[RBW] Re: Suggestions for no-extension or very-short extension clamp-on stems

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Ritchey has @ $50 stems with 30-degree rises:

https://ritcheylogic.com/bike/stems/comp-4-axis-30d-stem

(Not available, apparently, from Ritchey directly, but someone should have 
them in the shorter lengths...)

(Note that short-length stems don't actually rise very much, regardless of 
the angle of the rise!)

Cheers!

Liz
Washington, DC



On Thursday, October 24, 2024 at 4:34:21 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This list ought to know about this question.
>
> I hope to install Maes Parallels when I rebuild the Medium 2012 Monocog 
> and since the effective tt is 59.5 cm* compared to the 56.5 or 57 where I 
> usually install such a bar I’ll need a stem that is both 25 or 30 mm 
> shorter than the 80s I use on my road bike and that also gets the bar clamp 
> at least level with saddle (don’t know needed height above spacers since I 
> don’t yet have the saddle installed, but this suffices for the general 
> question).
>
> Question: Where can I find threadless stems with 5 cm extensions and a 30 
> or 35* rise that don’t cost custom prices? a 6 cm ought to work since I 
> will have the bar level with saddle instead of ~3 cm below.
>
> This looks promising at $75 but even that is high for a throwaway beater: 
> https://analogcycles.com/products/gnomehopper-60mm-stem
>
> Second question: Are adjustable stems sturdy enough for long-term use?
>
> Thanks.
>
> *I  could only find the spec for the 2015 Monocog 29er aluminum but this 
> fits with my own admittedly slapdash measurements. If anyone can correct 
> me, please do so.
>
> I will have fun with this build. I think of ultralight 60 mm Big Ones and 
> the long unused S3X with 17 t cog and if I can make it work a cosmetically 
> marred Dura Ace GA 200 crank with 42 t ring for ~ 72, 54, and 45 inch gears 
> or perhaps an 18 for 68, 51, 43. Time will tell.
>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Btw, the Reston (VA) Homer is now down to $2,500.

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html





On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 7:40:06 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> That Reston Homer is nicely appointed and a good deal for someone right 
> for a 47cm!
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
>> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I love a bargain 👍
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
 avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:

> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
> this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>> roof.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> wow
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  

 BL in EC

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
 wrote:

> Heron Touring 
> 55cm
> $7000
> Walled Lake, Michigan
> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
> racks, and full Campagnolo...
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H&hash=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr&itmprp=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Roadini
>> 57cm
>> 2000
>> Emeryville, CA
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

47cm upright Homer Hilson spotted on Craigslist here in the DC/Northern 
Virginia area.  (Not mine, other disclaimers, etc.!)

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html

Liz
Washington, DC
On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Haha.  $700 would be a very good deal.  
>
> I'm intrigued by. his front rack.  I have two copies of that rack and mine 
> don't have a fender attachment point.  That spot is pretty important for a 
> full coverage metal fender setup.  I may throw him an offer for only the 
> racks, and see what happens.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe an accidental extra zero /  a misplaced decimal point???
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>
>>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
>>> Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
 roof.

 On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:

> wow
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heron Touring 
>>> 55cm
>>> $7000
>>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
>>> and full Campagnolo...
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H&hash=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr&itmprp=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Roadini
 57cm
 2000
 Emeryville, CA


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the shortest 
reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm handlebar 
clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And the rest of 
the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  They only 
come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine for most 
people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040

Cheers!

Liz 
Washington DC



On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
> reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
> and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.
>
> But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm 
> of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!
>
> The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape and 
> 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less than 
> ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm clamp 
> diameter.
>
> For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
> Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
> Specialized bars...)
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>>
>> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where 
>> it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height 
>> and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I 
>> start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
>> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>>
>> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
>> (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>>
>> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
>> and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I 
>> used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) 
>> to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road 
>> standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 
>> 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or 
>> whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a 
>> wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion 
>> because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better 
>> than any non-drop bar I could find.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
>> ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
>> stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
>> shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
>> going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
>> in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
>> shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
>> lot.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.

But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm of 
rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!

The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape and 
75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less than 
ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm clamp 
diameter.

For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
Specialized bars...)

Liz
Washington, DC



On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>
> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where 
> it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height 
> and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I 
> start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>
> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar (narrowness 
> too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>
> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
> and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I 
> used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) 
> to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road 
> standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 
> 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or 
> whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a 
> wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion 
> because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better 
> than any non-drop bar I could find.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
> ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
> stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
> shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
> going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
> in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
> shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
> lot.
>

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[RBW] Re: YAHT (Yet Another Handlebar Thread) :D

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Modemmisuser,

Just my $0.02, but as someone who could never figure out the attraction of 
Nitto Noodles (I have relatively short arms and small hands, so any 
remotely long-reach handlebar will just never work...), I find Soma's 
Highway One (Hwy 1) handlebar to be just perfect -- short reach, 
shallow-ish drop, comfortable bends.  (Absence of pressure on hands in our 
cases is probably the result of other aspects of the set-up, though.) 

I've had it on my Saluki, and it's currently on a Bianchi Volpe that's done 
up with silver bits.  My boyfriend uses it on his Sam Hillborne (2008 or so 
vintage) and his Long Haul Trucker.  I use STI levers with it; boyfriend 
has bar ends, for the moment, on both of his set-ups.  Super comfortable.

As they say, though, your mileage may vary!  Good luck!

-- Liz
Washington, DC 




On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 9:54:02 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have a 2016 Sam, from the batch of completes that year.  I love the 
> bike, and now that I'm riding a lot more (my wife was gifted with being 
> able to ride again after not being able to for years; she has a '16 Sam 
> too), I swapped bars from the stock (Nitto Noodle) to an Albastache.  
>
> The Noodle was only giving me ONE hand position, on the hoods.  The drops 
> didn't feel usable to me and the flats are just too narrow for my comfort.  
> The hoods position was putting a lot of pressure on the meaty part of my 
> hands behind the thumbs.
>
> The 'Stache fixes that and gives me a lot of hand positions - on the 
> "hoods" (but it's a big flat on the 'Stache of course), behind them, and 
> pretty much all along the rest of the bar.  I like it, but...
>
> I do miss the hand position that only comes from having a drop bar on 
> being on those hoods in that orientation; I just need one that will put 
> them in a spot that doesn't put all the weight on the meaty-hand-part 
> behind the thumbs.
>
> I have to admit I also miss how the bike looks with a drop bar. O_o  I 
> dunno, I guess the bike just "wants" that look, to me.
>
> I'd also like to not run the shifters as barend shifters... So I'd go 
> thumbie or some type of (S DON'T TELL GRANT) brifter. 
>
> The other issue I don't have access to the funds that some others around 
> here seem to. :)  These bikes were EXPENSIVE to us ($2,600 a pop and we've 
> added front and rear racks, fenders, etc.)
>
> Ideas, comments, questions, help, etc, etc?  I'm sure lots around here 
> have Sams and have done this handlebar/cockpit rodeo lots of times!
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

FYI: 56cm Atlantis frameset in Northern Virginia.  (Not mine...)

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/arlington-rivendell-atlantis-56cm/7663165663.html

-- Liz




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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bicycle Works new saddle coming out in September 2023

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I have the non-microfiber version -- if you (or anyone else) would be 
interested in it, feel free to contact me off-list. 

Liz
Washington, DC



On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:56:01 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the recommendation, Liz! Unfortunately I’m going to have to 
> agree with Jim. I’ve used microfiber saddles in the past and I’m not able 
> to slid around on them enough for my liking.
>
> For what it’s worth, my solution to the saddle theft problem thus far has 
> worked well enough. I use a RandyJo waxed canvas cover that’s very very 
> worn in and makes the saddle look much less attractive. But there’s always 
> that fear in the back of my mind regardless.
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 9:59 AM Jingy  wrote:
>
>> The problem I had with the Velo Orange saddle was the microfiber cover. I 
>> couldn't slide back and forth-the top is like velcro!
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 8:54:26 AM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>>
>>> Ted,
>>>
>>> Velo Orange says this (affordable, and now close-out) saddle is like the 
>>> B17.  Looks to be a small bit narrower.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/specials/products/microfiber-touring-saddle-wide
>>>
>>> (For comparison, the B17 does not work for me at all, and I found the 
>>> Velo Orange equally uncomfortable, in all the same ways!)
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone happen to have the measurements of a B17 handy for 
>>>> comparison? I’ve wanted to throw a less attractive saddle on my grocery 
>>>> getter because saddle theft is a thing around here with nice saddles, but 
>>>> I 
>>>> have yet to find anything as comfortable.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 10:43 PM Johnny Alien  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that is from Grant's new blog. Its a bit wide for me but there is 
>>>>> lots to like about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether or not it is true, I do not know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kim. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:47:42 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found this on the sub-Reddit site r/xbiking;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/comments/161zcw8/looks_like_rivs_new_plastic_saddle_is_coming_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=10&utm_content=1&rdt=63131
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks interesting with possibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>>>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bicycle Works new saddle coming out in September 2023

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Ted,

Velo Orange says this (affordable, and now close-out) saddle is like the 
B17.  Looks to be a small bit narrower.

https://velo-orange.com/collections/specials/products/microfiber-touring-saddle-wide

(For comparison, the B17 does not work for me at all, and I found the Velo 
Orange equally uncomfortable, in all the same ways!)

Liz
Washington, DC




On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does anyone happen to have the measurements of a B17 handy for comparison? 
> I’ve wanted to throw a less attractive saddle on my grocery getter because 
> saddle theft is a thing around here with nice saddles, but I have yet to 
> find anything as comfortable.
>
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 10:43 PM Johnny Alien  
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is from Grant's new blog. Its a bit wide for me but there is 
>> lots to like about it.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 10:01:03 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whether or not it is true, I do not know.
>>>
>>> Kim. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:47:42 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 I found this on the sub-Reddit site r/xbiking;


 https://www.reddit.com/r/xbiking/comments/161zcw8/looks_like_rivs_new_plastic_saddle_is_coming_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=10&utm_content=1&rdt=63131

 Looks interesting with possibilities.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO tiny older Riv (47ish) non-step thru

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Sean,

While it's not as lugged-out as the older frames, we noticed a bit back 
that the new/current Roadini 47cm frame has the exact same geometry as the 
original 47cm Saluki.  That may be your best bet!

Liz S.
Washington, DC 

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:09:29 PM UTC-4 Sean Steinle wrote:

> Looking for a tiny older Riv for my 5'2" wife, with decent tire clearance. 
> Thinking Saluki, Homer, Atlantis, maybe others, Bleriot, San Marcos, etc? 
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

+1 for the Kalloy Uno 602.  Nothing glamorous, but they just work! (and 
they come in silver...)

Liz
Washington, DC

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 5:33:57 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> Can't say anything about the Thompson post, but I have both the XC Pro and 
> S83, and the setback is the same on both within a millimetre or two (that's 
> to the front of the saddle rail clamp, which is what determines how far 
> back you can set the saddle).
>
> Some of the Kalloy UNO posts look to have a fair amount of setback, and 
> come in 26.8. e.g.
>
> https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-uno-602-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
>
> https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-sp-359-micro-top-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I can confirm that the Specialized Hover bars are great, too!

(They also have a version of the Hover with a flare at the drops, btw...)

Cheers!

-- Liz



On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:39:28 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thank you, Elizabeth; both those look very possible -- and yes, I should 
> have mentioned that I do want a 31.8mm clamp area.
>
> The Specialized website also showed these with a 15 mm rise: perhaps even 
> better: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise-plus-flare/p/155205?color=231077-155205&searchText=21018-3044
>
> I suppose all of these have 128 mm -- 130 mm drop; then the Hover with the 
> 15 mm rise is even better with a net 115 mm drop. Excellent.
>
> Nick: Thanks for referring the Fairweather, but the 2 Specialized bars 
> suit better.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Elisabeth Sherwood  
> wrote:
>
>> As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
>> Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
>> short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
>> has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
>> is either the same, or 75mm...
>>
>> I'm linking to the base-price versions...
>>
>>
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634
>>
>> https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2
>>
>> If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only 
>> thing I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of 
>> others!
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a 
>>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a 
>>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the 
>>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable 
>>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

As long as you don't mind a 31.8mm clamp area and a black finish, both 
Specialized's Shallow Bend handlebar and Zipp's 70 Ergo bars have a darn 
short reach and are super comfortable.  (Specialized has a round top; Zipp 
has a slightly flatter top...)  The Zipps have a 70mm reach; Specialized's 
is either the same, or 75mm...

I'm linking to the base-price versions...

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/expert-alloy-shallow-bend-handlebars/p/155634?color=230897-155634

https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/models/hb-dbsc-7e-b2

If you're looking for a silver finish and a 26.0 clamp area, the only thing 
I've found to be nice is the Soma Hwy One...  Would love to hear of others!

Liz
Washington, DC



On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a regular 
> hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a very 
> short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the cut-down 
> Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable hood 
> position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Nice looking 58cm SimpleOne for sale in Washington, DC!

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/7544082611.html

-- Liz
Washington, DC

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:02:26 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
> 62cm, double top tube
> $1,000
> Havre de Grace, MD
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/659471725439195/?hoisted=false&ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post
>
> [image: 309111465_5068415423263209_7180659657528188289_n.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:10:10 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Clem L
>> 59cm
>> $1350
>> Napa, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/napa-rivendell-clem-59-cm/7543048146.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Deore LX rapid-rise rear derailleur (RD-M580)

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

The Deore LX rapid-rise rear derailleur has been claimed... Thanks, all!

Liz S.
Washington, DC 

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:49:16 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I changed out the shifters and drivetrain on my Saluki, and can't think of 
> another use for the rapid-rise rear derailleur.  So, it's looking for a new 
> home. 
>
> It's in good condition and went through the parts washer after I took it 
> off. :-) 
>
> $25, including shipping?  (I'm basically just looking to cover what I hope 
> will be worst-case mailing costs...)  Paypal friends/family preferred
>
> Liz Sherwood
> Washington, DC 
>
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[RBW] FS: Deore LX rapid-rise rear derailleur (RD-M580)

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi all,

I changed out the shifters and drivetrain on my Saluki, and can't think of 
another use for the rapid-rise rear derailleur.  So, it's looking for a new 
home. 

It's in good condition and went through the parts washer after I took it 
off. :-) 

$25, including shipping?  (I'm basically just looking to cover what I hope 
will be worst-case mailing costs...)  Paypal friends/family preferred

Liz Sherwood
Washington, DC 

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[RBW] Re: Casual WTB: Small-Sized Roadish Riv/Any other short riders out there?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Just chiming in, as a 5'2" owner of a 47cm Saluki...  (52cm effective top 
tube on that, with a 72-degree seat-tube angle.)  Set up as a traditional 
road bike (although with a very short-reach stem, given that I have quite 
short arms).

Also to say that my first Riv purchase was a 48cm first-gen (possibly 
second-gen?) Hillborne. Maybe I bought it from Riv in 2009 or so? It was 
shortly after the start of the financial crisis...  Anyway, I figured that, 
well, of course a 48cm frame would fit...  And thus started my journey into 
better understanding bicycle geometry.  That Hillborne has an effective top 
tube of 54cm. Even set up as a flat-bar bike, it was wa to long for me. 
It now belongs to my 5'8" boyfriend; it's set up as a touring bike with 
road bars and he uses it for touring and gravel.  He loves that bike, and 
it fits him like a dream...

Long story short, if you are 5'2" or so and want to set up a Rivendell 
*with road handlebars*, you'll need an early-generation Saluki/Hilson or 
early-gen Atlantis.

(All that said, I once had a very-very small 1981 Nishiki Olympic 12.  
Tiny. With 27" wheels. That was a beautiful fit!  I still regret selling 
that! So, somewhere out there, there are v. small UJBs that will absolutely 
work for quite short riders!)

I wish you all the luck in the world! 

Liz S.
Washington, DC

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:48:04 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone looking to unload a small, road-ish Rivendell frame? Though my 
> heart belongs to mixtes (my sole bike is the Clem after selling my Platy), 
> I can't seem to get the idea of trying out a more classic, triangle frame 
> out of my mind! At 5'1.5 tall with a pbh of ~76, I am not even sure that a 
> bike with a typical top tube would work out well for me (even my 50 cm 
> platy felt a little bit large), but wanted to put this out into the 
> universe. On the other hand my 45cm Clem feels like it was made for me, 
> size-wise. 

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[RBW] Re: Shortening Stem Length

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I'm a small female, so all my stems are, say, 6 or 7cm in length; have 
never had an issue.

That said, aren't Noodles super long-reach in-and-of themselves?  What 
about using a shorter-reach bar?  I'm not sure if aesthetics are an issue, 
but the front set-up might look more proportional if you did that.  (I'm a 
big fan of the Soma Hwy 1 bars, which are available in a silver finish and 
with a 26.0 or 31.8 clamp size.)

Liz Sherwood
Washington, DC 



On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:53:38 PM UTC-5 Sean B. wrote:

> For awhile I've been riding my 2018 51cm AHH on a 9cm stem with the Nitto 
> Noodles. Last summer I decided over the winter I wanted to shorten the 
> reach a bit. I feel slightly stretched out when riding in the hoods, so I 
> tend to ride on the ramps/tops. Shortening it 1cm is too little. So should 
> I go for a 2cm or 3cm change? It's hard to see without actually riding on 
> them, but my guess is the 2cm change might be the best for me (I realize 
> this is super subjective). Does anyone else have experience with this 
> issue?  
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[RBW] Re: DMV Area Rivendell Riders

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Google map of the route I tried to describe (apologies -- I don't use 
Strava, etc!):


https://www.google.com/maps/dir/1900+Anacostia+Dr,+Washington,+DC+20020/38.9478436,-76.9513021/39.0161315,-77.0339141/39.0039933,-77.0635257/38.9364949,-77.0467458/38.8725407,-76.9856773/@38.9240425,-77.1558795,11z/data=!4m28!4m27!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7b9b6be231df5:0x65918a81dffb0c65!2m2!1d-76.9808677!2d38.873731!1m0!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-77.0458554!2d38.9502782!3s0x89b7c84880ffcc93:0xf8a67b030c82634c!1m10!3m4!1m2!1d-77.0111694!2d38.864629!3s0x89b7b760341cf4d1:0x30869822d13ebfd8!3m4!1m2!1d-77.0026141!2d38.8660516!3s0x89b7b9dc7de717ef:0x478413209f340c5c!1m0!3e1


On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 2:20:49 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood 
wrote:

> Would love to, Eric!  (Depending on timing, of course...)
>
> (And, I think I owe you an email...)
>
> A nice ride, staying mostly on local paths is:  (i) start south of the 
> Anacostia, along the Anacostia Riverwalk trail; head northeast along the 
> trail to Bladensburg; (ii) when you hit the fork where you can take either 
> the Northwest Branch or the Northeast Branch, go left and take the 
> Northwest Branch Trail; (iii) turn left onto the Sligo Creek Trail; keep 
> following that until the trail ends (or, rather, becomes more of a pure 
> walking path), and then just take Sligo Creek Parkway north; (iv) when 
> Sligo Creek hits Forest Glen Rd, take Forest Glen left (west) and then find 
> your way down to Forsythe Ave/Jones Mill Rd.
>
> At that point you can decide if you'd like to head north-ish on Beach 
> Drive for a few miles, ending up at Garrett Park, which is the local 
> turnaround. Or you can go south on Jones Mill, which will lead to the 
> southern section of Beach Drive.  That section of Beach Drive is closed off 
> to cars.  
>
> Once you've gone down Beach Drive, there are multiple city-street-based 
> ways to get back to the Anacostia Riverwalk trail.
>
> Will do up a Google Maps thing so you can see what that looks like...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Liz Sherwood
> Washington, DC 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 12:29:29 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi DMV people – Anyone interested in meeting up for a ride sometime soon 
>> in or around DC? I'm unfamiliar with good routes and rides and of course 
>> open to suggestions. Would love to ride for a few hours :) Cold doesn't 
>> bother me but looks like we might be getting some nice weather before long. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 4:42:34 PM UTC-5 mrb wrote:
>>
>>> While out today in Rock Creek Park (not on my Riv, unfortunately), I saw 
>>> THREE new Rivs I haven't seen before!
>>>
>>> - A nicely racked up and fendered Hunq
>>> - A different Hunq 
>>> - Maybe a custom or a road? Greenish silverish and said "Rivendell"
>>>
>>> Best part was seeing the racked up, very upright and comfortable Hunq 
>>> rider, whose smile was visible from a mile away. I swear half the time i 
>>> see a rider with a big smile, upright position, and a steel bike, it's a 
>>> Riv!
>>>
>>> A Rivendell just makes you happy to Ride!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:05:27 PM UTC-4 Chris M wrote:
>>>
>>>> MRB-- 
>>>>
>>>> I think that was me on the burgundy custom on 5th! That was my first 
>>>> ride on it, so I haven't taken photos yet. I'm in Takoma Park, too! Seems 
>>>> like a Rivendell-ish sort of town. 
>>>>
>>>> A meetup sounds fun! 
>>>>
>>>> -Chris 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:12:58 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We should do a meetup sometime!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 10:28:56 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Michael,
>>>>>> I live in Arlington with my MIT Atlantis.  Take a look at it on 
>>>>>> another thread -- Show Me Your Atlantis.  Most of my riding allows me to 
>>>>>> ride from my home in Rosslyn or start a short drive away -- the Mt. 
>>>>>> Vernon 
>>>>>> Trail, the C&O Canal, the Anacostia Trail, the Arlington Loop, Haynes 
>>>>>> Point, and my most regular ride a 10-miler from home around the U.S. 
>>>>>> Capitol and back.  I tend to ride just after dawn as the trails are not 
>>>>>> crowded at that time.  Thanks for starting this thread.
>>>>>> Steve
>>

[RBW] Re: DMV Area Rivendell Riders

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Would love to, Eric!  (Depending on timing, of course...)

(And, I think I owe you an email...)

A nice ride, staying mostly on local paths is:  (i) start south of the 
Anacostia, along the Anacostia Riverwalk trail; head northeast along the 
trail to Bladensburg; (ii) when you hit the fork where you can take either 
the Northwest Branch or the Northeast Branch, go left and take the 
Northwest Branch Trail; (iii) turn left onto the Sligo Creek Trail; keep 
following that until the trail ends (or, rather, becomes more of a pure 
walking path), and then just take Sligo Creek Parkway north; (iv) when 
Sligo Creek hits Forest Glen Rd, take Forest Glen left (west) and then find 
your way down to Forsythe Ave/Jones Mill Rd.

At that point you can decide if you'd like to head north-ish on Beach Drive 
for a few miles, ending up at Garrett Park, which is the local turnaround. 
Or you can go south on Jones Mill, which will lead to the southern section 
of Beach Drive.  That section of Beach Drive is closed off to cars.  

Once you've gone down Beach Drive, there are multiple city-street-based 
ways to get back to the Anacostia Riverwalk trail.

Will do up a Google Maps thing so you can see what that looks like...

Cheers!

Liz Sherwood
Washington, DC 



On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 12:29:29 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi DMV people – Anyone interested in meeting up for a ride sometime soon 
> in or around DC? I'm unfamiliar with good routes and rides and of course 
> open to suggestions. Would love to ride for a few hours :) Cold doesn't 
> bother me but looks like we might be getting some nice weather before long. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 4:42:34 PM UTC-5 mrb wrote:
>
>> While out today in Rock Creek Park (not on my Riv, unfortunately), I saw 
>> THREE new Rivs I haven't seen before!
>>
>> - A nicely racked up and fendered Hunq
>> - A different Hunq 
>> - Maybe a custom or a road? Greenish silverish and said "Rivendell"
>>
>> Best part was seeing the racked up, very upright and comfortable Hunq 
>> rider, whose smile was visible from a mile away. I swear half the time i 
>> see a rider with a big smile, upright position, and a steel bike, it's a 
>> Riv!
>>
>> A Rivendell just makes you happy to Ride!
>>
>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:05:27 PM UTC-4 Chris M wrote:
>>
>>> MRB-- 
>>>
>>> I think that was me on the burgundy custom on 5th! That was my first 
>>> ride on it, so I haven't taken photos yet. I'm in Takoma Park, too! Seems 
>>> like a Rivendell-ish sort of town. 
>>>
>>> A meetup sounds fun! 
>>>
>>> -Chris 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:12:58 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>>>
 We should do a meetup sometime!

 On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 10:28:56 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:

> Hey Michael,
> I live in Arlington with my MIT Atlantis.  Take a look at it on 
> another thread -- Show Me Your Atlantis.  Most of my riding allows me to 
> ride from my home in Rosslyn or start a short drive away -- the Mt. 
> Vernon 
> Trail, the C&O Canal, the Anacostia Trail, the Arlington Loop, Haynes 
> Point, and my most regular ride a 10-miler from home around the U.S. 
> Capitol and back.  I tend to ride just after dawn as the trails are not 
> crowded at that time.  Thanks for starting this thread.
> Steve
> Arlington
>
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:59:55 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Hey, Tom here!
>> I ride a limeolive Platypus and I live out in the Herndon area 
>> (Virginia).  I typically don't make it to DC with that bike very often 
>> -- 
>> maybe I will more when the Silver Line station near my house opens next 
>> spring.   I'm active with Fairfax Alliance for Better Bicycling out this 
>> way.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Recommendation Requested

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

p.s.  Went to Trek's website and this is the one we got for my mother's 
bike: 

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/cycling-components/bike-saddles/fitness-bike-saddles/bontrager-commuter-comp-bike-saddle/p/21588/?colorCode=black

And this one seems similar; a little narrower, and a little cheaper: 

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/cycling-components/bike-saddles/fitness-bike-saddles/bontrager-sport-bike-saddle/p/14011/?colorCode=black

Liz



On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 9:30:44 AM UTC-8 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> A couple years ago my mother bought a Trek 7100 or similar (step-through 
> upright/comfort hybrid). I didn't really think anything of it (positive or 
> negative), other than, oh, that's a decent upright/comfort hybrid for her 
> that she can ride around the neighborhood. 
>
> And then one day I tried to ride it. I nearly died. It came/comes with a 
> very short, very "puffy" saddle (although not soft -- you don't really sink 
> down on the saddle), with very short rails.  So it pushes the rider quite 
> forward, toward the bars, and then puts weight on the rider's hands/arms.  
> And because it's so darn short, with short rails, there's nothing you can 
> do about it. You can't move it, or you, backwards to get the weight off 
> your arms.
>
> Anyway, went to the local Trek store (that's all there is here) and found 
> a relatively wide saddle with longer rails. It's from Bontrager, but don't 
> know what model (but it wasn't expensive).  It's actually quite wide -- 
> it's probably 168mm at the widest part of the saddle -- and it's not at all 
> "puffy", but it's really quite comfortable to ride.  (It has a center 
> cut-out, but given the riding position it doesn't seem necessary!) My 
> mother loves riding her bike now.  (And I can ride it and not think, "good 
> lord! What sadist designed this bicycle??")
>
> So, that's my advice -- find something kind of standard but wide enough to 
> sit *on*, with long enough rails to move the saddle back and forth. 
>
> Good luck!
>
> Liz Sherwood
> Washington, DC (thought currently in the Palm Springs area, where my 
> mother's bike is... :-) )
>
> On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 7:41:06 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Over the past several weeks I've been overhauling a bike that belongs to 
>> a lady who can't afford much.  It's a Huffy Broadmoor so nothing fancy. 
>>  Anyway, I've been talking to her about changing saddles.  This bike has a 
>> step-through frame pretty much on the order of some of the Riv bikes like 
>> the Platy and it is equipped with run-of-the-mill bars, which means that 
>> she's riding in an upright position.  So she has one of those thick, 
>> heavily padded, wide, wide saddles that looks like someone cut it out of a 
>> mattress.  I have convinced her to look for something more suitable for 
>> efficient pedaling (she's apparently been riding around in the highest gear 
>> - 80 inch - at what must be a very low cadence).
>>
>> So...what are some of you who ride Riv bikes that have been introduced in 
>> recent years that encourage an upright riding style using for a saddle? 
>>  Seems like some of the pics I've seen on this blog show bikes equipped 
>> with narrower leather models.  Not sure if she'll be amenable to those, but 
>> any input is welcome.  I've also talked to her about "sits" bone width and 
>> measurements she's taken seem to indicate that their around the 110-115mm 
>> range.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Recommendation Requested

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi George,

A couple years ago my mother bought a Trek 7100 or similar (step-through 
upright/comfort hybrid). I didn't really think anything of it (positive or 
negative), other than, oh, that's a decent upright/comfort hybrid for her 
that she can ride around the neighborhood. 

And then one day I tried to ride it. I nearly died. It came/comes with a 
very short, very "puffy" saddle (although not soft -- you don't really sink 
down on the saddle), with very short rails.  So it pushes the rider quite 
forward, toward the bars, and then puts weight on the rider's hands/arms.  
And because it's so darn short, with short rails, there's nothing you can 
do about it. You can't move it, or you, backwards to get the weight off 
your arms.

Anyway, went to the local Trek store (that's all there is here) and found a 
relatively wide saddle with longer rails. It's from Bontrager, but don't 
know what model (but it wasn't expensive).  It's actually quite wide -- 
it's probably 168mm at the widest part of the saddle -- and it's not at all 
"puffy", but it's really quite comfortable to ride.  (It has a center 
cut-out, but given the riding position it doesn't seem necessary!) My 
mother loves riding her bike now.  (And I can ride it and not think, "good 
lord! What sadist designed this bicycle??")

So, that's my advice -- find something kind of standard but wide enough to 
sit *on*, with long enough rails to move the saddle back and forth. 

Good luck!

Liz Sherwood
Washington, DC (thought currently in the Palm Springs area, where my 
mother's bike is... :-) )

On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 7:41:06 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Over the past several weeks I've been overhauling a bike that belongs to a 
> lady who can't afford much.  It's a Huffy Broadmoor so nothing fancy. 
>  Anyway, I've been talking to her about changing saddles.  This bike has a 
> step-through frame pretty much on the order of some of the Riv bikes like 
> the Platy and it is equipped with run-of-the-mill bars, which means that 
> she's riding in an upright position.  So she has one of those thick, 
> heavily padded, wide, wide saddles that looks like someone cut it out of a 
> mattress.  I have convinced her to look for something more suitable for 
> efficient pedaling (she's apparently been riding around in the highest gear 
> - 80 inch - at what must be a very low cadence).
>
> So...what are some of you who ride Riv bikes that have been introduced in 
> recent years that encourage an upright riding style using for a saddle? 
>  Seems like some of the pics I've seen on this blog show bikes equipped 
> with narrower leather models.  Not sure if she'll be amenable to those, but 
> any input is welcome.  I've also talked to her about "sits" bone width and 
> measurements she's taken seem to indicate that their around the 110-115mm 
> range.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: DMV Area Rivendell Riders

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I live near Dupont Circle and have/ride a very, very small butternut 
Saluki; boyfriend has a green-ish first-generation Hillborne here in DC 
(and a lovely (and adored) orange Rambouillet in California, bought years 
ago through a tip on this list).  I looked for photos, and the ones we have 
are terrible, so those will have to wait.

But, Michael, I ride on Kennedy at least once every couple of weeks! 
(Mid-way through 2020, desperate for regular exercise, friends and I 
started meeting up at 6:00 am 2-3 mornings a week and doing quick-and-dirty 
(@ 20 mile) rides and around through the city -- we often find ourselves 
flying east on Kennedy, having come from Rock Creek, or going west slightly 
slower, heading to the park. Will have to look for your shop!) 

Liz  Sherwood
Washington, DC 

On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 6:52:51 AM UTC-4 mrb wrote:

> Gorgeous Hunq! 
>
> A great story here! The rider of the Red Custom Riv got back to me 
> off-list! He's waiting for his message to be approved, but he saw my "Riv 
> Bat Signal" and responded! We're gaining steam!
>
> I own a record shop on NW Kennedy St near Rock Creek -- we could meet up 
> over there some time!
>
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:38:19 PM UTC-4 WETH wrote:
>
>> I'm in the Kensington area and commute by bike to NW DC.  I have a 
>> Hunqapillar, photo attached.  A meetup would be fun!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:16:53 AM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>>
>>> I found out that Paul R and I both live in Takoma Park, and I know he 
>>> has a stable of 3 amazing Rivs. As a recent Romulus acquirer, I've gotten a 
>>> few shout outs on the streets in the past couple months. Recently, I've 
>>> also spotted two super nice rigs out on the trails/streets:
>>>
>>> - A super sweet racked and fendered up Cheviot in Grayish/Blue (I think) 
>>> on the MBT trail out near ~M or so
>>> - A burgundy custom rivendell with a super sick setup riding up 5th st NW
>>>
>>> If you live and ride in the DC/Maryland/Virginia metro area, shout it 
>>> out here and show some pics!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Thanks, Doug!  Yes -- with 1.5" tires, there is *just* room for fenders!  
Would be nice to have room for wider tires plus fenders, but 1.5" is good 
enough... 

That's exactly the way I would set up the Atlantis for me as well (although 
probably without the riser -- a Technomic Deluxe height would be enough for 
me, I expect).  

-- Liz

On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 9:51:26 PM UTC+2 dougP wrote:

> Elisabeth:
>
> My wife has 47cm Atlantis & with 1.5" tires it has around 1/2" clearance 
> between the top of the tire & the bottom of the fork.  It's an early 
> production one & has the 44cm chainstays.  She doesn't have fenders but it 
> looks like they would fit.  She's just under 5'2" tall, rides with drop 
> bars, a 6 or 7 cm stem, & a bar riser adapter.  Absolutely loves the bike.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 2:30:55 AM UTC-7 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>
>> Would absolutely be in for that -- with the original geometry, please, 
>> including a size that will actually work (with drop-bar set-up) for someone 
>> between 5'0" and 5'2"!   (But, in this round, room in the fork for the 47cm 
>> frame to include a fender!)
>>
>> -- Liz
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 9:31:39 PM UTC+2 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living 
>>> in Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
>>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
>>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
>>> size.
>>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with 
>>> some of these aspects from those first runs:
>>>
>>>1. The color (of course)
>>>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>>>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>>>with 26' in all sizes)
>>>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a 
>>>hair bigger in the large sizes)
>>>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>>>
>>> Who else would sign up for one?
>>> What other aspects would you like?
>>>
>>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Would absolutely be in for that -- with the original geometry, please, 
including a size that will actually work (with drop-bar set-up) for someone 
between 5'0" and 5'2"!   (But, in this round, room in the fork for the 47cm 
frame to include a fender!)

-- Liz


On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 9:31:39 PM UTC+2 Edwin W wrote:

> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
> size.
> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
> of these aspects from those first runs:
>
>1. The color (of course)
>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>with 26' in all sizes)
>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
>bigger in the large sizes)
>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>
> Who else would sign up for one?
> What other aspects would you like?
>
> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, that 47cm Atlantis! My dream bike. And 3,000 miles away...  :-( 

On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:34:41 AM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Atlantis
> 47cm
> $2000
> Encinitas, CA
>
>
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/encinitas-rivendell-atlantis-47-cm/7338817775.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Quite large orange Hillborne in Arlington, VA:

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/arlington-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7312291807.html

Hope someone can take advantage of it!

Liz S.
Washington, DC 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Mini Front Rack and small-ish Wald basket

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Thanks for everyone's interest -- the rack and basket have been sold.  
(And, apologies, Philip -- someone had sent me a direct message a while 
before...)

Liz S.

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 10:07:21 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll take those please.
>
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:16:02 AM UTC-8 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>
>> Hello again, all,
>>
>> Selling my Nitto Mini Front Rack and the small-ish Wald basket (about 10" 
>> x 15" x 5" deep).  I bought these years ago when I bought my Sam Hillborne, 
>> but took them off pretty early on and replaced them with a rear rack. These 
>> are basically un-used. (And, if they have been used, there are no signs of 
>> it!)
>>
>> Prefer to keep them together (presumably it's not worth it to sell and 
>> ship the basket...) $110 for either just the rack or for both, shipped 
>> within the continental US?
>>
>> Liz S.
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/nitto-mini-front-rack-32f-20020
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/wald-wire-basket
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Small Sackville Saddlesack in very good to excellent condition

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Well, that went quickly... Sold... 

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 1:34:07 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I bought this a few years ago from another listmember, but it turns out my 
> boyfriend and I are really just confirmed rack-and-pannier people. I'm 
> pretty sure we never got around to using this.  That said, I always thought 
> this was the perfect size for this style of bag, and I'm amazed that Riv 
> discontinued it due to lack of popularity!
>
> Khaki/Olive-ish fabric, in very good to excellent condition (sorry about 
> the lighting of the photos...). It has a Rivelo patch on it from the 
> previous owner. Some marks where it rests against the seatpost.  Fits four 
> large rolls of toilet paper with tons of space to spare!
>
> $100 shipped in the continental US?  Paypal...
>
> Liz Sherwood
> Washington, DC
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Another 53cm Atlantis F/F/HS

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oops -- never mind! I see that it's the made-in-Taiwan frame (so, 
crazy-long chainstays and top tube...).  Cheers!

Liz
Washington, DC 


On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 10:56:02 AM UTC-4, Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if that's the older-geometry Atlantis? Or the newer 
> geometry, with the crazy-long chainstays and top tube?  Thanks!
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 2:35:31 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>> on eBay:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/303609777102
>>
>> (it's not mine and I have no relation to the seller)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Another 53cm Atlantis F/F/HS

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Does anyone know if that's the older-geometry Atlantis? Or the newer 
geometry, with the crazy-long chainstays and top tube?  Thanks!

Liz
Washington, DC


On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 2:35:31 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> on eBay:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/303609777102
>
> (it's not mine and I have no relation to the seller)

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[RBW] Re: Backabike bags versus Ortlieb Sports Packer Classics: practical capacity and ease of closure

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

While I love the simple look and the fabric of the Backabikes, it seems 
that, with the leather buckle closures, they are meant to be left on one's 
bike. For me, they just wouldn't be useful for things like groceries, 
unfortunately!  (And here in the city I just wouldn't leave bags on 
bicycles, no matter how difficult they are to put on and take off!)

Would love to hear that others have a different experience with them.

Liz
Washington, DC



On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 3:16:22 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Has anyone used both, and can that person tell me whether the Backabikes 
> hold as much as the Ortliebs? The Ortiliebs are rated at 100 ci more each, 
> but I think that involves the extendable lip at the opening.
>
> So: Practically speaking, when you are at the checkout counter hastily 
> dumping groceries -- cans, milk jugs, bags of onions, loaves of bread -- 
> into the bag, how do these 2 bags compare in practical capacity and absence 
> of fiddliness?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Washington DC bike shop

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Since you're up in Takoma Park, Paul, I would try Proteus Bikes (in College 
Park). I'm not familiar with their 
current mechanics, but they have a very good reputation.

Liz Sherwood
Washington, DC



On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 9:52:16 AM UTC-4, Paul Richardson wrote:
>
> howdy folks--
>
> i'm new to the greater DC metro area and looking for a new bike shop with 
> a reliable mechanic.  any leads welcome.
>
> thanks
> paul
> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Homer Hilsen size 46

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Drw,

Of course everyone's experience varies, but my 48cm Sam Hillborne has an 
ETT of 54cm, and even with swept-back handlebars the bike just felt too big 
to me (I'm 5'2").  We converted it to drops for my 5'8" boyfriend and he 
absolutely loves the bike -- rides it for everything.

It's great that it works for your 5'0" partner, though!

Liz 
Washington, DC



On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 12:10:13 AM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but what about a 48cm Sam 
> Hillborne? My partner is like 5’0” and her’s fits great.

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[RBW] Re: Converting a triple to a low/low

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

So, how does one go about cutting down the teeth on a chainring?  I 
practically never use my large chainring; on another bike I replaced it 
with a chainguard, but would be happy with another option!

Thanks in advance,

Liz
Washington, DC


On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> For what Roman did you would need shorter "track" style chain ring bolts. 
> I googled $22 for Sugino at Ben's or $8 shipped for generic on ebay. 
> You might have to experiment with F derailleurs for optimal placement. 
> Maybe a shorter cage double road derailleur or an old Micro Drive front 
> would work better. Many mountain or road Triple derailleurs will hit the 
> chain stay if you lower them, see how high the derailleur is in the pic 
> below, and the tail just clears the stay. 
>
> Be warned: An indexed front shifter will probably not work well when 
> changing rings.
>
> I prefer cutting down an outer ring to act as a guard, but that gives you 
> a large ring "look".
>
> [image: Willow Guard.jpg]
>
>
> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>> Yes I agree that is the simplest method! The main reason I would remove 
>> it is because I don't use it and prefer the look of a crankset with small 
>> rings.  It's a visual thing for me.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:38:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> It's even simpler: don't ride the outer ring, consider it a rockguard 
>>> with teeth, and a "holy smokes this is a wonderful 10 mile gentle descent 
>>> with a tailwind that never happens" gear. Grin. But yes, nothing fancy. My 
>>> QB has a single front chainring on its stock triple, leaving the two inside 
>>> slots open, and it rides beautifully despite the chainline being "wrong". 
>>> Quiet and smooth as a mouse. If I ever decide to add a ring, I likely have 
>>> some thread cleaning to do, otherwise no biggie. Purists may say you need 
>>> to do xz,y, or z. Only if you're a purist. I'm not. I'm a dirtist. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Homer Hilsen size 46

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi again, Rachel,

If you think that the 47 Saluki would be too big for you (and assuming that 
you are interested only in a road-bike set-up), then I don't think there's 
anything that Rivendell makes that would work. As far as I'm aware, the 
smallest effective-top-tube they've ever made in any stock bike is 52cm...  
:-(  

I'd go with one of the 43cm All City's (Space Horse, specifically...), or 
one of the smaller Surly's.  (I just hopped on a 42cm Pack Rat the other 
day and, despite the for-me-rather-aggressive geometry, it felt pretty 
good!)

Good luck,

-- Liz



On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 1:12:49 PM UTC-4, Rachel Fritz wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing that thread, Liz. That bike would be too big for me 
> too! I searched lconley and didn’t find anything about other bikes dams. 
>
> I did call Riv, and basically my only option is a custom. Darn! You’re 
> lucky you got one of those, Shoji!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Shoji Takahashi  > wrote:
>
> Hi Rachel,
> Did you call Riv? Sometimes they find frames in their storage. 
>
> Good luck! I love my [Toyo-made] AHH.
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 6:58:37 AM UTC-4, Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rachel,
>>
>> Take a look at Laing Conley's post (lconley) from not too long ago for a 
>> 47cm Roadini.  That wasn't what you were looking for, but it sounded like 
>> she might have other bikes around that size that might be looking for homes.
>>
>> (I have a 47cm Saluki, which was the smallest Rivendell made the Homer 
>> Hilsen and Saluki. I'm 5'2" with pretty "normal" proportions of legs to 
>> torso; it's a road bike set-up, with Soma Highway One bars maybe a 
>> centimeter above the saddle level, and, frankly, it's just a *smidge* too 
>> long, even with a 6cm Nitto stem, but not so bad that I've taken the step 
>> of getting the 5cm stem).  The effective top tube is 52cm.  YMMV.)
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:35:47 PM UTC-4, Rachel Fritz wrote:
>>>
>>> The Homer Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for me, but they no longer 
>>> make it small enough! Help! Anyone have a size 46 they’re looking To Sell? 
>>> I’m in the Seattle area. Let me know! 
>>>
>>> Rachel
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO Homer Hilsen size 46

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Rachel,

Take a look at Laing Conley's post (lconley) from not too long ago for a 
47cm Roadini.  That wasn't what you were looking for, but it sounded like 
she might have other bikes around that size that might be looking for homes.

(I have a 47cm Saluki, which was the smallest Rivendell made the Homer 
Hilsen and Saluki. I'm 5'2" with pretty "normal" proportions of legs to 
torso; it's a road bike set-up, with Soma Highway One bars maybe a 
centimeter above the saddle level, and, frankly, it's just a *smidge* too 
long, even with a 6cm Nitto stem, but not so bad that I've taken the step 
of getting the 5cm stem).  The effective top tube is 52cm.  YMMV.)

Good luck,

Liz
Washington, DC






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>
> The Homer Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for me, but they no longer 
> make it small enough! Help! Anyone have a size 46 they’re looking To Sell? 
> I’m in the Seattle area. Let me know! 
>
> Rachel

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[RBW] Re: Joe Starck Rivendell Custom

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

That color is absolutely gorgeous...

Liz S.
Washington, DC



On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 10:08:23 AM UTC-4, y2bike wrote:
>
> That color was called persimmon and it was a custom color by Joe Bell back 
> then. My was built in the spring of 1998 by *Joe Starck as well, standard 
> road geometry* *with a custom tube set.** I* commuted to work on it just 
> last week, 27 miles RT.
>
> Mike O.
> Durham, NC
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:03:22 PM UTC-4, Keith Muller wrote:
>>
>> Hey All!
>>
>> Just slaving a away in the shop today wrenching in the heat of the muggy 
>> day in Kansas.  Just thought I would share a couple pics of this Joe Starck 
>> Custom I currently have in the stand.  Produced in September of 1998.  John 
>> Bell paint!  The color in wonderful, and besides a little wear here and 
>> there, it looks great for being two decades old.  
>>
>> Keith
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Rene,

That was me -- the maps are super popular and the shop often runs out of 
them, so when I found myself in the area I figured I would just grab one... 
Glad you got it, and hope you got to use it yesterday!

Best,

-- Liz S.


On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 8:40:40 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Thanks again for every suggestion and insight, and especially to the super 
> awesome person who had a bike map delivered/dropped at the hotel for me. I 
> wish you had signed your name, as I certainly was touched by the gesture. 
> Regrettably, the work plans got all complicated and I ended up leaving the 
> bike home. However, I expect to be able to make some room on Monday to rent 
> a bike and go for a ride.
>
> With all the new guidelines and suggestions plus my brand new map, I’ll 
> certainly try to ensure I can bring my bike whenever another chance comes 
> up to come to DC.
>
> You guys all rock!
>
> René 
>  
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:55 PM Lum Gim Fong  > wrote:
>
>> 🎼“I’m just a bill. 🎹And I’m sittin’ here on Capitol Hill.”. 🎶🎵
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

You're welcome! Enjoy DC!

(Hope you got the map when you checked in [figured it was safer than 
risking the shop being out of them]. Was stunned to see Bike&Roll rental 
bikes right there at the hotel entrance!)

-- Liz



On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 7:33:39 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Got it. Thanks!
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
> elisabeth...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi Rene,
>>
>> I just meant that DC is pretty much encircled by off-street, multi-use 
>> paths (the Capital Crescent Trail; the Mount Vernon and the Custis Trails; 
>> the Anacostia Riverwalk Trail [although technically a lot of that is 
>> through the city -- it's just along one of the rivers]), as well as by two 
>> that go through the city (Rock Creek Park Trail, although that one is in 
>> such poor condition in some spots that it's really only fun to ride on the 
>> weekends, when they close off the adjacent Parkway to cars; and the 
>> Metropolitan Branch Trail, which doesn't go for very far before you have to 
>> go onto city streets). The map makes it clear where those are and which 
>> city streets best get to them...
>>
>> I would include Hains Point in that list, but technically it is a street. 
>> :-) But since it's a loop around a park, there isn't traffic, per se. 
>>
>> And I'll add my +1 for riding around the Mall/the monuments at night! 
>> They're beautiful.
>>
>> Enjoy the city!
>>
>> -- Liz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 4:06:38 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Liz! I'll do that.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "access to and from the off-street trails"?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
>>> elisabeth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>>
>>>> The Renaissance is only a few blocks from BicycleSpace, one of the 
>>>> shops in the city. Stop by when you arrive and pick up the Washington DC 
>>>> bicycle map, which will give you some good routes in the city and, more 
>>>> important, access to and from the off-street trails, of which there are 
>>>> quite a few. BicycleSpace is at 440 K Street Northwest (K Street NW 
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=440+K+Street+Northwest+(K+Street+NW&entry=gmail&source=g>,
>>>>  
>>>> between 4th and 5th Streets).
>>>>
>>>> Link to the map here (but much, much easier to have the paper map): 
>>>> http://godcgo.com/bike/
>>>>
>>>> Have a lovely visit!
>>>>
>>>> Liz Sherwood
>>>> Washington, DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to go to Washington DC for 5 days next week for a meeting, 
>>>>> and was wondering if it's worth bringing my Bike Friday with me to get 
>>>>> some 
>>>>> nice early morning rides. I'll be staying at the Renaissance Hotel 
>>>>> Downtown, and all rides would have to start/finish at the hotel, although 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> could get an Uber to go somewhere and put the bike in the trunk as an 
>>>>> option as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do the locals recommend? Any nice rides, not in the middle of 
>>>>> traffic that would be worth doing? Any riding trails in the area worth 
>>>>> exploring? Most of my potential rides would likely be 60-90 minutes long 
>>>>> at 
>>>>> most.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any suggestions and recommendations,
>>>>>
>>>>> René 
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Rene,

I just meant that DC is pretty much encircled by off-street, multi-use 
paths (the Capital Crescent Trail; the Mount Vernon and the Custis Trails; 
the Anacostia Riverwalk Trail [although technically a lot of that is 
through the city -- it's just along one of the rivers]), as well as by two 
that go through the city (Rock Creek Park Trail, although that one is in 
such poor condition in some spots that it's really only fun to ride on the 
weekends, when they close off the adjacent Parkway to cars; and the 
Metropolitan Branch Trail, which doesn't go for very far before you have to 
go onto city streets). The map makes it clear where those are and which 
city streets best get to them...

I would include Hains Point in that list, but technically it is a street. 
:-) But since it's a loop around a park, there isn't traffic, per se. 

And I'll add my +1 for riding around the Mall/the monuments at night! 
They're beautiful.

Enjoy the city!

-- Liz




On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 4:06:38 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Thanks Liz! I'll do that.
>
> What do you mean by "access to and from the off-street trails"?
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood <
> elisabeth...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi Rene,
>>
>> The Renaissance is only a few blocks from BicycleSpace, one of the shops 
>> in the city. Stop by when you arrive and pick up the Washington DC bicycle 
>> map, which will give you some good routes in the city and, more important, 
>> access to and from the off-street trails, of which there are quite a few. 
>> BicycleSpace is at 440 K Street Northwest (K Street NW 
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=440+K+Street+Northwest+(K+Street+NW&entry=gmail&source=g>,
>>  
>> between 4th and 5th Streets).
>>
>> Link to the map here (but much, much easier to have the paper map): 
>> http://godcgo.com/bike/
>>
>> Have a lovely visit!
>>
>> Liz Sherwood
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm going to go to Washington DC for 5 days next week for a meeting, and 
>>> was wondering if it's worth bringing my Bike Friday with me to get some 
>>> nice early morning rides. I'll be staying at the Renaissance Hotel 
>>> Downtown, and all rides would have to start/finish at the hotel, although I 
>>> could get an Uber to go somewhere and put the bike in the trunk as an 
>>> option as well.
>>>
>>> What do the locals recommend? Any nice rides, not in the middle of 
>>> traffic that would be worth doing? Any riding trails in the area worth 
>>> exploring? Most of my potential rides would likely be 60-90 minutes long at 
>>> most.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any suggestions and recommendations,
>>>
>>> René 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Cycling around Downtown Washington DC...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Rene,

The Renaissance is only a few blocks from BicycleSpace, one of the shops in 
the city. Stop by when you arrive and pick up the Washington DC bicycle 
map, which will give you some good routes in the city and, more important, 
access to and from the off-street trails, of which there are quite a few. 
BicycleSpace is at 440 K Street Northwest (K Street NW, between 4th and 5th 
Streets).

Link to the map here (but much, much easier to have the paper 
map): http://godcgo.com/bike/

Have a lovely visit!

Liz Sherwood
Washington, DC



On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm going to go to Washington DC for 5 days next week for a meeting, and 
> was wondering if it's worth bringing my Bike Friday with me to get some 
> nice early morning rides. I'll be staying at the Renaissance Hotel 
> Downtown, and all rides would have to start/finish at the hotel, although I 
> could get an Uber to go somewhere and put the bike in the trunk as an 
> option as well.
>
> What do the locals recommend? Any nice rides, not in the middle of traffic 
> that would be worth doing? Any riding trails in the area worth exploring? 
> Most of my potential rides would likely be 60-90 minutes long at most.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions and recommendations,
>
> René 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi, William, and thanks so much for the response!

Unfortunately, I'm actually not mystified by bicycle geometry. :-)  I work 
in a bike shop and if I'm around always work with the shorter women who 
come in hoping to be fit on road bikes (and I've trained all the other 
staff and mechanics to understand the issues). I also have experience with 
other models of Rivendells -- between my boyfriend and me, we have three 
(one for me; two for the boyfriend).  We visit the SF Bay Area at least 
once a year to see family and always take a ride to visit Rivendell HQ.

Unfortunately, the new 47cm Atlantis frame -- if the ETT of 54cm is correct 
-- will not work for me (even with the nicely slack seat-tube angle) _if I 
would like to use drop bars_.  It's a lovely frame, and perhaps in 20 years 
or so I may prefer swept-back bars on a beautifully designed, 
somewhat-rough-stuff all-rounder, but not at this time.

It's unfortunate (for me and for similarly height-challenged women who 
could probably justify a $1,600 frame but who would have a harder time 
justifying a nearly $3,000 one!), but there are far great tragedies in the 
world!

Enjoying the list/forum, and always happy when I check in to read the 
updates. I wish Rivendell a long and prosperous future! All the best,

Elisabeth Sherwood
Washington, DC


On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 12:11:27 AM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Dear Elisabeth,
>
> This is why stack and reach sizing helps cut through the mess that sloping 
> top tubes and variable setback creates. 
>
> I turn out to be a bone-stock 56 cm racing bike rider based on the CONI 
> manual, but that ends up being a: 57, a 55, or a 53 in Grant Petersen 
> machines depending on the model, somewhere around a 59 in French-fit rando 
> machines. 
>
> It all works out to: 73 from the tip of my saddle to the top of the brake 
> lever, 2" or so drop, and 73 saddle height with drop bars. Adjust for loop 
> bars, add a pile of reach for mountain bike bars, and hope that nobody has 
> cut the threadless steerer too short on non-gp machines.
>
> By the way, GP bikes were traditionally built with ling top tubes and 
> slack seat tubes, contrary to the long-leg and short torso design orthodoxy 
> for women. Individual variation trumps generalization, but stack and reach 
> will help demystify the effective geo of sloping bikes.
>
> Or you can call in to the mothership. They won't steer you astray.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M deRosset
> Fort Collins CO USA
>
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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, boy -- I'm so disappointed! I was looking forward to seeing the 
geometry on the 47cm frame size, hoping that it would be the same (or 
close!) as the current design and/or the Homer Hilson.

No luck -- the chart says the ETT is 54cm.  Way too long for someone 5'2" 
(at least, for a woman with a relatively standard woman's proportion 
between legs/torso/arms) and hoping to use drop bars. Even with the slack 
seat-tube angle, it just seems way too long.

Maybe they'll build one up with drop bars to try out one day in Walnut 
Creek someday. 

Elisabeth Sherwood
Washington, DC



On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 3:53:02 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> I have an Atlantis that I dearly love and I still find this to be 
> exciting.  Also, good to see the 47 cm is back.  My wife absolutely loves 
> hers but could not ride anything larger, and there are many people in her 
> size range.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 12:34:00 PM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> If I didn't already have a Joe A that I dearly love, I would be very 
>> tempted.
>>
>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 3:24:37 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Now you can put your money down on a new Atlantis:
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-new-atlantis
>>>
>>> Happy shopping! 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I think someone else in the DC area has already volunteered to help get it 
to any out-of-town interested parties. I'd also be happy to help. Looks 
like such a lovely bike -- deserves someone who appreciates it! (I wish I 
were a foot taller!)

-- Liz


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 3:25:55 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> It's my bike - still available. I'm looking to make a local sale, so 
> didn't push to advertise to the list, though you all found it regardless :) 
> I'm not feeling desperate to sell it, but I guess if it hangs around 
> without further interest locally I'll consider managing shipping to sell it.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Justin Schoop  > wrote:
>
>> I was busy this weekend and did not meet with Jeff to look at his Rom. 
>> It's a little too small for me, but Jeff seems like a great guy.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

So, I noticed the ad is still on Craigslist. Presumably still available?

Justin -- did you take a look?

-- Liz
Washington, DC



On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 3:50:07 PM UTC-4, Justin Schoop wrote:
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> I've talked to the owner and plan on checking it out this coming weekend.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Fantastic, Justin. Let us know how it goes!

-- Liz
W.D.C.


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> I've talked to the owner and plan on checking it out this coming weekend.

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[RBW] PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Not mine, etc., etc., but might be of interest to the list..

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/bik/5488178770.html

Liz S.
Washington, DC

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[RBW] Re: Joe on the BLUG

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

A little late to the conversation, and this is (I swear) academic for me as 
well, but was someone able to find a geometry chart for the Joe? I clicked 
through the link that _said_ there was geometry, and I read through it 
carefully several times, and yet still I couldn't find it or another link 
to it. I'm probably losing my mind, but can someone direct me to the 
geometry?

Many thanks,

-- Liz


On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 7:46:23 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> There's a thorough description of the Joe on the latest BLUG.  I 
> especially like the photo of the fist between the seat tube & the fender.  
> It also talks about where this bike fits into the line-up, between Sam & 
> Hunq, and differences with Atlantis.  Good stuff all around.  At $2,400 
> it's the deal of the yearand next year too.  
>
> dougP
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Dove Bar

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I love that bar. If a used one doesn't show up, I'm pretty sure this is the 
same bar:

http://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/nitto-swept-back-alloy-bar-25-4mm-485mm-width?page_context=search&faceted_search=0

I've also had good luck with Linus Bikes's Gaston handlebar:

http://www.linusbike.com/products/linus-gaston-dover-handlebar?variant=121556942

Cheers,

-- Liz S.


On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I want to upgrade my sons bike and the Dove bar is the perfect size but it 
> doesn't look like they make them anymore.  Anyone have a set?
>

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[RBW] Re: Local Rivendell Dealer suggestions for DELMARVA area?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Really -- a flashmob isn't necessary! BIcycleSpace folks are more than 
familiar with Rivendells (and all things BoBish).  Ed mentioning the topic 
to Erik will be enough to put the possibility on his radar.

(Feel free to join the shop on any of their weekend group rides on your 
Riv, if you're so inclined.)

Congratulations, Keith, on the upcoming new addition! (And, looking forward 
to seeing what the Hunq looks like in person sometime in the future.) Will 
be interesting to see how Riv responds to your query.

Cheers,

-- Liz S.



On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 3:14:53 PM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Keith -
> Congrats on the new one.  If this is your first, then brace yourself and 
> get plenty of sleep while you can.
> I've had no problems with my Hunqapillar since you fixed the seat post a 
> couple of weeks back - it continues to be a work of art.  It was great 
> meeting you and I remain grateful for the time you took to set it up.
> I've never been to BicycleSpace but, if folks want to do a Riv flashmob 
> there and show off our bikes, let me know.
> Kevin
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-4, Keith Muller wrote:
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> We are indeed right off the C&O Canal.  The Bicycle Pro Shop is on 34th & 
>> M St NW in Georgetown.  Stop in sometime when you get a chance.  I'll be 
>> out for the next couple weeks cause my wife and I are expecting a little 
>> one here in the next couple days.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Local Rivendell Dealer suggestions for DELMARVA area?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

While I love the idea (and I'm speaking as a Riv customer, not as a (very 
part-time) employee of a DC bike shop), I'm just trying to figure out what 
the incentive would be for either the bike shop or the customer.

On the customer side, they already apparently get great service from Riv. 
The upside would be they would (theoretically) get to try out a bike 
beforehand.

For the shop -- even if the customer did order through the shop instead of 
directly through Riv -- it doesn't seem that there would be enough of an 
upside to cover all the costs involved. And I'm thinking mostly in terms of 
the time involved in talking through the various models and set-up options. 
Given experience with Bromptons, customers either come in (i) knowing 
exactly what they want -- maybe the whole process takes 30 minutes, or (ii) 
wanting to go through every single option -- multiple times! There have 
been customers that have spent what feels like 2 days with a staffmember 
before pulling the trigger! or not!)

The MUCH larger question to me is where would one of the DC-area shops 
possibly find the space to even highlight a couple models? At most you'd be 
able to have one or two built-up bikes. Not enough to really provide any 
kind of benefit to people who want to try one out, unfortunately. Maybe you 
could have a mid-size Clem and a mid-size Clementine on the floor, at best. 
(Clem and Clementine because (i) they're at least close to a price-point 
that people who think they're willing to spend "a lot" (their words, not 
mine) of money on a comfortable, city-oriented bike would be comfortable 
with and (ii) they would be available pre-configured, so to speak, and 
therefore appeal to precisely that market.)

(Really -- space is the biggest cost in a booming downtown where landlords 
are able to charge truly outrageous, eye-popping rents.)

Given space constraints, perhaps the best option to sell any of the _other_ 
Riv models would be to include Riv model geometry in the fit systems that 
shops have or are starting to have. (BicycleSpace will be getting the Guru 
fit system (?) at its upcoming shop in Adams Morgan (DC).)  With that, a 
customer interested in a Riv would be able to come in with an idea of the 
model and set-up and "test" it using that.  That might make them more 
willing to pull the trigger directly with Riv or order through the shop. 
The shop could charge an up-front fee that reflects the cost of that 
service, but if the person purchases the bike through the shop, it's 
deducted from the price of the bike. (That of course assumes that Riv would 
have some sort of dealer program.) Otherwise, hey, at least the cost of the 
fitting is less than flying out to the Bay Area!

(Caveat: I have no idea if the fit systems actually work or if they're just 
a nice gimmick.)

-- Liz S.
Washington, DC 

p.s. Alan -- I don't think BicycleSpace's new shop(s) have opened yet! As 
of a week ago they were still in the temporary space in the old Burger King 
on 5th and G NW... It's not exactly a showroom!



On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:12:30 AM UTC-4, Alan Pickett wrote:
>
> What to DC-centric folks think about helping develop a local dealer for 
> Riv Bikes, as requested a bug-post or two ago?
>
> I love the gang at Proteus Bikes in College Park, and I know that College 
> Park Bicycles has an affinity with Grant/Riv, but somehow I wonder if a 
> place like Bicycle Space - which just recently opened a new shop right 
> smack in downtown DC, might have real potential, by tapping into a well 
> moneyed, bike-commutin' crowd with consumer tastes just precious enough to 
> make the gorgeous lugs and paint on Riv Bikes a beacon of irresistible 
> attraction. Does anyone know the Bicycle Space people? Could we talk to 
> them?
>
> Either that, or a few of us could quit our day jobs and attempt to open a 
> bike store... I would assume that we would all become filthy stinking rich 
> in short order, right?
>
> Alan in Silver Spring
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, wow!  Very glad it wasn't worse...


On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I had a fork crown bolt shear or loosen enough to allow my berthoud front 
> rack (with loaded Wald basket) fall forward and lock the front wheel... I 
> stopped instantly and went over the handlebars.  It collapsed the fork and 
> I ended up breaking a small elbow bone which healed quickly. 
>
> I got the frame checked out and aligned by Chris Bishop in Baltimore, then 
> got a new fork ordered from Riv (before they started selling all the forks 
> cheaply) and now I'm just waiting to get it back from the powder coaters so 
> I can reassemble.   
>
> I was pretty lucky, no other bikes or pedestrians were involved and I was 
> on a bike path not a busy street.  Keep an eye on your rack hardware! :) 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Tony,

I don't remember your writing about your crash last year! Sounds bad... Or, 
at least, it sounds like the effect on the Saluki was bad. What happened 
(to you and to the Saluki)?

-- Liz



On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/re-building-saluki-components-highlights.html
>
> Component glamour shots as I anxiously await my frame.  After almost 9 
> month's I should be less than 2 weeks away from getting the Saluki back out 
> on the trails here is the first of what should be several rapid fire 
> posts on the build.  Everything is ready and waiting so I expect to have 
> her rolling w/in 24hrs of receipt from the powdercoater.  
>
> Today's ride to Port City Brewery in Alexandria on the Bombadil was the 
> perfect thing to keep my mind occupied though.  Great weather all around 
> here in DC lately and I'm looking forward to getting in several solid 
> commuting days this week.  More soon!
>
> Tony
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem info for the Tall and Long

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Lucky you!

I tried to get geometry information on the smallest Clem and Clementine and 
the person I spoke to effectively refused to give it to me.

-- Liz



On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:12:25 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   I had some questions about the Clem for Keven about the 59cm. Clem that 
> he graciously answered for me and thought I'd pass them along . 
>
> 1. The head/front end(top of the head tube) on the Clem is "virtually 
> identical" in  height as my 60cm. Bombadil .  
> 2. The top tube is "61cm-ish" .  That's 2cm. shorter than the Bomba , :(  
> . (Too short for me,, boo-hoo , lol )
> 3. The head and seat angles he as not positive on, likely the same as the 
> Bomba , which is a 72 ST and 71 HT. 
> 4. In regards to number one, to get the highest bars, the steering tube is 
> always left as long as possible ! 
> 5. The BB and headset are likely Tange's . 
> 6. If you want a different front cable hanger, you can buy one separately 
> for it .  I assume he meant the would install it in place of the stock one. 
>
>
>   And he welcomes questions, which is awesome !  !  
>
> Oh yes ...  he also added this : "* Grant is making noise about creating 
>> a 64cm Clementine which would have a bigger headtube (higher handlebars) 
>> than your Bombadil and the 59cm Clem's, so that might be worth waiting for/ 
>> signing up for.  Not sure if it will be included with the first shipment*
>> ."
>
>
> So there just *may *be a 64cm Clementine !  Which I'd love as a top tube 
> on a Clem would be close to my max clearance wise .  I always wanted a 
> Betty or something like it in the past but it was always just not quite 
> tall/long enough for me , so this solves all that :)  Yeah ! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Thanks, Leisl!  That's exactly what I was afraid of. Oh, well -- it's not 
like I need another pannier! :-)

-- Liz

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 7:30:56 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi Elisabeth, the Backabike bags aren't the fastest on/off but not the 
> slowest either. I'm sure a handy person could do a hack and make it super 
> easy/fast. Specifically, to take them on and off the rear rack, you have to 
> rethread the Irish strap through the grommets and then around the rack and 
> back through the grommets. That's tricky to do when loaded. Again, ripe for 
> a hack. 
>
> This is NOT the same for the HAR bags because there are little posts at 
> the top that the Irish straps loop over. This means you don't have to 
> thread the strap through the grommets. shoji's comment is on point for the 
> HARs but not the Backabikes. 
>
> Hope this is helpful!

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Backabike Bags

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Can someone report on how easy they are to take on and off?  I'm less 
concerned about how much they shift around while on the rack, but I tend to 
take any pannier I may be using on and off several times a day, sometimes 
loaded, sometimes unloaded.

Thanks!

-- Liz S.



On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 1:55:54 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn, I have Backabike bags mounted to a Longboy rack, and HARs mated 
> to the Frontabike bags—all attached with Irish straps.  I have used this 
> set-up quite a bit for grocery shopping.  I attached a photo of the 
> set-up.  I really really like them.  I don't find that they slide around or 
> flop as I ride to the coop and they're empy; I also find that they feel 
> secure as I ride home and each bag probably has 10-15 pounds in them.  Erin 
> was so envious that she now has a pair for her Cheviot.
>
> I've also found that the fabric is good in the rain, but I haven't spent 
> more than an hour in the rain.
>
> Backabike Bags + HAR Bags + waldbasket/Shopsack = haul whatever you need to
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Leah,

I've heard good reports about Torker, but where one finds these I have no 
idea!

http://torkerbikeco.com/bike/kids/

The bars look more on the straight side, but would be easy enough to 
replace them with some narrow North-Road type bars if that's would work 
better.

Good luck!

-- Liz S.


On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Hi, All,
>
> My 6 year old has almost outgrown his little Specialized Hotrock with 16 
> inch wheels. He will fit the 20 inch soon, if not now. I would like a new 
> bike for him by July, as we have some biking adventures planned and WOW 
> would it be nice for him to have bigger wheels and gears!
>
> Anyway, Specialized and Trek have their normal offerings, but I guess I am 
> looking for a Riv-esque bike. A bike with upright bars instead of those 
> slammed straight variety. Sadly, that is the bar-type on the 16 inch bike, 
> and it's perfect, but the bike companies do away with them on the bigger 
> bikes. And is is maybe too much to ask for something that would eventually 
> take a back rack (cringe)?
>
> Is there some off-brand that would accommodate these wishes?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Vittoria Voager Hyper Tires on Long Low.

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Would someone be able to comment on the difference between the Voyageur 
Hypers and the Randonneur Hypers?  I note that Nashbar has the Randonneur 
Hypers (the RFX City tires?) for what would seem to be a ridiculously low 
price ($14.99) at the moment. 700x38 only.

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_578278_-1___

-- Liz S.
Washington, DC

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 1:35:54 PM UTC-5, truegolden wrote:
>
>  
> On two of my bikes I have the Vittoria Voyager Hypers in the 700c x 38 
> which run true to size on the wheels I have them mounted on
> and I have been very pleased.
>  
> I have had several flats from goathead stickers and a small nail but most 
> tires would flat from those.
> I think they are one of the better values in tires in this size.
> If they had a 26" size I would be interested.
>  
> Safe pedaling,
>  
> Paul in Dallas
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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

To me the ugly part of the fork is that it's straight blade. There are 
apparently San Joses with curved forks, but most of them seem to have been 
straight. Unicrown isn't a deal-breaker for me, since everything else is 
great! (And, apparently a straight-blade fork wasn't a deal-breaker, 
either, although I'd love to replace it with a curved one at some point!)

My San Jose is in dark blue, in case anyone has the matching curved fork... 
:-)

-- Liz


On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:06:29 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Only downside to the San Jose is that it has a unicrown fork. That means 
> it's cheap, but it also means it's ugly. 
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood  > wrote:
>
>> I second the Bianchi San Jose. It has everything you're looking for, at 
>> well under your budget.
>>
>> Since Bianchi (sadly and inexplicably) doesn't seem to be making them 
>> anymore, you'll have to buy used. But I think even last year Bianchi was 
>> selling just the frame, so maybe a dealer can hook you up with one.
>>
>> -- Liz
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 7:33:00 PM UTC-5, N. Llama wrote:
>>>
>>> I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
>>> Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
>>> tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
>>> my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
>>> be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
>>> ride a 54. 
>>>
>>> The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
>>> suggestions?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I second the Bianchi San Jose. It has everything you're looking for, at 
well under your budget.

Since Bianchi (sadly and inexplicably) doesn't seem to be making them 
anymore, you'll have to buy used. But I think even last year Bianchi was 
selling just the frame, so maybe a dealer can hook you up with one.

-- Liz


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>
> I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
> Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
> tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
> my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
> be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
> ride a 54. 
>
> The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
> suggestions?
>

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[RBW] Craigslist alert: 56cm Sam Hillborne for sale near Washington, DC

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi all,

Just FYI.  I think someone posted this the first time it was posted on the 
DC Craigslist. It is such a phenomenally good deal that I was kind of 
surprised to see it again...

Not mine, no relation to seller, etc...

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/bik/4825700252.html

Liz Sherwood
Washington, DC

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[RBW] Re: Riv Quickbeam and a BikeDC Portrait

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Really nice pictures, Mary.

-- Liz S.


On Thursday, March 6, 2014 4:40:58 PM UTC-5, MG wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I rarely post to this list, but was so excited that my bike (an orange 
> Quickbeam that I use as my commuter) and I were featured in a couple of 
> portrait photos by Dmitry Gudkov (who is the photographer behind the 
> #BikeNYC portrait series) that I wanted to share it with the list. Thanks!
>
> http://gudphoto.com/bikenyc/2014/03/06/bikedc-mary-gersemalina/ 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bicycle brand from Merry Sales = New Albion

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Isn't anyone else reacting with a "boy, that looks really, really cheap"? 
 Other than the headbadge and a level top-tube, I'm not seeing anything 
compelling. I find it weird that the same people that own Soma would put 
together something like this.

(Unrelated to this particular bicycle, I tend to point friends who ask 
"what kind of bicycle should I get?" to a nice, versatile hybrid like the 
Jamis Coda or Trek 7.3FX -- something that they'll be able to ride -- and 
enjoy riding -- anywhere and everywhere. Well, if I think that's the right 
bike for them, of course.)

-- Liz S.
Washington, DC

On Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:29:17 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Homebrew might just be the go-to bike for when friends ask you "What 
> kind of a bike should I get? I don't want to spend a lot of money..."
> It's still probably going to be more than they want to spend (usually less 
> than $300), but a real nice alternative to low-end 'eks and 'izeds. 
> http://newalbioncycles.com/homebrew-road-bike/
>
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Hugh Smitham 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that Justin...fun to read the process. If I wasn't already 
>> maxed on bike projects I'd build one of these bikes up just for the head 
>> badge.
>>
>>  ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:58 AM, >wrote:
>>
>>>  Head badge article: 
>>> http://karledwards.com/blog/process-of-process-the-new-albion-cycles-badge/
>>>
>>> They look nice. I'm surprised they aren't just marketed as SOMA though.
>>>
>>> -J
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Project - Trail Bike

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

If you don't mind the lack of lugs, a mid-90s Trek 850 is a great bike. I'm 
sure there are other chromoly frames from that era that would work equally 
well. As others have said, watch for the long top tube, though. You'll most 
certainly need to replace the stem with something shorter in any case.

-- Liz


On Sunday, February 2, 2014 8:34:32 PM UTC-5, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> Starting project to build up a new fire trail / off-road bike . I am 
> trying to decide between a new frame and maybe something vintage . I am a 
> shortish woman and I ride a 48 cm to 50 cm frame. Would love to buy a 
> bombadil or Atlantis but what do folks recommend in the the used/vintage 
> category. What would your bike build look like?  

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 6 cm or 7 cm Nitto or GB stem

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Michael,

You may want to consider the Nitto Dynamic (I'm assuming that's their 
"normal" road stem). It comes in a 6cm extension. It has a short quill -- 
145mm -- which may be what you're looking for.  From the minimum insertion 
point, you've got 78mm to the top of the stem.

(I've found that, on smaller bikes (i.e., with relatively short head 
tubes), the Technomic just puts the bars too high even if it's inserted as 
far as possible. [And, is it my imagination, or did Technomic quills get 
even _longer_ over the last ten years?])

-- Liz



On Monday, February 3, 2014 1:29:35 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Need 6 cm extension with 190 mm rise or less and 26.0 clamp
>
> Will trade:
> 44 Noodle (like new, less than 300 miles)
> Moustache bar (oldish)
> 7 cm Technomic (newish)
>
> Pick any one for a Nitto Tech Deluxe trade.
> Any two for a Nitto Pearl.
> Or, all three for a Grand Bois (I'll settle for their smaller clamp size 
> for a GB).
>
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[RBW] Re: Update: the woman who is 5'2"

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, and if you see her, check where the saddle is!  I'm sure that if you 
can push it back as far as it can go the bike will be more comfortable for 
her.

Cheers,

-- Liz


On Saturday, February 1, 2014 11:14:53 AM UTC-5, Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>
> Since the price isn't listed on the Trek website, I suspect it must have 
> cost a fortune. Wow.
>
> Although it's not my taste, I hope she loves it and rides the hell out of 
> it!
>
> -- Liz S.
>
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:01:13 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. 
>>
>> Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and 
>> gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 
>> tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be 
>> riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm 
>> tires too. 
>>
>> -- 
>> -- Anne Paulson 
>>
>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Update: the woman who is 5'2"

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Since the price isn't listed on the Trek website, I suspect it must have 
cost a fortune. Wow.

Although it's not my taste, I hope she loves it and rides the hell out of 
it!

-- Liz S.


On Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:01:13 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> She bought a carbon Trek Domane, because of course she did. 
>
> Interestingly, the Domane is billed as a bike for rough rides and 
> gravel. And it is spec'ed with, I am not making this up, 700 x 25 
> tires. Because when you're riding off road, you absolutely want to be 
> riding 25mm tires. I believe the bike allows enormously huge 28mm 
> tires too. 
>
> -- 
> -- Anne Paulson 
>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2" woman

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Anne,

I'm 5'2 (and 1/2 or so). Somewhat shorter legs; longer torso than is 
standard for women, I suspect.  I've found that road bikes with effective 
top tubes between 50.5cm and 52cm can all work.  Anything longer than that, 
and no...

I had a 48cm Sam. Unquestionably too big. It had a 54cm effective top tube. 
Really unworkable as a road bike (and, frankly, too big as an upright 
hybrid as well.)

I would also say that the San Marcos would probably be too big. From Riv's 
geometry chart, it says that the effective top tube is 53.5cm, which too me 
is just way too close to 54cm.  (The geometry chart also says, though, that 
the seat-tube angle is 71.5. I have a hard time imagining it could possibly 
be that relaxed -- I've never seen anything like that possible in small 
frames, but who knows...)

I have a Jamis Quest Femme in a 48 that fits very, very well. I like it 
very much as a road bike!  It's a steel frame with carbon fork. When I 
decided to get a real road bike, I was looking at the Bianchi Vigorelli as 
well, which comes in a stated 46cm frame, which I think has a 50.5 
effective top tube.  (I have a Bianchi San Jose in their smallest size, 
which has the same frame -- it fits PERFECTLY.)  (I went with the Jamis 
because I worked at a shop that sold Jamises and really couldn't justify 
turning down the staff pricing...)

Anyway, both Jamis and Bianchi have various levels of steel (and non-steel) 
road bikes in 47-48cm frames.  Given her height, I wouldn't even consider a 
50cm frame!

I believe Felt also has frames in very small sizes (with 650c wheels). 
 Aluminium and carbon frames only (no steel), though, I believe.

Good luck,

-- Liz S.
Washington, DC




On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:21:41 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos.  She's about 5'4", and 
> the 51cm fits her pretty well.  It has a 51cm top tube.  It's available in 
> a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly.  The San 
> Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo.
>
> Plus, the color is magnificent.
>
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road
>> bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested
>> some issues she ought to think about.
>>
>> Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek
>> carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the
>> bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the
>> salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike.
>>
>> I want to gently suggest that she look in another direction (not a
>> racing bike with a stupidly high low gear and stupidly low handlebars!
>> I did not say that to her). I would've suggested a Sam, but it seems
>> like even the 47 cm would be too long for her: the two bikes she is
>> looking at have effective top tube lengths of 50.9 and 51.9 (something
>> like that) and the Sam is quite a bit longer at 54.5 cm.
>>
>> Any suggestions for a fun road bike for a small woman? I think a Sam
>> would be in her price range.
>>
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>> -- Anne Paulson
>>
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[RBW] Re: Suggest a small bike for a 5'2" woman

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Re. the Soma San Marcos, I think the geometry figures with respect to the 
seat-tube angle are incorrect -- there's just no way that every size frame 
has a seat-tube angle of 71.5!  And I've NEVER seen a small road bike where 
that's even possible.

-- Liz

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:51:58 PM UTC-5, art wrote:
>
> Thanks Anne, et al, for starting this thread. My 'life partner' (about 
> 5'2") has had a 51cm/26" wheel Rambouillet for a decade, which she loves. I 
> finally got it set up right for her (a few years back) with short reach 
> drops and a *5* cm stem -- no way to make the top tube shorter! I've been 
> looking for a rain bike frame for her for awhileand was mostly looking 
> for older Schwinns and Treks with nice tubing. But I hadn't considered the 
> Soma San Marcos: very interesting, particularly the very slack seat angle! 
> (I'm using a high-setback seatpost on my partner's bike, rather than the 
> nice Nitto it came with) 
>
> Does anyone know if one can fit 38mm tires (would like to use the Soma 
> B-lines) on that bike *with* fenders? That's the design goal of the bike I 
> want to build for her...
>
> By the way: true that the Pacers come small, but look at that seat angle! 
> (75.5) That's going to make the top tube *very* long, once you get the bike 
> set up comfortably! (notice that the reach is almost the same on the 42cm 
> frame as on the 54cm.. only .4 inches=1cm difference)
>
> If these frames can take 38s plus fenders, I'm going to start selling old 
> frames to finance one...
>
> Art
> Tacoma
>

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Re: [RBW] Suggest a small bike for a 5'2" woman

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

People of "normal" height seem not to have to worry about seat-tube angles! 
 For those of us who are height-challenged, it makes a lot of difference.

As Rivendell has noted since the beginning, it's very hard to make a small 
bike with 700c wheels and a comfortable seat-tube angle.  Most road bikes 
in the smallest sizes have very steep seat-tube angles -- 74 or 75 degrees. 
 It puts one much more forward relative to the position of the bottom 
bracket, which in turn puts more of your weight going forward, and on your 
hands/wrists/palms. It's not very comfortable (at least not for me).

What Shoji is saying is that riders of small bikes move their saddles 
backwards as far as possible -- in order to compensate for the steep angle 
of the seat-tube.  This lengthens the distance between the saddle and the 
bars. So, an effective top-tube length of 51cm would become something more 
like 53 or 54cm.

But, that's in theory! In practice, you have to find a seatpost that will 
allow you to move your saddle back that far. 

The 47cm Saluki has a nice seattube angle -- 73, I believe?  You can sit up 
and ride no-handed without a problem.

My other small road bikes have 74 and 75 degree angles. I've got the 
saddles slammed all the way back as far as they'll go.  I rode for days 
with a crazy squeak that I couldn't figure out. I finally realized it was 
the saddle -- it was way past the danger point on the rails. I've moved it 
back up to within safe limits.

Anyway, angles make a huge difference!

Cheers,

-- Liz

p.s. Don't freak out at the idea of a small road bike with 700c wheels. 
They can work.  The diameter of my 650b wheels (with 32mm tires) are pretty 
much exactly the same as 25mm tires on 700c wheels.  Some of the "skinnier" 
650b tires make a difference, though.


On Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:24:21 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Hang on a sec. The seat tube angle is the angle from seat tube to ground, 
> right? So a bigger angle should move the saddle forward and make reach 
> shorter, right? Seems like it would unweight the rear wheel, though.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Shoji Takahashi 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Anne,
>> The 51cm Soma San Marcos has a 55-cm effective top tube. With seat tube 
>> angle of 71.5 degrees. (The 47cm San Marcos has 53.5-cm effective top tube 
>> with seat tube angle of 71.5 degrees.)
>>
>> The 47cm Trek Domane has a 50.9-cm effective top tube. However, the seat 
>> tube angle is 74.6 degrees! 
>>
>> Assuming the rider would ride with the same saddle-to-bottom-bracket 
>> position, the steeper seat tube angle would have a longer reach. In other 
>> words, the 50.9-cm effective top tube of the 47cm Trek may actually feel to 
>> a rider like a much longer reach than on a slacker seat-tube angle bike. 
>>
>> Confused? Just [Test] Ride!
>>
>> Maybe there's a small Rambouillet in the Riv Attic? I think the smaller 
>> sizes had 26" wheels.
>>
>> --shoji
>>
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:37:59 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused. The Riv chart says the Soma San Marcos has a 55 cm top 
>>> tube for a 51 cm frame. Is that the actual top tube length c-c and 
>>> effective top tube is shorter? I'm trying to compare this bike:
>>>
>>> http://www.trekbikes.com/int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/
>>> domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd#/int/en/model/fit_sizing?
>>> url=int/en/bikes/road/endurance_race/domane_4_series/domane_4_3_wsd
>>>
>>> (Trek Madone WSD 4.3, in a 47 cm), to Rivendell frames: 
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=
>>> 0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0
>>>
>>> And it looks to me like the Rivendell frames are a lot longer. Given 
>>> that this woman thinks she wants a shorter frame, would Riv work for her? I 
>>> need hardly add that in my opinion the bikes she is looking at are 
>>> ridiculously ill-suited to her, and moreover she has no business riding a 
>>> bike with 700c wheels, but she reasonably wants a bike that fits her.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Tim Gavin >> com> wrote:
>>>
 I recently bought my girlfriend a Soma San Marcos.  She's about 5'4", 
 and the 51cm fits her pretty well.  It has a 51cm top tube.  It's 
 available 
 in a 47 as well, which would probably fit your friend perfectly.  The San 
 Marcos is the lightest current Riv, except for the Roadeo.

 Plus, the color is magnificent.


 Tim


 On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> A new member of my bike club posted that she wants to buy a new road
> bike. She doesn't have much experience on the road. So I suggested
> some issues she ought to think about.
>
> Now she returns saying that she is trying to decide between two Trek
> carbon bikes, one of them a 47 cm and the other a 50 cm. She likes the
> bigger bike because the handlebars are higher and wider, but the
> salesperson says the reach is too long on the bigger bike

[RBW] 57cm AHH for sale in the greater DC (Northern Virginia) area

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Not mine, no affiliation, etc., but noticed this on Craigslist this morning:

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/4308229953.html

Looks really nice!

-- Liz S.
Washington, DC

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[RBW] Re: Arlington Loop Ride - Sat, 28 Dec

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Yes -- Thanks, Tony, for organizing! Very nice to meet a few of the (local) 
people on the list and their bicycles.  And, not as cold as it could have 
been for December 28!

-- Liz S.

On Saturday, December 28, 2013 2:25:05 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Thanks, Tony, for inviting us!
>>
> What a great time meeting everyone and seeing your great bikes!
> I never knew DC had such great places to ride.
>

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[RBW] Re: Arlington Loop Ride - Sat, 28 Dec

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Possibly a bit early for me for December, but I'll try to make it! (Can't 
remember what prevented my joining the last ride, but in the meantime I've 
put together my Saluki.) Looking forward to it!

-- Liz S.

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 9:38:25 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Anyone interested in a casual ride this coming Saturday morning?  Similar 
> to our ride from the summer...
>
> For a reminder;
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2013/09/riv-ride-arlington-loop.html
>
> Meeting at the Navy and Merchant Mariner Memorial worked last time but if 
> be game to meet anywhere on the loop.  So here is the proposal;
>
> Sat, 28 Dec
> 0800 meet up
> 3ish hour ramble around Arlington maybe with an excursion into the city
>
> In very open to suggestion if there is a desire for a different route!
>
> Merry Christmas!!
>
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fall = fenders

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, boy! Thanks, Dan -- exactly what I needed.

Did you have any problem removing the rivet?  I tried to figure out how to 
remove that thing for, well, way too long when I first installed the fender 
(and finally gave up, figuring I was likely to cause more damage to the 
fender than could be repaired), and couldn't figure it out. I see Riv tells 
you how to do it, but I'm a little skeptical!

-- Liz


On Friday, November 8, 2013 12:17:25 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:
>
> When I was building my wife's Betty Foy I had the same problem. 
> Fortunately these items exist:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/fe92.htm
>
> It was a very tidy solution. And they work well.
>
> Dan
>
> -Marin
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
> thomas.a...@skadden.com > wrote:
>
>>  Why not take off the fender flap?
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Elisabeth 
>> Sherwood
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:36 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Fall = fenders
>>
>>  
>>  
>> I had Sheldon's fender nuts to install Longboards on my 650B wheels (and 
>> was able to get the right size bolts from the hardware store [how in the 
>> world is it possible that they don't COME with bolts???]), but after 
>> mounting I realized it wasn't going to work -- for the front, it moved the 
>> fender an inch closer to the ground. Even attaching the fender to the front 
>> of the fork crown and having 38mm tires, I still worry about the bottom of 
>> the fender flap hitting something on the ground!
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> -- Liz S.
>>  
>> Washington, DC
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 3:13:37 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>  
>> Bill-
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> I have some sheldon's fender nuts, but I didn't use them because I didn't 
>> have any bolts that fit them (fenders had one size smaller in hardware).  I 
>> understand that they make de-fendering easier (no need to remove brake 
>> caliper, etc), but I don't see how they'll improve fender line.  They move 
>> the front fender rearward an inch or two; how does that help?  I appreciate 
>> any advice; this was my second ever fender install.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Nice thing about using a pickup bed as my main bike transport: no need to 
>> remove any wheels, fenders, etc.  Just lay it on the side and close the 
>> topper.  So I'll probably leave these fenders on for a while.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Tim
>>  
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>  
>> Many will tell you that a bike that looks that good with fenders should 
>> never be run without fenders.  That's a stunner.  As you think about your 
>> fenderline tweaks, consider running a pair of Sheldon nuts.  For bikes of 
>> that type, I think it might be the smartest route
>>
>> That said, I still do it (occasional fenderizing and defenderizing):  The 
>> trails out my backdoor (Wildcat Canyon) can get muddy, and so for winter 
>> mudding the fenders have to be able to come off.  That applies to two 
>> bikes.  My roadiest bike sometimes has the fenders off when I'm feeling a 
>> weight-weenie attack, or when I want to run THE FATTEST possible tire.  
>> Finally, I had the chance to throw my Hilsen into my sister's trunk for 
>> free transport to Southern California, so the fenders had to come off.  Now 
>> I'll get to ride all Christmas break.  Furthermore, I might leave the 
>> Hilsen down there all the way through Strada Rossa! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fall = fenders

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I had Sheldon's fender nuts to install Longboards on my 650B wheels (and 
was able to get the right size bolts from the hardware store [how in the 
world is it possible that they don't COME with bolts???]), but after 
mounting I realized it wasn't going to work -- for the front, it moved the 
fender an inch closer to the ground. Even attaching the fender to the front 
of the fork crown and having 38mm tires, I still worry about the bottom of 
the fender flap hitting something on the ground!

-- Liz S.
Washington, DC


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 3:13:37 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Bill-
>
> I have some sheldon's fender nuts, but I didn't use them because I didn't 
> have any bolts that fit them (fenders had one size smaller in hardware).  I 
> understand that they make de-fendering easier (no need to remove brake 
> caliper, etc), but I don't see how they'll improve fender line.  They move 
> the front fender rearward an inch or two; how does that help?  I appreciate 
> any advice; this was my second ever fender install.
>
> Nice thing about using a pickup bed as my main bike transport: no need to 
> remove any wheels, fenders, etc.  Just lay it on the side and close the 
> topper.  So I'll probably leave these fenders on for a while.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> > wrote:
>
>> Many will tell you that a bike that looks that good with fenders should 
>> never be run without fenders.  That's a stunner.  As you think about your 
>> fenderline tweaks, consider running a pair of Sheldon nuts.  For bikes of 
>> that type, I think it might be the smartest route
>>
>> That said, I still do it (occasional fenderizing and defenderizing):  The 
>> trails out my backdoor (Wildcat Canyon) can get muddy, and so for winter 
>> mudding the fenders have to be able to come off.  That applies to two 
>> bikes.  My roadiest bike sometimes has the fenders off when I'm feeling a 
>> weight-weenie attack, or when I want to run THE FATTEST possible tire.  
>> Finally, I had the chance to throw my Hilsen into my sister's trunk for 
>> free transport to Southern California, so the fenders had to come off.  Now 
>> I'll get to ride all Christmas break.  Furthermore, I might leave the 
>> Hilsen down there all the way through Strada Rossa! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Vertical challenge Soma SM

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Brian --

I'm somewhere around 5'2" or 5'3" and consider myself to have relatively 
short legs and a relatively longer torso, but my PBH is probably about 
72cm. I agree with others that your friend's PBH should be re-checked.

Because of my height and PBH, I haven't found standover to be a very useful 
measurement. The smallest available commercial frames (48cm) tend to work 
in terms of standover, but are just hitting the limit of top-tube length. I 
would recommend paying more attention to effective top-tube length than 
anything else.  In terms of road bikes, I have a 48cm modern steel frame 
with a 50.5cm effective top tube that just fits me (just feeling the 
tiniest smidge too stretched out, but manageable). My new Saluki (47cm) 
apparently has an effective top tube of 52.0cm, but that seems to fit very 
well, thus proving that seat-tube and head-tube angles really do matter...

(These are both set up as road bikes, of course...)

Hope those data points help.

-- Liz S.


On Monday, September 9, 2013 10:48:01 PM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:
>
> I need some advice for those of you on the short side (sub 70cm PBH). I am 
> building a bike for a friend who is 5'2" and has a 67cm PBH.  She wants a 
> bike for knee surgery recovery, exercise, and potentially a triathlon every 
> few years. I am steering towards a San Marcos 47cm, but don't see stand 
> over measurements. Anyone have one of these and a tape measure? 
>
> Brian Hanson 
> Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: 14 Sep - DC Area Atlantis Ride

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Would love to join! Only possible (probable?) constraint is a houseguest 
Friday night/Saturday morning... Will see if he's up for something social 
with strangers.

With luck, the rest of the parts for my Saluki will have arrived and the 
bike will be ready for its inaugural ride. Without luck, I'll be on 
something else... 

-- Liz S.
Washington, DC

On Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:45:05 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> We talked about it a couple weeks ago, hopefully it still works for a 
> casual meet up and ride!  Here is what I'm thinking but I'm open to 
> suggestions,
>
> Date: Saturday, 14 Sep
> Time: 0900 meet up
> Place: Navy-Merchant Marine Memorial (
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_%E2%80%93_Merchant_Marine_Memorial)
> Route:  'Arlington Loop, clockwise' (Google map to come tonight, but 
> basically it's the MV-4 mile run-W&OD-Custis-MV)
> Long range weather: 72 deg, partly cloudy
>
> Maybe we grab lunch and some college football afterwards!  Oh and it's not 
> an Atlantis exclusive event... That was just the start of the discussion as 
> I was looking for a smaller Atlantis to try out.
>
> Let me know if you want suggestions for car parking or directions to the 
> memorial. Hope to see you Saturday!
>
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet 50cm

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Chris --

I think it's absolutely crazy that your bike hasn't sold yet. I would get 
it in a heartbeat, but am actually just building up a 47cm Saluki frame for 
myself; I'm around 5'3", and besides not needing another bike (will shortly 
be getting rid of the 48cm Hillborne frame that was always ridiculously 
large for me and pretty much never got ridden), know that 50cm would be too 
large.

Just out of curiosity, though, what's the top-tube length? I may know 
someone that it could fit and may be interested...

Best,

Liz


On Thursday, September 5, 2013 12:44:20 AM UTC-4, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> Hello, 
>
> Ok one last bump and price reduction and then it is time for plan b. $1500 
> shipped CONUS or $1350 picked up in Bismarck ND. For this price you could 
> ride it for a few years and sell it and get all of your money back! 
>
> Please email with any questions. 
>
> Thanks! 
> Chris
>
>

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