[RBW] Re: Converting a T1000 into an Atlantis

[Will M]

Hey y'all.  Wanted to share that for this T1000's "silver anniversary," I 
gave her a restoration sourced from the Rivendell catalog.  She'll never be 
an Atlantis, but she's even closer now.  A pic:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/53976144686/

Here's what's new:

   - Rich Lesnick-built Velocity Dyad wheels (RBW/Silver 135mm rear hub, 
   SON dynamo front hub) 
   - Technomic stem + 48cm Noodles (and Newbaum's white cloth + Zissner's 
   amber shellac + twine finish).
   - Silver2 bar-end shifters.
   - Edelux II upside down light + SON rear light 
   - Deore "Shadow" rear derailer + XT 11-34t 9-speed cassette
   - B17 Champion Special with copper rails (from my 2004 Riv Ram)
   - M12 front rack
   - Crane brass bell
   - (More part specs in the Flickr image description)

The bike pictured here with pump weighed in at 30.2 lbs.   

I removed the Albastaches and went back to drops.  More on that in another 
thread <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/dmrOBmIrdI4>.

Cheers,
Will

On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Beautiful green paint.  Been having fun looking through your Flickr 
> albums.  Bikes and Leica's, whats not to love.
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 2:38:20 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Mackenzy, 
>>
>> I have this same soft spot, especially for the old T1000 and 700. This 
>> one is amazing! 
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 2:24:46 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! I have a soft spot for old Cannondales. Generally they seem to be 
>>> "sported out" aesthetically which isn't my thing. I am amazed at how slick 
>>> and classy it looks built up rivendell-esque. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:48:48 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I could never keep the paint on any of my bikes that immaculate! My new 
>>>> Roadini already has a paint chipped off the headtube (dunno how!). My 
>>>> Co-Motion Periscope Trident @ 12,000 miles has so many patched paint areas 
>>>> that there's no spot that hasn't been patched up. It's all beausage but 
>>>> I'm 
>>>> guessing if I break my Ti frame my replacement for it better be Stainless 
>>>> steel or something else that doesn't need paint! Good thing I live in 
>>>> California where it doesn't rain (and when it does I ride Ti or just live 
>>>> with the idea that the triplet will rust sooner or later and it's not a 
>>>> "forever bike" anyway --- the kids will eventually grow out of it!)
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:39:47 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all.  
>>>>>
>>>>> S.  If you listen carefully you can hear my 1990s Cannondale 
>>>>> T1000 whisper, "I wish I were an Atlantis!"  How many parts you can spot 
>>>>> from the Riv catalog in this recent pic? 
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52412267528
>>>>>
>>>>> Answers:
>>>>>
>>>>>- Cockpit: Tallux stem, Albastache bars, Dia-Compe long-pull 
>>>>>levers*
>>>>>- Silver2 friction bar-end shifter (right)#
>>>>>- Downtube friction shifter (left)#
>>>>>- Jack Brown tires
>>>>>- SKS 45mm fenders
>>>>>- Brooks Flyer Special saddle
>>>>>- Sugino XD2 24/36/46 triple crank (and IRD bottom bracket)
>>>>>- Nitto 2-strut top rack + Wald 139 basket**
>>>>>- Nitto Big Back Rack ("large"; 40-pound capacity!)
>>>>>- Busch & Müller Secula battery light 
>>>>>- King water bottle cages
>>>>>
>>>>> Only 5 original parts remain: generic linear-pull brakes, 105 headset, 
>>>>> XT & 105 derailleurs, RSX hubs,## and the CAAD2 Touring frameset.  Got 
>>>>> Motolites and a rapid rise in my sights, when the time comes.   And any 
>>>>> old 
>>>>> 61cm Atlantis if the aluminum frame cracks. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Backstory: In the 1990s with time for extended self-supported tours, 
>>>>> but no dough for the dream bike (Atlantis), I scraped up enough for this 
>>>>> US-made Cannondale T1000.  Parts that wore out over the subsequent 
>>>>> quarter 
>>>>> century were always replaced from the Riv catalog, slowly turning the 
>&

[RBW] Re: No love for the Albastache?

[Will M]

Revivin' an ol' thread!

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread because it was about the only 
"review" 2-3 years ago when I was considering the Albastache.

Some new reviews out:  On the "love" vs. "no love" question, did you see 
that Zack Gallardo recently posted a video review with urban/fixie street 
riding in Taichung, Taiwan using his Alba bars sans levers?  Good review of 
the Alba's pros/cons from the perspective of a strong/young cyclist (listen 
to "I could definitely do a century on these bars, but..." at time 5:00): 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GhnUxfTakA

Also recently: Russ/PathLessPedaled found the Alba worked better for him 
after he swapped out the aero levers for VO mtn brake levers: 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1sVCUMy6rI.  I think I'd do this for my 
next commuter/city build. 

In my case, I tried the Albastache for the last 2 years on my expedition 
touring bike 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52412267528/in/album-72157607836895923/>.
 
 For the prior 25 years, the bike had drop bars (tops same height as 
saddle).  At first, I liked the Alba's upright position, but then it 
started feeling "too upright" (half the hand hand positions were simply too 
far back).  On a 63cm touring frame with 59cm top tube, the Albas made we 
want a longer top tube (like the modern Rivs) OR more seatpost setback OR 
more than 80mm reach in the Tallux stem.  Mostly, I missed my drop 
handlebars, for instance, in all-day headwinds in flat eastern-shore 
Maryland, or, say, when you want to PULL HARD on the brake hoods for 
hammering/sprinting/climbing (I never did figure out how to pull hard on 
these bars).  

I put 48cm Noodles on the bike last month 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/53976144686/in/dateposted-public/> 
and... a... that's better.  Just me of course.

No numbness or anything like that.  In fact, I like the upright riding 
position and will use them on my next city/commuter build.With Russ's 
mtn brake lever trick.

Cheers,
Will M

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 9:43:51 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:

> One more... prompted by Will's email comment today of "properly set up 
> Albastache bars" for long road rides. I keep wondering about best brake 
> placement on these bars. In your opinion, does that mean brake levers are 
> approximately tangent to the same plane, as in Will's picture of the bike 
> they're sending to Philly bike expo? Or do your brakes fall further inside 
> (closer to stem) or outside?
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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Re: [RBW] Advantages of triple drivetrains (VO post)

[Will M]

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks!  

I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never looked 
back.  (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer is 
brilliant).  And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the 
44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting 
"cargo" (kids) in a city.  I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the analog 
Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation 
for throwing chains under load.  Never understood why. 

@ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup.  Love! Have you seen John Schubert's 
article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch 
"?
 
(Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002)  My bucket list includes a 1983 
Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-)  

Cheers,
Will 
NYC

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 
> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most 
> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner  wrote:
>
>> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette matched 
>> to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration right there. 
>> Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice is 11 
>> speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for me 
>> comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is really 
>> scratching an itch for me though! 
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; I 
>>> end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) and 
>>> for these bikes I like it fine.
>>>
>>> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider 
>>> range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up with 
>>> a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general use. 
>>> The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front shifts 
>>> only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with a 
>>> bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets you 
>>> use a standard 110 double crank.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding 
 with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I 
 frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear 
 range with 24-34-44  or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large rear 
 sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my front 
 ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple 
 cranks 
 look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or aesthetic 
 standpoint. 

 I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are 
 driven by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was once 
 virtue becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. 

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes 
> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying 
> around 
> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or 
> steep hills. When home in central  New Hampshire many of my favorite 
> roads 
> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear.
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
>> I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. 
>> Maybe even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell 
>> chainring guard. 
>>
>> I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: 
>> there was a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in Ketchum that read, 
>> "if 
>> you ain't hikin', you ain't mountain bikin'". If it gets that low, I 
>> appreciate the change in blood circulation by just walking those few 
>> minutes. 
>>
>> - Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, 
>> Woodstown NJ wrote:
>>
>>> Bill L stated:   " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big 
>>> ring before going to a triple"
>>>
>>> Question to Bill:   Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting 
>>> the chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ???
>>>
>>> PS  I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high gear.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>

[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

[Will M]

Mike, I live a little south of midtown; happy to meet up and ride around 
the island while you are here.  Happy yo tour guide... some GREAT rides in 
the area, short or long.  

Ride itself: indeed a rite of passage.  Pedaling up Avenue of the Americas 
with 32,000 other cyclists... nuthin' like it.  But the bottlenecks created 
by 32,000 cyclists; oh the bottlenecks!  Check out the crowd on the BQE in 
2008: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/2468043524/in/datetaken-public/

And the backlog in midtown due to the bottleneck/funnel into Central 
Park: https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/2467209897/in/datetaken-public/ 

Lately, I participate in NYC's advocacy organization Transportation 
Alternatives who host 50 and 100-mile rides.  Same urban cycling, smaller 
crowds, better cause.  

Cheers.  --Will  

PS My Ram on a rainy (!) 5-boro tour a few years back: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/3503640659  

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 5:17:42 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> My wife and I did it a number of years ago (still 30,000 riders). It is an 
> amazing roll through a city you never get to see in this way, even if 
> you've ridden there before because you are able to look around which I 
> couldn't when riding around NYC when I was there by myself with a bike. 
>
> Our approach was to park on Staten Island, take the ferry over  for the 
> start. We were in the back half of the start after securing the rental bike 
> my wife opted for. Rest and refreshment stops were packed with our 29,998 
> friends each time we stopped. The Gowanus Expressway to Verrazano Park and 
> the bridge was hot and both of use were out of water. By the time we got 
> off the elevated highway and saw a food truck selling Gatorade we were 
> pretty needy and the baseball stadium price for the 12 oz bottles was worth 
> every penny. 
>
> The Verrazano Narrows Bridge on a bike is worth any hardship you endure on 
> this ride. There will be refreshments, entertainment and food at the Staten 
> Island afterparty. Many riders will rest, recharge and socialize before 
> taking the ferries back over to Manhattan. I have no recs for whether to 
> enjoy the music food and community or get on the ferr quickly. We just rode 
> to the rent bike return site, loaded my bike in the car and faced 
> essentially no traffic as we left the island towards Newark, NJ and home. 
>
> Fun ride, take pictures, report back.
> [image: 0B26E98E-F3A4-4191-AF97-7C4A40824DE4_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
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> 8A3A12C3-0476-4C23-BA7F-FA59F5208F8E_1_105_c.jpeg]
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
>> decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
>> https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
>> Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
>> I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.
>>
>> This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I 
>> won't be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be 
>> there for a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
>> I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
>> where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.
>>
>> Anyone else here doing the ride?
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

[Will M]

@Josh: Rich Lesnick built up a Velocity Dyad rim around a Silver 135mm hub 
for me in January or February this year.  No mention at all about the hub 
being an endangered species, and we talked at length.  (Assume supply 
woes?)  

@Keith: Concur about Rich being "really fun" to work with... and this 
Google group is filled with anecdotes over the last 15 years attesting to 
the robustness of his wheel builds.  He built a 32-spoke Mavic Open Pro 
wheel for me that I have been unable to knock out of true in over a decade 
(and 1000s of miles of pavement).  

Will M

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 1:14:41 PM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:

> I had some wheels built earlier this year with a Son front and a Silver 
> rear hub. 
>
> I think they might just be out of stock? 🤞
>
> I’ve been really happy it.
>
> (Rich was really fun to work with btw)
>
> k.
>
> On Aug 11, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I don't remember what happened to them or why they were discontinued. I 
> know that not too too long ago RIch had some stock that he would use on 
> some of his build to order stuff if you wanted but it would have to be done 
> through him AND I have no idea if they still exist. No 40 but they did come 
> in 36 for the rear.
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:33:20 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Also, oddly enough Silver hubs are gone from the Riv site. Anyone know 
>> the story there? 
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Victor. 
>>>
>>> Johnny, 
>>> I've had loads of Deore hubs and currently have them on my Atlantis 
>>> wheel set. They are a good option just not on the same level as Onyx or 
>>> White Ind.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 10:27:00 AM UTC-4 vhans...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gravy Wheels, 
>>>>
>>>> King Kog or '
>>>>
>>>> Dustinthewind bicycle repair. 
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 7:04 AM Johnny Alien  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know any midwest wheelbuilders to suggest but I can comment on 
>>>>> the rear hub. I got some wheels build by Rich at Rivendell and we paired 
>>>>> the Deore hubs with the Cliffhangers. He likes the hubs a bunch and they 
>>>>> have been great for me. Very quiet. No need to spend a ton to get a 
>>>>> really 
>>>>> well made quiet hub.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:13:50 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
>>>>>> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how 
>>>>>> I landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I 
>>>>>> should 
>>>>>> be looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer 
>>>>>> sending business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking 
>>>>>> I'll do velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. 
>>>>>> The 
>>>>>> rear is not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not 
>>>>>> many 
>>>>>> options in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent 
>>>>>> hub 
>>>>>> on my crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 
>>>>>> 40 
>>>>>> as I'm a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry 
>>>>>> (loud 
>>>>>> as they come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Comfy aluminum frames?

[Will M]

Alan, Jan Heine's 2021 book, *All Road Bicycle Revolution*, has some good 
reading on this topic ("characteristics of a great frame can be obtained 
from all materials"; p. 174) that aligns with Sheldon Brown's writing from 
20 years ago <https://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-materials.html> ("the 
reality is that you can make a good bike frame out of any of these metals, 
with any desired riding qualities, by selecting appropriate tubing 
diameters, wall thicknesses and frame geometry").  They both argue that the 
"feel" of a frame is influenced more by frame design than by the material 
itself. 

This doesn't answer your question.  :-)

I'm not sure I have an answer.  All I know is that my aluminum Yuba Sweet 
Curry cargo bike is the stiffest thing on the planet (to give 300-lb cargo 
capacity; look at all the aluminum trusses 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/5090285/in/album-72157718795961798/>
!).  

And that I agree with Matthias: my "forever bike" is also a C'dale 
adventure touring bike (this T1000 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52412267528>; the aluminum CAAD2 
touring frame) that turns 25 in December.  I had posted previously 
<https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/D-pKAbwxr4U/m/9hf6sGA0AgAJ> 
about how I am slowly turning it into an Atlantis, having drunk too much 
Kool-Aid in Walnut Creek.  But I must say that the T1000 rides better than 
any RBW bike that I've owned.  Blasphemy, but there it is.  Something about 
its chromoly fork's geometry gives it magical handling.  If only it had the 
Atlantis's clearances.  I am waiting for the aluminum to fail so I can get 
in line for the next Atlantis batch. :-)

Will M
NYC


On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 5:32:56 PM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> As I said in another thread (
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/tAas6urcOwg/m/KW63fr0LCQAJ), 
> modern aluminium frames can be quite comfortable. Last week I did back to 
> back rides on successive days over the same chipseal roads on that Al bike 
> and on my Riv custom. I can't say that the Riv felt any more comfortable or 
> better handling. The Al frame was running Conti GP Urbans and the Riv Rene 
> Herse Bon Jon Pass, both nominally 35mm tyres.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Will M]

Hey Bob,

I installed an M12 on my Paul Touring Cantis (with the Paul Rack Adapters). 
 I agree with Bill L. that the UD-2's adjustable side struts -- or the VO 
rando rack's adjustable fork crown strut -- make leveling the rack way 
easier (for those of us with canti boses but without dedicated rando rack 
braze-ons).

For completeness of the thread:

   1. I had no trouble installing the Paul Rack Adapters... as simple as 
   installing the brakes with the rack adapters, adjusting brake spring 
   tension with a 14mm wrench, and then installing the rack.  Done.  Well, not 
   quite...
   2. As Bill points out, the brakes (and hence, the rack adapters) 
   protrude so far in front of the brake bosses that the struts lift the M12's 
   nose skyward. One can correct to some degree by maxing out the spacers 
   where the rack's fork crown bolt inserts into the fork crown.  But there 
   isn't enough thread on the back of the rack's fork crown bolt to get the 
   rack level. Here's a picture of the best I could do 
   
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52906286783/in/album-72157668716780897>
   .  
   3. Don't do this!  I first installed the M12 using "normal width" IRD 
   canti brakes, and drilled my aluminum fender to screw the fender to the 
   bottom of the M12 with a smallish spacer.  When I swapped out the IRDs for 
   the Paul Cantis, the rack moved so far forward that a new fender hole 
   needed to be drilled.  Swiss cheese.
   4. About that spacer between the rack and fender, a BIG spacer is 
   needed.  (Here's a pic of the spacer 
   
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52906220765/in/album-72157668716780897/>
 needed 
   to keep the fender concentric with the 700c x 38mm tire.)
   5. Some folks have bent their racks in a vise to make the geometry work 
   out a little better.  Here's a blog post on this 
   
<https://justincycle.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/nitto-m12-front-rack-paul-components-rack-adapter/>.
  
   But I didn't want to.
   6. Thank you Grant Petersen/RBW for putting dedicated rando rack 
   braze-ons on my Rambouillet 
   
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/36185050466/in/album-72157626161174071/>.
  
   It was soo much easier to install a Mark's Rack. 

Cheers,
Will M
NYC
  

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 6:02:57 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Thank you for this. I recall reading the very thing some years ago, but 
> have been unable to find it again; hence my post here.
>
> I have the RH UD-1 on one bike, and am impressed with it, so the UD-2 may 
> be the way I go.
>
> --
> Bob
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> You are getting good advice on workarounds for this combination.  I think 
>> you understand it, but I think for the benefit of others, it's worth 
>> stating that the Nitto M12 + Paul Cantilever brakes is not an ideal 
>> combination.  The Nitto M12 was made to work with cantilever brakes that do 
>> not extend past the end of the cantilever posts.  Did Compe DC980, recently 
>> sold by Rivendell are one of those models.  Paul cantilever brakes can work 
>> awesome with a small front rack, but does best with rack models that have 
>> adjustable struts.  The Rene Herse UD-2 is the best of those (and is 
>> manufactured by Nitto).  
>>
>> Folks can make that combo work, but it takes work to get good results. 
>>  For those who are not yet stuck with that combination, there are other 
>> combos that work together more effortlessly.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:52:21 AM UTC-7 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
>>> that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
>>> Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
>>> should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)
>>>
>>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that 
>>> the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from 
>>> the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

[Will M]

Drew, I was able to check out a Kombi. It does have the braze on for a 
front derailleur cable stop, as well as cable guides for the cable route 
down the down tube. A conversion to a double or triple crank is doable!

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:55:03 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> recently put together a mundo for a friend with a triple and there's 
> nothing weird about the seat tube. took a regular FD without any shims, 
> etc. cant imagine a kombi is much different?
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 2:19:26 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:
>
>> Yeah it's definitely between the Kombi and Short haul now. Leaning Kombi, 
>> but finding anywhere that stocks these for a test ride is proving 
>> impossible in los angeles. Looks like the Kombi is out of stock now as 
>> well. 
>>
>> Will M, did your Yuba come with a double up front? The Kombi is a 1x and 
>> I dont know how easy it would be to route a cable and put a derailer on it 
>> with all those weird tubing sizes and shapes. Could always just have 
>> another chainring on as a manual bail out, I guess. 
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:54:56 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>>
>>> Drew,
>>>
>>> I faced the same dilemma a few years back.  An Atlantis + 
>>> Rich-Lesnick-built 36-spoke rear wheel (and child carrier) were easily 
>>> rated for my 40-lb 5 y.o., (also w/ sensory issues) but I found the weight 
>>> that high up (on top o' 700c wheel) made the stability unsafe.  Really 
>>> unsafe.  
>>>
>>> If the "footprint" is a constraint you'd consider relaxing, the 
>>> discontinued Yuba Sweet Curry is the one to get.  Checks all your other 
>>> boxes. Analog, capacity for rider plus 300 lbs (250-lbs in back and 50-lbs 
>>> in front basket).  Twenty-inch rear wheel keeps the kids low and they can 
>>> wiggle all they want (4 year old + 8 year old = 110 lbs + backpacks). 
>>>  Frame-mounted front-basket with 50-lb capacity has little effect on 
>>> handling (try putting 50-lbs in my Wald 139 basket on the front of the 
>>> Atlantis!  Not.)  Handles like my old BMW motorcycle.
>>>
>>> Alas, the Sweet Curry is discontinued, and the Yuba Kombi (with 24" 
>>> wheels) is the analog option now.  Slightly shorter wheelbase and lower 
>>> weight capacity of the Sweet Curry, but with the monkey bars in back, your 
>>> son will not outgrow it for years.  Yuba website shows a nice way to hang 
>>> 'em vertically in small apartments. :-)
>>>
>>> Tip: The Analog Yubas are sped'ed with gearing that's too tall.  I 
>>> swapped the front crank with the RBW/Silver 24x38.  The ratios are perfect 
>>> with the 11x32 rear cassette.  And the 178mm (!) crank arms definitely help 
>>> when starting up at traffic lights with 110-lbs of kids.
>>>
>>> Seems space is a hard constraint for you.  It is me too (NYC apartment), 
>>> so the Yuba lives on the street year-round.  I simply know of no other bike 
>>> that will be as good for a 5-y.o. (and then 6 and then 7 and then...)I 
>>> take mine to my LBS twice a year for maintenance.  Since 2017, I've worn 
>>> out 1 rear hub, 2 bottom brackets, 5 chains, 2 complete sets of disc brake 
>>> pads, 1 rear derailer, and 1 broken derailer hanger.  And folks have stolen 
>>> the saddle and post and cushions.  Oh well.  Bright lights, big city and 
>>> all. 
>>>
>>> Wow, that Globe Haul is a neat option too.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Will
>>> NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:17:41 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why not electric?  My kids are nearing college age and I'm looking 
>>>> forward to replacing a car with an e-cargo bike.  I have no specific 
>>>> recommendations for you, but to me, you get more general utility with a 
>>>> motor.
>>>>
>>>> Will
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:10:41 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Drew,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Yuba Kombi probably will make more sense in the long term because 
>>>>> it's, like, a mid-tail cargo bike and when your kid is riding on their 
>>>>> own 
>>>>> it's still useful as a cargo hauler. Also can best serve as both kid and 
>>>>> cargo interchangeably, during transition period when you want your kid to 
>>>>> be able to hop onto padded bench seat so

Re: [RBW] Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

[Will M]

Drew,

I faced the same dilemma a few years back.  An Atlantis + 
Rich-Lesnick-built 36-spoke rear wheel (and child carrier) were easily 
rated for my 40-lb 5 y.o., (also w/ sensory issues) but I found the weight 
that high up (on top o' 700c wheel) made the stability unsafe.  Really 
unsafe.  

If the "footprint" is a constraint you'd consider relaxing, the 
discontinued Yuba Sweet Curry is the one to get.  Checks all your other 
boxes. Analog, capacity for rider plus 300 lbs (250-lbs in back and 50-lbs 
in front basket).  Twenty-inch rear wheel keeps the kids low and they can 
wiggle all they want (4 year old + 8 year old = 110 lbs + backpacks). 
 Frame-mounted front-basket with 50-lb capacity has little effect on 
handling (try putting 50-lbs in my Wald 139 basket on the front of the 
Atlantis!  Not.)  Handles like my old BMW motorcycle.

Alas, the Sweet Curry is discontinued, and the Yuba Kombi (with 24" wheels) 
is the analog option now.  Slightly shorter wheelbase and lower weight 
capacity of the Sweet Curry, but with the monkey bars in back, your son 
will not outgrow it for years.  Yuba website shows a nice way to hang 'em 
vertically in small apartments. :-)

Tip: The Analog Yubas are sped'ed with gearing that's too tall.  I swapped 
the front crank with the RBW/Silver 24x38.  The ratios are perfect with the 
11x32 rear cassette.  And the 178mm (!) crank arms definitely help when 
starting up at traffic lights with 110-lbs of kids.

Seems space is a hard constraint for you.  It is me too (NYC apartment), so 
the Yuba lives on the street year-round.  I simply know of no other bike 
that will be as good for a 5-y.o. (and then 6 and then 7 and then...)I 
take mine to my LBS twice a year for maintenance.  Since 2017, I've worn 
out 1 rear hub, 2 bottom brackets, 5 chains, 2 complete sets of disc brake 
pads, 1 rear derailer, and 1 broken derailer hanger.  And folks have stolen 
the saddle and post and cushions.  Oh well.  Bright lights, big city and 
all. 

Wow, that Globe Haul is a neat option too.

Cheers,
Will
NYC

   

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:17:41 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Why not electric?  My kids are nearing college age and I'm looking forward 
> to replacing a car with an e-cargo bike.  I have no specific 
> recommendations for you, but to me, you get more general utility with a 
> motor.
>
> Will
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:10:41 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:
>
>> Drew,
>>
>> The Yuba Kombi probably will make more sense in the long term because 
>> it's, like, a mid-tail cargo bike and when your kid is riding on their own 
>> it's still useful as a cargo hauler. Also can best serve as both kid and 
>> cargo interchangeably, during transition period when you want your kid to 
>> be able to hop onto padded bench seat sometimes, but not so much that 
>> you're going to keep a full child seat installed.
>>
>> Smaller wheels do make carrying a kid feel better. I went from riding 
>> with a kid in a Thule rear rackmount seat on an old 26" Rockhopper and then 
>> got an Orbea Katu with 20" wheels and the latter rode much nicer with the 
>> top-heavy load. Even for me but especially for my wife, who isn't so 
>> confident on a bike, even without a load. 
>>
>> Orbea unfortunately doesn't sell the Katu in the USA any more. It's a 
>> great family bike for sub-"cargo" use but is closer to a mid-tail cargo 
>> bike (with 20" wheels) than most minivelos, with pretty long 
>> chainstays/wheelbase. Also with geo designed for more upright riding and 
>> flexible range of rider height. Plenty of heel clearance to ride with a set 
>> of panniers mounted to an add-on rear rack, and also has an "integrated" 
>> rack that bolts on to the headtube.
>>
>> Based on my experience, 20" wheels instead of even 24" wheels I think 
>> will be appreciably nicer with a load above the rack line, but 24" is at 
>> least better than 27.5" or 26" in that regard, and if you'll keep it as a 
>> cargo bike will probably be preferable to 20" at that point.
>>
>> Chester
>> SF Bay Area
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the thoughts and feedback. It's unfortunate that there 
>>> are so few non electric options these days, but helpful to know which older 
>>> models to keep an eye out for. I did discover that Yuba has a version of 
>>> the Kombi that isn't electric and about the same price as the Tern. Bike 
>>> Friday would end up being at least 1000$ more, so I'm leaning toward the 
>>> Yuba or Kombi. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:56:29 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It amuses me that the difference in wheelbase length between my medium 
 Big Dummy and my medium Gus is only 9”. 

 On Jul 22, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

 

 You could look for an old Kona MinUte. Kind of a short cargo bike. 
 There was another model like this, but I can't remember what it was.
 Eric

 On Fri,

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Will M]

Hi all.  Along lines of this thread, my 62cm orange Quickbeam is for sale 
on eBay right now 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/295828600950?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=-Q-ayo1_TAu&sssrc=2524149&ssuid=-Q-ayo1_TAu&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY>.
  
Auction ends Sunday. Happy to do local pickup or ship.

--Will M
NYC


On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:41:59 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Looks like a brand new 55cm Platy frame.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301092715785068/
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:55:42 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> This appears to be an excellent deal. 51cm Appaloosa complete for $1,850
>>
>> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72490781
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-6 JAS wrote:
>>
>>>  7 Rivs on Craiglsist in the Northwest:
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa,  47cm*
>>> Prototype, frame built by Mark Nobilette
>>> $3200
>>> Silverdale, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7641501704.html
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa frame set, 46cm*
>>> $1200
>>> blue
>>> Silverdale, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.html
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa, 54cm*
>>> $3400
>>> orange
>>> Central Point, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html
>>>
>>> *Ram, 54cm (or 56cm?)*
>>> $1900
>>> orange
>>> Central Point, OR
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html
>>>
>>> *Susie/Wolbis XL frameset*
>>> $1775
>>> Eugene, OR
>>> lime-olive
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-xl-susie-wolbis/7636146396.html
>>>
>>> *Hubuhhubuh, small*
>>> $3700
>>> Sequim, WA
>>>
>>> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/sequim-rivendell-hubbuhubbuh-tandem/7642793863.html
>>>
>>> *Bleriot, 46cm*
>>> $1000
>>> Deer Park, WA (near Spokane)
>>>
>>> https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/deer-park-rivendell-bleriot/7639080253.html
>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another All Rounder, beautiful and in my size - so tempting, but the 
>>>> timing is not right. I was in touch with the owner who also has a 
>>>> Bombadil, 
>>>> very nice guy.
>>>>
>>>> 2004 59cm Rivendell All-Rounder
>>>> Curt Goodrich built frame USA
>>>> Joe Bell paint
>>>> 26” wheels
>>>> $3K
>>>> SF, CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-all-rounder/7642699971.html
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:39:52 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-07-13 at 8.38.46 AM.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> Rivendell All Rounder, 54cm 
>>>>> Waterford-built
>>>>> $3,000
>>>>> Sellwood Cycle. Portland, OR 
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sellwoodcycle.com/collections/used-bikes/products/54cm-rivendell-all-arounder
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:10:25 AM UTC-4 kw wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-atlantis-53cm/7635482928.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:38:33 PM UTC-4 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/d/missoula-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7633643955.html
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Valerie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The description says it was built in Japan, so Toyo origin. It 
>>>>>>>> would have come with 26" wheels; must be a conversion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:44:27 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>>>>>>
&g

[RBW] Re: Tallux length for Albatross?

[Will M]

Drew, when I built up my VO Campeur with Albotross bars 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/43038383684/in/album-72157668716780897/>,
 
the Albo's came so far back that I (a) sawed an inch off each end at the 
grip area and (b) used a 1cm-longer-reach Technomic stem than I'd normally 
use with drop bars on the same frame.Still very pleasantly upright 
seating position.  Just one data point and I'm not sure there's a hard and 
fast rule; but those Albo's do come back quite a way. --Will M

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:47:48 AM UTC-4 Michael Connors wrote:

> I tried Albatross bars on my 53 Atlantis using a dirt drop stem and they 
> were too close, so I changed to Wavie bars. The Albatross bars are now on 
> my 1973 10 speed (having the same top tube length as the Atlantis) using a 
> 10cm tallux stem. I found that my hands were often on the brake lever 
> clamps, so I changed to longer ESI grips and moved the brake levers forward.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Book recommendations for learning how to build up a bike

[Will M]

Hi again, Stephanie.  Did you see that Igor Shteynbuk at Velo Orange has 
posed part 1 (of 4) in a video series building up a rando bike from 
scratch?  Not a book, but useful?  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUdpmiCokTc   



On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-5 Stephanie A. wrote:

> Thank you so much for all that you have shared. 
>
> Okay...I'll try to get by with all of the online resources you've shared 
> and search through the libraries around me first.
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:14:53 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>
>> Mackenzy:
>>
>> DITTO...
>>
>> Until just the other day I didn't know he passed away in 2008, RIP.
>>
>> The site is remarkably helpful for tips, DIY, and trivia things like cog 
>> spacing...haha.
>>
>> Outside of Service Instructions it's my go to resource. Crazy the number 
>> of topics that are covered. And, as you say, he wrote well such that his 
>> guidance is easy reading.
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 3:55 PM, Mackenzy Albright
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Not to discourage books. I love books. Just an FYI I am a really really 
>> really big fan of the Sheldon Brown website. Every time. i need to do a 
>> thing to my bike that I cant remember how to do it i just type whatever I 
>> need and sheldon brown.  like "chain length sheldon brown"  problem solved. 
>>
>> I love that every write up is well written. builds in problem solving and 
>> issues based DIY compatibility options instead of assuming group sets and 
>> new parts. etc. 
>>
>> I wish somebody would just compile the sheldon brown website into a 
>> hardcover book. ISOLA PRESS. After jobst brant - here is your next project! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:14:20 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>> My experience with bike mechanic books is that they all say the same 
>> stuff, but in different ways, with different styles of illustrations or 
>> photographs, and in varying degrees of detail. It might be worth a trip to 
>> the library to flip through a few of them and see what jives with your 
>> experience and preferences.
>>
>> The one I used as a kid was called something like "How to fix your 
>> bicycle" and it just confused me (and my dad who is a competent mechanic). 
>> So definitely skim anything you can before you buy it.
>>
>> The content I would really want in a book is tips and tricks, like how to 
>> hold everything just right to get the cable tension for my brakes perfect 
>> and what parts are compatible with other parts (like using a 9 speed chain 
>> on 8 speed cassettes, or using Shimano road shifters with mountain 
>> derailers). I don't know of a book that has that stuff, but I bet there is 
>> one out there that does.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:08:04 AM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:
>>
>> As I continue to change things on my current bike, I've realize that what 
>> I really want is a book that helps me understand building up and 
>> maintaining a bike. YouTube videos and helpful websites are great. I'm so 
>> thankful that they exist. But my brain craves a single, cohesively written 
>> text I can easily read through and turn to when I'm thinking about changing 
>> shifters, selecting different drivetrain parts, understanding geometry, 
>> taking apart bikes, wiring, and making adjustments. I really only see 
>> myself dealing with non-fixie commuters and touring bikes.
>>
>> I found a book online called *How to Build a Bike (in a Weekend)* by 
>> Alan Anderson with illustrations by Lee John Phillips. Has anyone used 
>> this? Does anyone have other suggestions?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto 32F Rack weight limit?

[Will M]

@ Zac: The 32F on my Quickbeam routinely exceeds the 4.4-lb load. I'd go 
with Analog's 15-lb limit.  As load increases, slow-speed steering 
weirdness becomes the constraint long before one worries about rack 
integrity.  Using archive.org, I just took a peak at 
http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/webalog/baggage_racks/20020.html from 
February 2006 (about the vintage of mine), and see that they did not 
publish a weight limits nor recommend tether straps back in the day.  When 
did published limits appear?  Anecdotally... I've walked my 4-year-old (30+ 
pounds) home from school while she sat backward on the 32F rack (I pushed 
the bike).  And the similar VO Rando rack has a 12-pound rated limit, tho' 
it has straight stays to the fork blade eyelets.  

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:40:54 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Yeah, I always thought it goofy also to buy a tiny rack and then put a big 
> wire basket on top of it and expect it to be stable. Even if one does it 
> anyway, in "zac's" case with a shallow head tube frame, the 32f is poor 
> choice as it has no adjustability in any way to get it close-r to the head 
> tube. While a M 18 or Marks rack would offer that, more platform and 
> relative strength is called for here. The Soma/VO Porteur racks are fully 
> adjustable and there's no concern with loads. The VO includes a platform 
> fence, no cheap wire basket needed. How the bike may feel/handle, well 
> that's a separate story.
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 7:43:54 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> this has been discussed many times before.  in this age of litigation, 
>> nitto has always been conservative with their weight ratings, but we're all 
>> adults and have to make our own decisions.  that said, and keep in mind 
>> this comes from someone thats been running a nitto mini front for over 10 
>> years with a basket, you can get away with more weight.  now even i would 
>> say, if your plan is to bring back 15-20 lbs of whatever often, then thats 
>> not a good idea (imo), but for occasional heavy loads, its fine.  
>>
>> my bigger issue with this combo is i think the smaller racks are not wide 
>> enough of a platform for stability to secure a basket.  i recently switched 
>> to a nitto/simworks obento rack and its been a little more stable.   
>>
>> you don't mention what bike you are planning for this, but if its a 
>> rivendell, most of them do not steer well with a heavy front load, which is 
>> another reason to keep it light.  
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The pass and stow is nice but im going for something lighter that 
>>> hopefully sits closer to the headtube. having the load out in front of the 
>>> axle like that feels too sloppy for me. I think im gonna try the 32f with a 
>>> beefy strap and just not go too crazy on the load. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is why I’ve just opted for the five rail rack from Pass & Stow: 
 25lbs or less suggested, rated to 50lbs, and can handle 200lbs. I’ll 
 *never* need all that it can offer tbh.





 On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:57:20 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is why Riv got Nitto to make a Basket Rack. They kinda backed 
> themselves into a world of riders putting big loads in a big basket on a 
> little rack on the if-the-wheel-locks-up-things-get-ugly-fast end of the 
> bike and...you don't want that. 
>
> I tried it, I hated the way it affected the steering, I run most of my 
> load on the back now. My recommendation is to keep basket loads in the 
> range of weight you would normally allow a bar bag to run. And use that 
> strap. 
>
> Joe "safer than sorry" Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 3:45:22 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I've never used a rack that wasn't stronger than the M5 stainless 
>> steel screws attaching it to the bike.
>>
>> Years ago Riv said don't put baskets on this rack. With all sorts of 
>> wink wink caveats and the advice to always put a strap around your 
>> rack/basket to your handlebar. 
>> From memory, Nitto had a lot of issues with the 32f because wald 
>> baskets allowed too much leverage on the crown brace and it would 
>> fatigue 
>> fail. So not really a weight problem but a torque, use case problem. 
>> Front 
>> racks failing, falling into front wheels is very serious accident bad, 
>> something a company would want to legally distance itself from.
>>
>> I have never had a Nitto rack come even close to failing and I've put 
>> crazy stupid weights on most of them.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Will M]

@ All: Not as sexy as the snow photos many of y'all are sharing, but here 
is a Quickbeam glamour shot,* last night braving 25 MPH gusts whipping off 
the Hudson River.  Br!   
https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52673897739 

@ Takashi: I second Paul's comments about your Japan photography.  Stunning.

@ Steven: I'm also a NYC rider (Quickbeam "illegally" stashed in condo 
stairwell) and a film photographer (the Sackville trunksack always carries 
a 1984 Leica M6). Speaking of which, here's a recent Quickbeam glamour 
shot* made with granddad's 1949 Summitar lens on Ektachrome E100 slides: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52669482504 

* Who remembers Mike Thomas's original "Quickbeam glamour shot" that 
appeared on Flickr in 2007?  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mathomas/1243504402  

Cheers,
Will
Chelsea, NYC



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> I’m loving all the pictures everyone! Just a couple From my usual loop. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[Will M]

@Michael: I don't have experience with the Ene Ciclo front carrier, but it 
seems an elegant solution.  I assume the Riv/Nitto Mark's rack would also 
be an option with the Racers (it performed the job just fine with the 
caliper brakes on my Riv Ram).  Agree with your partner about the 
"concerted effort" of the GC700 (well said). I was never able to get the 
GC610s on my VO dialed in in a way that gave the confidence of a 
linear-pull brake... or my old Ultegra sidepulls. Local bike shop was 
unsuccessful too.  Good points about fenders -- I guess there's only so 
much room on a Roadini.  There were some comments on an old Quickbeam thread 
<https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/nLEkBQ5lIwI/m/k1naCT7kCAAJ?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
 
where some posited that one really wants fenders 10mm wider than the tires 
to avoid the small finicky rubbing problems.  I note the SKS P50 claims 
45mm max tire -- which I may try as the SKS doesn't have certain nuts and 
bolt heads inside the fenders like the VOs.  Cheers.  --Will

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:43:20 PM UTC-5 Michael Doleman wrote:

> Despite the huge price, I am considering getting some Paul Racers for my 
> partner's Roadini. While the GC700 pair has been serving well enough, she 
> does report that controlling speed on steeper descents requires a bit of 
> concerted effort. Not so bad that it actually "needs" fixing, but for 
> longer term it's worth thinking about. I don't know if the Racers would 
> definitely perform all that much better, but in looking at the design I 
> think they very well might -- I'm guessing there would be less flex with 
> the way the arms are designed. At almost 400 bucks for a set of the 
> polished finish, though -- wow, that's a serious commitment. I guess that's 
> what you pay for quality MUSA parts.
>
> Part of the reason I'm using the GC700, though, is to be able to mount one 
> of the small Ene Ciclo front racks which is specifically designed around 
> the bolts of the GC610 & 700. I'd have to come-up with a different rack & 
> mounting configuration (I think) if we decide to go with the Racers. I 
> guess there's always p-clips :-/  Which leads to another point about the 
> Roadini -- weird (to me) that Rivdendell touts the utility of racks on any 
> given bike, but then fails to include fork mounts on the Roadini. I mean, 
> not a huge-huge issue, but it would sure have been nice. For the little 
> mini Berthoud bag my partner uses on the Roadini, I think I could likely 
> get away with just hanging it from a decaleur (somehow), so perhaps that's 
> the way to go.
>
> Tire/fender-wise, right now we have Rene Herse 35mm tires and 
> SimWorks/Honjo smooth/51mm fenders. That works reasonably well, with some 
> minor fit-up headaches. I don't know that a 38 would fit comfortably with 
> those fenders very well, and I think they are likely about the same as the 
> VO 50mm. I think they'd rub somewhere unless kept in perfect alignment at 
> all times. On my Hillborne, I like to run 38mm tires and I have the 
> SimWork/Honjo smooth/62mm fenders. They fit with lots of room to spare, for 
> the tire, but I did have to dimple them for clearance at the fork blades 
> and chain stays. I suspect the same would be true of the Roadini.
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:19:56 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>
>> Michael: Thanks for starting this thread -- very helpful.  
>>
>> A related question: for the current crop of new Roadini's, is anyone 
>> running the Paul Racers (not the "M") and what max fender are you using on 
>> the Roadini with the Racer?   (Would like to run a 50mm VO snakeskin with 
>> RH 38mm tires.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Will M
>> NYC
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My plan is to use the GC700 front and rear, for the sake of consistent 
>>> look and convenience (the 610 has threaded pad mounting, while the 700 has 
>>> unthreaded posts). Also I'd just prefer to keep sets together.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 9:11 AM Patch T  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Michael - I was eagerly waiting for these results. Are you 
>>>> running GC700 front and rear, or keeping the 610 up front?
>>>>
>>>> Patch in NYC
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual 
>>>>> brake reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specif

Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini Clearance and Brake Reach

[Will M]

Michael: Thanks for starting this thread -- very helpful.  

A related question: for the current crop of new Roadini's, is anyone 
running the Paul Racers (not the "M") and what max fender are you using on 
the Roadini with the Racer?   (Would like to run a 50mm VO snakeskin with 
RH 38mm tires.)

Thanks,
Will M
NYC


On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman wrote:

> My plan is to use the GC700 front and rear, for the sake of consistent 
> look and convenience (the 610 has threaded pad mounting, while the 700 has 
> unthreaded posts). Also I'd just prefer to keep sets together.
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 9:11 AM Patch T  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Michael - I was eagerly waiting for these results. Are you running 
>> GC700 front and rear, or keeping the 610 up front?
>>
>> Patch in NYC
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-4 Michael Doleman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In a previous conversation I promised to post my findings on actual 
>>> brake reach needs for the new Roadini frames. Specifically, I had been 
>>> speculating that the Dia-Compe/Gran-Compe model GC610 center-pull could 
>>> work, despite having only 61 of the specified-as-required 63 millimeters of 
>>> reach.
>>>
>>> My partner just received her new 50cm model, and I've conducted some 
>>> initial studies. Findings are interesting, the main one being that there 
>>> seems to be a rather huge difference between reach needed for the frame 
>>> versus the fork. For the fork, the GC610 very easily works, with plenty to 
>>> spare.
>>>
>>> On the frame itself, it's a different matter. The brake shoe is very 
>>> close to contacting the (35mm) tire.
>>>
>>> Some might argue that it could work, but don't include me in that set -- 
>>> too close for comfort. 
>>>
>>> So I'll be installing the GC700 model which gives another 9mm of reach 
>>> and is a very nice brake as well.
>>>
>>> Side note: the fit of the rear wheel axle into the dropout was really 
>>> tight. At first I didn't have the wheel set into it properly and it 
>>> appeared that the reach was even greater. Make sure you get the wheel 
>>> properly seated into the dropout -- with the paint, it's quite tight.
>>>
>>> I tried to add photos to this message but was told the post was too long 
>>> with them.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Book recommendations for learning how to build up a bike

[Will M]

Stephanie,

There is also Jenni Gwiazdowski's (2017) *How to Build a Bike: A Simple 
Guide to Making Your Own Ride*, but I have not read it.  On repairs, I have 
Tom Cuthbertson's (1998) *Anybody's Bike Book: A Comprehensive Manual of 
Bike Repairs *but find it lacking (intended for the novice).  When I built 
up my Rambouillet from scratch, I found Sheldon Brown's website 
<https://www.sheldonbrown.com/> plus YouTube / Park Tools websites the best 
resources.

Helpful?
Will M
NYC


On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 10:43:56 AM UTC-5 sin...@msn.com wrote:

> The first bike I built by myself was my first Rivendell--the Romulus. I 
> remember going over to Riv to collect the frameset and the parts. At the 
> time I mainly relied on Park Tools' website. Later, I got these two books 
> from a garage sale and used them as I became a more proficient amateur 
> mechanic. I don't use them anymore as now I look up tips online when i have 
> a more obscure issue to deal with or a new technology to learn (like when I 
> got my first disc brake bike two years ago).
>
> If you want I can mail you these books as a start!
>
> Franklyn
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:08:04 AM UTC-8 Stephanie A. wrote:
>
>> As I continue to change things on my current bike, I've realize that what 
>> I really want is a book that helps me understand building up and 
>> maintaining a bike. YouTube videos and helpful websites are great. I'm so 
>> thankful that they exist. But my brain craves a single, cohesively written 
>> text I can easily read through and turn to when I'm thinking about changing 
>> shifters, selecting different drivetrain parts, understanding geometry, 
>> taking apart bikes, wiring, and making adjustments. I really only see 
>> myself dealing with non-fixie commuters and touring bikes.
>>
>> I found a book online called *How to Build a Bike (in a Weekend)* by 
>> Alan Anderson with illustrations by Lee John Phillips. Has anyone used 
>> this? Does anyone have other suggestions?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Widest tires on green Quickbeam?

[Will M]

Hi all.  Revisiting an oldish thread.  What's the biggest tire you 
Quickbeamers are running with SKS P45 longboard feders?  I have an orange 
62cm Quickbeam and wanted to try 700x38mm tires with my P45s.  It's pretty 
clear that the Quickbeam can take 'em.  It's less clear if the P45 
longboards can.  (Websites such as REI 
<https://www.rei.com/product/871102/sks-p45-chromoplastic-longboard-fender-set>,
 
etc., say max tire width = 37mm, yet RBW says 
<https://www.rivbike.com/products/sks-esge-longboard-fender-p45> 38mm).  
Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

Will M
-NYC 

On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-4 grant wrote:

> You can measure the chainstay width, inside-2-inside, at the point where 
> the tire passes, then figure howevermany millimeters you're comfortable 
> with for clearance (four is a fine minimum-and the Japanese standard, Times 
> 2 that's 8.). Then do the negative arithmetic, and blammo--there's your max 
> tire. 
> (I know those who ride less than four. if the tire is big and cushy, the 
> wheel whill probably stay true forever. Why would it not?)
>
> G
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Janjigian  
> wrote:
>
>> RBWers -
>>
>> I have 35mm tires on my green QB that need replacing. I'm thinking about 
>> ditching the fenders and going AWAP. Anyone know whether 40mm will fit? It 
>> certainly looks like I have at least 5mm to spare. 
>>
>> Thanks
>> AJ
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Will M]

Quickbeaming in the Palisades (NJ): 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52461098124

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:12:34 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: 788DE312-3054-46CC-9E5C-EBEBBB53676E.jpeg]
>
> From this week’s trip to Orange County, CA. Slightly lacking in foliage 
> but…
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:01:19 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Some pics from this past week’s rides:
>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> From today.
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 7:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Leah for sharing those nice fall Platy pics. I thought it'd be 
>> fun if we all had a place to share some nice fall pics. Here are a few of 
>> mine from this weekend. 
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3200.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3235.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3163.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller

[Will M]

@Jon: I see you've had some good info about maximum fender/tire clearances. 
For what it's worth, I ran my Ram 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/36185050466/in/album-72157626161174071/>
 
100% on paved roads with the standard Rivendell Roll-y Pol-y 700x28c tires 
and SKS P35 fenders (which max out at 28mm tires?).  Worked great with 
Ultegra side-pull brakes.

Will M

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:03:55 PM UTC-4 Jon Richardson wrote:

> JP - I have wondered about having this setup as a 650b ride.  To hear how 
> you made this a convertible is very intriguing!  I have mostly race type 
> road bikes and am moving into a more useful all-round bike as I have had 
> too many injuries.
>
>  Original message 
> From: MoVelo  
> Date: 10/20/22 1:52 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch  
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>
> Im running 50mm SKS plastic fenders on my Ramboulliet when it's in fender 
> mode. I switch back and forth between 700x32s and 650Bx42s so it's good to 
> have a fender wide enough for both of those.
>
> It works really well given the location of the brake bridge in back and 
> fork crown in front. Using Tektro 559s I simply slide the brake shoes to 
> the bottom of the slot for 650B and then at the top of the slot for 700c. I 
> did have to file the rear brake slot a bit to get the brake shoe low 
> enough. 
>
> It's almost as simple and operation as with disc brakes. Takes me maybe 20 
> mins to make the switch.
>
> I can't think of a more versatile bike than this Rambo.
>
> JP
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 1:27:47 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I finally settled on RH stampede Pass tires on Velocity Synergy rims 
>> under Honjo H-45 fenders and Paul center mount Racer brakes. Been riding 
>> that Rambouillet on all roads that way for years. 
>> Fendered '02 Rambouillet on 700x32 
>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/7aUx9ZUx1iGtgsCM9>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 8:20:13 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> IF you can get those wider fenders inside those brakes. My memory of 
>>> messing with this on my Romulus is pretty vague now but it wasn't the 
>>> easiest project I've ever embarked on. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:28:22 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Peter!  
>>>>
>>>> Appreciate everyone's help and advice.  Looks like 28 or maybe 30s if 
>>>> they are true to size and 41 to 45mm fenders should work.  Guess the Jack 
>>>> Browns are nice weather gravel for the Ram.
>>>>
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: Peter White  
>>>> Date: 10/18/22 3:42 PM (GMT-05:00) 
>>>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Fender size for a Rambouiller 
>>>>
>>>> I'm firmly in Joe's camp.
>>>>
>>>> I use Challenge Paris Roubaix tires on my Rambouillet. They are 
>>>> labelled 27mm but measure 29.5mm. My fenders are Berthoud carbon fiber, 
>>>> only 25mm wide, but then this is my good weather bike. I would not 
>>>> recommend anything wider than these tires with any fender on the 
>>>> Rambouillet. 33.3mm would be very dangerous, in my opinion. If this were 
>>>> my 
>>>> bad weather bike, I'd be using the same tires but with the 41mm 
>>>> Stronglight 
>>>> anodized aluminum fenders.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Jon White
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 2:10 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jon, 
>>>>>
>>>>> You would probably need wider fenders for 33.3 and I'm not comfortable 
>>>>> recommending it. These frames weren't designed for a fender/tire 
>>>>> combination like that and the minimal  clearance is begging for a 
>>>>> bike-stopping branch to get stuck in there. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 5:17:52 AM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Joe!  The description says for 20-28c tires, however I run the 
>>>>>> 33.3 Jack Bs, do I need a wider set of fenders?
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[RBW] Converting a T1000 into an Atlantis

[Will M]

Hi all.  

S.  If you listen carefully you can hear my 1990s Cannondale T1000 
whisper, "I wish I were an Atlantis!"  How many parts you can spot from the 
Riv catalog in this recent pic? 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52412267528

Answers:

   - Cockpit: Tallux stem, Albastache bars, Dia-Compe long-pull levers*
   - Silver2 friction bar-end shifter (right)#
   - Downtube friction shifter (left)#
   - Jack Brown tires
   - SKS 45mm fenders
   - Brooks Flyer Special saddle
   - Sugino XD2 24/36/46 triple crank (and IRD bottom bracket)
   - Nitto 2-strut top rack + Wald 139 basket**
   - Nitto Big Back Rack ("large"; 40-pound capacity!)
   - Busch & Müller Secula battery light 
   - King water bottle cages

Only 5 original parts remain: generic linear-pull brakes, 105 headset, XT & 
105 derailleurs, RSX hubs,## and the CAAD2 Touring frameset.  Got Motolites 
and a rapid rise in my sights, when the time comes.   And any old 61cm 
Atlantis if the aluminum frame cracks. 

Backstory: In the 1990s with time for extended self-supported tours, but no 
dough for the dream bike (Atlantis), I scraped up enough for this US-made 
Cannondale T1000.  Parts that wore out over the subsequent quarter century 
were always replaced from the Riv catalog, slowly turning the T1000 into an 
Atlantis.  

I know this transformation is not unique, but wanted to share. 

Cheers, 
Will M 
NYC

* Many have written about Albastache bars working/not working for them 
<https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/dmrOBmIrdI4>, but after 
decades on drop bars, the Albastache for me is a revelation.  A rebirth.  A 
dramatic improvement.  Thanks to Paul G on this list for shifter cable 
routing advice. 

# It was originally spec'ed with 105 STI 9-speed brifters.  Both brifters 
failed catastrophically after only 10 years.

** Back in the aughts, Grant's writing in the* Reader* inspired ditching 
the low-riders for the two-strut rack and 139 basket.  Self-supported 
touring with 20-30 pounds in low-rider-mounted panniers is amazing, stable, 
motorcycle-like.  Putting 18 lbs (the max weight) up in the basket is... 
well... I'll go back to low-riders for the next adventure tour.  

## The original Mavic T221 touring rims self-destructed 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/2904828776/in/album-72157607836895923/>
 
with cracking between eyelets. Only hubs live on. 


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[RBW] Re: Advantages of front loading

[Will M]

I have a 1990s Cannondale adventure tourer with low-trail fork. With the 
low riders (and front panniers), it's as stable as a motorcycle, no matter how 
much I overload the rear panniers 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/2264736804/in/album-72157607836895923/>.
  
Influenced by Grant's *Riv Readers *of the late aughts, I removed the low 
riders for a two-strut Nitto front rack and Wald 139 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/25732185204/in/album-72157607836895923/>.
  
Don't notice so much difference from the higher center of gravity, but the 
wobbliness of the lower-capacity Nitto rack...

Will M 

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 12:37:41 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> This is such an interesting thread. I found myself nodding my head reading 
> John Rinker's note. I bought my Hunq new in 2012, and I never thought about 
> trail per se until 3 or 4 years ago when it seemed trail was in the air, 
> everywhere I turned, and everyone was talking about it. Maybe it's 
> something particular to the Hunqapillar compared with other frames, but 
> I've never felt a need to ruminate over what I had on a front rack or rear 
> rack, balancing loads, whatever. I just never had to think about it. It has 
> always felt stable whether the front was loaded with nothing in the rear, 
> or vice versa, or both front and rear were loaded, or without any load at 
> all. That's not to say that hauling a good sized watermelon on the front 
> rack — which is common for me during the season — doesn't change handling 
> characteristics. It certainly does, but not anywhere close to a degree that 
> I find uncomfortable or problematic at all. I carry what I need to carry, I 
> do what I need to do, and my riding adjusts and compensates accordingly, 
> with little thought about it. It's natural. Anyway, I think we are 
> constantly adjusting how we ride due to varying surfaces, wind patterns, 
> energy or fatigue level, tire pressure, how our muscles and brains feel, 
> elevation, and so on. There are countless dynamic variables that affect 
> handling, requiring us to adjust and readjust on the fly and then we get 
> momentum. On the Hunq, for me at least, the net outcome is a sense of 
> stability, comfort, and confidence regardless of how much I am hauling or 
> where the haul is positioned on the bike. 
>
> Except when I experienced a puzzling shimmy. The handlebar would vibrate 
> and swing wildly back and forth at speed if I removed one or both hands 
> from the bar. The oscillation was palpable, annoying, and very much out of 
> character for the bike. It  was not related to any front or rear load 
> dynamics, nor to any lights, bells, or mirror mounted to the handlebar. The 
> shimmy would diminish a bit if I touched either leg to the top tub or 
> diagonal tube, but not completely. I bought an IRD double roller bearing 
> headset thinking it might solve the problem (Rivendell was out of stock of 
> their Tange/IRD NeedL BlastR at the time). But before having the new one 
> installed, I reached out to Rivendell to ask about shimmy. In typical 
> transparent and helpful fashion, Grant and Mark both said (paraphrasing): 
> sometimes shimmy happens for no apparent or solvable reason. Bike physics 
> and dynamics are super complicated. Keep your hands on the bar, don't ride 
> ride no-handedly! Try removing the racks (it didn't help). 
>
> Finally Grant said, no need to spend money on a new headset. It doesn't 
> always solve the problem. Try heavier grease in your headset, and tighten 
> it down more than you normally would. You're not after "buttery smooth" 
> movement. You want some friction and resistance. It won't interfere with 
> steering. 
>
> Sure enough, these simple steps completely eliminated the shimmy. 
> Stability returned to the Hunq! 
>
> I wished I had contacted Riv before I bought the new headset. It's a nice 
> piece of kit, now taking up space in the parts bin. 
>  
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 5:47:55 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I loaded my Rambouillet with a Caradice Nelson Longflap when new to do a 
>> credit card camping take on the TranAm/Western Flyer route from Norfolk, VA 
>> to SF, CA via Pueblo, CO starting in early May. It was perfect, although I 
>> could see being a bit more prepared for contingencies (more stuff) would be 
>> good, but I was within tolerance range of the Rivendale stated optimal max 
>> load. All the good handling attributes felt like they were  without damping 
>> by the rear load which in fairness was in front of the rear hub. I dare say 
>> every Rivendell model is different and presents a varying capacity by 
>> design for carrying loads on the f

[RBW] Re: Artsy Pics of Your Riv's

[Will M]

Fun thread!

I shot this image of my Rambouillet head badge through my grandfather's 
circa-1950 Leica "Elmar" 90mm portrait lens at maximum aperture (f/4) using 
Fuji Velvia 100 color reversal film while the sun set over the Hudson 
River.  And then (poof!) suddenly this Riv Owners Bunch was lighting up 
that a Rivendell is featured in the Flickr Explore on April 29, 2013 
<https://www.flickr.com/explore/2013/04/29>. My 15 minutes in the limelight.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/8691531981/in/album-72157626161174071/

Will M



On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 11:06:23 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> [image: HungBW.jpg]
>
> A while ago in Nanjing, China. 
>
> Cheers, John
> On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:38:00 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> My Bleriot at Mt Stromlo observatory, in front of one of the observatory 
>> domes that were burnt out in the 2003 bushfires.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0444.jpg]
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis 61cm Toyo

[Will M]

Vince,

Did you see?  Posted Monday.  And located in Minneapolis. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115481524046

(Not mine.)

Will
NYC



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> Hey everyone, 
>
> Probably a long shot but I am hoping to track down a Toyo built 61cm 
> Atlantis. Ideally F/F/H but would be open to a full build. I am located in 
> Minnesota. Let me know if you have any leads please!
>
> Thanks, 
> Vince 
>

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Re: [RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

[Will M]

Jason,

The best data I've found for objectively comparing output power and drag of 
different dynamo hubs across a range of speeds is here.  
https://www.cyclingabout.com/dynamo-hub-power-drag-testing-schmidt-son-shutter-precision-shimano/

I live car-free in an east-coast city.  Due to probability of theft, I went 
with less expensive 6V-3W Shimano dynohubs on my VO commuter bike and my 
Yuba extended-wheelbase cargo bike.  I had Cygolites in the past, but 
discovered the elegance of dynohub lighting -- lights are permanently 
mounted (theft prevention) and they always work (nothing to recharge).  
Less hassle.

To reduce zipties and wires, on my Quickbeam I went with this 6V-2.4W 
Shimano dynamo hub 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/51842192083/in/album-72177720296206290/>
 
which powers only a front light (this battery-powered rear light 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/51841140277/in/album-72177720296206290/>
 
on the fender).  If I were to do it again, I'd go with a 6V-3W hub with 
rear wiring using this elegant approach proposed by Igor at VO 
<https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2019/10/petes-dynamo-polyvalent-with-shimano.html>
.

The "gotcha" with the Shimano dynamo hubs is that the wire connector cap 
and cover 
<https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=51235> is 
neither waterproof nor robust.  I've lost lights in more than 1 rain 
storm.  The connector cap has torn off more than once in normal riding.  
When I think about the value of one's time -- and the time spent 
maintaining the connector -- it starts to seem myopic not going with the 
SON. :-)

You asked about rims and spokes.  There are so many dynamo hub options out 
there (disc brake vs. rim brake; 32h vs. 36h vs. XXh; black vs. silver; 
etc. etc.), so you can get whatever you want/need.  I saved a ton of money 
trolling eBay remembering what Grant wrote in a Riv Reader more than a 
decade ago: "Mismatched rims are cool."

Cheers,
Will M
NYC  

 
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:38:30 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Speaking as someone with a few SON28 wheels, and the type of riding you 
> described, I'd suggest considering a $30 Paul Gino mount and a few $35 
> Cygolite lights a go before investing $500+ on a SON28 and Edelux headlight 
> (not including the cost for the cox-axial connector, rim, rim tape, spokes, 
> and nipples). But, I totally get it, Dyno hubs are awesome! Personally, I 
> hate having to look at the wiring and zip ties.
>
> Best
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 9:09:10 AM UTC-4 peec...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I have Velogical dynamo on my Sam Hillborne.  Love its elegance and the 
>> fact that I didn't have to change my front wheel and hub when I wanted to 
>> add dynamo lighting.  One other con to consider is the potential for 
>> slipping when riding in wet conditions.  The  Velogical has provided 
>> adequate light even when wet however.  Tim Petersen
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> Jason:
>>>
>>> You’ll hear many opinions—good luck sifting through the advice you will 
>>> get!
>>>
>>> I have both SON and Shutter Precision hubs and have not had any issues 
>>> with either. My SONs have ranged from the old-style type with flanges 
>>> pressed onto a center piece to the modern (and very pretty) type. I have 
>>> several variations of the SP hubs on various bikes.
>>>
>>> If money is no object, definitely go with SON, if only because they’re 
>>> so darn pretty. SP will perform just as well—I have not experienced the 
>>> “roughness” that one other respondent reported.
>>>
>>> Based on what I’ve read about SON and their weather sealing, the biggest 
>>> advantage that I know of is that they are pressure compensated; SP hubs are 
>>> not. That means that if you go from a warm, dry environment directly into a 
>>> cold and dry one, the SON hubs won’t draw in moisture as the air inside the 
>>> hub cools. SP hubs might, but for this to be a problem, you would have to 
>>> roll right out into a cold downpour. That’s an edge case for me and 
>>> something that has never been a problem.
>>>
>>> Finally … Have you considered the Velogical dynamo? I have one on an 
>>> Alex Singer, and it’s great. Pros: Cheaper than a dyno hub and wheel, very 
>>> low draw, ZERO drag in the “off” position, great German engineering, works 
>>> with any wheel. Cons: Sits outside on the frame, where it might be subject 
>>> to damage (not a problem for me in several years of use), makes a quiet 
>>> whirring noise when running, requires 

[RBW] Re: SimpleOne upgrade

[Will M]

Well done.  I particularly enjoy the images of the young boy wrenching the 
bike.  I have a son about the same age who helped me wrench the SimpleOne's 
older brother, the Quickbeam.  --Will 

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 9:53:23 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> BOY HOWDY
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:40:38 PM UTC-4 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey All!  I haven't posted much for content here so I thought I'd share 
>> some before and after shots of my SimpleOne.  I am the third owner and it 
>> had a hard life to say the least.  I love. that it was well used as all 
>> Rivendell bikes deserve, but I desired to give it a classy upgrade and 
>> start my own love marks on the gravel roads here in Nebraska and tours 
>> around the midwest.  I'm really pleased with how she turned out and I am 
>> already enjoying the new scuffs and bumps in the new adventures.
>>
>> Before:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52212931663/in/album-72177720300508394/
>>
>> After:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jason, also a pretty simple one
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day (last week) A New to me Quickbeam

[Will M]

Bill, I love the design constraints (one-day build, single-speed touring, 
AND low cost).  About 4 years ago, motivated by my Quickbeam's setup of 
"One Speed, One Cog, One God" (exactly, Patrick :) -- but needing 
significantly more luggage capacity than a Quickbeam for living car-free -- 
I did a VO Campeur single-speed conversion via a Surly Ultra New 
Singlespeed MTB Rear Hub and a Paul chain tensioner.  The Riv/Nitto Big 
Back Rack, naturally.  Porteur front rack.  Albatross bars. As you can 
see...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/28828007907/in/album-72157668716780897/

Darn thing ended up being $1200 more than my Quickbeam, and it took me 
weeks to build it, so I failed 2 of 3 of your constraints.  But I love the 
simplicity of singlespeed touring. :)

Cheers,
Will
  

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:12:08 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I had a chromed Soma Rush with a similar gear setup (two chainrings up 
> front and two cogs on a road wheelset). That was a wickedly fun bike to 
> mess around on and my first steps into non-conventional builds. Shoulda 
> kept it but at least it paid for our first couch. 
> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:46:51 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> hey bill looks great, and the pre-scratch & dent frames can be a little 
>> liberating, but even with the parts bin build, a quickbeam is always gonna 
>> look great!
>>
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:14:07 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That's an interesting project. The Puritan in me insists on "One Ring 
>>> One Cog One God" (and no g-d freewheel) as an old t-shirt from the fixie 
>>> fad era proclaimed, but I also have worked up devious ways to have my 
>>> single-fixed gear cake and multiple gear options to eat too.
>>>
>>> As to the contest, best ss touring/commuter/all rounder/beater ride for 
>>> the dollar, I have to recall one that got away, that early '90s rigid 
>>> top-end Diamond Back Axis Team (beautifully tapered, skinny straight leg 
>>> fork; no one can tell me that straight forks can't be beautiful) that I 
>>> converted with ENO hub to a 64" fixed gear all rounder with 60 mm Big 
>>> Apples. Perfectly neutral handling, high bb allowing you to pedal the 170 
>>> mm cranks around corners, tires that rolled acceptably on pavement, floated 
>>> over sand, and shrugged off goatheads even though this was 10 years before 
>>> good sealants. All this was achieved largely for the cost of the ENO hub, 
>>> as my brother gave me a family deal on the frameset and I had the other 
>>> bits lying around; but it has been too long for me to recall a total.
>>>
>>> I think this project beat out even that other low-cost fixed/ss project 
>>> using an early-gen Raleigh Technium sports tourer.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 1:41 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 A while back I posted a WTB for a 58cm Quickbeam.  I finally found a 
 frameset/wheelset on a trade.  It had all been ridden pretty hard as a 
 commuter, and that pre-installed beausage kind of liberated me from some 
 of 
 the usual perfectionist tendencies that I have with my builds.  

 A thread over on iBob showed off a ~$3000 Pro's Closet listing of a 
 Vanilla branded "single speed tourer", and one of the responders suggested 
 that we should have a build-off: build the nicest single speed tourer you 
 can for the minimum amount of money.  

 In response to that challenge I threw together a one-day build using 
 entirely stuff laying around in my parts collection.  Particularly 
 iconoclastic details include a gold anodized Nitto Pearl 11 stem, a 
 heavily 
 modified brakeset, and handlebar tape entirely fashioned from remnants.  
 Anyway, if you want to have a look, I've got a flickr album:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720300383026

 It's actually a 6-speed single speed.  In the album, there are 35/38 
 chainrings, a 20/22 Dos/ENO freewheel on one side and a 17T fixed cog on 
 the other.  I did some calculations targeted at utilizing the generously 
 long Quickbeam dropouts, and decided I can get away with 40/34 chainrings, 
 which I also had on-hand on the chainring board.  I have a 16/18 freewheel 
 on the way, and then I'll convert it to an 8-speed singlespeed, with gears 
 ranging from 43 to 69 inches.  

 There's another order in the works to make this 'Beam even weirder, but 
 that project is a few weeks out.  We'll see if this build concept makes 
 its 
 way onto a Roaduno.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 17 updates in 6 topics

[Will M]

 through 1-2 chains per year (despite religious 
>> monthly maintenance), derailleurs every 2-4 years, complete overhaul of all 
>> the brake and shifter cables annually.  The winter salt spray is the 
>> culprit. 
>>
>> One might take further cues from the bicycle delivery guys in my city.  
>> They go for massive homemade mudflaps, helmets with integrated face 
>> shields, and cycling rain parkas that extend to the handlebars. 
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Will M
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 9:49 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/rbw-owners-bunch/topics>
>>>  Google 
>>> Groups 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview>
>>>  
>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview>
>>>  
>>> Topic digest 
>>> View all topics 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/rbw-owners-bunch/topics>
>>>  
>>>
>>>- Carradice SQR Slim (16 litres) + **3** seatpost brackets + extra 
>>>kit $150 shipped CONUS 
>>>
>>> <#m_-5345343897482045242_m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_0>
>>>  
>>>- 2 Updates 
>>>- Rain! What do you ride? 
>>>
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>>>  
>>>- 8 Updates 
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>>>
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>>>  
>>>- 4 Updates 
>>>- FS: The brakelevers you want for your Gus or Susie build 
>>>
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>>>  
>>>- 1 Update 
>>>- FS: Rivendell tee, Big Agnes pad, derailers (mostly free), wool, 
>>>etc. 
>>>
>>> <#m_-5345343897482045242_m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_4>
>>>  
>>>- 1 Update 
>>>- FS: Good basic 700C road wheelset 
>>>
>>> <#m_-5345343897482045242_m_1920970749952569804_m_434723051062270923_group_thread_5>
>>>  
>>>- 1 Update 
>>>
>>> Carradice SQR Slim (16 litres) + **3** seatpost brackets + extra kit 
>>> $150 shipped CONUS 
>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/t/ac3efd7bfe28ddd1?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email>
>>>  
>>> Patrick Moore : Jun 27 01:35PM -0600 
>>>
>>> VG condition. A bit of dust. The scuff plate looks worse in the photo 
>>> than
>>> it is in real life.
>>>  
>>> Bag + 3 seatpost-mount QR brackets + many extra brackets of different 
>>> sizes.
>>>  
>>> 16 litres capacity; for perspective, the Nelson sans Longflap but with 
>>> side
>>> pockets has an 18 litre capcity.
>>>  
>>> This fit my Matthews 1:1 with tires almost 30" tall and fenders over 
>>> those,
>>> with room to expose the 2 Seculites attached to seatstay rack bosses.
>>>  
>>> Please reply offlist to bertin753 [at] gmail.com.
>>>  
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
>>> PS: A TA 170 mm Pro 5 Vis crankset (actually, arms, single very used 46 t
>>> ring + ss hardware) in otherwise v good condition may soon be advertised
>>> for sale; watch this space.
>>>  
>>> -- 
>>>  
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>> Patrick Moore : Jun 28 02:45AM -0600 
>>>
>>> I forgot to include the 2 bag-mount frames that allow you to use the SQR
>>> release with Nelson or Camper or other similar saddlebags. Prices still
>>> $150 shipped CONUS.
>>>  
>>> One of these frames has been bent about to get it to work in various odd
>>> situations, and the resulting marks covered with tape; it still works 
>>> fine.
>>> The other frame is as new.
>>>  
>>> ---
>>>  
>>> VG condition. A bit of dust. The scuff plate looks worse in the photo 
>>> than
>>> it is in real life.
>>>  
>>> Bag + 3 seatpost-mount QR bra

[RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Will M]

Minh, I have a 62cm QB with the brazed-on mid-fork rack mounts and a Mark's 
Rack; everything you've described is exactly what I've encountered with a 
zip-tied Wald 139.  I moved the Wald 139 to a Riv/Nitto Two-Strut Top Rack 
on my 1990s Cannondale adventure touring bike (with fork rake/trail 
geometry for heavy front loads) and wow what a difference.  Case of beer? 
 No problem.  (Picture 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/25732185204/in/album-72157607836895923/>.)
  
That car battery and watermelon would be easy.  Not  so on the QB. I've 
tried a VO Porteur rack and it didn't improve the "shimmy feeling" you 
described.  My view (as others have commented) is that what you've got is 
about as good as it gets on a QB.  Handsome bike pictured there on Pier 
25!  --Will M, NYC 

On Friday, June 17, 2022 at 9:44:12 PM UTC-4 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:

> hope no one minds me adding a "data point" so late in the game, thread's 
> relevancy popped up on this monthly errand
>
> 4 miles round trip, unavoidable curb drops and potholes included, done 
> frequently for two years now with wobbles but no breaking/braking
>
> in the pic it's a smaller wald basket hose clamped on a nitto rack with 
> whateva steel m5 bolts to a surly lht fork, old tube bøngee pro move
> ~*~ 30lb dog food bag + lock + plastic bag to fill with goumies back there 
> ~*~
>
> whole bike is goofy af with the surly fork anyway so I don't notice the 
> noticeable rack flex :)
>
> also have a 650b rando bike bechested by fabiccio, dunno if the dog food 
> bag would fit in it but a 30lb dumbbell piloted by this slightly heavier 
> dumbbell could survive thanks to the big ol velcro straps on the bars
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 3:04:07 PM UTC-5 John P. in SF wrote:
>
>> Hi Minh
>>
>> First thing I would do is move the basket so that it rests against the 
>> tombstone of the rack. It looks from your picture that you have the basket 
>> an inch or two forward - this is problematic. Moving the basket to rest 
>> against the tombstone will minimize flex in your rack and also, in general, 
>> keeping the load in the basket close to the headtube helps to keep things 
>> stable. It may fix your problem overall.
>>
>> The basket does not need to be rigidly attached to the rack. I have often 
>> employed a used up road tube to tie the basket to the rack - tie a square 
>> knot in one corner, wrap the tube around the rack and the basket with a 
>> fair amount of tension on the tube, and then another square knot on the 
>> other end. A simple knot will suffice for the end also if you tuck the end 
>> of the tube between the basket and the rack to keep the knot from being 
>> undone. This is reliable and repeatable. I can pick up my bikes by the 
>> basket when I do this. Old tubes make nice tie downs, in my experience.
>>
>> Cheers, John P. in SF
>>
>> OT - if someone in the SF bay area wants to part with a Clem L 59 
>> frameset we may be able to strike a deal. plz reply off list.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 9:00:22 AM UTC-7 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how 
>>> i carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
>>> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
>>> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
>>> other options.  
>>>
>>> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>>>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
>>> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
>>> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
>>> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>>>
>>> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
>>> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
>>> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTT: 44cm Nitto Noodle Bars

[Will M]

Hi all.  I've got a 44cm Nitto Noodle 177 drop bar, but I'd be happier with 
46 or 48cm.  It's clean (a few light scratches but no tape residue; 
straight and true and never crashed). 

Anyone out there got a 46cm or a 48cm that is a little wide for you?  
Probably a long shot, but I thought I'd ask about a trade.  I'd consider 
similar wider bars, such as the old Dirt Drop, etc.

Cheers,
-Will M

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[RBW] Re: Looking for 62cm Quickbeam

[Will M]

Gosh, that 62cm QB frame/fork/headset on eBay went for $805 today; above the 
seller's buy-it-now price.  Jeremy, were you the winner? I'm also hoping to 
find a 62cm QB or SimpleOne to make my primary daily city commuter -- if 
anyone's got an older/more beat one they're lookin' to part out. I s'pose 
Jeremy is ahead of me in the queue. --Will

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[RBW] Re: Anyone mounted a rear fender on rear brake bridge bottom screw hole?

[Will M]

The prior owner of my 2004 Rambouillet drilled out and tapped a 10/32 
thread into the bottom of the rear brake boss to make fender mounting 
cleaner and easier.  Works great!

On Sunday, July 21, 2013 1:28:20 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> Is this advisable since there are so few threads and the brake bolt fills 
> the bridge cylinder?
>  
> I could use a really short screw with a panhead, but not sure how many 
> turns I could get in there and if it would hold. Maybe just three.
>  
> My Sam's Longboard slides around thru the metal mounting  bridge that came 
> with it that attaches to the brake bolt because of my saddle bag, and then 
> the fender rubs the tire. So I am thinking that if I drill a hole thru the 
> top of the fender, I could mount it to that brake bridge hole and it 
> wouldn't move around anymore. Whaddya think?
>

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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[Will M]

Some may recall a 11/23/2008 post on this list called "Broken Rambouillet" 
by Mike where his Rambouillet cracked where the chainstay meets the 
dropout.

Here is the crack and Mike's quick fix in the 
field: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157609818335769

Of course the folks at RBW were excellent about the repair, and the bike 
received new paint (a variant of Quickbeam Orange if I recall).  I am now 
the caretaker of the bike and it's going strong. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/sets/72157626161174071  

On Monday, June 17, 2013 11:09:57 AM UTC-4, chris wrote:
>
> I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
> broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
> in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
> to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
> regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
> Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.
>
> Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
> the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.
>
> Chris
> San Jose
>

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[RBW] Riv on Flickr

[Will M]

Hi all.  This is interesting. I was having fun quietly shooting my 
Rambouillet (with my grandfather's circa-1950 Leica lenses and 
supersaturated Fuji Velvia color slide film), and posting the images to the 
Rivendell Bicycles Flickr pool for y'all to see. Then for whatever reason 
Flickr selected one (http://flic.kr/p/ef3nDF) among the top 500 images 
uploaded on April 29, 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/explore).  Why this 
image?  I've seen better photography in the Rivendell Bicycles Flickr group 
(a big fan of sferranti's postings).

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[RBW] Vintage Video

[Will M]

Who remembers a thread from January 2008 when Gino posted links to
vintage U.K. bicycle touring videos (which then spurred several
discussions related to Rivendell vs. 1940-50s bicycle design)?  This
one:

http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/13f349844c2263cc

In that spirit, did you see that a 1945 promotional/documentary film
of bicycle manufacture at Raleigh was recently released by British
Council Films?

http://vimeo.com/39401575 (17 minutes)

It’s fun to compare/contrast bicycle mass production of 1945 to one’s
favorite modern builder in, say, Toyo Japan or Waterford WI.

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[RBW] Re: NYC Bike Shops

[Will M]

Howdy -- a NYC shop I've been wanting to visit is Brooklyn's new
www.bespoke-bicycles.com.  Learned about them when the founder posted
this on EcoVelo: http://bit.ly/hkvbwf ... Rivish?

In Manhattan, has anyone found anything more Rivish than Bicycle
Habitat (244 & 250 Lafayette Street)?

I've been having fun taking my Ram to my LBS (Sids on W 19th St) which
caters to racers and "urban hipsters" and is decidedly non-Rivish.  I
say "fun" because every time I swing by with the bike, I educate the
employees a little about how bikes should be designed.  (The bike gets
a lot of attention from customers and employees alike when in their
shop.  "What is that?"  "Cool bike, man."  "How old is that bike,
dude?" "Why do you have such a huge frame?")  For a while they had a
mechanic from SF who knew all about Bridgestone and Riv, but he went
back home.

I second the vote for rivbike.com and roadtrips to Harris in W.
Newton, MA.

Will



On May 5, 2:56 pm, Cycletex  wrote:
> Anyone have NYC bike shop suggestions that a Riv lover shouldn't miss
> out on?

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Rambouillet Frameset

[Will M]

Hi all,

Back in November I posted something about selling/trading my 64cm
Rambouillet frameset, but nothing really worked out.  So I just listed
it on eBay starting at $1 to let "the market" decide its value.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290543087747

The full description is at the link above.  Happy to answer any
questions offline.

Will
NYC

PS I'm now enjoying a 62cm Ram (thanks Mike J).  When I bought the
64cm Ram in late 2007, both Keven and John at Rivendell said with my
PBH (89.5cm) that I could go with a 64cm if I wanted the bars a bit
higher or the 62cm if I wanted the bars a bit lower.  Wish I'd known
how much I'd like the Ram with the bars a bit lower. :-)

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[RBW] Front racks with fender bosses for the Ram?

[Will M]

I’ve been talking offline to Mike “Leaf Slayer” about this; thought
I’d open up the question to a larger audience.

If you had a Ram (i.e., standard caliper brakes) and Riv's fork braze-
ons for a small front rack, the Mark’s Rack is the best choice right?
(i.e., this http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/4436889284)

But what if you also wanted a front rack with a fender attachment boss
under the middle cross-piece, a la the Nitto M12?  Has anyone here
found such a rack with a fender boss that works with caliper brakes
and the Rivendell rack braze-ons (without going custom)?  Thanks.

Will

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[RBW] Re: SimpleTwo?

[Will M]

I know there have been a number of successful Quickbeam internally-
geared hub conversions discussed on this list.  The one that inspired
me most is by Eric Norris (post = http://bit.ly/9gyfnB; pics =
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4225472677 ).

But Eric switched back to singlespeed and sold the Sturmey-Archer.
(post = http://bit.ly/9amjYM)  Wonder why.



On Nov 21, 10:50 am, "Thomas Lynn Skean" 
wrote:
> Hi, all!
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the sorta new Sturmey-Archer duomatic 
> hub? If so... Are they of reasonable quality (as opposed to being a novelty 
> or a fashion-gimmick or something intended for a department-store  bike)? If 
> you have no experience but would venture an opinion, would you *expect* them 
> to be of reasonable quality? (I know nothing about the modern Sturmey-Archer 
> company or about low-gear-count IGHs at all.)
>
> Could you imagine one on a Quickbeam/SimpleOne?
>
> I like the idea of a singlespeed bike. But I expect that with my weight 
> (~240ish) and given that I have already flirted with slight knee pain, riding 
> a singlespeed bike very much would not be my favorite thing (or the smartest 
> thing) to do. Over time, I expect that launches would challenge my knees with 
> any gearing that I could contemplate cruising in. I understand that the 
> SimpleOne is designed to be more than just a singlespeed. But I know me; I 
> really can't see me hopping off the bike and moving the rear wheel whenever I 
> needed to exploit that fact.
>
> However, I've done some gearing arithmetic and have concluded that I might be 
> happy with the two-speed duomatic hub. I could imagine launching in "low" 
> (somewhat carefully) and then cruising in "high" (somewhat spinningly). But 
> the "carefully" and "Spinningly" parts would be generally "good things to do" 
> sometimes anyway. And, though I am in now way tired of biking the way I do 
> now, I am on the lookout for ways to "mix it up" so as to keep riding as long 
> as possible (think numbers of years, not distance per ride). I'm thinking the 
> duomatic might even prove a "gateway hub" to actual singlespeed riding 
> (theory being that if I keep riding in general, and sometimes a two-speed in 
> particular, I'll continue to get healthier and become less vulnerable to knee 
> pain as a result). I'm not remotely considering doing away with multi-speed 
> riding (why would I leave my home in Hillborne heaven?).
>
> I've had uniformly bad experiences with multi-speed IGHs in the past (7- and 
> 8-speed Shimanos of 5+ years ago). But I'm open to the idea that, with the 
> duomatic being a two-speed and with IGHs having perhaps improved as they've 
> become more popular in the mainstream since then, it might not give me 
> problems like those hubs of yore.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
> P.S.
> One possibility I'm considering is a completely cable-less SimpleOne with the 
> coaster-brake version of the duomatic. That's the way I often rode bikes 
> growing up; one rear brake, one rear gear. Though there'd be complexity 
> hidden in the hub, the rest of the bike would be as simple as it gets.

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[RBW] Re: NY/PA/NJ Rivendell Rally - Spring 2011

[Will M]

I've been thinking that the folks in the Bay Area have the Rivendell
Rides, and so we east-coasters should have something too.  Also
interested and can help with route planning if needed.  Up for just
about anything.

Will
NYC


On Nov 14, 9:43 pm, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Add on more from Rochester (work schedule permitting)!
>
> -Aaron Young
> Rochester, NY
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > OK, response so far has been excellent... we could have ourselves a
> > decent crowd for this!!!  I'm pumped.  I also took a good look at the
> > PineCreekRides.com site... and I think Wellsboro PA has EXCELLENT
> > potential for our weekend Rally.  There are lots of hotels, inns and
> > B&B's (which can suit a variety of tastes and budgets).  The town of
> > Wellsboro has a quaint commercial district with plenty of stores,
> > restaurants etc... and easy access to the Pine Creek Gorge (and
> > surrounding area) with a really nice variety of back road rides...
> > Moreover (as some of you have shared concerns about doing a 35-50-mile
> > ride), these loops are conducive to shortening (with bailout options
> > at different points for groups who would prefer to take a shorter
> > loop).  And Wellsboro has restaurants and taverns, so they MUST HAVE
> > BEER!
>
> > I will contact a few of the hotels and inns in the area, as well as
> > the owner of that website to get his opinion if by staying in
> > Wellsboro, we can get what we need in terms of hotels and access to
> > rides... Stay tuned.
>
> > Peace,
> > BB
>
> > On Nov 14, 3:23 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
> > wrote:
> > > VERY KIND OF YOU, AJ... THANKS!
>
> > > I'm already checking into a few potential spots... One potential might
> > > be the Pine Creek Gorge (aka the "Grand Canyon of PA"), located near
> > > Wellsboro (in north-central PA)... it features a very long rail trail
> > > through the scenic gorge, and is considered one of the top 10 in the
> > > US Also there appear to be many nice back road options in the
> > > area...http://www.pinecreekbikerides.com/(althoughI only briefly
> > > looked at this)... It looks like it has great potential.
>
> > > Anyone from the region with knowledge of Pine Creek (or any other
> > > possibilities), please let me know... THANKS!
>
> > > BB
>
> > > On Nov 14, 1:56 pm, AJ  wrote:
>
> > > > Good thought BB, I have a couple of road worthy riv's if anyone wants
> > > > to borrow one (60-61cm) for the rally.
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > AJ
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[RBW] Re: matching saddle and handlebar tape

[Will M]

For what it's worth, I found 7 coats of Zinsser Bulls Eye amber
shellac (www.epinions.com/Paint-Zinsser_Bulls_Eye_Amber_Shellac_1_Pt)
on the tan cork tape (http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/cork-
handlebar-tape/16-130) to be a touch lighter than the B17 honey:
www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/3571125023.  I also found the Brooks
leather handlebar tape the wrong shade: 
www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/2492635988
.




On Nov 13, 10:05 pm, Angus  wrote:
> It'll rarely be a perfect matchgo for contrast...or do what I did,
> which is give up entirely.
>
> Angus
>
> On Nov 12, 11:12 pm, chef  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello. First time post here. I've been reading for a while though:)
> > Thanks for all the info, its been great. I'm installing interrupters
> > on my hilsen and I might be able to salvage the tape job, but if
> > not. I would like some advice on what tape and shellac to use to
> > closely match a honey colored b17. Doesn't need to be perfect, if
> > anything I think a little darker would be better. Any info would be
> > much appreciated.

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[RBW] Re: double top tube working bike

[Will M]

Yeah, every time I travel to South America, I am reminded of the
double-top-tube designs by RBW (AHH, etc.).  Many look like the one in
the original post (including push-rod brakes); many like this:
http://bit.ly/9FvsPl (Flickr).




On Sep 13, 2:35 pm, jlvota  wrote:
> That guy's really using his head
>
> On Sep 11, 11:33 am, "Rene Valbuena"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > []
>
> >  image001.jpg
> > 58KViewDownload

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