[RBW] 43mm-46mm 650b Tire Options.

[David B]

Curious what true 43mm-46mm 650b tire options are currently available. I'm 
using Velocity Atlas rims, so 'true' meaning they'll measure that on those 
rims. I setup my Riv Redwood (glad I kept) as 650b for a while now and am 
running 48mm Pari Motos (slightly undersized). They're mighty close to the 
chainstays, so looking for something slightly smaller. Asking for 43mm as 
it seems many of the current 42mm are undersized. 
Thanks!
David 

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[David B]

Thanks to everyone who got something. Most items shipped out today.
Just the Nitto rear cable hanger and some leather mudflaps left. For 
mudflap colors, as of right now there are 2 dark brown, 6 black, and 7 
honey left. FYI for the final items shipping is a flat $5 per order. 
Thanks again!
David 

On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Cleaning out the garage! I think I had these up earlier this summer - 
> dropping prices on some of those previously listed items.
>
> For simplicity's sake in claiming/paying these, I've add these to my 
> leather goods webshop which I've recently dusted off. The pertinent items 
> are here (and linked individually below): 
> https://www.treetopgoods.com/category/bicycle-goods
>
> Please go through the webshop to claim and pay for something - PayPal 
> checkout is used for payment. Shipping is not included in the prices listed 
> below - I've approximated shipping in my shop. If actual shipping is off, 
> I'll send a refund. If I've undercharged shipping, then I'll cover it. I've 
> set up selling parts like this in the past and it's by far the easiest way 
> for me to do this. 
>
> There are off-topic leather goods available in the shop - feel free to add 
> - but they are off-topic so I won't go in to that here.
>
> Ok... what do I have?
>
> (1.) Nitto Tallux Stem 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/nitto-tallux-quill-stem-25-4mm-120mm> 
> - 12cm, 25.4mm clamp - used a bunch on my Clem, typical scratches on quill 
> and top of stem from flipping (gasp!) bike to change a tube - $35
>
> (2.) Brooks B17 Saddle 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/brooks-b17-saddle-honey>- honey, 
> now aged to a dark brown - heavily used - I'm moving on to a new saddle - 
> if you're lighter weight than me, this might work just fine for you, but it 
> started to sag a bit too much for my comfort - lace it, stuff a la Riv, or 
> use as it is if it works for you - $45
>
> (3.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/shimano-tiagra-road-levers> - 
> lightly used, scratches on one lever, just levers (no cables/housing) - $10
>
> (4.) IRD CAFAM Cantilever Brake Set 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/ird-cafam-cantilever-brake-set> - 
> original mid profile version, no mounting bolts or yokes, need new brake 
> pad inserts, polished silver - $15
>
> (5.) Nitto Rear Cable Stop 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/nitto-rear-centerpull-cable-stop> - 
> model AS-2, for center pull/canti, the long version Riv sells, excellent 
> used condition - $10
>
> (6.) Velo Orange Grand Cru Rando Bars 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/velo-orange-grand-cru-randonneur-handlebar-50cm>
>  
> - 50cm, 26.0, mounted to test fit on bike, don’t think I actually rode 
> these - $30
>
> (7.) Leather Mud Flaps 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/closeout-leather-mud-flap-for-bicycle-fenders>-
>  
> I make these - I'm changing up the shape on these so offering the last of 
> this batch at a lower price - $6
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for a 59cm Clem

[David B]

My 2014 (?, is that the first year) Clem has a 64cm top tube, same as the 
60cm Appaloosa I was considering.

On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 4:05:05 PM UTC-5 Tom L. wrote:

> I have a 2017 Clem-H in 59 and the top tube is 25.5" center to center 
> which is 1" longer than my 2022 Atlantis in 59. 
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 10:33:56 AM UTC-7 David B wrote:
>
>> To chime in as a long time 59cm Clem (H) rider: I have the first run 
>> version which has a shorter top tube than the current L versions. The H 
>> might possibly have gotten a longer top tube at some point before it was 
>> discontinued. I've hemmed/hawed over the years about 'upgrading' to an 
>> Atlantis or Appa, and after digging in to geometry charts, it appears my 
>> Clem is nearly identical geometrically to the Appa in a similar size, so 
>> I'm sticking with what I have. This is all to say if anyone if looking at 
>> the used market for an H (not mine, not for sale), it'd be worth it to get 
>> an actual measurement of the top tube.
>> David (been a long while since I've participated on this list)
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 8:46:40 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Garth. I hadn't followed the model's genesis.
>>>
>>> Can any owner and rider say how the H compares in handling and overall 
>>> "fit and feel" to the L?
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where to find the geom specs for the H?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 11:27 AM Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick, the first Clems were made in 2 styles, the normal top tube 
>>>> (H)is and the low tube (L)adies, originally called Clementine., an awesome 
>>>> name. The story I read alleges "someone" took offense to the frame 
>>>> name/designation, so apparently Grant gave in to the insanity and changed 
>>>> it. Well I'm so offended by anyone who had a thing against the name 
>>>> designations Clementine and Ladies. (tongue in cheek). No what ? (( 
>>>> laughing )).   Those frames are a bit shorter in the front end than the 
>>>> current model design that began in 2019 or so.  What you may pay for any 
>>>> of 
>>>> them has everything to do with whatever satisfies the seller. Could be 
>>>> nothing, $20, $2000. (( shrugs and a smile )).  
>>>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 12:52:23 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is the difference between the Clem L and the Clem H? Are there 
>>>>> any other Clem models besides the L and H? If so, pray, what? And how are 
>>>>> they different from the L and H?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last question: Are any of these models likely to be cheaper on the 
>>>>> used market than others?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 10:25 AM Tristen Moss  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this point I’m pretty dead set on a 59 Clem L. 
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-7 Tom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very welcome.  Have you considered a used H model in a 59? 
>>>>>>
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[David B]

Forgot to add:
If you are local to Chicagoland and want to pickup near River Grove, IL (or 
possibly UIC campus during the week) - please still pay through the shop 
and use the discount code LOCAL which will remove shipping.

On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Cleaning out the garage! I think I had these up earlier this summer - 
> dropping prices on some of those previously listed items.
>
> For simplicity's sake in claiming/paying these, I've add these to my 
> leather goods webshop which I've recently dusted off. The pertinent items 
> are here (and linked individually below): 
> https://www.treetopgoods.com/category/bicycle-goods
>
> Please go through the webshop to claim and pay for something - PayPal 
> checkout is used for payment. Shipping is not included in the prices listed 
> below - I've approximated shipping in my shop. If actual shipping is off, 
> I'll send a refund. If I've undercharged shipping, then I'll cover it. I've 
> set up selling parts like this in the past and it's by far the easiest way 
> for me to do this. 
>
> There are off-topic leather goods available in the shop - feel free to add 
> - but they are off-topic so I won't go in to that here.
>
> Ok... what do I have?
>
> (1.) Nitto Tallux Stem 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/nitto-tallux-quill-stem-25-4mm-120mm> 
> - 12cm, 25.4mm clamp - used a bunch on my Clem, typical scratches on quill 
> and top of stem from flipping (gasp!) bike to change a tube - $35
>
> (2.) Brooks B17 Saddle 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/brooks-b17-saddle-honey>- honey, 
> now aged to a dark brown - heavily used - I'm moving on to a new saddle - 
> if you're lighter weight than me, this might work just fine for you, but it 
> started to sag a bit too much for my comfort - lace it, stuff a la Riv, or 
> use as it is if it works for you - $45
>
> (3.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/shimano-tiagra-road-levers> - 
> lightly used, scratches on one lever, just levers (no cables/housing) - $10
>
> (4.) IRD CAFAM Cantilever Brake Set 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/ird-cafam-cantilever-brake-set> - 
> original mid profile version, no mounting bolts or yokes, need new brake 
> pad inserts, polished silver - $15
>
> (5.) Nitto Rear Cable Stop 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/nitto-rear-centerpull-cable-stop> - 
> model AS-2, for center pull/canti, the long version Riv sells, excellent 
> used condition - $10
>
> (6.) Velo Orange Grand Cru Rando Bars 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/velo-orange-grand-cru-randonneur-handlebar-50cm>
>  
> - 50cm, 26.0, mounted to test fit on bike, don’t think I actually rode 
> these - $30
>
> (7.) Leather Mud Flaps 
> <https://www.treetopgoods.com/product/closeout-leather-mud-flap-for-bicycle-fenders>-
>  
> I make these - I'm changing up the shape on these so offering the last of 
> this batch at a lower price - $6
>
>
>

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[David B]

Cleaning out the garage! I think I had these up earlier this summer - 
dropping prices on some of those previously listed items.

For simplicity's sake in claiming/paying these, I've add these to my 
leather goods webshop which I've recently dusted off. The pertinent items 
are here (and linked individually below): 
https://www.treetopgoods.com/category/bicycle-goods

Please go through the webshop to claim and pay for something - PayPal 
checkout is used for payment. Shipping is not included in the prices listed 
below - I've approximated shipping in my shop. If actual shipping is off, 
I'll send a refund. If I've undercharged shipping, then I'll cover it. I've 
set up selling parts like this in the past and it's by far the easiest way 
for me to do this. 

There are off-topic leather goods available in the shop - feel free to add 
- but they are off-topic so I won't go in to that here.

Ok... what do I have?

(1.) Nitto Tallux Stem 
 
- 12cm, 25.4mm clamp - used a bunch on my Clem, typical scratches on quill 
and top of stem from flipping (gasp!) bike to change a tube - $35

(2.) Brooks B17 Saddle 
- honey, now 
aged to a dark brown - heavily used - I'm moving on to a new saddle - if 
you're lighter weight than me, this might work just fine for you, but it 
started to sag a bit too much for my comfort - lace it, stuff a la Riv, or 
use as it is if it works for you - $45

(3.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers 
 - lightly 
used, scratches on one lever, just levers (no cables/housing) - $10

(4.) IRD CAFAM Cantilever Brake Set 
 - 
original mid profile version, no mounting bolts or yokes, need new brake 
pad inserts, polished silver - $15

(5.) Nitto Rear Cable Stop 
 - 
model AS-2, for center pull/canti, the long version Riv sells, excellent 
used condition - $10

(6.) Velo Orange Grand Cru Rando Bars 

 
- 50cm, 26.0, mounted to test fit on bike, don’t think I actually rode 
these - $30

(7.) Leather Mud Flaps 
-
 
I make these - I'm changing up the shape on these so offering the last of 
this batch at a lower price - $6


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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for a 59cm Clem

[David B]

To chime in as a long time 59cm Clem (H) rider: I have the first run 
version which has a shorter top tube than the current L versions. The H 
might possibly have gotten a longer top tube at some point before it was 
discontinued. I've hemmed/hawed over the years about 'upgrading' to an 
Atlantis or Appa, and after digging in to geometry charts, it appears my 
Clem is nearly identical geometrically to the Appa in a similar size, so 
I'm sticking with what I have. This is all to say if anyone if looking at 
the used market for an H (not mine, not for sale), it'd be worth it to get 
an actual measurement of the top tube.
David (been a long while since I've participated on this list)

On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 8:46:40 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Garth. I hadn't followed the model's genesis.
>
> Can any owner and rider say how the H compares in handling and overall 
> "fit and feel" to the L?
>
> Does anyone know where to find the geom specs for the H?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 11:27 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, the first Clems were made in 2 styles, the normal top tube (H)is 
>> and the low tube (L)adies, originally called Clementine., an awesome name. 
>> The story I read alleges "someone" took offense to the frame 
>> name/designation, so apparently Grant gave in to the insanity and changed 
>> it. Well I'm so offended by anyone who had a thing against the name 
>> designations Clementine and Ladies. (tongue in cheek). No what ? (( 
>> laughing )).   Those frames are a bit shorter in the front end than the 
>> current model design that began in 2019 or so.  What you may pay for any of 
>> them has everything to do with whatever satisfies the seller. Could be 
>> nothing, $20, $2000. (( shrugs and a smile )).  
>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 12:52:23 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> What is the difference between the Clem L and the Clem H? Are there any 
>>> other Clem models besides the L and H? If so, pray, what? And how are they 
>>> different from the L and H?
>>>
>>> Last question: Are any of these models likely to be cheaper on the used 
>>> market than others?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 10:25 AM Tristen Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At this point I’m pretty dead set on a 59 Clem L. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-7 Tom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Very welcome.  Have you considered a used H model in a 59? 
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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>>
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[David Ross]

I sold my last drop bar bike earlier this year. One thing to keep in mind
is that pain isn’t just about the here and now, it’s a signal that you’re
doing additional damage to your body. I keep that in mind because I want to
ride for as much of the rest of my life as possible. At 51, bars that are
level with the saddle are what I would consider to be “slammed”! All of my
bikes have swept bars these days with the minimum sweep being around 30 and
the max at a touch over 70. It’s a bit of a bummer not to be able to ride
the racier stuff these days, but with my current setup I think I can stay
on the bike for another couple of decades.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 9:28 PM Jay  wrote:

> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it
> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos
> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more
> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive)
> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this
> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't
> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be
> better?
>
> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't
> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly.
> Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>
> *Quick background*
> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road;
> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't
> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head;
> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of
> 'gravel' bikes/riding
> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and
> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position
> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength
> training; have had numerous bike fits
> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom
> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in
> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>
> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during
> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after
> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I
> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times
> spring-fall and more in the winter.
>
> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired
> as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and
> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms
> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body
> aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and
> awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75%
> to 99%)*
>
> My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars
> about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each,
> when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that
> because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine
> angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of
> age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in,
> and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on
> those days!?
>
> I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept
> back (or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned
> to mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if
> they're anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it,
> but you have to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar
> bike in the garage and hop on your more relaxed bike, and thus avoid most
> of the issues you would have had on the other (slightly more aggressive)
> bike?*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Replacement tires for Soma Shikoro 42 x 622mm (700 x 42) cream sidewalls

[David Jones]

Thanks, Tom, Gene, Chris, and Ryan for taking the time to offer your ideas,
and especially the comments about whether to go tubeless. I will keep them
in mind for the future.  I ended up going through my local bike shop and
bought a pair of Specialized Pathfinder Pro's, 700 × 38.  Ryan's preference
for no-fuss over more speed resonated.  Thanks, guys!

On Sat, Aug 24, 2024, 7:22 AM Ryan Mulcahy  wrote:

> Just my experience: Rene Herse roll really fast, but they're expensive and
> I would try them tubed because set up tubeless on my hilsen they have been
> a huge pain -- weepy sealant and you can't go two days without having to
> top off the air. So I'll be switching to ultradynamico slicks, which I've
> had good luck with. For what it's worth my wife has specialized pathfinders
> on her Joe App (650bx47) -- they don't roll as fast as RH but I've never
> once had to put air in them in six months. I think given the choice between
> no-fuss and a little more speed, I favor the former.
>
> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 3:02:36 PM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> I went down to the local bike co-op to drop off a bunch of like-new
>> stuff, and purchased a 38mm Conti touring something or other, and a 43mm
>> GravelKing SS+, $20 for both basically new tires.
>>
>> Slight difference in cushion from the previous RH Oracle Ridge tires,
>> slight road performance improvement from the Oracle Ridges (I suppose I am
>> the uncommon proponent of Grant's outlook on tires). I found I was leading
>> all of the group ride climbs, by a lot, whereas I was front third of the
>> pack on the RH tires.
>>
>> The mismatched 43mm front and 38mm rear reminds me of the old 69er Ibis
>> Mt Trials bike (but it shouldn't), makes me happy to enjoy stuff someone
>> else couldn't.
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 11:10:22 AM UTC-7 Gene B wrote:
>>
>>> They are not 42s, but I really like my SimWorks Volummy 700 x 38s that I
>>> set up tubeless on my drop bar gravel bike. Someone correct me if I'm
>>> wrong, but to the touch, their peanut butter sidewall appears to be similar
>>> to RH's endurance options
>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 I'm sure I won't be the only one to recommend Rene Herse tires. I have
 some regret getting the standard casing, as I had more than a couple of
 flats on my suburban commute. Glass that any Schwalbe tire would shrug off
 just works it's way in there.  The same with small wires. I run tubes.

 Tom

 On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 6:16:23 PM UTC-4 dajo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> My Soma Shikoro tires need to be replaced.  I'm seeking
> recommendations from the hive.  The new tires will be paired with 700C
> Velocity NoBS wheels.  I ride mostly on pavement, but the tires need to be
> able to handle gravel, too.  Suggestions?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus Boots a-go-go

[David Ross]

Investing. Which rims are you using? I’m on 25 internal and I get a decent
amount of deflection. I’d run wider rims if I could figure out where to
find wider rims and if I could figure out the braking. Disc brakes would
obviously solve the issue.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 1:26 AM iamkeith  wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 7:43:00 AM UTC-6 Nick Shoemaker wrote:
>
> I'm not a Gus'r yet, but definitely a big fan of big tires on trail Rivs!
> I've maxed my Clem out with 2.6" Mezcals, which are fantastic even with
> tubes. Curious if any of you other Hillibikers have made the switch from
> tubes to tubeless and how noticeable the difference was? Also, anyone
> running anything wider than a 2.6 on their Gus/Susie - what's the absolute
> max that will fit?
>
>
>
> I have 2.8s, mounted on 42 external/33 internal rims, on my Susie.  I
> built the wheels while I was waiting for the frame (first-run) to arrive,
> so didn't try anything more "normal" first, but now sort of regret it.  I
> almost always want "more" tire, but this is one of the first times that
> I've ever had a bike that accommodates fatter tires than I need.  KInd of
> nice for a change.  I sort of experienced the same thing with my
> All-Rounder, where I realized that 1.95s are better than 2.3s or 2.1s -
> but, truthfully, I was pushing clearances with the larger tires in that
> case.  In the case of the Susie, the 2.8s fit the frame just fine.   It's
> just that it doesn't handle well.   Too much pneumatic self-steer, and the
> center of gravity feels way too high - not like a Rivendell at all.
> (Although the newer, lugged version is a bit lower, so maybe better with a
> bigger tire?)
>
> My plan is to get some 2.6 tires.  I've been looking at the Maxis Ikon,
> mostly because it will fill a gap or offer some variety to my other bikes
> that have either knobbier or slicker treads.  I'm hoping I don't have to go
> even smaller, because my rims are so wide that narrower tires might end up
> with a wierd profile.   The only reason I haven't done it yet is because i
> have those expensive TPU tubes, which aren't reported to do well if you
> switch to a smaller volume tire.  (I guess they stretch, and don't have
> elastic memory.)  And I REALLY like the tubes.
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Re: [RBW] Clem musings

[David Ross]

The Ergons aren’t great for swept bars. I have a pair on my Gus and they’re
about to be replaced. The issue is the hard retaining clamp at the back of
the grip. I have a pair of these on one of my other bikes and they are
hands down the best ergos for swept bars:

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/bike-accessories/bike-handlebar-grips-tape/bike-handlebar-grips/bontrager-xr-endurance-elite-recycled-grip-set/p/5277812/


These are relatively soft yet durable and they’re much easier on the hands.
Really fat grips like the Jones Bar grips also work well for me, but I
prefer lock on grips.

I’m unhealthily obsessed with swept bars and have probably spent more time
and money than I should have getting the right fit. They are really
difficult to set up correctly as there are so many variable. Bar height is
one of the most critical elements and I’ve found that the higher the bar,
the less everything else matters. I ride some really technical stuff on my
bikes, so I prefer a wider bar for better leg clearance. I have my bars
made by Keaton at Doom Bars, and I highly recommend this route if you’re
having a hard time finding the right fit. I just installed some of his bars
on my Gus. They’re basically oversized albatross bars that measure 707mm
wide.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 6:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Breaking off from the Gus thread to think out loud about a Clem addition
> to my stable.
>
> Tire width: thanks, Nick; that's really good to know.
>
> Has the Clem design been altered recently to allow fatter tires? I have
> vague memories of asking about max tire width several times before and
> hearing that ~50 mm was max ...?
>
> Just looked at the frame specs: max width for all sizes is given as 55 mm?
> Is this just proactive conservatism?
>
> Bar: Alexis: I'd really like to try something like the Billie or Choco or
> Albatross flipped upside down; or perhaps a much narrower North Road ditto,
> since I dislike really wide bars; but I've at least a score of non-drops
> and have never, ever found one that doesn't hurt my left palm -- very
> sensitive -- after a couple of miles. The closest was a Map Ahearne bar
> severely trimmed with Ergon grips, but even with that, going back to a
> (basically no-reach) Hover drop, this on the long-tt Monocog, was like
> coming home again.
>
> I see that the effective tt for the 59 is 68.5 mm. I'll have to figure out
> how much of that you get back from the 71.5* sta and the 69.5 hta compared
> to my usual ~56.5 cm with 73 sta. But I suppose I could get back 60 or 70
> mm with a no-reach stem compare to my usual 80 and use a very short reach
> bar like the 70 mm Hover instead of the 115 mm-reach RH Maes Parallel and
> make up any leftovers with the higher bar placement I'd expect for such a
> bike.
>
> In fact, with the max tire width no longer a question, the 2 remaining
> hesitations are vertical dropouts and the bar question. Oh, and a third:
> the temptation to keep upgrading a nice beater until I am no longer
> comfortable leaving it locked outside.
>
> I want to use an IGH or single speed hub. I could use hubs with a
> freewheel and use a tensioner but I'd really  like a fixed drivetrain. I'm
> tempted to try the floating chainring chain tensioning solution which
> should be relatively easy with the very long stays.
>
> So the upshot is I want to take a nice frame and use it for something
> contrary to what it was designed for. I suppose that's typical.
>
> Meanwhile I'll fret about it until, maybe, I do something about it. But a
> Clem is on a provisional short list.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 12:35 PM Nick Shoemaker 
> wrote:
>
>> ... @Patrick: My Clem is a size 64 on 700c Cliffhangers ( 25mm internal
>> width) running tubes - I didn't have calipers on hand, but my measuring
>> tape estimate came to ~65-66mm for the 29x2.6" Mezcal. It certainly runs
>> bigger than the 29x2.6" Nobby Nic that I used for a short time, which is my
>> only other point of reference. I also totally agree with you on unpaved
>> tire pressures - back in my 'racy' days I would run ~16psi on my tubeless
>> 26x2.4" - even 20psi resulted in a noticeable hit to traction. I'm about
>> 20lbs heaver now (140>160), but I'm guessing I had the big Mezcals down to
>> ~20psi with tubes on my last ride and they felt great.
>>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 3:04 PM R. Alexis  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> What non drop bars are you considering? The Alt-Bars that are out there
> seem to work well. At least for me. I have a set of early Jones titanium
> H-Bars with the J bend on my Waterford 1400 mountain bike and a set of
> Surly Open Bars on the Gary Fisher Gemini tandem mounted on the front. Both
> bars are comfortable. I have several bikes sporting Wilderness Trail Bikes
> Dirt Drops that I really like and my Schwinn Voyageur has a Nitto flared
> drop bar (014) on it.
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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots a-go-go

[David Ross]

I’m currently running American Classic in 2.25 inches with tubes. I’m 
definitely going wider and tubeless soon! I just switched to an indexed 
Microshift shifter and I think it’s going to help hugely in single track. 
On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 1:58:48 PM UTC-4 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> dross,
>
> I'm a bit ambivalent with friction shifting too!
> The only friction shifters I will universally use is for the front 
> derailleur. I got myself some high quality 9s XTR m970 rear shifters, 
> coupled with rapid rise XTRs of different generations (m950-m970) on 
> several rivs and they all shift like butter with no issues. 
>
> What kind of tires would you prefer on the rocky terrain? 
> I'm sure the Ryde Andra40 rims on your Gus are more than capable of taking 
> a beating and staying true. 
>
> Best,
> IY
> NYC/CT
>
> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-4 Tom wrote:
>
>> Agree 100% with " Friction shifting is a cruel mistress. I found myself 
>> hesitating to shift, worried I’d miss a gear while ascending, so I sort of 
>> grunted it out in a select few gears. It’s the only ride I’ve been on in a 
>> while that made me lust for indexed shifting."
>>
>> I used to have a grilver Clem H with 2.25 knobbies and a Jones bar.  I 
>> could sorta get used to how long it was, but the singletrack I have access 
>> to has enough rooty, quick turning little ascents that made me really want 
>> an index-shifter on the rear.  Would highly recommend setting it up that 
>> way for those in similar situations.
>>
>> [image: Umstead_rear_quarter_75%.jpg]
>>
>> Tom
>> On Saturday, August 24, 2024 at 12:10:18 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I found myself on an unplanned ride today with my Gus Boots Willsen, and 
>>> let me say, it’s a real mountain bike—no doubt about it. Sure, it’s also a 
>>> hillibike and a damn good cruiser, but until now, I’d been treating it like 
>>> a dad gravel rig, cruising along the easy paths. Today, though, I was out 
>>> there with a buddy on a full suspension beast, and the Gus held its ground. 
>>>
>>> But let’s talk about the shifting. Friction shifting is a cruel 
>>> mistress. I found myself hesitating to shift, worried I’d miss a gear while 
>>> ascending, so I sort of grunted it out in a select few gears. It’s the only 
>>> ride I’ve been on in a while that made me lust for indexed shifting. The 
>>> 2.25-inch cross-country tires I’m currently running? Not ideal. A wider 
>>> tire with lower pressure would have been a game changer, no question about 
>>> it. Surprisingly, my 70 degree swept handlebars were an actual blessing as 
>>> they allowed me to keep my weight back while descending. 
>>>
>>> Thank the gods for the SQ Labs 602 saddle—padded and ready for the chaos 
>>> of rocky terrain. I shudder to think what it would have been like on one of 
>>> my Brooks saddles. I was seated, navigating through a minefield of rocks, 
>>> without a dropper post to save my undercarriage from abuse. 
>>>
>>> I’ve ridden my fair share of 90s mountain bikes, and I’ll tell you this: 
>>> the Gus is a more capable singletrack machine with its improved geometry. 
>>> Today’s ride opened my eyes. The Gus is more than just a hillibike. It’s an 
>>> all-rounder, ready for whatever madness the trail throws at you, so long as 
>>> you’re keeping the rubber on the ground. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Gus Boots a-go-go

[David Ross]

 

I found myself on an unplanned ride today with my Gus Boots Willsen, and 
let me say, it’s a real mountain bike—no doubt about it. Sure, it’s also a 
hillibike and a damn good cruiser, but until now, I’d been treating it like 
a dad gravel rig, cruising along the easy paths. Today, though, I was out 
there with a buddy on a full suspension beast, and the Gus held its ground. 

But let’s talk about the shifting. Friction shifting is a cruel mistress. I 
found myself hesitating to shift, worried I’d miss a gear while ascending, 
so I sort of grunted it out in a select few gears. It’s the only ride I’ve 
been on in a while that made me lust for indexed shifting. The 2.25-inch 
cross-country tires I’m currently running? Not ideal. A wider tire with 
lower pressure would have been a game changer, no question about it. 
Surprisingly, my 70 degree swept handlebars were an actual blessing as they 
allowed me to keep my weight back while descending. 

Thank the gods for the SQ Labs 602 saddle—padded and ready for the chaos of 
rocky terrain. I shudder to think what it would have been like on one of my 
Brooks saddles. I was seated, navigating through a minefield of rocks, 
without a dropper post to save my undercarriage from abuse. 

I’ve ridden my fair share of 90s mountain bikes, and I’ll tell you this: 
the Gus is a more capable singletrack machine with its improved geometry. 
Today’s ride opened my eyes. The Gus is more than just a hillibike. It’s an 
all-rounder, ready for whatever madness the trail throws at you, so long as 
you’re keeping the rubber on the ground. 

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[RBW] Replacement tires for Soma Shikoro 42 x 622mm (700 x 42) cream sidewalls

[David Jones]

My Soma Shikoro tires need to be replaced.  I'm seeking recommendations 
from the hive.  The new tires will be paired with 700C Velocity NoBS 
wheels.  I ride mostly on pavement, but the tires need to be able to handle 
gravel, too.  Suggestions?

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Re: [RBW] Handlebar suggestion for long legs?

[David Ross]

I’d agree with this. I think the only reason more people don’t ride them is
based on looks. My daughter and fiancé won’t touch anything else.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 6:06 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> The Jones Loop H-Bar in 710mm are my favorite all-around handlebar. If I
> could only have one this would be it.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Aug 19, 2024, at 14:43, David Ross  wrote:
>
> 
>
> The Riv bars are really narrow in my opinion. Depending on your shoulders
> you can go a lot wider. Hope Cyclery sells some 787mm sweeps and you can
> have anything you want made at Doom. I have some Albatross inspired bars
> from them that are 707mm wide.
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 5:03 PM Dan  wrote:
>
>> So I have ordered my Appaloosa and am trying to get my parts in order. I
>> plan on making the purchase of the "you pick the fun stuff, we pick the
>> rest" to go along with the Appaloosa. My biggest conundrum is the
>> handlebars. I have 91.5 PBH and have concerns with kneeing my hands or the
>> handlebars. Originally I was thinking the Billie bar because I like the
>> option of gripping next to the stem but looking at whatbars.com,
>> comparing to other riv handlebars, they seem to sweep back a bit more than
>> others. I have never used swept back bars before and have no option to view
>> these bars in person so here I am yet again looking for some insights!
>> Basically, I'd like a bar that comes back to a comfortable position without
>> me having to lean too far forward and allows me to get a tight grip when I
>> want to. Just dont want to get a setup that causes me to get too close to
>> the handlebars is all. I plan on going with thumb shifters if that helps to
>> know.
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Re: [RBW] Handlebar suggestion for long legs?

[David Ross]

The Riv bars are really narrow in my opinion. Depending on your shoulders
you can go a lot wider. Hope Cyclery sells some 787mm sweeps and you can
have anything you want made at Doom. I have some Albatross inspired bars
from them that are 707mm wide.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 5:03 PM Dan  wrote:

> So I have ordered my Appaloosa and am trying to get my parts in order. I
> plan on making the purchase of the "you pick the fun stuff, we pick the
> rest" to go along with the Appaloosa. My biggest conundrum is the
> handlebars. I have 91.5 PBH and have concerns with kneeing my hands or the
> handlebars. Originally I was thinking the Billie bar because I like the
> option of gripping next to the stem but looking at whatbars.com,
> comparing to other riv handlebars, they seem to sweep back a bit more than
> others. I have never used swept back bars before and have no option to view
> these bars in person so here I am yet again looking for some insights!
> Basically, I'd like a bar that comes back to a comfortable position without
> me having to lean too far forward and allows me to get a tight grip when I
> want to. Just dont want to get a setup that causes me to get too close to
> the handlebars is all. I plan on going with thumb shifters if that helps to
> know.
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr vs Polyvalent Lowkicker?

[David Ross]

Personally, I prefer the Clem, if for no other reason that it has zero toe 
overlap. I'll never again own a bike that has toe overlap. The geometry of 
these bikes is fairly different and the Clem has way more stack and reach. 
I've got a Gus myself and it's like nothing I've ever owned and I've owned 
a lot of bikes. Between the relaxed front end and the super long chain 
stays, it's like riding on a magic carpet. 

On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 9:25:38 PM UTC-4 paulje...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2024-08-18 at 5.41.07 PM.png]Hello-
>
> I'm considering getting a step-thru bike for my partner. She's pregnant 
> and her normal touring bike is feeling less and less comfortable. We're 
> looking at the size 64 Clem Smith Jr or the XL Velo Orange Polyvalent 
> Lowkicker. She's 6'3 with 97 PBH.
>
> I was wondering if anyone here might be able to say how the ride quality 
> might be different on the two bikes? Or if there are reasons I should 
> consider one over the other?
>
> We mostly ride on pavement on country roads and the occasional dirt/gravel 
> road. The Clem looks longer which I imagine would make it more stable? I 
> imagine this might be nice if we eventually put a baby seat on the back. 
>
> The Polyvalent Lowkicker uses 650b wheels and I'm a little concerned with 
> toe overlap as it looks like a shorter wheelbase. I know the Polyvalent 
> uses more modern standards like thru axles and disc brakes for better or 
> worse. I like that the Polyvalent is a bit more affordable but the 
> Rivendell seems like more of a classic. I'd be grateful for any suggestions.
>
> Thanks!
> Paul
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross bars

[David Ross]

Depending on what you want to spend, I had a Doom Bars build me a custom 
set of Titanium bars that are basically mega-Albatross with a 707mm width. 
They also make steel and will build them to any shape you desire. I love 
the Albatross, but they're just a bit too narrow for me. As an aside, I've 
also had luck with the Crust Orthos as well as the Magic Components Moth 
Bars. 

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[RBW] Re: Triple cranks for 9-speed build: advise me

[David Ross]

I'm running vintage Ritchey's on my Gus and they work just fine. I just 
sold a vintage Deore triple on Ebay for $10.50 from a Covid build that I 
ended up not doing. They were absolutely perfect with just a little 
cosmetic wear. It's hard to beat a decent vintage square taper so long as 
the tapers are still in good shape. The only reason I'd probably buy a new 
crank for a Riv build is if I wanted crank arms shorter than 170mm. 

On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 3:26:38 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Silver is a little too spendy for me"
>
> Silver arms only retail for $190.  What do you want to pay for Silvers? 
>  I've got two sets of 173mm arms only that I could conceivably let go. If 
> you want used Silvers for less than those $50 Dimensions that Garth was 
> promoting, then I'd keep mine.  :). 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-7 smer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am putting together an Atlantis for touring/long rides/light trail use.
>>
>> I am thinking of using a new Velo Orange fluted triple or perhaps picking 
>> up a used Shimano XTR M900. 
>>
>> Silver is a little too spendy for me, and I given that am built like a 
>> tank and ride accordingly, think the Clipper/New Albion triples might not 
>> be hardy enough.
>>
>> I figured if anyone would have an informed opinion on this crucial 
>> matter, it would be this bunch. What would you do?
>>
>> smm
>>
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[RBW] Derailleur Hanger Alignment

[David Ross]

How frequent is it to get a new Riv frame that requires a hanger 
adjustment? I built up a Gus and I've been having issues in the largest cog 
with chain-to-tire rub below the chainstay. The hanger is quite a bit 
beefier than most of my other bikes so I'm hoping realignment won't be much 
of an issue. Thanks.  

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Re: [RBW] Nine is fine! 1x9 drivetrains in 2024. Who else is doing it?

[David Ross]

I’m using Box 9 on my Crust Evasion and it’s been the most bulletproof
drivetrain I’ve ever owned. I’m running it indexed but I’m thinking of
installing one on my Gus with friction.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 3:04 PM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it was Bike Snob NYC who said that a lot of the fun of riding a
> Rivendell is combining components that aren't meant to go together and
> seeing if they work. On my Rivendell I have a 1x9 drivetrain. I use a SRAM
> GX 10 speed clutch derailleur, Silver 1 shifter on a thumbie, a narrow-wide
> Wolftooth chainring, a 9 speed Connex chain, and a 34 toothed 9 speed
> cassette. It all works great.
>
> I was wondering what other 1x9 drivetrains people here are using, and if
> anyone has experience with any new 1x9 systems. Microshift, Shimano CUES,
> and Box components are all new options within the last few years. I'm also
> considering a SRAM GX Eagle crankset on my bike. Has anyone tried this with
> a 1x9?
>
> I am also interested in any high-end 9 speed cassettes (like SRAM's PG990,
> with an aluminum spider). Anyone holding a NOS one? SRAM has 10 speed
> cassettes that are very high end still available, and I might switch to one
> of those because of availability.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Rivendell Atlantis Frame/Fork, 59cm, 2022 MIT: $1100 + shipping

[David Mierzwik]

Atlantis frame is sold.  Thanks everyone for your interest.

David

On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 9:30 AM David Mierzwik 
wrote:

> 2022 Atlantis frame/fork.  Around 2,000 miles.  59cm with second/rainbow
> top tub.
> Asking $1100 + shipping.  I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, so can
> avoid shipping cost if it's a local purchase.
>
> Frame only has a few nicks and scratches, which I try to show in the
> pictures below (pdf document)
>
> Note: the pictures show the bike built up, but I'm only selling the
> frame/fork.
>
> Thanks,
> David
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help me lighten up Sam

[David Hays]

Just some fast ideas. I'm about 145 lbs and don't tour so if carrying 
capacity is a factor things would be different.
It's actually a lot of work to save about a pound. I explored some light 
saddle options but chose a Brooks anyway. I am running the light version of 
GB or Compass tires and tubes on all my bikes and have not been overwhelmed 
by flats. Round through soon detritus alongside the road this morning on my 
GB Ecureil 650Bx38 tires that weigh 240g. No problem.
The Sugino XD-2 weights about 680g and my XCD 486g. The Nitto S83 seat post 
weighs 280g and my American Classic weighs 165g.
The IRD QB-95 BB weighs 210g in the 110mm length. My Omni Racer Square 
Taper Titanium weighs 159g.
The Blackburn SS cages weigh 41g. The King Cage Titanium weighs 34.1 with 
screws.
The Shimano Ultegra 6700 12-30 cassette weighs 275g. My B Dop 11-27 
cassette weighs 100g.
Cheers.
David
.



On Sunday, July 28, 2024 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Bob — Here are my two shillings. I think your bike is set up very 
> nicely with some carefully selected parts from heritage manufacturers. 
> Everything's practical. With fenders, racks and dynamo your bike is quite 
> versatile and has a timeless appeal. Capable bikes are often, by their 
> nature, on the heavier side. 
>
> Rather than making any changes, swaps or other modifications I'd suggest 
> simply this: go on more overnight trips. 
>
> Get your system dialed in as far as packing and what you absolutely need 
> to bring. Weigh every item and get a tally of how much you're actually 
> hauling and refine from there. The weight data will be helpful. The more 
> you go, the more accustomed and conditioned you will become to carrying all 
> your stuff. If you have time for another overnighter or two before your 
> pending 5-day tour it would be a good opportunity to further refine your 
> rig. 
>
> The only change I would encourage, as Bernard suggests above, is to 
> consider lower gearing. I could have missed it but what size are the rings 
> you have on your double? 
>
> It kind of looks like you have an outer ring in the high 40s and a middle 
> ring in the low 30s. You might do better with low 40s / high 20s combo. I 
> personally do not care for triples or one-by systems. Sub compact doubles 
> all the way! Just my personal preference. The double combinations that Riv 
> offers are some good jumping off points for possible combinations (I'm not 
> suggesting you need to buy a new crankset): 38x24, 42x28. With the XD2 
> cranks you should have no trouble finding substitute chainrings at very 
> nice prices. I run a 42x26 on my Hillborne and a 38x24 on my Appaloosa. 
>
> I also don't see any specifications on your cassette, what's the range 
> there? You might consider a cassette with a larger max cog like a 34t or 
> 36t. 
>
> Let us know how things shake out, enjoy your pending tour and cheers to 
> you on a nice looking Hillborne. 
>
> Eric
> On Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 6:44:27 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree this summer  I ran a low-low compact double 42-26
>>
>> & 11-34 cassette  650b wheels 165 crankarm that’s 19 gear inches. 
>>
>> Even overloaded I walked no hills .
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'aeroperf' via RBW Owners Bunch  
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2024 4:31 PM
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Help me lighten up Sam
>>
>>  
>>
>> Having toured extensively both with expedition loads and credit-card tour 
>> loads, I’ll add one thing that Steve touched on up above.
>>
>>
>>
>> It may add weight, but go for a touring gear set up.  3x9.
>> Something like a 46-36-26 for credit card tours and 44-32-22 for 
>> expedition tours, with an 11-34 cassette.
>> You want a low-low gear of about 20 gear inches.
>> I used to blame the weight, or my legs, but correct gearing made a big 
>> difference.
>>
>> The Erie Canal Bike Trail is a nice ride.  Enjoy!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis, 59cm, MIT with Rainbow Bar, Complete, $2800

[David Mierzwik]

Frame is sold.  Thanks everyone for your interest.

David

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 11:54 AM David Mierzwik 
wrote:

> I'm parting out the Atlantis, so now just selling the frame and fork:
> $1,100 + shipping
>
> Rivendell Atlantis, 59”, MIT, purchased in June 2022, approx. 2,000 miles
>
> Includes FSA headset.
>
> Pictures below show the frame as built up, but $1,100 is for the frame,
> fork and headset only.  Including all the significant marks/scratches that
> I can find on frame.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 5:04 PM David Mierzwik 
> wrote:
>
>> Reducing this to $2,400 since it seems more in line with other complete
>> pricing.  Also, it's 59cm, not 59".  I'm guessing no one was confused by
>> this, but just for clarification.
>> Thanks, David
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 6:36:14 PM UTC-7 David Mierzwik wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell Atlantis, 59”, MIT, purchased in June 2022
>>>
>>> Price: $2,800
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-atlantis-59cm-2022/7764740783.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Atlantis has around 2,000 miles on it.  Frame is in very good
>>> conditions, aside from a few minor nicks, which I’ve tried to capture in
>>> the pictures below.
>>>
>>> Price includes the SON28 Dynamo front hub, but not the lights and the
>>> light wiring.
>>>
>>> Here are the build details:
>>>
>>> Atlantis MIT Frame, 59”
>>>
>>> Velocity Cliffhanger wheels (hand built) with SON28 dynamo front hub,
>>> Rivendell Silver rear hub
>>>
>>> Rene Herse Antelope Hill tires, 700c x 55mm, currently running tubeless
>>>
>>> XT 2 x 11 cranks, 28-38
>>>
>>> XT Cassette, 11-46
>>>
>>> XT front and rear derailleurs
>>>
>>> XT Rapid Fire shifters
>>>
>>> XTR bottom bracket
>>>
>>> DuraAce chain
>>>
>>> DXR linear pull brakes and levers
>>>
>>> Nitto Tallux stem, 100mm
>>>
>>> Rivendell Bosco Bars with ESI silicone grips
>>>
>>> Berthoud Aubisque Leather Saddle
>>>
>>> MKS Monarch pedals
>>>
>>> Let me know if you’re interested or have any questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks, David
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[David Ross]

I used to be fairly opposed to them until I figured out that almost
everyone I know who rides them is just using them to be able to do things
that they otherwise couldn’t do. I’m 51 now and I can see a future in which
I can extend my cycling by another decade with the help of an e bike. I’m
considering buying one for my fiancé because she’s about 2/3 as fast as I
am and can cover around 2/3 or so of the distances I like to ride. Both of
us think it would be really cool if she could do my rides at my pace
because she really does enjoy getting out there.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 7:53 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205
> miles in either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a
> number of riders on electric bikes.
>
> I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of
> electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody
> would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes
> on a “cycling” event struck us as a little strange.
>
> What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little
> skeptical about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same
> event, but that’s probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I
> usually ride, which are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would
> definitely not allow any kind of powered bike.
>
> What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like
> RAGBRAI, STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or
> should they have their own events?
>
> Interested to hear what the group thinks.
>
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[David Ross]

I am running non tubeless compatible wheels on my Gus. I thought it would
be ok but with the type of riding I do, tubes are a real liability. I’m
going to have a set of Velocity wheels built up so I no longer get
punctures from the thorns we have up here in the northeast.


On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:52 PM Jay  wrote:

> When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on hand
> already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the back of
> your mind you've already identified a replacement.
>
> I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted for
> eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be
> replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or
> comfortable choices?
>
> On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat
> post, bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires);
> the cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and cassette
> are fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs are
> on my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like silver,
> partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low
> end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with
> 30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would also
> change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis, 59cm, MIT with Rainbow Bar, Complete, $2800

[David Mierzwik]

Reducing this to $2,400 since it seems more in line with other complete 
pricing.  Also, it's 59cm, not 59".  I'm guessing no one was confused by 
this, but just for clarification.
Thanks, David

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 6:36:14 PM UTC-7 David Mierzwik wrote:

> Rivendell Atlantis, 59”, MIT, purchased in June 2022
>
> Price: $2,800
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-atlantis-59cm-2022/7764740783.html
>  
>
> Atlantis has around 2,000 miles on it.  Frame is in very good conditions, 
> aside from a few minor nicks, which I’ve tried to capture in the pictures 
> below.
>
> Price includes the SON28 Dynamo front hub, but not the lights and the 
> light wiring.
>
> Here are the build details:
>
> Atlantis MIT Frame, 59”
>
> Velocity Cliffhanger wheels (hand built) with SON28 dynamo front hub, 
> Rivendell Silver rear hub
>
> Rene Herse Antelope Hill tires, 700c x 55mm, currently running tubeless
>
> XT 2 x 11 cranks, 28-38
>
> XT Cassette, 11-46
>
> XT front and rear derailleurs
>
> XT Rapid Fire shifters
>
> XTR bottom bracket
>
> DuraAce chain
>
> DXR linear pull brakes and levers
>
> Nitto Tallux stem, 100mm
>
> Rivendell Bosco Bars with ESI silicone grips
>
> Berthoud Aubisque Leather Saddle
>
> MKS Monarch pedals
>
> Let me know if you’re interested or have any questions.
>
> Thanks, David
>

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[RBW] FS: Atlantis, 59cm, MIT with Rainbow Bar, Complete, $2800

[David Mierzwik]

Rivendell Atlantis, 59”, MIT, purchased in June 2022

Price: $2,800

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-atlantis-59cm-2022/7764740783.html
 

Atlantis has around 2,000 miles on it.  Frame is in very good conditions, 
aside from a few minor nicks, which I’ve tried to capture in the pictures 
below.

Price includes the SON28 Dynamo front hub, but not the lights and the light 
wiring.

Here are the build details:

Atlantis MIT Frame, 59”

Velocity Cliffhanger wheels (hand built) with SON28 dynamo front hub, 
Rivendell Silver rear hub

Rene Herse Antelope Hill tires, 700c x 55mm, currently running tubeless

XT 2 x 11 cranks, 28-38

XT Cassette, 11-46

XT front and rear derailleurs

XT Rapid Fire shifters

XTR bottom bracket

DuraAce chain

DXR linear pull brakes and levers

Nitto Tallux stem, 100mm

Rivendell Bosco Bars with ESI silicone grips

Berthoud Aubisque Leather Saddle

MKS Monarch pedals

Let me know if you’re interested or have any questions.

Thanks, David

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[David Ross]

Mine feels like a gigantic rigid XC bike. I get fairly rowdy on it but my
tires never leave the ground.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 2:30 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Having just finished a fairly raucous singletrack session on my Gus I like
> how Riv’s concept of “mountain bike” has evolved.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2024, at 11:57 AM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2024, at 10:54 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
> 26” wheels will have a longer head tube, plus I think the Riv mtb frame
> did have a bit of top tube slope.
>
>
> The top tube slope on mine (18” C-T) was 7 degrees.
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI 53217
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[RBW] chain rub

[David Ross]

I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain 
rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears the 
tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11 
cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is 
rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated. 

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[David Blessing]

Tried to send multiple pictures, but they were rejected by Google groups. Sorry 
about that.

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 10:23 PM, Danny  wrote:
> 
> Very cool! I know it's sold, but can we get some more photos of it in this 
> thread before it's shipped off?
> 
> Danny
> Madison, WI
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 9:58 PM Ryan  <mailto:ryter...@mts.net>> wrote:
>> That is a piece of history all right. This might be a moot point since the 
>> bike has been sold, not surprising...but I seem to remember in the depths of 
>> Rivendell lore, either in  a reader,  maybe in a  response to a question 
>> someone asked that Waterford assigned the letters of the alphabet 
>> sequentially to indicate the month of production A=Jan, B= Febso 
>> K=November and then followed it with year of production
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 8:30:10 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>>> This bicycle has been sold.  Thanks for viewing and being so kind.  
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>>>> I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not 
>>>> know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only 
>>>> a few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned 
>>>> this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one. 
>>>>  I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at 
>>>> suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995. 
>>>> I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before 
>>>> hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet, 
>>>> both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it 
>>>> is time to clean out the stable.
>>>> 
>>>> This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat 
>>>> tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think 
>>>> it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 
>>>> inch Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, 
>>>> and Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto 
>>>> Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro 
>>>> cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the 
>>>> bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not 
>>>> included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the 
>>>> seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple, 
>>>> 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but 
>>>> not new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  
>>>> Some can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  
>>>> I have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage. 
>>>> 
>>>> This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in 
>>>> Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to 
>>>> subtract $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home 
>>>> or near my home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.
>>>> 
>>>> Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.  
>>>> 
>>>> Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further 
>>>> pictures of your choosing.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[David Blessing]

I will do my best. It gets a bit boxed up, today at the bike shop. What pictures are you wanting?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 10:23 PM, Danny  wrote:Very cool! I know it's sold, but can we get some more photos of it in this thread before it's shipped off?DannyMadison, WIOn Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 9:58 PM Ryan <ryter...@mts.net> wrote:That is a piece of history all right. This might be a moot point since the bike has been sold, not surprising...but I seem to remember in the depths of Rivendell lore, either in  a reader,  maybe in a  response to a question someone asked that Waterford assigned the letters of the alphabet sequentially to indicate the month of production A=Jan, B= Febso K=November and then followed it with year of productionOn Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 8:30:10 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:This bicycle has been sold.  Thanks for viewing and being so kind.  On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only a few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one.  I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995. I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet, both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it is time to clean out the stable.

This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 inch Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, and Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple, 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but not new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  Some can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  I have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage. 

This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to subtract $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home or near my home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.

Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.  

Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further pictures of your choosing.



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[David Blessing]

This bicycle has been sold.  Thanks for viewing and being so kind.  

On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:

> I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not 
> know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only a 
> few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned 
> this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one.  
> I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at 
> suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995. 
> I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before 
> hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet, 
> both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it 
> is time to clean out the stable.
>
>
> This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat 
> tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think 
> it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 inch 
> Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, and 
> Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto 
> Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro 
> cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the 
> bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not 
> included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the 
> seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple, 
> 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but not 
> new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  Some 
> can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  I 
> have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage. 
>
>
> This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in 
> Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to subtract 
> $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home or near my 
> home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.
>
>
> Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.  
>
>
> Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further 
> pictures of your choosing.[image: IMG_2403.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[David Ross]

They work very well. They’re not quite as beautiful as a silver shifter or
dura ace, but they shift incredibly well. I have a pair on a vintage
Stumpjumper that I ride on fairly extreme off road rides and they have been
smooth, yet bulletproof.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 4:27 AM Roberta  wrote:

> Wow, seems like Microshift are very well liked. I’ll ask my bike shop
> about them and other options. I’m not against changing the shifter as long
> as they works well .
>
> I have an albatross handlebar.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 12:42:23 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Roberta
>>
>> With the information given so far, there is one big "gotcha".  What clamp
>> diameter do you need?  There are no fewer than five possibilities for what
>> you need, and Paul Thumbies only are made in two of those five sizes.  Can
>> you share a photo of your bike?
>>
>> The five possible sizes are:
>>
>> 22.2mm
>> 23.8mm
>> 25.4mm
>> 26.0mm
>> 31.8mm
>>
>> Do you have albatross bars?  Or drop bars?  Albastache?
>>
>> If you have Albatross bars, those take a 22.2mm clamp, and Paul Thumbies
>> can go "anywhere" along those bars.  Also, many of the complete shifters
>> folks have recommended would also fit because they all have 22.2mm clamps.
>> Drop bars and Albastache will want 23.8mm clamps which is trickier.  If you
>> want to clamp on the sleeve near the stem, you may need 25.4mm or 26.0mm,
>> which no longer are made in Paul Thumbies (but they used to be).  31.8mm is
>> the clamp diameter for modern drop bars on the bulge near the stem.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 4:04:46 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that
>>> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of
>>> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on
>>> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes,
>>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the
>>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie
>>> 
>>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent
>>> is
>>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters
>>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>>
>>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some
>>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know
>>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm
>>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[David Ross]

Yeah, the Paul thing is just the pod to which your mount the shifter. It
doesn’t include the actual shift mechanism. I swapped the pod on my Uno
shifter and it was easy but I had to modify it a bit to make it work. I
think you’re looking for a part that you can have mounted at a bike shop.
I’m unaware of a pod other than the Paul component pod. They make great
stuff if you can stomach the price. If not, I’d go with something like this:

https://www.microshift.com/us/models/sl-t09/

Can you post a photo of your shifters?

If you have the Rivendell silver shifters, Rivendell sells a bar mount
conversion

https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk


Send a pic and I’ll be able to give you a better idea.

Unless they’re Dura Ace thumb shifters, it’s probably not with spending
that much to mount them to the bars versus just replacing the whole
shifter.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:25 PM Roberta  wrote:

> Dross,
>
> Thanks for the speedie reply.
>
> 8 speed? 9?  Dunno.  I'm not looking to replace the shifters, just move
> them to a thumbie mount.  Do you think they meant replacing the shifters?
> This is the web page they sent me:
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/drivetrain/shifting/shimanothumbies/
> Would moving the shifters to a thumbie mount change their fantastic and
> smooth as butta' shifting?
>
> I'm sorta like Leah, bicycle bell ding ding...  I just like to get on and
> ride. I know to pump air in my tires and lube the chain.   I just know I
> don't like the placement of the current shifter.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 7:08:07 PM UTC-4 dros...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you
>> can get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno shifters
>> but I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There
>> isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction
>> shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that
>>> work fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of
>>> me knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on
>>> a wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes,
>>> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the
>>> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie
>>> 
>>> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent
>>> is
>>> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters
>>> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>>>
>>> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some
>>> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know
>>> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm
>>> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Want to move bar end shifter to mounts

[David Ross]

What speed are you running? The problem with the Paul mount is that you can
get a new shifter for less money. I have one of the blingy Uno shifters but
I also have two bikes with Microshift and it works just as well. There
isn’t too much you can do to engineer a significantly better friction
shifter which is one of the great things about friction shifters.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I have Shimano bar end shifters (friction) on my A Homer Hilsen that work
> fantastically, but I've never liked placement as bar ends, because of me
> knocking them out of gear with my knee, hand, ooops bike just leaned on a
> wall ...  So I asked my much loved and trusted bike shop, Keystone Bikes,
> for options and received this response:  "...The only drawback is that the
> part is pricy. The Paul Thumbie
> 
> is the tool for the job, but $127. The Velo Orange Equivalent
> is
> cheaper but unavailable.  Installation would be recabling the both shifters
> and setting the thumb mounts up."
>
> I'm not against paying the $$, but before I do, I wanted to get some
> opinions on this mount, setup, placement, suggestions,  things I don't know
> to ask about,  "gotchas."  I know Paul components are high quality and I'm
> at a point in my life that I want to do things right and do it just once.
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Roberta
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: parts

[David B]

Couple things sold. Updated list below.
Prices DO NOT include shipping. Local pickup in River Grove (just west of 
Chicago).
Payment via Venmo highly preferred. I’ve not been active on this list in a 
while, but I’ve been around, and I’m sure several list ‘seniors’ recognize 
my name. 

Photos on my IG page: https://www.instagram.com/treetopgoods/ (can also 
email if need be)

2. Brooks B17 Standard - black, broken in, beeswax balm treated, 
beveled/rounded/burnished the edges - $80

3. Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - lightly used, scratches on one lever, 
just levers (no cables/housing) - $15

4. Nitto Rear Cable Stop - model AS-2, for center pull/canti, the long 
version Riv sells, excellent used condition - $15

5. Nitto Tallux Stem - 12cm, 25.4mm clamp, used scratches on quill/top - $45

6. Velo Orange Grand Cru Rando Bars - 50cm, 26.0, mounted to test fit on 
bike, don’t recall using/taping these - $40

7. IRD Cafam Canti Brakes - original mid profile version, no mounting bolts 
or yokes, need new brake pad inserts, polished silver - $20
On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 12:42:46 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Been a while! Took a hiatus from riding as I dealt with a medical issue, 
> but getting back into it again. Did a parts swap on my Clem and have some 
> parts from that for sale. 
>
> Prices DO NOT include shipping. Local pickup in River Grove (just west of 
> Chicago).
> Payment via Venmo highly preferred. I’ve not been active on this list in a 
> while, but I’ve been around, and I’m sure several list ‘seniors’ recognize 
> my name. 
>
> Photos on my IG page: https://www.instagram.com/treetopgoods/ (can also 
> email if need be)
>
> 1. Pass and Stow 5 Rail Rack - mounted and used very briefly, tall leg 
> version. $230
>
> 2. Brooks B17 Standard - black, broken in, beeswax balm treated, 
> beveled/rounded/burnished the edges - $80
>
> 3. Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - lightly used, scratches on one 
> lever, just levers (no cables/housing) - $15
>
> 4. Nitto Rear Cable Stop - model AS-2, for center pull/canti, the long 
> version Riv sells, excellent used condition - $15
>
> 5. Nitto Tallux Stem - 12cm, 25.4mm clamp, used scratches on quill/top - 
> $45
>
> 6. Velo Orange Grand Cru Rando Bars - 50cm, 26.0, mounted to test fit on 
> bike, don’t recall using/taping these - $40
>
> 7. IRD Cafam Canti Brakes - original mid profile version, no mounting 
> bolts or yokes, need new brake pad inserts, polished silver - $20
>
> 8. Salsa Chainring - 42t 130bcd, polished silver - used - $10
>

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[RBW] FS: parts

[David B]

Been a while! Took a hiatus from riding as I dealt with a medical issue, 
but getting back into it again. Did a parts swap on my Clem and have some 
parts from that for sale. 

Prices DO NOT include shipping. Local pickup in River Grove (just west of 
Chicago).
Payment via Venmo highly preferred. I’ve not been active on this list in a 
while, but I’ve been around, and I’m sure several list ‘seniors’ recognize 
my name. 

Photos on my IG page: https://www.instagram.com/treetopgoods/ (can also 
email if need be)

1. Pass and Stow 5 Rail Rack - mounted and used very briefly, tall leg 
version. $230

2. Brooks B17 Standard - black, broken in, beeswax balm treated, 
beveled/rounded/burnished the edges - $80

3. Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers - lightly used, scratches on one lever, 
just levers (no cables/housing) - $15

4. Nitto Rear Cable Stop - model AS-2, for center pull/canti, the long 
version Riv sells, excellent used condition - $15

5. Nitto Tallux Stem - 12cm, 25.4mm clamp, used scratches on quill/top - $45

6. Velo Orange Grand Cru Rando Bars - 50cm, 26.0, mounted to test fit on 
bike, don’t recall using/taping these - $40

7. IRD Cafam Canti Brakes - original mid profile version, no mounting bolts 
or yokes, need new brake pad inserts, polished silver - $20

8. Salsa Chainring - 42t 130bcd, polished silver - used - $10

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Re: [RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[David Ross]

I grew up riding motorcycles and I think it’s the reason I always wear a
helmet on my bicycle. I feel naked without one. I remember being in college
in the 90s and I was the only person on campus who wore a helmet.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 10:03 PM Eric Floden  wrote:

>
>> I spent a number of years in the motorcycle safety world and saw enough
>> to convince  me a helmet is a great idea for many activities. (Escpecially
>> motorcycling.)
>
>
> But I want to add that this article on survivorship bias is a good one to
> consider:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paint Color matters! Your favorite?

[David Ross]

Orange. I've never owned an orange bike but I've always wanted one. I'd 
have to say that the Gus in orange is one of my favorite bikes of all time. 

On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 1:20:04 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> So many nice colors here. The sage green on my 2014 Sam will always be one 
> of my favorites. Shown here in commuter mode.
> Versatile and goes well with accent colors.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> [image: SamH 1.jpg]
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:39:59 AM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Custom Pewter Rambouillet painted by Rick at D&D. I had imagined a 
>> slightly lighter almost silver in my head but the color turned out amazing. 
>> A beautiful metallic shimmer appears when the bike is in direct sunlight!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 9:21 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-5 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Rivendell should revisit this wonderful paint color for some of their 
>>> models.  This is the fork from a 2000 Heron Road bike that I’m building.  
>>> The blue/green metallic is fantastic in the sun.  
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I'm biased, but that is certainly one of my favorite colors ever. 
>>> I was stoked when Roger gave me the sample tube with that color on it. Even 
>>> in the fluorescent lights of their shop I could tell it was a winner.
>>>
>>> That said, the color of the Heron prototype, "soap green", which is 
>>> suspiciously like celeste, has a warm place in my heart. That frame is in 
>>> the hands of Now You're Finished for a full spa treatment, and Adam will be 
>>> matching the color.
>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-11 at 9.16.21 AM.png] 
>>>
>>> But I think my all-time favorite so far is Waterford's Copper Metallic, 
>>> or as I like to call it, Root Beer with a Creamy Head:
>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-06-11 at 9.18.07 AM.png]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Hats (Riv, Topo)

[David Baldi]

Riv hats sold, Topo still available. 

Thanks,
David

On Thursday, June 6, 2024 at 7:35:10 PM UTC-4 David Baldi wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Three hats for sale:
> Work Hard Be Nice: $35
> Red and blue RBW short bill: $35
> Topo Global: $20
> All together: $80
>
> prices as shipped![image: IMG_2829.jpg]
>
> : )
> David
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Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[David Ross]

I’d build it yourself if you are mechanically inclined. It’s not that hard,
especially these days with YouTube videos. Rivs are dead simple and don’t
have proprietary parts or hydraulic disk brakes. I built my first bike in
college using a book I picked up and I found it easy, but I too was already
mechanically inclined from building RC cars and working on motorcycles. I
wouldn’t start with wheel building, but the rest of it is a piece of cake.
Buy a decent torque wrench and a Bottom bracket and cassette tool, some
cable cutters. The rest of the stuff you can make like a chain whip and a
headset press. It’s all on YouTube and is simple if you know how to use
tools. The good thing about buying all these tools is that you need most of
them to properly maintain the bike so it’s a good investment.



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> Hi all,
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically
> inclined.
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been
> wiser to just order it complete?
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Cockpit swap on my Sam

[David Ross]

When I ride sweeps I need a different grip than I do with regular flat bars
or I get terrible pain in the heel of my hand. The grips that work for my
are the Bontrager ergonomic mtb grips or something like the really far
Jones bar grips. I think you’ll be fine if you have something that’s a
little bit fatter than regular mtb style grips. Of course, it also depends
a lot on bar height. As your bar height increases, the pressure on the
hands goes down quite a bit.

On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 7:45 AM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Once again I am considering a cockpit change for my Sam Hillborne. This
> time I am going to upright Billie bars. For simplicity and cost savings I'm
> keeping the current bar end shifters. I'm currently pondering grips. I love
> the way cork grips look but find them to be too slippery. I've been happy
> with Oury grips. I like the way they feel but I don't think they look as
> good when you cut off the end to accommodate  bar ends shifters. I've seen
> the felt and twine DIY grips that Riv promotes but I don't think I have the
> artistic ability and patience to recreate it.
>
> What am I missing? What grips are out there that look good, feel good and
> work with bar ends?
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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[David Hays]

I would buy those hubs.

David Hays
Buffalo, New York

> On May 27, 2024, at 10:13 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
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> The header immediately made me think of "Music With Her Silver Sound;" 
> https://www.discogs.com/master/1425787-English-Consort-Of-Viols-Martyn-Hill-Anthony-Rooley-Music-With-Her-Silver-Sound-Works-By-Bull-Byrd-C
> 
> The founder of the ensemble was Marco Pallis, author of Peaks and Lamas. 
> Remarkable man: https://www.discogs.com/artist/3344162-Marco-Pallis
> 
> Maybe Rivendell could tune the sound of their hubs to the music of John 
> Dowland.
> 
> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 6:03 AM Brian Turner  <mailto:brokeb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I can’t seem to find the link, but a few years ago, Will posted a video of 
>> the sound of a Silver hub.
>> 
>> I’d say the description of being slightly louder than a Deore XT hub is 
>> accurate. But, nowhere near as loud as a White hub, that’s for sure.
>> 
>> - Brian 
>> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[David Ross]

I watched this and thought it made some really valid points. I think the
number one issue is that many riders are aspirational riders and this sort
of drives the industry. I was certainly guilty of this as a younger person.
I’d like to think that I require 200mm of full suspension and 200mm disk
brakes, but I don’t. At my age I’m now cool just riding bikes that address
my actual needs.

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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8&t=3348s
> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell
> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling
> and appreciate his thoughts.
> Randy in WI
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Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[David I. Ban]

This vibes and views look incredible!  As an east-coaster, this terrain is 
the stuff dreams are made of.

Anyone willing to share a RWGPS link for either the double or triple scoop 
routes?  I found some from '23 but not sure if it's been improved 
meaningfully since. 

Cheers
David

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 9:05:31 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

This looks like it was a great event. Thanks for all the pictures and 
reports. 

Armand, that picture above the clouds is unreal!

On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 10:14:58 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

48s? Try 38s!

[image: image0.jpeg]

The ride, route and vibes really were all fantastic. 

The final 10mile descent to the 39 was out of this world.

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On May 21, 2024, at 6:55 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:

The ride was fantastic. I had an engagement in the evening so I ended up 
doing the double scoop. Getting above the marine layer was surreal! See the 
pic below at the top of mt. disappointment. Was really great to see so many 
people come out on the ride, with a solid handful of Riv's on the ride too! 
Great to see you Neal, props for doing the full route. 


Put some knobbies on the Platy and really enjoying riding it. Pushed the 
limits of spirited riding on dirt on the descent with it, challenging to 
keep enough weight on the front end for traction up front in the corners 
but it was very smooth and predictable for a rigid bike on 48's. Will 
definitely be dropping down my 28t chainring to a 26t I have in the parts 
bin (11-34 cassette). 

I've got a campsite at Parson's Landing on Catalina June 18-19 if anyone 
wants to get in on it. 

On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 9:30:36 AM UTC-7 Neale S. wrote:

Ted - it was the Rincon Red Box road the entire way. Puts you out on 39 a 
little above the reservoir. My first time doing anything in that area. It 
was tough but none of the grade or surfaces were unreasonable - just long 
and a lot of climbing. 

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 5:44:39 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

On May 19, 2024, at 7:29 PM, Neale S.  wrote:


I had a blast! Did the triple scoop and it was a beast, took me all day. 
The aid station at the top of the single scoop was a mountaintop party. I 
saw Armand and a few other Riv riders. Lots of other cool bikes, and plenty 
of good vibes. 


Wow, I had no idea there were trails connecting Mt Wilson and Glendora. 
That looks like an amazing (ly difficult) ride!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

[David Hays]

Thanks. I searched through my old email and found I purchased it new in 2013 as 
a frame set. I’m not sure if it was a leftover at a dealer in Virginia.
I believe it was made in Taiwan. I prefer the classic look of a level top tube.

David 

> On May 22, 2024, at 1:51 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> Beautiful Bike. What year? 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 11:43:22 AM UTC-4 David Hays wrote:
>> My A Homer Hilsen on a ride today at Dann Lake.
>> 
>> 
>> David Hays
>> Buffalo, New York
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 9, 2024, at 8:00 PM, Paul Richardson > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> best bike in the world!!!  the longer i ride it, the deeper my conviction.  
>>> yours is lookin' great tim--so glad you joined the homer club!
>>> 
>>> and as long as we're on the subject, i've been poring over the 2008 catalog 
>>> that's currently available on the site for $1 (!) and would just like to 
>>> shout into the void that i would love to get my hands on one of these homer 
>>> caps.  or heck maybe enough of us aficionados could pool resources and do a 
>>> small custom run of the same design!  
>>> 
>>> best bike in the world!!!
>>> 
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Cameras On Bikes

[David Hays]

Beautiful Leica 1A. Love the beausage.

> On May 15, 2024, at 2:59 AM, Keith P.  wrote:
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> <640x962x2.jpeg>
> 
> Eric Norris (cont.) - Lomo LCA120
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Leica IA
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 11:58:09 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>> 
>> Eric Norris - Yashica T4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Olympus XA4 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[David Ross]

I’m a similar rider in terms of age and issues. I just sold my last drop
bar bike and the bars were very neutral and slightly above the saddle. I
absolutely loved that bike but I just can’t ride drops at this point. All
of my bikes now have swept bars and it makes a huge difference. I’m riding
deep sweeps on all my bikes at this point with the bars anywhere from 1-3
inches above the saddle. The reason this works well for me is that I’m able
to move my hands up and down the bars depending on terrain and also move my
hands to stretch my back and prevent pain.

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:58 AM Jason Noonievut 
wrote:

> Thanks for the responses!  Keep’em coming
>
> Tim had some good questions, I’ve tried to answer these below:
>
> “…off the bike?”
> - I have a desk job but I use a sit / stand desk.  Years ago when I got
> this, it was a revelation, and really helped a much worse than now, neck;
> however, I notice my legs get tired when I’m standing, and again, if I go
> for a ride after work, and I’ve been sitting/standing 50-50, my tired legs,
> I believe contribute to feeling sluggish on the bike, and perhaps a poor
> posture as I have limited power
> - I walk a lot, stretch, and practice good posture off the bike
>
>
> I thought I would add that I visit my chiropractor for an adjustment every
> three weeks. The days shortly after, I am more comfortable on the bike.
> For example, two days after my last adjustment I did a road ride with my
> friend, 85km with wind and even snow, I felt great. A few days ago I did a
> 60km ride with my friend on a perfect day with very little wind, and was
> really sore.  I have a chiro appointment tonight.  As I get close to the
> end of that three weeks, I can feel more pain and thus attribute what’s
> happening to the spine in the three weeks in between adjustments.  This is
> the closest I have to a good diagnosis!
>
> Jason
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 7:50 AM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> There is a lot to unpack here but I think I get the basic gist of what you
> are asking. For reference I ride a drop bar AHH, a drop bar Sam and a
> Billie bar'd Platy. I'm an older rider and I too suffer some aches and
> pains while riding. Nothing debilitating but it is noticeable. Sometimes
> more than others. Like you I experience some aches in my C spine between
> the shoulder blades. This is from holding my head in a position to see the
> road in front of me. I am also seated at a computer most of the day while
> working which can be harmful to your posture if you aren't vigilant.
>
>  I am not so certain your pain is related to not maintaining a good
> posture on the bike while riding. I'm not a medical professional and I
> don't think you would come here for medical advice. At least I hope not
> LOL!
>
> I would want to know what you are doing off the bike. You didn't say what
> you did for work but if are spending your days sitting at a desk and then
> you hop on your bike to go ride. Your body is in a hunched position all day
> long and then you are in the same position while you pedal. If that were
> the case I could see how some aches and pains could crop up.
>
> Riding an upright style bike on days where you aren't feeling it may help
> but I'd be more inclined to shorten your ride or not ride at all. Also pay
> attention to your posture off the bike. Having awareness of your posture
> during your day to day life will be more beneficial then only making those
> adjustments while riding.
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 12:56:14 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Jay,
>>
>> I have been a roadie for 53 years. I retired my road bike sixteen years
>> ago. I was growing old. I became tired of riding in the drops. I wanted to
>> ride upright. My posture in my neck and shoulders were hunched over.
>>
>> Over the many years, it became a struggle with me trying to find a
>> bicycle that I could fall in love with again. I went through about four
>> different bicycles.
>>
>> In the fall of 2022, I purchased my first Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L"
>> bicycle. It was a 59cm. Over the course of a little over a year, I
>> concluded that the 59cm size was not working for me. It was too large. I
>> sold it. I found and bought a 52cm Clem as a "Demo" at RBW headquarters
>> last November.
>>
>> Since then, I have adapted very well in riding the 52cm Clem. It fits me
>> a lot better than the 59cm. I am very happy with it. I have the Nitto Bosco
>> 58cm handlebars. These bars I really love for an upright riding position. I
>> have zero weight bearing down on them. All my weight is on the seat and
>> back tire. When I come home from my rides, I feel my posture is a lot
>> straighter, than before.
>>
>> I ride mostly pavement on the nearby trails near where I live.
>> Occasionally, I will go off road, when the feeling for adventure strikes me.
>>
>> The only problem I have is a personal issue in discomfort with the loss
>> of subcutaneous fat on my bum riding my saddle at 69 years old. I am
>> nearin

[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[David B]

Thank you for the responses, everyone. I'm leaning towards getting a size 
60 based on all of the feedback. I do envision running the Hillborne mostly 
with flat or swept bars, and so it makes sense to prioritize that with the 
sizing.

Andrew, your observation comparing the stack and reach of the two sizes is 
really helpful. I'm thinking the added reach/effective top tube length is 
small enough that I could compensate for it with a shorter stem length.

Really appreciate all of your help. Would still love to test ride a 57 or 
60 if anyone in the East Bay has one.

David
Berkeley, CA
On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:52:17 PM UTC-7 awen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Bike Insights can compare these two sizes side-by-side for you: 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=638a1581423463001c996235,638a1581423463001c996236
> ,
>
> The 60cm Sam is 30mm taller in stack than the 57, but only 5mm longer in 
> reach. If you had to raise the saddle and bars by a lot on the 57, then 
> maybe the 60 would work better for you.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andrew
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[David B]

Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
below my saddle.

I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.

I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
Homers with different cockpit setups. 

   - The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
   and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
   get the saddle in a good position.
   - The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
   comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
   was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
   - The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched out. 
   The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the bike 
   belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
   adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
   lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.

I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second guessing 
whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top tube 
length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, which 
is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 

Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
some other beverage as a thank you!

David
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[David Hays]

Good morning Leah,
I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been a fan 
of Mercians.
A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used Mercian 
KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and had one 
purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to consider.

Cheers,
David 

> On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Leah,
> 
> I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you probably 
> don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main influences 
> towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very familiar, 
> comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – I still 
> enjoy that type of riding at times.
> 
> You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend checking 
> out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, The All-Road Bike 
> Revolution, his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of departure from 
> "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating Riv a bit later 
> and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is much more focused 
> on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a healthy way. This is 
> an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as it's an articulation of 
> the same sort of perspective you seem to be arriving at: 
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/ 
> <https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/>. Jan also wrote 
> somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are good friends, 
> and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by promoting what he 
> likes.
> 
> I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
> Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
> like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
> "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
> and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
> low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is not 
> affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his 
> preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my current 
> riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for doubletrack rides, 
> and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the Crust excels at long, 
> fast road and gravel rides. Rivendell doesn't make randonneur bikes like my 
> Crust, as it sounds to me like they don't like the lighter-gauge tubing and 
> the handling optimized for drop bars and moderate front loads, but Grant has 
> written (quoting from memory, so hopefully I'm pretty close here) that he's 
> glad companies like Crust exist and do different stuff from Riv. I don't feel 
> like riding my Crust is an insult to Rivendell, just an expression of the 
> fact that my riding conditions are a bit different from theirs, though I 
> totally get it if that's how it feels to you. 
> 
> I've never ridden a Roadeo or Roadini, but I've ridden a LOT of road race and 
> "sport-touring" bikes from the 1960s through 2000s, many of which (like early 
> 80s Trek sport tourers, one of my main rides for a long time) have a lot of 
> similarities to the Roadeo. I prefer my Crust for several reasons: it's 
> designed for bigger tires, which when they're René Herse Extralights are just 
> as fast as 23mm tubulars and far more versatile; it can carry a big handlebar 
> bag for long rides without compromising handling at all; and it feels more 
> "alternative" when showing up to group rides, a feeling we're all used to 
> with Rivendells - but it's still just as fast as the carbon bikes, unlike my 
> Gus. And the biggest factor is that it's made of superlight steel tubing, 
> which I like not for the weight savings (less than a water bottle) but for 
> the flex characteristics – it flexes with each pedal stroke and feeds it back 
> into the drivetrain, taking away the pushing-against-a-brick-wall feeling of 
> hammering up a hill on a stiff bike. Jan calls this "planing," and it's 
> pretty controversial, and others call it a lively frame, a somewhat less 
> controversial term. My personal experience says it works – take that however 
> you want. I do not believe the Roadini would "plane" or be particularly 
> "lively," based on what I've heard, and the slightly lighter Roadeo might or 
> might not depending on how much power you're putting down.
> 
> A classic road bike like the Roadeo is also an aesthetic choi

[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

Thank you, Bill. This is really helpful.

On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 6:32:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> All that stuff is pretty darn common.  One place to go is eBay.  
>
> cranks: https://www.ebay.com/itm/386838756264
> 40 ring: https://www.ebay.com/itm/255458588990
> 32 ring: https://www.ebay.com/itm/196275801449
>
> People find practically free bike parts at "the bike co-op", or "the local 
> bike kitchen".  That takes effort but you can save a lot.  People post 
> "want to buy" posts on this group, and often somebody has what you seek in 
> their parts bin.  There's a hundred ways to pull a build together.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 6:20:23 AM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> This is all really great input. The trouble I'm having is finding a 
>> configuration out there (new or otherwise) that comes close to the  Sugino 
>> 74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. Where would you go 
>> to gather these parts?
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> I have an orange Quickbeam, which I bought new, with the original Sugino 
>>> 74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. I immediately 
>>> removed the provided 18t freewheel and put on a White 17/19t Dos Eno. I 
>>> also put a 22 on the flop side of the flip/flop hub that Riv included with 
>>> the bike.
>>>
>>> With the long dropout, I can use 40/17 (99%+ of my riding), 40/19, 32/19 
>>> or 32/22. I like to say I have the world’s least convenient 4 speed. I 
>>> haven’t “shifted” the bike about 5 years or more, but in the first 8 years 
>>> that I owned it, I would take it for long recreational rides and need to 
>>> downshift for some hills. For the locals: I even rode it up Old La Honda 
>>> years ago, I think in the 32/19, maybe the 32/22. Age and 2 bouts with 
>>> cancer have made a single speed bike only suitable for commuting for me 
>>> now, but it’s great for that.
>>>
>>> I’d definitely recommend 2 chainrings at about 8t difference if you want 
>>> some versatility. I have the pop off SKS fender stay things, and pack an 
>>> old gardening glove in my saddle bag so I can change the gearing without 
>>> getting too messy.
>>>
>>> Drew
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>>>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the 
>>>> classic 
>>>> single speed crankset anymore.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

This is all really great input. The trouble I'm having is finding a 
configuration out there (new or otherwise) that comes close to the  Sugino 
74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. Where would you go 
to gather these parts?

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 12:07:14 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

> I have an orange Quickbeam, which I bought new, with the original Sugino 
> 74/110 triple with the original 32/40/guard chainrings. I immediately 
> removed the provided 18t freewheel and put on a White 17/19t Dos Eno. I 
> also put a 22 on the flop side of the flip/flop hub that Riv included with 
> the bike.
>
> With the long dropout, I can use 40/17 (99%+ of my riding), 40/19, 32/19 
> or 32/22. I like to say I have the world’s least convenient 4 speed. I 
> haven’t “shifted” the bike about 5 years or more, but in the first 8 years 
> that I owned it, I would take it for long recreational rides and need to 
> downshift for some hills. For the locals: I even rode it up Old La Honda 
> years ago, I think in the 32/19, maybe the 32/22. Age and 2 bouts with 
> cancer have made a single speed bike only suitable for commuting for me 
> now, but it’s great for that.
>
> I’d definitely recommend 2 chainrings at about 8t difference if you want 
> some versatility. I have the pop off SKS fender stay things, and pack an 
> old gardening glove in my saddle bag so I can change the gearing without 
> getting too messy.
>
> Drew
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>> single speed crankset anymore.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

Very creative. Personally looking for simpler, streamlined inspiration, but 
these are nice options you're running.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I run a Riv Silver triple with 40/37/34 chainrings on my Quickbeam.  I 
> modified a rare and unusual Shimano cassette hub to fit 120 OLD.  On that I 
> run three Problem Solvers cassette cogs at 16/19/22.  As a result I have 
> three single speed "gears" with three chain positions, all with the same 
> wheel position
>
> 34x22 is my climbing gear
> 37x19 is my mellow cruising town gear
> 40x16 is my high gear
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:21:08 PM UTC-8 David wrote:
>
>> What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, 
>> too, if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
>> single speed crankset anymore.
>
>

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[RBW] Building a Quickbeam and wondering...

[David]

What are your drivetrain specs? Cranks, chainrings, etc.  Simpleones, too, 
if that's what you're riding. It appears Riv doesn't offer the classic 
single speed crankset anymore.

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Re: [RBW] Roadini Feedback

[David Hays]

If one is considering the Malocchio, I would check out the Romanceur Canti.
Very light weight with the Reynolds 853 tubing, no strange brake matching and 
greater tire compatibility.
I love mine.

David Hays

> On Jan 5, 2024, at 10:14 PM, eddietheflay  wrote:
> 
> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent clearance. Some 
> things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most Rivs are and without 
> sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put some blocks on my pedals and 
> you could try it.
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you 
> like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel bike 
> box.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  > wrote:
> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased from 
> a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a RIv so 
> bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you), hoping to 
> save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited HQ and talked 
> with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54 and 57, and 
> that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I should have gone 
> with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old Blue", an earlier model 
> which would not accept the larger tire size that the newer models do.  I 
> liked the bike well enough that I considered investing in a brand new frame 
> (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I didn't love the components that 
> came with that bike in the first place.  And so, since I would have been 
> essentially starting from scratch,  it didn't take much convincing to grab 
> that Homer frame that came up locally, and then build it up with the parts 
> that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I love, love, love, in a size that 
> fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and 
> only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini felt good, but the Homer feels great! 
> And while I'm the first to acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or 
> could comment on flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast 
> when I'm on it. 
> 
> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're close 
> enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what you 
> think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold 50 in 
> stock...
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already claim 
> is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy when I 
> attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I was 160 
> pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I still 
> wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't consider 75mm 
> BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want 80mm or 85mm drop 
> for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you wouldn't expect to 
> ride anything smaller than 700x30.
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm looking 
> for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires.. Also,  one of 
> my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the tubes will be 
> heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
> 
> Thoughts? 
> 
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html 
> <https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html>. With 
> 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not built to 
> be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals, bottle 
> cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably shaved 
> another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that, it 
> doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 Bridgestone 
> RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the higher BB on 
> the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm tires it is an 
> excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down single track  
> trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s outperform any 
> disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any disc brakes I've 
> ever rid

[RBW] Re: Studs for Winter Riding?

[David Pulsipher]

I've used Schwalbe Winter Marathons for over a decade, and love them.

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 6:34:32 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Went for a ride in snow today and had a blast! I also slipped around a 
> little bit as I tried to follow the packed snow of tire tracks. Got me 
> thinking about studded tires. I've never ridden them before and know 
> nothing about them. 
>
> Do any of you fine folks with more experience in such matters than me have 
> any recommendations for studded tires for my Hunq?
>
> Cheers, John
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[David Person]

mages can only be viewed by creating a Paceline account.   May have better 
luck if you post pics on this thread.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
> Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
> Recessed nut.
>
> Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.
>
> $110 for the set, shipped in the L48
>
> Photos are easiest to find here. 
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992
>
> Thanks!
> Ben Adrian
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[RBW] Re: FS: Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes

[David Person]

Images can only be viewed by creatine a Paceline account.   May have better 
luck if you post pics on this thread.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:10:47 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dia Compe Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes.
> Comes with straddle cables and hangers.
> Recessed nut.
>
> Amazing brakes, but the spring tension was a bit high for me.
>
> $110 for the set, shipped in the L48
>
> Photos are easiest to find here. 
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=300992
>
> Thanks!
> Ben Adrian
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[David Pulsipher]

The best mittens, hands down - for warmth and cost are the Kinco Ski Mitt 
. They can be broken in so they aren't super 
dextrous, but as far as warmth goes, I've used them well into the negatives 
(-14 up to -20) and every other mitten breaks down at that point, 
especially cycling specific products.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:29:51 PM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

I've used an older version of these First Lite mittens 

 
for hunting, and they also had enough feel to operate my cameras. 
Obviously, they are expensive. My version was much cheaper! But when 
working for hours in the Dakotas and Minnesota, they were perfect and well 
worth it. Wool still works when damp, and I sometimes used just the outside 
with different liners.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:43:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

The trouble with those, besides being bulky looking, is our big temperature 
differentials. I can often leave at 9 am at 18*F and come back at 50*F. I 
daresay that if I were riding long periods at sub 20* I'd think differently.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 9:54 AM Wesley  wrote:

Honestly, Bar Mitts brand neoprene pogies are so amazing that I would 
recommend just buying enough pairs that you can put them on each bike. Or 
swapping one pair between bikes as necessary (that can be complicated on 
the drop-bar version, depending on your cable routing). They are far beyond 
any gloves or mittens worn on the hands because they block the cold wind 
without being bulky or interfering with your handling the controls. I have 
fingers that are quite cold-sensitive, and I used Bar Mitts for seven years 
of commuting in Wisconsin winters. On the below-zero days I would only have 
to add a pair of minimalist knitted gloves (the kind they sell for 99 cents 
at the supermarket checkout.) 

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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[David Pulsipher]

I started as soon as they could hold their head up to have a helmet on, so 
typically about 5-6 months.

Using a DIY kid seat adapter on my Surly Big Dummy - raving success with 
all four of my children.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Crs5-qwuVxl/

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:58:35 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

Anyone have experience with the Velo Orange Granola Bar? Looks really close 
to the family.

https://velo-orange.com/products/granola-bar?_pos=1&_sid=492f7836c&_ss=r

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:20:12 PM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:

> That's a great recommendation re: Toscos - and with availability. Thank 
> you!
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 4:24:19 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have both Tosco and Orthos, and they are both very very similar bars. 
>> Orthos have gentler curves… and of course the clamp diameter… but that’s 
>> about the only difference. Aside from stem use, you’re not going to see 
>> much difference in those two.
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2023, at 3:53 PM, 'Sean, PNW' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://whatbars.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
>>> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
>>> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
>>> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>>>
>>> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross 
>>> throughout the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far 
>>> forward as the Albatross).
>>>
>>> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
>>> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
>>> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>>>
>>> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
>>> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
>>> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>>>
>>> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>>>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

That's a great recommendation re: Toscos - and with availability. Thank you!

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 4:24:19 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have both Tosco and Orthos, and they are both very very similar bars. 
> Orthos have gentler curves… and of course the clamp diameter… but that’s 
> about the only difference. Aside from stem use, you’re not going to see 
> much difference in those two.
>
> On Aug 25, 2023, at 3:53 PM, 'Sean, PNW' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> https://whatbars.com/
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>
>> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
>> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
>> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
>> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>>
>> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross 
>> throughout the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far 
>> forward as the Albatross).
>>
>> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
>> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
>> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>>
>> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
>> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
>> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>>
>> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>
>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Eric - when I put the Albatross and 
Billie on top of each other on Whatbars, they look almost identical in 
width, just with a little more grip area which in turn makes them slightly 
wider. I'm actually ok on grip area, just looking for more width in 
general. I hear you on the bar-ends - I'm currently using the rivendell bar 
ends and would likely convert them to thumbies. Might have to scour the 
interweb to see if anyone is selling them, bummer they are sold out.

While I have you, when do we get your next video? ; )



On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 3:26:14 PM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:

> Having used the Albatross and Choco-moose handlebars for years and 
> enjoying them, I recently put the Sycip Singles bar on my Kona Dr. Dew. I 
> really like the extra width (650mm) and sweep (45 degree) of this bar. It 
> has 200mm of straight grip area, unlike the Ortho and Tosco that don't have 
> enough grip length before the bend for spreading out the brake and shifter 
> controls. I would ride gravel but not mtb with these bars. Available on 
> Soma Fabrication's web site.
>
> On Friday, 25 August 2023 at 13:03:51 UTC-7 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> Man Eric - what an epistle! Truly you have given me some deep things to 
>> ponder.
>> Right now I was thinking of putting them on my Surly Long Haul Trucker - 
>> it's a 62cm. I'm 6'4 (and full of muscles).
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7Y77ruZob/?img_index=1
>>
>> I ride 45 schwalbe marathons, but am up-sizing to 47's shortly.
>>
>> I use it for a commuter and touring set up - and ride about about 32 
>> miles daily on my commute. Have been intrigued by the wider set up.
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
>>> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
>>> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
>>> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>>>
>>> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross 
>>> throughout the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far 
>>> forward as the Albatross).
>>>
>>> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
>>> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
>>> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>>>
>>> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
>>> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
>>> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>>>
>>> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>>>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>>>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>>>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks hive mind!
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

Man Eric - what an epistle! Truly you have given me some deep things to 
ponder.
Right now I was thinking of putting them on my Surly Long Haul Trucker - 
it's a 62cm. I'm 6'4 (and full of muscles).

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7Y77ruZob/?img_index=1

I ride 45 schwalbe marathons, but am up-sizing to 47's shortly.

I use it for a commuter and touring set up - and ride about about 32 miles 
daily on my commute. Have been intrigued by the wider set up.

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> We have two bikes with Albatross bars, a 65cm Tosco on my Platypus, and 
> recently picked up an Ortho bar for another bike. I like the Albatross bars 
> on roadish bikes and wider bars like the Orthos and Toscos on bikes with 
> wider tires that see more dirt. 
>
> The 69cm Orthos are significantly wider than the 55cm Albatross throughout 
> the grip range and come back further (they don't extend as far forward as 
> the Albatross).
>
> The Orthos are actually very similar to the 65cm Toscos - just a touch 
> wider and with a bit more rise. There'd be nothing in swap between them 
> except the stem (26.0 vs 31.8) and some weight.
>
> Another (inexpensive) bar that is very close to the Ortho (and Tosco) is 
> the Wald 896. I mocked up my build using these and was very happy with 
> them, though the price difference is apparent in the finish and weight.
>
> What bike would they be going on? What size tires and how is it used?
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:51:07 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
>> immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
>> much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
>> would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.
>>
>> Thanks hive mind!
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Ron's Ortho vs. Nitto Albatross

[David Pulsipher]

Hi there,

I've been using the Nitto Albatross now for over 13 years - and love it 
immensely. But recently I've been intrigued by the idea of going wider, 
much wider. Was wondering if any one had made a similar transition and 
would mind sharing their thoughts, reflections.

Thanks hive mind!

 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[David Linden]

The shoes have been sold. Thank you all for your consideration.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:39:37 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:

> My apologies! Rereading this posting, I feel that I come across as a 
> know-it-all, while I should realize that I am really preaching to the choir 
> here.
> Bottom line. I,m sorry. Also, let me be more realistic and drop the price 
> of the shoes to $200 shipped. If this too is unrealistic, let me know.
> Dave L
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:10:21 PM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:
>
>> I would like to sell a pair of size 45 brown Dromarti  Sportivo cycling 
>> shoes' These are  listed as men's shoes, are new in the box,, never worn. I 
>> purchased these about 4-5 years ago when it appeared that the oriiginal 
>> company owner was going to close the business.
>>
>> I already owned a pair of brown and also black Sportivo's, liked them so 
>> much that I wanted to keep another pair for the future. Little did I know 
>> jjust how long they  lhave lasted with little  signs of wear. Unlike me! 
>> The company has since been taken over by by it's current owner.
>>
>> They are size 45  retro style, nicely adjustable with waxed laces.The 
>> most comfortable cycling shoes in my experience. Soft leather with soft 
>> leather liners. They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with 
>> super wide feet to apply. Check out Dromarti.com for high res photos.These 
>> appear to be Jan Heine's favorite shoe and I learned of them via Jan's 
>> Bicycle Quarterly.
>>
>> Current price is $325 including shipping from the UK. I would like to get 
>> at least $275 including  shipping. Not a big savings from retail, but $50 
>> is $50, if you have been yearning to try these. Thanks for looking.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[David Linden]

My apologies! Rereading this posting, I feel that I come across as a 
know-it-all, while I should realize that I am really preaching to the choir 
here.
Bottom line. I,m sorry. Also, let me be more realistic and drop the price 
of the shoes to $200 shipped. If this too is unrealistic, let me know.
Dave L





On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 5:10:21 PM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:

> I would like to sell a pair of size 45 brown Dromarti  Sportivo cycling 
> shoes' These are  listed as men's shoes, are new in the box,, never worn. I 
> purchased these about 4-5 years ago when it appeared that the oriiginal 
> company owner was going to close the business.
>
> I already owned a pair of brown and also black Sportivo's, liked them so 
> much that I wanted to keep another pair for the future. Little did I know 
> jjust how long they  lhave lasted with little  signs of wear. Unlike me! 
> The company has since been taken over by by it's current owner.
>
> They are size 45  retro style, nicely adjustable with waxed laces.The most 
> comfortable cycling shoes in my experience. Soft leather with soft leather 
> liners. They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with super 
> wide feet to apply. Check out Dromarti.com for high res photos.These appear 
> to be Jan Heine's favorite shoe and I learned of them via Jan's Bicycle 
> Quarterly.
>
> Current price is $325 including shipping from the UK. I would like to get 
> at least $275 including  shipping. Not a big savings from retail, but $50 
> is $50, if you have been yearning to try these. Thanks for looking.
>

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[RBW] FS: Dromarti leather cycling shoes

[David Linden]

I would like to sell a pair of size 45 brown Dromarti  Sportivo cycling 
shoes' These are  listed as men's shoes, are new in the box,, never worn. I 
purchased these about 4-5 years ago when it appeared that the oriiginal 
company owner was going to close the business.

I already owned a pair of brown and also black Sportivo's, liked them so 
much that I wanted to keep another pair for the future. Little did I know 
jjust how long they  lhave lasted with little  signs of wear. Unlike me! 
The company has since been taken over by by it's current owner.

They are size 45  retro style, nicely adjustable with waxed laces.The most 
comfortable cycling shoes in my experience. Soft leather with soft leather 
liners. They fit me like Shimano shoes. Would not advise guys with super 
wide feet to apply. Check out Dromarti.com for high res photos.These appear 
to be Jan Heine's favorite shoe and I learned of them via Jan's Bicycle 
Quarterly.

Current price is $325 including shipping from the UK. I would like to get 
at least $275 including  shipping. Not a big savings from retail, but $50 
is $50, if you have been yearning to try these. Thanks for looking.

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[David Jones]

Well, Leah, you sure opened up a thread that everyone seems to want to
weigh in on, and a thread that seems to be enjoying a longevity that few
can match.

One thought I had that hasn't been covered by anyone, yet, is:  "What would
your father's wishes be for this bike?  Which of the different actions you
are considering would honor his memory to the fullest degree possible?"

My original, brief, response was to keep it home during college to protect
it from being stolen.  My thinking was that "it's a long life" and your son
will have a better chance of staying connected to his grandfather by having
decades to enjoy riding the bike.  But if your father was a person who was
a "pin your ears back" risk taker who approached life as if there were no
guarantees of tomorrow or appreciated a certain detachment to "things,"
then by all means "seize the day" and send the bike with your son to
college, fully recognizing the inherent risks involved and, hopefully,
having made peace with the possibility of him graduating from college
without the bike in his possession.

David Jones

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 12:52 PM Davey Two Shoes 
wrote:

> Send Grandpa's Clem!
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:29:17 PM UTC-4 Will wrote:
>
>> Oh yes it might help a bit if the bike didn't look so new. With a few
>> duct tape patches that can be easily solved without hurting the frame.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 5:24:24 PM UTC-5 Will wrote:
>>
>>> When I was in college I had a Raleigh Competition and a Raleigh RRA
>>> (French metric Raleigh bike). It was a small campus in Williamsburg, VA. I
>>> had no problems with either bike. Yes, I locked them. Yes, I didn't leave
>>> them out at night and so on, but my point is... with a good U lock and
>>> maybe some wheel theft clamps, I think you'll be fine. No one is looking
>>> for a classic steel bike  these days. Now they want carbon and disc brakes.
>>> And there are plenty of those bikes to steal. I'd give him the Clem.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 4:05:31 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been thinking about this situation a lot. (And thinking back about
>>>> 20 years to my time in college.) I was from a small town, and went to a
>>>> large public school. I learned a lot, and a lot of learning is through
>>>> mistakes. I did lots of dumb stuff, and minus the time I went flying over
>>>> the handlebars and got an ambulance ride, I was lucky to escape without
>>>> life-altering implications. My grandpa died when I was in college, and I
>>>> still treasure a few small items I have from him. Ultimately, things are
>>>> things, but some things mean more than others. It will be up to your family
>>>> to decide the best route. I'm not sure it's been mentioned before, but any
>>>> thought to taking an entirely different bike first semester/first year with
>>>> the plan to revisit taking the Clem second semester/sophomore year?
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with your decision.
>>>> Matt in STL
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was
>>>>> an 80s kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In
>>>>> college I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the
>>>>> bike was primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and
>>>>> really enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college
>>>>>> student. I grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad
>>>>>> that there are parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> happily car free college life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As
>>>>>> an adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark
>>>>>> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting 

Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[David Jones]

Let's make it 3 for 3.  Keep the new Clem at home.  There will be plenty of
time for him to enjoy it during college breaks, and post-college.  In 20+
years as a campus pastor at a Big 12 university, I don't ever recall seeing
that nice of a bike on campus.

David Jones


On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:56 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses,
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who
> doesn’t ride, sigh).
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020,
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of
> saying…
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe,
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.”
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Atlas tubeless?

[David Baldi]

another anecdotal take, for what it's worth: 
I have run a pair Dyads tubeless for about 3 years with no problems at low 
pressure (oracle ridge, ~17-25 psi). But it did take more work and patience 
to set up. As Patrick has already noted, in the absence of a good shoulder 
you can build up the center of the well with Gorilla tape. I prefer 
starting with two layers of tubeless tape to get the seal, and then 
gradually building up the center with a narrower strip of Gorilla tape 
until, with the tire mounted, the bead is super tight even in the well. 
Which also means it sucks getting it over the rim in the first place, and 
that you'll probably need to do it a few times until you nail it. By using 
a thinner width for the gorilla tape, you create, if not a shoulder, at 
least something of a lip to keep the beat from going back to center in the 
case of a flat. Though IME the orange seal connection the forms at the bead 
has always been enough to keep it in place. 
What I decided for myself was: when it is time to rebuild or upgrade the 
wheel, I'll go tubeless compatible for peace of mind, less trouble, and 
easier field service. Until then, I'll stick with the Dyads. I should also 
mention that, once I set up a pair of Oracle Ridge tires tubeless, 
replacing them with new tires (Hatcher Pass) was easy—I didn't have to redo 
that whole process.

-david


On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:56:53 AM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> My Big Bens are nearing end of life and I’m curious about setting up my 
> Hunq tubeless. But I have Atlas rims, which Velocity says is a no-go. 
> However if you scroll through the comments on this article, John Watson 
> from the Radavist says they set up nicely:
>
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/
>
> So why would I want to do this? Mostly to get experience working with 
> tubeless setups. My full-squish MTB and gravel/bikepacking rig are 
> tubeless, and if/when I encounter issues with either of them (esp. if I’m 
> in a remote locale) I’d like to have some hands-on knowledge with 
> troubleshooting tubeless systems. I already have an air compressor, so 
> basically for the cost of some tape and sealant I’d be good to go.
>
> Anybody have experience with making non-tubeless rims play nicely 
> tubeless? Tips or tricks to share? Or is it just a bad idea, and should I 
> resign myself to getting some new wheels built with Cliffhangers? I’d hate 
> to have the Hunq out of commission that long, but if I timed it to coincide 
> with out-of-town travel it probably wouldn’t be that big a deal.
>
> One last question — Cliffhangers are wider than Atlases by about 4.6 mm. 
> How would that affect fender clearance? My intuition is that wider rims 
> should result in a flatter tire arc, and potentially make it possible to go 
> slightly wider if I wanted to. I have 50s now, and would like to be able to 
> move up to 55s or even 60s.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

Let me tell you'all

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:37:20 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I hereby promise I would not scold Patrick Moore for buying a complete 
> used road bike for $2000.  At least that would be action.  All action gets 
> my approval.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:33:15 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Wow, nice build, nice tubing, and just my size. I'm not in the market, 
>> though, and anyway Bill would scold me for one more delay in building that 
>> Libertas.
>>
>> I'll be interested to see if someone onlist buys it and to hear that 
>> person's ride reports.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 2:20 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Linden custom 1.png]
>>>
>>> Hi everyone — I spoke with David Linden on the phone about his custom 
>>> Rivendell yesterday. His wife sent me a few pictures of the bike and I'm 
>>> posting them here to share. It's a beautiful bike in great shape, built in 
>>> 2001. 
>>>
>>> If you have further questions please reach out to David at his email 
>>> address above. 
>>>
>>> David mentioned his PBH is 86cm and that his height is 5' 10.5". 
>>>
>>> Plenty of build details above but here is a more complete build list 
>>> with a few more things added which I learned while chatting with Dave: 
>>>
>>>- Made by Curt Goodrich with Reynolds 531, 753, 525 and 725 (see 
>>>tubing diagram below)
>>>- 59cm frame. Top tube length is 57cm, 1.5% or 2% sloping 
>>>- Never ridden in the rain
>>>- Nitto stem, 110mm
>>>- Nitto Noodle handlebars (unsure of the width) 
>>>- Dura Ace headset
>>>- Mavic Open Pro wheels, Dura Ace hubs. 700c 32/36H. 
>>>- Continental Grand Prix 32mm tires
>>>- Tektro 539 calipers, Tektro levers
>>>- Two Nitto R-style cages
>>>- Dura Ace downtube shifters
>>>- Dura Ace 9-speed rear derailer 
>>>- IRD front derailer (I think? Assuming CD is for "compact double")
>>>- 9-speed Ultegra cassette, 12-27
>>>- Ritchey Logic 48/34 cranks! Cranks are 172.5mm
>>>- Shimano cartridge bottom bracket 
>>>- Shimano SPD pedals
>>>- Brooks B17 special in green
>>>- Velo Orange seatpost
>>>- Two Nitto R-style cages
>>>- Few minor chips to paint, one at the back of the fork crown. Also 
>>>at frame pump mounting locations beneath the top tube (likely on seat 
>>> and 
>>>head tubes). 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Linden custom 5.png]
>>>
>>> [image: Linden custom 3.png]
>>>
>>> More pictures to follow in an additional post! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

OK Patrick, here's a ride report of sorts regarding this Rivendell,
actually on our maiden flight together. I finished it's  build 2 days
before leaving for Salida,CO to start that year's sag- supported Bicycle
Tour of Colorado. Drove up from my home in Prescott, AZ, spent the night in
a motel in downtown Salida, ate an early breakfast,and then rode the bike
to Gunnison over Monarch Pass. Set up my tent on the grounds of Western
Colorado college. A nice ride BTW, having previously ridden it going the
other way.

Had  a spaghetti and salad dinner provided by a  local civic group (a big
mistake). Woke up at 0100 hrs with fever, shaking chills, nausea,
vomiting,and diarrhea. I saw no way that I was going to ride another 350
miles that week. Got a sag back to
Salida, packed up the car, drove as far as Cortez,CO, after a few restroom
stops. Thinking about Cortez, do you think this was a case of Montezuma's
revenge??

Well, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!



'

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 4:02 PM jaredwilson  wrote:

> Geez, what a beauty!
>
> Someone will be very happy with this one, best of luck with the sale :)
>
> jared
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:50:15 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> beautiful!
>>
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 6:37:20 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I hereby promise I would not scold Patrick Moore for buying a complete
>>> used road bike for $2000.  At least that would be action.  All action gets
>>> my approval.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:33:15 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, nice build, nice tubing, and just my size. I'm not in the market,
>>>> though, and anyway Bill would scold me for one more delay in building that
>>>> Libertas.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be interested to see if someone onlist buys it and to hear that
>>>> person's ride reports.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 2:20 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: Linden custom 1.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone — I spoke with David Linden on the phone about his custom
>>>>> Rivendell yesterday. His wife sent me a few pictures of the bike and I'm
>>>>> posting them here to share. It's a beautiful bike in great shape, built in
>>>>> 2001.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have further questions please reach out to David at his email
>>>>> address above.
>>>>>
>>>>> David mentioned his PBH is 86cm and that his height is 5' 10.5".
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty of build details above but here is a more complete build list
>>>>> with a few more things added which I learned while chatting with Dave:
>>>>>
>>>>>- Made by Curt Goodrich with Reynolds 531, 753, 525 and 725 (see
>>>>>tubing diagram below)
>>>>>- 59cm frame. Top tube length is 57cm, 1.5% or 2% sloping
>>>>>- Never ridden in the rain
>>>>>- Nitto stem, 110mm
>>>>>- Nitto Noodle handlebars (unsure of the width)
>>>>>- Dura Ace headset
>>>>>- Mavic Open Pro wheels, Dura Ace hubs. 700c 32/36H.
>>>>>- Continental Grand Prix 32mm tires
>>>>>- Tektro 539 calipers, Tektro levers
>>>>>- Two Nitto R-style cages
>>>>>- Dura Ace downtube shifters
>>>>>- Dura Ace 9-speed rear derailer
>>>>>- IRD front derailer (I think? Assuming CD is for "compact double")
>>>>>- 9-speed Ultegra cassette, 12-27
>>>>>- Ritchey Logic 48/34 cranks! Cranks are 172.5mm
>>>>>- Shimano cartridge bottom bracket
>>>>>- Shimano SPD pedals
>>>>>- Brooks B17 special in green
>>>>>- Velo Orange seatpost
>>>>>- Two Nitto R-style cages
>>>>>- Few minor chips to paint, one at the back of the fork crown.
>>>>>Also at frame pump mounting locations beneath the top tube (likely on 
>>>>> seat
>>>>>and head tubes).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Linden custom 5.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Linden custom 3.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> More pictures to follow in an additional post!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

Thanks, Ryan

Such tips are ver
DAL

On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 5:23 AM Ryan  wrote:

> One of the posters has commented on being unable to reply to a post using
> their phone (Android or IOS) on Google groups. I found this as well...what
> a PITA.
>
> This may help
>
>
> https://support.google.com/groups/thread/123173242/cannot-post-or-reply-via-mobile-by-default?hl=en
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:29:09 AM UTC-5 Dustin wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> You aren’t the first to engage this struggle with the photos.
>>
>> Try clicking on these for some help:
>>
>> Adding photos to Post
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/KHm7pCW92IM/m/EtJQLwauAgAJ>
>> groups.google.com
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>>
>>
>> Dustin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2023, at 11:18 PM, David Linden  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I am trying to learn how to take and send pictures,, but iit is going
>> slow. Will try harder,
>>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:52:22 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Would lve to see some pics, dalinden36!
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:35:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Corrections to the above: the seat post is a VO Velo  Orange 27.2mm.
>>>> The B17 saddle has had minimal usage, never wet, treated  only with Brooks
>>>> leather treatment product. I have several other saddles to consider,  and
>>>> we can talk about later.
>>>>
>>>> The tires are Contiinental 700x32 Grand Prix Four Season foldables.
>>>> Also, I have two brand new of these tires, which could be negotiated.
>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:12:16 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a one owner 59cm Road Custom that I need to sell. Built by Curt
>>>>> Goodrich in the mid2001 timeframe. I have the original build sheet, but 
>>>>> not
>>>>> sure how to display that here. It's color code 5056 light  blue metallic.
>>>>> Lighter tube set for my 155 lb. frame. Note: has horizontal rear dropouts.
>>>>> Built for short reach brakes, but currently has Tektro 539 brakes and
>>>>> levers, clearing 32mm tires. Nitto stem and noodles.
>>>>> Dura Ace DT 9 speed shifters, rear DR, headset, hubs laced to silver
>>>>> Mavic Open rims, 32 front, 36 rear. FD is ? CD, I don't remember exactly.
>>>>> Crank is a  silver 48/34 Ritchey Logic.
>>>>> Shimono cartridge BB. ST is a silver Pedal Orange currently carrying a
>>>>> green Brooks B17.
>>>>> Tires are Conti 700-32mm with some useable wear remaining.
>>>>>
>>>>> It shows minimal bearsage! However, I'm tech challenged, and still
>>>>> working on how to take and send photos. Has seen almost no rain, here in
>>>>> AZ. I am thinking around $2000  plus BikeFlight shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I am way off base, please contact me and I'll call you to discuss
>>>>> further. Thank you.
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

I am trying to learn how to take and send pictures,, but iit is going slow. 
Will try harder,

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:52:22 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Would lve to see some pics, dalinden36! 
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:35:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Corrections to the above: the seat post is a VO Velo  Orange 27.2mm. The 
>> B17 saddle has had minimal usage, never wet, treated  only with Brooks 
>> leather treatment product. I have several other saddles to consider,  and 
>> we can talk about later.
>>
>> The tires are Contiinental 700x32 Grand Prix Four Season foldables. Also, 
>> I have two brand new of these tires, which could be negotiated.
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:12:16 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:
>>
>>> I have a one owner 59cm Road Custom that I need to sell. Built by Curt 
>>> Goodrich in the mid2001 timeframe. I have the original build sheet, but not 
>>> sure how to display that here. It's color code 5056 light  blue metallic. 
>>> Lighter tube set for my 155 lb. frame. Note: has horizontal rear dropouts. 
>>> Built for short reach brakes, but currently has Tektro 539 brakes and 
>>> levers, clearing 32mm tires. Nitto stem and noodles. 
>>> Dura Ace DT 9 speed shifters, rear DR, headset, hubs laced to silver 
>>> Mavic Open rims, 32 front, 36 rear. FD is ? CD, I don't remember exactly. 
>>> Crank is a  silver 48/34 Ritchey Logic.
>>> Shimono cartridge BB. ST is a silver Pedal Orange currently carrying a 
>>> green Brooks B17.
>>> Tires are Conti 700-32mm with some useable wear remaining.
>>>
>>> It shows minimal bearsage! However, I'm tech challenged, and still 
>>> working on how to take and send photos. Has seen almost no rain, here in 
>>> AZ. I am thinking around $2000  plus BikeFlight shipping.
>>>
>>> If I am way off base, please contact me and I'll call you to discuss 
>>> further. Thank you.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

Corrections to the above: the seat post is a VO Velo  Orange 27.2mm. The 
B17 saddle has had minimal usage, never wet, treated  only with Brooks 
leather treatment product. I have several other saddles to consider,  and 
we can talk about later.

The tires are Contiinental 700x32 Grand Prix Four Season foldables. Also, I 
have two brand new of these tires, which could be negotiated.
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:12:16 AM UTC-7 David Linden wrote:

> I have a one owner 59cm Road Custom that I need to sell. Built by Curt 
> Goodrich in the mid2001 timeframe. I have the original build sheet, but not 
> sure how to display that here. It's color code 5056 light  blue metallic. 
> Lighter tube set for my 155 lb. frame. Note: has horizontal rear dropouts. 
> Built for short reach brakes, but currently has Tektro 539 brakes and 
> levers, clearing 32mm tires. Nitto stem and noodles. 
> Dura Ace DT 9 speed shifters, rear DR, headset, hubs laced to silver Mavic 
> Open rims, 32 front, 36 rear. FD is ? CD, I don't remember exactly. Crank 
> is a  silver 48/34 Ritchey Logic.
> Shimono cartridge BB. ST is a silver Pedal Orange currently carrying a 
> green Brooks B17.
> Tires are Conti 700-32mm with some useable wear remaining.
>
> It shows minimal bearsage! However, I'm tech challenged, and still working 
> on how to take and send photos. Has seen almost no rain, here in AZ. I am 
> thinking around $2000  plus BikeFlight shipping.
>
> If I am way off base, please contact me and I'll call you to discuss 
> further. Thank you.
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Road Custom

[David Linden]

I have a one owner 59cm Road Custom that I need to sell. Built by Curt 
Goodrich in the mid2001 timeframe. I have the original build sheet, but not 
sure how to display that here. It's color code 5056 light  blue metallic. 
Lighter tube set for my 155 lb. frame. Note: has horizontal rear dropouts. 
Built for short reach brakes, but currently has Tektro 539 brakes and 
levers, clearing 32mm tires. Nitto stem and noodles. 
Dura Ace DT 9 speed shifters, rear DR, headset, hubs laced to silver Mavic 
Open rims, 32 front, 36 rear. FD is ? CD, I don't remember exactly. Crank 
is a  silver 48/34 Ritchey Logic.
Shimono cartridge BB. ST is a silver Pedal Orange currently carrying a 
green Brooks B17.
Tires are Conti 700-32mm with some useable wear remaining.

It shows minimal bearsage! However, I'm tech challenged, and still working 
on how to take and send photos. Has seen almost no rain, here in AZ. I am 
thinking around $2000  plus BikeFlight shipping.

If I am way off base, please contact me and I'll call you to discuss 
further. Thank you.

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[RBW] Re: New member confession.

[David Linden]

Thank you all. You may find it interesting that forced exercise such as 
cycling is being studied as a way to slow the progression of PD.. Dr Jay 
Albert at the Cleveland Clinic has the Pedaling for PD program. He started 
putting the patients on a tandem and had the captain push the stoker 
patient harder than they would  normally do on their own. NOw he is using 
gear driven bikes .How  hard  you need to ride remains to.be seen.

At least it is something worth trying.

I have several bikes that this group might find of. interest. I'll post 
them over the next few days. It may take me awhile. I am finding that 
typing is difficult and very frustrating due to my PD.

Thanks again.






On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:13:49 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> David, sorry to hear about your situation. I hope you can continue to ride 
> for longer than you think you will but understand your concerns as I have 
> seen friends with Parkinson’s and how each person seems to have different 
> challenges. 
>
> Good luck with your sale, try to keep one for as long as you can.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Joel
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-4 dalin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My primary reason for requesting membership to this group is that I must 
>> begin selling all six of my bikes and related bicycle gear. Let me explain, 
>> please. 
>> I was a member of the original Bridgestone Owner's Group, I think #912  
>> ???. I joined the RBW group early on, but eventually dropped active 
>> participation  because I could not keep up with the number of e-mails 
>> involved.
>>
>> I am now a retired, 87 year old, VA physician, living in north central 
>> Arizona. I primarily was a road rider, (non racer, ) with some off road 
>> riding in the national forest  which lies out my front door. I stopped  
>> riding outdoors when we were shut down by the Covid pandemic.
>> I could not risk an injury requiring a hospital ER  visit or 
>> hospitalization, and leaving my wife to fend for herself. Thus, I have only 
>> been riding indoors on my Revmaster Pro stationary bike.
>> I have more recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, am on 
>> medication,, but am plagued with extreme fatigue, which limits my rides to 
>> about 30 minutes. PD is a progressive, incurable disease, thus my cycling 
>> situation is not likely to change .
>> Therefore, I an going to try to sell my bikes and miscellaneous gear and 
>> equipment.
>>
>> :I/,m 
>>
>>
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[RBW] New member confession.

[David Linden]

My primary reason for requesting membership to this group is that I must 
begin selling all six of my bikes and related bicycle gear. Let me explain, 
please. 
I was a member of the original Bridgestone Owner's Group, I think #912  
???. I joined the RBW group early on, but eventually dropped active 
participation  because I could not keep up with the number of e-mails 
involved.

I am now a retired, 87 year old, VA physician, living in north central 
Arizona. I primarily was a road rider, (non racer, ) with some off road 
riding in the national forest  which lies out my front door. I stopped  
riding outdoors when we were shut down by the Covid pandemic.
I could not risk an injury requiring a hospital ER  visit or 
hospitalization, and leaving my wife to fend for herself. Thus, I have only 
been riding indoors on my Revmaster Pro stationary bike.
I have more recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, am on 
medication,, but am plagued with extreme fatigue, which limits my rides to 
about 30 minutes. PD is a progressive, incurable disease, thus my cycling 
situation is not likely to change .
Therefore, I an going to try to sell my bikes and miscellaneous gear and 
equipment.

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[RBW] Re: I spy a yellow Platypus

[David Person]

Cool!

On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
> details. I’m so happy for her! 
> Leah
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>> so. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>>
>>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

Unfortunately, I'll have to pass.  More climbing than I'm in shape for at 
this time.

David/Thousand Oaks/2015 Hillborne

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 12:14:15 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Great! Looking for to it. Looks like a perfect 71 degree day is in store 
> for us. The 9am start seems like a good balance. Early enough but not too 
> early. Admittedly the starting point is only a 30 min ride from my place.
>
> Brian/Glendale/2015 Hillborne
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith for our LA 
>> Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or not. Originally, 
>> the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an hour to start in 
>> some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we can always go back 
>> to the og time, just LMK.
>>
>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>
>> When: 9 AM 
>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont Ave, Los 
>> Angeles, CA 90027
>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 mi with 
>> 1k ft. of climbing
>>
>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at House of 
>> Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign climb for folks 
>> who want to do some more climbing!
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the "single 
>>> scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've marked my calendar.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 
>>>>>> 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust 
>>>>>> specifics 
>>>>>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>>>>>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across 
>>>>>> from 
>>>>>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>>>>>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted 
>>>>>>> rep the set.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>>>>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>>>>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 2022 
>>>>>>> write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>>>>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at 
>>>>>>> the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is 
>>>>>>> really 
>>>>>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>>>>>>>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>>>>>>>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since 
>>>>>>>> there 
>>>>>>>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @bryce -- Yep, th

Re: [RBW] WTB: Roly Poly Tires

[David Harries]

Not my listing, but here is a craigslist posting in 
Philadelphia: 
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bop/d/philadelphia-rivendell-rolly-poly-tires/7606900224.html

The seller may ship. If push comes to shove, let me know, I may be able to 
facilitate purchase/shipment. 

David in Philly.


On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:36:45 PM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panaracer-Rivendell-Ruffy-Tuffy-Road-Tires-700x28c-Tan-Wall-New-no-packaging/304946354174?hash=item47003817fe:g:k5YAAOSwAkRkaRdk&amdata=enc:AQAI4POPQt2hupOFQTiPGtIVEtYMkSp8WKr9Kcw5vX5O/zxld3qxZPr9MjlcGDxEX74OoOcSeHif6AIJ/6i2wS71/e/hi1CMZHJA+XgWJaBx7FbZZwPF/TAtn8PDR/Ic8L15h5diFRM7sZe1gvDHWwC51lGxveqRN4ZkZo9PLnly/kQ3pWikMNA2Nxvnb1gHk5wFzDYlkWWILt/9nA1Dw2wjUJBdkend00o6S1vIWlGjNMppI85uCDUxcgRDzmekWdxgZ4pS+m6o9xXfPejO1BG3pewzY25G2po3T2XCp8L56MJl%7Ctkp:Bk9SR4Cb37qHYg&pageci=c51cb47a-a027-4067-b0e5-668bbdc57d41&redirect=mobile
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panaracer-Rivendell-Ruffy-Tuffy-Road-Tires-700x28c-Tan-Wall/304946254173?hash=item470036915d:g:ElwAAOSwq5RkaPkq&amdata=enc:AQAIwE2zZ+2OmcT6/1Hv4Hssi/2LxWZeqvdTyRSGxhQ/vxTF2ewHc+NCg/UFIjmNaIVeEtFn2oKxXMkIOdbuNom+9YJFq0s1kDqIAUvex8y0ymLBxM+Orsaz2rKoEjsIg7CmdrtS1kAPapNZiXFmkY/Xlc1Qs50PAt+bG4Z693laxLWLdv8cudrgHdJV8GNXaJZssTpoSD3/lCfpGcxURLIjjvqbdNCfzdSQfWhZLP5Nzl3hY1pCQVu/XJDrW6vPSgGpQw==%7Ctkp:Bk9SR4Cb37qHYg&pageci=9347c951-1531-4fbf-b2c0-7e92c5e78574&redirect=mobile
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 8:33 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you send a link? Not seeing them when I search for “Rivendell tires"
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On May 20, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Steven Sweedler  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, two listings on ebay under Rivendell
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 8:27 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody have some new or new-ish Roly Poly tires in 700x28 that you 
>>> don’t need?
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Buncha parts...

[David B]

Update to remove sold items or note those that are claimed, pending payment.

(1.) Brooks B17 Honey Brown Saddle – mounted on a Brompton and used for one 
ride before I realized the stock saddle was easier to carry when folded - 
$90 (claimed, pending)

 

(2.) Paul Moon Units – canti/centerpull hangers - silver – typical 
marks/scratches from cables - $35 a pair – 1 pair claimed, have 1 more pair 
available

 

(3.) Nitto Tallux Stem – 12cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, 225mm height – used, 
typical scratches including a spot where I flipped my bike upside down - $50

 

(4.) Campagnolo Triple – logos worn off, not sure the model, 135/74 bcd, 
175mm, no chainrings or bolt - $30

 

(5.) Sakae Triple Crankset – silver, 80s/90s make/model – for a budget 
build – with chainrings and bolts, 130/74 - $20

 

(7.) Shimano Deore (vintage) FC-6206 – was black, removed the paint on the 
outer side, still black on the backside of the driveside, 110/74bcd, comes 
with a very worn 45t chainring and bolts for 110mm - $30

 

(8.) Stock Clem Saddle – these came (come?) on complete Clems, have the 
handle thing on the back side - $20

 

(9.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers – some scratches from wall rub, but 
otherwise in nice condition - $30

 

(10.) Shimano Tiagra MTB Brake Levers – short pull, silver, some shellac 
residue and typical wear from a few years of regular use - $20

 

(12.) Salsa Polished Silver Chainring – 42t 130bcd, used, decent condition 
- $12

 

(13.) Salsa Silver Chainring – 42t 135bcd, used, decent condition - $12
On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:37:22 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> Garage cleaning. Been fairly content with my bike setups and haven’t felt 
> a tinkering need for a bit, so time to move on some stuff.
>
>  
>
> Prices INCLUDE shipping in US, IF you’re okay with my packing parts in 
> bubble-padded envelopes. 
>
>  
>
> It’s been a bit since I’ve sold or been on this list, but I’ve been around 
> for a while if you search the archives. I’m just west of Chicago if you’d 
> prefer to pickup. 
>
>  
>
> Strongly prefer payment via Venmo. I can do Paypal if that’s a 
> dealbreaker, but I’m set up as a business so I get charged fees and there 
> is no Personal (friends/family) option for business accounts.
>
>
> Photos are here (send me a message for photos if you don't do IG):
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskNGRmp6Td/
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM93kJ-GL/
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM5gMJLtA
>
>  
>
> Ok… what’s available…
>
>  
>
> (1.) Brooks B17 Honey Brown Saddle – mounted on a Brompton and used for 
> one ride before I realized the stock saddle was easier to carry when folded 
> - $90
>
>  
>
> (2.) Paul Moon Units – canti/centerpull hangers - silver – typical 
> marks/scratches from cables - $35 a pair – have 2 pairs
>
>  
>
> (3.) Nitto Tallux Stem – 12cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, 225mm height – used, 
> typical scratches including a spot where I flipped my bike upside down - $50
>
>  
>
> (4.) Campagnolo Triple – logos worn off, not sure the model, 135/74 bcd, 
> 175mm, no chainrings or bolt - $30
>
>  
>
> (5.) Sakae Triple Crankset – silver, 80s/90s make/model – for a budget 
> build – with chainrings and bolts, 130/74 - $20
>
>  
>
> (6.) Shimano Dura Ace 7410 Crankset – set up with a 130bcd 38t narrow-wide 
> chainring – 170mm - $40
>
>  
>
> (7.) Shimano Deore (vintage) FC-6206 – was black, removed the paint on the 
> outer side, still black on the backside of the driveside, 110/74bcd, comes 
> with a very worn 45t chainring and bolts for 110mm - $30
>
>  
>
> (8.) Stock Clem Saddle – these came (come?) on complete Clems, have the 
> handle thing on the back side - $20
>
>  
>
> (9.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers – some scratches from wall rub, but 
> otherwise in nice condition - $30
>
>  
>
> (10.) Shimano Tiagra MTB Brake Levers – short pull, silver, some shellac 
> residue and typical wear from a few years of regular use - $20
>
>  
>
> (11.) Sunrace 8-speed Thumb Shifter – M90, just the right/rear side, 
> 8-speed indexed, very little use - $15
>
>  
>
> (12.) Salsa Polished Silver Chainring – 42t 130bcd, used, decent condition 
> - $12
>
>  
>
> (13.) Salsa Silver Chainring – 42t 135bcd, used, decent condition - $12
>
>  
>
> (14.) Canvas Bag Set – I made these (have made and sold several bags in 
> the past) small/medium front bag with rolltop and flap closure, rear saddle 
> wedge with rolltop and flap closure – Martexin field tan waxed canvas with 
> Italian leather (straps, trim) and solid brass rivets and buckles, I used 
> these for a summer or so, then made up a new set for myself - $90 for both 
> bags
>
>  
>
> (15.) Gray c

[RBW] Re: FS: Buncha parts...

[David B]

Forgot that link - it's on my IG, but they have sold.
Thanks,
David

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:25:08 AM UTC-5 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey nice to see you around - still using a pair of mudflaps you made :-)
>
> I don't see pictures of the canvas front/rear bags at the link you sent. 
> Are they still available? 
>
> Smitty in DC
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 8:37:22 PM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Garage cleaning. Been fairly content with my bike setups and haven’t felt 
>> a tinkering need for a bit, so time to move on some stuff.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Prices INCLUDE shipping in US, IF you’re okay with my packing parts in 
>> bubble-padded envelopes. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> It’s been a bit since I’ve sold or been on this list, but I’ve been 
>> around for a while if you search the archives. I’m just west of Chicago if 
>> you’d prefer to pickup. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Strongly prefer payment via Venmo. I can do Paypal if that’s a 
>> dealbreaker, but I’m set up as a business so I get charged fees and there 
>> is no Personal (friends/family) option for business accounts.
>>
>>
>> Photos are here (send me a message for photos if you don't do IG):
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskNGRmp6Td/
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM93kJ-GL/
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM5gMJLtA
>>
>>  
>>
>> Ok… what’s available…
>>
>>  
>>
>> (1.) Brooks B17 Honey Brown Saddle – mounted on a Brompton and used for 
>> one ride before I realized the stock saddle was easier to carry when folded 
>> - $90
>>
>>  
>>
>> (2.) Paul Moon Units – canti/centerpull hangers - silver – typical 
>> marks/scratches from cables - $35 a pair – have 2 pairs
>>
>>  
>>
>> (3.) Nitto Tallux Stem – 12cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, 225mm height – used, 
>> typical scratches including a spot where I flipped my bike upside down - $50
>>
>>  
>>
>> (4.) Campagnolo Triple – logos worn off, not sure the model, 135/74 bcd, 
>> 175mm, no chainrings or bolt - $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> (5.) Sakae Triple Crankset – silver, 80s/90s make/model – for a budget 
>> build – with chainrings and bolts, 130/74 - $20
>>
>>  
>>
>> (6.) Shimano Dura Ace 7410 Crankset – set up with a 130bcd 38t 
>> narrow-wide chainring – 170mm - $40
>>
>>  
>>
>> (7.) Shimano Deore (vintage) FC-6206 – was black, removed the paint on 
>> the outer side, still black on the backside of the driveside, 110/74bcd, 
>> comes with a very worn 45t chainring and bolts for 110mm - $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> (8.) Stock Clem Saddle – these came (come?) on complete Clems, have the 
>> handle thing on the back side - $20
>>
>>  
>>
>> (9.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers – some scratches from wall rub, but 
>> otherwise in nice condition - $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> (10.) Shimano Tiagra MTB Brake Levers – short pull, silver, some shellac 
>> residue and typical wear from a few years of regular use - $20
>>
>>  
>>
>> (11.) Sunrace 8-speed Thumb Shifter – M90, just the right/rear side, 
>> 8-speed indexed, very little use - $15
>>
>>  
>>
>> (12.) Salsa Polished Silver Chainring – 42t 130bcd, used, decent 
>> condition - $12
>>
>>  
>>
>> (13.) Salsa Silver Chainring – 42t 135bcd, used, decent condition - $12
>>
>>  
>>
>> (14.) Canvas Bag Set – I made these (have made and sold several bags in 
>> the past) small/medium front bag with rolltop and flap closure, rear saddle 
>> wedge with rolltop and flap closure – Martexin field tan waxed canvas with 
>> Italian leather (straps, trim) and solid brass rivets and buckles, I used 
>> these for a summer or so, then made up a new set for myself - $90 for both 
>> bags
>>
>>  
>>
>> (15.) Gray cordura-like panniers – pair – Norco branded, remind me of 
>> Swift (discontinued) shortstacks – I did some modifications at one point to 
>> make them easier to open while mounted (original system used tension on the 
>> lower hook attached to the main flap closure so opening the bag meant 
>> loosening the lower hook attachment), I didn’t get around to upgrading the 
>> hook/bungee system so these have NO attachment system in place, again these 
>> come with NO rack attachment hardware, so… FREE for shipping – likely fit 
>> in a USPS medium flat rate box
>>
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[RBW] FS: Buncha parts...

[David B]

Garage cleaning. Been fairly content with my bike setups and haven’t felt a 
tinkering need for a bit, so time to move on some stuff.

 

Prices INCLUDE shipping in US, IF you’re okay with my packing parts in 
bubble-padded envelopes. 

 

It’s been a bit since I’ve sold or been on this list, but I’ve been around 
for a while if you search the archives. I’m just west of Chicago if you’d 
prefer to pickup. 

 

Strongly prefer payment via Venmo. I can do Paypal if that’s a dealbreaker, 
but I’m set up as a business so I get charged fees and there is no Personal 
(friends/family) option for business accounts.


Photos are here (send me a message for photos if you don't do IG):

https://www.instagram.com/p/CskNGRmp6Td/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM93kJ-GL/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CskM5gMJLtA

 

Ok… what’s available…

 

(1.) Brooks B17 Honey Brown Saddle – mounted on a Brompton and used for one 
ride before I realized the stock saddle was easier to carry when folded - 
$90

 

(2.) Paul Moon Units – canti/centerpull hangers - silver – typical 
marks/scratches from cables - $35 a pair – have 2 pairs

 

(3.) Nitto Tallux Stem – 12cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, 225mm height – used, 
typical scratches including a spot where I flipped my bike upside down - $50

 

(4.) Campagnolo Triple – logos worn off, not sure the model, 135/74 bcd, 
175mm, no chainrings or bolt - $30

 

(5.) Sakae Triple Crankset – silver, 80s/90s make/model – for a budget 
build – with chainrings and bolts, 130/74 - $20

 

(6.) Shimano Dura Ace 7410 Crankset – set up with a 130bcd 38t narrow-wide 
chainring – 170mm - $40

 

(7.) Shimano Deore (vintage) FC-6206 – was black, removed the paint on the 
outer side, still black on the backside of the driveside, 110/74bcd, comes 
with a very worn 45t chainring and bolts for 110mm - $30

 

(8.) Stock Clem Saddle – these came (come?) on complete Clems, have the 
handle thing on the back side - $20

 

(9.) Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers – some scratches from wall rub, but 
otherwise in nice condition - $30

 

(10.) Shimano Tiagra MTB Brake Levers – short pull, silver, some shellac 
residue and typical wear from a few years of regular use - $20

 

(11.) Sunrace 8-speed Thumb Shifter – M90, just the right/rear side, 
8-speed indexed, very little use - $15

 

(12.) Salsa Polished Silver Chainring – 42t 130bcd, used, decent condition 
- $12

 

(13.) Salsa Silver Chainring – 42t 135bcd, used, decent condition - $12

 

(14.) Canvas Bag Set – I made these (have made and sold several bags in the 
past) small/medium front bag with rolltop and flap closure, rear saddle 
wedge with rolltop and flap closure – Martexin field tan waxed canvas with 
Italian leather (straps, trim) and solid brass rivets and buckles, I used 
these for a summer or so, then made up a new set for myself - $90 for both 
bags

 

(15.) Gray cordura-like panniers – pair – Norco branded, remind me of Swift 
(discontinued) shortstacks – I did some modifications at one point to make 
them easier to open while mounted (original system used tension on the 
lower hook attached to the main flap closure so opening the bag meant 
loosening the lower hook attachment), I didn’t get around to upgrading the 
hook/bungee system so these have NO attachment system in place, again these 
come with NO rack attachment hardware, so… FREE for shipping – likely fit 
in a USPS medium flat rate box

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy info request

[David Person]

Doing a search on this site shows the first threads on the Betty Foy at the 
end of 2008 with pictures on the Riv website mentioned in Dec 2008 along 
with mentions of test rides.  Yes, all Taiwan made.  Timing looks to be 
same as the Sam Hillborne.

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/bQZkKv_yoUI/m/B9QC-TmhQSoJ

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:23:41 AM UTC-7 womba...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what years the Betty Foy was produced? I think 2009 was 
> the first year?
>
> Also, were they all made in Taiwan?
>
> Thanks! Ann
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

I think, Luke, part of my response was colored by years of reading some 
fellows -- whether here or other digital bike spaces -- disparage the 
use of torque wrenches. But even though I didn't mean tough guy by my 
use of "masculine," I failed when I put it in gender terms. I'm sorry.


But o'wise, sure, torque wrenches are another tool. And I can see how 
there's virtue in having fewer tools. But since torque wrenches help 
insure correct installation of parts, even with experienced hands, I 
would think many hobbyists who are often less experienced would benefit 
from that kind of accuracy.


Then again, I value accuracy.

Dave, who has carefully assembled over 100 bicycle frames over the years 
for myself my wife and friends and so that's where part of my 
perspective comes from


==

On 5/1/23 12:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Dave -

I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a tough 
guy mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have over-torqued 
lockrings, but it’s easy to back off and the issue of over-torquing 
isn’t dire like with over-torquing a threaded bb (I always use a 
torque wrench for that).


Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not 
tough guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to 
share my opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing with 
tools and buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly expensive.


Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower the 
economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque
wrench to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is
typically quite easy to take off, with greased threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of
various bike threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets
me closer to exact than hand feel might. For me, the higher the
required Nm value, like a lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it
can be to get exact (or close to) without a torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics
think working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque
recommended is 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never
have to remove one torqued to that number!

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson
wrote:

Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for
cassettes and tighten by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a
must for everything in my experience.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.pngAdam,

I just purchased the attached which can be had for
about $40-50.

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:

Thanks everyone,

I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand
not to have things riding shape) and the case is
closed for now.

It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a
few bits of aluminum, which I cleaned off.
Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
re-installed and took it a little easier on the
tightening. All seems good to ride.

Thanks all!

Adam

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe
Bernard wrote:

Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling
my procress is to give it a good extra tug
after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start
and call it a day. I've tried removing the
way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty!

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7
Ian A wrote:

I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring
now, while the grease is fresh. I've
always erred on the side of not tight
enough with lockrings because if they do
unscrew in use the only thing that has
happened for me is the shifting has gone
weird.

When you unscrew it, just be careful the
removal tool is firmly seated. If needed
   

Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

Of course that was an opinion Joe. And because you also noted concern 
about having "to remove one torqued to that number," I thought it useful 
to introduce my direct experience with lockrings, measured torque 
values, and good old Phil grease. Heck, for some reason lately I've been 
installing and removing several. So I come from that.


Anyway, I'm not sure why my experience with these parts and tools made 
my comments seem unaware of your perspective. Sorry about that.


Dave, who finds that using a torque wrench more and more after 30 years 
of wrenching mainly without is like a .725 free throw shooter in the NBA 
working to make himself a .900 shooter on freebies since my hands are 
good enough now but they could be significantly better and in fact my 
hands better learn the various common torques even as I use the tool


P.S. Can you tell I have playoff basketball on my mind?

==

On 5/1/23 1:29 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
Also my "seems crazy high" is an opinion. I didn't realize I needed to 
specify "seems to ME" but here we are.


On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Dave -

I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a
tough guy mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have
over-torqued lockrings, but it’s easy to back off and the issue of
over-torquing isn’t dire like with over-torquing a threaded bb (I
always use a torque wrench for that).

Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not
tough guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to
share my opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing
with tools and buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly
expensive.

Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower
the economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a
torque wrench to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet
the ring is typically quite easy to take off, with greased
threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of
various bike threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it
gets me closer to exact than hand feel might. For me, the
higher the required Nm value, like a lockring’s 40Nm, the more
difficult it can be to get exact (or close to) without a
torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike
mechanics think working without a torque wrench is somehow
more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard 
wrote:

I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque
recommended is 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never
have to remove one torqued to that number!

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for
cassettes and tighten by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a
must for everything in my experience.

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke
Hendrickson wrote:

30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.pngAdam,

I just purchased the attached which can be had for
about $40-50.

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7
Adam wrote:

Thanks everyone,

I managed to make time to sort it out (can't
stand not to have things riding shape) and the
case is closed for now.

It came off with a bit of a struggle. There
were a few bits of aluminum, which I cleaned
off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
re-installed and took it a little easier on
the tightening. All seems good to ride.

Thanks all!

Adam

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5
Joe Bernard wrote:

Agreed with Ian, when it comes to
reinstalling my procress is to give it a
good extra tug after the clattering "it's
tight" sounds start and call it a day.
I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones
and it ain't pretty!

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM
UTC-7 I

Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[David Hallerman]

40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque wrench
to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is typically quite
easy to take off, with greased threads of course.

While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of various bike
threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets me closer to exact
than hand feel might. For me, the higher the required Nm value, like a
lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it can be to get exact (or close to)
without a torque wrench.

Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics think
working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque recommended is
> 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never have to remove one torqued to
> that number!
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten
>> by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience.
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,
>>>
>>> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Thanks everyone,

 I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things
 riding shape) and the case is closed for now.

 It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of
 aluminum, which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased,
 re-installed and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems good
 to ride.

 Thanks all!

 Adam

 On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to give
> it a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start and 
> call
> it a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty!
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is
>> fresh. I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings
>> because if they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for me
>> is the shifting has gone weird.
>>
>> When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly
>> seated. If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR 
>> and a
>> couple of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female splines
>> on the lockring.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>>>
>>> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this
>>> myself before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and
>>> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced some
>>> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's
>>> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>>>
>>> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now
>>> (loosen and re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an 
>>> older,
>>> wiser me in a year or two when I change the cassette again?
>>>
>>> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>>>
>>> THANKS!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

I've marked my calendar.

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:

> [image: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
>> Hi y'all,
>>
>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like May 27th 
>> has the highest level of availability! We can always adjust specifics 
>> closer to the date, but for now let's keep the morning/afternoon of the 
>> 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's Cafe across from 
>> the Greek at 8 am. 
>>
>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that 
>> weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>
>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>
>> -Houston
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted rep 
>>> the set.
>>>
>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles Invitational 
>>> (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 2022 
>>> write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA Invitational 
>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at the 
>>> swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is really 
>>> good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
>>>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from 
>>>> meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. 
>>>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since there 
>>>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>>>
>>>> @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a great 
>>>> location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and happened upon 
>>>> the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the family in 
>>>> the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the handlebar 
>>>> setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno frames come out.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>>>>>
>>>>> David 
>>>>> Black & Tan Sam
>>>>> Thousand Oaks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely 
>>>>>> make the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your 
>>>>>> parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a 
>>>>>> coincidence!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great 
>>>>>> payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
>>>>>>> schedule's wide open during the summer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham <
>>>>>>>> thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
>>>>>>>> schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up 
>>>>>>>> being the best date for all parties involved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[David Person]

Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 

David 
Black & Tan Sam
Thousand Oaks

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely make 
> the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>
> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your parked 
> orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a coincidence!
>
> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great 
> payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the 
>> schedule's wide open during the summer.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
>>> schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up 
>>> being the best date for all parties involved.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!
>>>
>>> 1. *Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?*
>>>
>>> 2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so 
>>> Griffith seems like the best option. 
>>>
>>> Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very 
>>> chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants to 
>>> ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! 
>>>
>>> So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista del 
>>> Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with ~1000 
>>> ft. of elevation. *I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if anyone has 
>>> route suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please share haha! *
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Edgar 
>>>> Valley Village
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Count me in. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't 
>>>>> browsed this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I 
>>>>> wanted 
>>>>> to go on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 
>>>>> Golden Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> some other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look 
>>>>> drastically 
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Tony
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all!
>>>>>> I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would 
>>>>>> love to join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done 
>>>>>> around my availability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
>>>>>>> Has he seen this yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool 
>>>>>>>> to do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's 
>>>>>>>> or a 
>>>>>>>> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill p

Re: [RBW] Re: Ramouillet max tire

[David Hallerman]

Thanks Keith, all this is helpful as I’m still tweaking things. I don’t
need fenders right now, so non-rubbing space is my main focus.

Also, I’ve been having fun measuring the same tire on different rims, since
we all know that tire fit depends on more than just the nominal size on the
side of the tire. Here are the actual widths I found for a 700x32 Gravel
King SS tire installed on three different inner diameter rims (in
parentheses), each inflated to 60 psi with tubes.

Mavic Open Pro (15mm) - 30mm wide tire
Velocity A23 (18mm) - 31mm
Velocity Quill (21mm) - 32mm

Obviously, with the exact same amount of rubber, the Quill install that
measured 32 mm wide was less high (I didn’t measure that) than the Open Pro
install at a narrow 30 mm.

Dave, who thinks 700x32 tires are a definite sweet spot

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 5:48 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> David,
>
> You're probably right that they didn't give me more vertical clearance or
> tire clearance for tires "directly."  My recollection is that they gave me
> more room for the fenders, so I could shove them higher, which IN TURN gave
> me more room for the taller tires.  Basically, the shape of the space below
> and between the arms is better.  It's been many years, so all I remenber is
> that I could NOT fit both the 33.33 tires and fenders until I switched from
> the stock shimano brakes.  It might not matter to someone who doesn't want
> to run fenders, but that's not me.
>
> (My wife's bike still has the stock brakes, so I could find the model
> number if ti matters to anyone.  I think they were pretty standard 105
> series medium reach calipers)
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 12:16:09 PM UTC-6 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> Hi. Not clear how the Tektro R539s give more clearance than, say, Shimano
>> R-600 brakes. Or were you talking about other Shimano brakes?
>>
>> Dave, who has R-600s on his Rambouillet but is always looking for more
>> tire space
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to mention: I upgraded to the Tektro R539 brakes on my bike which
>>> help alot.  Wife's still has the stock Shmano brakes.  I'm not sure why Riv
>>> doesn't still sell the Tektros.  I thougth that, like the R559, they were
>>> their own design.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:28:04 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>>> It changed a little over time, with the later  ones having a bit more
>>>> clearance than the first-run orange ones.   I think the green ones were the
>>>> last (?) so, presumably, they have at least as good as the blue ones.
>>>> Additionally, my own experience tells me that there is a bit of
>>>> difference between the 700c and 559 wheel size frames.
>>>>
>>>> My 60 cm / 700c 2006 blue one has 33.33 jack browns and sks (esge)
>>>> fenders with plenty of clearance.  That's the most I could do though, and
>>>> the brakes are the limiting factor.  As the literature at the time
>>>> suggested, I think it would fit a 37 mm without a fender
>>>>
>>>> My wife has a same-year 50 cm / 559 frame and it would have a little
>>>> less clearance because the rear brake bridge is installed sliightly lower
>>>> relative to the rim.  She's happy with a 1" (28mm) tire and no fenders
>>>> though.   It might fit a 32mm.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:07:58 AM UTC-6 cdres...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know this has been covered before but still not quite sure what the
>>>>> max tire size is for a Rambouillet. Mine is a 2003 and right now I run
>>>>> 700x25 with plastic fenders. When I replace those tires with larger ones
>>>>> but it looks pretty tight to go no more than a 28. Herse has the Chinook
>>>>> (28) and the Cayuse Pass (26).
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ramouillet max tire

[David Hallerman]

Hi. Not clear how the Tektro R539s give more clearance than, say, Shimano
R-600 brakes. Or were you talking about other Shimano brakes?

Dave, who has R-600s on his Rambouillet but is always looking for more tire
space

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> Forgot to mention: I upgraded to the Tektro R539 brakes on my bike which
> help alot.  Wife's still has the stock Shmano brakes.  I'm not sure why Riv
> doesn't still sell the Tektros.  I thougth that, like the R559, they were
> their own design.
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:28:04 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> It changed a little over time, with the later  ones having a bit more
>> clearance than the first-run orange ones.   I think the green ones were the
>> last (?) so, presumably, they have at least as good as the blue ones.
>> Additionally, my own experience tells me that there is a bit of
>> difference between the 700c and 559 wheel size frames.
>>
>> My 60 cm / 700c 2006 blue one has 33.33 jack browns and sks (esge)
>> fenders with plenty of clearance.  That's the most I could do though, and
>> the brakes are the limiting factor.  As the literature at the time
>> suggested, I think it would fit a 37 mm without a fender
>>
>> My wife has a same-year 50 cm / 559 frame and it would have a little less
>> clearance because the rear brake bridge is installed sliightly lower
>> relative to the rim.  She's happy with a 1" (28mm) tire and no fenders
>> though.   It might fit a 32mm.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:07:58 AM UTC-6 cdres...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know this has been covered before but still not quite sure what the
>>> max tire size is for a Rambouillet. Mine is a 2003 and right now I run
>>> 700x25 with plastic fenders. When I replace those tires with larger ones
>>> but it looks pretty tight to go no more than a 28. Herse has the Chinook
>>> (28) and the Cayuse Pass (26).
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[David Wadstrup]

Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me.  But, 
I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a max pbh 
for this large frame.

Thanks,

David
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bump. $3000 +shipping. 
>
> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
> Nitto S65 seatpost.
> DXR brakes and levers. 
> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
> Silver cranks.
> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit very 
>> often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax return 
>> season is coming. Haha. 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv niche 
>>> so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is coming! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty good deal 
>>>> so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in a rush for now 
>>>> but 
>>>> if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it again soon! I took 
>>>> the saddle of to help temptation.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't entertain 
>>>>> low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best size, best color, 
>>>>> best 
>>>>> wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just needs to realize it.  
>>>>> I 
>>>>> wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my orange one.  Someone 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> going to be very happy though
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 13-42 
>>>>>> cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is ready to go!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers are 
>>>>>>>> welcome! I will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels as well 
>>>>>>>> though. 
>>>>>>>> People have asked but the offer has to be reasonable. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:29:10 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I decided not to sell the SimWorks Sugar built wheels so I thought 
>>>>>>>>> I’d post some pictures of it right now. In the middle of cleaning the 
>>>>>>>>> drivetrain so that’s why the cassette and chain are off. I was going 
>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>> swap the brake levers for the Shimano DXR to match the brakes and 
>>>>>>>>> lower the 
>>>>>>>>> price. (Ran out of time so the Paul levers are still pictured)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rich built WI hub wheelset.
>>>>>>>>> 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
>>>>>>>>> Nitto S65 seatpost.
>>>>>>>>> DXR brakes and levers. 
>>>>>>>>> 2.5” Teravail Ehline
>>>>>>>>> Silver cranks.
>>>>>>>>> Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Asking $3250 + shipping 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:38:48 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>&

[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Tallux Stem - 11cm, 25.4mm

[David B]

Stem obtained!
Thanks,
David

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:47:48 PM UTC-6 David B wrote:

> Looking to swap up the stem on my Clem - originally built this with 
> Albatross bars, switched to Wavie which I've been running for a few years, 
> but the 12cm stem has always been a touch long. Interested to see how a 
> 11cm would feel. Also doing a canti to v-brake swap so figured this would 
> be a good time to play around with stem reach. But, Rivendell is out of 
> stock in the size I need. So... looking for...
>
> Nitto Tallux stem (the cold forged, 225mm height version that Riv sells)
> 25.4mm clamp
> 11 cm extension.
> Interested in used or new condition.
>
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Tallux Stem - 11cm, 25.4mm

[David B]

Looking to swap up the stem on my Clem - originally built this with 
Albatross bars, switched to Wavie which I've been running for a few years, 
but the 12cm stem has always been a touch long. Interested to see how a 
11cm would feel. Also doing a canti to v-brake swap so figured this would 
be a good time to play around with stem reach. But, Rivendell is out of 
stock in the size I need. So... looking for...

Nitto Tallux stem (the cold forged, 225mm height version that Riv sells)
25.4mm clamp
11 cm extension.
Interested in used or new condition.

Thanks,
David
River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: Single-Bolt Stem Spreading Options

[David Person]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002INOFSA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Powerbuilt Internal Snap Ring Pliers

On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-8 MTR wrote:

> Throw some masking tape over a flat head or whatever you use to spread the 
> stem to prevent scratches. I didn’t find the towel rack bars tight to get 
> on a nitto dirt drop stem, but your experience may vary. 
>
> Best, 
> Morgan 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 5:27:37 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've got some towel rack drop bars on the way to me that will be going on 
>> my newly acquired AHH. I was planning on picking up one of the tools nitto 
>> makes specifically for spreading single-bolt stems but Crust was out of 
>> stock. I've installed plenty of bars using the ole flat head method, which 
>> always works, but i usually end up with a scratch or two. Anybody got any 
>> good alternative methods I'm not thinking of?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Brian
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[David Pulsipher]

beautiful work Eric - thank you for sharing with us!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
> which I shaped and finished. 
>
> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks for lookin'! 
>

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Re: [RBW] New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[David Hays]

Beautiful build!

David Hays

> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Here are some close-ups I took once I discovered the "macro" mode on my 
> partner's ancient Nikon DSLR: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have a 
> full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg 
> <https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg>
> 
> 
> 
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for the 
> saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to Rob 
> Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also stripped 
> the frame to raw steel. 
> 
> 
> 
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
> 
> 
> 
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. De-anodized 
> some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR RD-M952. Dead stock 
> WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. Lots of Suntour, some 
> TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto Shaka bars, MKS bear 
> trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
> 
> 
> 
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo which I 
> shaped and finished. 
> 
> 
> 
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR M900 
> in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at my 
> local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat Trap 
> Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
> 
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
> 
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
> 
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>  
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