Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

Brendon - that one is on my list for sure! Familiar with a lot of the
current politics surrounding UPFs but haven't gotten around to reading it
yet. What was your biggest takeaway?

For anyone else interested in learning more abour those issues and/or MORE
ennui surrounding the horrors of the American Food System and Agribusiness
Robber Barons check out:

Marion Nestle's blog Food Politics (she is unrelated to Nestle of Nesquick
fame)
https://www.foodpolitics.com/

Food Fix weekly newsletter specifically about food politics journalism in
the US, lots of baby formula and school lunch and SNAP policy updates if
you REALLY want some angst
https://foodfix.co/

Eric Schlosser, Fast Food Nation. Pretty much nothing has changed, its only
gotten worse

Coco




On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 7:33 PM brendonoid  wrote:

> Everyone in this thread should please read *Ultra-Processed People* by
> Chris van Tulleken. It is the only food/diet book anyone really needs to
> read.
> You'll never have to worry about extreme or fad diets ever again. Prepare
> for extreme ennui about everything you have tried up to the point you read
> this book.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

Love the dal recipe and the pinto bean recipe Patrick!! Will have to try
those, especially now that I have an instant pot.

My new favorite has been a good quick low-wheat sandwich:

2 slices of that dense rye bread (unleavened)  that comes shrink-wrapped
Cashew cream cheese (or regular, but i have a hard time finding organic)
Diced cucumber
Top with Hemp hearts, Salt and pepper



On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 12:17 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. Indian dal on the cheap and easy. Boil red or orange or yellow (brown
> rather earthy for my taste) in 3X water until soft.
>
> Cook about 1.5X long grain rice with a bit of cardamom seed.
>
> In small skillet or saucepan heat as much oil as you like to "wet" the
> lentil and rice mixture, and  with some and or all of: garlic, coriander,
> cumin, red pepper, bay leaf, ginger, asafoetida, ... sizzle for 30 seconds
> or so and pour over lentils and rice. Salt to taste.
>
> Augment with full fat yogurt, Indian mango pickle, British sweet chutney.
> Or, augment with raita in place of plain fat yogurt: 1 lg cucumber peeled
> and grated, 2 c full fat yogurt, big handfull of chopped fresh mint, tsp
> ground cumin: mix all and enjoy.
>
> I often add the oil and spices to the cooking lentils with chopped onion
> sautted and diced spinach (I use frozen because I don't like to clean and
> prep vegetables; and the nutrition is at least as good) for a sort of
> lentil stew.
>
> 2. New Mexico pinto beans.
>
> 2 c dried pinto beans -- soak over night and cook in pressure cooker for
> ~1 hour including cooldown or for 24 hours at least in crockpot on low.
>
> 1 large chopped onion sauteed with garlic, cumin, oregano, red pepper, add
> beans and can of chopped or crushed tomatoes and chopped spinach or Kale.
>
> Salt to taste.
>
> Eat with flour tortillas or rice or add potatoes: dice and nuke ~2 med
> potatoes until done, add to above.
>
> 3. Cheese spaghetti: An adult's mac + cheese. Cook 8 oz dry spaghetti,
> save water, met combo of butter and olive oil in skillet, sautee garlic (I
> get quart chopped garlic at Costco), add cooked spaghetti and ~1 c pasta
> water, bring to boil, add 1/2 c parmesan or romano and 1/2
> non-parmesan/romano -- I use Costco 5 lb shredded Mexican mix but anything
> will do. Add salt and black pepper to taste.
>
> Recipe also calls for 2 tbsp cream cheese and 2/3 c heavy cream but that's
> disgusting; add a bit more cheese instead.
>
>
> 4. Grilled salmon: farmed or fresh fillets. Dribble with plenty of lemon
> juice and layer with fresh dill, salt, pepper; wrap in tinfoil; grill.
>
> Then there are tatie scones and champ and the garlic spaghetti (sautee
> lots of garlic in olive oil, spread over cooked spaghetti, add salt, red
> pepper, black pepper to taste; better have some veg on the side) that my
> daughter used to love on Wed and Fri fast day evenings -- but you can dress
> it up with Parmesan or Romano for other days, home-made baked fries
> (daughter got scrambled eggs and home made *deep fried* fries for school
> day breakfasts), home made mac and cheese (damn Annie's!), lazy man's
> pseudo Thai curry on rice, Julia Child's very easy french bread (tho' v
> long waits for rising), etc etc etc.
>
> Patrick Moore, who will probably make pseudo baked fries*  and eat with
> green peas (frozen, nuked, olive oil and salt and pepper) this evening --
> Wed, fast day, in ABQ, NM.
>
> *Almost as good as deep fried, a lot cleaner, and a hellofalot better than
> frozen fries. Slice potatoes into fingers and roll around in olive oil.
> Rinse well and pat dry. Nuke until tender. Line baking sheet with tinfoil.
> Liberally add more olive oil. Grill pretty high and close, watch so don't
> burn, turn when top brown. I've used red, white, and Idaho potatoes; all
> good.
>
> Patrick "and cook oat groats in a crockpot" Moore (who twice held the
> office of Chief Cook 40 years ago while living with bunch of guys, and in
> one case was voted out of office, but who learned that if you take a whole
> frozen but gutted and cleaned chicken, rip off the cling wrapt and foam
> packaging, place in cold oven, turn to 350*, and leave for 3 hours, you end
> up with moist, tender, and very bland meat).
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 10:17 AM Coco Menk  wrote:
>
>> bumping this thread to see if there are any new contributors this Spring
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Thread prompt :
>>
>> *1) How many of you all have read Grant's Eat Bacon, Don't Jog? Anyone
>> subscribe to his food ideas or any other "alternative" diets? Cyclists tend
>> to be pretty health-conscious and independent minded, just curious what
>> kinds of ideas people are jiving with these days. Vegan? No-ca

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

bumping this thread to see if there are any new contributors this Spring :) 


Thread prompt :

*1) How many of you all have read Grant's Eat Bacon, Don't Jog? Anyone 
subscribe to his food ideas or any other "alternative" diets? Cyclists tend 
to be pretty health-conscious and independent minded, just curious what 
kinds of ideas people are jiving with these days. Vegan? No-carb? 100-mile 
diet? Anything goes? I love hearing about what works for people. I know 
Grant's book has definitely informed my own choices a bit, specifically in 
regards to processed sugar and carbs and simpler forms of exercise. (Not 
looking to sh** on which diet is working or not working for anyone at this 
time! Save that for a different thread)*

*2) I'd love to compile a collection of favorite recipes! What do you make 
for yourselves/your families? What's your favorite sandwich you bring on 
your bike rides? Any bike tour go-to's?*

Looking forward to your thoughts! 

Newest oatmeal recipe is a winner:

1/2 c rolled oats
1/2 c walnut milk + 1/2 c water
1/4 c raisins
small handful pumpkin seeds
1 tbsp chia seeds
2 tbsp pureed pumpkin
very generous amounts of cinnamon - almost 2 tsp
ground cloves, to taste
ground turmeric - 1/2 tsp
pinch of salt
serve with local honey

C


On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 3:47:21 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Sure Coco !  Cooking the raisins and apricots makes them all soft and easy 
> to digest. The raisins balloon up and the apricots, I slice them in hand, 
> first in half then another three slices. If you're unfamiliar with the 
> unsulphured ones they are brown, rather than the bright orange you find 
> with sulphured ones, which just taste awful and the texture is altered to 
> gummy bear status. How anyone can eat those is beyond me !  You can find 
> the natural brown ones in bulk @ natural food stores if you have any around 
> locally.  I don't anymore so I get them online 
> https://www.amazon.com/Turkish-Apricots-Unsulphured-Certified-Resealable/dp/B07KGL3MVW.
>  
> The raisins are Sun Maid regular ol' raisins. 
>
> For a pot I'd guess it's somewhere around a heaping 1/4c to 1/3c of each 
> fruit. Sometimes it just raisins and a very large banana or 2 small ones. 
> Some vanilla extract goes good with that. 
>
> I made some today, so I'll attempt to quantify what I do on the fly. I 
> can't tell you how much water I start with the fruit, but it's enough that 
> when I add about 3 heaping 1/4 cups of medium grain rice cooked for 15 
> minutes on *low heat(soft rolling boil inside),* with enough liquid that 
> it's still jiggle-able in the pot when it's done. You want as this is not a 
> dry flaky rice dish, this is creamy, like a Risotto if you're familiar with 
> Italian cooking. I could use a a 3/4 cup, but that messes me up, so I stick 
> with multiples of 1/4 cups. A heaping 3/4c won't be as much as 3 heaping 
> 1/4c's !  Some salt, not too much as you can add some later. Sometimes
>
> I like to let that sit for like 15 minutes. Then I add an egg, some whole 
> milk, cream, half and half, evaporated milk,  whatever you have on hand. A 
> bit of sour cream adds a nice dimension too. Bring that to a soft boil, it 
> should be be easy to stir at this point. It will thicken when it cools. 
> Turn off the heat and let it sit as long as you like. It can hold a lot of 
> heat for along time. When it cools enough I put it in a container and 
> fridge it. If it's too thick you can add a little milk to however you want 
> at that time, or wait and when it's cold pour some milk over it. It's yummy 
> any way. This isn't about a certain consistency to the rice, it's about the 
> complimentary flavors, and that's what cooking is all about. I don't own a 
> cookbook and find it very hard to follow any recipe if I try, as inevitably 
> it contains something either I don't have, can't afford, or don't like the 
> flavor of.
>
> Masa mush, or dumplings. The dumplings came about by reading of someone 
> who made pancakes with it, and if it rises for pancakes it'll rise for 
> dumplings or biscuits, given it has some baking powder. I add an egg too, 
> makes it fluffier. The mush simply came about by inspiration. I ate 
> cornmeal mush sometimes as a kid, but found it bland, as cornmeal is bland. 
> Masa flour takes the same corn kernel and treats it with lime, the mineral, 
> and that's what give corn tortillas it's wonderful  flavor and makes it 
> easier to digest. It's akin to spouting a grain. So I bought a bag of Masa 
> at the grocery store(Kroger, Wal-Mart is what I have) and just 
> experimented. It's really hard to ruin the flavor, and the consistency you 
> vary with the amount of liquid you use. Milk or water or broth or whatever 
> ! It can be sweet or savory. I sweeten most things with fruit, sometimes 
> honey or dark molasses if it's suits the flavors, and once in a while even 
> some white sugar. I don't use that very often as it has no flavor to it, 
> it's just sweet, so it's only a 

[RBW] ISO Clem Sack

[Coco Menk]

For the taller skinny Wald. 

Lmk

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[RBW] WTB Berthoud Marie Blanque

[Coco Menk]

https://www.clcycle.ca/en/selle-gilles-berthoud-marie-blanque-short-touring.html

Anyone have any eyes on a Marie Blanque rando saddle? WITHOUT cutout. This 
one is available but hoping to see if I can find one for less than $320 CAD

lmk <3!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Coco Menk]

Eric: Thanks! The front fender rubs constantly lol, but otherwise it is too
handy!

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:09 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Love those fendered fat tires, Coco!  :o)
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:04:55 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Some from October in Squamish BC!
>>
>> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:33:53 AM UTC-8 wrongw...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tally-ho!
>>>
>>> An early test run of my nearly-new (and absolutely new-to-me) 62cm 2018
>>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. The bike provides a super stable and cushy ride,
>>> which I relish, but currently is a slight "work in progress" in terms of
>>> bars, racks, and other fitments. To be deployed in the future, some first
>>> generation Crust Towel Rack bars, Shimano bar-end shifters, Tektro brake
>>> levers, a rear Nitto Campee rack, and various tire packages.
>>>
>>> This particular ride was along the White River State Trail, a section of
>>> the former Milwaukee Road rail corridor in southeast Wisconsin, which runs
>>> from Elkhorn in Walworth County, 19 miles eastward to Dover in Racine
>>> County, with a gap at Burlington. A section of the trail sits due north of
>>> the Wisconsin resort community of Lake Geneva ("Chicagoland's playground").
>>> The first image was taken about a mile west of the Burlington trailhead, on
>>> the utility bridge a tad off the trail and perpendicular to it. The bridge
>>> spans the White River and allows the farm in the northern distance to
>>> trundle its vehicles across the river and the east-west running trail
>>> itself and so to access the fields on the southern side of the trail. It is
>>> a peaceful spot from which to watch the river meander and to espy Johnny
>>> and Mary Muskrat as they sally forth from their watery den.
>>>
>>> [image: DSC00998 - Copy.JPG]
>>> The next three photos were taken in tiny and bucolic Springfield,
>>> approximately six miles from the western start of the trail in Elkhorn,
>>> along State Trunk Road 120 and Depot Street. The old Springfield Lumber,
>>> Feed & Fuel Co. buildings along the former railbed now serve as Pedal &
>>> Cup's bike rental depot. Note the bicycle shadow cast from the sign in the
>>> upper-right hand side of the image.
>>>
>>> [image: DSC00999 - Copy.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: DSC01010 - Copy.JPG]
>>>
>>> Across the road from the Lumber Company resides the former Milwaukee
>>> Road train depot, preserved pretty much in its original 1911 livery, but
>>> now used not to sell tickets and ship steamer trunks but to purvey Pedal &
>>> Cup's delicious ice cream and coffee (alas, closed for the season).
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: DSC01011 - Copy.JPG]
>>>
>>> Should any leisurely-minded and lollygagging-inclined fellow Rivendell
>>> enthusiasts within reach wish to come together for a party-paced ride some
>>> uncharacteristically balmy autumn day or sometime come Spring, do let me
>>> know. Cheese-and-watercress sandwiches and bergamot-infused tea shall be on
>>> the menu.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheerio,
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter (aka "Wrongway Pete")
>>> Whitewater, Wisconsin
>>>
>>> *"For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the
>>> scent of thingsWhy cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on
>>> earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"*
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Virus-free.www.avast.com
>>> 
>>> <#m_-2350530056871359881_m_-2538554736480513939_m_1318404199746751001_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Coco Menk]

Some from October in Squamish BC!
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:33:53 AM UTC-8 wrongw...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Tally-ho! 
>
> An early test run of my nearly-new (and absolutely new-to-me) 62cm 2018 
> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. The bike provides a super stable and cushy ride, 
> which I relish, but currently is a slight "work in progress" in terms of 
> bars, racks, and other fitments. To be deployed in the future, some first 
> generation Crust Towel Rack bars, Shimano bar-end shifters, Tektro brake 
> levers, a rear Nitto Campee rack, and various tire packages. 
>
> This particular ride was along the White River State Trail, a section of 
> the former Milwaukee Road rail corridor in southeast Wisconsin, which runs 
> from Elkhorn in Walworth County, 19 miles eastward to Dover in Racine 
> County, with a gap at Burlington. A section of the trail sits due north of 
> the Wisconsin resort community of Lake Geneva ("Chicagoland's playground"). 
> The first image was taken about a mile west of the Burlington trailhead, on 
> the utility bridge a tad off the trail and perpendicular to it. The bridge 
> spans the White River and allows the farm in the northern distance to 
> trundle its vehicles across the river and the east-west running trail 
> itself and so to access the fields on the southern side of the trail. It is 
> a peaceful spot from which to watch the river meander and to espy Johnny 
> and Mary Muskrat as they sally forth from their watery den.
>
> [image: DSC00998 - Copy.JPG]
> The next three photos were taken in tiny and bucolic Springfield, 
> approximately six miles from the western start of the trail in Elkhorn, 
> along State Trunk Road 120 and Depot Street. The old Springfield Lumber, 
> Feed & Fuel Co. buildings along the former railbed now serve as Pedal & 
> Cup's bike rental depot. Note the bicycle shadow cast from the sign in the 
> upper-right hand side of the image.
>
> [image: DSC00999 - Copy.JPG]
>
> [image: DSC01010 - Copy.JPG]
>
> Across the road from the Lumber Company resides the former Milwaukee Road 
> train depot, preserved pretty much in its original 1911 livery, but now 
> used not to sell tickets and ship steamer trunks but to purvey Pedal & 
> Cup's delicious ice cream and coffee (alas, closed for the season).
>
>
> [image: DSC01011 - Copy.JPG]
>
> Should any leisurely-minded and lollygagging-inclined fellow Rivendell 
> enthusiasts within reach wish to come together for a party-paced ride some 
> uncharacteristically balmy autumn day or sometime come Spring, do let me 
> know. Cheese-and-watercress sandwiches and bergamot-infused tea shall be on 
> the menu. 
>
>
> Cheerio,
>
>
> Peter (aka "Wrongway Pete")
> Whitewater, Wisconsin
>
> *"For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the 
> scent of thingsWhy cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on 
> earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"*
>
>
> 
>  
> Virus-free.www.avast.com 
> 
>  
> <#m_7625554205716465199_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

Those sound delicious Ted!! I'll have to give those a try.

Garth - your creamy fruit rice sounds amazing too!! I'm curious about
incorporating the dried apricots; I've never tried cooking with them, but I
imagine they are a little less intense on the GI system if you get them
into some boiling water. When you re-add the rice to the cooled
raisin/apricot water, what heat level do you use for the 15 min? Love the
sound of the banana+masa flour mush - is the flour easy to source? Also
would love details on your beef liver stew.

I love how jazzy people are getting with their recipes! That's what food is
all about, IMHO :)



On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 8:28 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:41:11 AM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 2) I'd love to compile a collection of favorite recipes! What do you make
> for yourselves/your families? What's your favorite sandwich you bring on
> your bike rides? Any bike tour go-to's?
>
>
>  choco-date-hazel-coco bombs:
> Dates
> Hazelnuts (roasted, salted if you like)
> Dark chocolate morsels
> Coconut flour
>
> Use equal measures (by weight) of chocolate, dates, and hazelnuts. In a
> food processor, start with the dates (be sure there are no pits!). When
> they're well chopped, add the hazelnuts and blend until you have a fairly
> moist ball. You want to release a bit of the oil from the hazelnuts, but
> not completely into a butter. Then add the chocolate and run it just long
> enough to blend in. It will be getting pretty warm at this point and you
> don't want to overheat the chocolate. Scoop out and form balls, whatever
> size you like, but I aim for something a bit smaller than a golf ball. Roll
> the ball in coconut flour  and set aside to cool and harden.
>
> They stay remarkably solid even in a warm handlebar bag, but if you put
> them in a pocket you'll probably have a mess.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

Hey Pam!

That granola bar sounds awesome - do you bake them or just form them into a
"powerball" type snack? What kinds of bread do you make? Do you use a
breadmaker?

Your comment about recipe compatibility is also a topic of the beginning of
this thread! Since so many people are aligning themselves with different
diets these days, I was curious how many in the group had read Grant's
book, *Eat Bacon, Don't Jog *and was curious how many people either aligned
themselves with his ideals or have since/have always aligned with a
different nutritional path. Since bike people are often health conscious
and environmentally conscious, I figured there was probably an interesting
spread across those of us who contribute to the group!

I don't think it's particularly helpful to try to make recipes that
absolutely everyone can eat. It can be at a dinner party, but I'm more
interested in people's tried and true recipes to learn more about each
other and to be able to share a variety of ideas on health and enthusiasm
for food. If you're interested in cuisine, I think that it can be easy to
appreciate and respect someone else's love for cooking even if it is
following the restrictions (or lack thereof) of someone else's theories.

I also stated in the beginning that this is not a space to sh** on other's
beliefs, but a space to compare and share! It seems like we have quite a
trove of foodies and it would be fun to compile the recipes into a
collection that we all have access to! :)



On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 4:32 PM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> I'm afraid there are too many limitations and individual differences that
> make recipes difficult.  Some people are vegan, vegetarian, keto, diabetic,
> gluten free, soy free, shellfish allergies, etc.
>
> I eat locally, seasonally, bake my own bread and make everything from
> scratch but I'm not a calorie counter and have no restrictions.  And
> everyone's local produce selection is different.  Not to mention the
> organic or not.
>
> I do make a granola bar with just oats, peanut butter, honey then top
> w/chocolate chips, coconut, nuts etc.  that is high density in calories and
> easy for a road snack.  I just take snacks like nuts, crackers, etc in my
> bag in case I get hungry.
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:18:29 PM UTC-4 coco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick - great links! Definitely some great ideas in there. I've also
>> been reading a lot about Traditional Chinese Medicine and some of the more
>> surface level ideas they have surrounding food and its properties in
>> relation to one's physical constitution. There's a lot I don't understand,
>> and a lot of traditional herbal knowledge that is still beyond me, but it's
>> been interesting to try to incorporate some of the food ideas into my diet
>> and see some of the results. Because different food and herbs and spices
>> interact with our internal balance then you have to mediate any imbalances
>> by incorporating more of certain things and less of others to try to get
>> back to a sort of equilibrium.
>>
>> These ideas are how I got a lot of inspiration to remove gluten, sugars
>> and dairy, more so than Grant's book, although that was still pretty
>> informative.The health complaints I was having have resolved themselves
>> almost completely with the removal of a lot of these foods and it's been
>> really interesting to explore non-Western ideas of nutrition and health.
>>
>> Anyone do yoga or incorporate any of those ideas? Was just doing some
>> reading on the Ayurveda concept of "Digestive Fire" which seems to have a
>> decent amount of overlap with TCM gut-health ideology.
>>
>> Exliontamer - Noodles are a hard one to cut out - I so feel you! I try to
>> save noodles for special occasions now and really relish them. What kind of
>> vinaigrette do you make for your Cobb Salad?
>>
>> My own favorite recipe lately has been my new breakfast oatmeal, which
>> incorporates spices recommended to me by various TCM-inspired resources:
>>
>> Turmeric Oats:
>>
>> 1/2c dried oats (will work with quick or rolled, just adjust cook time)
>> ~1/3c frozen berries (my favorite is blueberries)
>> 1 tsp cinnamon
>> 1/4 tsp turmeric
>> 1 Tbsp chia seeds
>> 1/4 tsp salt
>> 1 Tbsp honey
>> 1-2 Tbsp full fat coconut milk, or dehydrated coconut milk powder
>> 1 c. water
>>
>> Combine all dry ingredients (minus salt) into a bowl. In a covered
>> saucepan, heat water & coconut milk over medium-heat until you reach a low
>> boil. Add all dry ingredients and stir. Cover, lowering heat to medium-low,
>> and let cook for 5 min (if using quick oats) or 10 (if using rolled).
>> Uncover and remove from heat. Add salt and honey and serve fresh! Works for
>> overnight oats as well but isn't as good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM exliontamer  wrote:
>>
>>> I read Eat Bacon and lost a bit of weight. I'm already relatively in
>>> shape for my age but have continued to use keto-ish methods when I want to
>>> lose a bit. As a 

Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

Patrick - great links! Definitely some great ideas in there. I've also been
reading a lot about Traditional Chinese Medicine and some of the more
surface level ideas they have surrounding food and its properties in
relation to one's physical constitution. There's a lot I don't understand,
and a lot of traditional herbal knowledge that is still beyond me, but it's
been interesting to try to incorporate some of the food ideas into my diet
and see some of the results. Because different food and herbs and spices
interact with our internal balance then you have to mediate any imbalances
by incorporating more of certain things and less of others to try to get
back to a sort of equilibrium.

These ideas are how I got a lot of inspiration to remove gluten, sugars and
dairy, more so than Grant's book, although that was still pretty
informative.The health complaints I was having have resolved themselves
almost completely with the removal of a lot of these foods and it's been
really interesting to explore non-Western ideas of nutrition and health.

Anyone do yoga or incorporate any of those ideas? Was just doing some
reading on the Ayurveda concept of "Digestive Fire" which seems to have a
decent amount of overlap with TCM gut-health ideology.

Exliontamer - Noodles are a hard one to cut out - I so feel you! I try to
save noodles for special occasions now and really relish them. What kind of
vinaigrette do you make for your Cobb Salad?

My own favorite recipe lately has been my new breakfast oatmeal, which
incorporates spices recommended to me by various TCM-inspired resources:

Turmeric Oats:

1/2c dried oats (will work with quick or rolled, just adjust cook time)
~1/3c frozen berries (my favorite is blueberries)
1 tsp cinnamon
1/4 tsp turmeric
1 Tbsp chia seeds
1/4 tsp salt
1 Tbsp honey
1-2 Tbsp full fat coconut milk, or dehydrated coconut milk powder
1 c. water

Combine all dry ingredients (minus salt) into a bowl. In a covered
saucepan, heat water & coconut milk over medium-heat until you reach a low
boil. Add all dry ingredients and stir. Cover, lowering heat to medium-low,
and let cook for 5 min (if using quick oats) or 10 (if using rolled).
Uncover and remove from heat. Add salt and honey and serve fresh! Works for
overnight oats as well but isn't as good.






On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM exliontamer  wrote:

> I read Eat Bacon and lost a bit of weight. I'm already relatively in shape
> for my age but have continued to use keto-ish methods when I want to lose a
> bit. As a lifelong diet/lifestyle thing, I'm skeptical, & I flat out don't
> see it working for vegetarians in a good way. If you already like meat,
> leafy greens, fatty things, etc. I think it's a great way to shed excess
> weight periodically. I've had friends with weight issues have borderline
> miraculous results that were life changing.
>
> I just like food (especially noodles) too much to be dogmatic about diets.
> That said, one of my go to things that works on keto is a trad Cobb Salad.
> No alterations (aside from watercress/chicory which are next to impossible
> to find) and no store bought or creamy dressings. Just make your own
> vinaigrette. In the opposite realm I've been obsessed with Assassin's
> Spaghetti lately. You need a big pan but it's fun to make.
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:02:46 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I expect that the modern biomedical sciences simply don't have the right
>> epistemological or conceptual apparatus (having in mind the scientific
>> parable of the fishing net: "what my net doesn't catch isn't fish") to
>> capture everything that constitutes true nutrition. I know that in
>> traditional Chinese cooking the attitude toward food and care with which it
>> is prepared is said to affect the effect of the food on the eater. I think
>> this involves the *chi* which I know does not belong to any physical
>> category (it's not "spiritual" but relates to the level of "vital force,"
>> not reducing this to physical categories either). And other writers say
>> that it is the organic integrity of the soil that determines the nutritive
>> (again, not solely in terms of modern categories) value of food -- simply
>> shoving in nitrogen and other elements is not enough. (
>> https://www.treehugger.com/who-invented-the-idea-of-organic-farming-and-organic-food-4862673,
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_James,_4th_Baron_Northbourne)
>>
>> I agree that Pollan's is a good rule of thumb.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:26 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>>> It’s really bizarre to me that despite many impressive advancements in
>>> the biomedical sciences we still haven’t nailed down what constitutes the
>>> optimum human diet. I try to follow the well-known heuristic from Michael
>>> Pollan’s book “In Defense of Food” — “eat food, mostly plants, not too
>>> much.” (“Food” here is understood to be something that might have been
>>> recognizable to one’s great-grandparents, which is to say not synthesized
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

ple” is probably the one to get.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:32 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I'll be interested, both practically and academically,* in what others
> consider the ideal diet and I would consider buying a list cookbooks if it
> weren't too biased in the direction of "eat nothing but bacon all the time."
>
> I'll start. I don't like to cook, tho' in the past and in the right
> circumstances I've cooked largely and well, but living *solus* I find it
> a bore. So in addition to certain types of food I prefer simple food; but I
> detest poor food and therefore I dislike most prepared foods. Besides all
> this, I belong to the Orthodox [Christian] church where fast days --
> basically, no animal products, tho' the principle of *economia* always
> applies -- outnumber non-fast days. Lastly, I gave up meat entirely for
> multiple reasons.
>
> So my repertoire ranges from vegan recipes to spinach quesadillas and
> cheese sandwiches with mayo and lettuce and pickles (don't laugh; a good
> cheese sandwich goes well with a fine Shiraz). I tend to like breads and,
> somewhat less, potatoes and rice -- and beer. My mother controlled type 2
> diabetes and incipient heart trouble for 30 years by avoiding salt, fat,
> sugar, and eating lots of vegetables, styrofoam chicken breasts, and lots
> o' rice, being Filipina. Me, I prefer to ride my bikes.
>
> One very simple vegan recipe that I like: a modified Indian dal recipe.
>
> The basic recipe is cook the dal (I use, in order of preference, red,
> orange, or green, but not brown lentils from the bulk bins at Sprout's)
> until it is soft but not mushy. You can use vegetable broth in place of
> water. Prepare a savory oil: heat 1/8 cup [for large single serving] of
> neutrally flavored oil (not olive! which I use for most things) and
> "sautee" or "boil" small amounts of some or all of cumin, coriander,
> garlic, mustard seed, red pepper, fenugreek, and/or black pepper for 30-60
> seconds.
>
> Put lentils on long-grain rice, strain oil and pour over lentils, eat like
> this or add any, some, or all of full-fat yogurt, hot Indian mango pickle,
> and English sweet chutney.
>
> As I tend to overdo things I've turned this into a lentil stew: sautee
> chopped onion, add liquid and cook lentils partially, add chopped spinach,
> cook until lentils are soft but not get mushy. Serve as above.
>
> Another recent "recipe" I invented recently because I had little in the
> fridge and didn't want to bother shopping: sautee lots of garlic in olive
> oil, liberally add red pepper, after a bit add a cup or 2 of peas, I use
> frozen, sautee some more until peas thawed and mostly cooked, add 14 oz can
> of *full fat* cocoanut milk, cook som more, eat over long grain rice.
>
> Oh, and peanut butter: Sprout's has an inexpensive house brand pure peanut
> butter, just peanuts and salt. The oil separates so you have to stir
> thoroughly; I store it upside down in the pantry until use, and after
> stirring store in the refrigerator. Decent bread and a wee bit of jam with
> whole milk ...
>
> Tip: If you cook a lot of dried legumes, get a pressure cooker. Crockpots
> are also useful.
>
> [Aside: I am very proud to say that when bringing up my daughter part time
> as a single father she never ate prepared foods, not even for school day
> breakfasts. (Well, some exceptions: I briefly bought Annie's Mac 'n' Cheese
> until I decided it wasn't good enough, and we once tried McDonald's chicken
> nuggets -- she got sick. We did order in pizza occasionally.) She got
> home-made scrambled eggs and chips in the morning, or real oatmeal,
> home-made chicken nuggets and chips in the evening, or else home-made mac
> 'n' cheese or occasionally home made pizza. One recipe she loved, again
> short of ingredients and unwilling to go to Albertson's 1/4 mile away, was
> garlic spaghetti: sautee lots of garlic in lots of olive oil, serve over
> pasta with grated Romano or Parmesan. She would clamor for this when
> friends visited. Funny, now, she is a very accomplished and very inventive
> cook; she spontaneously invents interesting recipes based on what
> ingredients are at hand.]
>
>
> *Very odd, now that I think of it, that this term should come to mean
> "without practical import" -- I know that this is not *all* that it
> means, but it does have this meaning in certain uses. So: "academic" has
> come to mean in part, "Not important except for a few isolated eggheads."
> Now that's something to think about!
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 8:41 AM Coco Menk  wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>>
>> I've g

[RBW] Riv Rider Recipes

[Coco Menk]

Hey everyone! 

I've got a couple thoughts for this thread - 

1) How many of you all have read Grant's *Eat Bacon, Don't Jog*? Anyone 
subscribe to his food ideas or any other "alternative" diets? Cyclists tend 
to be pretty health-conscious and independent minded, just curious what 
kinds of ideas people are jiving with these days. Vegan? No-carb? 100-mile 
diet? Anything goes? I love hearing about what works for people. I know 
Grant's book has definitely informed my own choices a bit, specifically in 
regards to processed sugar and carbs and simpler forms of exercise. (Not 
looking to sh** on which diet is working or not working for anyone at this 
time! Save that for a different thread)

2) I'd love to compile a collection of favorite recipes! What do you make 
for yourselves/your families? What's your favorite sandwich you bring on 
your bike rides? Any bike tour go-to's?

3) If I were to compile the recipes into a nice looking book/zine, would 
that be something folks would be interested in purchasing? 

Stay people powered!
xx
Coco

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Re: [RBW] WTB 59cm Atlantis

[Coco Menk]

Hi Vern,

Yours was the older geometry Atlantis, correct?

Cco

On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 6:24 PM vernon brooks 
wrote:

> Yes Matthew this is the one that I mentioned before. I hadn't heard back
> from Coco so figured she had found something already. I would be interested
> in trading for another Rivendell if anyone here has something slightly
> smaller. My Toyo Atlantis is a 58cm and fits like a dream for reference.
>
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 4:42:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi Coco, here's a 59 if you're still looking!
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7469475805.html
>>
>> (Vern, is this yours?)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Coco Menk  wrote:
>>
>> Look here... An eagle soars through the sky. A wind, harsh as its
>> surroundings, blows.
>> Look here... A beaver perched upon the ice, long awaited the newly
>> emerged skunk cabbage in the swamps.
>> Look there... Two intrepid travelers setting out for an adventure
>> Oh no! It seems one of them is missing a 59cm Atlantis! Lo! perhaps one
>> of you can help!
>>
>> We're headed out for an extended distanced tour fairly soon and hoping to
>> have a long tail Atlantis 59 to go with us. Please spare us the humiliation
>> of being upright on conventional geometry!
>>
>> Sending love out in these trying times <3!
>> Coco
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:09:38 PM UTC-4 Coco Menk wrote:
>>
>>> Almost had one but owner backed out at the last minute - was originally
>>> thinking 62 cm for my bf because he is quite tall, but he's now saying he
>>> would prefer the 59. Looking for the newer geo please! :)
>>>
>>> Coco
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 59cm Atlantis

[Coco Menk]

Hi Andrew! Your suspicions were correct - they went to spam. How's it going?

Coco

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 3:22 PM Andrew S  wrote:

> Hi Coco,
>
> I've sent along a couple of direct emails about a possible option, in
> response to your original and subsequent post. Worried they might be going
> to your junk folder, so just thought I'd respond here too. Feel free to
> email me directly. Or if you have received them and aren't interested
> that's completely cool too, just wanted to make sure the message made its
> way successfully to you!
>
> Thanks!
>
> andrew
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 2:42 PM Coco Menk  wrote:
>
>> Look here... An eagle soars through the sky. A wind, harsh as its
>> surroundings, blows.
>> Look here... A beaver perched upon the ice, long awaited the newly
>> emerged skunk cabbage in the swamps.
>> Look there... Two intrepid travelers setting out for an adventure
>> Oh no! It seems one of them is missing a 59cm Atlantis! Lo! perhaps one
>> of you can help!
>>
>> We're headed out for an extended distanced tour fairly soon and hoping to
>> have a long tail Atlantis 59 to go with us. Please spare us the humiliation
>> of being upright on conventional geometry!
>>
>> Sending love out in these trying times <3!
>> Coco
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:09:38 PM UTC-4 Coco Menk wrote:
>>
>>> Almost had one but owner backed out at the last minute - was originally
>>> thinking 62 cm for my bf because he is quite tall, but he's now saying he
>>> would prefer the 59. Looking for the newer geo please! :)
>>>
>>> Coco
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB 59cm Atlantis

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Look here... An eagle soars through the sky. A wind, harsh as its 
surroundings, blows.
Look here... A beaver perched upon the ice, long awaited the newly emerged 
skunk cabbage in the swamps.
Look there... Two intrepid travelers setting out for an adventure
Oh no! It seems one of them is missing a 59cm Atlantis! Lo! perhaps one of 
you can help! 

We're headed out for an extended distanced tour fairly soon and hoping to 
have a long tail Atlantis 59 to go with us. Please spare us the humiliation 
of being upright on conventional geometry!

Sending love out in these trying times <3!
Coco
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:09:38 PM UTC-4 Coco Menk wrote:

> Almost had one but owner backed out at the last minute - was originally 
> thinking 62 cm for my bf because he is quite tall, but he's now saying he 
> would prefer the 59. Looking for the newer geo please! :)
>
> Coco
>

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[RBW] WTB 59cm Atlantis

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Almost had one but owner backed out at the last minute - was originally 
thinking 62 cm for my bf because he is quite tall, but he's now saying he 
would prefer the 59. Looking for the newer geo please! :)

Coco

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[RBW] WTB 62cm Atlantis

[Coco Menk]

Hey all! Keeping my eyes peeled for one of these :) Would love some help 
finding one

Coco

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[RBW] WTB 60cm XL Gus Boots

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hey there! Keeping my eye out for a 60cm Gus . Any leads? 

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[RBW] WTB Nitto 32R rack

[Coco Menk]

Hey guys!

Looking for a Nitto Big Back Rack 32R Medium for my Clem L. Anyone have any 
leads?

Much appreciated! :)

Coco

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Re: [RBW] For the Riv Sisters

[Coco Menk]

It is a hand knitted sweater! All wool of course :)

It's definitely been in action already! It's still "in progress" because 
the drivetrain and tires are still just from the parts bin. Hoping to order 
some new ones in Spring

On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com wrote:

> "In progress" looks pretty ready for action to me. Maybe it could use some 
> more gear range? Also, is that a hand knitted sweater?
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 6:52 PM Coco Menk  wrote:
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>> In progress Clem build! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

52 Clem is getting packed and ready to ship! Now I only have to decide 
which handlebars. (!)

So many decisions. Will send pics when it gets built!

Still on the lookout for some tall Clems,

Coco

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:43:06 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Yes, Coco, what Roberta said! We’d love to know what you found - color and 
> some photos and all that good stuff! I thought you’d have a difficult time 
> finding a 52, so I’m thrilled to know you snagged one somewhere. I rode 21 
> miles on my Clem today - they’re great bikes. They’re like home.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 18, 2020, at 7:59 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> I'm so happy for you.  What's the color and be sure to post pictures.   
> Nothing here on the east coast yet.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:10:18 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like I found some luck on a 52cm! Still on the lookout for a 59cm 
>> or 64cm New Gen Clem L.
>>
>> Thanks for all your help Riv Fam!
>>
>> Coco
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-5 Coco Menk wrote:
>>
>>> Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. 
>>> The Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to 
>>> own in the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at 
>>> the moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta! 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little 
>>>> group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
>>>>
>>>> I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) 
>>>> Clem H when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah. 
>>>>  
>>>> My PBH is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, 
>>>> nice 
>>>> and smooth. 
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a 
>>>> Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love 
>>>> (and a Homer).  
>>>>
>>>> I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything 
>>>> pops up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
>>>>
>>>> Roberta
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>
>>>>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
>>>>> boyfriend. 
>>>>>
>>>>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites 
>>>>> looking for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in 
>>>>> California this past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, 
>>>>> but there were so many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we 
>>>>> had our own, significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> sunny seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some 
>>>>> miracles in this absurd bike boom.
>>>>>
>>>>> More bikes for the people!!
>>>>> Coco
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Thanks for the tip Matthew! 

On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:33:44 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Coco, here's another 59 Clem Smith Jr.:
>
> $1200
> Indianapolis, IN
>
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7230856237.html
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Coco Menk  wrote:
>
> Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. The 
> Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to own in 
> the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at the 
> moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options. 
>
> Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta! 
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little 
>> group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
>>
>> I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) Clem 
>> H when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah.  My 
>> PBH is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, nice 
>> and smooth. 
>>
>> I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a 
>> Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love 
>> (and a Homer).  
>>
>> I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything pops 
>> up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
>>> boyfriend. 
>>>
>>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking 
>>> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this 
>>> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so 
>>> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
>>> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
>>> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>>
>>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some 
>>> miracles in this absurd bike boom.
>>>
>>> More bikes for the people!!
>>> Coco
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: cold weather winter riding tips

[Coco Menk]

A good thermos and a good vest! If you can find a rain jacket with the 
armpit zippers, those are great too.

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 6:33:02 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> As noted in another post above (quoted below), in cold weather, the 
> trickiest thing other than fluctuating conditions is heat put out by the 
> engine. I find wool layering, from long johns on up, to work well down into 
> the 40s while doing a good job of dissipating extra heat. (Rivendell sells 
> lots of useful wool goodies.) Colder and or windier, and a vest or jacket 
> to break the wind. Something for the head/ears always. On rides of more 
> that five or six miles in more extreme cold, feet and hands need special 
> attention. Frigid temps with bitter wind make sure you have something like 
> Riv's possum neck gaiter to pull over the face.
>
> Perhaps the most important cold riding accessory is some type of luggage 
> on the bike, so that you can take off stuff if you get overheated, and put 
> stuff on if you start to get chilly. I'm not a fan of starting out cold 
> these days. Much happier warming up while warm, then shedding a layer if 
> necessary.m
>
> From Mark in Beacon to Bryan in 12508 ;^)
>
> P.S. Didn't google previously keep hidden the email addresses on these 
> threads unless you received it via email itself?
>
>
> Brian wrote:* I'm a little cold right when I start, but warm up pretty 
> quick once I start pedaling. That's the sweet spot...if you are not cold 
> when you start, you're overdressed and you'll likely overheat and sweat a 
> lot, which will make you cold and clammy.  If you never warm up, you're not 
> wearing enough and you'll be uncomfortable the whole ride. I know I'm doing 
> it right when I'm feeling fairly thermo-regulated on climbs and flats and a 
> little chilly on descents and when I'm stopped at a light.*
>
> [image: IMG_20201108_094601979(1).jpg]
> Me in my WoolyWarm vest, vintage Pendleton, merino skins (not shown) and 
> wool beanie.
> (Yikes, the photos post differently as well!)
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 9:58:10 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I can go as low as the upper teens (if the windchill is not down in 
>> single digits) on my work commute with the following items...
>>
>> -base layer (top and bottom) that wicks moisture (wool is the best, but I 
>> have cheap Costco thermals that work ok)
>> -Normal work attire (khakis, button shirt)
>> -wool socks and liner gloves
>> -insulated leather mittens
>> -wool gaiter 
>> -thin wool beanie 
>> -light wind breaker
>>
>> I'm a little cold right when I start, but warm up pretty quick once I 
>> start pedaling. That's the sweet spot...if you are not cold when you start, 
>> you're overdressed and you'll likely overheat and sweat a lot, which will 
>> make you cold and clammy.  If you never warm up, you're not wearing enough 
>> and you'll be uncomfortable the whole ride. I know I'm doing it right when 
>> I'm feeling fairly thermo-regulated on climbs and flats and a little chilly 
>> on descents and when I'm stopped at a light.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 7:56:19 AM UTC-6 
>> br...@onenaturellc.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious to know what old time riders used to do to ride in sub 40 
>>> degree f weather. I figure my fellow riv superfans here might have some 
>>> experiences to share. I'm writing from 12508 zip code. We often get a 
>>> precious few sunny hours mid-day when the temps slip into mid-thirties in 
>>> the winter and the heavily salted country roads are for the most part ice 
>>> free. For the record, I already tried this "zwift" thing and it isn't for 
>>> me ha ha.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Looks like I found some luck on a 52cm! Still on the lookout for a 59cm or 
64cm New Gen Clem L.

Thanks for all your help Riv Fam!

Coco

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-5 Coco Menk wrote:

> Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. The 
> Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to own in 
> the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at the 
> moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options. 
>
> Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta! 
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little 
>> group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
>>
>> I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) Clem 
>> H when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah.  My 
>> PBH is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, nice 
>> and smooth. 
>>
>> I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a 
>> Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love 
>> (and a Homer).  
>>
>> I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything pops 
>> up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
>>> boyfriend. 
>>>
>>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking 
>>> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this 
>>> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so 
>>> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
>>> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
>>> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>>
>>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some 
>>> miracles in this absurd bike boom.
>>>
>>> More bikes for the people!!
>>> Coco
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Heck yeah! All the #RivSisters! Glad to learn what you all are riding. The
Joe's and Atlantis' are definitely other dream bikes I would love to own in
the future. The Clem is just a financially more realistic option at the
moment, plus the geo is fairly close to either of the lugged options.

Thanks for keeping an eye out for me, Roberta!

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM Roberta  wrote:

> HI,Coco.  Another #RivSister here.  We always are happy when our little
> group grows.  Why should the men have all the Riv-love?
>
> I am lucky enough to ride on Leah's (formerly husband's, now son's) Clem H
> when I go to visit my sister, who lives just a few miles from Leah.  My PBH
> is 83 and this bike/size will be perfect for you!  As you know, nice and
> smooth.
>
> I look forward to seeing your soon-to-be-Riv.  BTW, if you cannot get a
> Clem H, a Joe Appaloosa is a close model.  That is what I have and love
> (and a Homer).
>
> I have an ongoing Craigslist search for "Rivendell" and if anything pops
> up from Washington DC to NY, I'll let you know.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Coco Menk wrote:
>>
>> Hi there!
>>
>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my
>> boyfriend.
>>
>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking
>> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this
>> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so
>> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own,
>> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny
>> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>
>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles
>> in this absurd bike boom.
>>
>> More bikes for the people!!
>> Coco
>>
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[RBW] Re: My First Riv - c.2016 Sam H - Help needed for Newbie

[Coco Menk]

BB Tool, crank puller, chain breaker 



On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 6:12:47 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

>
> Bill Lindsay is straight to the point.  “What do you mean by…”
>
> Also, bikes are like stereo systems.  $$ for a good one, $$$ for a 
> slightly better one,  for a VERY slightly better one.  Price goes up 
> exponentially for parts where you may never feel the difference.
>
> As one who became a bicycle mechanic after getting my first Sam, I suggest:
> Velocity Atlas rims/Velocity hubs.  Quality without breaking the bank.  
> Just order a set and have Velocity put them together.  Save learning spoke 
> lacing for your second bike.
> Limit your tires to 650bx42.  You DID say “all rounder”, so why would you 
> want beach tires?
> You can’t go wrong with Tektro 559 brakes and Shimano BL-R550 brake 
> levers, as long as you keep your tires around 42 mm and have straight bars.
> 3x front and 9x or 10x rear.  Actual components depend on if you think it 
> is a road bike or not.  Deore MD-M591, Sora FD-3030 works well for me.
> If you can find it, the Suguino XD-2 with 170mm arms is a good, basic 
> crank to start with.
>
> Handlebars, stem, and controls are all personal preference, and you should 
> be prepared to try a number of them.  If you have a current bike that fits, 
> measure the distance between seat and bar grips, and try to match that with 
> your stem.  I prefer bar-end shifters on albatross bars, but thumb shifters 
> work, too.  I can’t use drop bars, but others swear by them.  My personal 
> opinion is that downtube shifters require too much fumbling around just to 
> find the shifter.
>
> You need a full set of metric box/open end wrenches for your tool set.  
> Also a cassette locking tool to remove/install cassettes on the freehub 
> (Park FR-5.2G).
> A pedal wrench would be a good addition, and a chain whip.
> With what you already have, you should at least be able to get rolling 
> with these.
>
> Good luck—
>
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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

The pricing on that one did seem a little absurd, especially since it's not
the complete! I guess the inflation demon really takes hold people in times
of crisis...

If they were selling the complete build, maybe...Even then it's only $150
off from the original Riv complete price



On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 9:41 AM Mark Roland  wrote:

> Not sure I would be promoting that on the RBW List.
>
> That $1200 price is for the frame, fork, headset, bb, & seat post, exactly
> what Rivendell offers brand new for $900. The seller helpfully mentions
> that Rivendell is all sold out and not due until spring. And so you know
> he/she is a big Riv fan, they have moved on to other Rivendell bikes--so
> Rivendells are good, and cool.
>
> I guess if you want to support someone with ethics that include being very
> comfortable with price gouging, you could take them up on the offer. Unless
> maybe the slight marring of the seat tube is considered beausage and makes
> the bike more valuable.
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-5, Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>> Here's a 52cm Clem Jr. L frameset:
>>
>> $1200
>> Ann Arbor, MI
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/174500220729
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Coco Menk  wrote:
>>
>> Hi there!
>>
>> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my
>> boyfriend.
>>
>> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking
>> for our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this
>> past winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so
>> many options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own,
>> significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny
>> seascape Riv-less, but hooked.
>>
>> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles
>> in this absurd bike boom.
>>
>> More bikes for the people!!
>> Coco
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Thanks for all the leads! Glad to see some other ladies in the Riv group 

I think I'm pretty set on the Clem H for myself, vs the L, but the blue
ones sure are pretty. We're already on the list for the 59 in Grilver,
fingers crossed!

Coco

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 5:48 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
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> Hi Coco, here is a 59 Clem H - not sure if it’s still available. Price was
> right and there was interest on the List, but the seller never marked it
> sold, so here ya go.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-FGRmLO7Z28
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[RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Hi there!

On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
boyfriend. 

We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking for 
our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this past 
winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so many 
options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
seascape Riv-less, but hooked.

The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles 
in this absurd bike boom.

More bikes for the people!!
Coco


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