Re: [RBW] Re: Terrible News
Friends, Some more info about the goings-on here and online. First, the service for Seth is this Saturday at 11a ET at Clements Funeral Home 1105 Broad St., Durham, NC. You can leave remembrances for Seth on Clements site: http://www.clementsfuneralservice.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=1032792 Seth's partner, Eunice, told me the remembrances are helping, so I encourage all of you to share the kind words you've posted here with his family through Clements' site. In addition to their being able to see them now during this difficult time, they will also be able to view them later when they have left Durham for home. Also, I told Eunice that many of you wanted to be in touch, and she gave the thumbs up for sharing their physical address. Honestly, you could get it on your own via the Google machine, but please know that she's comfortable hearing from any of you who are interested in sending a postcard or other sort of note. Ms. Eunice Chang 2309 Woodrow St Durham , NC 27705 A local shop that Seth frequented has a monthly ride that he and Eunice often joined, and as the ride is the second Sunday of the month, it happens to hit this weekend and is in Seth's honor. Looks to be much bigger than normal this month. Come if you can. https://www.facebook.com/events/295397680605055/ And, the Fedora Project website has a nice Seth tribute up on their homepage: http://fedoraproject.org/ Thanks again for all the kind words about Seth, and the great vibes sent my direction as well. It's been a difficult week, but its been buffered substantially by the tremendous outpouring of love that have been shown to Seth's family and friends from all of the many communities in which he was active. Best Jack --- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: I never look at comments section, that is where the trolls live and I try to never feed the trolls. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: 'Course, the blog threads (like most of 'em on that blog site) immediately deteriorated into character slamming, name calling, and generous use of vulgar invectives over whether or not the driver was a criminal. Ignore those remarks if you go there This is what drives people to become hermits. A good person died. Many other good people are out a good friend. Save the petty bickering for later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Terrible News
You're welcome. Everything that folks here have noted is true. I know Seth enjoyed the owners bunch quite a bit - conversations from this group shifted to our lunch conversations on more than one occasion. And talking about all of you was no different from talking about our IRL friends here in Durham. I will keep all of you in the loop on goings-on here. There will likely be several bike-related events, to be certain. A first informal one is being hosted by a local shop that he frequented (one of many) this Sunday and there will be others. If this group would like to coordinate something that would benefit from any on-the-ground activities, please don't hesitate to contact me. Emailing me directly would be best, jack.warman at gmail. Here's a little more info for you: http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/localid=9166340 http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/09/3020243/durham-mourns-cyclist-killed-in.html Thanks Jack --- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, thanks so much for posting. I think we're all stunned and heartbroken over the loss of Seth and doubly so that he seemed to be adding so much to the world. Please keep us in the loop if there'll be any sort of memorial fund for Seth. Whether it goes to bike advocacy, another of his passions, or just to help the family, I imagine there are many here like me that would love to contribute something. All the best, joe broach portland, or On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Jack Warman jack.war...@gmail.com wrote: Friends, I am fortunate to have Seth as a real-world friend. And, your comments are all spot-on - he's a great guy, an asset to all the communities in which he lived, and a fun friend who will be sorely missed. I am heading over to his house now to take dinner. I have printed your kind words (forgive me, trees) and will take them to his partner, Eunice. Kind regards Jack --- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: His last tweet was about cycling: It isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. Wise words. RIP, Seth. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Regarding Seth Vidal
Friends, I am deeply saddened to share the news with you that my friend and longtime Riv owner and active RBW list participant Seth Vidal was killed by a hit and run driver last night here in Durham, NC. The latest info about the tragedy is here: http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/12639104/ http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/localid=9166340 Kind regards Jack --- Jack Warman Durham, NC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Terrible News
Friends, I am fortunate to have Seth as a real-world friend. And, your comments are all spot-on - he's a great guy, an asset to all the communities in which he lived, and a fun friend who will be sorely missed. I am heading over to his house now to take dinner. I have printed your kind words (forgive me, trees) and will take them to his partner, Eunice. Kind regards Jack --- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: His last tweet was about cycling: It isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. Wise words. RIP, Seth. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Pic of blue bike with maroon bar tape
Greetings from Durham, NC! Someone posted a pic here earlier this year - likely Jan or Feb - of a beautiful blue bike with maroon bar tape. I thought it was Patrick, but I bothered him directly and found that I was mistaken. I am writing here hoping the poster will recognize and drop me a line with a link to the photo. Thanks! Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Pic of blue bike with maroon bar tape
Thanks Norman. That wasn't the bike I was thinking of, it was more clearly blue. But, I haven't seen maroon tape on an Atlantis, that's nice! I'll have my own pic in just a moment... Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Norman norr...@gmail.com wrote: I think I may have posted some photos of a New Year's Day ride on my Hillborne (Atlantis aquamarine color) with maroon bar tape. Here are links to that as well as a more recent one with added cream sks longboard fenders: http://flic.kr/p/c4b6DG http://flic.kr/p/b5CMrc Gray had been my first choice but I'm quite happy with the maroon. Best, Norman On May 22, 6:17 pm, Jack Warman jack.war...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings from Durham, NC! Someone posted a pic here earlier this year - likely Jan or Feb - of a beautiful blue bike with maroon bar tape. I thought it was Patrick, but I bothered him directly and found that I was mistaken. I am writing here hoping the poster will recognize and drop me a line with a link to the photo. Thanks! Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] My new bike build
Greetings from Durham, NC! At long last, I am happy to be able to share a new bike build pic with you. It's not a Riv, but I hope you'll indulge me nonetheless. :-) Why is new in quotes? Well, my Surly LHTrucker isn't new, it's a 2007. And, I didn't buy it new, nor is it even new-to-me, I got it in 2009. But, as some of you may know, the maroon 2007 Truckers had notoriously bad powdercoating. It was already flaking badly when I bought it in Feb 2009, so going into the purchase, I knew I would ultimately want to re-powdercoat the bike. And, in the few years since, I have learned a bit more about my cycling, and improvements I would like to make to the bike. First, I wish it had a kickstand plate like some other well-designed bikes we know and love. And second, I really missed the stem shifters to which I grew accustomed while riding my old Panasonic. So, I added an upgrade project to the inevitable powdercoating project and this spring, I had shifter bosses added to the headtube and a proper kickstand plate added where only a kickstand plate ought be added. The build was just completed by a local shop (wish I knew how to do such things - someday maybe) and they sent me a pic. I pick up my Trucker this evening. It will be a struggle for me to be anything but worthless this afternoon. :-) Riv content: Silver shifters, Newbaum's bar tape, Nitto bar end plugs and the Just Ride spirit. My new blue Trucker (with maroon bar tape) can be seen here: http://goo.gl/ddroS Cheers Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTB: Grand Bois Randonneur handlebars
Greetings from Durham, NC! I am interested in the Grand Bois Randonneur bars. Anyone interested in liberating some? TIA, Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Rivendell Tee Shirts?
Most shops, even with those fancy fit-kits, will put you in a t-shirt that is *way* too small. Indeed. I shoved a book under my armpits and sent them my measurements. The size they gave me was bigger than anything I'd worn before. I was skeptical but I trusted the advice of everyone on this list that Riv's size would be spot on and sure enough it was. O... and those lugged sleeves. Simply spectacular! On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:38 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.comwrote: I've got over a dozen, each more comfortable than any non-RBW t-shirt I've ever owned. No doubt because they were sized by RBW. Most shops, even with those fancy fit-kits, will put you in a t-shirt that is *way* too small.No doubt the sizing of t-shirts over the past few years has been heavily influenced by the tiny clothing of the fashion/hipsterhttp://vimeo.com/27844438crowd- but what Rivendell offers is definitely not for fashionistas, rather for people who want practical, comfortable wear-it-all-day tshirts- always cotton, always ringer T's.* Matt *not really -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jupPSSAu3MYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Hennessy Hammocks for bike camping
I just started Hennessey camping this season and only made it out a few times with mine. All told, I've done probably a half dozen nights in it. The comments about your underside being cool are true. The first time I went out in it, I had my Wiggy bag and vapor barrier and what I thought to be ample sleep clothing for the weather. I fell asleep, and woke up 40 minutes later with one cold side. I rolled over and was thrilled to be warm again... for about another 40 minutes. Much of the night was like that. :-) Last spring I found their winter kit on sale and I got it. I haven't been out in even Autumn like weather in it, but it was good in late Spring. Good way t stealth camp, too, if you're into that sort of thing. I was scouting locations this past weekend and actually stumbled upon a small pedestrian bridge over a little babbling brook and realized it would be a piece of cake to hang the tent under it. I'm determined to try it some day. :-) Oh, and I hosted an S24O here in NC in early June. About a dozen folks came out, and we had 6 hammocks, 5 of them Hennessey. :-) Its a good way to go! Enjoy, Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Scotty bongos...@verizon.net wrote: I just discovered the Hennessy Hammock in my internet searches for camping gear and I find them quite interesting as an alternative to carrying a tent. I was wondering if any of you have tried these and what you think of them. I think I want one. http://hennessyhammock.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/epEsCSHMksMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: On cork and shellac...
Thanks for the advice everyone. This will be an inside job to aid curing so I can ride this weekend. The Permatex gasket sealant was acquired today, the grips arrive tomorrow (along with my manpurse... errr... Grab Bag). I'm all in. Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:14 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, June 20, 2011 1:34:54 PM UTC-4, Jack wrote: If I put on some cork grips and shellac them Thursday night, will they be dry enough to ride early Saturday morning? YES. Shellac dries quickly to the touch, but takes longer to fully cure. I like several coats. You can apply two coats Thurs night if you go by the accepted rules, many more if you take my casual approach. It probably takes a week for shellac to completely cure, but I've ridden the next day (in the New England summer) with no problem. I use a hot glue gun to attach cork grips to handlebars. I heat the handlebars with a heat gun (hair dryer will do), squirt hot glue into a grip, and slide it on. DO NOT TWIST the cork grip, it will reduce the bond. Then do the other grip. Let it cool. I figure I can remove the grips intact with a heat gun if I ever want to. Just wanted to explain a bit why I told him it may take a bit more time. I live in NC. Right now it is 10:30 at night and the relative humidity is 60%. it was . higher earlier :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] On cork and shellac...
If I put on some cork grips and shellac them Thursday night, will they be dry enough to ride early Saturday morning? How about if the shellac'ing were Wednesday night? Pimping my Xootr, Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Bike Tour Stuff.
I can't speak to average, but for a 3-4 day trip, I typically roll out of the house with 50-55 lbs. My biggest weight splurges are my coffee setup (I'm a bit of a snob in that area). I carry a grinder, filters a filter cone, scoop and several pounds of coffee - for my spring group tour, enough for a half dozen guys for 4 days. All this probably accounts for 10% of my weight. Other splurge is my camp chair. It has not provided the value I wanted, as I've always found myself in places with ample picnic table seating. But I was told early in my touring adventures that it's worth having a chair around after a good long day on the saddle. The chair gets one last chance this spring. :-) It, too, accounts for about 10%. Everything else is a little heavier than it would be were I hiking. I figure it's worth taking advantage of the fact that I'm on wheels rather than feet. Jack On Apr 24, 2011 1:21 AM, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: As I get ready to pack for my third bike tour. I start doing my traditional pre-bike tour rituals. I shave my mustache. (Something I'm not quite fond of doing. Because it makes me look younger than I really I am.) I lay out all my gear and take a picture. ( Because if you don't take a picture of it. It never really happened) Then I upload the picture. ( Because I'm vain.) As I look at my previous pre-bike tour pictures I see the evolution of gear as the time goes by. Starting from not knowing what to pack, to packing too much and then not really caring what to pack. Not having a scale but being a darn good guess-a-mater I'm putting the weight between twenty to a hundred pounds.(Remember I'm a PE teacher not a math teacher.) Curious whats the average weight for packing for a nice tour? -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] cycle computer
A Motorola Droid X with Run GPS offers a pretty large display as well (MyTracks is decent, too). And, it'll play music from your handlebars and let you call home, too. :-) Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:07 AM, karpowicz karpow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Any recommendations for one with the largest display? Age is taking its toll on the eyes... Thanks for your help. ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] On-bike battery power (was: cycle computer)
* leaving the GPS on is going to suck your battery dry in no time at all. :)* Well, Ken didn't specify how much run time he wanted, just a large display. :-) I use a New Trent rechargeable battery brick to power my phone on my bike. I keep it in a Soma Munch Box and run a USB cable from there to my handlebar mount. The New Trent version I have holds 8900 mAh, which is a lot of juice. I tested it one weekend on an all-day event that included 80-ish miles of gps usage in addition to various off-bike activities. When I pedaled back into my driveway 13 hrs later, my phone battery was at 100% and my New Trent was still at 75%. And the new bricks hold 11,000 mAh. They're a little spendy, but, imo, a pretty worthwhile investment for bike camping, randonneuring and other times you're interested in keeping something charged without ready access to a plug. Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Jack Warman jack.war...@gmail.com wrote: A Motorola Droid X with Run GPS offers a pretty large display as well (MyTracks is decent, too). And, it'll play music from your handlebars and let you call home, too. :-) Hi Jack, You're charging it from a dynamo? B/c leaving the GPS on is going to suck your battery dry in no time at all. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
