[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Update on the Velo Orange Sabot pedals:

These sure feel amazing barefoot and they grip well with the pin in on one 
side with my ZemGear shoes. Unfortunately both pairs I've tried begin 
creaking after a few miles of standing pedaling on the Quickbeam. Velo 
Orange was great to work with, replacing the first pair, refunding the 
second pair. So I now have VP Vice pedals on both bikes. I may take the 
pins out on one side of the QB, I don't know. If not, my barefoot riding is 
done, but the Zems are about as close as you can get to barefoot while 
having underfoot protection.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Garth]

I was thinking of the Raleigh 3 speed I had a kid, with the rubber-ish 
pedals it had, made for any shoe and even bare feet :) 
The I simply googled " *barefoot pedals bike*
and just like magic:

Looks like we have a winner !  

http://www.blog.allthatiwant.com/the-urban-pedal/


…but what really got us hooked on the pedal: riding barefoot!

 

http://www.motobicycles.com/artikeldetails-en/kategorie/pedals/artikel/10-001-moto-urban-pedal.html


Or these on the "low end" of the spectrum .  . . . 
http://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Bicycle-Barefoot-Cruiser-Pedal/dp/B000MX1OCS/ref=sr_1_10?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1399329051&sr=1-10&keywords=sunlite+pedal
http://www.amazon.com/Avenir-67-27-280-J-Comfort-Pedals/dp/B002BW1DDS
http://www.amazon.com/SUNLITE-PEDALS-SUNLT-CRUSER-BAREFOOT/dp/B00DMKYWCM/ref=sr_1_22?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1399329051&sr=1-22&keywords=sunlite+pedal

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

I've seen them before, so I presume I learned about them from you lot. 
Grin. They sure seem small for a platform pedal. I'd love to know if anyone 
has them how they work and feel underfoot.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 5, 2014 3:12:43 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Did we talk about these before? 
> http://www.motobicycles.com/ 
>
> They seem like dedicated versions of my skate deck pedal platforms. After 
> they hit me up to promote them on my blog, I hit them up for free samples, 
> but didn't hear back... :^) 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com 
>
> On Monday, May 5, 2014 9:54:47 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Holy smokes! These look like amazing barefoot (or thin soleshoe) friendly 
>> pedals by VO: 
>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/pedals/grand-cru-sabot-pedals.html
>> .
>>
>> The VP vice have been working great for me, except that now I"m testing 
>> out SS and thus cranking on the pedals more, I feel the ridge created by 
>> the hole under each big toe. This looks to solve that, as well as giving a 
>> pedal that is not as stiff. I'll be getting these for the QB.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 7:27:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd 
>>> love input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP 
>>> thin Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>>>
>>> Relavant détails:
>>> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
>>> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
>>> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
>>> resultant vertigo.
>>> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
>>> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
>>> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
>>> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
>>> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
>>> Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
>>> clipless.
>>> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
>>> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
>>> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
>>> from the same pressure points.
>>> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
>>> pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a 
>>> bit.
>>> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>>>
>>> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
>>> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
>>> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>>  
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Philip Williamson]

Did we talk about these before? 
http://www.motobicycles.com/ 

They seem like dedicated versions of my skate deck pedal platforms. After 
they hit me up to promote them on my blog, I hit them up for free samples, 
but didn't hear back... :^) 

Philip
www.biketinker.com 

On Monday, May 5, 2014 9:54:47 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Holy smokes! These look like amazing barefoot (or thin soleshoe) friendly 
> pedals by VO: 
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/pedals/grand-cru-sabot-pedals.html
> .
>
> The VP vice have been working great for me, except that now I"m testing 
> out SS and thus cranking on the pedals more, I feel the ridge created by 
> the hole under each big toe. This looks to solve that, as well as giving a 
> pedal that is not as stiff. I'll be getting these for the QB.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2013 7:27:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
>> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
>> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>>
>> Relavant détails:
>> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
>> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
>> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
>> resultant vertigo.
>> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
>> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
>> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
>> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
>> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
>> Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
>> clipless.
>> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
>> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
>> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
>> from the same pressure points.
>> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
>> pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a 
>> bit.
>> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>>
>> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
>> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
>> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks for your input!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>  
>>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! I doubt I've more sense, but carpet would deeply dampen the 
proprioceptive feedback, so I'd wear my minimalist shoes before I did that. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 5, 2014 2:02:32 PM UTC-6, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> College beach-bums like me perfected this.  Get some old carpet, wrap once 
> around the rat-trap pedals, and duct tape in place.
>
> That's what worked at UC Santa Barbara in the 1970's, but something tells 
> me Patrick has more sense that we did back then.  
>
> Max Beach
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[reynoldslugs]

College beach-bums like me perfected this.  Get some old carpet, wrap once 
around the rat-trap pedals, and duct tape in place.

That's what worked at UC Santa Barbara in the 1970's, but something tells 
me Patrick has more sense that we did back then.  

Max Beach


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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Those Speedplan Drillium look fantastic! Thanks, Garth. If the VO Sabots 
don't work out, I'll know where to go next. Ergon were a no-go due to too 
controlling about where the foot had to be and sharp edges.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 5, 2014 12:59:59 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
>I see about the holes for barefoot !   Have you seen  the Speedplay 
> Drillium pedals ?  
> http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.drillium
>
> Ergon pedals have a huge platform, but are slightly concave. Maybe not so 
> good for mid foot, but for on the balls of the feet they may work . 
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Garth]

   I see about the holes for barefoot !   Have you seen  the Speedplay 
Drillium pedals ?  
http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.drillium

Ergon pedals have a huge platform, but are slightly concave. Maybe not so 
good for mid foot, but for on the balls of the feet they may work . 

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Garth. Unfortunately those holes are monstrous and would never work 
barefoot. See:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/13913152030/

At the moment, I'm experimenting with riding forefoot again. It requires a 
higher saddle height, and so far feels good. I have used mid-foot for a 
change when standing, as that doesn't require a change in saddle height. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:58:33 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> As I did not ride for some 5 months over the winter, I decided to just 
> ride in some Crocs Slides that I love wearing.  Laster year I tried it, but 
> was using Birks at the time and I had a mental block to using anything 
> else. So after no riding, getting back on the bike is like a new thing 
> again. So why not ride in Crocs I thought.  So far, I love them , the feel 
> of the soft footbeds is great , so much better than a Birk.  
>
> Anyways, the pedals I use are Wellgo Mg-1. They are about the largest 
> platform of any pedal I know of. 114.6mm x 106mm .  Yes, that extra width 
> is loved, and used, despite my narrowish feet. I bought many pairs of these 
> pedals from a seller on ebay a few years ago for about $30 each.  They too 
> have the combo bushing, cartridge bearing like many platforms. And yes, one 
> pedal has developed a tiny bit of lateral play, but I loaded it up with 
> grease and it's fine. Really, as long as pedal spins freely, so what ?  Lol 
> !  
>
> So if you want the largest platform, they are great.  Not "high end" , but 
> I'm not sure any pedal is . 
> BTW, I see a 3rd party selling these on Amazon right now for $32. Wow. .. 
> I may get another pair :) 
> http://www.amazon.com/Wellgo-MG-1-Magnesium-Platform-16-Inch/dp/B00E7UZ5OK
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Garth]

And I ride mid-foot too :)   

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Garth]

As I did not ride for some 5 months over the winter, I decided to just ride 
in some Crocs Slides that I love wearing.  Laster year I tried it, but was 
using Birks at the time and I had a mental block to using anything else. So 
after no riding, getting back on the bike is like a new thing again. So why 
not ride in Crocs I thought.  So far, I love them , the feel of the soft 
footbeds is great , so much better than a Birk.  

Anyways, the pedals I use are Wellgo Mg-1. They are about the largest 
platform of any pedal I know of. 114.6mm x 106mm .  Yes, that extra width 
is loved, and used, despite my narrowish feet. I bought many pairs of these 
pedals from a seller on ebay a few years ago for about $30 each.  They too 
have the combo bushing, cartridge bearing like many platforms. And yes, one 
pedal has developed a tiny bit of lateral play, but I loaded it up with 
grease and it's fine. Really, as long as pedal spins freely, so what ?  Lol 
!  

So if you want the largest platform, they are great.  Not "high end" , but 
I'm not sure any pedal is . 
BTW, I see a 3rd party selling these on Amazon right now for $32. Wow. .. I 
may get another pair :) 
http://www.amazon.com/Wellgo-MG-1-Magnesium-Platform-16-Inch/dp/B00E7UZ5OK

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Re: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

>
> Thanks, Tom. One way to find out! Grin.
>

With abandon,
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RE: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Nine months, no abuse to speak of – trails, but no mud and not much rain.  But 
they appear, at least, to be very well-built.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

Great to hear, Tom. How long have you had them? How much water/mud/abuse have 
they received? Anyone know VO's track record when it comes to pedals? I know 
their reputation is very good, but have never had any of their stuff before.

With abandon,
Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Great to hear, Tom. How long have you had them? How much water/mud/abuse 
have they received? Anyone know VO's track record when it comes to pedals? 
I know their reputation is very good, but have never had any of their stuff 
before.

With abandon,
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RE: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Patrick:  They are very nice pedals – I’m using them on my Stumpjumper, and I 
like them a lot.  And unlike the Thin Gripsters (which I also like a lot), they 
can have reflectors installed.  Tom

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

Holy smokes! These look like amazing barefoot (or thin soleshoe) friendly 
pedals by VO: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/pedals/grand-cru-sabot-pedals.html.

The VP vice have been working great for me, except that now I"m testing out SS 
and thus cranking on the pedals more, I feel the ridge created by the hole 
under each big toe. This looks to solve that, as well as giving a pedal that is 
not as stiff. I'll be getting these for the QB.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, April 19, 2013 7:27:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love input 
on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin Gripster 
and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.

Relavant détails:
-- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) because of 
the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets the body know 
where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and resultant vertigo.
-- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a second 
pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
-- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are perhaps 
the ideal barefoot pedal.
-- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to clipless.
-- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are well 
acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with pedals tells 
me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender from the same 
pressure points.
-- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal with 
rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
-- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.

-- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a thin 
Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads with broad 
flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your input!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Holy smokes! These look like amazing barefoot (or thin soleshoe) friendly 
pedals by 
VO: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/pedals/grand-cru-sabot-pedals.html.

The VP vice have been working great for me, except that now I"m testing out 
SS and thus cranking on the pedals more, I feel the ridge created by the 
hole under each big toe. This looks to solve that, as well as giving a 
pedal that is not as stiff. I'll be getting these for the QB.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Friday, April 19, 2013 7:27:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Michael]

>
> Patrick, you are the Cody Lundin of cyclists.
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Michael]

>
> Patrick, you are the Cody Lundy of cyclists.
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[justinaugust]

Awesome!

-J

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

The VP Vice were waiting patiently for me when I got back yesterday from a 
S30O (I'll post pics later). Removing all the pins was a job that gave me 
my manual dexterity therapy for a year. That's a lot of un-screwing around 
I had to do!

Rode them my short ride up to the falls (3 miles round trip, hefty 
climb/descent mostly on paved roads). Wow. They feel really good as is 
without adding any leather. I may need to file down some edges a a wee bit 
if that reveals itself a problem on longer rides or with more extreme 
climbing, but I may have found a barefoot friendly pedal that doesn't need 
altering. After getting them, I also realized there is more support for the 
outside of the foot vs. 001s because the axel runs all the way through.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

I pulled the trigger on VP Vice pedals, for the common pin bolt (I hope) 
and the thicker/longer axel.

With abandon, Patrick

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:17:37 PM UTC-6, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I would try the VP-Vice for this! The "pins" are just bog standard bolts. 
> Easy to replace and find flat heads. See here: 
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/
>
> -J
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:58:46 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful to hear, Pam. I've wondered about the Grip Kings. I presume the 
>> ball of your foot is down in the concave slope, toes resting on the 
>> top/front grips? Or are you midfood pedaling? I midfoot pedal. My feet are 
>> 12 , so gorilla's get envious of these beasties. Grin. VFFs never 
>> worked well for me, though it took me running 200 miles in them to figure 
>> that out. I'm THAT thick. Here are a few pics to show pedal placement:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9863133784/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9295761124/
>>
>> I "toe clench" to avoid toe flossing by brambles and grasses when it's 
>> narrow trail.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:08:39 PM UTC-6, pam wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the Grip Kings and ride in Vibram Five Fingers - have for the 
>>> past 4 years - probably over 10,000 miles.  I had the sneaker pedals.  I 
>>> think for barefoot the sneaker pedals would be slightly better.  I've tried 
>>> riding barefoot with Grip Kings but need a thin sole to really push down 
>>> hard on the pedal - I guess I'm a masher not a spinner.  I'll try the 
>>> sneaker pedals barefoot and will let you know but the platform is slightly 
>>> smaller.  I have a small foot so that helps - Womens' Size 6.  Hope that 
>>> helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd 
 love input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP 
 thin Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.

 Relavant détails:
 -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
 because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
 the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
 resultant vertigo.
 -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
 second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
 -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
 perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
 -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
 Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
 clipless.
 -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet 
 are well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
 pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
 from the same pressure points.
 -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
 pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down 
 a 
 bit.
 -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.

 -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
 thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
 with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.

 Thanks for your input!

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Edwin W]

Maybe my feet aren't that tough, but I don't like the sneaker pedals that Riv 
sells with no sneakers on! But I love them with shoes or flip flops.  Not 
enough flat surface. The Ergons look good and pricey. Harris Cyclery sells the 
good and cheap ones that look like Raleigh's from the '70's rubber platforms 
with reflectors. 

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Good point on the bolt holes J. Anyone know the bolt size for the VP 001?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:17:37 PM UTC-6, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I would try the VP-Vice for this! The "pins" are just bog standard bolts. 
> Easy to replace and find flat heads. See here: 
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/
>
> -J
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:58:46 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful to hear, Pam. I've wondered about the Grip Kings. I presume the 
>> ball of your foot is down in the concave slope, toes resting on the 
>> top/front grips? Or are you midfood pedaling? I midfoot pedal. My feet are 
>> 12 , so gorilla's get envious of these beasties. Grin. VFFs never 
>> worked well for me, though it took me running 200 miles in them to figure 
>> that out. I'm THAT thick. Here are a few pics to show pedal placement:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9863133784/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9295761124/
>>
>> I "toe clench" to avoid toe flossing by brambles and grasses when it's 
>> narrow trail.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:08:39 PM UTC-6, pam wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the Grip Kings and ride in Vibram Five Fingers - have for the 
>>> past 4 years - probably over 10,000 miles.  I had the sneaker pedals.  I 
>>> think for barefoot the sneaker pedals would be slightly better.  I've tried 
>>> riding barefoot with Grip Kings but need a thin sole to really push down 
>>> hard on the pedal - I guess I'm a masher not a spinner.  I'll try the 
>>> sneaker pedals barefoot and will let you know but the platform is slightly 
>>> smaller.  I have a small foot so that helps - Womens' Size 6.  Hope that 
>>> helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd 
 love input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP 
 thin Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.

 Relavant détails:
 -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
 because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
 the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
 resultant vertigo.
 -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
 second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
 -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
 perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
 -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
 Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
 clipless.
 -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet 
 are well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
 pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
 from the same pressure points.
 -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
 pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down 
 a 
 bit.
 -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.

 -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
 thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
 with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.

 Thanks for your input!

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[justinaugust]

I would try the VP-Vice for this! The "pins" are just bog standard bolts. 
Easy to replace and find flat heads. See 
here: http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/

-J

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:58:46 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Wonderful to hear, Pam. I've wondered about the Grip Kings. I presume the 
> ball of your foot is down in the concave slope, toes resting on the 
> top/front grips? Or are you midfood pedaling? I midfoot pedal. My feet are 
> 12 , so gorilla's get envious of these beasties. Grin. VFFs never 
> worked well for me, though it took me running 200 miles in them to figure 
> that out. I'm THAT thick. Here are a few pics to show pedal placement:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9863133784/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9295761124/
>
> I "toe clench" to avoid toe flossing by brambles and grasses when it's 
> narrow trail.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:08:39 PM UTC-6, pam wrote:
>>
>> I have the Grip Kings and ride in Vibram Five Fingers - have for the past 
>> 4 years - probably over 10,000 miles.  I had the sneaker pedals.  I think 
>> for barefoot the sneaker pedals would be slightly better.  I've tried 
>> riding barefoot with Grip Kings but need a thin sole to really push down 
>> hard on the pedal - I guess I'm a masher not a spinner.  I'll try the 
>> sneaker pedals barefoot and will let you know but the platform is slightly 
>> smaller.  I have a small foot so that helps - Womens' Size 6.  Hope that 
>> helps.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd 
>>> love input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP 
>>> thin Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>>>
>>> Relavant détails:
>>> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
>>> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
>>> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
>>> resultant vertigo.
>>> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
>>> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
>>> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
>>> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
>>> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
>>> Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
>>> clipless.
>>> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
>>> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
>>> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
>>> from the same pressure points.
>>> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
>>> pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a 
>>> bit.
>>> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>>>
>>> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
>>> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
>>> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>>  
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Wonderful to hear, Pam. I've wondered about the Grip Kings. I presume the 
ball of your foot is down in the concave slope, toes resting on the 
top/front grips? Or are you midfood pedaling? I midfoot pedal. My feet are 
12 , so gorilla's get envious of these beasties. Grin. VFFs never 
worked well for me, though it took me running 200 miles in them to figure 
that out. I'm THAT thick. Here are a few pics to show pedal placement:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9863133784/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9295761124/

I "toe clench" to avoid toe flossing by brambles and grasses when it's 
narrow trail.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:08:39 PM UTC-6, pam wrote:
>
> I have the Grip Kings and ride in Vibram Five Fingers - have for the past 
> 4 years - probably over 10,000 miles.  I had the sneaker pedals.  I think 
> for barefoot the sneaker pedals would be slightly better.  I've tried 
> riding barefoot with Grip Kings but need a thin sole to really push down 
> hard on the pedal - I guess I'm a masher not a spinner.  I'll try the 
> sneaker pedals barefoot and will let you know but the platform is slightly 
> smaller.  I have a small foot so that helps - Womens' Size 6.  Hope that 
> helps.
>
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
>> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
>> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>>
>> Relavant détails:
>> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
>> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
>> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
>> resultant vertigo.
>> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
>> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
>> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
>> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
>> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
>> Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
>> clipless.
>> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
>> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
>> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
>> from the same pressure points.
>> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
>> pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a 
>> bit.
>> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>>
>> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
>> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
>> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks for your input!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
>>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! What a blessing you guys are! Thank you. Philip, I will send them your 
way so you can see what you can do to revive them once I have a pair that 
works at least as well. I feel better knowing they will be in your hands 
than a machine shop I just wander into in Colorado Springs that may or may 
not understand pedals. Between the leather clad VPs and Eric's so very 
cherry pedals, I am hopeful! Will coordinate off list once I'm at that 
point.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 20, 2013 7:26:54 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Awesome, Eric, I was thinking along the same lines. 
> I wonder if 1/4" oak could be attached to the Thin Gripster VP-001s *with* 
> the 
> pins. If they're the kind that are threaded along the entire length, it 
> might be possible (though tedious) to drill and tap holes through the wood, 
> and... never mind, you could just epoxy the wood on there.
>
> I'm happy to try to get the wobble out of the Bullseye pedals for you, but 
> I don't know that I could do anything that a Colorado machine shop couldn't 
> do. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2013 4:34:01 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> I've got more hardwoods than ply at this point, if I don't have enough 
>> oak, which I think I should, I'll use some cherry, it should be as hardy.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[pam]

I have the Grip Kings and ride in Vibram Five Fingers - have for the past 4 
years - probably over 10,000 miles.  I had the sneaker pedals.  I think for 
barefoot the sneaker pedals would be slightly better.  I've tried riding 
barefoot with Grip Kings but need a thin sole to really push down hard on 
the pedal - I guess I'm a masher not a spinner.  I'll try the sneaker 
pedals barefoot and will let you know but the platform is slightly smaller. 
 I have a small foot so that helps - Womens' Size 6.  Hope that helps.


On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Larry H]

If you can't find anyone else to assist, let me know.  I think it would be 
pretty simple to rig up some wood platform pedals for you using one of the 
bases from MKS or others, removing the metal cage, and attaching a wood one 
with a platform.  I have woodworking equipment and it wouldn't take too 
long.

You should further evaluate fixing your bullseyes.  Are they loose or 
sealed bearing?  If they are loose bearing, I would recommend that you 
disassemble, polish the races with 400+ grit sandpaper, and replace/repack 
the bearings.  If there is still wobble, try to find a slightly larger size 
bearing.  McMaster-Carr is a great place for all things of this nature.  If 
you want assistance on this route, let me know/contact me off list.  I'm 
located in Michigan so there would be some postage involved both ways.

Larry

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Philip Williamson]

Awesome, Eric, I was thinking along the same lines. 
I wonder if 1/4" oak could be attached to the Thin Gripster VP-001s *with* the 
pins. If they're the kind that are threaded along the entire length, it 
might be possible (though tedious) to drill and tap holes through the wood, 
and... never mind, you could just epoxy the wood on there.

I'm happy to try to get the wobble out of the Bullseye pedals for you, but 
I don't know that I could do anything that a Colorado machine shop couldn't 
do. 

Philip
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>
> I've got more hardwoods than ply at this point, if I don't have enough 
> oak, which I think I should, I'll use some cherry, it should be as hardy.

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Cherry otta work great! Thanks.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 20, 2013 5:34:01 PM UTC-6, EGNolan wrote:
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> I've got more hardwoods than ply at this point, if I don't have enough 
> oak, which I think I should, I'll use some cherry, it should be as hardy.

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[EGNolan]

I've got more hardwoods than ply at this point, if I don't have enough oak, 
which I think I should, I'll use some cherry, it should be as hardy.

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow! Thanks, Eric. You are a brave and foolish man to dive into playing 
with my feet! A few details that may be helpful:

-- Plywood should be fine, just needs to be smooth (sanded) and with all 
edges and corners rounded more than you'd think. I sprung for 1/4" oak on 
the Bullseyes after I bashed in the plywood they came with on a rock. Oak 
is holding up amazingly well. No need to finish it, as I'll use a beeswax 
blend we make here.
-- a 4"x4" square platform works beautifully.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 20, 2013 1:42:43 PM UTC-6, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Patrick,
> I just took off a pair of pedals that have the removable cages. I'm not a 
> skilled woodworker, but I'll see what I can come up with. Whether it'll be 
> good enough to sell, well, I have no idea. I'll let you know how it goes.
>  
> Best,
> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

I don't know if anyone but me is interested in this, but just in case... 

-- I plan on passing on the Moto because the cost makes the risk of them 
having too small a footprint and the uncertainty I have about how well a 
sleeve bearing mechanism would work in a pedal to great.

-- I plan on getting a par of VP 001s from Riv and using the pin holes to 
mount leather on each side of the pedal. Now I just have to find pins with 
a flat head to hold the leather in. Sardonic grin. That may be an adventure 
in itself.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 20, 2013 11:44:13 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Excellent idea, Joe. I like it! Anyone have such beasties in their bin? 
> I'm horrible at the manual details, so if anyone is good with wood and 
> could fashon a grand 2-sided oak platform pedal, I'd be happy to pay 
> reasonable costs for materials and time.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2013 11:08:10 AM UTC-6, joe b. wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Lots of MTB pedals back in the day had bolt-on cages for easy crash 
>> replacement. It seems like it would be pretty simple to finish a couple 
>> pieces of marine plywood in whatever shape you want, then bolt them on to 
>> the pedal bodies with some made or bought right angle brackets. Maybe even 
>> cover it in some thick leather for that on-bike moccasin feel.
>>
>> Attached is just a random example to see if you catch my drift.
>>
>> Best,
>> joe broach
>> portland, or
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I'm slowly digging my brain out of the hole I got it into trying 
>>> to get out of town in the middle of flood recovery construction that blew 
>>> up in my brain (when I also discovered my frozen pedal cranking up a hill. 
>>> Adrenaline rushes on a bludgeoned brain are bad news.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the point of sharing that is I've not yet been able to do a ride 
>>> of more than a block to test any pedals, so I don't know how significant 
>>> the wobble is vs. the composite pedals "noise" interference. I'd really 
>>> like to get a second opinion on whether or not the wobble in the left 
>>> Bullseye can be snugged up in some way, but I don't know anyone locally. If 
>>> you're volunteering, Philip, I'll send them your way for a rebuild check 
>>> once I have ridden them to get an idea of if they would work as a back-up 
>>> pair. Considering how hard it is to find barefoot friendly pedals, I'm not 
>>> really wanting to give them up.
>>>
>>> The Moto's do look good. My concern is the pedal surface is smaller than 
>>> my 4"x4" wood pedals, at 3"x3.6". I'm not sure how I'll like that on long 
>>> climbs. Also the bearing mechanism is very different (sleeve bearing), 
>>> which if I understand correctly is essentially a post in a hole, no ball 
>>> bearings. No idea how that will work. Plus, no wood on the platform, which 
>>> I really like, and not sure how I feel about grip tape.
>>>
>>> So, bottom line unclear answer to your kind offer to take them off my 
>>> hands: would you be willing to see if the wobble can be eliminated for me? 
>>> If it can't, and my rides before sending them your way make it clear they 
>>> won't work as a back up pair, then they would be yours, but if the wobble 
>>> can be fixed, I'd love them back fixed. I'm sure to most people, the wobble 
>>> is barely noticeable, but it really monkeys with my vertigo.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:13:16 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson 
>>> wrote:

 Those Moto pedals look amazing. Get those.
 Can I have your old Bullseye pedals?

 Philip
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[EGNolan]

Patrick,
I just took off a pair of pedals that have the removable cages. I'm not a 
skilled woodworker, but I'll see what I can come up with. Whether it'll be 
good enough to sell, well, I have no idea. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
Best,
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Good news for me (but bad news for you, Philip)! I did a wee ride up to the 
falls (4 miles RT, all climb one way, descent the other). Cheep composite 
pedals are a no-go. Swapped to the Bullseye pedals before the steeper 
climb, the wobble is minimal and they are still the best barefoot pedals I 
have by far. So I'll be looking for a good option to replace them 
eventually, but I have more time than I'd thought. I'd still love to 
explore if they can be snugged up, but at least I have a working solution 
for the moment.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:13:16 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Those Moto pedals look amazing. Get those.
> Can I have your old Bullseye pedals?
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Excellent idea, Joe. I like it! Anyone have such beasties in their bin? I'm 
horrible at the manual details, so if anyone is good with wood and could 
fashon a grand 2-sided oak platform pedal, I'd be happy to pay reasonable 
costs for materials and time.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 20, 2013 11:08:10 AM UTC-6, joe b. wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> Lots of MTB pedals back in the day had bolt-on cages for easy crash 
> replacement. It seems like it would be pretty simple to finish a couple 
> pieces of marine plywood in whatever shape you want, then bolt them on to 
> the pedal bodies with some made or bought right angle brackets. Maybe even 
> cover it in some thick leather for that on-bike moccasin feel.
>
> Attached is just a random example to see if you catch my drift.
>
> Best,
> joe broach
> portland, or
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm slowly digging my brain out of the hole I got it into trying to 
>> get out of town in the middle of flood recovery construction that blew up 
>> in my brain (when I also discovered my frozen pedal cranking up a hill. 
>> Adrenaline rushes on a bludgeoned brain are bad news.
>>
>> Anyway, the point of sharing that is I've not yet been able to do a ride 
>> of more than a block to test any pedals, so I don't know how significant 
>> the wobble is vs. the composite pedals "noise" interference. I'd really 
>> like to get a second opinion on whether or not the wobble in the left 
>> Bullseye can be snugged up in some way, but I don't know anyone locally. If 
>> you're volunteering, Philip, I'll send them your way for a rebuild check 
>> once I have ridden them to get an idea of if they would work as a back-up 
>> pair. Considering how hard it is to find barefoot friendly pedals, I'm not 
>> really wanting to give them up.
>>
>> The Moto's do look good. My concern is the pedal surface is smaller than 
>> my 4"x4" wood pedals, at 3"x3.6". I'm not sure how I'll like that on long 
>> climbs. Also the bearing mechanism is very different (sleeve bearing), 
>> which if I understand correctly is essentially a post in a hole, no ball 
>> bearings. No idea how that will work. Plus, no wood on the platform, which 
>> I really like, and not sure how I feel about grip tape.
>>
>> So, bottom line unclear answer to your kind offer to take them off my 
>> hands: would you be willing to see if the wobble can be eliminated for me? 
>> If it can't, and my rides before sending them your way make it clear they 
>> won't work as a back up pair, then they would be yours, but if the wobble 
>> can be fixed, I'd love them back fixed. I'm sure to most people, the wobble 
>> is barely noticeable, but it really monkeys with my vertigo.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:13:16 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Those Moto pedals look amazing. Get those.
>>> Can I have your old Bullseye pedals?
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, James. I find pedals of that shape don't work for rides more than a 
few miles -- they need more platform throught the whole surface (something 
the shoe provides, if you wear one).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, September 20, 2013 8:30:41 AM UTC-6, James Philip wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> I found the Shimano Saint platform pedals to be exceptionally comfortable 
> on my MTB - if you want to barefoot it would be easy to remove the grip 
> pins. The pedals are metal, have a huge platform and appear to be 
> "bomb-proof".
>
> Review 
> here
> .
>
> On a related note:
>
> When building up my touring steed, I thought I'd go for classic platform 
> pedals with toeclips ala 
> "Lyotard"Marcel
>  Berthet" model 23" - 
> which can be found occasionally on "the bay of the Flea", or the pricey 
> White Industries version here  - 
> I also found a slightly less spendy MKS version 
> herewhich
>  I bought and fitted. They have a very classy look and perform well, 
> but I'm actually leaning towards buying another pair of Saints - the ease 
> of stand on and go without faddling with toeclips is increasingly 
> persuasive.
>
> While I wouldn't personally recommend running toeclips barefoot , they may 
> give your toes something extra to hold onto... 
>
> Cheerio
> J.
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[James Philip]

Hi Patrick,

I found the Shimano Saint platform pedals to be exceptionally comfortable 
on my MTB - if you want to barefoot it would be easy to remove the grip 
pins. The pedals are metal, have a huge platform and appear to be 
"bomb-proof".

Review 
here
.

On a related note:

When building up my touring steed, I thought I'd go for classic platform 
pedals with toeclips ala 
"Lyotard"Marcel
 Berthet" model 23" - 
which can be found occasionally on "the bay of the Flea", or the pricey 
White Industries version here  - 
I also found a slightly less spendy MKS version 
herewhich
 I bought and fitted. They have a very classy look and perform well, 
but I'm actually leaning towards buying another pair of Saints - the ease 
of stand on and go without faddling with toeclips is increasingly 
persuasive.

While I wouldn't personally recommend running toeclips barefoot , they may 
give your toes something extra to hold onto... 

Cheerio
J.

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Well, I'm slowly digging my brain out of the hole I got it into trying to 
get out of town in the middle of flood recovery construction that blew up 
in my brain (when I also discovered my frozen pedal cranking up a hill. 
Adrenaline rushes on a bludgeoned brain are bad news.

Anyway, the point of sharing that is I've not yet been able to do a ride of 
more than a block to test any pedals, so I don't know how significant the 
wobble is vs. the composite pedals "noise" interference. I'd really like to 
get a second opinion on whether or not the wobble in the left Bullseye can 
be snugged up in some way, but I don't know anyone locally. If you're 
volunteering, Philip, I'll send them your way for a rebuild check once I 
have ridden them to get an idea of if they would work as a back-up pair. 
Considering how hard it is to find barefoot friendly pedals, I'm not really 
wanting to give them up.

The Moto's do look good. My concern is the pedal surface is smaller than my 
4"x4" wood pedals, at 3"x3.6". I'm not sure how I'll like that on long 
climbs. Also the bearing mechanism is very different (sleeve bearing), 
which if I understand correctly is essentially a post in a hole, no ball 
bearings. No idea how that will work. Plus, no wood on the platform, which 
I really like, and not sure how I feel about grip tape.

So, bottom line unclear answer to your kind offer to take them off my 
hands: would you be willing to see if the wobble can be eliminated for me? 
If it can't, and my rides before sending them your way make it clear they 
won't work as a back up pair, then they would be yours, but if the wobble 
can be fixed, I'd love them back fixed. I'm sure to most people, the wobble 
is barely noticeable, but it really monkeys with my vertigo.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:13:16 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Those Moto pedals look amazing. Get those.
> Can I have your old Bullseye pedals?
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Robert Barr]

I love my Grip Kings, but can't think of a good way to make them barefoot
friendly. For me they definitely grip,  although I have read the many
reports of making them grippier.


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> Those Moto pedals look amazing. Get those.
> Can I have your old Bullseye pedals?
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Philip Williamson]

Those Moto pedals look amazing. Get those.
Can I have your old Bullseye pedals?

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Seeking to tap the collective eyes and ears for any possible new barefoot 
friendly pedal options people may have bumped into. There is wobble in my 
left Bullseye pedal -- it got wet inside and rusted pretty bad and still 
wobbles after being rebuilt. Wobble is bad for vertigo, so I'm looking for 
a new answer. So far the best options are:

-- Moto Urban Pedals: http://motobicycles.com Pricy, but promising.
-- VP 001's or similar without pins, possibly with textured deck tape.
-- Cheep composite pedals (which I have): 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MX1OCS/ref=s9_simh_gw_p200_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-4&pf_rd_r=1PYH3KTJAJ1YWMXCPVQB&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470939031&pf_rd_i=507846
 
Problem is they add a lot of "noise" to the proprioceptive feel due to 
their cheep materials and construction.

Any other ideas?

With abandon,
Patrick   

On Friday, April 19, 2013 7:27:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[bo richardson]

I have size ten and a half feet and the gripsters work well for me. but for 
a larger foot 
i  suggest the larger Tioga pedal.  It may have started as a BMX pedal
 
It has spikes 
I wonder if a thin rubbery sheet could be put on the pedal and
anchored with the allen key pins screwed through the rubber
 

On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:27:37 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers. 
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>  
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Tim Gavin]

I think I found the perfect ones for you:
http://iowacity.craigslist.org/bik/3746821660.html

white rubber, looks like athletic shoe material

On Friday, April 19, 2013 8:27:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Michael Hechmer]

I have followed this post but hesitant to chime in until today.

Last fall I toyed with the idea of buying a pair of the 5 finger shoe, but 
opted instead for a pair of new balance minimalist sneakers.  I wore them 
in the shop all winter and really liked them.  Today it finally got warm 
enough to try them on the bike.  I'm a pretty good tester because I had 
surgery on the ball of my right foot a couple of years ago and still get a 
hot spot after more than two hours in almost any cycle shoe.  I rode today 
on the White Urban pedal with Bruce Gordon Clips for about 1 1/4 hrs. and 
really liked the feel.  My size 13 shoes don't usually fit well on clipless 
pedals and my Austin sneakers just barely fit under the large boot clip, 
but these new balance fit perfectly, stayed put on the pedal and felt fine.

Michael

On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Jeremy Till]

No experience riding or walking barefoot here, but just for an alternative 
selection, the first pedal that came to mind when you mentioned riding 
barefoot were the Avenir Comfort Pedals, which come stock on a number of 
the bikes which we sell at the shop where I work: 

http://www.rei.com/product/814835/avenir-comfort-bike-pedals-special-buy

Now, these are nowhere near the quality of MKS or the nicer VP options, but 
on the flipside, you could probably buy a lifetime supply for the cost of a 
premium pedal.   But for riding barefoot these are what i would choose: 
big, resin pedal body with plenty of surface area, with a nice, firm 
rubberized coating.  Rounded edges, and no pins to remove or gaps to fill.  

They're an Avenir product so any LBS that sells Raleigh or Diamondback 
bikes would most likely have them in stock.  Also widely available on 
Amazon, etc.  

On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:27:37 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Meade! What a wondrous trip!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:25:33 PM UTC-6, Meade Anderson wrote:
>
>  I read a interesting little write several years ago on Goat’s sandal 
> setup on the pedals but can’t find it either however here’s a few shots and 
> comments from Bike Snot, ‘er Snob and more…If you look closely you can at 
> least get an idea of what he was playing with…I’ve seen better pictures too 
> but it maybe somewhere in one of Ride the Spine’s galleries…good luck…
>
>  
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmuirfromsc/7265984898/
>
> http://www.ridingthespine.com/gallery/mexicogal2.html
>
>  Look at the very last shop on the #11 gallery…
>
> Or…
>
>
> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FDBW6Ek3bzI/TqVljFZudTI/Wxg/M-tic9xCYSM/s1600/%2528R%2529Evolutions%2Bper%2BMinute_%2BCargo%2BBikes%2Bin%2Bthe%2BUS%2B-%2Ba%2Btrailer%2Bfor%2Bthe%2Bcrowdsourced%2Bdocumentary%2B-%2BYouTube-5.jpg
>
> Comment from Bike Snob:  I think that guy in sandals is Goat from Riding 
> the Spine, in which case those sandals are actually bolted onto the pedal. 
> I'm not sure where that fits into the smugness-spectrum... 
>
>
> http://www.hamptons.com/Community/Business/6329/Custom-Bikes-For-The-Green-Minded-Traveller.html
>
>  
>
> Funnily enough, Wright's favorite creation is currently on a trek from 
> Alaska to the southern-tip of South America, ridden by one of his friends, 
> a man that goes simply by the name of "Goat." The bicycle, lovingly 
> referred to as "Chupacabra," was designed to hold 200 pounds of gear on its 
> back end and currently has flip-flop sandals bolted to its pedals, as Goat 
> prefers to not wear shoes. It must be noted, Wright said, that Chupacabras 
> are known in Latin American folklore as demonic animals prone to sucking 
> the blood of -- what else but goats. "I worked over a period of a number of 
> weeks" on that bike, Wright recalled, "a lot of late nights."
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Meade Anderson
>
>  
>
>  
>  

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you, Meade. I searched the site, but had trouble finding Goat's 
barefoot riding or flipflop pedals. Any guidance appreciated.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:12:53 AM UTC-6, Meade Anderson wrote:
>
>  http://www.ridingthespine.com/goat.html
>
> looks for information on Goat’s barefoot riding and his flipflop pedals…
>
>  
>
> Meade Anderson
>
>  
>
>  
>  

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RE: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Philip Williamson]

Quelle shameful! Fixed now.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8526049480/in/photostream/

Philip
www.bikesnob.com

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Liesl]

Patrick, I don't ride barefoot but I ride in moccasins with regularity and 
I have wide flipper feet (except they're small feet).  Thin Gripsters are 
the bees knees.  If you took off the spikes and maybe just filed the edges 
a bit to round 'em I could see riding them barefoot.  good luck and keep us 
posted. 

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RE: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Photo marked "private", Philip

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philip Williamson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:47 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

You would definitely NOT want the skate decks for clipless pedals, because they 
have as much float as the pedal. I think the VP-001s might work.
Here's a pick of them with skateboard grip tape on one side instead of spikes: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8526049480/

For fixed gear riding, you might consider the "Hold Fast" foot straps that 
Rivendell recommends on the Gripster page.
http://holdfastordie.com/store/foot-retention-system
http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2009/07/hold-fast/

While I ride fixed without foot retention, I'm not going to recommend it to 
anyone else.

Philip
www.biketinker.com<http://www.biketinker.com>


On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:27:37 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love input 
on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin Gripster 
and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.

Relavant détails:
-- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) because of 
the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets the body know 
where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and resultant vertigo.
-- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a second 
pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
-- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are perhaps 
the ideal barefoot pedal.
-- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to clipless.
-- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are well 
acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with pedals tells 
me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender from the same 
pressure points.
-- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal with 
rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
-- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.

-- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a thin 
Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads with broad 
flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your input!

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org<http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org>
www.OurHolyConception.org<http://www.OurHolyConception.org>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Philip Williamson]

You would definitely NOT want the skate decks for clipless pedals, because 
they have as much float as the pedal. I think the VP-001s might work. 
Here's a pick of them with skateboard grip tape on one side instead of 
spikes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8526049480/

For fixed gear riding, you might consider the "Hold Fast" foot straps that 
Rivendell recommends on the Gripster page. 
http://holdfastordie.com/store/foot-retention-system
http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2009/07/hold-fast/

While I ride fixed without foot retention, I'm not going to recommend it to 
anyone else. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:27:37 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[BykMor]

Again, no first hand knowledge here, but I would second the suggestion of 
the Ergon pedal:
http://www.ergon-bike.com/us/en/product/pc2

I'd also recommend a good chainguard :-o

Happy Trails,
BykMor


On Friday, April 19, 2013 8:27:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Jay. The only pedals I've tried are the MKS rubber touring, a 
custom all wood pedal, and the Bullseye Woodies.

Vibram FiveFingers: Are too narrow for my flippers. My feet widened in my 
first 200 miles of running so my first pair of VFFs stopped working. And my 
forefeet only got wider from there.  I actually have feet too wide for 
nearly all available conventional footwear (at least that is zero drop, no 
cushioning).

Grip Kings: I suspected the nubbies and the middle vacant area would be too 
much.

VPs: I'd remove the cleats/spikes.

Pressure Points: My biggest issue here came pre-midfoot revelation (with 
the lower saddle to make it work) and I haven't tried the MKS touring 
rubber pedals since (as I got the platforms after), but the middle vacant 
area was where my forefoot rested on them and after 30-40 miles nearly all 
mountainous climbing my feet were sore. I imagine the midfoot position 
helps with this.

If I try any new pedals, I'll post my experience here.

WIth abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, April 19, 2013 8:14:27 AM UTC-6, Jay B wrote:
>
> Hey Patrick,
>
> The thing I appreciate about the Grip Kings and (even more so) the VP Thin 
> Gripsters is the surface area that allows one to move the feet fore/aft and 
> side to side on the pedal.  This, for me at least, prevents any of the 
> pressure point problems that you mention and I experienced with various 
> clipless system I've used over the year.  That said, the spikes on the VP's 
> and the aftermarket spikes on my Grip Kings are pretty rough on my bare 
> feet, and I don't ride more than around the neighborhood barefoot.  I have 
> found that the VP's work great with Vibram FiveFingers though (considerably 
> less so with the GripKings with their interstitial and uneven space between 
> the grippy pedal sections).  I don't know if you've tried those or if they 
> would give you the feedback you need, but several models have very thin 
> soles.  
>
> -Jay B.
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
>> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
>> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>>
>> Relavant détails:
>> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
>> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
>> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
>> resultant vertigo.
>> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
>> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
>> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
>> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
>> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike 
>> Tinker because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
>> clipless.
>> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
>> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
>> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
>> from the same pressure points.
>> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring 
>> pedal with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a 
>> bit.
>> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>>
>> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
>> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
>> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks for your input!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
>>

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[RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Jay B]

Hey Patrick,

The thing I appreciate about the Grip Kings and (even more so) the VP Thin 
Gripsters is the surface area that allows one to move the feet fore/aft and 
side to side on the pedal.  This, for me at least, prevents any of the 
pressure point problems that you mention and I experienced with various 
clipless system I've used over the year.  That said, the spikes on the VP's 
and the aftermarket spikes on my Grip Kings are pretty rough on my bare 
feet, and I don't ride more than around the neighborhood barefoot.  I have 
found that the VP's work great with Vibram FiveFingers though (considerably 
less so with the GripKings with their interstitial and uneven space between 
the grippy pedal sections).  I don't know if you've tried those or if they 
would give you the feedback you need, but several models have very thin 
soles.  

-Jay B.

On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:27:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Question upfront: how barefoot friendly are the pedals you ride? I'd love 
> input on all pedals, but am specifically wondering about both the VP thin 
> Gripster and MKS Grip King Rivendell offers.
>
> Relavant détails:
> -- I ride barefoot or in thin leather moccasins (when cold requires) 
> because of the increased proprioception (feedback from the feet that lets 
> the body know where it is in space) I require due to brain stem damage and 
> resultant vertigo.
> -- I am possibly acquiring a second bike (fixie) and thus in need of a 
> second pair of barefoot friendly pedals.
> -- I have and love my oak woodie Bullseye Pedals on my Hunga. These are 
> perhaps the ideal barefoot pedal.
> -- I'm doubtful about the clip less platform pedal set up from Bike Tinker 
> because of the inherent, albeit slight, rotational play inherent to 
> clipless.
> -- I live and run mountain trails barefoot or moccasined, so my feet are 
> well acclimated to rough/uneven surfaces; however, my experience with 
> pedals tells me that on rides longer than 2-3 hours, the foot gets tender 
> from the same pressure points.
> -- The pedal to beat (aside from the oak woodies) is the MKS Touring pedal 
> with rubber blocks. I have a pair with the outer "rings" filed down a bit.
> -- I ride mostly midfoot on the pedal.
>
> -- One thought on "possibly worth trying" is the Gripster pedals with a 
> thin Vibram soling (which I have) somehow screwed into the cleat treads 
> with broad flathead screws. Any suggestions here greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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