[RBW] Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[max.c....@gmail.com]

First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people and 
I'm okay with that!

For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles 
each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do 
it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like 
riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 

I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
the itch to upgrade.

Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?



Thanks in advance!
Max

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[RBW] Re: BOB List

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No worries in suggesting the typical fixes. I have tried clearing cache in 
chrome and using Microsoft Edge; same results every time. Additional, in 
Google Groups, iBob is not listed in My groups as I've never been able to 
successfully access the page and therefore can't subscribe. I'm pretty 
stumped! I've tried emailing the admins over there with no avail, though 
I'm sure they have a lot on their plates.

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 3:03:29 PM UTC-6 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> I last logged into it 45 seconds ago, so it definitely works.
>
> At the risk of using the tech guy's boilerplate question that's always 
> taken as an insult (*did you turn it off, then turn it back on again?*), 
> have you all tried clearing the cache out of your respective browsers? 
> Cache files can get corrupted. If you keep trying to load a page that the 
> browser has already cached as unavailable, the browser may keep reloading 
> the "NO!" page from its cache, instead of going to the server and loading 
> the data that's there. Check the Preferences menu item in your browser; the 
> "clear cache" option is usually placed there.
>
> You might also try a different browser, which may not have a screwed-up 
> cache for iBOB.
>
> If you're logged into Google Groups through a browser, there should be a 
> sidebar on the left. Try clicking "My groups", and "internet-bob" should be 
> in your group list if you're a subscriber. Click on that link instead, and 
> see if you get different results.
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 12:53:08 PM UTC-8 max.c@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This link pops up as unavailable for me as well. I've tried it on three 
>> different google accounts several times over the past 4 months with no 
>> success
>
>

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[RBW] Re: BOB List

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This link pops up as unavailable for me as well. I've tried it on three 
different google accounts several times over the past 4 months with no 
success

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wrote:

> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob
>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 10:38:37 AM UTC-8 Jock Dewey wrote:
>
>> Hey, Y'all:
>>
>> I somehow lost my connection to the BOB list. And I can't find the link 
>> to get back on. I have found an old one, but it pops up 'content 
>> unavailable.'
>>
>> Can one of you good folks help me out? Many tanx.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

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Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have 
with it? :)

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a 
> lot for around 3 years.
>
> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne about 
> a year ago and have been riding it more.
>
> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty 
> good stuff. 
>
> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
>
> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>
> I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
> custom touring bike.
>
> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
> riding performance or feel or whatever. 
>
> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>
> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
> chrome finish.
>
> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
> Non original fork , I don't care for,
> however will only take a 32.
>
> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 59CM

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I am so sad I missed this! Happy riding to the new owner.

If anyone else out there is looking to make a similar sale...holler

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 7:40:25 PM UTC-5 brenpe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello Everyone, 
>
> Thank you all for your interest in my Atlantis the bike has *SOLD*. 
>
> Cheers,
> Bren 
>
> On Aug 16, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Brenden Perella  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
>
>
> I just received my 61 Toyo Atlantis and have been currently owning/riding 
> a 59cm Atlantis for around 7 months. It’s a beautiful bike and a great ride 
> it has always been a place holder for the Toyo…so I am interested in 
> selling the 59cm. I would like to sell it to another Riv enthusiast like 
> myself so I decided to try listing it here first. 
>
> I’m selling it as is in the photos not a complete build but some great 
> bones for one… 
>
> This includes - 
> Frame & Fork - Rivendell Atlantis 59CM 
> Headset - FSA
> Crankset & BB - IRD Cranks are 172.5mm 
> Wheels are mismatched built by a good friend…
> Front Wheel -Velocity Dyad with Shimano Tiagra front hub 
> Rear wheel - Velocity Atlas with Shimano Deore LX hub 
> 700c x 38 Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires 
> **REAR CASSETTE NOT INCLUDED** 
>
> PRICE - $1,400.00 including all listed above! 
> Shipping Price - will have to be discussed after the bike is purchased. 
>
> I am including some photos below -The bike is in incredible shape and has 
> only ever lived indoors. I included the minimal paint chips and or 
> scratches but please ask if you want to see more photos. (Including a photo 
> of it fully built to give you an idea of how it looks all built up) 
>
> All additional photos can be viewed via this link - 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/193708122@N07/albums/72157719742627665
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

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Thanks for the reply Gabriel -- looks like it's a bit too small for me. I 
think I'm just a victim of wishful thinking; I'd love to find a used 
Atlantis but I don't want to sacrifice fit just to finally have one!

On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Hargrove wrote:

> Max,
>
> Here's a chart from Rivendell's site circa 2007 to align your PBH with the 
> appropriate frame size. FWIW, I have an 82 PBH, and this same frame (56, 
> 2007)- it fits me better than an other off the shelf bike I've owned. I'll 
> include the 56cm geo in case you're curious. I'd also go so far as to say 
> that with a pair of Paul Motolites, this could probably function well as a 
> 650b frame, as well.
>
> Gabriel
> Huntington Beach, CA
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 9:30:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I think you're right, that looks like an early Toyo Atlantis "2" with the 
>> pointed head lug and I think those tires say Rat Trap Pass on them. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:37:43 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is my 
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Ian A Alberta Canada
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:
>>>
 With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  
 efforts to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B 
 wheelset.  I will add more information this evening... 
 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.

 Please let me know if interested... am in MA.

 Thanks,
 -John



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

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Hey John, I am interested. Do you know what range of PBH this frame would 
be appropriate for?

Thanks,
Max

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:42:09 PM UTC-5 John Carey wrote:

> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  efforts 
> to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B wheelset.  I will 
> add more information this evening... 
> 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.
>
> Please let me know if interested... am in MA.
>
> Thanks,
> -John
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

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Dumb question -- is there any way to make this thread display the newest 
posts at the top? I keep having to scroll through 100+ posts...sorry if I'm 
missing it!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Atlantis MIT (650B)

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Do you have the geometry for this year? Mostly interested in what the 
appropriate PBH range is. Thanks!

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 11:12:44 PM UTC-5 Ian Dickson wrote:

> Wheels are sold. I might have a buyer for the frame, but not totally sure 
> yet.
>
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 12:46:18 AM UTC-6 Ian Dickson wrote:
>
>> Sale is pending on the wheels. That was quick.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 12:26:19 AM UTC-6 Ian Dickson wrote:
>>
>>> I'm selling my Atlantis. Frame, fork and headset, $1100 plus actual cost 
>>> of shipping via bikeflights. I rode this quite a bit, mostly on the road, 
>>> until I got my Sam. Then I didn't ride it all. I can't say why I prefer the 
>>> Sam -- they both ride great, my speed was the same on both bikes, and the 
>>> Atlantis is more versatile. I just really like the Sam. 
>>>
>>> Frame is generally in great shape, with some tiny chips and three 
>>> significant gouges to the paint. The worst is on the drive-side chainstay, 
>>> from a chainsuck incident (I wouldn't go past 2.1" tires on this frame if I 
>>> were you). There's another on a seatstay, and one on the bottom bracket 
>>> shell. You can see them well enough in the flickr photos. It's just paint 
>>> damage, but you'll want to seal those spots with something. I have never 
>>> crashed this bike.
>>>
>>> I've also got a pair of Velocity-built wheels (these 
>>> )
>>>  
>>> that I'll throw in for $200 if you want them. If somebody wants the wheels 
>>> but not the bike, they're yours for $250 shipped. 
>>>
>>> More photos here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmW8ZTTf
>>> [image: Atlantis right.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

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Haha, that got a laugh out of me! I'm saving as we speak...

On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 9:21:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Money buys lugs and butted tubing, baby. Buy up! 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 6:18:17 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> If there is one thing you can count on this group for, it's the up-sell. 
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 6:10 PM max.c@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all for weighing in -- it's been helpful! It has made me think 
>>> (so far) that the Clem would give me more of what I currently have with my 
>>> mid 80s Schwinn Cimarron and the Atlantis would give me a new experience, 
>>> which is what I think I'm after.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 6:19:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's a good point, Joe - I think the Clem's tubing is "tuned" to 
>>>> carry a load. Thinking more about it, the bike rode best when it was 
>>>> loaded 
>>>> down for me.  I imagine this is true of the Atlantis too but perhaps more 
>>>> of a lightweight camp gear load, not heavy groceries load.  
>>>>
>>>> I was also on the 45cm H model, which is the stiffest possible option 
>>>> in terms of triangulation (tight front triangle, and relatively short 45cm 
>>>> stays).  That could have a lot to do with it. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 4:16 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's definitely different, you just have to know what you want a bike 
>>>>> to do. I've owned several Clems (both styles) and they all have an unique 
>>>>> ability to gain momentum and keep it..like once you get up to speed it 
>>>>> kinda wants to stay there. But it's a relatively heavy cruiser which 
>>>>> isn't 
>>>>> going to win any races, especially up hill. Its trick is it will carry 
>>>>> lots 
>>>>> of stuff all day and leave you alone to sit up and look around at the 
>>>>> scenery. A great bike for the things it's supposed to be great at, in my 
>>>>> opinion.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 4:04:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This interests me, since I've thought of a Clem as a budget "cruiser" 
>>>>>> addition to my bike wardrobe. "Cruiser" covers a multitude of sins 
>>>>>> (quoting 
>>>>>> St Paul out of context), but all equal, I'd prefer a frame that didn't 
>>>>>> feel 
>>>>>> dead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Others: Do you find the Clem "non-lively" compared to other (which?) 
>>>>>> Riv frames?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick "OTOH, my perfectly acceptable 2012 Monocog frame does not 
>>>>>> present itself as 'dead'" Moore
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 4:56 PM Jason Fuller  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...  it cannot be overstated that the Clem is a utility bike through 
>>>>>>> and through:  the tubing is heavy and offers no liveliness of ride ...
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

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Thanks all for weighing in -- it's been helpful! It has made me think (so 
far) that the Clem would give me more of what I currently have with my mid 
80s Schwinn Cimarron and the Atlantis would give me a new experience, which 
is what I think I'm after.

On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 6:19:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> That's a good point, Joe - I think the Clem's tubing is "tuned" to carry a 
> load. Thinking more about it, the bike rode best when it was loaded down 
> for me.  I imagine this is true of the Atlantis too but perhaps more of a 
> lightweight camp gear load, not heavy groceries load.  
>
> I was also on the 45cm H model, which is the stiffest possible option in 
> terms of triangulation (tight front triangle, and relatively short 45cm 
> stays).  That could have a lot to do with it. 
>
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 4:16 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> It's definitely different, you just have to know what you want a bike to 
>> do. I've owned several Clems (both styles) and they all have an unique 
>> ability to gain momentum and keep it..like once you get up to speed it 
>> kinda wants to stay there. But it's a relatively heavy cruiser which isn't 
>> going to win any races, especially up hill. Its trick is it will carry lots 
>> of stuff all day and leave you alone to sit up and look around at the 
>> scenery. A great bike for the things it's supposed to be great at, in my 
>> opinion.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 4:04:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> This interests me, since I've thought of a Clem as a budget "cruiser" 
>>> addition to my bike wardrobe. "Cruiser" covers a multitude of sins (quoting 
>>> St Paul out of context), but all equal, I'd prefer a frame that didn't feel 
>>> dead.
>>>
>>> Others: Do you find the Clem "non-lively" compared to other (which?) Riv 
>>> frames?
>>>
>>> Patrick "OTOH, my perfectly acceptable 2012 Monocog frame does not 
>>> present itself as 'dead'" Moore
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 4:56 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
 ...  it cannot be overstated that the Clem is a utility bike through 
 and through:  the tubing is heavy and offers no liveliness of ride ...

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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

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Thanks for the feedback Jimmy!

On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:37:29 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> I’m an Atlantis owner and a family member of a Clem owner, which I have 
> ridden. Disclaimer: that Clem is 2 cm above my ideal size.
>
> If it were me, I’d save up and get an Atlantis, especially if pre-owned. A 
> used one probably has less tire room, but still has a lot of tire room, and 
> the newest ones, according to the Riv site fit 2.4”, which I think matches 
> the Clem. And it rides better, more efficient. It’s all around a more 
> versatile bike if you’re looking for a do-all with road-riding in mind as 
> well as trails.
>
> And even if you find one of the oldest models (mine’s generation 1 from 
> 2000) the tire clearance will still be close to 2”. And the tire room only 
> got better as the model evolved from 2000 to now.
>
> I’ve used my Atlantis for every kind of riding I enjoy (which does not 
> include steep downhill fast rocky mountain biking!)
>
> Touring - amazing
> Dirt road bike packing - amazing
> Commuting - amazing
> Cross country mountain biking and dirt climbing - amazing
> Drop bar road riding - very good
>
> - Jimmy W.
>
> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:33 AM, max.c@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and 
> bank account align...at least that's my hope. 
>
> I browse a lot of used listings and sometimes will see a deal pop up that 
> I'm interested in, but feel like I don't have enough info to confidently 
> purchase. Looking for some insight especially from those who have ridden 
> multiple Riv models.
>
> I have a special nostalgia for the Rivendell Atlantis -- the color, the 
> geometry; it just seems like my dream bike and I don't have a 
> justification. The price is steep, though. I have been curious what the 
> difference in ride quality is when compared with the Clem H, as that's more 
> in my price range and I see used ones come up for sale much more 
> frequently. Obviously it's a different look and I'm missing lugs, etc, but 
> it does have those crazy long stays. What's the difference in ride quality? 
> Especially if I'm riding upright.
>
> A couple of notes: I live in very flat Dallas, I primarily use my bike as 
> a commuter (towing my HappiSack) with a 10 mile radius but would also like 
> to do some light touring. My preferred set up is riding upright.
>
> If anyone else would care to weigh in with a comparison between the ride 
> quality of the Atlantis and other Riv models, I'd be interested in those 
> too! Just trying to arm myself with information in a market where I often 
> am shopping online and unable to try before I buy.
>
> Thanks,
> Max
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[RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[max.c....@gmail.com]

Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and 
bank account align...at least that's my hope. 

I browse a lot of used listings and sometimes will see a deal pop up that 
I'm interested in, but feel like I don't have enough info to confidently 
purchase. Looking for some insight especially from those who have ridden 
multiple Riv models.

I have a special nostalgia for the Rivendell Atlantis -- the color, the 
geometry; it just seems like my dream bike and I don't have a 
justification. The price is steep, though. I have been curious what the 
difference in ride quality is when compared with the Clem H, as that's more 
in my price range and I see used ones come up for sale much more 
frequently. Obviously it's a different look and I'm missing lugs, etc, but 
it does have those crazy long stays. What's the difference in ride quality? 
Especially if I'm riding upright.

A couple of notes: I live in very flat Dallas, I primarily use my bike as a 
commuter (towing my HappiSack) with a 10 mile radius but would also like to 
do some light touring. My preferred set up is riding upright.

If anyone else would care to weigh in with a comparison between the ride 
quality of the Atlantis and other Riv models, I'd be interested in those 
too! Just trying to arm myself with information in a market where I often 
am shopping online and unable to try before I buy.

Thanks,
Max

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