[RBW] Re: 2024 Appaloosa has arrived. Considering putting it together myself but have never done this.

[Edwin W]

Dan,

You should DEFINITELY do it yourself... but not to save money! You will 
learn a great deal, but of course "tuition comes in many forms." You will 
pay dearly with long hours, buying new tools, taking forever to do simple 
steps, etc... and at the end you will have your very own bike that you put 
together and all of the fame and fortune that will be showered on to you by 
admiring fans. OK, no fame or fortune, but you will learn a lot for ongoing 
maintenance and if you are all like me, you will walk taller and be proud 
of what you have accomplished!

Good luck and let us know how it turns out,

Edwin

On Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 1:00:45 PM UTC-5 michaelj...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> I’ve been doing all my bike building for 40+ years. I taught myself a fair 
> bit from books, but learned more hanging out in a friend’s bike shop. 
> There’s a lot that’s not intuitive, but we have the advantage of YouTube 
> videos now. A few tips:
>
> Rule 1: Grease all close fitting or threaded metal-to-metal contact, 
> especially steel to aluminum contact. Pedal threads, seat posts, and 
> handlebar stems are particularly critical points. If you don’t grease 
> these, at some point electrolytic corrosion will make them seize up 
> permanently. Get a tube of bicycle grease or waterproof marine grease.
>
> A bike stand makes this a LOT easier. I did my first bikes by standing 
> them upside down. I’ve got two bike stands today. 
>
> Pedals are easy- you need a 15mm wrench, and you should know that the left 
> side pedal has a left-hand thread.
>
> Handlebar stems: You need a 6mm Allen wrench, aka hex key.
> Brakes and shifters: Generally a 5mm allen wrench
>
> You’ll need a proper cable cutter and some crimp-on cable ends for the 
> brake and derailleur cables. Don’t try to cut them with ordinary side 
> cutters.
>
> On Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 1:37:54 PM UTC-4 Dan wrote:
>
>> So my beautiful Appaloosa has arrived. I am practically foaming at the 
>> mouth as I type. As I am sure most of you are aware, Rivendell sends 
>> complete bikes mostly built with the exception of the stem, seat tube 
>> saddle and pedals. I originally planned on bring my bike to a shop to have 
>> them complete the build for me but after some shopping around, the shops 
>> will charge a full build fee which averages around $150. That is far too 
>> much for such little work in my opinion.
>>
>> I am no bike mechanic. I have always enjoyed tinkering though so I have 
>> half a mind to attempt to put the rest together myself and then bring it to 
>> a shop to be tuned, which would cost much less than a "full build". 
>>
>> Should I go ahead and give it a shot? I have access to the proper tools, 
>> I just do not know where to start and obviously do not want to damage 
>> anything in the process.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] An attempted RoadUno reconfiguration failure

[Edwin W]

Bill,

If god wanted you to use a tensioner with a single speed, she wouldn't have 
created track ends. 

Seriously, I will be interested to hear how this shakes out, and what you 
discover, as it is a bit baffling why a multi gear freewheel will work and 
a single speed freewheel would not. 

Edwin

On Thursday, September 26, 2024 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 philip@gmail.com 
wrote:

> That's interesting Bill. 
>
> While finishing mine this week I ran into the same or similar issue using 
> an 8pd chain, Paul Melvin and a White Industries 46/38 upfront.
>
> The freewheel in question was old and not great, mind you.
>
> I tried using an old Dura Ace RD instead of the Melvin. Same issue.
>
> I replaced the shitty freewheel with a new White Industries 19T and 
> reduced the chain to the shortest length I could get away with and still 
> shift gears smoothly in the stand.
>
> I've only ridden it around a few blocks, unloaded, so far, but it's now as 
> smooth as smooth could be.
>
> I'm surious to see, based on your experience, if it feels the same way 
> tomorrow on its maiden, longer voyage... I'll throw a few things in the 
> basket just to load it down some and put it through its paces properly...
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 11:54 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> My first instantiation of my 58cm RoadUno was as a 14-speed, as 
>> immortalized in Will's email update.  I used my wheel set which has a 
>> customized 120mm O.L.D. cassette hub which fits 7 cogs from a 9 speed 
>> cassette, updated with 10-speed spacers on what was traditionally a 5-speed 
>> spaced rear hub.  Naturally we call it 7of9with10on5.  
>>
>> I had it set up that way for a Mount Diablo Summit, and having done that, 
>> I wanted to reconfigure it with the stock wheels for normal city use.  I 
>> put the stock Saint Jump wheels on there, with a White Industries 
>> freewheel, using my Suntour rear derailleur as a tensioner.  
>>
>> Pics prove it:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/54022678302/in/dateposted/
>>
>> Problem was that in the stand, the chain was wanting to rise off the cog 
>> on my brand new DOS ENO freewheel.  It was worse on the 19 than the 16, but 
>> clearly it wanted to rise off on both of them just pedaling.  Weird.  I 
>> attributed it in part to the goopy factory lube on a brand-new SRAM 870 
>> chain, and lubed it up and went to bed.  In the morning, I tried it out in 
>> the stand again and it was still riding up the cog.  I went into my 
>> freewheel box and found a USED White Industries single freewheel, 18T, and 
>> fired that on.  In the stand, that was perfecto, and that's what is in the 
>> photograph linked above.  
>>
>> I rode down the hill that night to the local family grocery store for 
>> cilantro and few mushrooms for a soup.  Turning back up the hill, 
>> DISASTER.  Under load, the same riding up and skipping was happening.  I 
>> took the most shallow slope back up the 400ft hill to my house, and put the 
>> bike up in the stand.  
>>
>> I returned the 10-speed spaced chain on there, that I had been using with 
>> my 7of9with10on5 configuration, and rode that around the block.  Same 
>> skipping under load.  
>>
>> I called it a failure and put the 7speed rear wheel back on, which is 
>> still perfecto.  
>>
>> My top hypothesis is that in a tensioner configuration, the system wants 
>> more tension from the tensioner than my 35 year old Suntour RD is 
>> providing.  I may experiment with shortening the chain to the minimum 
>> length for the two-speed configuration.  Some Suntour Rear Derailleurs have 
>> two different holes for the spring, so one can effectively make the spring 
>> a little stronger.  That would be experiment #2.  Finally, I may borrow the 
>> Paul Melvin from my 3x1 Romulus, to see if that's a far better tensioner.  
>> That Romulus 3x1 drivetrain has been perfect.  For now it's a two speed, 
>> but it is running on the 18T cog of a 7sp cassette.  
>>
>> Maybe this is all just the universe telling me to buy a purple anodized 
>> Melvin?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: September Diablo Summit on the RoadUno

[Edwin W]

Bill,

Looks great! 

Tell us more about the rear rack and "thumb screws".. I think it deserves 
its own post.

Edwin

On Saturday, September 14, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I did my ninth Diablo Summit of 2024 today, once every month and now on 
> nine different bikes.  This time I rode my new RoadUno, obviously with 
> 14-speeds.  It was my first summit of the year on flat pedals and casual 
> shoes.  My seat tube mounted rear shifter worked a charm.  The bike 
> descends extremely well, and I enjoyed the variety of positions on the 
> Choco bars.  I got some funny looks from the East Bay Roadies, but received 
> an enthusiastic greeting from a Riv Road rider, and from a guy on a 
> Brompton.  
>
> Pics Prove It:
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53995544180/in/album-72177720313832831
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53994229127/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53995356138/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> So now the "Uno" on my RoadUno signifies it being the first of its model 
> to the top of Mount Diablo.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Edwin W]

Hahaha, I love this conversation.

I agree with Bill Lindsay on almost anything he writes except for his 
argument that the primary use of a bike named the Roaduno is as a two speed!

What I think happened is that Grant designed a single speed, named it a 
Roaduno, and then thought, wait, what other cool/not usual ways can I set 
this up that captures my style and desire for a bike. that is his way to 
ride the bike and he popped a derailer hanger and a shifter boss on there 
to make that easy.

But only Grant could settle this debate that I am sure will take over the 
internet, wink wink.

Edwin



On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use 
> as the single speed signified by the name?"
>
> This is fascinating.  An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard 
> for bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible 
> platforms to fixies.  That individual doubles-down on that disregard by 
> brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie.  That same individual then 
> makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that 
> matters is their own opinion.  And then, with extreme earnestness, argues 
> that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that 
> bicycle.  
>
> Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth that 
> encode their specific intent in their name?  If that list is empty, then 
> why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by your 
> interpretation of its name?
>
> It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a 
> tensioner.  I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner.  I 
> am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated 
> single-purpose tensioner hanger.  
> It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a 
> solo left-side down tube shifter boss.  I call that the intent that the 
> build include a left side shifter.
> The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings.  I call 
> that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings.  
> The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno). 
> Grant's build is not a single speed.  Grant celebrates and encourages 
> using a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner.  I call that the 
> intent to run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno.  
>
> I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is a 
> genius format.  If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I 
> would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm 
> O.L.D.  I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge 
> before the bike design was finished in its evolution.  That's why I call my 
> RoadUno a RoDeuxNo.  Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine.  
>
> I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can 
> absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie.  If that's what 
> they decide to do, I hope they love it.   I think people who want a single 
> speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno 
> as a single speed.  If that's what they do, I hope they love it.  I think 
> the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone 
> ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical dropouts. 
>  I like the track ends.  I like how they look, and I like that they are 
> proprietary.  I like that they look like a monster.  I like the rack eyelet 
> they present.  I have a rear-hub workaround that will achieve the wheel 
> removal ease of vertical dropouts, and will also enable a perfect fender 
> treatment, which is the other benefit of vertical dropouts.  I think the 
> track ends earn an ALTERNATIVE build option for those who don't want to go 
> with the primary intent of the bike.  I get it that some people hate the 
> look of a tensioner, or just dislike the existence of a tensioner.  I'm 
> sure somebody is going to take their dremel tool to the hanger on their 
> RoadUno, which they have every right to do.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed 
>> instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if 
>> you see what I (1) mean.
>>
>> I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my 
>> question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set 
>> it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free.
>>
>> Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use 
>> as the single speed signified by the name?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or 
>>> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding

Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Edwin W]

Bill,

I have set my Roaduno up as a fixie for a couple of reasons, but only one 
may apply to you: to experience a bike in a very simple form! Pedal 
forward, your bike moves forward, pedal backward, your bike moves backward, 
resist the forward movement of your pedals, the bike slows. 
I can't say it is the "best" or the absolutely most simple, or the most 
elegant way to set up a bike, but it is all of those things. When you have 
a stable as grand and nuanced as yours, I think one fixed gear would fit 
quite nicely. Maybe you need to get another Crust lightning bolt SS frame 
for that!

Here are a few pictures as I build it, improve it, complicate it, and move 
it closer to look like my appaloosa: 
https://flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/albums/72177720319888300

Edwin

On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 12:14:17 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "With my lowish bb Riv fixie custom, back when I rode 22 mm actual 559 
> Michelin Pro Races (currently plump 27 mm RH Elk Passes, wish they were 30 
> mm, labeled 32 mm) I'd very occasionally hit a pedal in turns, but as I 
> generally am not a demon corner-er, it was never a real problem."
>
> It's true that somebody who takes corners exceptionally slowly may not 
> care about BB drop.  What are the reasons why you think any individual 
> cyclist should or would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a 
> single speed with a freewheel?  I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would 
> never set up my new RoadUno as a fixie*.  Do you have any reasons why I 
> would or should set up my new RoadUno as a fixie?  
>
> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that 
> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 7:32:46 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Aha, got it. My fixed gear road custom has a large bb drop (forget 
>> exactly what, but with the fixed gear it was designed to use tires as small 
>> as 24 real inches in diameter -- 559 X 23 mm -- and Grant was careful to 
>> ask me about the narrowest tires I planned to use.
>>
>> Regarding previous threads on the rack -- it's this one: 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-rack-m1-20108:
>>
>> I didn't read the thread or threads so sorry for the repeat; but then 
>> again, we'd lose list continuity were there not so many thread repeats. (I 
>> read about 50% of the Boblist and of the RBW list and perhaps 17.379% of 
>> the CR list -- seriously, about 25%.)
>>
>> David P: agree: install a front brake! All my fixed gears have a front 
>> brake (and some even have a rear).
>>
>> With my lowish bb Riv fixie custom, back when I rode 22 mm actual 559 
>> Michelin Pro Races (currently plump 27 mm RH Elk Passes, wish they were 30 
>> mm, labeled 32 mm) I'd very occasionally hit a pedal in turns, but as I 
>> generally am not a demon corner-er, it was never a real problem.
>>
>> Idiots overloading racks: One reason Chauncey Matthews stopped building 
>> bikes was an instance where a rack he built for a custom frame cracked -- 
>> which he had to replace -- when the rider was (said Chauncey) carrying a 
>> hugely heavy toolkit on it while riding off road; my recollection of the 
>> conversation. More about idiots: 2000 Prez election, Florida, when "hanging 
>> chads" caused miscounts. The CEO of the voting machine on primetime news 
>> was asked about making a more idiot-proof system. He replied: "Oh, we can 
>> make a more idiot-proof system, but then they'd only invent bigger idiots."
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 5:59 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Riv is concerned the bottom bracket drop (80mm IIRC) is too low for a 
>>> fixed gear—pedal strike concern. 
>>>
>>> I would run it fixed without hesitation. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[Edwin W]

Coming along step by step: a few more pictures here, showing clearance with 
gravel king 38s
https://flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/albums/72177720319888300/

Edwin

On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 1:19:10 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:

> Thanks for the comments, all.
>
> @shoji, I think there’s ample room for fenders. However, those Mavic rims 
> are fairly narrow; I haven’t measured the tires, but I’d guess they’re a 
> bit short of 44mm wide.
>
> @ryan, current gearing is 45/18, which is largely a flatland gear for me. 
> I’ll likely go with 44/28 x 20t freewheel when I convert it to 2 x 1.
>
> I have some hankering to take this bike to ride Cino in Montana next 
> month, but then I’d need to go with 3 x 1 gearing with a serious climbing 
> gear.
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 2:18:54 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Mine is a 61.5, saddle height is not set finally, but is not far off my 
>> goal of 80-81cm
>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 12:50:42 PM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> I assume this one is a 58? What is the saddle height on yours?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am just starting my build.. as usual learning a lot along the way 
>>> even though this is the simplest build I could possibly do!
>>>
>>>
>>> I will add as I proceed to this album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBFggA
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:11:50 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_4524.jpeg]Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno 
>>>> yesterday and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube 
>>>> angle! Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned 
>>>> that the stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening 
>>>> against the threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, 
>>>> I’m 
>>>> very pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank 
>>>> to top of saddle.
>>>>
>>>> I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 
>>>> configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil 
>>>> Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my 
>>>> Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. 
>>>> As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample 
>>>> clearance. I’m very happy about that.
>>>>
>>>> One pic attached; others here: 
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74
>>>>
>>>> Neal Lerner
>>>> Brookline MA
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[Edwin W]

Mine is a 61.5, saddle height is not set finally, but is not far off my 
goal of 80-81cm
On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 12:50:42 PM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote:

> I assume this one is a 58? What is the saddle height on yours?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
>
> I am just starting my build.. as usual learning a lot along the way even 
> though this is the simplest build I could possibly do!
>
>
> I will add as I proceed to this album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBFggA
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:11:50 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_4524.jpeg]Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno yesterday 
>> and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube angle! 
>> Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned that the 
>> stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening against the 
>> threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, I’m very 
>> pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank to 
>> top of saddle.
>>
>> I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 
>> configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil 
>> Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my 
>> Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. 
>> As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample 
>> clearance. I’m very happy about that.
>>
>> One pic attached; others here: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74
>>
>> Neal Lerner
>> Brookline MA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno v.1

[Edwin W]

I am just starting my build.. as usual learning a lot along the way even 
though this is the simplest build I could possibly do!

I will add as I proceed to this album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBFggA

Edwin

On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:11:50 AM UTC-5 nlerner wrote:

> [image: IMG_4524.jpeg]Finished building up my 54.5 cm Roaduno yesterday 
> and took it for a short test ride. Very smooth! Slack seat tube angle! 
> Amazingly tall stack height! In terms of the last, I’m concerned that the 
> stem I’m using is too short and that the wedge is tightening against the 
> threaded part of the steerer; I need to measure. Size-wise, I’m very 
> pleased. For reference, my saddle height is 73cm from center of crank to 
> top of saddle.
>
> I have it set up as a single speed now, but will likely go for a 2 x 1 
> configuration once I’ve finished building a set of wheels (vintage Phil 
> Wood hubs and Sun M13 polished rims). Current bolt-on wheels are from my 
> Milwaukee single speed, which can only run max 30mm tires without fenders. 
> As shown the Roaduno is set up with 700 x 44 RH tires, and there’s ample 
> clearance. I’m very happy about that.
>
> One pic attached; others here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/8858391@N04/Ctp08nZo74
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Edwin W]

Exactly! The years long mystery has been solved

On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 11:12:18 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> That's only the case if one deliberately misrepresents the size of 
> bicycles in the context of sloping top tubes.  Are you speculating that 
> Patrick Moore was teasingly threatening to broadcast to the world "Grant 
> insists that I ride a bike 6cm smaller than what I asked for!"?  If Patrick 
> Moore did that, it would be a deliberate misrepresentation.  I guess if 
> somebody threatened Grant "I'm going to deliberately misrepresent your 
> bicycle designs to the public" then it would be perfectly natural for Grant 
> to respond "Don't you dare".  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 7:56:06 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> A (ish) That while Grant was proselytizing that everyone has been 
>> undersized and should be on bigger sizes, for this guy who actually has 
>> embraced that big frame idea and small bit of seat post showing for a long 
>> time Grant is actually going to be DOWN sizing him to a 54.
>>
>>
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> What was it that Patrick Moore teasingly threatened to broadcast that 
>>> Grant did not want broadcast?
>>>
>>> A. That Grant would design a 54cm frame for an adult human that thinks 
>>> they need a 60cm frame?
>>> B. That Grant would allow "road" tubing to be used in an all-rounder 
>>> clone?
>>> C. That Grant would charge for a custom what was actually just an 
>>> All-Rounder and not a new design?
>>> D. Some other thing?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:09:46 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> You've told that story a hundred times, and I still don't comprehend 
>>>> what the "this" is that you were threatening to broadcast but that Grant 
>>>> did not want you to broadcast.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:50:28 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lol. When I ordered my first road custom in late 1994 I asked Grant to 
>>>>> build me a road bike like my '92 XO-1 but "better." (He said, "Oh, it'll 
>>>>> be 
>>>>> better.")
>>>>>
>>>>> He used the AR as a basic template tho' with road tubing and lugs, so 
>>>>> it was 54 cm c-c (again, I'm 60 c-c for a level tt fistful road bike). I 
>>>>> told him teasingly that I was going to broadcast this -- even then he was 
>>>>> known for proselytizing about big frames -- and he said, "Don't you dare."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:57 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this." 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was 
>>>>>>> happy to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that 
>>>>>>> others 
>>>>>>> would demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why 
>>>>>>> Will 
>>>>>>> put in the language that Riv can't replicate my build.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Edwin W]

A (ish) That while Grant was proselytizing that everyone has been 
undersized and should be on bigger sizes, for this guy who actually has 
embraced that big frame idea and small bit of seat post showing for a long 
time Grant is actually going to be DOWN sizing him to a 54.



Edwin

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What was it that Patrick Moore teasingly threatened to broadcast that 
> Grant did not want broadcast?
>
> A. That Grant would design a 54cm frame for an adult human that thinks 
> they need a 60cm frame?
> B. That Grant would allow "road" tubing to be used in an all-rounder clone?
> C. That Grant would charge for a custom what was actually just an 
> All-Rounder and not a new design?
> D. Some other thing?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:09:46 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> You've told that story a hundred times, and I still don't comprehend what 
>> the "this" is that you were threatening to broadcast but that Grant did not 
>> want you to broadcast.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:50:28 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Lol. When I ordered my first road custom in late 1994 I asked Grant to 
>>> build me a road bike like my '92 XO-1 but "better." (He said, "Oh, it'll be 
>>> better.")
>>>
>>> He used the AR as a basic template tho' with road tubing and lugs, so it 
>>> was 54 cm c-c (again, I'm 60 c-c for a level tt fistful road bike). I told 
>>> him teasingly that I was going to broadcast this -- even then he was known 
>>> for proselytizing about big frames -- and he said, "Don't you dare."
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:57 AM Sarah Carlson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to do this." 

 On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning.  Of course I was 
> happy to oblige.  Will indicated it was Grant who was concerned that 
> others 
> would demand that Riv replicate the Lindsay treatment, which is why Will 
> put in the language that Riv can't replicate my build.  
>
> BL in EC
>

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ro-Deux-No build notes New Bike Day

[Edwin W]

Bill,

Thanks for those photos. That makes me feel good about my gravel king 
slicks + 38 x 700 choice. And with the option of in the future possible 
doing fenders.

Frame comes next week,

Edwin
Nashville

On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 11:48:32 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Keith
>
> Short of a contextual reply from you I added a few shots just for you in 
> my "photo-shoot" this morning.  Here they are:
>
> 1. Chainstay shot: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53942718939/in/album-72177720319657823
> 2. Rear Brake area shot: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53942634628/in/album-72177720319657823/
> 3. Front Brake area shot: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53942842180/in/album-72177720319657823/
>
> Pictured are true 36.5mm tires on 25mm rims (outside width).  The model is 
> Gravel King SK 700x35.  There are some notes in the photos on Flickr.  
>
> Without knowing from you, my guess is that you are brainstorming getting 
> cantilever posts installed on a RoadUno and want to know whether "tire X" 
> will work.  I've got lots of mountain bike tires, the narrowest of which is 
> probably about 55mm.  I'm 98% certain that a 55mm 29er tire will not work. 
>  I also have Supple Vitesse 700x48 tires.  I'm 85% sure that would clear. 
>  If you need (need!) me to pull the brake calipers and install the 700x48s 
> onto a representative wheel set, and photograph that configuration for you, 
> then let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 11:03:50 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Beautiful, Bill.  I suspect you'll be responsible for a number of new 
>> Roaduno sales in the near future, as people see your bike.
>>
>> When you have time, would you mind sharing some close-up pictures of tire 
>> clearances at the chain stays, seat stay brake bridge bridge and fork crown 
>> areas?   You build too quickly.  What I've really been dying to know is how 
>> big of a tire can be fit WITHOUT caliper brakes installed.  (I've been 
>> half-heartedly toying with a couple of alternative brake ideas since the 
>> Roaduno project shifted from a canti-clem to a caliper-homer format.)  I 
>> dont expect you to disassmle or try different tires but, for anyone else 
>> reading this and getting ready to start their own build, I'd appreciate any 
>> insights if it's convenient.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 9:32:35 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Good initial instruction, good tools, and lots of practice.  That's my 
>>> formula for developing that confidence and mechanics' instinct.  I think 
>>> most procedures really sink in after you fail one or more times, but 
>>> failing at this operation on a new frame would be a bummer.  If you are 
>>> nervous, have a pro do it.  If you want the practice, find a pro that will 
>>> oversee you doing it.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 8:12:56 AM UTC-7 Michael Connors wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill. I am nervous about running a tap in the RD hanger.  How do you 
 make sure that you are in the existing thread and not cutting a new one?



 Thread chasing was necessary on the RD hanger, but it was aligned 
 perfectly.  Most but not all of the H2O bolt and fender bolt bosses were 
 already chased.  It was all straightforward prep for a mechanic.  There 
 was 
 no BB cable guide included, but I had those on-hand.  I installed a 
 Shimano 
 CX70 front der and a White Industries DOS ENO 16/19 freewheel.  I 
 installed 
 a Suntour Sprint down tube shifter on the shifter boss, with my own custom 
 machined stop that causes it to sit proud of the down tube in the 
 small-ring position.  

 With the faceplater stem pretty much slammed, and the saddle at my 
 height, I'm happy at the silhouette of the bike.  I'm eager to get a chain 
 on it and start riding it.  

 Have a look:  
 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720319657823

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA



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[RBW] Re: RoadUno build anticipation

[Edwin W]

My appaloosa is albatrossed, geared, racked, fendered, and dynamo lit up.
I am going to start my roaduno (61 purple) as different as possible: 
bullmoose bar, fixed and stripped down.

And then before long I am sure I will add fenders, racks and dynamo 
lighting! 

We will see,

Edwin

On Wednesday, August 14, 2024 at 6:58:37 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm eagerly waiting for the container to get to Walnut Creek.  Today my 
> grips came in.  I'm going with a Silver RoadUno, which features purples in 
> the graphics.  I bought purple Vans Lock on grips, whose clamps match a 
> very cool oil slick purple Affinity 15mm mini ratchet wrench that I already 
> had.  In front of the brake levers I'll run eggplant Newbaums, which I'll 
> wrap over a layer of ESI silicon tape.   
>
> A pic proves it:  
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53923848393/in/album-72177720319534027
>
> I've started an album to capture the build.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Handlebar

[Edwin W]

I am all set, thank you all so much for your help.

Edwin

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[RBW] WTB: Handlebar

[Edwin W]

Good Riv folks,

I am looking for a swept back bar for an upcoming build. I was thinking 
something between a MAP Ahearne 

 (less 
sweep back) and a Riv Choco 

 (almost 
all the way swept back)... I know they are quite different, but I would be 
open to seeing what people have lying around.

Thanks,
Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Help me lighten up Sam

[Edwin W]

Great suggestions from the group... I especially like "don't worry about 
it."

One other great place to lose weight: your body. How much do you weigh? How 
satisfied are you with your weight, fitness, and percent body fat? I 
remember Grant once wrote something like: sit in a chair with your shirt 
off, lean forward 45 degrees and look in the mirror. If that is an image 
you cannot improve, look for weight savings on the bike.

But of course most of us have quite an opportunity to save some weight 
through diet (mostly) and exercise (a bit).

Good luck and nice looking (and well outfitted) bike,

Edwin

On Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 7:48:37 AM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think your best opportunity there are wheels and saddle.  Is it worth 
> asking if the dynamo and lights get used enough to be worth the weight 
> penalty? If you want lighter touring, maybe frame bags might save some 
> weight over racks and panniers. I don't know that you're going to shave a 
> bunch of weight off.  
>
> Will
> On Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 8:34:49 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> You've validated many of your specs, most not being of the path of least 
>> resistance monetarily. You had to pause and consider each of those. 
>>
>> On one of my favorite 80 mile rides knowing the route lets me carry less 
>> water and make it a point to stop and refill where I know I can. An extra 
>> 28 ounces is almost 2 pounds. The stops also break up the terminal grind 
>> that sets in on long pulls between breaks. Those grinds get a steeper 
>> decline as the day goes on. Blame it on the effort required to move you, 
>> your bike and its load across the terrain or yourself for being less 
>> genetically like one of the noteworthy pros. I ride for fun and 
>> exhilaration of being outside, it keeps me fit. No one goes to the gym and 
>> brags about how little they lift in the rep sets.  
>>
>> I'm no randonneur and never raced so I can go about my riding without 
>> worrying that my bike is too heavy. I stayed with the lead bunch on a group 
>> ride Tuesday, my Rambouillet was no excuse for how I felt afterward. I was 
>> the performance limitation despite the commentary by those who now do not 
>> even have memory of metal framed bikes and think of them as antiquities. Two 
>> Spaniards here for school were particularly surprised by my bike. The one 
>> from Girona needed more gears (or legs) on his Colnago for the hot and 
>> humid climbing, the one from Barcelona ate his superbike's rear derailleur 
>> trying to shift on the steepest climb bending it and his dropout, tangling 
>> in his (eight?) DS spokes. 
>>
>> Carefully selected tools may best do a particular job but are also the 
>> least used because their specificity has little tolerance for widened use, 
>> often with costly consequences. I went light on my rear wheel hub for my 
>> custom 650B the other year with a Suzue Classica high flange (2 pawl) 
>> cassette hub. The aluminum cassette body has become chewed by the cogs by 
>> my riding, loads and hills, now creaking annoyingly when pedal load is 
>> reduced, every stroke. It's the only adventitious sound on my bike and 
>> impetus for getting a Silver cassette hub with six pawls and a steel body 
>> built on a matching rim by Rich at RWB which just arrived and is lovely. 
>>
>> I have a 3/4" rabbet plane (blade goes edge to edge across the width of 
>> its open sided block). I got it to level the door stop on several very 
>> large doors I had made pre-hung (with three sides of jamb and installed 
>> stop). The installed stop didn't have consistent contact with the closed 
>> door due to the nature of wood, it got some waviness when drying after 
>> milling that prevents evenly seating against them when closed. The plane 
>> let me address the issue of the high spots effectively and directly as a 
>> cost, labor and material conservative option. An unbelievably effective 
>> tool that I have used very little since then, its cost more than justified, 
>>  but there it sits. I don't have the room for bikes of that sort of 
>> specificity. 
>>
>> Ride. What you've got.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 7:40:12 PM UTC-4 Bob Warner wrote:
>>
>>> Would be grateful for reasonable/cost conscious suggestions for how to 
>>> shed some weight from my Sam; which is currently is weighing in at 31.3# 
>>> with the following configuration:
>>>
>>>- Velocity Dyad 36 / Ultegra 6500 rear with Ultegra 6700 12-30 
>>>cassette; Velocity Dyad 32 with SP Dynamo & BM IQ-X
>>>- Nitto 135mm Faceplater stem + Nitto Billie Bars; Newbaums & Oury 
>>>grips
>>>- Sugino XD-2 crank
>>>- Paul Racer brakes & Paul Levers
>>>- Brooks B17 Special
>>>- Nitto S-83 seatpost
>>>- IRD QB-95 BB
>>>- Shimano 105 5701 long cage RD
>>>- Shimano 6500 FD
>>>- Tubus rear rack, Nitto M18 front rack
>>>- Blackburn SS cages
>>>- Berthoud SS fenders & RH Barlow Pass tires
>>>
>>

[RBW] Re: Where can I read try out a ton of different Rivendell models?

[Edwin W]

Your strategy is good (since it was very similar to mine in 2010): read a 
good bit about it, think about which bike you might get, go to Riv HQ (many 
reasons to be in Northern California at some point, right?) and try some 
out. You will enjoy the Rivendell ride quality (or your money back, haha) 
and you will buy one used or new. 
I had never spent that much on a bike before, despite owning many bikes. I 
got my first Hillborne used, frame only, and they gentleman who sold it to 
me gave me good advice: "the price isn't so bad if you always have one to 
sell!"

Edwin

On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 11:40:44 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Do they usually have most models for test-riding there?
>
> Riv Headquarters is several bays in an industrial park, big roll-up garage 
> space.  One of the bays is the "showroom".  There are usually about 20-25 
> built up demo bikes there.  Those demo bikes usually represent what is 
> available right now and sometimes what is going to be available very soon. 
>  Since the Leo Roadini is sold out in 54 and 57, I suspect they will not 
> have a 54cm or a 57cm demo Leo Roadini there for you to test ride.  Call 
> them, and discuss what you are thinking about and they'll help you 
> formulate a strategy.  Maybe they have a 57 Hillborne and can talk to you 
> about the subtle differences between a Hillborne and a Roadini.  At least 
> one of the employees runs a Roadini, and they are usually generous with 
> letting customers ride their bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've been riding a large Raleigh Cadent 1 which is a hybrid I bought in 
>> 2021. I attached a sizing chart!
>> [image: Sizing]
>>
>> Honestly, I started looking at flights to San Francisco and am leaning 
>> towards taking a week vacation before the school year starts back up to go 
>> try out some Rivendells. Do they usually have most models for test-riding 
>> there? Excited to go out there and see what it's like! Also thanks for the 
>> advice and stories Glenn and Jim. 
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 5:15:05 PM UTC-4 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> What kind of bikes have you been riding previously? 
>>> The reason I ask is that at 86CM PBH, you are probably "between" the 54 
>>> and 57. 
>>> If you walked into most shops, they would probably to put you on the 
>>> smaller bike for all the reasons we fear most shops.
>>> If you showed up in Walnut Creek and anyone at the RBWHQ&L got chatting 
>>> with you, they'd likely encourage you to try the larger size. 
>>>
>>> Also, if you are going for upright bars, that might change the equation 
>>> a bit. 
>>> If you are 5'11" with a true 86CM PBH, then you probably are a little 
>>> longer in the upper body 
>>>
>>> You might call them in Walnut Creek and be honest about your budget 
>>> restrictions and the fact you might not be buying it right away. They fit 
>>> folks well. 
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 2:04:48 PM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I should’ve stated in the original post, my bad. I’m thinking that a 54 
 cm Roadini would be a good fit since I’m 5’11 and have a PBH of 86 cm. 
 Please let me know if I’m wrong though!

 On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 8:32:27 AM UTC-4 mathiass...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Regarding the test rides: you should state your desired frame size 
> and/or your PBH. 
>
>
> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 3:25:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Finding a local Rivendell owner is a good idea, and you should 
>> definitely try to pursue that.  In 2024 it can be tricky to execute a 
>> Rivendell Acquisition Plan a year in advance.  If it's a year down the 
>> road 
>> because you are saving up the money then my advice is to plan on being 
>> patient twice.  Be patient now while you are saving up the money and 
>> trying 
>> to arrange your informal test ride stuff.  The second round of being 
>> patient will hinge on what is actually available for you to buy in the 
>> summer of 2025.  If you have your heart set on one particular thing, and 
>> that thing isn't available, then you'll have to react to that situation. 
>>  
>>
>> Big picture, if it's possible, I think it's a good idea in 2024 to be 
>> ready to react when the perfect bike presents itself to you. If a bike 
>> you 
>> want to own is available, buy it, because it may not be available to you 
>> later.  That's easier said than done, particularly if your tastes are 
>> fluid.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 9:36:53 AM UTC-7 anthony...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I'm interested in getting a Rivendell in a year or so, but I 
>>> wanted to try some out in the meantime. Does anyone know of any places 
>>> that 
>>> have readily available rivs (preferably 

[RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Edwin W]

I wonder how many they ordered of each iteration - with three colors and 5 
sizes of frames and five sizes of completes, that could be up to something 
like 150 bikes (frames and completes) if they got 5 of each iteration 
listed, or 300 if they got 10. Or something in between if they mixed and 
matched.

I hope they sell a lot and fill up their coffers!

61.5 purple frame,

Edwin

On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 3:25:35 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> They appear to be moving, but it's not a total frenzy like some other 
> releases in the past.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 12:13:50 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> One 54.5 in Ana Purple complete ordered. I decided that I like the high 
>> flange hubs on the wheelset and the new crankset so I ordered a complete 
>> instead of a frameset.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>>> Color preference?
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>>> of the stock components?
>>>
>>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Edwin W]

Bill,

That is an awesome offer! I wish I still lived in Berkeley... I would love 
to do that.

Sadly (for this reason) in Nashville,

Edwin

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 7:06:56 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>
>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
>> endorse it.  
>>
>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>>
>>> Marty
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Edwin W]

Like Bill, I feel like am exactly in between sizes, for me 58 and 61.5. I 
will build a bike with a frameset and parts I mostly have. 

*For those who are between sizes: *what are some of the things you are 
thinking about?

For me:

   - I will be riding single speed or fixed
   - For a bar: I will probably get a bar like the MAP ahearne. 
   - for a stem, I might get a slightly longer one for the 58, a slightly 
   shorter for the 61.5


I will be interested to hear everyone's thought process. 

Edwin
On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 9:34:39 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I 
> rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike 
> in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the Reach, 
> but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's short 
> on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could run a 
> 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem and low 
> rise flat bars.  
>
> I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac 
> will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of 
> multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha 
> ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.  
>
> One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the 
> silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light 
> grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of 
> black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would 
> be the only other color.  That could look really good.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>> Color preference?
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Edwin W]

Gene Hackman had a bike wreck at age 81 and survived with minimal injuries 
and could have said "thank god I wasn't wearing a helmet."
https://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/showbiz/hackman-accident/index.html

Now, I am not saying he had no injuries because he was not wearing a 
helmet, but if he HAD been wearing a helmet, everyone would have said it 
saved his life!

Edwin

On Tuesday, June 18, 2024 at 3:30:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> No one has ever said:
>
> “I had a bad bike wreck, thankfully I wasn’t wearing a helmet!"

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[RBW] Re: A PSA From Gordon Ramsay

[Edwin W]

The current advice (from doctors and public health types) seems to be 
binary: always wear a helmet when biking, never wear a helmet when walking 
or driving. That seems to be missing some nuance!

I would tweak it to say: consider a helmet when skiing fast, biking on 
single track, or biking very fast in a tight pack with friends. But then 
what about walking and driving (when most American TBIs happen)? Never? Not 
even in the most dangerous conditions: night time, snowy, icy or wet roads? 
Walking on ice or snow? No, it is quite safe, though when bad things 
happen, it is bad.

Edwin

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 3:28:33 PM UTC-5 tio ryan wrote:

> Here's my helmet origin story, if anybody cares:
>
> I got doored in July of 2011 (so I was told, no memory of the crash) and 
> spent 2 nights in the hospital. While recovering at home, I realized my 
> taste was altered and I no longer had *any* sense of smell. I saw 
> a neurologist, got a MRI, and was told this condition is called "anosmia" 
> and there was no treatment for it. However, it was possible my sense of 
> smell could someday return on its own. You might think that experience 
> would've scared me straight and I'd be a helmet-no-matter-what type of 
> rider, but alas. I did purchase my "dream" helmet after that crash, a 
> Catlike Compact, but I mostly wore it on my commutes to and from work. I 
> never wore a helmet when I was riding around for fun or going somewhere 
> other than the office — and I ride around nyc on a daily basis. 
>
> 12 years later (still without a sense of smell) I had an eerily similar 
> situation where I was riding my bike and regained consciousness in the back 
> of an ambulance, confused what led me there. Once again, I was without a 
> helmet. I hit my head pretty good this time too, requiring stitches in my 
> forehead, as well as a fractured rib (ouch). I unfortunately did not regain 
> my sense of smell, but I felt lucky to survive another TBI. Since then, 
> I've purchased a few different helmets and I don't ride my bike without one 
> on my head, plus quality lights & reflective gear at night. 
>
> -tio "life without a sense of smell is pretty bleak" ryan
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 11:24:22 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Very nicely put, Mathias. I can relate my experiences with riding on city 
>> streets, mountain biking, gravel riding, racing in crits, crashing in 
>> various ways, *etc.*, but it's all borderline article-of-faith stuff, 
>> anyway. While I used to wear a helmet on rides religiously between ages 15 
>> and 30, at some point I started to get massive headaches after just a half 
>> hour of doing so. I've tried many different shapes and brands, some costing 
>> upward of $250, same thing. So, for the past 15+ years, I've taken to 
>> riding mainly dirt roads and stopped wearing a helmet. My speed and 
>> position haven't changed. I've noticed two main things:  1) I don't get 
>> headaches from riding, and 2) more drivers give me greater courtesy / 
>> respect than before. 
>>
>> - Max "living on the edge" in A2 
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 8:41:41 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> The logic here is sound. Wear a helmet all the time.
>>>
>>> The issue is that the same logic applies to wearing a helmet while 
>>> driving. Most head injuries occur in car accidents. And then there's the 
>>> home, slip & falls etc. A biking buddy of mine slipped on ice and hit his 
>>> head, had to go to the hospital for a few days. No he wasn't wearing a 
>>> helmet. Wasn't cycling either. So what am I supposed to do, put on a helmet 
>>> when I get up in the morning? 
>>>
>>> I mix and match, and always wear it on group rides, which were the only 
>>> occasions I've crashed over the years. 
>>> To make matters more complicated, I seem to get more respect from, ah, 
>>> rural traffic when I'm wearing a ball cap. Strictly anecdotal, of course. 
>>>
>>> cheers -m
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 12:28:40 AM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:
>>>
 *TBI sorry all

 On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:27 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> I had a TBA as a result of a bike crash a number of years ago, and was 
> wearing a helmet. Had I not been, I'd be dead. So, I wear a helmet every 
> time. 
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:59:40 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> $0.02: If I get hit, I want my appearance to reflect that I ride to 
>> be safe and seen, not that I was being reckless or at the wrong place at 
>> the wrong time. The optics unfortunately matter despite the psychology 
>> backing up riding helmetless. All those who invented/coinvented the 
>> mountain bike and have a mustache get the green light though IMO.  
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 4:45:37 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Purple potato indeed!
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/food/article/2024/jun/16/gordon-ramsay-lucky-to-be-here-after-us-bike-crash
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

[RBW] Re: revisted topic: plestcher double leg kickstands (not) fitting on rivs

[Edwin W]

Like Tom, I give the outer leg a little nudge when I fold the twin legged 
on my Joe Appa with 50mm tires so that it does not rub.

I have always been a fan of kickstands in general, as well as fenders, 
racks and lights on all bikes, but honestly I have been using my kickstand 
a lot less lately! It is rare that there is nothing to lean it against AND 
I want to stop AND I want my bike upright. 

Edwin

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 12:33:28 AM UTC-5 eco...@aol.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_6959.jpg]
> I have both a Clem Jr L and a Joe Appaloosa and have Plestcher double 
> kickstands on both. I agree you have to make the fine adjustment to get it 
> to clear on both bikes and on the Clem I have to grab the far leg on the 
> stand with my toe and pull it towards me when I fold it up, but it still 
> clears a Ultradynamico Mars 2.2 's on that bike.
>
> [image: IMG_6859.jpg]
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Tom 
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 10:26:25 AM UTC-4 Frakern wrote:
>
>> Blue Lug put a double stand on our Clem Smith Jr when we bought it 
>> through them. After a while it would rub on the tires when we had fatter 
>> tires on it. As I recall when I took it back to Blue Lug and they adjusted 
>> it by rotating it slightly and tightening down the bolts. But they said it 
>> would eventually shift back and start rubbing again so this would need to 
>> be done every once in a while. In the end I filed down the legs a bit with 
>> a metal file where it was rubbing to try to give it more clearance. 
>>
>> Be aware though that if you're having a child carrier on the back rack 
>> the bike won't be stable even with the plestcher double. At least for us, 
>> the balance of the bike was such that with a child on the back seat the 
>> bike would lean on the back wheel with the front wheel in the air and be 
>> unstable. Without a child on the back seat the bike rests with the front 
>> wheel down and the back wheel up. We ended up getting a different stand 
>> that I can't recall the name of at the moment that was much larger and 
>> folded out more in a v shape towards the front of the bike that made it 
>> more stable. But as our son got older and heavier, the stand mount on the 
>> bike started to bend and wear out. So be careful. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20231130_045249926.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 2:44:25 PM UTC-7 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> I tried this sometime a year or two ago. 
>>>
>>> I am very close to finishing up a clem L that will be a dedicated kid 
>>> carrier (think mamafiet) with spoke protector, yepp budget seat, etc.
>>>
>>> i had a spare plestcher kickstand hanging around and wanted to get it on 
>>> the bike. i KNOW blue lug does this, and it really doesn't matter the size 
>>> tire. mine are not even close to maxed out on the bike and im still getting 
>>> the dreaded rub (got the same on my country appaloosa) 
>>>
>>> does anyone have any experience wit this? has anyone asked blue lug how 
>>> they do it? I am not a huge fan of single leggers and i don't really wan to 
>>> spend money on a different kickstand ( but i will) 
>>>
>>> i'd love to get the one i have working. but am curious as to a sure fire 
>>> way to do so. before anyone suggests, i've aready reached out to riv. they 
>>> don't have any real solutions. but i know one exists. im determined.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> michael
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Edwin W]

Where is that bridge? It is a beautiful shot with a good looking bike!

Edwin

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 7:47:16 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
> stem 
>  
> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>
> thank you
> JS
>

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[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Edwin W]

Max,

If you can ride one first, that will help you come to an answer... I had 
heard about Rivendell for many years, but it was not until I visited the 
Bay Area and went out to Riv HQ and rode a few bikes that I really 
understood how magically comfortable they feel. 

If you cannot get there, often there are people on this list not too far 
from you who could help you out.

Edwin in Nashville, if you are nearby..

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 10:44:35 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
> and I'm okay with that!
>
> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
> each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
> it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
> riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>
> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
> the itch to upgrade.
>
> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Max
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

[Edwin W]

Both bikes look AMAAAZING.
We have to figure out a ride together!

Edwin

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:24:18 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my 
> short torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the 
> photo for posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. 
> It's a 61cm Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to top 
> of saddle). Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick 
> shipping, & friendliness. 
> [image: IMG_5528.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5527.jpg]
>
> Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & some 
> parts I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on it 
> and used an old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the 
> cantilever bosses and a few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s 
> in there now but it could probably clear a 48. 
> [image: IMG_5529.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5530.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5531.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Edwin W]

Awesome advice from all of you, two chains on the way!

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:20:21 AM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Buy two KMC z9's for dirt cheap. Toss the leftover second chain in the 
> parts bin for the next 3 chain replacements. 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 4:38:56 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:
>>
>> Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and 
>> buy one close.
>>
>>  
>> ^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
>> links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
>> enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
>> or eight links to get the correct length.
>>
>> https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>>

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[RBW] Long wheelbase = long chain

[Edwin W]

I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
longer than a single chain.

For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
chain?

What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...

Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Trail Bike

[Edwin W]

I agree with Neal that those state bicycles are uglier than we typically 
prefer on this refined list, but they are practical, another quality we 
value. A friend of mine got one and while it is not as good as my lugged 
steel fendered, lighted, racked awesome Joe Appa, he doesn't care!

Edwin

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:13:13 PM UTC-6 nlerner wrote:

> It seems somehow blasphemous to suggest an ugly bike on the RBW list, but 
> I think there's a ton of practical value in the State Bicycle Co. 
> All-Rounder:
>
>
> https://www.statebicycle.com/collections/4130-steel-bikes/products/4130-all-road-black-canyon-650b-700c
>
> I bought a frameset from them and built it up as my winter commuter (pic 
> attached), but the price for an entire bike with decent components is hard 
> to beat, plus it's shipped out of the OP brother's home state. 
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:22:22 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> My first thought too. " trail riding and bikepacking with his friends" is 
>> equal to "a knife for meat". You'll have suggestions ranging from a scalpel 
>> to a 2# cleaver.
>>
>> I just read John Watson/Radavist's review of Knolly's new  
>> Tyaughton, 
>>  a modern 
>> steel hardtail trail bike that is admittedly not a beginners' bike but the 
>> terrain where tested is so well described it's worth reading. It's almost 
>> like being there. My grandparents retirerd there and I rode South Mountain 
>> trails long before suspension. Just as I had my insights about geometry and 
>> suitability of mainstream industry geometry in my Ozark Mountain riding, 
>> this place made clear that it had special needs too. Needs that handed me 
>> my backside by the end of the water in my bottles.
>>
>> The write up did a really good job of describing details of modern trail 
>> bike design and the situational benefit of them. Lots of specifics to 
>> absorb and look for on the more mainstream possibilities, either off the 
>> rack or second hand. 
>>
>> Your brother's budget is best suited to a ready to pedal bike. Even a 
>> free frame would a dark hole which that money won't seem to fill, even with 
>> nominal spec parts. The big brands have such purchasing power by volume, 
>> it's the best way to start. This review included some well grounded words 
>> about lower end components as well. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 9:46:49 AM UTC-5 John wrote:
>>
>>> Trigger warning: opinions regarding "modern mountain bikes."
>>>
>>> For $1400 I'd watch the local Craigslist and Facebook marketplace 
>>> listings for a used hardtail from 2016ish or later. Something with 69 to 66 
>>> (ish) HTA. 29er/700 tubeless ready wheels (27.5/650 is OK too) at least 
>>> 2.3" wide. 1x drive train (46T or more big cog in the rear, clutched 
>>> derailleur). Dropper post. Wide (650mm or more) handlebars. Short (<60mm) 
>>> stem. Disc brakes (these will probably end up being hydraulic because 
>>> that's become standard, although IMO cable actuated is fine for most 
>>> people). That would cover riding a lot of mountain bike trails/singletrack 
>>> in and around AZ as well as bikepacking routes on forest and jeep roads, 
>>> doubletrack, etc.
>>>
>>> Modern mountain bikes are really good. The geo works extremely well with 
>>> the longer top tubes, shorter stems and wider bars. Big wheels have amazing 
>>> ability to roll over trail obstacles. With a little technique and proper 
>>> setup these bikes are incredibly comfortable, safe and capable. These bikes 
>>> also cost more than fully rigid mountain bikes, ATBs, hillibikes 
>>> (sometimes), whatever you want to call them. They have suspension forks, 
>>> dropper posts and possibly hydraulic brakes that need to be serviced and 
>>> maintained (i.e. complicated)
>>>
>>> A Surly Karate Monkey or Krampus both fit the bill and could potentially 
>>> be had for under $1400. A Sklar or Crust is pretty unlikely. Kona Honzo or 
>>> a Marin are also good bang for the buck. Here's a list of budget hardtails 
>>> The 
>>> Radavist  
>>> published recently. Any used model would be fine. I wouldn't be too worried 
>>> about the brand, so long as it's a legitimate bike company and checks the 
>>> boxes above. A mid tier Shimano or Sram group (or at least 
>>> shifter/derailleur) wold be ideal. The new Microshift 1x drivetrains are 
>>> cool too. 
>>>
>>> All that said, it may be worth honing in on what your brother means to 
>>> do with the bike. I hate to say it but "trails and bikepacking" is pretty 
>>> broad by today's standards, especially in AZ and the Four Corners region. 
>>> Does he plan on riding rocky, steep, technical trails that require you to 
>>> lift a front wheel or roll down obstacles? There can be lots of that in AZ. 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Edwin W]

I love all of this experimentation, and the Rev folks sure do have a lot of 
experience. 

For me, I am in the fixed gear or 1x8 or so camp. 
Fixed gear so pure and direct and connected.
1x8 more flexible, fewer problems on the hills, but not nearly as much 
easier as you would think considering there are eight times as many gears! 
I do have a city bike with IGH which is cleaner, but getting back to a 
derailed bike feels like a much more direct transfer of power. 

I would like a mechanical engineer/bike racer/someone who knows a lot to 
tell me: how much easier/faster is a geared bike than a single speed? With 
the terrain of Middle Tennessee (rolling hills) Is it 5% faster, like in a 
1 hour race the geared bike wins by 3 minutes? 10% faster (wins by 6 
minutes), or more like 1-2% faster (wins by a minute give or take)?

Edwin

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 1:01:59 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:

> A recent Riv newsletter compared the 3x1 to an IGH, saying the 3x1 setup 
> is similar but more mechanically transparent.
>
> If you could setup a rear shifted 1x2 or 1x3 with 8-10t jumps between cogs 
> that might be an interesting comparison. (The largest jump on a megarange 
> freewheel is in this range.)
>
> A question I keep coming back to is whether a 3x1 is more "efficient" than 
> a 1x7/8/9 in terms of drivetrain complexity (mechanically and/or mentally).
>
> Still, I like the idea of a front shifted 2x1 or 3x1 setup. If planning on 
> such a setup I'd probably just get a Homer vs the Roaduno because I always 
> end up wanting fenders on a bike like this and vertical dropouts make 
> fenders so much easier. But I do see that the Roaduno with its 120mm rear 
> spacing is a "more pure" implementation of the vision.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 12:55:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are 
>> going to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD 
>> while the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some 
>> people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me, 
>> though.
>>
>> Am eagerly awaiting the close ratio Silver Rivendell IGH (with 
>> proprietary wingnuts).
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill said
>>> >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant. 
>>>
>>> ... A 2x1 would give me all the complexities of a rear derailleur, plus 
>>> the poorer shifting of a front system.
>>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Edwin W]

This is going to be the single most anticipated bike on this list (a 
MASSIVE honor) in quite a while... 

Edwin

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:16:42 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> I love Pink Floyd. Do I love pink bikes? Sure! Me thinks pink with black 
> components would be slick. Can't wait until you can tell us RivBrothers 
> about the color. ;)
> Doug
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. 
>>
>> PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to 
>> it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to 
>> see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>>>
>>> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
>>> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
>>> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
>>> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>>>
>>> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will 
>>> get this information after I've seen the finished product and can share 
>>> photos.  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new 
>>> Nobilette built Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with 
>>> Cream headtube and accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders 
>>> are pink with cream "French tips". 
>>>
>>> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this 
 week for paint
 Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
 let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm 
 beyond 
 excited about that.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for 
> the big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way. 
>>  In my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects 
>> I've been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, 
>> and 
>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
>> them 
>> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations 
>>> on your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! 
>>> (I 
>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
 that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
 and 
 I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
 premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
 then 
 hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
 supposed 
 to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  

 Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
 build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) 
 at 
 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it 
 will not 
 be red. 

 BL in EC

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm 
> sure 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
> wrote:
>
>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
>> choose something else?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  
>>> I paid 
>>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
>

[RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Edwin W]

I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, 
the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.

I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 
wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are 
the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever 
type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.

What is the competition, and what are they offering?
Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. 

BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm rear 
spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.

What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Edwin W]

I heard from Riv HQ that they will come as frames ($1750 like other lugged 
frames) and completes (price and build list not released yet). 

Looking forward to seeing the colors and build list!

Edwin



On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:06:52 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, the indication was a small adjustment but still long. I am guessing 
> they will be shortened less than the length of the dropout slot. As a Clem 
> & Gus owner the long stays are the main attraction of this particular 
> single speed. That and it being fully lugged. I cannot answer the question 
> of when are they too long but I think Riv figured out the sweet spot on 
> their current models. Your results may vary.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 8:51 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I too saw that they are planning to shorten the chainstays on the 
> production Roaduno. At what point are the stays too long and how does too 
> long affect ride quality?
>
> Doug
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:10:07 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:32:33 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
>> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically.  
>>
>>
>> It's hard to keep up with changes, and I think we just need to wait until 
>> the end to know for sure what it'll be.  After that "just like a Homer" 
>> update, it seemed to get really long chainstays - much longer than the 
>> Homer.   Buy now they do say they're going to get shorter again.  
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

[Edwin W]

Joe,

You have a very cool bike that is not very common. I cannot say what the 
"right" price is, but there are a few ways to improve your chance of 
selling it:

   1. Make the bike look its best. Give it a good wash and pump up the 
   tires. A bike with flat tires looks like a neglected bike. If you do not 
   have time or the expertise, offer a kid in the neighborhood $25 to "make it 
   shine."
   2. Show off the bike. Take more pictures, showing off any bright (or 
   dull) spots
   3. Tell us about the bike. List the major components, especially those 
   different from stock
   4. Grow your potential market: be open to shipping. Call around to a few 
   local bike shops and say "how much would it cost to box up a bike and have 
   it ready for bike flights to pick it up?" You can add that to the cost, or 
   split it with the buyer. Check out bike flights and familiarize yourself 
   with the process.

Best of luck,

Edwin

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 12:19:00 PM UTC-6 joe kelly wrote:

> Bumping this. Maybe my asking price is too high? I’m not sure what a used 
> quickbeam is worth. I’m open to offers. Perhaps some one would want some of 
> the parts? I could ship a rack or a saddle but possibly not a wheelset. 
> Open to possibilities.
> Thank you
> Joe
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:22:59 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>>
>> The original wheelset is high flange suzue front and rear. The rear has 
>> threads on both sides so mine has a 16t freewheel and a 14t fixed cog. The 
>> long dropouts allow this to work. I remember Paul or white industries made 
>> a 2 cog freewheel and I always thought it would be funny to put one on each 
>> side, like a 15-17 and a 16-18 or whatever but honestly the novelty does 
>> wear off of manually shifting even 2 gears plus those freewheels were mega 
>> expensive.
>> Anyway the 5sp is a sunshine brand from Japan ( probably) I got off a 
>> list member here and the dyno hub is sp brand I think. Whatever affordable 
>> hub they were selling to years ago just can’t remember. I bought velocity 
>> twin hollow rims with non machined sidewalls (crazy to think I can’t 
>> remember Wednesdays lunch but that detail is firmly lodged in my brain) and 
>> had them built at Baer wheels here in Columbus. I don’t remember if the 
>> spokes were butted, who knows 🤷‍♂️.
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:41:58 PM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Ha! It's kind of disconcerting to see a Quickbeam with front and rear 
>>> derailers. 
>>> Front/Rear were the Suzue hubs?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:40:18 AM UTC-8 joe kelly wrote:
>>>
 On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:35:18 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

>
> Stuff I forgot to mention; it’s orange, I don’t want to ship it but 
> would be willing to drive to meet up, I’m in Columbus Ohio, it has set 
> for 
> a few years now since cycling faded away and golf took over as favorite 
> hobby. Has jack brown green tires, front one is flat needs a new tube 
> probably, it won’t pump up. Has a brass bell. 
> I loved assembling and riding this bike but I just haven’t touched it 
> in a few years. Just writing this for sale post brought back so many nice 
> memories. Maybe it can make nice memories for the next owner too. Hope so 
> anyway.
> Thanks
> Joe
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Hello
>> I have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and 
>> customized it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made 
>> that 
>> is a 5sp 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with 
>> velocity twin hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville 
>> small, fenders, campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem 
>> with 
>> albatross bars, nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino 
>> crank with mkx pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters 
>> and 
>> cheapy derailers.
>> $1750 obo
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Edwin W]

I've had three boys grow through countless numbers of balance bikes, 12", 
16" and 20" bikes. A few things I have learned:

   - I care much more about bike geometry than my kids do. Smaller bikes 
   are typically worse than bigger bikes. Kid specific bikes (Cleary, woom) 
   are better than non specific kids bikes. (My) kids don't give a hoot.
   - I care much more about bike style than my kids do. They don't care 
   about racks, fenders, or lights, the holy trinity of city riding to me. The 
   blasphemy!
   - I pushed kids to the next stage too quickly. I know that bigger bikes 
   are better made with better geometry and can go faster and are more 
   awesome. My kids liked to master their current bikes until they were way 
   too small! My advice: wait until the kid is BEGGING you for a bigger bike. 
   - All bikes work. Just about. It is amazing how kids can make things 
   work. My youngest and his buddy decided to make a tandem for a street 
   festival by attaching the front fork of one bike over the rear axle of 
   another. I pointed out that you can't do that. And they did. And lead the 
   parade! 

I still have a lot to learn,

Edwin
Nashville

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:51:00 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> Not a direct answer but for comparison information of objective spec and 
> geometry for a child's bike I humbly offer Brian Chapman's chronology of 
> bikes for his son, Tully,
>
> Photos of first bike:
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/albums/72157712905024887 
> 
>
> Photos of second bike: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/chapmancycles/albums/72177720296619752
>
> I know this is way outside of almost anyone's range for their child's 
> earliest two wheelers but interesting to see what one of the most creative 
> builders of frames, forks, racks brakes, trailers, pretty much anything 
> bike related sees as important in geometry and component spec. Brian has 
> some BMX history himself so these pre-geared bikes pull some personal 
> design experience from that. His Instagram reels are enthralling for anyone 
> who appreciates the process of shaping and connecting steel pieces. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 fiddl...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
>> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
>> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>>
>> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch 
>> from balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), 
>> since they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 
>> 14" bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) 
>> Probably also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, 
>> so I'm definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, 
>> too. Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - 
>> thanks in advance for your help!
>>
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Gus ride shaming

[Edwin W]

Richard,

Great overhead shot of the bars. Can you post some more of the bike? I'd 
love to see how the cockpit works with the rest of the bike...

Learning from others,

Edwin

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:17:49 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not really shamed but while having a really good ride at one of my 
> favorite trails I passed a couple of riders on their traditional mountain 
> bikes. They caught up to me in the parking lot when my bike was already 
> loaded into the car. They asked " was that you that passed us on a cruiser 
> bike?" And, "what kind of bike was that, a Breezer? I answered it was a 
> Rivendell. I do not think they had heard of that name. It was all good fun 
> and I took it as a compliment. I am in love with my new cockpit on this 
> bike.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/VMbmV6jYNpQvtkNKA
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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Edwin W]

I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
folder!
Great for train travel.
Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
Great for conversation starter.
Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...

Good luck!

Edwin

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would not 
> be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
> bikes.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>
>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>
>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>> can have.
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60CM Quickbeam, super nice build

[Edwin W]

Ah! I see the link is to both (awesome!) bikes...
Fat chance for $1500.
Quickbeam for $1200. 

Edwin

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 2:32:10 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> Wrong link, no price. Help us out, that bike is awesome!
>
> Single speed dreaming,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-5 mrb wrote:
>
>> Hello! More info here: 
>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-1990-fat-chance-21-handmade/7673386935.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Available to ship, please contact off list!
>>
>> [image: IMG_1707.png]
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60CM Quickbeam, super nice build

[Edwin W]

Wrong link, no price. Help us out, that bike is awesome!

Single speed dreaming,

Edwin

On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-5 mrb wrote:

> Hello! More info here: 
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-1990-fat-chance-21-handmade/7673386935.html
>
>
>
> Available to ship, please contact off list!
>
> [image: IMG_1707.png]
>

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[RBW] Re: Front basket rack recommendations

[Edwin W]

That Cycles manivelle rack is slick. No zip ties, cool!

Edwin

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 11:54:33 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> In the latest PLP video, Russ brings to light a nice basket solution from 
> a company called Manivelle. The Le Porteur version is a little less than 2 
> lbs, which is kind of amazing for a basket and rack combination. The 
> standard version seems to work well with a basket bag. Looks like you might 
> spend under $100 for the Manivelle.
>
> https://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/
>
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:19:47 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Just found a screamin deal on a fully built 51 Sam. Now it's time to get 
>> it kitted out. I love my Pass And Stow for the heavy duty- stuff and 
>> aesthetically, it's unmatched IMO. Perhaps a bit of overkill as a simple 
>> basket rack. Would love an RBW51 Nitto rack, but not sure I can justify the 
>> $288 plus tax. Looking for something simple and elegant and cost-efficient 
>> for mounting a Wald 139 Hardware-less Basket and a Tunitas 137 Tote. 
>> If anybody has a well used RBW51 that they would be willing to part with, 
>> I'd love to hear from you.
>> Also looking for other options and would love to see what y'all are using 
>> for your Wald 139 Baskets.
>> Thanks!
>> Alex
>> a c k s f 7 8 gmail
>>
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[RBW] Re: 65cm Specialized Sequoia

[Edwin W]

Love that build photo you've got!

Too big for me, but good luck,

Edwin

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 1:20:30 PM UTC-5 mitchel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hello! I'm looking to recoup some funds from a recent purchase and on the 
> chopping block is this 65cm Specialized Sequoia..Hard to find 65cm size.. 
> perfect for a 650b conversion.. all the details in craigslist ad.
>
> Hoping to sell locally but I do have some packing material and bike box in 
> my shop. 
>
> Reach out if you have any questions!
>
> Mitch 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-65cm-specialized-sequoia/7667168003.html
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Edwin W]

I think it was going to come as a complete, right?
I want to hear from this group how they would build a reasonably priced, 
reasonable quality complete. 
And how much will it cost?

Mine would be (mostly pulling from Riv's website):

Brake Levers: Shimano 
Brakes: Shimano DXR
Wheels: basic wheelset, anything fancy you are on your own
Hubs: basic Shimano
Cranks: Silver one ring with a chain guard
Bar: hard to beat a good old Albatross, but maybe a special one for this 
bike??

Other:
Dynamo: on your own
Fenders: on your own
Rack: on your own


What else??

Edwin
On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:37:54 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> "If it's got caliper brakes like a Hilsen, that will send some people into 
> a tizzy."
>
> I've been told to expect cantilever posts and clearance for 700 x 50.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:39:43 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> If it's got caliper brakes like a Hilsen, that will send some people into 
>> a tizzy.  The suspected derailleur hanger sent a different set of people 
>> into a tizzy.  If it's got long chainstays and a sloping TT, then that's 
>> two more tizzy-groups.  The tizzy venn-diagram will be interesting to map 
>> out.  I'll be in a tizzy because I'm between the 54.5cm and 58cm sizes.  
>> Tizzy's galore!
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:30:08 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> From Grants blahg:
>>> "RoadUnos are scheduled for early 2024, but we're getting prototypes in 
>>> mid to late September.  They're basically A. Homer Hilsen frames except for 
>>> the graphics and dropouts. Rear wheel spacing is 120mm."
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:19:26 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would wager Riv sells a few Roadunos based on that cool dropout. I'll 
>>>> also drink to that!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:26:46 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That has got to be one of the coolest dropouts I've ever seen.  Even 
>>>>> if I didn't use the Der hanger, that thing is a beaut!  The gap between 
>>>>> that upper hook and the fender boss looks like a beer bottle opener to 
>>>>> me! 
>>>>>  I'll drink to that!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:29:22 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: b79c131c-d2e4-7454-7385-657a56268f96.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 2:16:05 AM UTC-4 fe...@femiagbabiaka.xyz 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see -- in a recent interview with PathLessPedaled he mentioned 
>>>>>>> that the bike he's riding most often is a 3x1 -- I'm now wondering if 
>>>>>>> he's 
>>>>>>> testing out the new Roaduno based on what you've described.
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:15:07 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front 
>>>>>>>> derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear spacing 
>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on 
>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>> running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a good 
>>>>>>>> bolt-on option.
>>>>>>>> Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Question about thatif it requires a string tensioner then what 
>>>>>>>>> makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had horizontal 
>>>>>>>>> dropouts 
>>>>>>>>> which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:19:40 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The PLP intervi

[RBW] Re: 26” MTB Tire Advice

[Edwin W]

I find Schwalbe usually has some good offerings. You can search by "inch" 
to find 26x2,2.1,2.25...

Edwin

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:22:45 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Do you know ANYBODY who used to ride?  26" tires accumulate in any garage 
> that hosts riders.  Find some for free!  Or is it so late that everybody 
> has already thrown everything away?  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:59:55 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>
>> I recently pulled my wife’s old Cannondale F5 hardtail out of hibernation 
>> with the intention of moving it along, but she now has a renewed interest 
>> in it. It cleaned up nicely, but the tires are falling apart. It looks like 
>> it can comfortably fit a 26x2.25, but I haven’t used a 26” tire since the 
>> early 90’s so I don’t know where to start. If anyone can point me to to a 
>> decent all around trail tire that doesn’t break the bank, I’d greatly 
>> appreciate it.
>>
>> Bones
>>
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[RBW] Re: Single Speed (QB/SO/RU..) Questions

[Edwin W]

It looks like you have some options for selling your awesome Quickbeam 
(slightly too small for me, thankfully for my wallet).
1. Drive 7 hours (14 hours round trip, yikes!) and sell it to Bill L.
2. Cheapen it up, drop the price, sell the expensive stuff, and clear the 
same amount
3. Keep dropping the price, and it WILL sell! What is a hundred dollars or 
two or three when what you are looking for is the peace from a slightly 
smaller bike stable!!

Best of luck,

Edwin

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:30:56 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Executive summary: I'm still thinking about buying it because he's giving 
> it away.  I have fun with "parting out" projects, and this one would pay 
> for itself.  
>
> If I were Jason, I'd gear it down AND cheapen it up.  Operating principle 
> #1 is you can always sell used stuff to 'friends' for half retail, and you 
> should always expect to be able to buy stuff from friends for half retail.  
> Operating principle #2 is there are some bike parts that are super 
> expensive that one buys only because they want them.  It's bling.  This QB 
> has a lot of that expensive bling on it that we can get rid of without 
> detracting from the usefulness of of the bike.  I could get into those 
> details if you want...
>
> If you'd meet me in Springfield IL this weekend I'll buy it.  I'm in 
> Detroit all weekend with nothing to do.  Springfield is a 7 hour drive for 
> each of us.  If I buy it, I'll part out the bling and end up with a very 
> inexpensive second Quickbeam to go with my 58cm Green one.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 5:11:49 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> So as its been posted, I'm selling my Quickbeam, but even with "too low" 
>> prices, its still not moving.  I also have options to figured out how to 
>> tow my newest addition and I can make space/have the space so who cares. 
>>  The big concern for me is riding it and I don't find myself jumping on it 
>> as often as I'd like.  Partially due to the epic mtn bike scene immediately 
>> around me and my newly rebuilt bombora that I absolutely love.  That said, 
>> It would be fun to hit the trails on a QB and I have a pass&stow rack and 
>> some bags I'd like to use to do some camping with my twin boys (7) and the 
>> SS would be a nice way to enjoy the trip out to the woods with them.  
>>
>> The question I pose is what gear options do you all enjoy.  I've dug into 
>> the internets and I'm sure there is a post or 100 on this here already but 
>> I figured with the upcoming roduno and its many possibilities, this might 
>> be a fun chat to dig into.
>>
>> I'm currently at 48-18 and its great climbing around rural gravel roads 
>> in the midwest but now I'm in steeper hills its a bear-cat.
>>
>> Thanks xo
>> Jason Cheap QB For Sale.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

[Edwin W]

Drew,

Where are you? Depending on the family bike scene near you, Facebook 
marketplace or craigslist might have some deals. When I sold my cargo bikes 
in Nashville, I sold then to someone from 4-5 hours away each time, so it 
is often worth it to spread your radius if you don't find something local.

Good luck,

Edwin

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 3:56:26 PM UTC-5 Drw wrote:

> Thanks for all the thoughts and feedback. It's unfortunate that there are 
> so few non electric options these days, but helpful to know which older 
> models to keep an eye out for. I did discover that Yuba has a version of 
> the Kombi that isn't electric and about the same price as the Tern. Bike 
> Friday would end up being at least 1000$ more, so I'm leaning toward the 
> Yuba or Kombi. 
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:56:29 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It amuses me that the difference in wheelbase length between my medium 
>> Big Dummy and my medium Gus is only 9”. 
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> You could look for an old Kona MinUte. Kind of a short cargo bike. There 
>> was another model like this, but I can't remember what it was.
>> Eric
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 1:49 PM Drw  wrote:
>>
>> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
>>> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. 
>>
>> 
>>> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
>>> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
>>> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
>>> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
>>> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
>>> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
>>> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>>>
>>> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following 
>>> requirements. 
>>> -Non electric
>>> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
>>> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
>>> -Some front cargo capability
>>> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>>>
>>> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
>>> and
>>>  
>>> the tern short haul D8 
>>> . Both have 
>>> pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about 
>>> the above models would be appreciated as well. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Drew
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

[Edwin W]

Max - love that Ritchey cargo bike. But dreamy pricey - take a cool old 
$300 MTB and add a $350 fork and ask $2900 for it!
Hoch - I know some love a trailer, but I never liked having my kids that 
far away and that low
Piaw - love those stories. I never had a tandem for my kids, but I agree - 
you do the work, the kids like it!
Drew - I love both of those mini cargo bikes. Can't go wrong there!

We had, over the years:

   - a box bike : lots 
   of smiles from passers by, kids loved it (just ride and chill!), but I 
   never used it unless I had more than one kid. Takes up a lot of space
   - a yuba mundo: long, but super useful. Felt just like an old mountain 
   bike when empty. Looks like they are moving more towards electric.
   - A workcycles Fr8 : 
   this was the one that is most like a regular bike. Heavy as all hell, but 
   super comfy to ride. I got the seat that goes in front and the kids all 
   fought for that space until they were older than 10!

Best of luck. Let us know what you settle on,

Edwin




On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 2:21:39 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Not what you’re looking for, but I saw this bike the other day and thought 
> it looked cool (not cheap though)
>
> Log into Facebook 
> 
> facebook.com 
> 
> [image: hLRJ1GG_y0J.ico] 
>  
> 
>
> Max
>
> On Jul 21, 2023, at 2:47 PM, Drw  wrote:
>
> I guess I should've mentioned that space is a real issue, and the child 
> is 5 years old. Ideally the cargo bike would have the same footprint as the 
> rivendell it would be replacing. Also our riding is almost entirely urban, 
> much of it without bike lanes, so I worry about the trailer option. I have 
> no evidence, but pulling it through traffic makes me nervous. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My personal solution was to get a tandem (really, a triplet/quad that 
>> converts). The kids love it, and we just rolled over 13k miles on it since 
>> getting it 8 years ago. Other parents will tell me that my kids are 
>> special, and that their kids couldn't stay on a bike that long. I would 
>> take their kids on the tandem and it turns out that their kids had no 
>> problem biking for as long as mine. It's just that most parents don't want 
>> to do the work. Yes, it's expensive (though not that expensive if you buy 
>> used), but in exchange you get kids that would rather go on a bike tour 
>> than disneyland.
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
>>> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. 
>>> [image: 
>>> IMG_2875.jpg]
>>> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
>>> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
>>> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
>>> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
>>> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
>>> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
>>> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>>>
>>> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following 
>>> requirements. 
>>> -Non electric
>>> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
>>> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
>>> -Some front cargo capability
>>> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>>>
>>> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
>>> and
>>>  
>>> the tern short haul D8 
>>> . Both have 
>>> pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about 
>>> the above models would be appreciated as well. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Drew
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Edwin W]

I will be interested to see:
1. What the frameset price will be.
2. What the price will be for a complete.
3. What the complete will look like.

My build would probably be tending toward minimalist (I fantasize about it 
but keep adding stuff to my bikes like dynamo lighting, racks, fenders and 
all those other things I find useful) city-ish bar like a wavie, 35-45mm 
tires, fixed gear, flat pedals, front v-brake.

Will look forward to people's variations

Dreamily,

Edwin

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 5:29:57 PM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

> All this talk of dropouts, Grant mentioned last week on a Path Less 
> Pedaled YouTube video (around the 55min mark) that Roaduno will have  'rear 
> facing dropouts of our own design'.  
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:35:58 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Bill is right (as usual), the Public V1 is fun to ride. 
>> My brother and his wife got them. I made a huge improvement (to me!) in 
>> putting paselas on and switching the 18t rear cog to a 16.
>>
>> I love the simplicity of a single speed and hope to get a roaduno and 
>> "fix" it up,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:08:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There is no question there will be a Roaduno Complete in early 2024 that 
>>> you will be able to purchase, and that bike will be both simple and a 
>>> single speed.  
>>>
>>> Another bike that meets both those criteria (simple and singlespeed) is 
>>> the Public V1.  
>>> https://publicbikes.com/collections/single-speed-bikes/products/public-v1
>>>
>>> That's a simple, single speed bike.  I bet it would be pretty fun to 
>>> ride.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:35:02 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just want a simple, single speed bike 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:19:54 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Changing subject slightly - there have been some comments worrying 
>>>>> that this will simply be a homer and the logical "why bother"  question 
>>>>> implied, given that it's no longer a true single speed.  I have no inside 
>>>>> knowledge, but suspect it will be different.  Specifically, I'd supect it 
>>>>> to have a higher bottom bracket than the homer, to accommodate those who 
>>>>> want to use it as a fixie. 
>>>>>
>>>>>  The Quickbeam had a higher BB, and I can't help wonder if that's the 
>>>>> thing that made it's ride quality so magic and so unique compared to 
>>>>> other 
>>>>> contemporary models.  (That was my riv era, so I also have a ram and a 
>>>>> saluki and, as similar as they are on paper, they just feel totally 
>>>>> different.) 
>>>>>
>>>>> My newer rivs are the long, hilli bike type (susie/clem) instead of 
>>>>> the road type.  Because those are what I prefer most of the time is why I 
>>>>> was excited about the first Roaduno concept /prototype.  But, since it's 
>>>>> now different, I just can't imagine it being less than a  improvement to 
>>>>> the QB/SO.   
>>>>>
>>>>> Like most, I tired of the single speed limitations, and have spent 
>>>>> years planning to add gears to my QB - via IGH in my case.  This is 
>>>>> despite 
>>>>> owning the Saluki and Ram.  It's just such a good ride, I can't imagine 
>>>>> getting rid of it.  The long winded point of this is that i totally 
>>>>> understand the addition of features for adding gears.  If the bike ends 
>>>>> up 
>>>>> being a "keeper " most are going to get there eventually.
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Edwin W]

Bill is right (as usual), the Public V1 is fun to ride. 
My brother and his wife got them. I made a huge improvement (to me!) in 
putting paselas on and switching the 18t rear cog to a 16.

I love the simplicity of a single speed and hope to get a roaduno and "fix" 
it up,

Edwin

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:08:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is no question there will be a Roaduno Complete in early 2024 that 
> you will be able to purchase, and that bike will be both simple and a 
> single speed.  
>
> Another bike that meets both those criteria (simple and singlespeed) is 
> the Public V1.  
> https://publicbikes.com/collections/single-speed-bikes/products/public-v1
>
> That's a simple, single speed bike.  I bet it would be pretty fun to 
> ride.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:35:02 AM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> I just want a simple, single speed bike 
>>
>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:19:54 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Changing subject slightly - there have been some comments worrying that 
>>> this will simply be a homer and the logical "why bother"  question implied, 
>>> given that it's no longer a true single speed.  I have no inside knowledge, 
>>> but suspect it will be different.  Specifically, I'd supect it to have a 
>>> higher bottom bracket than the homer, to accommodate those who want to use 
>>> it as a fixie. 
>>>
>>>  The Quickbeam had a higher BB, and I can't help wonder if that's the 
>>> thing that made it's ride quality so magic and so unique compared to other 
>>> contemporary models.  (That was my riv era, so I also have a ram and a 
>>> saluki and, as similar as they are on paper, they just feel totally 
>>> different.) 
>>>
>>> My newer rivs are the long, hilli bike type (susie/clem) instead of the 
>>> road type.  Because those are what I prefer most of the time is why I was 
>>> excited about the first Roaduno concept /prototype.  But, since it's now 
>>> different, I just can't imagine it being less than a  improvement to the 
>>> QB/SO.   
>>>
>>> Like most, I tired of the single speed limitations, and have spent years 
>>> planning to add gears to my QB - via IGH in my case.  This is despite 
>>> owning the Saluki and Ram.  It's just such a good ride, I can't imagine 
>>> getting rid of it.  The long winded point of this is that i totally 
>>> understand the addition of features for adding gears.  If the bike ends up 
>>> being a "keeper " most are going to get there eventually.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[Edwin W]

The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or purple and 
Sergio green. 

We will see!

Love the idea of it,

Edwin

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> The mid-May Blahg  
> has em slated 
> for December in purple and dark orange. 
> Mack in Alberta 
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The latest update they published was in February. saying they'd ship put 
>> of Taiwan in August/September.  That same email update said there would be 
>> a lugged Susie shipping in June and Platypus in July.  The Susie's don't 
>> seem to be here yet, so maybe push everything back a little.  October?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:54:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone got any news/updates on availability?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

[Edwin W]

According to the latest blahg/blug:
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/june

"December: ROADUNO Frames and completes. PurpleRiv Purple, Dark Orange"

"The complete RoadUno bikes will probably come with a double and a 
chainguard. It's hard for US to pick your ideal gearing, but basically, if 
you live in a hilly area like I do, a triple beats a double. If your land 
is flat or you'll ride a normal geared bike in the hills, then two 
chainrings is enough. The complete RoadUnos will come with two rings, but 
no shifter or front derailer, and no rear derailer, but with "track-style" 
dropouts with a cable hanger. So multi-gearing it from one to two or three, 
is a minor DIY project."
"The RoadUno will be PurpleRiv Purple and a new ("Sergio") green."

So probably Purple and either Sergio green or dark orange.

Looking forward to seeing what they actually look like and how the 
completes come. I am guessing mid 2024.

Edwin
Nashville




On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:02:00 AM UTC-6 dane...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nice. Cool bike.
>
> -Dan
> NJ
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:00:14 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> Depends on your body proportions. I have a long torso so my long bikes do 
>> not have swept back bars. My main ride last year was a Rivendell Mystery 
>> Bike single speed[image: EG2s.jpg], but as you can see in the photo - 
>> hills are pretty non-existent here.
>>
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5 dane...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems this bike will be stickin with the longer chain stay/longer 
>>> front end for swept bars style of things.  Has anyone ridden that type of 
>>> Rivendell single speed often?  I'm curious what it feels like to do a lot 
>>> of out of the saddle climbing in a hilly area.  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:00:56 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keep in mind that, at some point after Grant revealed that 
>>>> purple/orange one, Will said that it was basically irrelevant because they 
>>>> were making so many changes.  
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:23:26 PM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Doug. I think that was the only blug post that I didn't look 
>>>>> at the other day.
>>>>>
>>>>> JohnS
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I want one with Bullmoose bars and cantilevers, in purple of course. 
>>>>>> Need is a different matter...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:03:07 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>> There is one on the linked blog below. You'll need to scroll a bit 
>>>>>>> to find the photo. Note that the fork is mismatched. 
>>>>>>> Blog 
>>>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/done-done-wrong-proably-still-doing-wrong>
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:50:53 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does any one have a link to a picture of a fully built Roaduno? I 
>>>>>>>> was looking for one the other day and the closest I could find was the 
>>>>>>>> pics 
>>>>>>>> of the three frames without paint. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> JohnS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 mark e wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From Will's email update today:
>>>>>>>>>> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and 
>>>>>>>>>> dark gold).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's good news!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roaduno dreaming,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Edwin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Edwin W]

Bikes in order of use

   1. Joe Appa daily driver
   2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
   3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
   4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
   5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed

Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!

Edwin



On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Hi all,
> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
> justification. I think it was 7.
>  Any idea which reader it was in?
> Thanks!
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Edwin W]

Not to rub it in, but yes, the Riv Grundens poncho is the best ever. So 
sorry they do not have them any more. Maybe they need to do  another run, 
but I am sure then they would be $$$.

I have the Grundens, but also have a Vaude Valdipino 
 that 
is very easy to stash somewhere (I keep one at work) in case something 
comes up.

Edwin

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:41:16 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Love my cleverhood.  It stays in the bottom of the Wald on my Hunq and is 
> there when I need it.  Highly recommended, and they have sales often.
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:59:04 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:
>
>> Oh wow, the Blue Lug poncho is designed to be draped over handlebars or 
>> even a front basket, while still keeping the hands free to (maybe) signal.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/fLS69h0YwZA?t=194
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:50:41 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, from my experience, it's not possible to totally re-proof the 
>>> carradice capes. Even if you could, it's a big pain to proof them. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:49:20 AM UTC-8 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'd suggest you try to find a used Grundens poncho that riv used to 
 sell. They're way bigger than other models, super durable, don't have an 
 unnecessary hood. I've tried other brands, but the riv version can't be 
 beat. 

 It's really to bad they aren't available anymore. James from Riv said 
 he'd see if there are any extras hidden away, but I haven't heard back. I 
 assume not. I do worry that I'll never be able to replace mine if 
 something 
 happens to it though!
 On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:50:55 AM UTC-8 a spen wrote:

> I love a poncho when the wind allows, but when it's too blustry I use 
> a rain jacket and Rainlegs Chaps** (such as in the Clevercycles link 
> below).  I bought my first pair from Wall Bikes in NOLA (who remembers 
> them? Sadly the owner retired and closed up shop) and got a good 10+ 
> years 
> out of them.  Well worth the $$ IMHO.
>
> (https://www.clevercycles.com/rainlegs-rain-chaps.html )
>
> Al
>
> **sorry if someone mentioned these already and I missed the post
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:18:00 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot 
>> about pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
>>  
>> It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my 
>> friends 
>> were amazed that I had good things to say.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:
>>
>>> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I 
>>> probably wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit 
>>> over-engineered (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>>>
>>> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed 
>>> canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came 
>>> in 
>>> high viz colors/designs. 
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @Carlos and @Patrick - 
>>> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>>>
>>> [image: yehuda.gif]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms 
 when riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty 
 color 
 swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in 
 the 
 puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy 
 rain) 
 every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the 
 Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.

 On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while 
> now. It works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from 
> recommending it to everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any 
> of 
> the Riv variants, the water will pool between the bars. Not a big 
> deal but 
> it happens as these seem to be designed more for drop bars?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Edwin W]

Berthoud 60mm (700c) fit my 58cm Joe Appa fine with no manipulation.

Edwin

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 2:48:37 PM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Thanks Paul!  Great info, I think Honjos are more scratch than I want to 
> spend though :^(
>
> I wonder if getting a set of the V-O 63mm 700c fenders with the plan to 
> reshape them would be nuts?  Apparently you just gently bend them as if 
> you’re trying to widen them and it tightens up the curve…  I suppose it 
> would be pretty cool if it worked, and pretty darn lame if they ended up 
> ugly or ruined…
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM Paul (GlennsBikeGarage) <
> pa...@myrealagent.com> wrote:
>
>> Doug,
>>
>> I'm currently installing the Honjo H80 62mm smooth fenders on my 
>> daughter's 51cm Joe Appaloosa (650b) with 42mm Grand Bois tires. These 
>> fenders fit without any special bending, cutting, or manipulation and I 
>> would consider these the widest fender that will fit.  Hope that helps.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv shirts

[Edwin W]

All gone. Thanks.

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:34:27 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> Red Rockmount available again. $40 shipped
> Like new
> Pictures here 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:42:24 AM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
>> SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good 
>> $30
>> Going to keep for now Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: 
>> collar slightly darkened $30 (bought from Riv)
>> SOLD Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought 
>> from Rockmount)
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Edwin
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:08:04 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> Update:
>>> SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
>>> SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise 
>>> good $30
>>> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
>>> $30 (bought from Riv)
>>> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
>>> Rockmount)
>>>
>>> Pictures here 
>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:28:02 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thinning out my closet:
>>>> Prices include shipping, discount for Nashville pickup.
>>>> Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
>>>> Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good $30
>>>> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly 
>>>> darkened $30 (bought from Riv)
>>>> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
>>>> Rockmount)
>>>>
>>>> Pictures here 
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>
>>>>
>>>> Buy the lot $110 shipped. 
>>>>
>>>> OBO of course,
>>>>
>>>> Edwin in Nashville
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv shirts

[Edwin W]

Red Rockmount available again. $40 shipped
Like new
Pictures here 
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>


On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:42:24 AM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
> SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good 
> $30
> Going to keep for now Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: 
> collar slightly darkened $30 (bought from Riv)
> SOLD Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
> Rockmount)
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Edwin
> 
>
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:08:04 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Update:
>> SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
>> SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good 
>> $30
>> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
>> $30 (bought from Riv)
>> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
>> Rockmount)
>>
>> Pictures here 
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>
>>
>> Edwin
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:28:02 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> Thinning out my closet:
>>> Prices include shipping, discount for Nashville pickup.
>>> Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
>>> Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good $30
>>> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
>>> $30 (bought from Riv)
>>> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
>>> Rockmount)
>>>
>>> Pictures here 
>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>
>>>
>>> Buy the lot $110 shipped. 
>>>
>>> OBO of course,
>>>
>>> Edwin in Nashville
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv shirts

[Edwin W]

SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good 
$30
Going to keep for now Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: 
collar slightly darkened $30 (bought from Riv)
SOLD Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
Rockmount)

Thanks all!

Edwin



On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:08:04 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> Update:
> SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
> SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good 
> $30
> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
> $30 (bought from Riv)
> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
> Rockmount)
>
> Pictures here 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>
>
> Edwin
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:28:02 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Thinning out my closet:
>> Prices include shipping, discount for Nashville pickup.
>> Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
>> Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good $30
>> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
>> $30 (bought from Riv)
>> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
>> Rockmount)
>>
>> Pictures here 
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>
>>
>> Buy the lot $110 shipped. 
>>
>> OBO of course,
>>
>> Edwin in Nashville
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv shirts

[Edwin W]

Update:
SOLD Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
SOLD Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good 
$30
Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
$30 (bought from Riv)
Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
Rockmount)

Pictures here 
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>

Edwin
On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:28:02 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> Thinning out my closet:
> Prices include shipping, discount for Nashville pickup.
> Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
> Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good $30
> Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
> $30 (bought from Riv)
> Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
> Rockmount)
>
> Pictures here 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5mrZvC7tWQvVka5YdjD_8LJatDLp5G6?usp=share_link>
>
> Buy the lot $110 shipped. 
>
> OBO of course,
>
> Edwin in Nashville
>

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[RBW] FS: Riv shirts

[Edwin W]

Thinning out my closet:
Prices include shipping, discount for Nashville pickup.
Gray Riv MUSA shirt size L: very good condition $35
Riv MUSA railroad shirt size L: two small oil stains, otherwise good $30
Rockmount blue check cowboy shirt size L: good: collar slightly darkened 
$30 (bought from Riv)
Rockmount red check cowboy shirt size L: barely used $40 (bought from 
Rockmount)

Pictures here 


Buy the lot $110 shipped. 

OBO of course,

Edwin in Nashville

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[RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Edwin W]

Peter,

That is a beautiful bike! 
Perfect job by you and Waterford.

How much did it cost to do? Because I will do that to one of my bikes one 
day, and want to start saving!!

You could literally just hang that on the wall as a beautiful thing to look 
at every day... 

Edwin

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 9:36:36 AM UTC-6 peter@gmail.com wrote:

> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>
> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>
> Here it is now:
>
> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>
> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>
> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of configurations:  
> as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points I added indexed 
> Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear friction 
> derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 single 
> Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older racing 
> bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now pretty 
> much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>
> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
> seat for me.
>
> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place to 
> share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>
> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>
> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>
>
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[RBW] Roaduno catnip

[Edwin W]

>From Will's email update today:
September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark gold).

That's good news!

Roaduno dreaming,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: FS: SON 32h 6V-3W K179 Dynamo Hub

[Edwin W]

Mike

Any idea of how old it is or how miles it has on it?

United in dyno,

Edwin

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:08:01 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> SON 32h 6V-3W K179 Dynamo Hub - $125 plus shipping
>
> --I bought this for a wheel build but ended up going a different route. No 
> skewer.
>
>  Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fFMHJ82BWiURZkHD8
>
>  Mike in Minneapolis
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[RBW] Re: WTB MUSA Atlantis 59 (650B) or 58 (700C)

[Edwin W]

Bob,

Good luck in your search. I have made the same search for many of the same 
reasons in a slightly larger size. I had not heard of the Crust Nor'easter. 
That checks a lot of the boxes except for color (esp in Canti). I have a 
hard time justifying a bike that is not very different from my Joe Appa, 
but that vintage of Atlantis with one too tube and more traditional length 
chain stays just looks so right to me.

Keep us updated as to what you find!

Edwin

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:06:03 PM UTC-6 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Happy Friday the 13th.
>
> You have been holding on to your Waterford-made Atlantis, thinking you 
> might one day sell it. I have been lamenting my failure to buy one for 
> fifteen years. Shall we make a deal?
>
> I'm looking for a 59 cm 650B Atlantis (as listed in the ca. 2016 RBW 
> geometry chart). I'd prefer a complete bike, but a frameset or rolling 
> chassis would work too.
>
> If no one has a 59 they're willing to sell (or has one at all; I don't 
> think I've ever seen one posted here), then I would also be interested in a 
> 58 (700C) Atlantis.
>
> Answers to some anticipated questions:
>
>- Yes, the newly-re-available Crust Nor'Easter would function 
>similarly. I want an Atlantis, though, to redress various grievances 
>(mostly against myself).
>- No, I'm not interested in a newer MIT Atlantis. For the intended 
>uses I prefer a more traditional touring-bike chainstay length and 
>downtube-shifter bosses.
>- No, I'd rather have Waterford model than a Toyo. From what I've 
>seen, the Toyos had neither a third set of bottle-cage bosses under the 
>downtube nor lowrider bosses on the fork legs, both of which I use.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
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>

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Edwin W]

Original Atlantis!
Not too long chainstays so it fits places better.
Single top tube.
26" wheels for all (I know that is not original).

Edwin


On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:18:09 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm guessing they would need to call them something else if they made any 
> more Bombadils or Legolases. I'm still wondering how they are able to get 
> around still using "Sackville" if they've had to cease with the Tolkien 
> monikers.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:33 AM Jason Zakaras  wrote:
>
>> Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off 
>> production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year 
>> and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a 
>> 56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all.  
>> Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting 
>> and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of 
>> all time.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez 
>>> as I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.  
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. 
 The parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a 
 lift though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my 
 Feedback workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the 
 over inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. 
 All those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 

 This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a 
 previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the 
 blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back 
 models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu" 
 , formerly "on the menu" models.  
 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> Bombadil, no question.
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
>> coin..
>>
>> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for 
>> now.. :) 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
>>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
>>> believe) 
>>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>>>  is the best 
>>> Riv has done. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to 
 level top tube and shorter chain stays

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR 
> COAT...
>
> I hope Grant is listening
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy 
> Albright  wrote: 
>
>
> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick 
> which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
> resurrect 
> one out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>
> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see 
> merit of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through 
> that 
> feels like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty 
> surfboard. I 
> absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
> being 
> a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of 
> the 
> thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in 
> my 
> experience. 
>
> The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as 
> there has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. 
> XO-1 - 
> ALL Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People 
> are 
> still obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 
>
>
> SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 
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[RBW] Great Looking Roadini

[Edwin W]

I have never been that into "road bikes" or "road biking," which is of 
course what drew me to Rivendell, with their genre bending, do everything 
country, hills bike types.

But damned if this Roadini ain't a beauty!
https://mailchi.mp/3c2fde96e77c/come-see-us-at-philly-bike-expo-this-weekend?e=8a9a8a9b7f

anyone who is going to Philly bike expo gets to see it in person.

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Potential Riv for Sale

[Edwin W]

There will be interest at the right price!
What is the price?

Edwin

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 10:18:47 AM UTC-5 chase@gmail.com wrote:

> I am not totally sure if I am going to sell one of my Rivs yet, but 
> thought I would test the waters and see if there might be interest in a 48 
> Sam Hillborne Dark Gold. It is a complete built by Riv. Pretty standard 
> build with Albatross bars.
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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Edwin W]

#1 model to choose: the one you have/could easily get. For me that is the 
Appaloosa which I have now.
If I were starting all over...
#1 dream, but I cannot get it right now is the original Atlantis 64cm with 
one top tube. 
**Let me know if you are getting rid of one**
#2 Appaloosa
#3 Original Hunq
But they are all so good I do not want to rank them and would be happy with 
any model from any year.

Edwin 

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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Edwin W]

If there is a 3 year waiting list, the price is too low!

Give the people what they want!

Edwin

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 4:45:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Joe, it's true... I haven't worn a watch in many years.  My company gives 
> away a watch for 10-year service anniversary, and I didn't even bother 
> trying it on.  It's in a drawer somewhere.  LOL. 
>
> Bill "watch watcher" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:37:44 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I remember when the wait list for a Riv Custom was 3 years or more and 
>> THAT was a long time. I sure wouldn't put myself on that list for a 
>> production frame, and as for the watch (briefly looks at upper left corner 
>> of watch I'm typing on) it's 2:37pm. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:21:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I read the full text of the Helm list page more closely.  There is an 
>>> estimate of how long it will take to get to my spot (#5995) on the list.  
>>> They say their current burn rate through the list is an average of 150 per 
>>> month.  So, in a mere 40 months (3-1/2 years) I will be given a 48-hour 
>>> window in which I can elect to purchase a $300 watch.  If I was a sincere 
>>> fanboy of Helm watches, I'm not certain I'd want to wait 3-1/2 years to 
>>> purchase a watch.  In fact, maintaining a 3-1/2 year waiting list is a 
>>> business activity I might call "false scarcity".  If I sincerely wanted to 
>>> purchase a watch, I might even be pissed off about it.  The irony!
>>>
>>> Raise your hand if you want to wait 3-1/2 years for your next 
>>> off-the-peg bicycle frameset purchase
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:53:30 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like Rivendell a lot. I like that Helm system, too!
>>>>
>>>> Edwin
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll 
>>>>> make sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
>>>>> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" 
>>>>> Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~Mark 
>>>>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
>>>>>> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
>>>>>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are 
>>>>>> available to pre-order right now...  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
>>>>>>> They cannot keep up with demand. 
>>>>>>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. 
>>>>>>> They even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>>>>>>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>>>>>>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a 
>>>>>>> few minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old 
>>>>>>> days of calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>>>>>>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>>>>>>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone 
>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Edwin W]

I like Rivendell a lot. I like that Helm system, too!

Edwin

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll make 
> sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>
> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
>> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>>
>>
>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>>
>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available 
>> to pre-order right now...  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
>>> They cannot keep up with demand. 
>>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
>>> even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
>>> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
>>> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
>>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
>>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
>>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name 
>>> to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when 
>>> its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
>>> 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>>>
>>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down 
> to 2-3 left though. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
>> going to leave it for you to buy though
>>
>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>>
>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>>
>>> I want no part of this.
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the 
>>> page you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this 
>>> thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
 Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
 I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. 
 I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet 
 until 
 this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
 Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot 
 order enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another 
 shipment. No financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
 I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked 
 for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. 
 I’ve 
 bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
 visit many times. 
 But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Edwin W]

Brendon,

That headshot looks awesome. Can you post a couple photos of the whole bike 
and a full build list? I think if I were to get my hands on one I would 
just copy you exactly!

Edwin

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 10:43:07 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> Discord Wright stem (30mm) with the new Nitto Bullbar. Puts my grip area 
> behind the steering axis the way I like it. Rides wonderfully.
> [image: DSC_0176.JPG]
>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Edwin W]

I agree with Eric... nice photos are nice.

>From our local craigslist, this one is on the other end of the photo 
spectrum
https://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/d/nashville-bike-for-sale/7474764859.html

Edwin

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 1:49:23 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hats off to the gold Sam seller for posting *nice pictures*! 
>
> Johnny, the plural of platypus is platypuses. I'd vote platypodes. You 
> might enjoy this bit from the Australian Platypus Conservancy 
> :
>
> *What is the plural of “platypus”?*
>
> This is perhaps the single most frequently asked question about the 
> species. People feel that “platypi” doesn’t sound quite right, but what’s 
> the alternative? According to our copy of the Australian Pocket Oxford 
> Dictionary (Fourth Edition), the word “platypus” is derived from two Greek 
> words meaning “flat broad foot”. Given that the plural of the Greek “pous” 
> is “podes”, we conclude that – strictly speaking – the plural of “platypus” 
> should be “platypodes”. However, given that “platypodes” has for some 
> unfathomable reason never become popular, the dictionary goes on to say 
> that the accepted plural is “platypuses” or (particularly in scientific and 
> conservation contexts) “platypus”. (For the sake of simplicity, we prefer 
> using the second term.) By the same token, given that “rakali” (a.k.a. the 
> Australian water-rat) was originally an aboriginal term for this animal, 
> its plural in English is presumably “rakali” rather than “rakalis”.
>
>
> Not trying to derail this thread, thanks all. 
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS (new, never ridden!) 
>> 60cm 
>> 1350 
>> Denver, CO 
>>
>> https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/englewood-60cm-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7482693457.html
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The confounding politics of camping

[Edwin W]

I can only think of 1 park here in TN that has hike and bike, which I 
consider not directly connected to a road. I wish all parks had them, 
because even having a few minutes walk/bike from a road makes them much 
less desirable to the loud crowd!

Edwin in TN

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 3:56:16 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> It's nice in the US it seems many sites have "hike and bike" spots that 
> are fairly nice that guarantee you spots. Canada does not typically have 
> them - so on bike it can leave you in a tight spot during peak season. 
>
> I noticed on a road trip in the US through Utah / Nevada that despite 
> National Parks are impossible to book. State Parks and BLM land was often 
> convenient and had nice locations and were more low key. 
>
> I typically find camping during peak seasons unenjoyable as my work is  
> often unpredictable and doesn't allow flexibility and booking so far in 
> advanced gives me anxiety and ruins the effect. I've had great experiences 
> with wingin it during off season or midweek adventures though. Same with 
> bike specific camping (1-4 days max) allows a bit more flexibility than 
> large car camping trips. In a few pinch moments I've had folks offer 
> private land for camping if you ask around a community nicely. 
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing, gave me some new perspective on 'camping' and the 
>> historical context is interesting. Reminds me of an anecdote my uncle in 
>> the bay area related to me once of commenting on a stranger's backpack 
>> 'going camping?' and them responding along the lines of 'i camp every 
>> night.' 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:49:56 PM UTC-4 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> My wife and I used hipcamp.com this past summer with good results.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:02:15 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
 Here's a very interesting article about camping I just read:


 https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-confounding-politics-of-camping-in-america

 This summer we are struggling to book a campsite for a week - all are 
 sold out 6 months in advance. In the past, I would always just show up and 
 be offered a small spot.

 Michael



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Discussion on Reddit

[Edwin W]

Watching Mr. Hirose (RIP) install fenders or do just about anything on a 
bicycle would have been a joy to watch live!

Edwin

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:15:13 AM UTC-5 Igor wrote:

> I prefer working with Honjo undrilled fenders over any other. Need a lot 
> of patience and some good tooling. If that is not something one is into, 
> yes VO are better.
>
> Here's a great video of CS Hirose installing fenders that helps :) 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xbveQQHo00
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:04:58 PM UTC-4 brettjc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Nobody asked, but here's my somtwo cents: VO metal fenders are much 
>> easier to install **well** than the SKS plastic ones.  They're predrilled, 
>> so you only need basic tools like allen wrenches and a little bit of 
>> patience (maybe a drill if you're going to directly mount to a rando rack, 
>> too). Once they're installed, they stay in place much better than the SKS. 
>> The stays are thick enough that if they get whacked, they're unlikely to 
>> bend.   With many metal fenders, you can gently reradius them for a better 
>> fender line.  Installing metal fenders stays from VO and similar brands 
>> requires you to cut or dremel the fender stay, so four cuts. VO helpfully 
>> includes both a bracket and daruma for mounting to a variety of frames. 
>> Once they're on the bike, VO fenders tend to stay in place and seem to have 
>> a nice fender line.   
>>
>> SKS fenders have fiddly stays, which I'm constantly finding get bent out 
>> of shape.  The fenders have an arc that can't be altered, so you'd better 
>> hope it fits the tire (or not be concerned with frivolity like fender line, 
>> but hey, I am).  The stays, if they require cutting, have more metal to cut 
>> and it's flimsy. Once cut, you've also got sharp ends facing your legs, 
>> which SKS helpfully provides little rubber thingees to cover. These are a 
>> total PITA to mount in my experience. Once on a bike, I find that they are 
>> easy to knock out of alignment. There are positives: SKS fenders are pretty 
>> minimal, so can be squeezed onto a bike well. They do have the nice QR 
>> feature when something gets jammed between fender and tire. However,  if 
>> you're worried about a QR system, Portland Design Works sells a quick 
>> release tab that I put on bikes with knobby tires and metal fenders for 
>> safety. 
>>
>> The real challenge, IMHO, are the Sim Works and Honjo (maybe redundant, 
>> as Honjo makes the SW models?) versions that are completely  undrilled. You 
>> get infinite options for mounting and infinite chance to err. I call these 
>> six pack fenders, and they generally take a day to install. They generally 
>> look fantastic. 
>>
>> Anyway, Rivendell and other manufacturers that include plenty of space 
>> and provisions for fender mounting are the best, and we should all buy 
>> their bikes!
>>
>> Brett in pdx
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   SKS fenders may be easy-er than nothing to install for someone like a 
>>> bike shop looking for a path of least resistance, but sheesh  they look 
>>> awful. I have some Bluemel P50's on my Bombadil. Frankly, any fender can be 
>>> a challenge to install so I'd rather have some metal ones that look like 
>>> they belong on the bike if I'm going to have anything on there. 
>>>
>>>  As Patrick pointed out though, regular SKS fenders are much too short 
>>> in length, and they doesn't make longboard styles for the larger 700c 
>>> fenders. They do sell x-long flaps as add-ons, but it's an add-on that 
>>> would be better served as being included. SKS is wildly inconsistent in 
>>> their fender offerings. 
>>>
>>>   I ordered some 63mm VO fenders for more coverage and they look nice. 
>>> I'll likely have to move the front stay down because it looks like they 
>>> drill it for right where the toes would come closest to the fenders and the 
>>> bolts stick out. I like the way Berthoud does their stays though as they 
>>> are flattened at the bend. 
>>>
>>>   I read that the Portland Design Works safety tabs work for VO stays. 
>>> Again, it would be nice to have them as standard on the VO. I really 
>>> dislike buying new stuff and then needing to change something about it.
>>>
>>>   The funny thing is most of the times I've been caught in rainstorms 
>>> have been on my 1999 custom Franklin that has no fenders. I used to rain 
>>> ride for hours in Minnesota back in the day with no fenders , nor would 
>>> they have fit on a racing bike.
>>>
>>>   I was out riding today in cold and wind and felt like crap. Then I 
>>> thought of Mike the Mailman riding all those hard miles on his whatever 
>>> bike he had. So I let go all silly ideas of obligations and rode on, broke 
>>> out in songs of appreciation  and just enjoyed everything about it. 
>>>
>>>  The Secret to Life is that there is no Secret to Life. tee hee hee 
>>>  
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:3

Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Edwin W]

$2000 1987 Rivved out Stumpjumper. Wow!

If someone will buy it, it is worth that much,

Edwin

On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 5:52:27 PM UTC-6 aus...@soundcoop.tv 
wrote:

> Friend's '87 Specialized Stumpjumper made up into a real *nice *commuter, 
> could-be tourer
> Size: 22.5
> Lotta good info in the posting
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-1987-specialized-stumpjumper/7431637139.html
>
> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hunqapillar
>> 54cm
>> San Francisco, CA
>> $3350
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-musa/7431855131.html
>>
>>
>> Sam Hillborne
>> 59cm
>> $2200
>> Oakland, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-double/7432027318.html
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Edwin W]

58cm Rambo full bike in Huntsville back up at $1500
https://huntsville.craigslist.org/bik/d/huntsville-rivendell-rambouillet-58cm/7430693973.html

No connection,

Edwin

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 11:01:49 AM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> 58cm Rambo in Huntsville
>
> https://huntsville.craigslist.org/bik/d/huntsville-rivendell-rambouillet-58cm/7412785968.html
> No connection,
> Edwin
>
> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 7:28:29 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oooh...really pretty 60cm double TT Sam with canti posts in Iowa City. No 
>> affiliation with the seller here.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255258634855?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=5ea56e44de8e4dc99a63e45079d3039c&bu=43091514547&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20211203050755&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 7:30:33 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>
>>> Nice 58cm Sam with Dyno on eBay. It's in the Bay area...with all the 
>>> extras, I think it's a great deal. No affiliation with the seller here. 
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284548084495?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=87a9e36b60454493938906df70f8a1ec&bu=43091514547&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20211130055429&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:04:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> 62cm Sam
>>>>
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Edwin W]

58cm Rambo in Huntsville
https://huntsville.craigslist.org/bik/d/huntsville-rivendell-rambouillet-58cm/7412785968.html
No connection,
Edwin

On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 7:28:29 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oooh...really pretty 60cm double TT Sam with canti posts in Iowa City. No 
> affiliation with the seller here.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255258634855?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=5ea56e44de8e4dc99a63e45079d3039c&bu=43091514547&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20211203050755&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 7:30:33 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
>> Nice 58cm Sam with Dyno on eBay. It's in the Bay area...with all the 
>> extras, I think it's a great deal. No affiliation with the seller here. 
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284548084495?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=87a9e36b60454493938906df70f8a1ec&bu=43091514547&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20211130055429&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 6:04:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> 62cm Sam
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html
>>
>>

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[RBW] Nutmeg Nor'Easter Riv Focused Video

[Edwin W]

Lots of Riv content in here!
https://theradavist.com/2021/11/2021-nutmeg-noreaster-video-recap/

Viewing from afar,

Edwin in Nashville

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "Keven's Bike" build

[Edwin W]

Laing,

Love everything about it!
Can you tell us a little more about the front rack?
Who made it?
How does it attach at the top?
How does it attach at the bottom?
Any issues with it?

Cool!

Edwin
On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:45:09 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> Top of saddle is 34" above top of pedal. Frame is 61cm C of BB to top of 
> seat lug. I am 6', but have short legs (83 pbh) and a long torso-> think 
> 5'8" legs / 6'4" torso. That is why the seat is so low, but it works for me 
> because of the mixte / omafiets style frame - I hate pullback bars with 
> basically parallel grips (Bosco, Losco, Tosco, etc), so Wavies, Jitensha, 
> Bullmoose, etc. that keep the bars more forward help. I also rode a 60cm 
> Betty Foy.
> It was evidently supposed to be a "cargo" style bike with the front frame 
> rack, but the high center of gravity (CG) kind of quashed that idea for me 
> - with a mega-size Wald 157 basket, it wouldn't stay upright with a side 
> kickstand, even empty. The Wald 157 basket was also uncomfortable close to 
> the handlebars and didn't turn with the handlebars. The Wald huge racing 
> basket works to keep the CG lower and it has become my commuter. The Wald 
> 157 is going on my Clydesdale forked Clementine for a cargo bike.
> The bike one of my Rivendell keepers. I currently have 12 Rivendells and 
> need to thin the herd, so I have decided to keep, at a minimum, the 
> American made Rivendell frames - 3 Mark Nobilette built: Custom, Keven's 
> bike, and Mystery Bike - Protoveloosa;  Waterford built Bombadil with 
> Nobilette added tentacles, Waterford built Rosco Bubbe V1. That is 5 plus 
> the wife's Betty Foy makes 6.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 5:33:54 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:
>
>> Hi Laing,
>>  Would you mind telling me the saddle height in the photo? I remember 
>> Keven was a tall guy and I’m curious what size that frame is.
>> Thanks,
>>  -Frank
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:28:37 PM UTC-5 joseph...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome Bike! Really dig the Cargo rack
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 10:43:01 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Changed the handlebars and stem to Nitto fillet brazed Bullmoose from 
 the parts stash. Original Wavie bars and Technomic stem were a little too 
 flexy in some situations. Much better now.
 Very, very tempted to get that IRD setback seatpost that Rivendell has 
 in stock right now.
 Just rode in to work. It was Iguana day on the bike path today. 
 Hundreds of them but I was too lazy to try and get a picture of them. 

 [image: WorkS.jpg]

 Laing
 Resting at the desk in Boca Raton FL



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[RBW] Re: Night riding

[Edwin W]

I love riding at night. It really expands on the magic of biking in general.
I am like many others on this thread, loving dyno lighting for active 
lighting at night. Steady lights front and back. 
For passive, I have a Riv ankle band strapped to each side of my basket, 
reflective plastic on each wheel, something like this 
,
 
a yellow reflective triangle hanging off my saddle, and all of my pedals 
have reflective strips. What is nice about my setup is I don't have to grab 
anything special out of the door: it is all on the bike, all the time.

Ride like the wind, under the moon,

Edwin

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-6 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> This thread reminds me I'm long overdue for a greatly needed head clearing 
> night ride and still have a roll of 3M reflective tape and some reflective 
> dots I've meant to apply.  I keep stalling because I haven't actually 
> cleaned my bike(s) in forever and whenever I do it's because I'm swapping 
> something or another and then wait to be sure I want to keep the build 
> before I further accessorize.
>
> I really enjoy night rides and being fortunate enough to reside in a 
> complex directly across from trail access to a network of multiuse trails 
> through a sprawling park mostly consisting of open meadows means leisurely 
> riding under nothing but the moon and stars with little need for much 
> lighting except for the few sections that run though more heavily wooded 
> areas with a full canopy, Though I've tended to not venture too deep on the 
> longer loops any longer and more or less stay nearby the more open trails 
> which also intersect the local road crossings to allow easier detours and 
> bail-out options since the park closes at dusk.
>
> I have not yet ventured into Dyno or generator hub territory, although I 
> did have prior plans to attempt an LED set up with a vintage Sturmey Archer 
> Dynohub on an abandoned 3 speed project, but that fell through for 
> unrelated reasons I won't get into here.  For lighting I have a couple 
> Princeton Tec Eos lights which have 3 brightness settings and the brightest 
> does a pretty good job lighting up the trail under the darkest canopies in 
> our local trails.  I keep one mounted on the bars (currently on a drop bar 
> single speed) with a second on the helmet for peeking around the curves 
> during the darkest parts.  I've played around a bit with light placement 
> and although I really liked having a light mounted low near the wheel since 
> it really highlights any irregularities or obstacles in the trail ahead, I 
> really didn't care for the shadow from the wheel/tire on one side.  I tried 
> a fork crown mount on my recent build but it was awfully close to the tire 
> and offered neither the same detail of the terrain like low beam near the 
> hub or midfork mounts nor the convenience of the bar mount for easy on/off 
> for when riding in those open air moon lit smooth trail sections where I 
> really enjoy the complete lack of any artificial light and a leisurely 
> pace.  This is all a very personal approach for my particular route and if 
> I were doing more commuting or riding after dark in busier areas and with 
> more car traffic I think I'd already have converted to a generator of some 
> sort.
>
> The Eos 'Bike' models I have are very outdated and likely have long been 
> replaced with newer models but I've no plans to upgrade until they meet 
> their demise and still run on a few AA batteries (I think, should probably 
> double check and refresh with the time change that just occured since I 
> can't recall when I last put fresh batteries) and I really liked the 
> multiple mounts they came with:  bar mounts with rubber shims, helmet mount 
> with velcro strap, plus an elastic headband for regular headlamp usage.  
> If/when I do replace I'll look for something rechargeable, so the 
> consumption of standard batteries is certainly the biggest drawback.
>
> I have a back-up Planet Bike Beamer light mounted similarly to the 
> handlebars of another bike but it comes nowhere near the brightness of the 
> EOS so I rarely use this one alone and try to remember to bring the helmet 
> light to supplement whereas if I take the Eos equipped bike I'm otherwise 
> more confident with just the single bar mounted light.
>
> Now I just need to get back out there one of these nights.
>
> Best,
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 8:10:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> Please don't ride with one of those blinding, pulsing, rear strobe 
>> lights.  On my ride home last night somebody with one of those decided he 
>> had to pass me and I could barely see anything.  I guess he probably felt 
>> safer but he was definitely putting me at greater risk.  I also try to 
>> remember to put my ankle reflector bands on - the argument I r

Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Edwin W]

60cm Cheviot frame at my LBS
$1400
https://www.halcyonbike.com/inventory

Edwin
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Edwin W]

I have been very happy with the Berthoud 700x60mm stainless steel fenders 
on my Appaloosa with 50mm tires.
https://store.biketouringnews.com/gilles-berthoud-stainless-steel-fender-set/

Edwin


On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 7:23:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I have a set of Velo Orange Zeppelin fenders (fully fluted) on my rack 
> bait commuter that I've been riding year round for seven years. I don't 
> think you'll go wrong with the set you linked.
>
> My V.O.s have weathered the seasonal precipitation and clanking in and out 
> of industrial bike racks enough to earn the title of being durable. The 
> front is long enough that I didn't have to add a ridiculous mudflap for 
> good foot and drivetrain slop protection. The rear I installed with the 
> front end below the BB for good protection for the drivetrain. No one 
> follows me at my hours and I don't ride groups on that bike so I don't have 
> a rear flap.  I do have a fender mounted wired tail light. I ran its wire 
> from the left chain stay wrapped around the fender stay to use up excess, 
> going under the fender almost where the light's mounted. Maybe shonkey for 
> a show bike but I wan't in the cut, solder, shrink seal business at the 
> moment. No damage, grounding events in seven years.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 2:45:34 PM UTC-4 johnny@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Winter is coming **
>>
>> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
>> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
>> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>>
>> Here's where I'm at... 
>>
>>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>>Californians 
>>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>>look really short (here 
>>
>> 
>>  is 
>>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>>
>> 
>>
>> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
>> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
>> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
>> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>>
>> thank you,
>> Johnny B in Portland
>>
>

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[RBW] Clem Lotto

[Edwin W]

I am glad to hear the demand for Rivendell bikes is high. So high that most 
sizes sold out immediately when posting last time they opened them up to 
sales. So this time:
You buy a $50 "ticket."
They draw tickets out of a hat for the "winners," who have 24 hours to 
purchase a bike.
If someone doesn't buy, they pull another name out of a hat.
Sounds complicated and added work for the folks down at Riv.
How many people REALLY wanted a Riv and weren't able to get one at the end 
of the day?

Seems like overthinking to me, but I am living in the lap of luxury of 
owning two Rivs, so what do I know!

Whatever the process, good luck to Riv,

Edwin

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[RBW] Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Edwin W]

The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
size.
I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
of these aspects from those first runs:

   1. The color (of course)
   2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
   3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool with 
   26' in all sizes)
   4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
   bigger in the large sizes)
   5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders

Who else would sign up for one?
What other aspects would you like?

Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Hot tip: Soft-sided coolers for Wald baskets

[Edwin W]

The REI versions do well, too.
12 pack  
 
and  6 pack 
, but 
don't have a exterior zippered pocket.
Edwin

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 7:35:00 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I move a lot of groceries with my bike and this weekend I pulled out my 
> soft-sided cooler and found it was a perfect fit for a Wald 137 basket. I 
> put a few freezer packs inside and safely transported some ice cream home 
> in the 95º heat with 95% humidity we've been enjoying. Also fit a small 
> clamshell of salad, a few bundles of scallions, few cans of albacore tuna, 
> a bag of tortillas, some hummus and carrots. 
>
> The cooler is from a California company called AO Coolers. Mine is the 
> 12-pack deluxe, which used to be made in the USA. Their standard 12-pack 
> cooler remains made in the US. Mine is a nice, unfussy, non-fancy cooler. 
>
> https://www.aocoolers.com/product-page/12-pack-made-in-usa-cooler
>
> [image: IMG_5215.jpg]
> [image: IMG_5217.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Top Tube Protection

[Edwin W]

These protectors 

 
seem Riv-ish to me: made by an individual, attention to detail, etc...

Wrapping an old inner tube around the top tube and finishing it with 
electrical tape is Bobbish: practical and cheap by using discarded parts.


Edwin

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 6:31:22 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> What do people do for Riv-ish top tube protection for their bikes? 
>
> Clear stickers like helicopter tape don't seem very Riv-ish, tend to peel 
> off and look a mess after a while, and possibly aren't the best from an 
> environmental perspective. 
>
> BMX/mountain bike pads with velcro fixings seem ok but aren't a very good 
> match aesthetically. I'm using an old MTB pad at the moment. 
>
> I've seen some ready made leather top tube covers but they don't seem to 
> fit the 31mm diameter tubes on my Atlantis or Clem H. Similarly, Velo 
> Orange had some elk skin bar tape but again I don't think it would fit. A 
> home made leather TT cover might work I suppose. 
>
> I've seen some people put shellacked bar tape along all or most of their 
> TT but that operation looks like a massive PITA IMO and it's not easily 
> removable once it's been done. 
>
> What I'd really like is a canvas cover made of something like Carradice 
> waxed cotton duck (it would match my bags at least) but I've not found 
> anyone who makes something like that.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Cheers,
> Johnny
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv'ing out a kids bike

[Edwin W]

I have done this with many kids bikes: adding fenders (Wald stainless 
steel), dynamo lighting, cloth type and twine, racks... all with either 
very little interest/appreciation by my (otherwise wonderful!) children, or 
eye rolling, or even occasional disappointment. The bikes in the shop 
window look cool to them! You may be able to eke out a little bit of cred 
by the bike shop employees who say "man, your dad made you a cool bike," 
but don't count on it (the kids liking it, not the mechanics' reaction - 
they will appreciate it).

Helplessly hoping,

Edwin

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-5 gabe.de...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've been thinking about this a lot lately and wanted to know if anyone 
> has done this to a kids bike. Did the children immediately roll their eyes? 
> What kind of handlebars did you use? Most kids bikes come in either an 
> extreme paint color or a highly feminine paint color, did you repaint it to 
> something more pleasing for everyone?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Edwin W]

If you ever feel like you are getting too many flats on the rear (always 
the rear!), a much tougher, but still a bit supple tire is the Marathon 
Supreme. And it comes in 700x42.
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_supreme

There are many marathons... this one is the lightest and most supple, I 
think.

Good luck and report back.

Edwin

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 1:41:11 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> Garth, you're a life-saver!  I got busy right away and ordered the tires.  
> Thanks so much for the link.
>
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 3:01:55 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Joyce,  Enjoy the ride !!!  Shikoro 700x42 ..  
>> https://takeahikeshop.com/products/soma-shikoro-700c-k-tire-black-brown?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:51:54 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, what casing did you select for your RH tires?  Standard, 
>>> extralight or endurance?  I'm impressed with your mileage to flat ratio.
>>>
>>> Garth, you're right!  It's ultimately about life and enjoying the ride. 
>>> I"ll bet you've read "Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Performance" by 
>>> Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.  If not, you might enjoy it.
>>>
>>> Joe, I also found that the Kenda Kwik tires that came on my Clem rode 
>>> like bricks, though I didn't know how bad they were until I switched to Big 
>>> Bens.  I have Schwalbe Marathons on my Bike Friday for touring for the flat 
>>> protection.  My hands aren't as strong as they used to be so it's often a 
>>> struggle to get the tire back on the rim.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for continuing this conversation about tires.  I 
>>> appreciate the opportunity to learn more about bikes via your experience.  
>>> As far as my tire decision goes,  I'm currently leaning toward the folding 
>>> Shikoro 700 x 38 due to availability.  I don't know if the 42mm would be 
>>> better, but can't find them in the folding (lighter) version.
>>>
>>> --Joyce
>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I was riding 70 to 100 miles per week back then with 3 to 5 bikes, most 
 on the commuter and allrounder, mostly on pavement but say 1/3 dirt.

 Oh: One big exception to the "flatting fast tires": Big Apples. They 
 rolled surprisingly well for their bulk, but got perhaps 1/3 of the flats 
 per unit distance of the other tires; in order of flat-prone-ness, ie from 
 more flats to less flats per unit: 26 X 1.25 Paselas, non-TG (and yet for 
 a 
 number of years these were my commuting tires and got the most miles); 
 Conti GPs, Michelin Pro Races, Specialised Turbos (yep, fewer flats than 
 the Paselas); 26 X 1.35 and 700C X 35 Kojaks; 26 and 29" 2.35" Big Apples).

 On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 5:06 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Each to his or her own. It depends on what you prefer. Many ride stiff 
> tires that don't flat; pre-sealant, I preferred -- no, really, really 
> much 
> preferred --  to fix over 150 flats per year (2 boxes of 100 Remas per 
> year, more or less) instead of riding tires that felt slow. 
>
> Fortunately, modern sealants even here in goatheadland allow one to 
> ride the lighest, thinnest tires with hardly any flats and resulting 
> pleasure: in tubes for higher pressures, tubeless for lower pressures.*
>
> Of course, we get very little rain; and also, 2 spare tubes per bike 
> usually let me get home before I had to break out the patch kit (also one 
> for each bike); plus of course top quality pumps. Again, each to his own; 
> this was my own.
>
> * For me, an unscientific but still empirical division at about 45 or 
> 50 psi.
>
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 2:51 PM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> Should I feel bad about my 780g Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard tires?  
>> Sure keeps the flats away when riding on the street. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Edwin W]

Since I last posted the situation seems to be much better:
Now you can hover on the "bikes" menu up top and you immediately get a drop 
down of the bikes! They are, after all, the pride and joy of this BIKE 
company!

Good job,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Cheviot complete, $1750 plus packing and shipping

[Edwin W]

Where are ya?

Love that green,

Edwin

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 7:13:34 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> I forgot to include photos!
>
> Here they are.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/tS62RJACDYB3GHqF9
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 7:12:57 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> Let's see, albastache bars, nitto stem, TRP brake levers, Tektro brakes, 
>> silver bar-end shifiters, Shimano Deore XT rear derailer, Sugino double-low 
>> crankset, MSK pedals, Velo Orange seat post, Brooks B17 saddle, Tubus rear 
>> rack, kickstand, dyad rims with shimano hubs, Soma tires, 38 mm,  I think 
>> that's about everything. Thanks for looking.
>
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[RBW] Re: Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Edwin W]

I don't have all of the measurements in front of me, but I found the hub 
area rack did not fit my appaloosa (eyelet was too high). I got a tubus 
tara, but haven't attached it yet, but I figure it should work.

Let us know what you find!

Edwin
On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:13:41 AM UTC-6 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Hi all,
> I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as 
> a loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that 
> purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic. 
>
> I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a 
> great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of 
> upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple, 
> elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper 
> eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold 
> out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.
>
> I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but 
> I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have 
> recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell, 
> or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>

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[RBW] Re: History of the bicycle by Grant

[Edwin W]

Yes, I think that was it. Thanks!

On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 7:01:26 PM UTC-6 Andrew Schlukebier wrote:

>
> There’s this:
>
> Grant Petersen: The Big Bang Theory…of Bicycles
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VJ4jAn4v-U
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 5:45:49 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I remember reading an article by Grant on the history of the bicycle, 
>> from early galactic history onwards. I can't find it in the reader index 
>> (thank you Reed) or with a basic google search.
>>
>> Can anyone point me there?
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] History of the bicycle by Grant

[Edwin W]

I remember reading an article by Grant on the history of the bicycle, from 
early galactic history onwards. I can't find it in the reader index (thank 
you Reed) or with a basic google search.

Can anyone point me there?

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Appaloosa F/F/HS

[Edwin W]

Ben,

That's an interesting question: To   "With my butt on the saddle I can get 
my tippy toes of one foot to touch the ground." You replied: "Shouldn't 
this be true of any bike, regardless of standover height?" 

Imagine a very steep seat tube angle - saddle almost directly above the 
pedals vs a very slack seat tube angle- the saddle quite behind the bottom 
bracket. Even if you kept the bottom bracket height the same (there is some 
variablity between "low" road bikes and "high" cross bikes) you could 
imagine the difference. Even with 75 and 71 degree seat angle the 
difference can be noticeable - close to an inch.

Does that make sense?

Edwin

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 11:37:15 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:

> Friend said: "With my butt on the saddle I can get my tippy toes of one 
> foot to touch the ground."
>
> Shouldn't this be true of any bike, regardless of standover height?
>
> On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 6:15:57 AM UTC-8 Friend wrote:
>
>> I'm 6'2" with a 92cm PBH and I ride a 62cm Appaloosa with 45mm tires. 
>>  With my butt on the saddle I can get my tippy toes of one foot to touch 
>> the ground.  Stand over is right at my groin bone.  I would ride it any 
>> smaller or any larger.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 10:11:50 AM UTC-5 boblo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Here is a chart from the Riv site:  
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 8:13:00 AM UTC-6 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>>
 Good morning, Bones,

 Just sent a PM.


 Is anyone able to tell me what the PBH range is for this 62cm frame? 
 I've hunted around online and can't turn anything up.

 Thanks all!

 David
 On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 10:07:04 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:

> Bump. I'll drop the price for local pickup to $900. Make me an offer.
>
> Bones
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 3:35:29 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> $1000 shipped CONUS or can arrange for local pickup (NJ, outside of 
>> Philadelphia)
>>
>> Ever since I moved the kiddos over to my Cargo Clem I've had a hard 
>> time finding a job for my Apploosa. It's a wonderful bike but I simply 
>> do 
>> not need an All-Rounder while I have other bikes better suited to each 
>> type 
>> of riding I do. Two years of beausage. No dents or dings other than some 
>> mild depressions on the chainstays from the super-duper kickstand I used 
>> to 
>> use. There are some moderate scrapes near the crank and inside the drive 
>> side chainstay (loose chain incident). Other small scrapes here and 
>> there. 
>> The attached pictures should show it all.
>>
>> Please PM me with any questions. Thanks!
>> Bones
>>
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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Edwin W]

I agree with @aeroperf: I always thought it was too hard to find the bikes! 

When you click the three bar menu, "Bicycles and Frames" are at the top: 
good! 
Now how would you look at the bikes? You have to click on that, read all of 
the descriptions, and then wade through a bunch of pictures: big ones of 
bikes, small ones of add ons, then there is another page of more, if you 
get there.
Maybe: a "+" sign next to Bicycles and Frames with each model listed there. 
I think the descriptions could go under some page called "design 
philosophy" or something. I know someone who wants to read everything about 
Riv would like to get into that, but I think most people looking for a bike 
would like to click on each model and look at them.

I am glad you all are working on it!

Thanks for running a great company,

Edwin

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[RBW] Sackville Sacks are a good deal

[Edwin W]

Especially when you compare them to some alternatives, like this $745 
Scotch bag!
https://www.westleyrichards.com/us/scotch-bag-in-forest-green

Enjoying flat, grabby, and jumbo grabby sacks,

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] FS: Copenhagen Wheel $1,100

[Edwin W]

>
> Really interesting stuff on this thread. Thanks all for sharing, and sad 
>> to see another good product with a ton of  that failed. A friend of mine 
>> ran a small dealership for Faraday bikes. I thought they had a good 
>> product: a good looking, stripped down, simple electric bike. Medium price 
>> point. Basically a Linus or Public of the electric bike world. Then they 
>> were bought by Pon Holdings, a Dutch company that owns Gazelle, Cervelo and 
>> Santa Cruz. I thought, great, they will make it a stable brand. But they 
>> discontinued the brand last year. I would love to hear the back story, but 
>> never did. 
>>
> Nothing like a good old, human driven, chain having, rim brake sporting 
bicycle to last forever and never* be "unfixable"! My mother has her 1950's 
schwinn single speed bike that she has ridden every summer since she got it 
and I just replace tires every few years because she leaves it in the sun.

*for a long time

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Edwin W]

I like the Riv flatsack 
, though I wish 
it were just a bit taller to fit a standard magazine. Currently sold out.
I saw Herse is selling one 
-  
lightweight and packable, as you would expect.

Edwin


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:21:48 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I have a Strawfoot waxed-canvas musette that I really like. Handmade in 
> Santa Cruz, CA.
>
> Still plain and functional, but the waxed canvas does provide a fair deal 
> of structure. I don't know what the original Riv musette looks like, but 
> the Strawfoot was a nice, straightforward clasp to hold the cross strap in 
> place that just works. And it doesn't have a zipper like the new Riv one, 
> but just a snap that feels really solid. It's been durable for me, had it 
> for ~10 years.
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:16:56 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of 
>> organic cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured 
>> in. Like the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it 
>> in my bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more 
>> than the bag allows.
>>
>> I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work 
>> well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this 
>> plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to 
>> sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are 
>> both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).
>>
>> As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv 
>> MUSA Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not 
>> to like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long 
>> johns make these pants a dream.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Edwin W]

Regarding FOGRRL (Fear of going rear rack-less, rhymes with "you go girl"), 
I suffer from the same. So I always have a rear rack - Pletscher, Racktime, 
I've had a number. These days, with a Mark's rack and walk basket up front, 
I rarely ever use the rear rack except to hold my rear dynamo light! Which 
would not apply to you, of course.

Keep us updated with what you come up with,

Edwin

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the limitations 
> of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed my 
> down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack 
> will work without needing a rack...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> The correct answer is:
> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and giving it 
> your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but doubley 
> especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of textbooks now.
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>
>> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
>>>
>> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
>> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could still 
>> use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender to 
>> the rack mounting point.
>> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar with 
>> some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches the 
>> Nitto silver)
>> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find the 
>> rear rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket up front 
>> mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, so more 
>> than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently do) and I 
>> am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike just prior 
>> to my Western states circuit a month ago and I really didn't miss the extra 
>> weight. It's a pity to weigh down a lively light bike with excess weight, 
>> whether it be a Crust Titanium or a Platypus.
>> IMHO I would ditch the rear rack and get a front rack. Bonus Front racks 
>> typically have a more forward mounting position for your light which I 
>> really appreciate.
>>   
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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Edwin W]

Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to have 
around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the splats, 
but I see their (dorky) practicality!


Edwin

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:

> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
> box. Stick shifting?
>
> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.
>
> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.
>
> Cheers
> Jason

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[RBW] Re: (Best) metal fenders for Joe Appa?

[Edwin W]

I have had good luck with the Berthoud fenders 
 on my Joe.
Pictures here 

 with 
a ton of room with snoqualmie pass tires (44mm).

Edwin

On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 3:54:44 PM UTC-5 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> I bought one of these off the list last year, came with the SKS vendors as 
> is typical for an RBW bike. I would like to put metal fenders on it, just 
> because. I have an unused set of the first generation V-O Zepplins, which 
> would work, but I suspect wider is really ideal based on the clearances of 
> the JA.   Cheap(er)-but-good is always the best for me, so I suspect the 
> V-O Wavy fender is the best choice. Am I missing anything?
>
> Thanks, Doug
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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

[Edwin W]

Patrick,

Thanks man! Got some of that non-roll elastic and it was perfect.

Edwin

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-5, Patrick Cronin wrote:
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> Edwin,
>
> I've tried two replacements, both 1". One was from Amazon and it was total 
> crap. The other was from JoAnn Fabric and it is perfect! The latter was 
> "non-roll" and after comparing the two, I now understand what that means, 
> i.e. the Amazon one was so thin that it rolls lengthwise, whereas the JoAnn 
> band has ribbing that stops it from rolling or doubling over.
>  Here's a link with different colors:
> https://www.joann.com/sewing/sewing-and-quilting-supplies/elastic/
>
> I've also ditched the buckle and gone with a 1" plastic strap adjuster...
>
> Cheers,
> Patrick
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I 
>> replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear 
>> of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are 
>> online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
>> I think it is a 15mm elastic band.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice,
>>
>> Edwin
>> Nashville
>>
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[RBW] MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

[Edwin W]

Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I 
replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear 
of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are 
online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
I think it is a 15mm elastic band.

Thanks for any advice,

Edwin
Nashville

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