> Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
>> compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

2024-06-18 Thread Tim Bantham
I have a friend with the same era Sam that we are discussing. I can confirm 
that the Hurricane Ridge will definitely fit.  Not sure about the 
Manastash. I am thinking about trying these as well. 

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:45:09 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> John, I believe mine is also a 2017 and similar to Tim I do not have any 
> clearance issues. I do need to deflate a bit for install/removal due to 
> brake pads. I’m in Portland as well if you ever wanna link up and get 
> tire-nerdy in person. Also happy to share pictures. 
>
> On Jun 18, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 44mm 
> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. There 
> is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to 
> deflate the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and 
> the Sam is great with these tires!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier 
>> Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models 
>> (2018 onward)?
>>
>> My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an 
>> upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will 
>> accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not 
>> necessarily a knobbed tire. 
>>
>> for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around 
>> side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that 
>> respect.
>>
>> Thanks for any info you may have.
>> John 
>> (in Portland OR)
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
>>> tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
>>> Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
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> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
> compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 

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[RBW] FS: Bleummel fenders and a Wolber 58 rim

2024-06-18 Thread Kim H.
 I have one extra rim and white some Bleummel fenders:
1) one Wolber 58- 36-hole rim - NOS - $50.00, plus shipping
2) 700C Bleummel white fenders with hardware - one pair used - single rear 
- NOS - $60.00, plus shipping.

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread 'John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch
George Schick wrote:  " Grant posted a lengthy article in his December, '23 
Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern helmets are 
constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress during an 
impact,...it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests used to 
measure the integrity of each helmet..:"

George, with all due respect,  this thread contains 2 to 3 instances of 
folks reporting the helmet *did it's jo*b, not including Gordo's crash..  
And there are no instances where folks complained the helmet did *not* do 
it's job, despite what Paterson claims is incorrectly testing. 

I read his Blahg when it came out & I was disturbed about his POV.  I think 
it shows his false logic about wearing a helmet,   It  is worthwhile only 
because it is a POV of an influential person.   

Grant could be wrong, 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown, NJ   
On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:56:53 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> FWIW concerning this discussion, Grant posted a lengthy article in his 
> December, '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern 
> helmets are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress 
> during an impact, than it did wearing vs. not wearing one.  At one time or 
> another I've owned each of the helmets from the past that he highlights - 
> Skid Lid, Kucharik "hair net," etc.  Whether you are pro or con helmet 
> wearing while cycling, it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests 
> used to measure the integrity of each helmet, how it does or doesn't do 
> what it is supposed to do (or at least "hyped" to do), modifications made 
> to existing models, and other things.
>
> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 4:27:36 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> [image: 
>> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>>
>> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
>> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
>> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
>> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
>> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
>> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
>> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
>> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
>> safe Gx”
>>  
>> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
>> 
>> tiktok.com 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Also: “I Love Helmets!”
>>
>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>
>> Prescott Highside (I Love Helmets) 
>> 
>> youtube.com 
>> 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Vintage wheelset - 100/120mm - Phil Wood/Super Champion/Suntour

2024-06-18 Thread Kim H.

The Super Champion 36-hole with presta value hole rim is sold.  
On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 10:12:54 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> Wheelset has been SOLD.
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, 4:43 PM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> The wheelset sale is pending. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 9:28:19 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> I have up for sale a vintage wheel set from my old road bike from the 
>>> early 70s'.
>>>
>>> The wheel set build consist of the following:
>>>
>>> Hubs- Phil Wood 1st generation 36-hole - 100/120mm
>>> Rims - Super Champion 36-hole with presta value holes
>>> Freewheel - NOS Suntour 13-34T Pro Compe Ultra 6
>>> Tires - IRC Tandem 700x30C PSI 100 - sidewalls are showing their threads
>>> Quick Release axles skewers - Campagnolo Nuovo Record
>>>  
>>> Overall Condition - Very good with modest wear. The Phil Wood hub axles 
>>> run smooth without any imperfections.
>>>
>>> The wheelset - $250.00
>>>
>>> I have two extra rims and white Bleummel fenders:
>>> 1) one Super Champion 36-hole rim - used - $40.00
>>> 2) one Wolber 58- 36-hole rim - NOS - $50.00
>>> 3) 700C Bleummel white fenders with hardware - one pair used - single 
>>> rear - NOS - $60.00
>>>
>>> Pictures links are : https://photos.app.goo.gl/83VMhH1cFhpe46bj8
>>>   
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZJDFXSp1bdUwCxAk6
>>>
>>> If you think my pricing is off, shoot me an offer(s). 
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>> Buy everything for $400.00 (total of listed amounts) and I'll ship them 
>>> for no charge.
>>> Otherwise, prices do not include shipping costs. These will be 
>>> calculated to the exact amount prior to shipping through my local post 
>>> office.
>>> Shipping in CONUS.
>>> Paypal payment, please.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

2024-06-18 Thread Brenton Eastman
John, I believe mine is also a 2017 and similar to Tim I do not have any clearance issues. I do need to deflate a bit for install/removal due to brake pads. I’m in Portland as well if you ever wanna link up and get tire-nerdy in person. Also happy to share pictures. On Jun 18, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 44mm Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. There is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to deflate the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and the Sam is great with these tires!On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models (2018 onward)?My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not necessarily a knobbed tire. for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that respect.Thanks for any info you may have.John (in Portland OR)On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com wrote:Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ?




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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Vintage wheelset - 100/120mm - Phil Wood/Super Champion/Suntour

2024-06-18 Thread Kim H.
Wheelset has been SOLD.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, 4:43 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> The wheelset sale is pending.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 9:28:19 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> I have up for sale a vintage wheel set from my old road bike from the
>> early 70s'.
>>
>> The wheel set build consist of the following:
>>
>> Hubs- Phil Wood 1st generation 36-hole - 100/120mm
>> Rims - Super Champion 36-hole with presta value holes
>> Freewheel - NOS Suntour 13-34T Pro Compe Ultra 6
>> Tires - IRC Tandem 700x30C PSI 100 - sidewalls are showing their threads
>> Quick Release axles skewers - Campagnolo Nuovo Record
>>
>> Overall Condition - Very good with modest wear. The Phil Wood hub axles
>> run smooth without any imperfections.
>>
>> The wheelset - $250.00
>>
>> I have two extra rims and white Bleummel fenders:
>> 1) one Super Champion 36-hole rim - used - $40.00
>> 2) one Wolber 58- 36-hole rim - NOS - $50.00
>> 3) 700C Bleummel white fenders with hardware - one pair used - single
>> rear - NOS - $60.00
>>
>> Pictures links are : https://photos.app.goo.gl/83VMhH1cFhpe46bj8
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZJDFXSp1bdUwCxAk6
>>
>> If you think my pricing is off, shoot me an offer(s).
>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>> Buy everything for $400.00 (total of listed amounts) and I'll ship them
>> for no charge.
>> Otherwise, prices do not include shipping costs. These will be calculated
>> to the exact amount prior to shipping through my local post office.
>> Shipping in CONUS.
>> Paypal payment, please.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread George Schick
FWIW concerning this discussion, Grant posted a lengthy article in his 
December, '23 Blahg issue.  His points revolved more around the way modern 
helmets are constructed, using styrofoam-like material that won't compress 
during an impact, than it did wearing vs. not wearing one.  At one time or 
another I've owned each of the helmets from the past that he highlights - 
Skid Lid, Kucharik "hair net," etc.  Whether you are pro or con helmet 
wearing while cycling, it's a worthwhile read.  He covers various tests 
used to measure the integrity of each helmet, how it does or doesn't do 
what it is supposed to do (or at least "hyped" to do), modifications made 
to existing models, and other things.

On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 4:27:36 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> [image: 
> oMe3QaPR4E9b7DDpDnQFwbXwIfYum0EBKDB8bA~tplv-photomode-video-share-card:1200:630:20.jpeg]
>
> 1.1M likes, 21.3K comments. “Sound ON for this one…with #FathersDay 
> tomorrow I have very important message for all the dads out there…WEAR A 
> HELMET ! This week I had a really bad accident while riding my bike in 
> Connecticut. I'm doing ok and did not break any bones or suffer any major 
> injuries but I am a bit bruised up looking like a purple potato. I’m 
> thankful for all the doctors, nurses and staff at Lawerence + Memorial 
> Hospital in New London who looked after me and checked me out, but most 
> thankful for my helmet that saved my life. Have a great Father’s Day and be 
> safe Gx”
>  
> TikTok · Gordon Ramsay 
> 
> tiktok.com 
> 
> 
>
> Also: “I Love Helmets!”
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> Prescott Highside (I Love Helmets) 
> 
> youtube.com 
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

2024-06-18 Thread john Bokman
Tim, thanks for the confirmation!

I would be using knobbies for an upcoming trip. My hope would be to use the 
Rene Herse Manastash tires, which purportedly are 44mm wide on the Dyad rim 
width. Alternatively, I could use the Hurricanes at 42mm. All things equal I’d 
rather get the fatter meats in there (I do realize I will need to deflate tires 
to remove).

Anyone out there use the Hurricane Ridge or Manastash successfully on an older 
Sam frame?


> On Jun 18, 2024, at 9:33 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
> 
> John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 44mm 
> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. There 
> is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to deflate 
> the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and the Sam is 
> great with these tires!
> 
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
> Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier 
> Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models 
> (2018 onward)?
> 
> My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an 
> upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will 
> accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not 
> necessarily a knobbed tire. 
> 
> for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around side 
> pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that 
> respect.
> 
> Thanks for any info you may have.
> John 
> (in Portland OR)
> 
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:
> Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with tektro 
> side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 Rene herse, 
> and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 
> 
> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com <> 
> wrote:
> Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 
> 
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have compared 
> to say a Paul Racer side pull ?
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

2024-06-18 Thread Tim Bantham
John, my Sam is a 2017 model designed around side pulls. I am riding 44mm 
Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass on Velocity Quill rims. Paul Racer brakes. There 
is plenty of clearance for the tires front and rear but I do have to 
deflate the tires a bit to get them out. It's been a non-issue for me and 
the Sam is great with these tires!

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 12:21:39 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier 
> Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models 
> (2018 onward)?
>
> My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an 
> upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will 
> accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not 
> necessarily a knobbed tire. 
>
> for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around 
> side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that 
> respect.
>
> Thanks for any info you may have.
> John 
> (in Portland OR)
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:
>
>> Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
>> tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
>> Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 
>>
>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
 compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Donzaemon
I haven't read any studies on cycling injuries in the Netherlands, but I'm 
going to assume the low injury rate is due to a number of factors, 
including high quality bike infrastructure, traffic calming measures, and 
general positive attitude towards sharing spaces between the different 
modes of transport, particularly bike/ped. In contrast, most of the US is 
hostile to cyclists and pedestrians so if you're a cyclist, it's in your 
best interests to mitigate risks. 

-Don

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 8:23:54 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is a reasonable attitude toward helmet use. Apparently Dutch cyclists 
> don't use them by and large -- from what I've read, using a helmet would be 
> considered odd by most Dutch cyclists -- yet have among the lowest rate of 
> cycling head injuries in the world (if someone can recall the study more 
> clearly and give a link or the particulars, I'd be grateful). And of course 
> there is always Jobst Brandt.
>
> I too have read that statistically walking is more dangerous to your head 
> than cycling.
>
> Max S said of riding sans helmet "2) more drivers give me greater courtesy 
> / respect than before." Do others have this experience? Does anyone know 
> why this might be so? I haven't used a helmet for close to 25 years and I 
> can't say that I've noticed a difference in driver behavior. But I ride 
> very carefully which includes the (I think) right amount of self-assertion.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 3:21 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>
>> The current advice (from doctors and public health types) seems to be 
>> binary: always wear a helmet when biking, never wear a helmet when walking 
>> or driving. That seems to be missing some nuance!
>>
>> I would tweak it to say: consider a helmet when skiing fast, biking on 
>> single track, or biking very fast in a tight pack with friends. But then 
>> what about walking and driving (when most American TBIs happen)? Never? Not 
>> even in the most dangerous conditions: night time, snowy, icy or wet roads? 
>> Walking on ice or snow? No, it is quite safe, though when bad things 
>> happen, it is bad.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:
>>>
>>> I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and 
>>> spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my 
>>> taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw 
>>> a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia" 
>>> and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of 
>>> smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience 
>>> would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of 
>>> rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a 
>>> Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I 
>>> never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere 
>>> other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis. 
>>>
>>> 12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar 
>>> situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back 
>>> of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a 
>>> helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my 
>>> forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain 
>>> my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TBI. Since then, 
>>> I've purchased a few different helmets and I don't ride my bike without one 
>>> on my head, plus quality lights & reflective gear at night. 
>>>
>>> -tio "life without a sense of smell is pretty bleak" ryan
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on 
 city streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in 
 various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff, 
 anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15 
 and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half 
 hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some 
 costing 
 upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to 
 riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and 
 position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get 
 headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy / 
 respect than before. 

 - Max "living on the edge" in A2 

 On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.
>
> The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while 
> driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

2024-06-18 Thread John Bokman
Brent, what year model do you have? I'm under the impression that earlier 
Sams (like my 2017, 58cm) do not accept as fat a tire as the newer models 
(2018 onward)?

My use case is trying to figure how fat a knobby I can install for an 
upcoming offroad trip. Some say a 43mm wide knob is all that the frame will 
accept, while the Riv site itself says 45mm tires fit - albeit not 
necessarily a knobbed tire. 

for the record, I'm on Velocity Dyad rims. And my Sam is designed around 
side pull brakes, but I had canti posts installed so have more room in that 
respect.

Thanks for any info you may have.
John 
(in Portland OR)

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:37:12 PM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote:

> Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
> tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
> Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 
>
> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
>>> compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Brian Turner
I feel like the healthiest way to approach the helmet discussion - always -
is to simply discuss the various reasons why or why not folks personally
decide to use them. It's always better than asking "should you, or
shouldn't you?", and definitely better than discussing whether or not they
should be mandated or compulsory (something I personally would be staunchly
opposed to, even though I usually wear a helmet). Further, I find the
question of "why don't we wear them while driving, or walking outside" a
false equivalency, and really adds nothing to the conversation but a
certain undertone of scorn or mockery.

Like many things in life that tend to be controversial, your own personal
attitude is usually dictated by whether or not you've been adversely
affected by it. I never wore a helmet until one night in 2007 when my wife
was struck by a hit-and-run driver as we were pedaling home... not even
half a mile from our house. I was maybe 50 ft in front of her when she was
struck. She was wearing her helmet, I was not. The impact folded her back
wheel, ejected her from her bike, and caused her head to hit the curb, also
breaking her ankle in the process. Her head was fine, but her helmet was
split right up the back, as it did its job. First thing the cops asked us
when they arrived on the scene was, "why were you guys riding bikes at
night"? I wanted to punch him in the mouth for victim-blaming. We had
lights, and were riding well within our rights to the road. That whole
experience shook me, and still haunts my wife every time she hops on a bike.

I used to only wear my helmet when riding in traffic or in groups, but with
the proliferation of e-bikes and the number of lycra-clad time trialers
using shared use paths for training, or catching KOMs, I definitely grab
the helmet more and more these days... probably 98% of the time.

Plus, my wife gently reminds me every time I walk out the door to go hop on
the bike.

Brian
Lexington, KY

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:23 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> This is a reasonable attitude toward helmet use. Apparently Dutch cyclists
> don't use them by and large -- from what I've read, using a helmet would be
> considered odd by most Dutch cyclists -- yet have among the lowest rate of
> cycling head injuries in the world (if someone can recall the study more
> clearly and give a link or the particulars, I'd be grateful). And of course
> there is always Jobst Brandt.
>
> I too have read that statistically walking is more dangerous to your head
> than cycling.
>
> Max S said of riding sans helmet "2) more drivers give me greater courtesy
> / respect than before." Do others have this experience? Does anyone know
> why this might be so? I haven't used a helmet for close to 25 years and I
> can't say that I've noticed a difference in driver behavior. But I ride
> very carefully which includes the (I think) right amount of self-assertion.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 3:21 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>
>> The current advice (from doctors and public health types) seems to be
>> binary: always wear a helmet when biking, never wear a helmet when walking
>> or driving. That seems to be missing some nuance!
>>
>> I would tweak it to say: consider a helmet when skiing fast, biking on
>> single track, or biking very fast in a tight pack with friends. But then
>> what about walking and driving (when most American TBIs happen)? Never? Not
>> even in the most dangerous conditions: night time, snowy, icy or wet roads?
>> Walking on ice or snow? No, it is quite safe, though when bad things
>> happen, it is bad.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:
>>>
>>> I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and
>>> spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my
>>> taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw
>>> a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia"
>>> and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of
>>> smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience
>>> would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of
>>> rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a
>>> Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I
>>> never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere
>>> other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis.
>>>
>>> 12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar
>>> situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back
>>> of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a
>>> helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my
>>> forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain
>>> my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TB

Re: [RBW] Airline travel case recommendation

2024-06-18 Thread T Cal
I second the EVOC.  I’m very happy with it.

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 7:51:28 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I’ve been happy with the Evoc bike bag pro:
>
> [image: 721428-02_1_b9206053-b828-4c86-a765-2f334f500ac1.jpg]
>
> Bike Bag Pro 
> evocsports.us 
> 
>
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jun 17, 2024, at 7:02 AM, Bernard Duhon  
> wrote:
>
>  
>
>  
>  
>   
>  
>  
> Gang,
> I'm looking for recommendations for airline travel case.
> Hardshell?
> Softshell?
> Model?
> Brand?
>  
> The case alone should weigh not too much above 20 pounds as my touring 
> bike with racks is pretty close to 30 pounds and I want to keep it under 
> the airline 50 pound weight limit.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Yours sincerely, 
>  
>
> Bernard F. Duhon
>  
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto stem and bars, Schwalbe tires

2024-06-18 Thread Calvin Yolo
All bars sold

Stems:
26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60

Tires:
650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-7 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> Wavie and Faceplayer taken
>
>
> Stems:
> 26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
> 26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60
>
> Bars:
> 26.0/40cm Nitto Noodle - $40
>
> Tires:
> 650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair
>
> Prices include shipping. Can work out a lower price if you want to pick it 
> up or combine items.
> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:19:22 PM UTC-7 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> PM sent
>
>
>>
>> On Thursday 13 June 2024 at 10:33:46 UTC-5 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>>
>>> Stems:
>>> 26.0/10cm Nitto DirtDrop (MT-10) - $50
>>> 26.0/8cm Nitto Tallux - $60
>>> 25.4/8.5cm Nitto TIG FacePlater (CR60-3T) - $100
>>>
>>> Bars:
>>> 25.4/66cm Nitto Wavie - $100
>>> 26.0/40cm Nitto Noodle - $40
>>>
>>> Tires:
>>> 650b/2.25" Schwalbe G-ONE Allaround - $100/pair
>>>
>>> My 53cm Lugged Susie in Sergio green is still for sale too, $1800 
>>> shipped or $100 off if you pick it up.
>>>
>>> Prices include shipping. Can work out a lower price if you want to pick 
>>> it up or combine items.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Patrick Moore
This is a reasonable attitude toward helmet use. Apparently Dutch cyclists
don't use them by and large -- from what I've read, using a helmet would be
considered odd by most Dutch cyclists -- yet have among the lowest rate of
cycling head injuries in the world (if someone can recall the study more
clearly and give a link or the particulars, I'd be grateful). And of course
there is always Jobst Brandt.

I too have read that statistically walking is more dangerous to your head
than cycling.

Max S said of riding sans helmet "2) more drivers give me greater courtesy
/ respect than before." Do others have this experience? Does anyone know
why this might be so? I haven't used a helmet for close to 25 years and I
can't say that I've noticed a difference in driver behavior. But I ride
very carefully which includes the (I think) right amount of self-assertion.



On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 3:21 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> The current advice (from doctors and public health types) seems to be
> binary: always wear a helmet when biking, never wear a helmet when walking
> or driving. That seems to be missing some nuance!
>
> I would tweak it to say: consider a helmet when skiing fast, biking on
> single track, or biking very fast in a tight pack with friends. But then
> what about walking and driving (when most American TBIs happen)? Never? Not
> even in the most dangerous conditions: night time, snowy, icy or wet roads?
> Walking on ice or snow? No, it is quite safe, though when bad things
> happen, it is bad.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:
>
>> Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:
>>
>> I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and
>> spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my
>> taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw
>> a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia"
>> and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of
>> smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience
>> would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of
>> rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a
>> Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I
>> never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere
>> other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis.
>>
>> 12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar
>> situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back
>> of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a
>> helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my
>> forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain
>> my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TBI. Since then,
>> I've purchased a few different helmets and I don't ride my bike without one
>> on my head, plus quality lights & reflective gear at night.
>>
>> -tio "life without a sense of smell is pretty bleak" ryan
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on
>>> city streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in
>>> various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff,
>>> anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15
>>> and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half
>>> hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some costing
>>> upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to
>>> riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and
>>> position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get
>>> headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy /
>>> respect than before.
>>>
>>> - Max "living on the edge" in A2
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>>
 The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.

 The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while
 driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And then there's the
 home, slip & falls etc. A biking buddy of mine slipped on ice and hit his
 head, had to go to the hospital for a few days. No he wasn't wearing a
 helmet. Wasn't cycling either. So what am I supposed to do, put on a helmet
 when I get up in the morning?

 I mix and match, and always wear it on group rides, which were the only
 occasions I've crashed over the years.
 To make matters more complicated, I seem to get more respect from, ah,
 rural traffic when I'm wearing a ball cap. Strictly anecdotal, of course.

 cheers -m

 On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:28:40 AM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> *TBI sorry all
>
> On

[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

2024-06-18 Thread Ted Durant
I was a "wear a helmet when riding with others, but not when riding alone" 
guy until 10/30/22. Solo riding I didn't much worry about hitting the 
ground, but riding with others is much more likely to make that happen in 
my experience. And then I got taken to the ground by a hawk flying into my 
front wheel. I went down fast and hard and the momentum brought the side of 
my head onto the pavement with a convincing thwack. I was riding with my 
usual riding buddy and had, kind of at the last second, grabbed my helmet 
for that ride. It was that helmet's last ride, as it gave itself up to 
reduce the damage to my brain. It left its mark, though ... I still have a 
scar on my cheek where the helmet buckle tore the skin. Fair trade, I say. 
As my friend who was a bank CFO and is a cyclist said, "Huh, that wasn't on 
my risk inventory." Mine either, but now it is.

FWIW.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] FS: 54 Roadini in Sergio Green

2024-06-18 Thread Doug H.
Yes, it is. I deleted this post and created another. Thanks.

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 7:55:52 AM UTC-4 Richard Rose wrote:

> Hi Doug. This bike color looks like Mermaid to me?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 17, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> This was a recent acquisition but I've decided to move on from it. Here 
> are the details:
>
> Rivendell Roadini 54 Sergio Green
>
> ·Velocity Dyad 36 spoke wheelset with Shimano 105 hubs 700c
>
> ·Velo Orange Crankset 175mm 48/34 chain rings
>
> ·Shimano XT 9 speed cassette
>
> ·Microshift front and rear derailleurs
>
> ·Shimano Dura Ace bar-end shifters
>
> ·Albatross HT handlebars
>
> ·Nitto 12cm stem
>
> ·Tektro long reach brake calipers with Shimano XT brake levers
>
> ·Kalloy seat post
>
> ·Berthoud leather saddle
>
> ·VO platform pedals
>
> ·VO Moderniste bottle cage
>
> ·SOMA Shikoro tires 38mm
>
> Frameset is in excellent condition with no dings or dents. I’m willing to 
> ship and share cost within reason. For size reference, I am 5’10” with an 
> 83 PBH and this size 54 fits great. For drop bars I would use a 5cm stem. 
> The photos show it with a dynamo setup which I plan to keep but if you'd 
> like it then we can talk price. $2,000 plus shipping (will share shipping 
> cost) I have nothing negative to say about the Roadini and its superb ride 
> quality. Circumstances can change quickly and a sale is needed.
>
> Roadini 
>
> [image: IMG_1185.JPEG]
>
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Platypus = Appaloosa/Atlantis?

2024-06-18 Thread Tim Bantham
I own a Sam, a Homer and a Platy. I've owned an Appaloosa in the past and 
have used it for loaded touring. This question is in my wheelhouse. I think 
all of these are different bikes. The Appaloosa is stout and rides great. I 
loaded mine up for a week long tour. I had front and rear panniers and a 
gigantic load. I knew I had way too much weight on the bike when I hit the 
first hill. It was my early days of touring when I thought I had to take 
all but the kitchen sink with me. That said the Appaloosa handled the heavy 
load just fine. I wouldn't have been comfortable doing that on any of the 
other bikes mentioned.  Since that time I've learned to take a lot less 
gear with me. I try to get everything in a large rear bag combined with a 
basket bag out front. Either the Sam or Platypus would be capable of this 
type of load. Technically the AHH as well but mine is stripped down and 
rackless as I use it as a road bike. 

I'm going to take the Platypus for a week long tour this summer. I am 
choosing that bike over the Sam mostly because of the frame design and 
geometry. The combination of the slack head tube, long chain stays and 
convenient step thru frame makes the Platy perfect for a light tour. If I 
was going to ride it across the world or even the US I would no doubt want 
an Atlantis or Appaloosa. But for the average light load once a year tour a 
Platypus would perform as well as any full blown touring model. 



On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 6:56:15 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> I currently own a platypus, Homer, and Betty Foy. In the past, I’ve also 
> owned an Appaloosa. . I’ve ridden. the Sam Hillbourne. but just for testing 
> purposes. 
>
> Homer rides most light and nimbly, and Appaloosa rides most “Cadillac “ 
> like., very solid, passing over potholes as if they were not there. Platy 
> rides more nimbly than Appaloosa but not as mich as  Homer. From my 
> recollection, Platy ride feels lighter than Sam did. for ride quality, I’d 
> probably liken it closest to Sam but better.   
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:10:51 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks to everyone that's chimed in so far. 
>>
>> Hoch, thanks for muddying the waters even more now! And the fact that the 
>> Platypus can fit larger tires than the Homer and Sam could definitely be a 
>> reason for its association with the Atlantis/Appaloosa.
>>
>> Dave, good point about how the build can really determine the temperament 
>> of the bike. And Eben's post was a good read, thanks for the link.
>>
>> Michael, thank you for the link to the Blue Lug video, had not seen that 
>> before. It was really great to see the three of them discuss all the Riv 
>> models and chart them accordingly. Super helpful.
>>
>> If anyone has any first-hand comparisons, would love to hear about them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Kailua, HI
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 6:09:45 AM UTC-10 Michael Connors wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Blue Lug did a discussion on youtube. Watch the Appaloosa and Platypus 
>>> segments
>>> https://youtu.be/Yx83uMhIgKA?t=3179
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Airline travel case recommendation

2024-06-18 Thread Brian Forsee
I am a fan of and have had good luck with the OruCase Airport Ninja. The 
new one has wheels on it which adds a couple of pounds. I found an older 
one without the wheels on ebay. Case is something like 12lb. Fork removal 
is required.

Brian

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 2:41:34 PM UTC-5 eddietheflay wrote:

> If you can remove the fork then the Post Transfer Case is a good one. 
>
> https://postcarry.co/products/transfer-case
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:08:01 AM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I use a cardboard box in case I need to ditch it.  I sometimes carry  my 
>> packing materials.  Once I shuttled a guys luggage and bike box.  The box 
>> didn't seem great.  The keystone piece was like the pizza box plastic thing 
>> that kept the sides from collapsing.  I use the rigid foam block for my 
>> fork that came w/my bike from Riv.  Make sure your box has something like 
>> that.
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:24:36 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> My airline travel case
>>>
>>> the bike would be a 52 cm.
>>>
>>> I would like a case that would accommodate both my dropbar and my 
>>> touring bike with albatross bars
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> Bernard F. Duhon
>>>
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Hoch in ut
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2024 9:23 AM
>>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Airline travel case recommendation
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> What bike/size? There are road bike/dropbar specific cases, ones for 
>>> long bike (aka new breed of Riv’s), etc. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-6 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Gang,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for recommendations for airline travel case.
>>>
>>> Hardshell?
>>>
>>> Softshell?
>>>
>>> Model?
>>>
>>> Brand?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The case alone should weigh not too much above 20 pounds as my touring 
>>> bike with racks is pretty close to 30 pounds and I want to keep it under 
>>> the airline 50 pound weight limit.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely, 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> Bernard F. Duhon
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 54 Roadini in Sergio Green

2024-06-18 Thread Richard Rose
Hi Doug. This bike color looks like Mermaid to me?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 17, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Doug H.  wrote:This was a recent acquisition but I've decided to move on from it. Here are the details:Rivendell Roadini 54 Sergio Green

·   
Velocity Dyad 36 spoke wheelset with Shimano 105
hubs 700c

·   
Velo Orange Crankset 175mm 48/34 chain rings

·   
Shimano XT 9 speed cassette

·   
Microshift front and rear derailleurs

·   
Shimano Dura Ace bar-end shifters

·   
Albatross HT handlebars

·   
Nitto 12cm stem

·   
Tektro long reach brake calipers with Shimano XT
brake levers

·   
Kalloy seat post

·   
Berthoud leather saddle

·   
VO platform pedals

·   
VO Moderniste bottle cage

·   
SOMA Shikoro tires 38mm

Frameset is in excellent condition with no dings or dents.
I’m willing to ship and share cost within reason. For size reference, I am
5’10” with an 83 PBH and this size 54 fits great. For drop bars I would use a
5cm stem. The photos show it with a dynamo setup which I plan to keep but if you'd like it then we can talk price. $2,000 plus shipping (will share shipping cost) I have nothing negative to say about the Roadini and its superb ride quality. Circumstances can change quickly and a sale is needed.RoadiniDoug



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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 54 in Mermaid

2024-06-18 Thread Doug H.
SOLD

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 7:16:18 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> [image: Doug H.'s profile photo]
> This was a recent acquisition but I've decided to move on from it. Here 
> are the details:
>
> Rivendell Roadini 54 Mermaid
>
> ·Velocity Dyad 36 spoke wheelset with Shimano 105 hubs 700c
>
> ·Velo Orange Crankset 175mm 48/34 chain rings
>
> ·Shimano XT 9 speed cassette
>
> ·Microshift front and rear derailleurs
>
> ·Shimano Dura Ace bar-end shifters
>
> ·Albatross HT handlebars
>
> ·Nitto 12cm stem
>
> ·Tektro long reach brake calipers with Shimano XT brake levers
>
> ·Kalloy seat post
>
> ·Berthoud leather saddle
>
> ·VO platform pedals
>
> ·VO Moderniste bottle cage
>
> ·SOMA Shikoro tires 38mm
>
> Frameset is in excellent condition with no dings or dents. I’m willing to 
> ship and share cost within reason. For size reference, I am 5’10” with an 
> 83 PBH and this size 54 fits great. For drop bars I would use a 5cm stem. 
> The photos show it with a dynamo setup which I plan to keep but if you'd 
> like it then we can talk price. $2,000 plus shipping (will share shipping 
> cost) I have nothing negative to say about the Roadini and its superb ride 
> quality. Circumstances can change quickly and a sale is needed.
>
> Roadini Photos 
>
> [image: IMG_1185.JPEG]
>
> Doug
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Now officially a member

2024-06-18 Thread Roberta

Lovely lime-olive!  Enjoy your ride. And, if you can ride with Leah in a 
few weeks you’ll find her happiness infectious. 

Roberta 
On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 5:36:02 PM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Still needs some racks and other changes, but here she is.
>
> Thinking of having some 44 slicks on for when I’m on the road (opinions 
> welcome). And possibly swapping the Shimano dyno hub and the light with the 
> SON and Edelux I have on my other bike. 
>
> Will likely never be done with accessorizing. Considering Pass and Stow 
> rack instead of the Nitto. And unsure of direction with fenders. 
>
> Relative to the N+1 crowd, heard. Small garage and a mental focus on 
> minimizing the “stuff” I don’t use…I may sell the old bike. It may become 
> something else. Will see….
>
> Ted
>
> On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Welcome indeed.
> You MUST be new here -- where are the pictures??
>
> Also congratulations on New Bike Day. You added to your quiver, all good.
>
> But where does this "bike to sell" idea come from..? 
> N+1
>
> cheers -mathias
>
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 7:18:57 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Welcome T!!
>> Happy Rolling
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Picked up my Platypus today at Mack's Bike and Goods here in Evanston, 
>>> IL. Rode my old bike there, and left it at the shop (maybe forever?). Put 
>>> 30 miles on the tires, and almost 2 hours of smiles on my face. 
>>>
>>> Team at Riv (James in this instance) were supportive in the shopping 
>>> phase. 
>>>
>>> All good. Now I've an old bike to sell.
>>>
>>> T
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Platypus = Appaloosa/Atlantis?

2024-06-18 Thread Roberta
I currently own a platypus, Homer, and Betty Foy. In the past, I’ve also 
owned an Appaloosa. . I’ve ridden. the Sam Hillbourne. but just for testing 
purposes. 

Homer rides most light and nimbly, and Appaloosa rides most “Cadillac “ 
like., very solid, passing over potholes as if they were not there. Platy 
rides more nimbly than Appaloosa but not as mich as  Homer. From my 
recollection, Platy ride feels lighter than Sam did. for ride quality, I’d 
probably liken it closest to Sam but better.   

Roberta
Philadelphia

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 2:10:51 AM UTC-4 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Thanks to everyone that's chimed in so far. 
>
> Hoch, thanks for muddying the waters even more now! And the fact that the 
> Platypus can fit larger tires than the Homer and Sam could definitely be a 
> reason for its association with the Atlantis/Appaloosa.
>
> Dave, good point about how the build can really determine the temperament 
> of the bike. And Eben's post was a good read, thanks for the link.
>
> Michael, thank you for the link to the Blue Lug video, had not seen that 
> before. It was really great to see the three of them discuss all the Riv 
> models and chart them accordingly. Super helpful.
>
> If anyone has any first-hand comparisons, would love to hear about them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~Mark
> Kailua, HI
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 6:09:45 AM UTC-10 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>>
>> Blue Lug did a discussion on youtube. Watch the Appaloosa and Platypus 
>> segments
>> https://youtu.be/Yx83uMhIgKA?t=3179
>>
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