Re: [RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
on 1/13/10 9:25 PM, rcnute at rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: > Why not clearance for JBs and fenders, wonders I? > I think GP is being a little careful with the description at this point. There are a whole heckuvalotta variables between now and when the finished production frames show up - things could change slightly, they may be slightly off-spec in the production models - and it's probably better to have someone happier than expected rather than mad because some early statements didn't quite end up correct. His comment about fender mounting gives hope - "It's versatile because it fits tires up to 38mm, or 30mm with a fender. How "fenderable" any bike is depends partly on how good you are with mounting fenders, but I've built in as much fenderability as standard (not short) reach brakes allow, and if you're halfway decent with fenders, you can probably go up to 32mm, or even 33.333." That combined with the not-quite-Hilsen brake spec (>57, vs >73) would probably lead one to be a bit conservative at this point. - Jim -- -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines "That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace." William Gibson - "All Tomorrow's Parties" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
Why not clearance for JBs and fenders, wonders I? On Jan 13, 10:20 am, rperks wrote: > From following Rivendell/Grant for a while I would imagine that these > types of projects really are the fruits of their labors. It takes the > intelectual property and designs for a deeper penatration into the > masses. The next stop would be packaging them as completes and > getting them into the corner bikestore. I look forward to hunting > these down on Craigs list as "Vintage" in 20 or 30 years. > > Rob > > On Jan 13, 10:05 am, Esteban wrote: > > > I think this will work out quite nicely for Rivendell. Remember the > > pain of managing the QBP partnership with the Bleriot? Soma will > > manage the bike, and Riv gets to see more people on a more sensible > > road bike. > > > If someone walks into a Soma dealer and sees the SOMA/AMOS in the > > shop, the upslope on the top tub will seem much less dramatic than on > > other bikes, especially the less-sensible and much more expensive > > crabon fibré bikes next to it. For me, I like a horizontal (or near- > > horizontal) TT, but I'm not shopping for a SOMA/AMOS - perhaps not the > > target market. > > > This bike will do well, and will really stand out against the other > > steel bikes newly released by Specialized, etc. > > > Esteban > > San Diego, Calif. > > > On Jan 13, 9:20 am, RoadieRyan wrote: > > snip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
>From following Rivendell/Grant for a while I would imagine that these types of projects really are the fruits of their labors. It takes the intelectual property and designs for a deeper penatration into the masses. The next stop would be packaging them as completes and getting them into the corner bikestore. I look forward to hunting these down on Craigs list as "Vintage" in 20 or 30 years. Rob On Jan 13, 10:05 am, Esteban wrote: > I think this will work out quite nicely for Rivendell. Remember the > pain of managing the QBP partnership with the Bleriot? Soma will > manage the bike, and Riv gets to see more people on a more sensible > road bike. > > If someone walks into a Soma dealer and sees the SOMA/AMOS in the > shop, the upslope on the top tub will seem much less dramatic than on > other bikes, especially the less-sensible and much more expensive > crabon fibré bikes next to it. For me, I like a horizontal (or near- > horizontal) TT, but I'm not shopping for a SOMA/AMOS - perhaps not the > target market. > > This bike will do well, and will really stand out against the other > steel bikes newly released by Specialized, etc. > > Esteban > San Diego, Calif. > > On Jan 13, 9:20 am, RoadieRyan wrote: > snip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Esteban wrote: > I think this will work out quite nicely for Rivendell. Remember the > pain of managing the QBP partnership with the Bleriot? Soma will > manage the bike, and Riv gets to see more people on a more sensible > road bike. > > If someone walks into a Soma dealer and sees the SOMA/AMOS in the > shop, the upslope on the top tub will seem much less dramatic than on > other bikes, especially the less-sensible and much more expensive > crabon fibré bikes next to it. For me, I like a horizontal (or near- > horizontal) TT, but I'm not shopping for a SOMA/AMOS - perhaps not the > target market. > I agree with you about the TT. I like the look of horizontal or nearly horizontal TT but I get the point of the sloping TT. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
I think this will work out quite nicely for Rivendell. Remember the pain of managing the QBP partnership with the Bleriot? Soma will manage the bike, and Riv gets to see more people on a more sensible road bike. If someone walks into a Soma dealer and sees the SOMA/AMOS in the shop, the upslope on the top tub will seem much less dramatic than on other bikes, especially the less-sensible and much more expensive crabon fibré bikes next to it. For me, I like a horizontal (or near- horizontal) TT, but I'm not shopping for a SOMA/AMOS - perhaps not the target market. This bike will do well, and will really stand out against the other steel bikes newly released by Specialized, etc. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Jan 13, 9:20 am, RoadieRyan wrote: > Having it posted on the site gives me hope this is frame will come to > fruition. It will be nice to have a choice between a "sporty road > bike" AMOS, and a "country bike" SamH. Love the blue, hope they > keep it > > On Jan 13, 8:25 am, Michael_S wrote: > > > My vote is for the slacker seatpost ... 71.5d works great for me and > > brooks saddles. > > > Kinda cool that GP is going to re-lable and sell as a Rivendell. I > > guess they call that good marketing. As much as I love that Romulus > > blue others may prefer a sage green or orange ( hint, hint) > > > I think the expanded top tube angle is going to take some time to get > > used to. On my Hillborne it allows me to use the shorter length Nitto > > Pearl stem which I think is a nicer stem. > > > Mike > > SoCal > > > On Jan 13, 8:01 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 10:30 -0500, Frederick, Steve wrote: > > > > I hope it has a seat tube angle of 73 degrees or so--the gradually > > > > slackening(!) of Riv's bikes has put them outside my fit zone. (since > > > > I don't use Brooks saddles, I don't need so much setback) > > > > The difference between 72 and 73 degrees should easily be accommodated > > > with a zero-setback post. Are you saying you are already using one of > > > those with a 73 degree seat tube?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
Having it posted on the site gives me hope this is frame will come to fruition. It will be nice to have a choice between a "sporty road bike" AMOS, and a "country bike" SamH. Love the blue, hope they keep it On Jan 13, 8:25 am, Michael_S wrote: > My vote is for the slacker seatpost ... 71.5d works great for me and > brooks saddles. > > Kinda cool that GP is going to re-lable and sell as a Rivendell. I > guess they call that good marketing. As much as I love that Romulus > blue others may prefer a sage green or orange ( hint, hint) > > I think the expanded top tube angle is going to take some time to get > used to. On my Hillborne it allows me to use the shorter length Nitto > Pearl stem which I think is a nicer stem. > > Mike > SoCal > > On Jan 13, 8:01 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 10:30 -0500, Frederick, Steve wrote: > > > I hope it has a seat tube angle of 73 degrees or so--the gradually > > > slackening(!) of Riv's bikes has put them outside my fit zone. (since I > > > don't use Brooks saddles, I don't need so much setback) > > > The difference between 72 and 73 degrees should easily be accommodated > > with a zero-setback post. Are you saying you are already using one of > > those with a 73 degree seat tube?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
Steve Palincsar wrote: >The difference between 72 and 73 degrees should easily be accommodated >with a zero-setback post. Are you saying you are already using one of >those with a 73 degree seat tube? I am--my "ideal," seat tube angle with the saddle I typically use is 73.5. That assumes a zero-setback post with the saddle rails centered. So I'm on the steep side for a Riv rider! Steve "short thighs," Frederick, East Lansing, MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
My vote is for the slacker seatpost ... 71.5d works great for me and brooks saddles. Kinda cool that GP is going to re-lable and sell as a Rivendell. I guess they call that good marketing. As much as I love that Romulus blue others may prefer a sage green or orange ( hint, hint) I think the expanded top tube angle is going to take some time to get used to. On my Hillborne it allows me to use the shorter length Nitto Pearl stem which I think is a nicer stem. Mike SoCal On Jan 13, 8:01 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 10:30 -0500, Frederick, Steve wrote: > > I hope it has a seat tube angle of 73 degrees or so--the gradually > > slackening(!) of Riv's bikes has put them outside my fit zone. (since I > > don't use Brooks saddles, I don't need so much setback) > > The difference between 72 and 73 degrees should easily be accommodated > with a zero-setback post. Are you saying you are already using one of > those with a 73 degree seat tube? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 10:30 -0500, Frederick, Steve wrote: > I hope it has a seat tube angle of 73 degrees or so--the gradually > slackening(!) of Riv's bikes has put them outside my fit zone. (since I > don't use Brooks saddles, I don't need so much setback) > The difference between 72 and 73 degrees should easily be accommodated with a zero-setback post. Are you saying you are already using one of those with a 73 degree seat tube? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
I hope it has a seat tube angle of 73 degrees or so--the gradually slackening(!) of Riv's bikes has put them outside my fit zone. (since I don't use Brooks saddles, I don't need so much setback) Oh, and I hope my size comes with 650b wheels! Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Aaron Thomas Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:08 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos Interesting write up and photos. I really like the blue color, the fairly simple lugs, and the clean font used on the SOMA decal (as opposed to the font SOMA usually uses). As per the San Marcos decal query in the photo captions, it isn't a town in Italy; over on the SOMA blog they say it is the name of the town in Guatemala where their warehouse guy was born. I see that they're contemplating a kickstand plate, a.k.a. "mud shelf" (see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/3285145851/in/photostream). Not sure if that's well-advised, but it seems to be a Riv trend to use them on recent frames. Otherwise, It sounds like a versatile road frame and a fruitful collaborative project. Aaron On Jan 12, 10:38 pm, CycloFiend wrote: > A new addition to the bicycle listings this evening - > > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/amos/70-999 > > May it be wildly successful! > > - Jim > > -- > Jim Edgar > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
Jim, Thanks for pointing this to our attention. The SOMA/AMOS looks like a Sam Hillborne. This might be because of the same 6-degree upslope of the top tube. -- Rene On Jan 12, 10:38 pm, CycloFiend wrote: > A new addition to the bicycle listings this evening - > > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/amos/70-999 > > May it be wildly successful! > > - Jim > > -- > Jim Edgar > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A Bit More on the RBW/SOMA San Marcos/Amos
Interesting write up and photos. I really like the blue color, the fairly simple lugs, and the clean font used on the SOMA decal (as opposed to the font SOMA usually uses). As per the San Marcos decal query in the photo captions, it isn't a town in Italy; over on the SOMA blog they say it is the name of the town in Guatemala where their warehouse guy was born. I see that they're contemplating a kickstand plate, a.k.a. "mud shelf" (see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/3285145851/in/photostream). Not sure if that's well-advised, but it seems to be a Riv trend to use them on recent frames. Otherwise, It sounds like a versatile road frame and a fruitful collaborative project. Aaron On Jan 12, 10:38 pm, CycloFiend wrote: > A new addition to the bicycle listings this evening - > > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/amos/70-999 > > May it be wildly successful! > > - Jim > > -- > Jim Edgar > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
