Re: [RBW] Who needs a Restoration Project? Madden Mountain Panniers / Kangaroo Bag Panniers

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Madden Bags have a project manager 

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 2:02:31 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Kangaroo Bags are spoken for. 
> Madden Bags are available still. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Rossen wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I would cover the shipping to the boston area, and give the bags some 
>> love and finish this project!
>>
>> let me know,
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:47 AM Cyclofiend Jim  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Digging through boxes in my garage and unearthed three sets of panniers 
>>> from the late 80's/early 90's. They all have noticeable "stored nylon" funk 
>>> (an "olfactory adventure"?) and all of the strap tie-down guides have 
>>> degraded and failed. (If they had just spent the extra $'s and used a 
>>> non-rubber part) 
>>>
>>> I've sprayed them all with some defunk enzymatic and hung them in the 
>>> sun for a day or two. They aren't going to cause gagging, but they aren't 
>>> exactly odor-free. If I were going to do the restoration, I'd put them into 
>>> a nice large washing machine and run them through, then hang them in the 
>>> sun for a bit. A little borax in the laundry, perhaps...
>>>
>>> However, before I did that, I'd want to pick off all the strap guide 
>>> remnants which have degraded. They were rubber and have completely dried 
>>> out in the (mumble-mumble) years since I bought them (Ok... bought these 
>>> back in the 1980s...). When I started airing them out, chunks fell away 
>>> from each one. They are toast. 
>>>
>>> I'd probably look for a sail bag maker or a friend who has a commercial 
>>> sewing machine, cut some thick leather in the shape of the strap guides and 
>>> sew them in place. They will probably work without the guides, but it would 
>>> be a better fix.
>>>
>>> If you have read this far, then you know the quality of the old Madden 
>>> Mountain Panniers and first generation Kangaroo Bags. This was seriously 
>>> overbuilt gear. I had to resign them to landfill. 
>>>
>>> I have a bunch of detailed images which I took yesterday.
>>>
>>> If this sounds like something you are interested in, take a look at the 
>>> images. The Madden Mountain pannier sets snap together when off the bike. 
>>> The Kangaroo Bags have nicely overlapping top covers. and a cinchable top 
>>> to the compartment. All zippers and snaps seem to be in great shape. 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jKrRmJA5cQxMThF99
>>>
>>> I used these a few times, but they never got the miles they deserved. If 
>>> you want to take this on, I really just want to cover shipping to your 
>>> location. As I said, I just don't want to toss them into landfill. They are 
>>> in good shape, except for the funk and the failed strap guides. 
>>>
>>> So, if you want to take on stewardship of this project, message me 
>>> directly. Pickup available if you are in the general SF Bay Area. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for considering this!
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[Ted Fay]

Fabulous. Now this is beginning to look more and more like a photo contest. TedOn Jul 10, 2024, at 9:48 PM, Keith Paugh  wrote:Looks like a beautiful spot Andy!Here’s one from the Baylands yesterday:Keith PaughPalo Alto, CAOn Jul 10, 2024, at 6:35 PM, Andrew Scherer  wrote:New Homer build on it's second ride at Blue Mountain Reservoir in Saugerties, NYAndy SchererManhattan & Woodstock NY USAOn Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:@mwillrossi: I definitely feel you on the too hot, too humid front. Brutal here in Virginia @Nicholas: Dang, I love photos with rain in the distance, thanks for sharing this one!On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 9:25:27 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:Can’t think of a more proper setting for an Atlantis in the wild.👌k.On Jul 8, 2024, at 5:04 PM, Josh C  wrote:



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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day!

[Keith Paugh]

Brian,I was there in the morning yesterday too.I think I saw your bike!Let’s see some new ride photos!k.On Jul 10, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Brian Watts  wrote:I made the pilgrimage to Walnut Creek via Bart yesterday, my Sam was waiting for me. I thought it would be romantic to ride home and get a proper feel for my first Rivendell...and it WAS. Roman is a pleasure to work with and he showed me some details of the bike. I didn't know this but they give you some swag too:patch kit, allen tool, bandana, the new seatpost diam. stickers etc...fun!Build details: I bought the Sam Hillborne to replace a Crust Romanceur and moved most of the parts over. The low trail handling of the Romanceur did not sit well with me, felt too unstable and quick descents felt borderline dangerous requiring both hands on bars. I did need 700c wheels so I kept with the Velocity Quills in case I go tubeless again. *Hub sound is important to me, I have a White T11 that is very loud (too loud for me) and would make sense (to me) on a proper road bike. But the Sam (and the Crust) is my do most things bike, including low speed neighborhood runs with my kids, errands, etc. A loud hub is a conversation non-starter in these situations. I visited RBW earlier and really liked the stock Velocity hub, louder than Deore but still quiet-ish, a classy sound imo. Rich used one word to describe the Silvr hub.LOUD. I also have the Velocity dynamo hub which Rich says is the same as the Kasai (which isn't in stock atm.*Son light, paul cantis, White VBC cranks (44x30) albatross bars, a new RBW front rack etc.Bike thoughts: Only 20 miles with some hills into it but I love the stability! That was my main reason for selling the Crust and I love how the Sam handles. With sweep back bars the handling can become too light but I was able to ride hands free down small hills which I would never try on the low trail Crust. YAY!! I will fine tune bar height; the stem is a Tallux 12 which is an error, we had decided on the 90-190 so Roman will have that switched next week. I will try to post pics here but if not I will reply with pics.I may change the eggplant bartape to olive or navy or grey. I'm open to suggestions!I'm looking forward to more time on the bike, thanks for reading!Brian



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[RBW] New Bike Day!

[Brian Watts]

I made the pilgrimage to Walnut Creek via Bart yesterday, my Sam was 
waiting for me. I thought it would be romantic to ride home and get a 
proper feel for my first Rivendell...and it WAS. Roman is a pleasure to 
work with and he showed me some details of the bike. I didn't know this but 
they give you some swag too:patch kit, allen tool, bandana, the new 
seatpost diam. stickers etc...fun!


Build details: I bought the Sam Hillborne to replace a Crust Romanceur and 
moved most of the parts over. The low trail handling of the Romanceur did 
not sit well with me, felt too unstable and quick descents felt borderline 
dangerous requiring both hands on bars. I did need 700c wheels so I kept 
with the Velocity Quills in case I go tubeless again. 
*Hub sound is important to me, I have a White T11 that is very loud (too 
loud for me) and would make sense (to me) on a proper road bike. But the 
Sam (and the Crust) is my do most things bike, including low speed 
neighborhood runs with my kids, errands, etc. A loud hub is a conversation 
non-starter in these situations. I visited RBW earlier and really liked the 
stock Velocity hub, louder than Deore but still quiet-ish, a classy sound 
imo. Rich used one word to describe the Silvr hub.LOUD. I also have the 
Velocity dynamo hub which Rich says is the same as the Kasai (which isn't 
in stock atm.
*Son light, paul cantis, White VBC cranks (44x30) albatross bars, a new RBW 
front rack etc.
Bike thoughts: Only 20 miles with some hills into it but I love the 
stability! That was my main reason for selling the Crust and I love how the 
Sam handles. With sweep back bars the handling can become too light but I 
was able to ride hands free down small hills which I would never try on the 
low trail Crust. YAY!! I will fine tune bar height; the stem is a Tallux 12 
which is an error, we had decided on the 90-190 so Roman will have that 
switched next week. I will try to post pics here but if not I will reply 
with pics.

I may change the eggplant bartape to olive or navy or grey. I'm open to 
suggestions!

I'm looking forward to more time on the bike, thanks for reading!
Brian

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[RBW] Re: 56cm Wilbury - like new - $1600 New Mexico

[NYCbikeguy]

Interested in the stem and possibly the whole cockpit setup!
are they still available?

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 7:26:46 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> @Aaron
>
> What model is the Brooks saddle ?
> What are the Shimano shifters 8spd or 9spd ? 
> friction - left and friction and indexed ?
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 4:41:53 PM UTC-7 A. D. M. wrote:
>
>>
>> Frame is sold. Let me know if anyone needs parts.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron 
>> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 1:01:06 PM UTC-6 A. D. M. wrote:
>>
>>> 56cm Rivendell Wilbury 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I bought this 56cm Rivendell Wilbury a few years back as a demo bike. I 
>>> quickly decided it was sadly too small for me and would like to pass it on. 
>>> It has fewer than 100 miles on it and shows as such. These were made in 
>>> Japan.
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything is like new with a couple blemishes as shown in the photos. 
>>> There is a small chip on the top tube and a touched up chip near the rear 
>>> brake. 
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 buying options: 
>>>
>>>
>>> As shown, includes everything except wheels. $1600 plus shipping. I have 
>>> a box and will pack carefully.
>>>
>>>
>>> Frame, fork, and headset. $1200 plus shipping. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Current build is Nitto lugged stem, albatross bars, and seatpost. Sugino 
>>> cranks. XT RD, 105 FD. Dia Compe brakes with Kool Stop pads. Brooks sprung 
>>> saddle. Shimano shifters and Portuguese cork grips with dia Compe brake 
>>> levers. All are like new. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I’d also be open to trades for a fixed gear in 57/58cm. Quickbeam, 
>>> simple one?
>>>
>>>
>>> Photos here https://photos.app.goo.gl/D7CtL3oj4mzXSMBW8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read more about the Wilbury Glorius in RR34 here 
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/RR34.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron in the valley (New Mexico)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTF a 26.0 Albastache for my questionable Canti Rom?

[NYCbikeguy]

I have a 26.0 moustache bar, original to the old school atlantis, would you 
be interested?
Let me know!

Best,
IY from New Haven, CT/NYC

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 7:45:56 PM UTC-4 jinxed wrote:

> OK, used a better camera and found some lighting that illustrates the area:
>
> [image: IMG_6444.jpg][image: IMG_6446.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 3:53:43 PM UTC-6 jinxed wrote:
>
>> I may have made a hasty purchase and ended up with a bum frame. But I'm 
>> going to try to make the best of it.
>>
>> So...I parted ways with my 26" Atlantis a while back in hopes to find a 
>> 55-56ish 700c Hillborne (short stay) to replace it. I watched Riv, and the 
>> used market for literally years, and just kept missing them. I fell short 
>> of a wanted ad, as I didnt really NEED one and figured it would pop up one 
>> day. Well, I sort of gave up and stopped checking. However, as age, and 
>> circumstances will do, I am now creeping closer to the need of a more 
>> upright and comfortable bike. I check in here and BOOM...a new run of short 
>> stay Hillbornes!! AND they're sold out in my size. Ugh. 
>>
>> Deflated, I go back to trolling the used market, and my first search 
>> brings up a 55 Canti Rom...20 minutes from me. THIS would do nicely and was 
>> a previous target of obsessive searching. The seller informs me there's a 
>> brake lever ding on the TT and dent on the seat stay. Not deterred, we plan 
>> to meet. 75yo gentleman who clearly has ridden some bikes, and seems to be 
>> a DIY mechanic. Bike looks good, albeit with an odd build. Not Rivvy, but 
>> more hodgepodge of commuter/2000 road bike. Rode fine, set up was not 
>> comfortable for me but the frame fit, the dents were unfortunate but not 
>> apparently damaging. We strike a deal, and I bring it home.
>>
>> The lay of the land: 
>> Threadless adaptor with super upright stem and Noodle bars which I do not 
>> like
>> Thorn proof tubes and 28c rock hard commuter tires
>> BIG gel saddle on a layback post
>> Canti rear, side pull front
>>
>> All of this meant, I needed some time to strip it all down, acquire some 
>> parts, and rebuild to my preference. No worries...until I got to it a few 
>> weeks later.
>>
>> After stripping it mostly down, I started to clean the frame and noticed 
>> a bizarre, what I thought was a scratch, in the paint on the top tube just 
>> at the end of the head tube lug point. Looking closer, its more like the 
>> paint is crackled or scrunched. My gut sank. I immediately checked under 
>> the DT for a bulge or other signs of front impact. Nothing. Seems totally 
>> fine. But the TT really looks odd. I've worked in shops for 30 years and 
>> have seen many cracks, dents etc...generally there's apparent trauma you 
>> can trace to other areas, but this is a new one to me being isolated. The 
>> other oddity that may be normal on these...is that the TT feels like it's 
>> externally butted to fit the HT lug. Nothing massive, but just a slightly 
>> perceptible increase in OD right about the point of the lug. Imagination? 
>> By design? Bulged from impact? No idea.
>>
>> All that said, I am bummed, but absolutely hold no ill will towards the 
>> seller. I truly believe he had no idea and was completely up front with the 
>> damage he knew about. AND it could just be a scratch or other paint 
>> anomaly. Yes, I could have the paint stripped back and find someone 
>> knowledgeable to inspect it, but I feel like the options in the end are the 
>> same...spend more than the frame is worth to repair it, or just ride it and 
>> "keep an eye on it". I'm thinking the latter is the better way.
>>
>> I have tried to get a photo of the offending area but it's elusive. I 
>> will try some different lighting to see if I can capture it and follow up.
>>
>> Which brings me to my inquiry. I would like to try an AlbaStache and I 
>> have two great stems I could use that are both 26.0do I remember 
>> correctly there were some original batches with that clamp size or no? I'd 
>> prefer not to shim, and would ultimately just get a 25.4 stem if need be. 
>> Trying to limit the losses on this one now.
>>
>> So IF they exist, does anyone have a set they'd be willing to sell? Or on 
>> the longer shot, a bar/stem?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Atlantis, 59cm, MIT with Rainbow Bar, Complete, $2800

[David Mierzwik]

Rivendell Atlantis, 59”, MIT, purchased in June 2022

Price: $2,800

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-atlantis-59cm-2022/7764740783.html
 

Atlantis has around 2,000 miles on it.  Frame is in very good conditions, 
aside from a few minor nicks, which I’ve tried to capture in the pictures 
below.

Price includes the SON28 Dynamo front hub, but not the lights and the light 
wiring.

Here are the build details:

Atlantis MIT Frame, 59”

Velocity Cliffhanger wheels (hand built) with SON28 dynamo front hub, 
Rivendell Silver rear hub

Rene Herse Antelope Hill tires, 700c x 55mm, currently running tubeless

XT 2 x 11 cranks, 28-38

XT Cassette, 11-46

XT front and rear derailleurs

XT Rapid Fire shifters

XTR bottom bracket

DuraAce chain

DXR linear pull brakes and levers

Nitto Tallux stem, 100mm

Rivendell Bosco Bars with ESI silicone grips

Berthoud Aubisque Leather Saddle

MKS Monarch pedals

Let me know if you’re interested or have any questions.

Thanks, David

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Ted Durant]

Very helpful - thanks!Ted DurantMilwaukee, WIOn Jul 10, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Brian Watts  wrote:Riv built mine a VBC cranks as well and they used 60x122.5, my white industr bracket wasn’t enough either. On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 10:28:11 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:I'd like to hear from others on what BB and crank you are using on your new Sam. The BB that comes with it is a Shimano 110mm. I installed a Phil 113mm and found that my White Industries crank (VBC, 44/32) is a no-go. The inner ring bolts hit the chain stay well before the crank is tightened. It's going to need a lot more chainline to work.Ted DurantMilwaukee WI USA



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[RBW] FS: First generation Suntour Cyclone front derailleur with rare cage extension

[Kim H.]

 I have a Suntour Cyclone 1st generation front derailleur with an extra 
wide cage extension for sale. This small feature is very rare. This added 
feature allows the derailleur the ability to handle wider chain ring size 
range. It was made for the first generation Cyclone front derailleurs and 
it is not known if it will work on later Cyclone models. The rear 
derailleur itself is in very good condition with some very modest wear. 

I had this on my old road bike from the 70s' with a  T. A. Specialties 
"Cyclotourist" triple crank set with rings of 54-45-26T for nearly forty 
years. It worked flawlessly mated with the Suntour Cyclone GT rear 
derailleur and a Suntour freewheel 13-34T. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3fMM2pgdcfEqmNBv6

I would be very interested in trading this Suntour Cyclone FD for a Shimano 
CX70 front derailleur bottom pull 31.8/28.6mm clamp diameter with the 
adapter sleeve for a 28.6mm seat tube in very good to good condition. 

$60.00, shipped in the CONUS 
Paypal payment, please.

Kim Hetzel

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Brian Watts]

Riv built mine a VBC cranks as well and they used 60x122.5, my white 
industr bracket wasn’t enough either. 

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 10:28:11 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> I'd like to hear from others on what BB and crank you are using on your 
> new Sam. The BB that comes with it is a Shimano 110mm. I installed a Phil 
> 113mm and found that my White Industries crank (VBC, 44/32) is a no-go. The 
> inner ring bolts hit the chain stay well before the crank is tightened. 
> It's going to need a lot more chainline to work.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: 56cm Wilbury - like new - $1600 New Mexico

[Kim H.]

@Aaron

What model is the Brooks saddle ?
What are the Shimano shifters 8spd or 9spd ? 
friction - left and friction and indexed ?

Kim Hetzel.

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 4:41:53 PM UTC-7 A. D. M. wrote:

>
> Frame is sold. Let me know if anyone needs parts.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron 
> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 1:01:06 PM UTC-6 A. D. M. wrote:
>
>> 56cm Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I bought this 56cm Rivendell Wilbury a few years back as a demo bike. I 
>> quickly decided it was sadly too small for me and would like to pass it on. 
>> It has fewer than 100 miles on it and shows as such. These were made in 
>> Japan.
>>
>>
>> Everything is like new with a couple blemishes as shown in the photos. 
>> There is a small chip on the top tube and a touched up chip near the rear 
>> brake. 
>>
>>
>> 2 buying options: 
>>
>>
>> As shown, includes everything except wheels. $1600 plus shipping. I have 
>> a box and will pack carefully.
>>
>>
>> Frame, fork, and headset. $1200 plus shipping. 
>>
>>
>> Current build is Nitto lugged stem, albatross bars, and seatpost. Sugino 
>> cranks. XT RD, 105 FD. Dia Compe brakes with Kool Stop pads. Brooks sprung 
>> saddle. Shimano shifters and Portuguese cork grips with dia Compe brake 
>> levers. All are like new. 
>>
>>
>> I’d also be open to trades for a fixed gear in 57/58cm. Quickbeam, simple 
>> one?
>>
>>
>> Photos here https://photos.app.goo.gl/D7CtL3oj4mzXSMBW8
>>
>>
>>
>> Read more about the Wilbury Glorius in RR34 here 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/RR34.pdf
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Aaron in the valley (New Mexico)
>>
>

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[RBW] WTF a 26.0 Albastache for my questionable Canti Rom?

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I may have made a hasty purchase and ended up with a bum frame. But I'm 
going to try to make the best of it.

So...I parted ways with my 26" Atlantis a while back in hopes to find a 
55-56ish 700c Hillborne (short stay) to replace it. I watched Riv, and the 
used market for literally years, and just kept missing them. I fell short 
of a wanted ad, as I didnt really NEED one and figured it would pop up one 
day. Well, I sort of gave up and stopped checking. However, as age, and 
circumstances will do, I am now creeping closer to the need of a more 
upright and comfortable bike. I check in here and BOOM...a new run of short 
stay Hillbornes!! AND they're sold out in my size. Ugh. 

Deflated, I go back to trolling the used market, and my first search brings 
up a 55 Canti Rom...20 minutes from me. THIS would do nicely and was a 
previous target of obsessive searching. The seller informs me there's a 
brake lever ding on the TT and dent on the seat stay. Not deterred, we plan 
to meet. 75yo gentleman who clearly has ridden some bikes, and seems to be 
a DIY mechanic. Bike looks good, albeit with an odd build. Not Rivvy, but 
more hodgepodge of commuter/2000 road bike. Rode fine, set up was not 
comfortable for me but the frame fit, the dents were unfortunate but not 
apparently damaging. We strike a deal, and I bring it home.

The lay of the land: 
Threadless adaptor with super upright stem and Noodle bars which I do not 
like
Thorn proof tubes and 28c rock hard commuter tires
BIG gel saddle on a layback post
Canti rear, side pull front

All of this meant, I needed some time to strip it all down, acquire some 
parts, and rebuild to my preference. No worries...until I got to it a few 
weeks later.

After stripping it mostly down, I started to clean the frame and noticed a 
bizarre, what I thought was a scratch, in the paint on the top tube just at 
the end of the head tube lug point. Looking closer, its more like the paint 
is crackled or scrunched. My gut sank. I immediately checked under the DT 
for a bulge or other signs of front impact. Nothing. Seems totally fine. 
But the TT really looks odd. I've worked in shops for 30 years and have 
seen many cracks, dents etc...generally there's apparent trauma you can 
trace to other areas, but this is a new one to me being isolated. The other 
oddity that may be normal on these...is that the TT feels like it's 
externally butted to fit the HT lug. Nothing massive, but just a slightly 
perceptible increase in OD right about the point of the lug. Imagination? 
By design? Bulged from impact? No idea.

All that said, I am bummed, but absolutely hold no ill will towards the 
seller. I truly believe he had no idea and was completely up front with the 
damage he knew about. AND it could just be a scratch or other paint 
anomaly. Yes, I could have the paint stripped back and find someone 
knowledgeable to inspect it, but I feel like the options in the end are the 
same...spend more than the frame is worth to repair it, or just ride it and 
"keep an eye on it". I'm thinking the latter is the better way.

I have tried to get a photo of the offending area but it's elusive. I will 
try some different lighting to see if I can capture it and follow up.

Which brings me to my inquiry. I would like to try an AlbaStache and I have 
two great stems I could use that are both 26.0do I remember correctly 
there were some original batches with that clamp size or no? I'd prefer not 
to shim, and would ultimately just get a 25.4 stem if need be. Trying to 
limit the losses on this one now.

So IF they exist, does anyone have a set they'd be willing to sell? Or on 
the longer shot, a bar/stem?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Aaron Wilson]

Shopping for tires is exhausting. I said I'd decided, but I lied. 🙃

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/ is pretty handy, but they don't
tell you how durable tires are and the puncture tests, while handy, don't
always seem to reflect real-world experience.

In the end I want a tubeless tire that's as light and supple as possible
without being a continuously annoying tire (too puncture-prone, too
short-lived, or too weepy). These things are in conflict with each other.

It's an impossible decision. I'd better just order something and get on
with my life. Thanks again for all your input and, if anyone else wants to
throw a wrench into the whole thing and tell me I'm barking up the wrong
tree, feel free.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 10:25 AM Will Boericke  wrote:

> Interesting on the UDs, running the Cava now and it's been great (black,
> non tubeless).  In contrast, my use of the Ribmos was disappointing.  I
> commuted on them for a year and they are SLOW.   Not quite Gatorskin slow,
> but not fast.  Replaced with Paselas there.  What the Ribmo does have going
> for it is longevity - that tread is so thick I bet you could get 20K miles
> out of a pair.
>
> So, many opinions on tires, but we knew that.
>
> Will
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 12:14 PM Richard Hardman 
> wrote:
>
>> I am currently liking the Panaracer Ribmo, rather than the Gravel King,
>> because it's "slicker" less tread, but still works on dirt or hard-pack
>> gravel, and I'm riding mostly on the road, paved or not.  I really wanted
>> to like the Ultradynamico Rose Race (the grey ones) because they look so
>> cool, but running them tubeless was a disaster; i could never get the tan
>> sidewalls to stop leaking no matter how much I tried.
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:03:45 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> Thanks for that input. I'm aligned with Aaron's original post, only very
>>> rarely taking a cautious ride in the dirt, and am about to purchase either
>>> some RH Snoqualmie Pass (700x44s) or GK slicks (not planning on the plus),
>>> and will run the tires with tubes.
>>>
>>> Mine will go on a Clem, and I only go fast uphill.
>>>
>>> I've run GK SS 700x43s, and GK slick plus 700x38s, which were OK, but I
>>> had no need for the tread. Looking for something that feels more like my
>>> Conti 700x35s.
>>>
>>> I so appreciate any further inputs on RH vs GK slicks before I purchase
>>> ... tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7 Will Boericke wrote:
>>>


- In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience,
more bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports 
 (I
only run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not 
 used
the GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture
resistance of the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing 
 thru a
rock garden in the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in 
 my
650x38 GKs.

 Will
 On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:

> I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more
> reasonably priced.
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel,
>> sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except
>> the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even
>> ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights 
>> by
>> 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless,
>> and without weeping sealant.
>>
>> I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.
>>
>> Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless
>> and sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats on the Homer!
>>>
>>> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd
>>> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing
>>> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Who needs a Restoration Project? Madden Mountain Panniers / Kangaroo Bag Panniers

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Kangaroo Bags are spoken for. 
Madden Bags are available still. 

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 9:13:54 AM UTC-7 Jeremy Rossen wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> I would cover the shipping to the boston area, and give the bags some love 
> and finish this project!
>
> let me know,
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:47 AM Cyclofiend Jim  
> wrote:
>
>> Digging through boxes in my garage and unearthed three sets of panniers 
>> from the late 80's/early 90's. They all have noticeable "stored nylon" funk 
>> (an "olfactory adventure"?) and all of the strap tie-down guides have 
>> degraded and failed. (If they had just spent the extra $'s and used a 
>> non-rubber part) 
>>
>> I've sprayed them all with some defunk enzymatic and hung them in the sun 
>> for a day or two. They aren't going to cause gagging, but they aren't 
>> exactly odor-free. If I were going to do the restoration, I'd put them into 
>> a nice large washing machine and run them through, then hang them in the 
>> sun for a bit. A little borax in the laundry, perhaps...
>>
>> However, before I did that, I'd want to pick off all the strap guide 
>> remnants which have degraded. They were rubber and have completely dried 
>> out in the (mumble-mumble) years since I bought them (Ok... bought these 
>> back in the 1980s...). When I started airing them out, chunks fell away 
>> from each one. They are toast. 
>>
>> I'd probably look for a sail bag maker or a friend who has a commercial 
>> sewing machine, cut some thick leather in the shape of the strap guides and 
>> sew them in place. They will probably work without the guides, but it would 
>> be a better fix.
>>
>> If you have read this far, then you know the quality of the old Madden 
>> Mountain Panniers and first generation Kangaroo Bags. This was seriously 
>> overbuilt gear. I had to resign them to landfill. 
>>
>> I have a bunch of detailed images which I took yesterday.
>>
>> If this sounds like something you are interested in, take a look at the 
>> images. The Madden Mountain pannier sets snap together when off the bike. 
>> The Kangaroo Bags have nicely overlapping top covers. and a cinchable top 
>> to the compartment. All zippers and snaps seem to be in great shape. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jKrRmJA5cQxMThF99
>>
>> I used these a few times, but they never got the miles they deserved. If 
>> you want to take this on, I really just want to cover shipping to your 
>> location. As I said, I just don't want to toss them into landfill. They are 
>> in good shape, except for the funk and the failed strap guides. 
>>
>> So, if you want to take on stewardship of this project, message me 
>> directly. Pickup available if you are in the general SF Bay Area. 
>>
>> Thanks for considering this!
>>
>> Jim
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[Eric Marth]

@mwillrossi: I definitely feel you on the too hot, too humid front. Brutal 
here in Virginia 

@Nicholas: Dang, I love photos with rain in the distance, thanks for 
sharing this one!

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 9:25:27 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:

> Can’t think of a more proper setting for an Atlantis in the wild.
>
> 👌
> k.
>
> On Jul 8, 2024, at 5:04 PM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem report: most free ever

[Gordon Stam]

Could that be an inspiration in the background?



On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 10:36:30 AM UTC-6 mercia...@gmail.com wrote:

> Let's face it, Clem is just a wonderful looking and riding bike.  No 
> weight restrictions, no top tube, just one pretty lug and byzantine fork.  
> R'dell hit the mark squarely with this one.  
>
> Here is my (over)decorated Clem.  
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-7 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd be the first one to post a rare left side view of a 59 Clem 
>> but Franco beat me to it. 3 months into ownership and the picture was taken 
>> about 6 weeks ago. The snow's all gone now. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 8:57:28 AM UTC-6 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Figuring out what set up I’ll use for some overnight trips this summer! 
>>> Super stoked.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Franco Rinaldi 
>>> c:  646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>>
>>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Olivier Chételat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kim,
>>>
>>> it's all very simple. You need a thrower, a catcher (if available) and a 
>>> photographer; boom!
>>> Or maybe is it photoshop sorcery? One might never know.
>>> I'm glad you like it! 😊
>>>
>>> here's another one: 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 3:20:22 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Oli,
 Tell me your secret of how you got your Clem to float in the air ?  
 This is amazing. 

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 10:09:30 PM UTC-7 Olivier Chételat wrote:

> Two weeks ownership on this 59 Clem. My most minimal build with no 
> rack and no front derailer. It's set up like my 59 Atlantis and -despite 
> being longer in the virtual top tube- rides pretty much the same: dreamy. 
> Franco, we all need a picture of your new bike or (as the proverb say) 
> it did not happen.
> Have all the fun riding your Clem!
>
> Oli in SF
>
>
> [image: 11BD74CD-15DF-49F4-87A9-611D1DA907CC.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:42:39 PM UTC-7 fmri...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m about a month into my Clem ownership. It’s the most free and fun 
>> I’ve ever felt on a bike. Makes me not mind riding slow and soft 
>> pedaling. 
>> Can’t wait to do an over nighter with it. 
>>
>> Franco Rinaldi 
>> c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>
>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Ted Durant]

I'd like to hear from others on what BB and crank you are using on your new 
Sam. The BB that comes with it is a Shimano 110mm. I installed a Phil 113mm 
and found that my White Industries crank (VBC, 44/32) is a no-go. The inner 
ring bolts hit the chain stay well before the crank is tightened. It's 
going to need a lot more chainline to work.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Will Boericke]

Interesting on the UDs, running the Cava now and it's been great (black,
non tubeless).  In contrast, my use of the Ribmos was disappointing.  I
commuted on them for a year and they are SLOW.   Not quite Gatorskin slow,
but not fast.  Replaced with Paselas there.  What the Ribmo does have going
for it is longevity - that tread is so thick I bet you could get 20K miles
out of a pair.

So, many opinions on tires, but we knew that.

Will

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 12:14 PM Richard Hardman  wrote:

> I am currently liking the Panaracer Ribmo, rather than the Gravel King,
> because it's "slicker" less tread, but still works on dirt or hard-pack
> gravel, and I'm riding mostly on the road, paved or not.  I really wanted
> to like the Ultradynamico Rose Race (the grey ones) because they look so
> cool, but running them tubeless was a disaster; i could never get the tan
> sidewalls to stop leaking no matter how much I tried.
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:03:45 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Will
>>
>> Thanks for that input. I'm aligned with Aaron's original post, only very
>> rarely taking a cautious ride in the dirt, and am about to purchase either
>> some RH Snoqualmie Pass (700x44s) or GK slicks (not planning on the plus),
>> and will run the tires with tubes.
>>
>> Mine will go on a Clem, and I only go fast uphill.
>>
>> I've run GK SS 700x43s, and GK slick plus 700x38s, which were OK, but I
>> had no need for the tread. Looking for something that feels more like my
>> Conti 700x35s.
>>
>> I so appreciate any further inputs on RH vs GK slicks before I purchase
>> ... tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience,
>>>more bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports (I
>>>only run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not 
>>> used
>>>the GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture
>>>resistance of the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing thru 
>>> a
>>>rock garden in the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in 
>>> my
>>>650x38 GKs.
>>>
>>> Will
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:
>>>
 I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more
 reasonably priced.

 On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel,
> sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except
> the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even
> ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights 
> by
> 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless,
> and without weeping sealant.
>
> I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.
>
> Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless
> and sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Congrats on the Homer!
>>
>> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd
>> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing
>> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Going from 2x9 to 3x9 - FD Selection

[Stephen Merelman]

I have a similar range that's handled well by an IRD Alpina, if you can 
track one down. 

smm

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 9:06:56 PM UTC-4 wong.d...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I currently have a 2x9 with a 26/38 crank (Silver brand) and a 11/34 
> cassette on my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr - H.
>
> I want to add a third/outer chainring (maybe a 44 or 46), which can be 
> done by replacing the Silver bashguard with an outer chainring.
>
> I am shopping for a replacement front derailleur (either a Shimano XT M771 
> or XTR M971) because I don’t think my Claris FD is capable of a 3x.
>
> I am looking at the specs of both FDs.
>
> The “Front Chainwheel Tooth Difference” is 20T/22T for the XTR and 18T for 
> the XT
>
> The “Min. difference between top and intermediate” is 12T for the XTR and 
> 10T for the XT
>
> How closely do I need to meet these two requirements?  If I get a 46T, I 
> don’t meet the Shimano specs.  The Front Chainwheel Difference is 20T and 
> the Min Difference between the top and intermediate is 8T.   Will either FD 
> work?  I wanted to save money by leaving the 26/28 alone.
>
> On a side note, I don’t plan to use the smallest chaining (26T) very often 
> (if ever) as I basically spinout for most of the 9 cogs.  
>
> Thank you.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Richard Hardman]

I am currently liking the Panaracer Ribmo, rather than the Gravel King, 
because it's "slicker" less tread, but still works on dirt or hard-pack 
gravel, and I'm riding mostly on the road, paved or not.  I really wanted 
to like the Ultradynamico Rose Race (the grey ones) because they look so 
cool, but running them tubeless was a disaster; i could never get the tan 
sidewalls to stop leaking no matter how much I tried.  

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:03:45 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Will
>
> Thanks for that input. I'm aligned with Aaron's original post, only very 
> rarely taking a cautious ride in the dirt, and am about to purchase either 
> some RH Snoqualmie Pass (700x44s) or GK slicks (not planning on the plus), 
> and will run the tires with tubes. 
>
> Mine will go on a Clem, and I only go fast uphill. 
>
> I've run GK SS 700x43s, and GK slick plus 700x38s, which were OK, but I 
> had no need for the tread. Looking for something that feels more like my 
> Conti 700x35s. 
>
> I so appreciate any further inputs on RH vs GK slicks before I purchase 
> ... tomorrow. 
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>- In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience, 
>>more bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports (I 
>>only run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not 
>> used 
>>the GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture 
>>resistance of the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing thru 
>> a 
>>rock garden in the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in 
>> my 
>>650x38 GKs.
>>
>> Will
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:
>>
>>> I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more 
>>> reasonably priced.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel, 
 sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except 
 the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even 
 ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights 
 by 
 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless, 
 and without weeping sealant.

 I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.

 Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless 
 and sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?

 On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Congrats on the Homer!
>
> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd 
> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing 
> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>


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Re: [RBW] Who needs a Restoration Project? Madden Mountain Panniers / Kangaroo Bag Panniers

[Jeremy Rossen]

Hi Jim,

I would cover the shipping to the boston area, and give the bags some love
and finish this project!

let me know,
Jeremy


On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:47 AM Cyclofiend Jim 
wrote:

> Digging through boxes in my garage and unearthed three sets of panniers
> from the late 80's/early 90's. They all have noticeable "stored nylon" funk
> (an "olfactory adventure"?) and all of the strap tie-down guides have
> degraded and failed. (If they had just spent the extra $'s and used a
> non-rubber part)
>
> I've sprayed them all with some defunk enzymatic and hung them in the sun
> for a day or two. They aren't going to cause gagging, but they aren't
> exactly odor-free. If I were going to do the restoration, I'd put them into
> a nice large washing machine and run them through, then hang them in the
> sun for a bit. A little borax in the laundry, perhaps...
>
> However, before I did that, I'd want to pick off all the strap guide
> remnants which have degraded. They were rubber and have completely dried
> out in the (mumble-mumble) years since I bought them (Ok... bought these
> back in the 1980s...). When I started airing them out, chunks fell away
> from each one. They are toast.
>
> I'd probably look for a sail bag maker or a friend who has a commercial
> sewing machine, cut some thick leather in the shape of the strap guides and
> sew them in place. They will probably work without the guides, but it would
> be a better fix.
>
> If you have read this far, then you know the quality of the old Madden
> Mountain Panniers and first generation Kangaroo Bags. This was seriously
> overbuilt gear. I had to resign them to landfill.
>
> I have a bunch of detailed images which I took yesterday.
>
> If this sounds like something you are interested in, take a look at the
> images. The Madden Mountain pannier sets snap together when off the bike.
> The Kangaroo Bags have nicely overlapping top covers. and a cinchable top
> to the compartment. All zippers and snaps seem to be in great shape.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jKrRmJA5cQxMThF99
>
> I used these a few times, but they never got the miles they deserved. If
> you want to take this on, I really just want to cover shipping to your
> location. As I said, I just don't want to toss them into landfill. They are
> in good shape, except for the funk and the failed strap guides.
>
> So, if you want to take on stewardship of this project, message me
> directly. Pickup available if you are in the general SF Bay Area.
>
> Thanks for considering this!
>
> Jim
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[RBW] WTB- Rivendell Sackville Small Trunk Bag.

[Richard Hardman]

I am in need of a Rivendell Sackville Small Trunk Bag for my Riv Sam 
Hilborne.  Prefer tan but other colors considered.  Let me know what you 
have.  Thanks, Rich

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[RBW] Re: Who needs a Restoration Project? Madden Mountain Panniers / Kangaroo Bag Panniers

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Note: that should have been "...I'd _hate_ to resign them to a landfill..."


On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 8:47:29 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Digging through boxes in my garage and unearthed three sets of panniers 
> from the late 80's/early 90's. They all have noticeable "stored nylon" funk 
> (an "olfactory adventure"?) and all of the strap tie-down guides have 
> degraded and failed. (If they had just spent the extra $'s and used a 
> non-rubber part) 
>
> I've sprayed them all with some defunk enzymatic and hung them in the sun 
> for a day or two. They aren't going to cause gagging, but they aren't 
> exactly odor-free. If I were going to do the restoration, I'd put them into 
> a nice large washing machine and run them through, then hang them in the 
> sun for a bit. A little borax in the laundry, perhaps...
>
> However, before I did that, I'd want to pick off all the strap guide 
> remnants which have degraded. They were rubber and have completely dried 
> out in the (mumble-mumble) years since I bought them (Ok... bought these 
> back in the 1980s...). When I started airing them out, chunks fell away 
> from each one. They are toast. 
>
> I'd probably look for a sail bag maker or a friend who has a commercial 
> sewing machine, cut some thick leather in the shape of the strap guides and 
> sew them in place. They will probably work without the guides, but it would 
> be a better fix.
>
> If you have read this far, then you know the quality of the old Madden 
> Mountain Panniers and first generation Kangaroo Bags. This was seriously 
> overbuilt gear. I had to resign them to landfill. 
>
> I have a bunch of detailed images which I took yesterday.
>
> If this sounds like something you are interested in, take a look at the 
> images. The Madden Mountain pannier sets snap together when off the bike. 
> The Kangaroo Bags have nicely overlapping top covers. and a cinchable top 
> to the compartment. All zippers and snaps seem to be in great shape. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jKrRmJA5cQxMThF99
>
> I used these a few times, but they never got the miles they deserved. If 
> you want to take this on, I really just want to cover shipping to your 
> location. As I said, I just don't want to toss them into landfill. They are 
> in good shape, except for the funk and the failed strap guides. 
>
> So, if you want to take on stewardship of this project, message me 
> directly. Pickup available if you are in the general SF Bay Area. 
>
> Thanks for considering this!
>
> Jim
>

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[RBW] Re: Going from 2x9 to 3x9 - FD Selection

[Dennis Wong]

Hi Bill,

After writing that note I started thinking the same thing - what exactly is 
the problem I am trying to solve.  (Other than becoming obsessed with 
tinkering and "upgrading.")  In my mind I was thinking that I want to 
expand the range of the 9 speed.  On the big chainring, I find that the I 
seldom use the 3 largest cogs because I do spin out.  Maybe going to a 1x 
would fix that "problem."  You've got me second guessing myself.  LOL.  

Really do appreciate the thoughtful response, 

On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 8:11:26 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I think it could be really useful to the group, and maybe to you, if you 
> could describe what problem you are looking to solve.  
>
> The implication is that you have decided you need higher gearing, because 
> you ride too fast for the gearing that is on the Clem.  Depending on what 
> tires you are running, the 38x11 highest gear on the bike now should be 
> plenty to pedal well above 30MPH, but is not high enough to pedal up to 
> 40MPH and beyond.  Is that the problem?  You spend too much time >30MPH and 
> can't pedal at all when you are going >40MPH and need the gearing to keep 
> up with your riding?  That's a valid use case, but many would consider that 
> an odd use case for a Clem.  That's more like a Roaduno use case.  
>
> You say that you spin out on most of the cogs when you are in the 26. 
>  Have you decided you don't need the 26?  Have you considered moving from 
> 26/38 up to 32/44?  Then you wouldn't need a front derailleur.  Have you 
> considered going from 26/38 to a 40T 1x?  Then you could sell your front 
> derailleur and you wouldn't need one at all.  
>
> Removing a chain guard and adding a third ring can be complicated because 
> of the shift from the 38 to the big ring.  Most triple front derailleurs 
> are set up for jumps that are closer to equal.  Have a look at the Silver 
> Triple on the rivbike website.  It's 24/34/44, nice 10 tooth jumps at each 
> step.  26/38/44 with that 6-tooth jump could interfere with some front 
> derailleur cage designs.  That's more like an old-school half-step setup.  
>
> The point is that a bicycle has a lot of interdependencies.  You think you 
> are changing one little thing, but it influences other things.  Planning a 
> solution is good, but it should be to address a well-defined problem.  What 
> problem are you trying to solve?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 6:06:56 PM UTC-7 wong.d...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I currently have a 2x9 with a 26/38 crank (Silver brand) and a 11/34 
>> cassette on my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr - H.
>>
>> I want to add a third/outer chainring (maybe a 44 or 46), which can be 
>> done by replacing the Silver bashguard with an outer chainring.
>>
>> I am shopping for a replacement front derailleur (either a Shimano XT 
>> M771 or XTR M971) because I don’t think my Claris FD is capable of a 3x.
>>
>> I am looking at the specs of both FDs.
>>
>> The “Front Chainwheel Tooth Difference” is 20T/22T for the XTR and 18T 
>> for the XT
>>
>> The “Min. difference between top and intermediate” is 12T for the XTR and 
>> 10T for the XT
>>
>> How closely do I need to meet these two requirements?  If I get a 46T, I 
>> don’t meet the Shimano specs.  The Front Chainwheel Difference is 20T and 
>> the Min Difference between the top and intermediate is 8T.   Will either FD 
>> work?  I wanted to save money by leaving the 26/28 alone.
>>
>> On a side note, I don’t plan to use the smallest chaining (26T) very 
>> often (if ever) as I basically spinout for most of the 9 cogs.  
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>

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[RBW] Who needs a Restoration Project? Madden Mountain Panniers / Kangaroo Bag Panniers

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Digging through boxes in my garage and unearthed three sets of panniers 
from the late 80's/early 90's. They all have noticeable "stored nylon" funk 
(an "olfactory adventure"?) and all of the strap tie-down guides have 
degraded and failed. (If they had just spent the extra $'s and used a 
non-rubber part) 

I've sprayed them all with some defunk enzymatic and hung them in the sun 
for a day or two. They aren't going to cause gagging, but they aren't 
exactly odor-free. If I were going to do the restoration, I'd put them into 
a nice large washing machine and run them through, then hang them in the 
sun for a bit. A little borax in the laundry, perhaps...

However, before I did that, I'd want to pick off all the strap guide 
remnants which have degraded. They were rubber and have completely dried 
out in the (mumble-mumble) years since I bought them (Ok... bought these 
back in the 1980s...). When I started airing them out, chunks fell away 
from each one. They are toast. 

I'd probably look for a sail bag maker or a friend who has a commercial 
sewing machine, cut some thick leather in the shape of the strap guides and 
sew them in place. They will probably work without the guides, but it would 
be a better fix.

If you have read this far, then you know the quality of the old Madden 
Mountain Panniers and first generation Kangaroo Bags. This was seriously 
overbuilt gear. I had to resign them to landfill. 

I have a bunch of detailed images which I took yesterday.

If this sounds like something you are interested in, take a look at the 
images. The Madden Mountain pannier sets snap together when off the bike. 
The Kangaroo Bags have nicely overlapping top covers. and a cinchable top 
to the compartment. All zippers and snaps seem to be in great shape. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jKrRmJA5cQxMThF99

I used these a few times, but they never got the miles they deserved. If 
you want to take this on, I really just want to cover shipping to your 
location. As I said, I just don't want to toss them into landfill. They are 
in good shape, except for the funk and the failed strap guides. 

So, if you want to take on stewardship of this project, message me 
directly. Pickup available if you are in the general SF Bay Area. 

Thanks for considering this!

Jim

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Re: [RBW] UPS Lost My Roadini

[Doug H.]

I am well-pleased with the folks at Bike Flights thus far and I feel 
confident that the issue will be resolved equitably. Bike Flights while not 
actually the shipper is taking ownership of the missing package situation 
and is working to find it. It seems that a package that large with 
identifiable markings will be found, it is just a matter of time. If it is 
truly lost and not found then I purchased plenty of insurance to cover the 
value of the bicycle.
Doug

On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 1:56:02 PM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> I imagine there may be many stories among us of shipping mishaps. I have 
> found the Bike Flights folks quickly responsive.  The shippers themselves, 
> however, do not always seem to take care of what is being shipped. In two 
> cases in the past year, the box on arrival had clearly been broken open and 
> re-taped; in one case, a box of parts was missing. Careful packing and 
> insurance, as always.
>
> Safe riding--and shipping--to all,
>
> Tom
> (departing Miami; whereabouts TBD)
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:06:02 PM UTC-4 oldandin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This happened to me when purchasing my Quickbeam. The investigation 
>> turned up the box at the nearby distro center. When it finally got 
>> delivered I noticed that the bike had been packed in an e-bike box. Makes 
>> me wonder if anything presumed e-bike has a higher chance of getting 
>> "lost"...
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>>> My Roadini was sold and headed to Colorado then vanished, apparently. I 
>>> used Bike Flights and they have opened an "investigation" to find it. I 
>>> wanted to let the group know so that I can report on the service from Bike 
>>> Flights. So far, I am impressed. I refunded the buyer in full in the 
>>> meantime.
>>> Doug
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