Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus/Clem sizing

[Sofie C]

And I've got a 76.5" pbh...

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 3:11:02 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> P.S. I have the stock complete 45 clem with toscos... 
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 3:09:20 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I'm 5'1.5 and shrinking lol. I ride the current 45 clem and it is 
>> a perfect fit. I could ride the 50 cm platy bc of the low standover but it 
>> did feel like a bit of a stretch, reach-wise. Changing from loscos to 
>> boscos (thanks to Leah!) helped it feel more comfortable -- and perhaps if 
>> I had tried a shorter stem (?), that would have helped even more. Alas I 
>> decided to sell the platy after I felt the perfect fit of the 45 clem.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 2:30:11 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Low stand over. Short stem. Swept back bars. Should work for an untall 
>>> rider. ;)
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 2:25:37 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I'm wrong. This happens occasionally! 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:06:28 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sofia is! She has a blue Clem from the lottery and I don’t think she 
>>>>> is 5’1”.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish they would cut this part from the product description:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- 45cm / 27.5-inch new mountain bikey size wheels. Typical rider 
>>>>>height: 5-0 to 5-5
>>>>>- 52cm / 27.5-inch new mountain bikey size wheels. Typical rider 
>>>>>height: 5-5 to 5-11
>>>>>
>>>>> It's from the first batch and doesn't even correspond to the PBH recs 
>>>>> elsewhere in the description. Nobody 5 feet tall is riding a current 45cm 
>>>>> Clem L. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:34:32 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good catch Joe. I think that is a good change and makes sense with 
>>>>>> the lng  chainstays.
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To clarify, the 45cm Clem L is a 27.5/650b bike now. And longer ETT 
>>>>>>> than the old 26-ers. 
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:23:06 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keith,
>>>>>>>> I ride a 52 Clem and am 5'10" with an 83 PBH. I could ride a 59 I 
>>>>>>>> think but I prefer the 650b wheels. The 45 Clem has 26 inch wheels 
>>>>>>>> while 
>>>>>>>> the 59 has 700c. It's so cool that wheel size scales to frame size! 
>>>>>>>> That 
>>>>>>>> you can ride multiple sizes is one advantage (of several) to the low 
>>>>>>>> top 
>>>>>>>> tube bikes. Here is a photo of mine set up for me and you can see I 
>>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> plenty of seat post showing.
>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: Clem L.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keith, here’s a photo of my Platypus; you can see how little seat 
>>>>>>>>> post is showing. But I promise it’s the right size!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 7:27 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Keith, I have the 52 Clem and the 55 Platy. They are 
>>>>>>>>> completely different bikes and the sizing is confusing because the 52 
>>>>>>>>> Clem 
>>>>>>>>> feels bigger than the 55 Platypus. I am 5’6”, with an 81 cm PBH. 
>>>>>>>>> Technically, I would be sized for the top end of the 50 Platy, but I 
>>>>>>>>> like 
&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus/Clem sizing

[Sofie C]

P.S. I have the stock complete 45 clem with toscos... 

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 3:09:20 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> Hi all! I'm 5'1.5 and shrinking lol. I ride the current 45 clem and it is 
> a perfect fit. I could ride the 50 cm platy bc of the low standover but it 
> did feel like a bit of a stretch, reach-wise. Changing from loscos to 
> boscos (thanks to Leah!) helped it feel more comfortable -- and perhaps if 
> I had tried a shorter stem (?), that would have helped even more. Alas I 
> decided to sell the platy after I felt the perfect fit of the 45 clem.
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 2:30:11 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Low stand over. Short stem. Swept back bars. Should work for an untall 
>> rider. ;)
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 2:25:37 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> So I'm wrong. This happens occasionally! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:06:28 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sofia is! She has a blue Clem from the lottery and I don’t think she is 
>>>> 5’1”.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wish they would cut this part from the product description:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- 45cm / 27.5-inch new mountain bikey size wheels. Typical rider 
>>>>height: 5-0 to 5-5
>>>>- 52cm / 27.5-inch new mountain bikey size wheels. Typical rider 
>>>>height: 5-5 to 5-11
>>>>
>>>> It's from the first batch and doesn't even correspond to the PBH recs 
>>>> elsewhere in the description. Nobody 5 feet tall is riding a current 45cm 
>>>> Clem L. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:34:32 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good catch Joe. I think that is a good change and makes sense with the 
>>>>> lng  chainstays.
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To clarify, the 45cm Clem L is a 27.5/650b bike now. And longer ETT 
>>>>>> than the old 26-ers. 
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:23:06 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keith,
>>>>>>> I ride a 52 Clem and am 5'10" with an 83 PBH. I could ride a 59 I 
>>>>>>> think but I prefer the 650b wheels. The 45 Clem has 26 inch wheels 
>>>>>>> while 
>>>>>>> the 59 has 700c. It's so cool that wheel size scales to frame size! 
>>>>>>> That 
>>>>>>> you can ride multiple sizes is one advantage (of several) to the low 
>>>>>>> top 
>>>>>>> tube bikes. Here is a photo of mine set up for me and you can see I 
>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>> plenty of seat post showing.
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Clem L.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keith, here’s a photo of my Platypus; you can see how little seat 
>>>>>>>> post is showing. But I promise it’s the right size!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 7:27 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Keith, I have the 52 Clem and the 55 Platy. They are completely 
>>>>>>>> different bikes and the sizing is confusing because the 52 Clem feels 
>>>>>>>> bigger than the 55 Platypus. I am 5’6”, with an 81 cm PBH. 
>>>>>>>> Technically, I 
>>>>>>>> would be sized for the top end of the 50 Platy, but I like to size up 
>>>>>>>> if I 
>>>>>>>> can. I have very little seat post showing, but I can’t imagine riding 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> smaller-sized Platypus. I love how the 55 Platypus fits me. The Clem 
>>>>>>>> also 
>>>>>>>> feels right to me, but it took a lot of experimenting with stems 
>>>>>>>> before I 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus/Clem sizing

[Sofie C]

Hi all! I'm 5'1.5 and shrinking lol. I ride the current 45 clem and it is a 
perfect fit. I could ride the 50 cm platy bc of the low standover but it 
did feel like a bit of a stretch, reach-wise. Changing from loscos to 
boscos (thanks to Leah!) helped it feel more comfortable -- and perhaps if 
I had tried a shorter stem (?), that would have helped even more. Alas I 
decided to sell the platy after I felt the perfect fit of the 45 clem.

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 2:30:11 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Low stand over. Short stem. Swept back bars. Should work for an untall 
> rider. ;)
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 2:25:37 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> So I'm wrong. This happens occasionally! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:06:28 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sofia is! She has a blue Clem from the lottery and I don’t think she is 
>>> 5’1”.
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 1:15 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wish they would cut this part from the product description:
>>>
>>>
>>>- 45cm / 27.5-inch new mountain bikey size wheels. Typical rider 
>>>height: 5-0 to 5-5
>>>- 52cm / 27.5-inch new mountain bikey size wheels. Typical rider 
>>>height: 5-5 to 5-11
>>>
>>> It's from the first batch and doesn't even correspond to the PBH recs 
>>> elsewhere in the description. Nobody 5 feet tall is riding a current 45cm 
>>> Clem L. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:34:32 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Good catch Joe. I think that is a good change and makes sense with the 
 lng  chainstays.
 Doug

 On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> To clarify, the 45cm Clem L is a 27.5/650b bike now. And longer ETT 
> than the old 26-ers. 
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:23:06 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Keith,
>> I ride a 52 Clem and am 5'10" with an 83 PBH. I could ride a 59 I 
>> think but I prefer the 650b wheels. The 45 Clem has 26 inch wheels while 
>> the 59 has 700c. It's so cool that wheel size scales to frame size! That 
>> you can ride multiple sizes is one advantage (of several) to the low top 
>> tube bikes. Here is a photo of mine set up for me and you can see I have 
>> plenty of seat post showing.
>> Doug
>>
>> [image: Clem L.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:30:04 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Keith, here’s a photo of my Platypus; you can see how little seat 
>>> post is showing. But I promise it’s the right size!
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 7:27 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Keith, I have the 52 Clem and the 55 Platy. They are completely 
>>> different bikes and the sizing is confusing because the 52 Clem feels 
>>> bigger than the 55 Platypus. I am 5’6”, with an 81 cm PBH. Technically, 
>>> I 
>>> would be sized for the top end of the 50 Platy, but I like to size up 
>>> if I 
>>> can. I have very little seat post showing, but I can’t imagine riding 
>>> the 
>>> smaller-sized Platypus. I love how the 55 Platypus fits me. The Clem 
>>> also 
>>> feels right to me, but it took a lot of experimenting with stems before 
>>> I 
>>> settled into it. I think I have an 80 on the Clem and a 100 on the 
>>> Platy. 
>>> After riding the Clem, my Platypus will feel a little cramped to me at 
>>> the 
>>> start of the ride. I think a 50 would definitely feel too small after 
>>> riding a 52 Clem. 
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be helpful if you could test ride, but these bikes are rare 
>>> as hen’s teeth, aren’t they? People are really nice about letting other 
>>> Listers test ride a Rivendell, so maybe post a “Want to test ride” 
>>> thread? 
>>> There might be someone with a 45 Clem L or a 55 Platy in your area who 
>>> would let you throw a leg over it for a hot minute…
>>>
>>> Do you have any leads on the bikes you’re considering?  I hope so! I 
>>> don’t often see Cheviots or Platypuses for sale and it will be a long 
>>> wait 
>>> until Rivendell gets their next shipments. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:38:22 PM UTC-4 Keith Swanson wrote:
>>>
 I have a 52 Clem L that feels a bit large for me and am trying to 
 decide whether to replace it with a 50 Platypus or a 45 Clem L (If 
 anyone 
 has a 50 Cheviot frame in silver or blue I would be interested).  Does 
 anyone know if there's much of a difference between the two sizes?  
 The 52 
 Clementine I test rode felt much different than the one I have now.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: affordable 650b wheelset

[Sofie C]

Thank you so much to all of you for your kind offers. Thanks to this list, 
I am soon to be all set with a new to me pair of wheels!

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 7:12:06 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I have exactly what you need, I think.  
>
> I just sold a barely used Yves Gomez.  I had hoped to move all the parts 
> over to a larger Gomez, but it looks like that's not going to happen.  So, 
> I have the wheelset available.  I bought these new from Riv, and they've 
> seen 200-300 miles of use.  They are Velocity Synergy rims on Deore hubs, 
> functionally identical to the Rivendell $360 budget wheelset.  I'm looking 
> for $225 plus shipping.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Casually seeking a used set of wheels, ideally under $400. Would love 
>> something like the Velocity Atlas/Cliffhanger + Shimano Deore hub sets 
>> that's currently sold out on Riv, but I'm open to others. Try me! 
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: affordable 650b wheelset

[Sofie C]

Casually seeking a used set of wheels, ideally under $400. Would love 
something like the Velocity Atlas/Cliffhanger + Shimano Deore hub sets 
that's currently sold out on Riv, but I'm open to others. Try me! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: If you want to see someone's Clem L this is the thread

[Sofie C]

I actually never tried the bubblys! I didn't need them because I still had 
my monarchs that I took off my platypus, so I sold the bubblys before I 
could fall in love with them... what can I say, I'm fickle! I have to say I 
like the monarchs a lot too... 
On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 8:34:01 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sofie, did you not like your Bubbly pedals? Technically a bear trap, I 
> love mine. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 17, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Sofie C  wrote:
>
> Wow, I love everything about your Clem! How do you like those bear trap 
> pedals? I'm also intrigued by the nitto/blue lug stem you mention...
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 9:05:37 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ryan! I adore my Clem and I long for you to have one! 
>>
>> Clems are the heros of the Rivendell line. I was just discussing this 
>> with a RivSister. I was saying that anything goes with the Clem. Do 
>> whatever you want to it; it will never complain. Clems are good-natured and 
>> stalwart and will put up with all of your nonsense. I mean, just look at 
>> what I’ve put mine through! 
>>
>> All. The. Colors. Video and photo below.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: If you want to see someone's Clem L this is the thread

[Sofie C]

Wow, I love everything about your Clem! How do you like those bear trap 
pedals? I'm also intrigued by the nitto/blue lug stem you mention...

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 9:05:37 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan! I adore my Clem and I long for you to have one! 
>
> Clems are the heros of the Rivendell line. I was just discussing this with 
> a RivSister. I was saying that anything goes with the Clem. Do whatever you 
> want to it; it will never complain. Clems are good-natured and stalwart and 
> will put up with all of your nonsense. I mean, just look at what I’ve put 
> mine through! 
>
> All. The. Colors. Video and photo below.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cherry Blossoms, Apricot Blossoms, Peach Blossoms

[Sofie C]

Takashi, these images are so gorgeous. Thank you for sharing. It is my 
dream to one day travel to Japan with my family for hanami. 

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 11:58:18 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great pictures as always, Takashi! Thanks for sharing :) 
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:06:26 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Hi Joyce
>> I didn't notice fragrance of peach blossoms. I haven't heard other people 
>> talk about fragrance of cherry or peach blossoms, so it's not that I'm 
>> insensitive to smells, I think.
>> Ume blossoms (4th image of the original post), I did notice subtle but 
>> pleasant fragrance.
>> Thank you about fenders. I bought them from Woody's Fenders (
>> https://www.woodysfenders.com/default.asp).
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Casual WTB: Small-Sized Roadish Riv/Any other short riders out there?

[Sofie C]

And sold! I hope someone here snagged it!

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:42:23 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Sofiya, 
>
> Check out this Atlantis Web Special. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/47-5cm-atlantis-proto-with-old-style-decals
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:07:39 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Richard - I have a feeling that even if I were to try the more 
>> traditional triangle frames, I'll come right back to my Clem. It's just 
>> hard not to want to try all the Rivendell flavors! 
>>
>> Joe - my dream is to one day make pilgrimage to Walnut Creek -- alas I am 
>> in the  Boston area with two small kids, so a trip out there is probably a 
>> ways out for me. Great to hear that both you and your wife love the Sam. 
>>
>> Sean - I commiserate with your wife and hope that she can find her dream 
>> bike that's also a perfect fit!
>>
>> Elisabeth - thank you so much for the feedback on the Sam sizing - it's 
>> so helpful. I'll keep my eyes peeled for earlier saluki/homer/atlantis. I 
>> have short arms too!
>>
>> Collin - your wife looks great on her Homer! 
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:40:06 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Sean mentioned looking for a bike "more appropriate 47cm(ish) bike, with 
>>> appropriate (i.e. not vastly overbuilt) tubing for someone her size/weight, 
>>> and 26" wheels." I got my wife her 47.5 AHH as a gift a couple years ago, 
>>> and barring the 26" wheel size, I'd say it almost perfectly fits the bill.
>>>
>>> Photo for proof:
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>> We've since switched out the rims for some light Pacenti Brevets (these 
>>> were originally my Clem wheels), HT albatross bars, and switched the basket 
>>> rack for a banana sax and bagboy to shed some more weight! Sadly I do not 
>>> have more detailed photos than these:
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Sactown 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 12:16:35 PM UTC-7 Sean Steinle wrote:
>>>
 Following for my 5'2" wife with 74cm pbh, who is currently making a 
 50cm Bridgestone RB-T work with Jitensha bars for casual rides. 700c 
 wheels 
 on that bike was a mind-boggling choice. I'd love to see her on a more 
 appropriate 47cm(ish) bike, with appropriate (i.e. not vastly overbuilt) 
 tubing for someone her size/weight, and 26" wheels. I fear custom is the 
 only option...

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:48:04 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone looking to unload a small, road-ish Rivendell frame? Though my 
> heart belongs to mixtes (my sole bike is the Clem after selling my 
> Platy), 
> I can't seem to get the idea of trying out a more classic, triangle frame 
> out of my mind! At 5'1.5 tall with a pbh of ~76, I am not even sure that 
> a 
> bike with a typical top tube would work out well for me (even my 50 cm 
> platy felt a little bit large), but wanted to put this out into the 
> universe. On the other hand my 45cm Clem feels like it was made for me, 
> size-wise. 



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[RBW] Re: Casual WTB: Small-Sized Roadish Riv/Any other short riders out there?

[Sofie C]

Ah!!! That is too cool.

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:42:23 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Sofiya, 
>
> Check out this Atlantis Web Special. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/47-5cm-atlantis-proto-with-old-style-decals
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:07:39 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Richard - I have a feeling that even if I were to try the more 
>> traditional triangle frames, I'll come right back to my Clem. It's just 
>> hard not to want to try all the Rivendell flavors! 
>>
>> Joe - my dream is to one day make pilgrimage to Walnut Creek -- alas I am 
>> in the  Boston area with two small kids, so a trip out there is probably a 
>> ways out for me. Great to hear that both you and your wife love the Sam. 
>>
>> Sean - I commiserate with your wife and hope that she can find her dream 
>> bike that's also a perfect fit!
>>
>> Elisabeth - thank you so much for the feedback on the Sam sizing - it's 
>> so helpful. I'll keep my eyes peeled for earlier saluki/homer/atlantis. I 
>> have short arms too!
>>
>> Collin - your wife looks great on her Homer! 
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:40:06 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Sean mentioned looking for a bike "more appropriate 47cm(ish) bike, with 
>>> appropriate (i.e. not vastly overbuilt) tubing for someone her size/weight, 
>>> and 26" wheels." I got my wife her 47.5 AHH as a gift a couple years ago, 
>>> and barring the 26" wheel size, I'd say it almost perfectly fits the bill.
>>>
>>> Photo for proof:
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>> We've since switched out the rims for some light Pacenti Brevets (these 
>>> were originally my Clem wheels), HT albatross bars, and switched the basket 
>>> rack for a banana sax and bagboy to shed some more weight! Sadly I do not 
>>> have more detailed photos than these:
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Sactown 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 12:16:35 PM UTC-7 Sean Steinle wrote:
>>>
 Following for my 5'2" wife with 74cm pbh, who is currently making a 
 50cm Bridgestone RB-T work with Jitensha bars for casual rides. 700c 
 wheels 
 on that bike was a mind-boggling choice. I'd love to see her on a more 
 appropriate 47cm(ish) bike, with appropriate (i.e. not vastly overbuilt) 
 tubing for someone her size/weight, and 26" wheels. I fear custom is the 
 only option...

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:48:04 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone looking to unload a small, road-ish Rivendell frame? Though my 
> heart belongs to mixtes (my sole bike is the Clem after selling my 
> Platy), 
> I can't seem to get the idea of trying out a more classic, triangle frame 
> out of my mind! At 5'1.5 tall with a pbh of ~76, I am not even sure that 
> a 
> bike with a typical top tube would work out well for me (even my 50 cm 
> platy felt a little bit large), but wanted to put this out into the 
> universe. On the other hand my 45cm Clem feels like it was made for me, 
> size-wise. 



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[RBW] Re: Casual WTB: Small-Sized Roadish Riv/Any other short riders out there?

[Sofie C]

Richard - I have a feeling that even if I were to try the more traditional 
triangle frames, I'll come right back to my Clem. It's just hard not to 
want to try all the Rivendell flavors! 

Joe - my dream is to one day make pilgrimage to Walnut Creek -- alas I am 
in the  Boston area with two small kids, so a trip out there is probably a 
ways out for me. Great to hear that both you and your wife love the Sam. 

Sean - I commiserate with your wife and hope that she can find her dream 
bike that's also a perfect fit!

Elisabeth - thank you so much for the feedback on the Sam sizing - it's so 
helpful. I'll keep my eyes peeled for earlier saluki/homer/atlantis. I have 
short arms too!

Collin - your wife looks great on her Homer! 
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:40:06 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:

> Sean mentioned looking for a bike "more appropriate 47cm(ish) bike, with 
> appropriate (i.e. not vastly overbuilt) tubing for someone her size/weight, 
> and 26" wheels." I got my wife her 47.5 AHH as a gift a couple years ago, 
> and barring the 26" wheel size, I'd say it almost perfectly fits the bill.
>
> Photo for proof:
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> We've since switched out the rims for some light Pacenti Brevets (these 
> were originally my Clem wheels), HT albatross bars, and switched the basket 
> rack for a banana sax and bagboy to shed some more weight! Sadly I do not 
> have more detailed photos than these:
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sactown 
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 12:16:35 PM UTC-7 Sean Steinle wrote:
>
>> Following for my 5'2" wife with 74cm pbh, who is currently making a 50cm 
>> Bridgestone RB-T work with Jitensha bars for casual rides. 700c wheels on 
>> that bike was a mind-boggling choice. I'd love to see her on a more 
>> appropriate 47cm(ish) bike, with appropriate (i.e. not vastly overbuilt) 
>> tubing for someone her size/weight, and 26" wheels. I fear custom is the 
>> only option...
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:48:04 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone looking to unload a small, road-ish Rivendell frame? Though my 
>>> heart belongs to mixtes (my sole bike is the Clem after selling my Platy), 
>>> I can't seem to get the idea of trying out a more classic, triangle frame 
>>> out of my mind! At 5'1.5 tall with a pbh of ~76, I am not even sure that a 
>>> bike with a typical top tube would work out well for me (even my 50 cm 
>>> platy felt a little bit large), but wanted to put this out into the 
>>> universe. On the other hand my 45cm Clem feels like it was made for me, 
>>> size-wise. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Casual WTB: Small-Sized Roadish Riv/Any other short riders out there?

[Sofie C]

Anyone looking to unload a small, road-ish Rivendell frame? Though my heart 
belongs to mixtes (my sole bike is the Clem after selling my Platy), I 
can't seem to get the idea of trying out a more classic, triangle frame out 
of my mind! At 5'1.5 tall with a pbh of ~76, I am not even sure that a bike 
with a typical top tube would work out well for me (even my 50 cm platy 
felt a little bit large), but wanted to put this out into the universe. On 
the other hand my 45cm Clem feels like it was made for me, size-wise. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Erlen Rack, SimWorks Bubbly Pedals, Berthoud Saddle

[Sofie C]

--Bubbly pedals sold :-)
--Price drop on Berthoud Saddle - $185 if it goes today so I can save trips 
to the post office, otherwise I may hang on to it. Did I mention it is 
ultralight and sold out at Rene Here, where I purchased it for $255 :-)? 


On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:54:47 AM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> Erlen rack sold!
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:30:48 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_6493.jpg][image: IMG_6494.jpg][image: IMG_6499.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_6496.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_6495.jpg]
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:
>>
>>> I don't want to sell any of these items but I need to adult. All prices 
>>> include U.S. shipping
>>>
>>> --Ocean Air Cycles Erlen Rack - $115 shipped in the U.S. (Installed once 
>>> and lightly used). Installs in between saddle rails and seat post -- 
>>> beautiful and genius!
>>> --MKS/SimWorks Bubbly Medals, Bronze (new w/o box) - $95 
>>> --Po Campo Bergen Pannier Bag (brand new) - $95. Really well made 
>>> commuter bag with nice features like a padded laptop compartment and its 
>>> own built in rain jacket!
>>> --Berthoud Marie-Blanque Saddle - beautiful dark brown leather - not 
>>> broken in, almost new - $195
>>>
>>> Feel free to DM me for pics -- otherwise I'll post a link to photos here 
>>> soon, once I can get iCloud to work!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Sofie C]

Count me in for the clementine decal campaign, Joyce!

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:56:00 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> This is such a tough choice! I love both Clem and Platypus, but if I could 
> have only one, it would be my mermaid Platy because it is elegant, agile 
> and tough enough.  
>
> Speaking of Clems, I was disappointed mine didn’t come with the Clementine 
> name sticker.  When I called to see if I could get me, no luck.  I think we 
> should start a campaign to make them available so we can properly name our 
> Clementines.  Mine is dark green so the pink name sticker would look great 
> on it though I’d much prefer a beautiful sky blue.
>
> Joyce
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:36:41 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> PS I would not want to be guilty of getting someone’s name wrong. I know 
>> Sofie (Sofiya) from our conversations on IG and I wrote her name the way 
>> she spells it there. Sorry if I confused anyone!
>>
>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 12:32 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> RivSisters, YES. I so agree. A custom Clem with the name Clementine in 
>> pale, sparkly/pearlescent pink would be a DREAMY thing. Rivendell - are you 
>> listening? Can we do a special run of these? And yes, Sofia, since the 
>> Platypus has been so popular, I hope Riv can make one size smaller and one 
>> size bigger so anyone can ride that model. It’s such a splendid bike. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 12:22:34 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Christine, sign me up for your custom! I've already got my beloved clem 
>>> in RWB blue but my dream custom was a pale pearly pink platypus made to fit 
>>> me (the 50 cm is just a hair to big for me!) 
>>>  
>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 12:02:54 PM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Mine would be a custom Clem. Painted a sparkly light pink with that 
 pearlescent look, built up with all Silver components. And it would have 
 custom decals with her proper Clementine name, no more Smith Jr! Oh and 
 definitely a different head badge, something colourful and pretty, the 
 Clem 
 badge is just kinda boring. At this point, it's not really a Clem anymore 
 I 
 guess 路‍♀️
 Christine

 On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:22:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>
> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
> question yesterday: 
>
> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
> what style - mixte or normal? 
>
> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>
> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
> does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>
> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Sofie C]

Christine, sign me up for your custom! I've already got my beloved clem in 
RWB blue but my dream custom was a pale pearly pink platypus made to fit me 
(the 50 cm is just a hair to big for me!) 
 
On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 12:02:54 PM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mine would be a custom Clem. Painted a sparkly light pink with that 
> pearlescent look, built up with all Silver components. And it would have 
> custom decals with her proper Clementine name, no more Smith Jr! Oh and 
> definitely a different head badge, something colourful and pretty, the Clem 
> badge is just kinda boring. At this point, it's not really a Clem anymore I 
> guess 路‍♀️
> Christine
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 7:22:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
>> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>>
>> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
>> question yesterday: 
>>
>> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
>> what style - mixte or normal? 
>>
>> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>>
>> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
>> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
>> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
>> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
>> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
>> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
>> does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>>
>> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
>> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
>> Leah
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Erlen Rack, SimWorks Bubbly Pedals, Berthoud Saddle

[Sofie C]

Erlen rack sold!

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:30:48 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> [image: IMG_6493.jpg][image: IMG_6494.jpg][image: IMG_6499.jpg]
> [image: IMG_6496.jpg]
> [image: IMG_6495.jpg]
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:
>
>> I don't want to sell any of these items but I need to adult. All prices 
>> include U.S. shipping
>>
>> --Ocean Air Cycles Erlen Rack - $115 shipped in the U.S. (Installed once 
>> and lightly used). Installs in between saddle rails and seat post -- 
>> beautiful and genius!
>> --MKS/SimWorks Bubbly Medals, Bronze (new w/o box) - $95 
>> --Po Campo Bergen Pannier Bag (brand new) - $95. Really well made 
>> commuter bag with nice features like a padded laptop compartment and its 
>> own built in rain jacket!
>> --Berthoud Marie-Blanque Saddle - beautiful dark brown leather - not 
>> broken in, almost new - $195
>>
>> Feel free to DM me for pics -- otherwise I'll post a link to photos here 
>> soon, once I can get iCloud to work!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Erlen Rack, SimWorks Bubbly Pedals, Berthoud Saddle

[Sofie C]

I don't want to sell any of these items but I need to adult. All prices 
include U.S. shipping

--Ocean Air Cycles Erlen Rack - $115 shipped in the U.S. (Installed once 
and lightly used). Installs in between saddle rails and seat post -- 
beautiful and genius!
--MKS/SimWorks Bubbly Medals, Bronze (new w/o box) - $95 
--Po Campo Bergen Pannier Bag (brand new) - $95. Really well made commuter 
bag with nice features like a padded laptop compartment and its own built 
in rain jacket!
--Berthoud Marie-Blanque Saddle - beautiful dark brown leather - not broken 
in, almost new - $195

Feel free to DM me for pics -- otherwise I'll post a link to photos here 
soon, once I can get iCloud to work!

Thanks!





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[RBW] Re: Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Sofie C]

So, I put the RH Juniper Hill tires on, and the new shoes make a big 
difference! The Clem feels so much lighter and yet there's still plenty of 
cush and grip off pavement. Thank you again for all the great 
recommendations. 

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:53:21 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> Wow, thanks so much to all of you for the incredibly thoughtful advice. 
> I'm going to keep my Clem as is for longer with a few minor tweaks... I 
> ordered some extra light Juniper Ridge RH tires (48mm) and will see how 
> that changes the feel. I'm also playing with the saddle setback (thank you 
> for the tip, Patrick! And probably most importantly, I'm working on 
> building my leg strength so hopefully those hills won't feel as daunting, 
> no matter the weight of my Clem!
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:42:33 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> I second the recommendation of waiting until you really know what you 
>> want. 
>>
>> If you do go down the building wheels road, you can try getting some 
>> wheels built by Pro Wheel Builder (PWB) in Georgia. I had two sets of 
>> Velocity Atlas (650b) wheels built and shipped to me for $650. I sent my 
>> own Shimano hubs (LX) to them because it is getting difficult to source 135 
>> mm rear hubs in silver that are not super expensive (WI etc). 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:37:49 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sofie,
>>>
>>> I might choose option 3, but with a caveat. Let me explain.
>>>
>>> Your Clem is relatively new to you. You are using it and discovering 
>>> what kind of riding you like to do and how the bike best suits you, and how 
>>> you can incorporate it into your daily life. This is wonderful! 
>>>
>>> That said, I would be hesitant to change anything for awhile. Why? 
>>> Because I get the feeling that you are still discovering what you really 
>>> want - and that’s a positive and fun thing. As my miles have increased, I 
>>> have discovered who I really am as a rider. I’ve ridden enough to know what 
>>> I want and avoid the FOMO. Now when I make a change to my bike, I KNOW it’s 
>>> in my best interest. I’m not against making expensive investments in my 
>>> bike (which is well documented on this List); rather, I just want to know 
>>> it’s money well-spent.
>>>
>>> For instance: In 2020 with nothing to do and nowhere to go, I really 
>>> stepped up my miles. My boys were older and could be without me, and I was 
>>> yearning to find new places to ride. I got over 3,000 miles in 2020 and 
>>> that taught me a LOT. I wanted more capability out of my bike, and that 
>>> meant big changes to my Clem and adding a zippy Platypus. None of the 
>>> changes or decisions I made would have felt necessary to me in 2012 when I 
>>> got my Betty Foy. The Betty was set up to be a tank. Biggest heavy-duty 
>>> racks Nitto made, biggest basket by Wald, so I could haul a dog and pull 
>>> kids and bring picnic lunches and school supplies. It was my only bike, and 
>>> it served me well in those years.
>>>
>>> But Leah 2020-present is a very different rider. I wanted to ride in the 
>>> dark and tired of dead batteries, so I needed dyno lighting. I wanted to 
>>> pedal up the mountains with more ease, so I procured lighter wheels and 
>>> better tires. I did my first club ride on Monday on my raspberry Platypus. 
>>> I have started grocery shopping and errand-running by bike. It has been a 
>>> journey and a joy to evolve in my bike life and I can’t wait to see where 
>>> you’re headed in yours, RivSister. 
>>>
>>> This is just my opinion, but you do as you wish! ♥️
>>> Leah
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
>>>> that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
>>>> so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
>>>> My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
>>>> doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
>>>> of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
>>>> about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
>>>> the stock wheels.
>>>>
>>>> I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight w

[RBW] Re: Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Sofie C]

Wow, thanks so much to all of you for the incredibly thoughtful advice. I'm 
going to keep my Clem as is for longer with a few minor tweaks... I ordered 
some extra light Juniper Ridge RH tires (48mm) and will see how that 
changes the feel. I'm also playing with the saddle setback (thank you for 
the tip, Patrick! And probably most importantly, I'm working on building my 
leg strength so hopefully those hills won't feel as daunting, no matter the 
weight of my Clem!
On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:42:33 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:

> I second the recommendation of waiting until you really know what you 
> want. 
>
> If you do go down the building wheels road, you can try getting some 
> wheels built by Pro Wheel Builder (PWB) in Georgia. I had two sets of 
> Velocity Atlas (650b) wheels built and shipped to me for $650. I sent my 
> own Shimano hubs (LX) to them because it is getting difficult to source 135 
> mm rear hubs in silver that are not super expensive (WI etc). 
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:37:49 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sofie,
>>
>> I might choose option 3, but with a caveat. Let me explain.
>>
>> Your Clem is relatively new to you. You are using it and discovering what 
>> kind of riding you like to do and how the bike best suits you, and how you 
>> can incorporate it into your daily life. This is wonderful! 
>>
>> That said, I would be hesitant to change anything for awhile. Why? 
>> Because I get the feeling that you are still discovering what you really 
>> want - and that’s a positive and fun thing. As my miles have increased, I 
>> have discovered who I really am as a rider. I’ve ridden enough to know what 
>> I want and avoid the FOMO. Now when I make a change to my bike, I KNOW it’s 
>> in my best interest. I’m not against making expensive investments in my 
>> bike (which is well documented on this List); rather, I just want to know 
>> it’s money well-spent.
>>
>> For instance: In 2020 with nothing to do and nowhere to go, I really 
>> stepped up my miles. My boys were older and could be without me, and I was 
>> yearning to find new places to ride. I got over 3,000 miles in 2020 and 
>> that taught me a LOT. I wanted more capability out of my bike, and that 
>> meant big changes to my Clem and adding a zippy Platypus. None of the 
>> changes or decisions I made would have felt necessary to me in 2012 when I 
>> got my Betty Foy. The Betty was set up to be a tank. Biggest heavy-duty 
>> racks Nitto made, biggest basket by Wald, so I could haul a dog and pull 
>> kids and bring picnic lunches and school supplies. It was my only bike, and 
>> it served me well in those years.
>>
>> But Leah 2020-present is a very different rider. I wanted to ride in the 
>> dark and tired of dead batteries, so I needed dyno lighting. I wanted to 
>> pedal up the mountains with more ease, so I procured lighter wheels and 
>> better tires. I did my first club ride on Monday on my raspberry Platypus. 
>> I have started grocery shopping and errand-running by bike. It has been a 
>> journey and a joy to evolve in my bike life and I can’t wait to see where 
>> you’re headed in yours, RivSister. 
>>
>> This is just my opinion, but you do as you wish! ♥️
>> Leah
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
>>> that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
>>> so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
>>> My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
>>> doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
>>> of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
>>> about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
>>> the stock wheels.
>>>
>>> I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:
>>>
>>> 1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight wheels without Dyno for 
>>> daytime riding (which is what I mostly do anyway). Keep Clem stock wheels 
>>> for when I really need the Dyno. I'd have two sets of wheels. 
>>>
>>> 2. Get new rims (Velocity Cliffhangers?) and salvage the SON hub - Rich 
>>> can use the hub in rebuilding the front wheel. This leaves me with an extra 
>>> Clem stock rear wheel. 
>>>
>>> 3. Be happy with what I have.
>>>
>>> What would you do?
>>>
>>> Sofie
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Sofie C]

Wow, thank you Joe, Joe B, Collin, Patrick, and Richard for such helpful 
responses. 

Joe: Touche! I've also thought about spending more of my energy on 
strengthening my legs - maybe then the hills won't feel so cumbersome!

Joe B: That's an interesting option 4! Good point about the weight of the 
dyno hub being substantial.

Collin: It's funny you mention your partner's AHH... I have no faith in my 
ability to learn wheel building at this point in my life, but I did nearly 
use this conundrum to rationalize acquiring a Rivendell frame for my 
husband to make use of the current wheels. Did you end up keeping a dynamo 
hub on the front wheel of your clem?

Patrick: I've considered trying some new tires, and have been eyeing some 
from RH. I currently have Schwalbe G-One Evolution tires, and they're 57mm, 
so perhaps I should try some lighter tires. I love the cush of the G-Ones, 
but they are probably more robust than I need.

Richard: It's nice to hear I'm not alone in practicing "mental gymnastics" 
around my Clem! I will check out the Quills too, though they are likely out 
of my budget... I was thinking about an option like Cliffhanger rims with a 
decent, non-dyno hub and lighter tires, which would set me back by more 
like $600... 
 
Does anyone keep more than one set of wheels for one bike or is that 
utterly ridiculous?


On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 6:40:55 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I go through these mental gymnastics all of the time. First, I was just 
> recently looking at the Cliffhanger vs. Atlas thing. I was surprised that 
> Velocity shows the Cliffhanger is actually heavier than the Atlas? My Clem 
> came with the Cliffhanger wheels. They are sturdy & I like them. But they 
> are heavy - as is the Clem. That said, if I wanted to ride this bike 
> exclusively on pavement & not loaded I would be in the market for lighter 
> wheels & tires. I think one could save easily 2 pounds of rotational weight 
> which would be noticeable. Might be the only way to remove meaningful 
> weight from a Clem? One scenario might be a set of Velocity wheels 
> utilizing their Quill rim. Those wheels combined with perhaps a 38mm - 42mm 
> tire would, I think, save at least two pounds though I have not confirmed 
> the numbers. But it is a significant cost. Nearly $1k for the wheelset 
> alone.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Sofie,
>
>
> I went through literally this exact conundrum not too long after I got my 
> 52 clem in 2017. It sounds like the speed of climbing (and therefore gear 
> choice) is not an issue, more of how it feels. Also, once you go dyanmo 
> (especially a nice one like the SON, its hard to go back).
>
>- I chose Option #2 in your case (cliffhanger plus a new rear hub), 
>and ended up re-lacing the existing clem hubs and spokes with some lighter 
>rims (pacenti brevets) and used them for my partner's AHH. It also gave me 
>an excuse to pickup the skills of wheelbuilding, which is not as 
>intimidating it seems.
>
> The new setup made a big difference in how the bike felt, but I also used 
> the new tubeless compatible rims to setup the clem tubeless, so that also 
> had an affect on the ride feel (i.e. lower pressures and less rotating 
> weight, tubes are heavy!). Did it make me quicker riding up hills? Strava 
> says maybe, but regardless it did make the bike feel much zippier when 
> climbing which helped me enjoy riding the clem on bigger days with bigger 
> hills.
>
> If I were to do it again, I'd setup the clem with even lighter duty rims, 
> something like the Pacenti Brevet or Velocity Quills. When built up by a 
> good wheelbuilder, they can make an excellent set of wheels that can handle 
> hillibike style (but not reckless!) riding with abandon. The tradeoff here 
> is the narrow brake track, something to keep an eye on as the pads wear 
> down.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Collin in Pancake Sacramento
>
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 1:49:09 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
>> that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
>> so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
>> My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
>> doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
>> of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
>> about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
>> the stock wheels.
>>
>> I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:
>>
>> 1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight wheels without Dyno for 
>> daytime riding (which is what I mostly do anyway). Keep Clem stock wheels 
>> for when I really need the Dyno. I'd have two sets of wheels. 
>>
>> 2. Get new rims (Velocity Cliffhangers?) and salvage the SON hub - Rich 
>> can use the hub in 

[RBW] Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Sofie C]

Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
the stock wheels.

I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:

1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight wheels without Dyno for daytime 
riding (which is what I mostly do anyway). Keep Clem stock wheels for when 
I really need the Dyno. I'd have two sets of wheels. 

2. Get new rims (Velocity Cliffhangers?) and salvage the SON hub - Rich can 
use the hub in rebuilding the front wheel. This leaves me with an extra 
Clem stock rear wheel. 

3. Be happy with what I have.

What would you do?

Sofie

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto S83 post, Soma kickstand, Dynaplug

[Sofie C]

Seatpost sold. Kickstand and dynaplug still available. Feel free to make a 
reasonable offer! 

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 7:41:37 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> [image: image1.jpeg]Photos of scratches on seatpost
> [image: image2.jpeg]
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 5:37:59 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:
>
>> Clearing out a few parts to save up for some new ones on my wishlist!
>>
>>- Nitto S83 seatpost (26.8 x 300) - purchased from Riv, barely used, 
>>but has scratches - $95
>>- Soma kickstand (silver clamp-on) - purchased from Riv, mounted on 
>>my platypus and trimmed by local bike shop (message me for exact 
>>measurements). $28
>>- Dynaplug Racer (olive color) - brand new, purchased from Analog - 
>>$38
>>
>> Will ship at cost, or pickup in Cambridge, Mass. 
>>
>> Pictures here:
>> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0edl37azVMityOZwUshTAwwtw
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

[Sofie C]

I've cycled through a few different saddles but I now prefer my B67s on my 
new clem (even over my Berthoud Marie-Blanque saddle and definitely more 
than the B17). The cons of the saddle seem to be the weight (those heavy 
springs!) -- also at first the leather feels almost plastic-like, as 
compared to the smooth leather on the B17. I also think the springiness of 
the saddle is perceptible in a good way, which makes up for the weight. The 
B67s feels the most hammock-like of any of the ones I've tried. Granted, I 
have not taken the Clem or the saddle for any long rides, so I speak from 
very limited experience!

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather saddles 
> (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff bikes" I 
> rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to 
> get comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my 
> everything else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a 
> more swept back bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne 
> stem. I was pretty comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place 
> where I was not sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the 
> experiment led me to my interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem (Lucky 
> day!). To date I have only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs saddle 
> and it has been great for most of the nearly 600 miles I have put on the 
> bike. Most of those rides have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in length. The 
> other day I went almost three hours and my sit bones were getting 
> uncomfortable. My thinking is that the SQ is just too narrow for the very 
> upright position. The B67 seems the natural choice. Thus my question - why 
> do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes and on Clem's in particular?
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto S83 post, Soma kickstand, Dynaplug

[Sofie C]

Clearing out a few parts to save up for some new ones on my wishlist!

   - Nitto S83 seatpost (26.8 x 300) - purchased from Riv, barely used, but 
   has scratches - $95
   - Soma kickstand (silver clamp-on) - purchased from Riv, mounted on my 
   platypus and trimmed by local bike shop (message me for exact 
   measurements). $28
   - Dynaplug Racer (olive color) - brand new, purchased from Analog - $38

Will ship at cost, or pickup in Cambridge, Mass. 

Pictures here:
https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0edl37azVMityOZwUshTAwwtw

Thanks for looking!

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[RBW] Re: FT: Brooks B17 Saddles

[Sofie C]

Sorry - Honey B17 still available, Black B17 special is pending trade.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 10:56:09 AM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> Pending trade, thank you for the interest. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:25:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Here is a pic of the Professional S, the same saddle along side a regular 
>> Professional for comparison, and another one of the bolt-on bag loop 
>> adapter you'd need if you use saddle bags.  Also, here is a link to the 
>> Brooks website's description of the Professional S, it's dimensions, and a 
>> photo or two.  
>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/team-pro-special-short.html  Now 
>> that you've posted some pics of your saddles looks like some interest is 
>> beginning to pick up.
>>
>> [image: DSCN0986.JPG]
>> [image: DSCN0987.JPG]
>> [image: DSCN0988.JPG]
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Pics of the two saddles at this link: 
>>> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0b9glo4z6j2IUM8sDaasXliBA
>>>
>>> George, can you tell me more about the professional saddle - I'm not 
>>> familiar with this model. If it's any narrower than the B17, then it 
>>> probably wouldn't work for me, but, I would love to see pics!
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:04:16 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oops.  I took another look at my short nosed Brooks saddle and it's a 
>>>> "Professional S", not a "B17s."  That means a shorter nose, but the width 
>>>> of a Brooks Pro and NO bag loops.  If you want those I can include a "bolt 
>>>> on" bag loop adapter in the trade if you would still be interested in that 
>>>> kind of saddle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:35:35 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, thanks.  I'll do the same with my B17S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:26:30 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi George, yes I should have been more clear - it is the one with the 
>>>>>> large copper rivets. Happy to post a pic tomorrow!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:16:49 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to make sure I understand your "black special".  Is that the 
>>>>>>> one with the large copper rivets and the chamfered edge on the leather 
>>>>>>> along the bottom edge?  If so, I have a black B17S with those same 
>>>>>>> characteristics that I might be willing to trade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:39:58 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got two Brooks b17 saddles (honey regular, and black special) 
>>>>>>>> to trade - neither of them are broken in yet. I'm looking to ideally 
>>>>>>>> trade 
>>>>>>>> them for the short nosed versions, B17S, B67s, or B68. I'm open to 
>>>>>>>> trying 
>>>>>>>> other saddle shapes as well, or would also possibly trade for a 
>>>>>>>> Sackville 
>>>>>>>> bag.  Located in Massachusetts!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FT: Brooks B17 Saddles

[Sofie C]

Pending trade, thank you for the interest. 

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 1:25:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Here is a pic of the Professional S, the same saddle along side a regular 
> Professional for comparison, and another one of the bolt-on bag loop 
> adapter you'd need if you use saddle bags.  Also, here is a link to the 
> Brooks website's description of the Professional S, it's dimensions, and a 
> photo or two.  
> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/team-pro-special-short.html  Now that 
> you've posted some pics of your saddles looks like some interest is 
> beginning to pick up.
>
> [image: DSCN0986.JPG]
> [image: DSCN0987.JPG]
> [image: DSCN0988.JPG]
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Pics of the two saddles at this link: 
>> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0b9glo4z6j2IUM8sDaasXliBA
>>
>> George, can you tell me more about the professional saddle - I'm not 
>> familiar with this model. If it's any narrower than the B17, then it 
>> probably wouldn't work for me, but, I would love to see pics!
>>
>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:04:16 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Oops.  I took another look at my short nosed Brooks saddle and it's a 
>>> "Professional S", not a "B17s."  That means a shorter nose, but the width 
>>> of a Brooks Pro and NO bag loops.  If you want those I can include a "bolt 
>>> on" bag loop adapter in the trade if you would still be interested in that 
>>> kind of saddle.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:35:35 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 OK, thanks.  I'll do the same with my B17S.


 On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:26:30 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi George, yes I should have been more clear - it is the one with the 
> large copper rivets. Happy to post a pic tomorrow!
>
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:16:49 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I want to make sure I understand your "black special".  Is that the 
>> one with the large copper rivets and the chamfered edge on the leather 
>> along the bottom edge?  If so, I have a black B17S with those same 
>> characteristics that I might be willing to trade.
>>
>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:39:58 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've got two Brooks b17 saddles (honey regular, and black special) 
>>> to trade - neither of them are broken in yet. I'm looking to ideally 
>>> trade 
>>> them for the short nosed versions, B17S, B67s, or B68. I'm open to 
>>> trying 
>>> other saddle shapes as well, or would also possibly trade for a 
>>> Sackville 
>>> bag.  Located in Massachusetts!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FT: Brooks B17 Saddles

[Sofie C]

Pics of the two saddles at this 
link: https://www.icloud.com/photos/#0b9glo4z6j2IUM8sDaasXliBA

George, can you tell me more about the professional saddle - I'm not 
familiar with this model. If it's any narrower than the B17, then it 
probably wouldn't work for me, but, I would love to see pics!

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:04:16 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Oops.  I took another look at my short nosed Brooks saddle and it's a 
> "Professional S", not a "B17s."  That means a shorter nose, but the width 
> of a Brooks Pro and NO bag loops.  If you want those I can include a "bolt 
> on" bag loop adapter in the trade if you would still be interested in that 
> kind of saddle.
>
>
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:35:35 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> OK, thanks.  I'll do the same with my B17S.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 8:26:30 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi George, yes I should have been more clear - it is the one with the 
>>> large copper rivets. Happy to post a pic tomorrow!
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:16:49 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I want to make sure I understand your "black special".  Is that the one 
 with the large copper rivets and the chamfered edge on the leather along 
 the bottom edge?  If so, I have a black B17S with those same 
 characteristics that I might be willing to trade.

 On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:39:58 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got two Brooks b17 saddles (honey regular, and black special) to 
> trade - neither of them are broken in yet. I'm looking to ideally trade 
> them for the short nosed versions, B17S, B67s, or B68. I'm open to trying 
> other saddle shapes as well, or would also possibly trade for a Sackville 
> bag.  Located in Massachusetts!



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[RBW] Re: FT: Brooks B17 Saddles

[Sofie C]

Hi George, yes I should have been more clear - it is the one with the large 
copper rivets. Happy to post a pic tomorrow!

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:16:49 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> I want to make sure I understand your "black special".  Is that the one 
> with the large copper rivets and the chamfered edge on the leather along 
> the bottom edge?  If so, I have a black B17S with those same 
> characteristics that I might be willing to trade.
>
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 5:39:58 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've got two Brooks b17 saddles (honey regular, and black special) to 
>> trade - neither of them are broken in yet. I'm looking to ideally trade 
>> them for the short nosed versions, B17S, B67s, or B68. I'm open to trying 
>> other saddle shapes as well, or would also possibly trade for a Sackville 
>> bag.  Located in Massachusetts!
>
>

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[RBW] FT: Brooks B17 Saddles

[Sofie C]

I've got two Brooks b17 saddles (honey regular, and black special) to trade 
- neither of them are broken in yet. I'm looking to ideally trade them for 
the short nosed versions, B17S, B67s, or B68. I'm open to trying other 
saddle shapes as well, or would also possibly trade for a Sackville bag. 
 Located in Massachusetts!

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[RBW] Re: Swift Sugarloaf Basket Bag

[Sofie C]

Sold!

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:53:41 AM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:

> Selling my custom mulberry sugarloaf basket bag from swift industries -- 
> only because I'm not using a Wald 137 basket anymore. It's in like new 
> condition and has a nifty fox patch. $165 shipped in the U.S. via friends 
> and family PayPal or Venmo please. I'll ship anywhere outside the U.S. at 
> cost.
>
> Pic here:
> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#079BI8rZEnArMEkWh4N1Nu7rw
>

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[RBW] Swift Sugarloaf Basket Bag

[Sofie C]

Selling my custom mulberry sugarloaf basket bag from swift industries -- 
only because I'm not using a Wald 137 basket anymore. It's in like new 
condition and has a nifty fox patch. $165 shipped in the U.S. via friends 
and family PayPal or Venmo please. I'll ship anywhere outside the U.S. at 
cost.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Lost 2 Pounds!

[Sofie C]

Beautiful clem and wheel build - congrats! 

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> It’s funny because I think they look like Cliffhanger also. Loving my Clem 
> which came with Deore / Cliffhanger build & I know they are bulletproof but 
> they seem heavy. I cannot imagine an additional 2lbs. of rotational weight 
> on this bike. I have been looking into Rene Herse tires which by themselves 
> look to save me between 1 - 1.5 lbs. I should mention that my wheels have 
> 36 spokes front & rear.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 12, 2022, at 10:18 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Nice, Joyce!
>
>
> I'm also interested to know the rims. I can't remember what you had before 
> and I can't tell by zooming in but they kinda look like Cliffhangers. 
>
> The bike looks great :) 
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:13:16 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Deore hubs but which rims?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I know a lot of people won’t believe that 2 pounds off a bike is a lot 
>> but it IS. I’m thrilled for you, RivSister Joyce. The Clem is great but is 
>> made greater with better and lighter wheels and tires. I will never, ever 
>> part with my Clem! I have a pair of Platys, and one is set up with front 
>> and rear racks while the other only has a lightweight rear rack. I can 
>> absolutely feel the weight difference. I don’t mind that the mermaid bike 
>> is heavy because it’s an errand/shopping bike and I knew it would be stout, 
>> but it is a different thing to build a bike and FIND that it feels heavy. 
>> You know what I mean?
>>
>>
>> At any rate, I’m so excited for you. Please post back here now and then 
>> and let us know how you’re getting on.
>> Love,
>> L
>>
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 1:09:50 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations, Joyce!  Those are some serious “nothing’s going to stop 
>>> me riding” tires.  
>>>
>>>  I, also, couldn’t believe the ride difference when I upgraded my wheels 
>>> and tires. 
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 11:24:42 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>
 You'll probably remember I wrote some time ago asking for ideas on how 
 to lighten up my Clem. Thanks to the great advice from this group, I 
 *finally* got some new wheels and tires for Clem and oh, what a 
 difference!  Clem lost two pounds in the process and I got a more agile 
 bike with tires that will handle the mud and just about any other 
 trail/road condition.  

 I called Rivendell one day and just my luck, Rich happened to answer 
 the phone.  We discussed several possibilities including having him build 
 the wheels, but then recommended the Velocity-built wheels with Deore 
 hubs.  I ordered the RH Juniper Ridge tires (650x48),  endurance casing, 
 and Schwalbe ultralight tubes.  I'm very happy with the set up.  Now it's 
 going to the bike shop for brake adjustment and to check my handiwork on 
 the rear derailleur setting.

 Some photos from a quick run to the grocery story including a blossom 
 photo for Leah...spring is coming but it's still chilly around here!

 --Joyce

 [image: ClemIMG_0338.jpg]

 [image: ClemtireIMG_0340.jpg]

 [image: Clem_0341.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

[Sofie C]

Hi Joel, ok I'm looking at getting some odds and ends from blue lug, and 
shipping is the same for me if I were to add your Koma light - it would be 
$40. If you don't mind chipping in a little (not sure what's fair?) and you 
don't mind the wait, I can add it to my order and ship it to you at for 
whatever that costs  (I'm in Massachusetts). Let me know - I'd like to 
place my order this week!

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:10:09 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Soviet, ir was over $30 to ship a $30 light so it would depend on the 
> shipping for a larger order and if it then makes sense.  Logistics ok for 
> me.  
>
>
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> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:51 PM, Sofie C  wrote:
>
> I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a lot of 
> small things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but I find myself 
> adding more to my cart than what I need to justify the shipping cost I 
> would be interested in going in on a group order, but with two young kids 
> and a ft job I'm not in a position to handle the logistics of organizing 
> one...
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll get back to me 
>> and if not I’ll give them a call. I really appreciate it
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:33 PM, Justin  wrote:
>>
>> Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown PA. They 
>> are real sweethearts and get regular Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma 
>> lights stocked. https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
>> best
>> Justin
>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Shipping is very expensive. I have a hard tine justifying paying more 
>>> for shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get. If there are others 
>>> in this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping. 
>>>
>>> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a 
>>> front light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on flash 
>>> mode. My Koma lights seem to last longer. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: If a group of people may want to put an order in to Blue Lug

[Sofie C]

I actually thought of posting something similar -- there are a lot of small 
things I'm interested in getting from Blue Lug, but I find myself adding 
more to my cart than what I need to justify the shipping cost I would 
be interested in going in on a group order, but with two young kids and a 
ft job I'm not in a position to handle the logistics of organizing one...
On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:47:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Jared thank you I sent them a message so hopefully they’ll get back to me 
> and if not I’ll give them a call. I really appreciate it
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:33 PM, Justin  wrote:
>
> Joel, reach out to Jared or David at Hope Cyclery in Johnstown PA. They 
> are real sweethearts and get regular Blue Lug orders and keep the Koma 
> lights stocked. https://hopecyclery.bigcartel.com/product/koma-light-rear
> best
> Justin
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Shipping is very expensive.  I have a hard tine justifying paying more 
>> for shipping than for the 1 Koma light I want to get.  If there are others 
>> in this situation maybe we can put in a larger order and save on shipping.  
>>
>> I was using the Kiley lights but it seems they redesigned them and a 
>> front light only gives 2 hours now befor needing a recharged when on flash 
>> mode.  My Koma lights seem to last longer.  
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Simworks Obento Rack - $105

[Sofie C]

Sold, thank you!

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:

> Available again at updated price - Asking $95 net to me due to struts 
> being trimmed when they were installed on my Platypus (which measures 50 
> cm, 650b wheels). The two longer struts are 14" and the two shorter struts 
> are 7.5". Additional struts can be purchased at Sim Works for $20/pair. 
> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 12:49:39 PM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:
>
>> Pending payment - thank you for the interest!
>>
>> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:
>>
>>> Selling my Simworks obento rack in black - asking $105 net to me. Rack 
>>> is gently used; it was installed on my platypus 50 and used only a handful 
>>> of times, but has some nicks where the silver shows through the black. 
>>> Purchased in 2021 from Psychic Derailleur.
>>>
>>> Pictures here:
>>> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#026CdSQQB3rASXrYra0ezC4ZQ
>>>
>>> More info on rack at Sim Works:
>>> https://www.sim.works/products/obento-rack?variant=12537904758885
>>>
>>> Pick up near Boston area or will ship at cost.
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Simworks Obento Rack - $105

[Sofie C]

Available again at updated price - Asking $95 net to me due to struts being 
trimmed when they were installed on my Platypus (which measures 50 cm, 650b 
wheels). The two longer struts are 14" and the two shorter struts are 7.5". 
Additional struts can be purchased at Sim Works for $20/pair. 
On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 12:49:39 PM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:

> Pending payment - thank you for the interest!
>
> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:
>
>> Selling my Simworks obento rack in black - asking $105 net to me. Rack is 
>> gently used; it was installed on my platypus 50 and used only a handful of 
>> times, but has some nicks where the silver shows through the black. 
>> Purchased in 2021 from Psychic Derailleur.
>>
>> Pictures here:
>> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#026CdSQQB3rASXrYra0ezC4ZQ
>>
>> More info on rack at Sim Works:
>> https://www.sim.works/products/obento-rack?variant=12537904758885
>>
>> Pick up near Boston area or will ship at cost.
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Simworks Obento Rack - $105

[Sofie C]

Pending payment - thank you for the interest!

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:

> Selling my Simworks obento rack in black - asking $105 net to me. Rack is 
> gently used; it was installed on my platypus 50 and used only a handful of 
> times, but has some nicks where the silver shows through the black. 
> Purchased in 2021 from Psychic Derailleur.
>
> Pictures here:
> https://www.icloud.com/photos/#026CdSQQB3rASXrYra0ezC4ZQ
>
> More info on rack at Sim Works:
> https://www.sim.works/products/obento-rack?variant=12537904758885
>
> Pick up near Boston area or will ship at cost.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
>
>
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[RBW] FS Simworks Obento Rack - $105

[Sofie C]

Selling my Simworks obento rack in black - asking $105 net to me. Rack is 
gently used; it was installed on my platypus 50 and used only a handful of 
times, but has some nicks where the silver shows through the black. 
Purchased in 2021 from Psychic Derailleur.

Pictures here:
https://www.icloud.com/photos/#026CdSQQB3rASXrYra0ezC4ZQ

More info on rack at Sim Works:
https://www.sim.works/products/obento-rack?variant=12537904758885

Pick up near Boston area or will ship at cost.

Thanks for looking!



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[RBW] Re: What saddles are women using on their Riv mixtes?

[Sofie C]

Oops I meant that the Marie Blanque is "spendier" not speedier! It's 
beautiful in person too.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:32:08 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ariel is pretty happy with her Brooks B67s, but would opt out of springs 
> if doing it again.
>
> Jared
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:05:44 AM UTC-8 John Phillips wrote:
>
>> My wife like the B67 on her tiny 47cm Betty Foy and she uses the Nitto 
>> lugged seat post.
>>
>> A lot rides on figuring out how wide your sit bones actually are. Mine 
>> are wider than average so I'm not comfortable at all on B17's or C17's. I 
>> like the wide Berthoud saddles, Aubisque & Vars, because I don't get thigh 
>> rub but they're wide enough for my sit bones. 
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-8 Linda G wrote:
>>
>>> I am curious about this because I have tried different saddles on my 
>>> non-Riv (but similar) lugged steel Velo Orange mixte. What I am looking for 
>>> may not exist but someone may know of or be using a saddle I haven't run 
>>> across. I've tried a Brooks B17s, Terry Cite-x and an old Avocet women's 
>>> touring saddle. The honey brown B17s looks the best but is just not that 
>>> comfortable. The slippery finish and flared side skirts seem to be part of 
>>> the problem. I don't really want to punch holes in the skirts and try to 
>>> tie it together like some people do. The Cite-x is about the size of the 
>>> Brooks and quite comfortable but looks like an overstuffed sofa. I don't 
>>> mind the modern look of the Terry touring saddles I have on my other 2 
>>> bikes, including a Roadini, but I just don't like the look of the Cite-x. 
>>> The touring saddles are a little too narrow for the mixte. I'm not 
>>> interested in the Brookes with springs. If the Brooks Cambium came in a 
>>> short version I would try that. Normal length saddles feel unsafe for me 
>>> since I catch clothing like baggy shorts on the nose or it just makes 
>>> getting on and off the bike more difficult. Any experiences or thoughts?
>>> Linda
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What saddles are women using on their Riv mixtes?

[Sofie C]

On my platypus (soon to be on my Clem), I've tried the B17 regular, B17 
special, B67s, and have settled on the speedy but comfier to me Gilles 
Berthoud Marie Blanque. 

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 11:38:16 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> After having tried quite a number of different saddles over the years, my 
> wife has the Selle Italia Lady Gel flow saddle (in the 160mm wide L size) 
> on all her bikes: https://www.selleitalia.com/en/saddles/lady-gel-flow-s/.
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Pumpkin Platypus, Perchance?

[Sofie C]

Hello Heather, I just wanted to pop in here quickly to say hello and 
welcome! I adore your pumpkin platypus and the accessories you chose -- 
such wonderful taste! I'm a newbie here as well, having just purchased a 
lime 50 cm platypus when it popped up this fall on Riv's garage sale. I had 
been an admirer for about a decade and finally decided to take a chance on 
a Riv without ever riding one -- and it is just an unbelievably wonderful 
bike. This folks on this forum, especially the #rivsisters like Leah and 
Roberta, have been so warm, welcoming, and wonderfully supportive. So much 
so that I also have a new Clem Smith Jr. getting a dyno hub at my local 
bike shop. Hope to see you 'round here, and please share all the pics!

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 3:25:19 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Leah and Heather,
>
> The similarities in your "how I got to Rivendell" stories are fascinating 
> to me. I think it's a testament to the Riv vibe in general that your paths 
> ended there, and specifically on mixtes. 
>
> When the Glorius and Wilbury appeared in the mid-'00s, shortly followed by 
> the lower-cost and easier to manufacture Betty Foy, I don't think any of us 
> (or Riv) saw mixtes/step-throughs (droptube!) becoming a mainstream style 
> in the market that everyone would ride. Now we have Cheviot and Platypus 
> and Clem L and the Bike Snob guy rides a Platy. And there's my custom (I 
> shout myself out here)! It's a whole new world! 
>
> Heather your bikes are so rad! I dig the Albastache on your Platy, a bar I 
> can't ride to save my life but they're SO cool. It's been great fun to read 
> your story, welcome to the fray! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 11:41:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh Heather, we really are sisters. I have SUCH a similar story - never 
>> having a “nice” bike until I found Rivendell. Never fitting in with any 
>> group or class of rider and having to find my own way. I still have anxiety 
>> going into new bike shops thinking that they’ll laugh me out of the 
>> building or label me in some way or not believe I’m a “real” rider. I so, 
>> so empathize and thank you for telling us how you found your way. This is 
>> why the RivSisterhood is so important to me; we have so much to share with 
>> each other; it can be rough out there in the biking world, and it’s nice to 
>> have a supportive, warm group of women in your corner. I am here cheering 
>> for you from the woods of Michigan, loving your stories and adoring your 
>> bikes! Same for the rest of my lovely sisters out there! (Guys, I love you, 
>> too, but it’s just different with the Sisters.)
>>
>> Now, speaking of the sisterhood, do you know about Pam Murray? She’s the 
>> famous Betty Foy rider (that bike predates your Cheviot and our Platypuses) 
>> with 60k+ miles and counting. She teaches Cycle Savvy in Charlotte, which 
>> is 130 miles from Asheville. I’d give my left rose-anodized brake lever to 
>> meet her in person, and here you are in her backyard! You should meet. 
>> Which makes me think: we need a Riv Sister Meet Up. I’d love to meet you 
>> girl in real life and hug your necks and kiss your bikes.
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to tell your story and share your bikes. I 
>> have relished every bit of it. Keep posting!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Heather Hayes  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> *Long story short, here’s photos of my Cheviot!*
>>
>>
>> If you don't like lengthy, boring coming-of-age stories about bike 
>> riding, you've been warned to turn back now or skip ahead to the pictures 
>> below. :) But if you do, I'll share mine. The journey to discovering 
>> Rivendell and this beautiful Cheviot was a *completely* unexpected one…
>>
>>
>> Riding my bike as a kid was one of my favorite pastimes, from the hot 
>> pink Huffy with glittery tinsel streamers and a rose-patterned banana seat, 
>> to a lemon yellow beach cruiser with a saddle the size of a movie theatre 
>> recliner and playing cards clipped to the spokes with wooden clothespins. 
>> In college I “upgraded” the cruiser to a super cheap, maliciously-magenta 
>> Magna from Wal-mart. I biked to all my classes until someone cut the chain 
>> on the front porch of my dodgy neighborhood and stole my sweet ride. Its 
>> replacement was another Big Box cheapie, which got me where I needed to go 
>> until moving from fairly-flat Raleigh to the mountains of Asheville, where 
>> I couldn’t even make it up the first hill outside my front door on my 
>> single speed sarcophagus of a bike. It was relegated to the basement and 
>> started its sad new hobby of collecting dust.
>>
>>
>> Fast-forward 15 years. I hear about this magical place (beyond Middle 
>> Earth) called Rivendell from cycling-enthusiast friends. But I couldn't be 
>> a REAL cyclist, I'd be laughed off the road! Then I read JUST RIDE. Just 
>> @&!%ing ride!!! What an amazing book, outlook, philosophy. Ride like you’re 
>> a kid again. 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Sofie C]

Love this Rivendell history, thanks so much for putting this together and 
sharing!

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Ryan, I thought Riv was building customs from the begining. I had a 96 
> Road that was designed for 700 x 28 and had cantilever brakes The original 
> owner,who I bought it from, spoke of it as a custom build Steve
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 8:54 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  
>> and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
>> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and 
>> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 
>> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one 
>> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  
>> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette 
>> started. 2005 or so?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
>>> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
>>> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this 
>>> thing. 
>>>
>>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
>>> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
>>> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back 
>>> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
>>> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
>>> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>>>
>>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
>>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
>>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
 between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
 Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's 
 ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
 custom 
 is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.  

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice work, Jason!
>
> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
> a 
> name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>
> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
> only ever seen two of them. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many 
>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>> the 
>> MIT batch rolled in?  
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways 
>>> to go 
>>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited 
>>> to 
>>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most 
>>> part, 
>>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>>>
>>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
>>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
>>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain 
>>> (Expedition? 
>>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the 
>>> Road 
>>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>>>
>>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
>>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I 
>>> welcome 
>>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
>>> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
>>> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
>>> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not 
>>> sure 
>>> yet, depends how bored I get this 

[RBW] Re: Great Blue Homers

[Sofie C]

I'm so tempted. But with the updated pbh chart, I think I'm just short of 
fitting smallest size. Good thing I have my platy and clem on the way...
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Homer Sale is live, 15 minutes in and all sizes are still available.  
> There are 25 in 58cm, which is the size I think I'd buy if I wanted a fancy 
> albastache country bike.  Are you buying one?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: FS or FT: Losco Bars, Brooks saddles

[Sofie C]

Loscos pending :-)

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 Sofie C wrote:

> -Beautiful Nitto Losco bars for sale for $90 (buyer pays shipping from 
> Massachusetts -- I can ship after the Thanksgiving holiday). Used only a 
> handful of times and only selling because I bought Leah's Boscos, which are 
> a better fit for me. These came on my platypus web special so I'll post 
> pics as soon as I strip the other side of the bar tape tonight (all the 
> tears!). I'd also consider trading for Billie Bars or try me on cool pedals 
> for my Clem on the way.
>
> Also selling or willing to trade for B17s (short), both used a handful of 
> times, not yet broken in; buyer pays shipping:
>
> -B17 Special Black - $125
> -B67s (short) Honey - (note this model has stiffer leather than the honey 
> leather on my b17 honey) - $100
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[RBW] FS or FT: Losco Bars, Brooks saddles

[Sofie C]

-Beautiful Nitto Losco bars for sale for $90 (buyer pays shipping from 
Massachusetts -- I can ship after the Thanksgiving holiday). Used only a 
handful of times and only selling because I bought Leah's Boscos, which are 
a better fit for me. These came on my platypus web special so I'll post 
pics as soon as I strip the other side of the bar tape tonight (all the 
tears!). I'd also consider trading for Billie Bars or try me on cool pedals 
for my Clem on the way.

Also selling or willing to trade for B17s (short), both used a handful of 
times, not yet broken in; buyer pays shipping:

-B17 Special Black - $125
-B67s (short) Honey - (note this model has stiffer leather than the honey 
leather on my b17 honey) - $100

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[RBW] Re: Need inspiration: Show me your wrapped handlebars, please?

[Sofie C]

Laing, what a beautiful job! I am impressed. Was it difficult to do 
yourself?

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 8:50:20 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> My two tone blue on drops - my first attempt at harlequin wrapping. Not 
> the best picture, but the only one that I have.
>
> [image: IMG_1754 (2).JPG]
> Laing
>
> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 8:39:40 AM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've enjoyed the newbaum cotton wrapped handlebars on my platy so much 
>> that I am going get them on my riv blue clem! Anyone care to share pics of 
>> yours? Looking for some color inspo (i.e. wavering between something 
>> elegant and subdued like dark blue, grey, or brown -- to something more 
>> striking like orange or even hot pink).
>
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[RBW] Need inspiration: Show me your wrapped handlebars, please?

[Sofie C]

I've enjoyed the newbaum cotton wrapped handlebars on my platy so much that 
I am going get them on my riv blue clem! Anyone care to share pics of 
yours? Looking for some color inspo (i.e. wavering between something 
elegant and subdued like dark blue, grey, or brown -- to something more 
striking like orange or even hot pink).

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[RBW] Re: Help me justify a Clem when I have a Platy...?

[Sofie C]

Doug, that formula is beginning to make perfect sense to me :-).

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 3:04:57 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> The right number of bicycles to own is n+1 with n being the number you 
> currently own. :-)
> Doug
>
> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 2:48:43 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Joe, Ray, and Jason, thank you so much for weighing in. I am going for 
>> it, since I'm not sure when I'll next have the opportunity (and if I'm 
>> finding that I'm neglecting one of the bikes, I'm sure I can find a good 
>> second home!). I think I'll keep my platypus reserved for joy rides  on 
>> roads and the clem for errands, occasional off roads. 
>>
>> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 1:58:46 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> _Leah Peterson enters the chat_
>>>
>>> I echo what others have said - the Clem and Platy are pretty ideal 
>>> companion bikes since the Clem makes a great "utility" bike which frees the 
>>> Platy up to not need to accommodate the same cargo, nor be locked up for 
>>> those errands etc.  Provided, of course, you would be using bikes for both 
>>> errands and for joy rides.  The only thing I'll say is that a $300 Peugeot 
>>> mixte would do the same job as a $2000 Clem, more or less, but if you can 
>>> afford to have such a nice everyday bike, absolutely do it! Even expensive 
>>> bikes are such good value in the grand scheme.  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 21 October 2021 at 18:22:15 UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 Sofia,
 I bought a Clem frame and have been riding it for a couple 
 months, it’s one of the best utility bikes I’ve owned. 
 I have 60mm tires on it now and it will easily fit 70s. 

 I lucked into being on the waiting list for a Platypus and recently 
 built it up. 
 It easily fits 55mm tires. 
 I’ve grappled with the the same question. 
 I thought I would give the Clem to my niece but she doesn’t think a 
 nice bike is justifiable.(crazy, right). 

 So my Clem will be a more heavy duty utility bike to carry a load and 
 have big fat tires and the Platypus will be a more elegant lighter build.  
 So if you’re looking for a little nudge from the devil on your 
 shoulder….d it

 Ray

 On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 1:09:20 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Of course! If you'll ride both (yes) and one will be built up for a 
> slightly different mission (probably) then I see no reason why not. In 
> fact 
> I'm currently down to one Riv and it's just not right! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:48:45 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My 50cm olive lime web special Platypus arrived about a week ago and 
>> I am in love. Well, the Riv gods must be smiling upon me because now I 
>> have 
>> the chance to buy a blue 45 Clem. Can I justify owning both? Leah, my 
>> #rivsister/#rivmentor, has already kindly weighed in with her thoughts 
>> -- 
>> and I would love to hear other opinions as well.
>>
>> -Sofie
>>
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[RBW] Re: Help me justify a Clem when I have a Platy...?

[Sofie C]

Joe, Ray, and Jason, thank you so much for weighing in. I am going for it, 
since I'm not sure when I'll next have the opportunity (and if I'm finding 
that I'm neglecting one of the bikes, I'm sure I can find a good second 
home!). I think I'll keep my platypus reserved for joy rides  on roads and 
the clem for errands, occasional off roads. 

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 1:58:46 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> _Leah Peterson enters the chat_
>
> I echo what others have said - the Clem and Platy are pretty ideal 
> companion bikes since the Clem makes a great "utility" bike which frees the 
> Platy up to not need to accommodate the same cargo, nor be locked up for 
> those errands etc.  Provided, of course, you would be using bikes for both 
> errands and for joy rides.  The only thing I'll say is that a $300 Peugeot 
> mixte would do the same job as a $2000 Clem, more or less, but if you can 
> afford to have such a nice everyday bike, absolutely do it! Even expensive 
> bikes are such good value in the grand scheme.  
>
> On Thursday, 21 October 2021 at 18:22:15 UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Sofia,
>> I bought a Clem frame and have been riding it for a couple 
>> months, it’s one of the best utility bikes I’ve owned. 
>> I have 60mm tires on it now and it will easily fit 70s. 
>>
>> I lucked into being on the waiting list for a Platypus and recently built 
>> it up. 
>> It easily fits 55mm tires. 
>> I’ve grappled with the the same question. 
>> I thought I would give the Clem to my niece but she doesn’t think a nice 
>> bike is justifiable.(crazy, right). 
>>
>> So my Clem will be a more heavy duty utility bike to carry a load and 
>> have big fat tires and the Platypus will be a more elegant lighter build.  
>> So if you’re looking for a little nudge from the devil on your 
>> shoulder….d it
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 1:09:20 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Of course! If you'll ride both (yes) and one will be built up for a 
>>> slightly different mission (probably) then I see no reason why not. In fact 
>>> I'm currently down to one Riv and it's just not right! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:48:45 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My 50cm olive lime web special Platypus arrived about a week ago and I 
 am in love. Well, the Riv gods must be smiling upon me because now I have 
 the chance to buy a blue 45 Clem. Can I justify owning both? Leah, my 
 #rivsister/#rivmentor, has already kindly weighed in with her thoughts -- 
 and I would love to hear other opinions as well.

 -Sofie

>>>

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[RBW] Help me justify a Clem when I have a Platy...?

[Sofie C]

My 50cm olive lime web special Platypus arrived about a week ago and I am 
in love. Well, the Riv gods must be smiling upon me because now I have the 
chance to buy a blue 45 Clem. Can I justify owning both? Leah, my 
#rivsister/#rivmentor, has already kindly weighed in with her thoughts -- 
and I would love to hear other opinions as well.

-Sofie

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[RBW] Re: WTB: rack for platypus

[Sofie C]

Thank you to everyone who weighed in and helped me! I ended up going with 
the sim works obento. Haven't installed it yet but will be happy to report 
back when I do and have had some experience with it :-)

On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 11:46:48 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> I had thought the Pelago Rasket would be a nice rack/basket to try. It's 
> more or less what I make for myself using a Wald basket, rack struts and 
> some aluminum bar stock.
>
> There was a nice review of the Rasket on the Radivist not too long ago...
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2020/04/pelagos-rasket-is-a-basket-and-a-rack-in-one-sturdy-package/
>
> JohnS
>
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 2:55:40 AM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:
>
>> I've been looking at the Simworks Obento rack, also made by Nitto. 
>> Theoretically available in silver or black but rare right now.
>> Here's a picture of one with Wald basket: 
>> https://thepsychicderailleur.com/product/sim-works-obento-rack/
>> (He has them in black)
>> More svelte and about $100 less than the RBW rack (which I have on my 
>> Appaloosa and it is pretty big).
>> For silver, ...you'll have to wait for them to make more  
>> Best,
>> David Lipsky
>> Berkeley, CA
>> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi friends, I'm looking for a rack that's suitable for my size 50 
>>> platypus, which will be here on Tuesday! I'm especially interested in the 
>>> Rivendell nitto rack that's currently out of stock, but I'm open to others. 
>>> TIA!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: rack for platypus

[Sofie C]

DRW - thank you for the recommendation - those are beautiful, indeed. 
Contemplating.

On the Pelago - also checking out that option, thank you for recommending 
it! I should have also mentioned that I want to be able to support a Wald 
137...

Mike, thank you for sharing the Velo Orange - it's very handsome. Also 
contemplating...! I may message you a few questions if you don't mind...

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 2:46:27 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Northwest Bicycles sells several versions and sized of of the Pelago 
> Commuter racks.  In silver and black. Aluminum and stainless steal.
>
>
> https://northwestbicycle.com/pages/search-results-page?q=pelago
>
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:33:46 AM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> I have one of these that is collecting dust in my interior space, a VO 
>> porteur rack with the fence piece
>> Velo Orange Porteur Rack (velo-orange.com) 
>> 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:25:08 AM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> I just removed a Pelago commuter rack from a bike I sold (1990 
>>> Stumpjumper). It was a handsome, sturdy rack with a lot of mounting 
>>> options. Unfortunately it was designated for use on my beater bike, and 
>>> didn’t work with the canti brake cable and straight bladed fork on the new 
>>> replacement beater bike. I got a “Verve” brand front rack for that bike. 
>>> Seems a lot like the VO “constructeur” rack. 
>>>
>>> Pelago:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 10:28, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen a Pelago rack in the wild? They come in three widths 
>>> made from stainless or aluminum.  The medium size seems like a good 
>>> compromise between a full-sized pass-and-stow and a small bag-support type 
>>> rack.   In Europe they have lowrider mounts for them, even.  
>>>
>>> https://pelagobicycles.com/commuter-front-rack/
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Sofie C]

DRW - thank you for the recommendation - those are beautiful, indeed. 
Contemplating.

On the Pelago - also checking out that option, thank you for recommending 
it! I should have also mentioned that I want to be able to support a Wald 
137...

Mike, thank you for sharing the Velo Orange - it's very handsome. Also 
contemplating...!


On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:48:59 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> This reminds me of the Santa Claus tracking kids do at Christmas time. 
> HoHoHo Merry Platypus!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 2:17:00 PM UTC-5 Chris in NZ wrote:
>
>>
>> I’ve been keeping an eye on it (I’m a tracking obsessive). Previously at 
>> anchor and on the live map it was outside the port waiting. 
>>
>> It is now showing as “moored” and the live map shows it alongside.. 
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 8:03:24 AM UTC+13 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes! It has been at anchor for days now. I don’t know if that means they 
>>> are anchored in the bay awaiting their turn to be unloaded or if they are 
>>> docked and unloading now. But, while we wait, here’s a Unicorn Platypus, 
>>> which now lives on the raspberry Platy. I think it’s fitting since the 
>>> first shipment of Platypuses were ferried to American shores by a container 
>>> ship called The Unicorn!
>>>
>>> I hope everyone is filling out Tom’s spreadsheet - so fun!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Soma Fab 15% Off Everything Ends Today

[Sofie C]

Wow thank you, Paul! (goes shopping...)

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:55:27 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have one of the Cardiff saddles but with minor use and no useful Brooks 
> comparison. Mine wasn't quite assembled right and I had to bend one of the 
> parts into place. The light brown is a nice honey color. I still haven't 
> found the saddle "for me" so it's a out as good as any other I've tried. 
>
> Pat in DC
>
> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I was looking at the saddles that Soma offers and saw the Cardiff Harlech 
>> leather saddle. Does anyone here have experience with these especially in 
>> comparison with a Brooks saddle?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:00:59 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know! Thanks Paul.
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, GA
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:23:55 AM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>
 Meant to forward this info when it first hit, but forgot. No 
 affilliation.

 Soma's got 15% off everything in-store, ends today.

 http://secure.campaigner.com/csb/Public/show/4rbx-2gdgh4--wkx7s-1r2oa6i8

 "Sale Ends 10/11/21 Must use Promo Code "siskiyou15" for discount."  

 I was waiting/hoping for one of these before buying a new Champs d'etc 
 fork, but that horse left the barn back in June/July.

 Just a reminder to shop responsibly... 

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: rack for platypus

[Sofie C]

(Oops I think I just replied to Leah so trying this again...lol). Doug 
thank you for inquiring, and Leah, thank you for looking out for me! This 
is the rack that I'm coveting (sold out everywhere):
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/a7s5klhjwe-oith-lk5465a

But I'm open to considering other racks that can support a Wald basket. 
Right now I have the ocean air cycles erlen bag support for my zeitgeist 
bag.

Sofiya

On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 9:14:40 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> In case Sofiya doesn’t see this for a bit, I think she wants the Nitto 
> Basket Rack for the front end of her new Platypus. We were chatting the IG 
> DMs, so I’m in the know! Someone please sell her one 
>
> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 9:55:58 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>
>> What model are you wanting?  Front or rear?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi friends, I'm looking for a rack that's suitable for my size 50 
>>> platypus, which will be here on Tuesday! I'm especially interested in the 
>>> Rivendell nitto rack that's currently out of stock, but I'm open to others. 
>>> TIA!
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: rack for platypus

[Sofie C]

Hi friends, I'm looking for a rack that's suitable for my size 50 platypus, 
which will be here on Tuesday! I'm especially interested in the Rivendell 
nitto rack that's currently out of stock, but I'm open to others. TIA!

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Sofie C]

Thank you for the warm welcome here, and very happy to be your #RivSister! 
I will happily post photos when my platy arrives! I'm not sure how long the 
wait will be -- I am in Massachusetts outside of Boston...I'm willing to 
wait... I still can't believe that I was lucky enough to nab this beauty!

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 5:19:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I just got home from work and realized we got a new #RivSister! Oh, how 
> wonderful that you scored a Platy, Sofie. I really couldn’t be more excited 
> for you. Please, please, please delight us with your write up and photos 
> when the bike gets to you. How long before you expect to have it? 
>
> Thanks so much for chiming in. What a pleasure!
> #RivSisters,
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Sofie C  wrote:
>
> Hello, new here, but I'm now the proud owner of the 50 cm lime olive 
> Platypus that was just listed on web special! I had been preparing to try 
> my luck at the Clem complete restock, but happened to be looking at my 
> email when the newsletter came through last night, and I went for it. This 
> is my first Riv, after being a long time admirer. I'm so silly excited I 
> can hardly stand it!
>
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-09-24 at 8.00.16 PM.png]
>
> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 1:58:27 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha! I’d be honored, but I think it unlikely. But “Belle Bars” have a nice 
>> ring to them… I wouldn’t object! 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 10:20 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>> I think from the last Riv post that there is a handlebar soon to be 
>> known more as a Platy or Leah bar. I mean really, Billie who?
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 7:01:31 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> It’s the Bike For All Reasons. The Bike of All Time.
>>>
>>> . It’s a gravel Platy. An errand Platy. A nighttime getaway Platy.
>>>
>>> What kind of Platypus to you have?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2021, at 7:06 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah wrote: "Oh my word. You’re right..."
>>>
>>>
>>> A modified (from someone's FB repost) list of the the three hardest 
>>> things to say:
>>>
>>>
>>>1. I was wrong.
>>>2. I need help.
>>>3. Yes, that does make you look fat. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 9:35:20 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh my word. You’re right - I completely missed this. A secret Platypus!
>>>>
>>>> The only Platys I know of that deviated from the production run colors 
>>>> were the samples, all of which we have seen. An orange, a silver and a 
>>>> bronzey green.  I don’t know what this root beer one is all about but I’m 
>>>> going to try and find out.
>>>> L 
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> I noticed this bronze-cola Platypus in this week's Blahg. What is the 
>>>> deal?
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> I 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 10:20:06 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rode the Platy late this afternoon, temperatures were hitting the 
>>>>> triple digits, the wind out of the South felt like you'd opened the oven 
>>>>> door to check on the pie and I was soaked through with sweat. At one 
>>>>> point 
>>>>> I looked down & saw that curly heart cut in the head tube lug and it made 
>>>>> me smile for the rest of the ride.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's all there is to this story but I wanted to share anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:21:30 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Emily, this is so cool 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Platypus has earned my cat’s approval-she sleeps under it all the 
>>>>>>> time!
>>>>>