[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Cecily Walker]

I love the bike and am envious of Fluttershy.

On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
> beginnings and adventures :)
>
> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
> suggestions welcome!)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>
> -E.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[masmojo]

Regarding Bosco's (Bullmoose or not) I have found myself that handlebar height 
makes a huge difference! I was not digging mine, so I raised them a little 
(1/2") & they felt better,  but I was still unsure.  Then I raised them a 
little more & when I say a little I mean like 1/4" & dang it was like flicking 
a light switch! They just suddenly worked for me! 
So anywayz sorry for hijacking your thread Eunice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Tavan]

Those GC1 (and "biokork" version) look excellent. I think I'll pick up a 
pair or two and try them out! 

Sorry about the namespace collision!

/Jeremy T. II 

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Check out the GC1 Ergon grips--they're intended for swept-back bars.  The 
> flat area extends to either side of the bar, rather than simply behind.  I 
> like them on angled swept-back bars like my Avenir Circa and Jones Loop. 
>  On Bosco's and Alba's, I like a larger diameter round grip, like Oury's. 
>  I've also been thinking about giving the ESI Super Chunky's a try.  
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>>
>> I've used Ergons on an upgright, straight-ish handlebar on a commuter 
>> bike before, and I liked them a lot. But the shaping seems a little odd for 
>> the swept-back-bar hand position - the little flap part being on the 
>> inside, rather than facing the rider. Hey, if it works, it works. My wife 
>> seems happy with hers on her Albatross bar, too. 
>>
>> /Jeremy
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Ergon grips are fabulous. I've tried the Riv corks a couple times, but 
>>> the round, hard-ish shape doesn't work for me. I also like that the Ergons 
>>> are bolt-on for easy bar swaps. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Till]

PS...Now there are two Jeremy T's on this forum?  This is going to get 
confusing.  

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Check out the GC1 Ergon grips--they're intended for swept-back bars.  The 
> flat area extends to either side of the bar, rather than simply behind.  I 
> like them on angled swept-back bars like my Avenir Circa and Jones Loop. 
>  On Bosco's and Alba's, I like a larger diameter round grip, like Oury's. 
>  I've also been thinking about giving the ESI Super Chunky's a try.  
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>>
>> I've used Ergons on an upgright, straight-ish handlebar on a commuter 
>> bike before, and I liked them a lot. But the shaping seems a little odd for 
>> the swept-back-bar hand position - the little flap part being on the 
>> inside, rather than facing the rider. Hey, if it works, it works. My wife 
>> seems happy with hers on her Albatross bar, too. 
>>
>> /Jeremy
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Ergon grips are fabulous. I've tried the Riv corks a couple times, but 
>>> the round, hard-ish shape doesn't work for me. I also like that the Ergons 
>>> are bolt-on for easy bar swaps. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Till]

Check out the GC1 Ergon grips--they're intended for swept-back bars.  The 
flat area extends to either side of the bar, rather than simply behind.  I 
like them on angled swept-back bars like my Avenir Circa and Jones Loop. 
 On Bosco's and Alba's, I like a larger diameter round grip, like Oury's. 
 I've also been thinking about giving the ESI Super Chunky's a try.  

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> I've used Ergons on an upgright, straight-ish handlebar on a commuter bike 
> before, and I liked them a lot. But the shaping seems a little odd for the 
> swept-back-bar hand position - the little flap part being on the inside, 
> rather than facing the rider. Hey, if it works, it works. My wife seems 
> happy with hers on her Albatross bar, too. 
>
> /Jeremy
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Ergon grips are fabulous. I've tried the Riv corks a couple times, but 
>> the round, hard-ish shape doesn't work for me. I also like that the Ergons 
>> are bolt-on for easy bar swaps. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Tavan]

Perhaps I'm being over-broad in my generalization. But the lack of 
adjustable angle and stem length means that you've eliminated two of the 
three axes of adjustment available to a rider. While I'm sure it does (it 
must!) work for some people on some specific sizes of bike, as a general 
rule I believe in more adjustability, not less. A little tilt downwards and 
suddenly the bar is perpendicular to the wrists held naturally. Anyway, if 
you like the bars, I would never argue that you shouldn't - but I think 
that having separate stem and bars gives one a lot more flexibility, at the 
expense of a little bomb-proofness (is that a word?) that a cruiser bike 
probably doesn't need. Fortunately, swapping bars and stems is relatively 
quick and easy and everyone can personalize a bike to make it right for 
them.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 6:45:05 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I would disagree with the statement that the Bosco Moose bars on the 
> Clementine make no sense at all. They were designed by someone with a lot 
> of handlebar design experience. To state that the Bosco Moose defaults to a 
> wrist-straining angle is kind of broad. While I am still becoming 
> acquainted with the bars on my Clementine, it has nothing to do with wrist 
> strain. The bars are set at a very traditional cruiser position and are 
> naturally very comfortable for me (and I suspect a few others). You might 
> also be surprised at how changing the height might affect your 
> hand/arm/wrist interaction with the bars. No doubt there are human beings 
> out there who will find the bars uncomfortable for their particular wrists, 
> but I don't think it fair to say they do that as a default out of the box, 
> which implies it is a universal reaction. I'm curious how long you rode 
> with the bars.
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:48:56 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>>
>> That looks fabulous so far, particularly the stem ornament. I am 
>> encouraged by the tilt of your choco-moose bars - they're tilted down 
>> enough that I could see that being genuinely comfortable. The bosco-moose 
>> bars my wife's Clementine came with make no sense at all, given that you 
>> can't adjust the angle and they default to a wrist-straining position. How 
>> do you like the paddle grips on the swept-back bars? 
>>
>> You don't have a ton of room in back for seat bags, but you could do a 
>> TrunkSack in back and a basket or moderate bag in front, though how that 
>> will interact with the cable cluster I'm not sure. Also, such a practical 
>> bike seems a bit naked without fenders, especially as you appear to live in 
>> a part of the country that gets rain even in non-El-Niño years.
>>
>> /J
>>
>> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
>>> beginnings and adventures :)
>>>
>>> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
>>> suggestions welcome!)
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>>>
>>> -E.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would disagree with the statement that the Bosco Moose bars on the 
Clementine make no sense at all. They were designed by someone with a lot 
of handlebar design experience. To state that the Bosco Moose defaults to a 
wrist-straining angle is kind of broad. While I am still becoming 
acquainted with the bars on my Clementine, it has nothing to do with wrist 
strain. The bars are set at a very traditional cruiser position and are 
naturally very comfortable for me (and I suspect a few others). You might 
also be surprised at how changing the height might affect your 
hand/arm/wrist interaction with the bars. No doubt there are human beings 
out there who will find the bars uncomfortable for their particular wrists, 
but I don't think it fair to say they do that as a default out of the box, 
which implies it is a universal reaction. I'm curious how long you rode 
with the bars.

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:48:56 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> That looks fabulous so far, particularly the stem ornament. I am 
> encouraged by the tilt of your choco-moose bars - they're tilted down 
> enough that I could see that being genuinely comfortable. The bosco-moose 
> bars my wife's Clementine came with make no sense at all, given that you 
> can't adjust the angle and they default to a wrist-straining position. How 
> do you like the paddle grips on the swept-back bars? 
>
> You don't have a ton of room in back for seat bags, but you could do a 
> TrunkSack in back and a basket or moderate bag in front, though how that 
> will interact with the cable cluster I'm not sure. Also, such a practical 
> bike seems a bit naked without fenders, especially as you appear to live in 
> a part of the country that gets rain even in non-El-Niño years.
>
> /J
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>
>> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
>> beginnings and adventures :)
>>
>> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
>> suggestions welcome!)
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>>
>> -E.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Tavan]

I've used Ergons on an upgright, straight-ish handlebar on a commuter bike 
before, and I liked them a lot. But the shaping seems a little odd for the 
swept-back-bar hand position - the little flap part being on the inside, 
rather than facing the rider. Hey, if it works, it works. My wife seems 
happy with hers on her Albatross bar, too. 

/Jeremy

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ergon grips are fabulous. I've tried the Riv corks a couple times, but the 
> round, hard-ish shape doesn't work for me. I also like that the Ergons are 
> bolt-on for easy bar swaps. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Joe Bernard]

Ergon grips are fabulous. I've tried the Riv corks a couple times, but the 
round, hard-ish shape doesn't work for me. I also like that the Ergons are 
bolt-on for easy bar swaps. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Ryan Fleming]

I really like the mustard frames ... but I have to say that the blue of the 
appaloosas is growing on me. What is it...almost like a robins egg blue? I 
like the grey blue of the hillbornes too.

Anyway sounds like a swell addition to your stable  ... Bikes are 
therapeutic to me and I do not mean that lightly

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:43:35 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Everyone else:
>
> Thanks for the congrats and good wishes! I guess it's not a coincidence 
> that the bike arrived at the same day my therapist told me that I had more 
> or less completed my grief journey. Seriously good timing, RBW. 
>
> Jeremy-
>
> The grips are Ergon grips (GP1, I think). I love the look of shellaced 
> corks but NC is notoriously humid and sweaty palms are always a hazard, 
> plus I never quite figured out how to make cork grips not move/slip out. 
> Ergon grips are the only ones that are grippy, easy to clean, and fairly 
> easy to install. They're even a bit cushy.
>
> Fenders and racks are definitely on the list. Or at least a small 
> saddlebag with the tools and spare tubes. I'm also thinking that maybe a 
> sturdier rack would be good for carrying 6-packs...
>
> Evan- 
> I think it's a cross between sam hillborne blue (closer to sky blue) and 
> atlantis aqua green-blue. It's not the same blue as Betty Foy, I think, but 
> somewhere in the same family. Those frames aligned together would probably 
> make for an interesting paint chip sheet. 
>
> -E.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, stonehog  > wrote:
>
>> Congrats, Eunice!  Love the pics!!
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>
>>> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
>>> beginnings and adventures :)
>>>
>>> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
>>> suggestions welcome!)
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>>>
>>> -E.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Eunice Chang]

Everyone else:

Thanks for the congrats and good wishes! I guess it's not a coincidence
that the bike arrived at the same day my therapist told me that I had more
or less completed my grief journey. Seriously good timing, RBW.

Jeremy-

The grips are Ergon grips (GP1, I think). I love the look of shellaced
corks but NC is notoriously humid and sweaty palms are always a hazard,
plus I never quite figured out how to make cork grips not move/slip out.
Ergon grips are the only ones that are grippy, easy to clean, and fairly
easy to install. They're even a bit cushy.

Fenders and racks are definitely on the list. Or at least a small saddlebag
with the tools and spare tubes. I'm also thinking that maybe a sturdier
rack would be good for carrying 6-packs...

Evan-
I think it's a cross between sam hillborne blue (closer to sky blue) and
atlantis aqua green-blue. It's not the same blue as Betty Foy, I think, but
somewhere in the same family. Those frames aligned together would probably
make for an interesting paint chip sheet.

-E.



On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, stonehog  wrote:

> Congrats, Eunice!  Love the pics!!
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
>> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new
>> beginnings and adventures :)
>>
>> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up -
>> suggestions welcome!)
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>>
>> -E.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[stonehog]

Congrats, Eunice!  Love the pics!!

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
> beginnings and adventures :)
>
> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
> suggestions welcome!)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>
> -E.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Evan E.]

Eunice: Congratulations! Love the bike. Love the blue. It looks almost 
Atlantis greenish?

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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Shoji Takahashi]

Wonderful! Indeed, to new beginning and adventures with your trusty steel 
steed Athansor.

All the best to you, Eunice.
shoji



On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 1:02:35 AM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
> beginnings and adventures :)
>
> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
> suggestions welcome!)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>
> -E.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Tavan]

That looks fabulous so far, particularly the stem ornament. I am encouraged 
by the tilt of your choco-moose bars - they're tilted down enough that I 
could see that being genuinely comfortable. The bosco-moose bars my wife's 
Clementine came with make no sense at all, given that you can't adjust the 
angle and they default to a wrist-straining position. How do you like the 
paddle grips on the swept-back bars? 

You don't have a ton of room in back for seat bags, but you could do a 
TrunkSack in back and a basket or moderate bag in front, though how that 
will interact with the cable cluster I'm not sure. Also, such a practical 
bike seems a bit naked without fenders, especially as you appear to live in 
a part of the country that gets rain even in non-El-Niño years.

/J

On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> This one's named Athansor. A good, reliable, sturdy horse for new 
> beginnings and adventures :)
>
> Preliminary photos so far: (still thinking about how to build it up - 
> suggestions welcome!)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/albums/72157664228668683
>
> -E.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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