Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

2022-03-28 Thread Richard Rose 
I am really liking mine. So what angle is working for you? I think I may need a 
tiny bit more lift to the nose as I still slide forward just a little.

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> On Mar 28, 2022, at 11:21 AM, james k  wrote:
> 
> I Have a B67 on my clem jr and find it the most comfortable.  I had switched 
> to a cambium c19 for awhile but it was way more harsh on the bumpy stuff so 
> ultimately went back.  finding the right angle has been key in my experience 
> as they do tend to push you off the front if not angled properly 
> 
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>> I've had B17 and Flyer on my Joe Appaloosa.  I had the same on my AHH.  They 
>> felt Ok, but not quite right (I liked the Flyer on the Joe very much).  Then 
>> I tried B67 and B68s on my Platy and AHH--so much better for my sits bones.  
>> Instead of the saddle being between my sits bones, it was now under my sits 
>> bones.  
>> 
>> I like both B68 and B67 equally well and have the B67 on a bike I'm more 
>> likely to lock up (and possibly get stolen).  I can replace the B67.  Platy 
>> and AHH have the B68.
>> 
>> If I ever decide to go on a long ride on Platy  or AHH (like multiple days 
>> or >50 or 100 miles in one day), I might change the saddle to the B67 
>> springed version for the more shock absorbing quality.  My flyers squeaked 
>> but didn't bother me.  My B67 does not squeak.
>> 
>> Roberta
>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
>>> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
>>> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather saddles 
>>> (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff bikes" I 
>>> rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
>>> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to 
>>> get comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my 
>>> everything else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a 
>>> more swept back bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne 
>>> stem. I was pretty comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place 
>>> where I was not sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the 
>>> experiment led me to my interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem (Lucky 
>>> day!). To date I have only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs saddle 
>>> and it has been great for most of the nearly 600 miles I have put on the 
>>> bike. Most of those rides have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in length. The 
>>> other day I went almost three hours and my sit bones were getting 
>>> uncomfortable. My thinking is that the SQ is just too narrow for the very 
>>> upright position. The B67 seems the natural choice. Thus my question - why 
>>> do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes and on Clem's in particular?
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[RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

2022-03-28 Thread james k 
I Have a B67 on my clem jr and find it the most comfortable.  I had 
switched to a cambium c19 for awhile but it was way more harsh on the bumpy 
stuff so ultimately went back.  finding the right angle has been key in my 
experience as they do tend to push you off the front if not angled properly 

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> I've had B17 and Flyer on my Joe Appaloosa.  I had the same on my AHH.  
> They felt Ok, but not quite right (I liked the Flyer on the Joe very 
> much).  Then I tried B67 and B68s on my Platy and AHH--so much better for 
> my sits bones.  Instead of the saddle being between my sits bones, it was 
> now under my sits bones.  
>
> I like both B68 and B67 equally well and have the B67 on a bike I'm more 
> likely to lock up (and possibly get stolen).  I can replace the B67.  Platy 
> and AHH have the B68.
>
> If I ever decide to go on a long ride on Platy  or AHH (like multiple days 
> or >50 or 100 miles in one day), I might change the saddle to the B67 
> springed version for the more shock absorbing quality.  My flyers squeaked 
> but didn't bother me.  My B67 does not squeak.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
>> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
>> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather saddles 
>> (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff bikes" I 
>> rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
>> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to 
>> get comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my 
>> everything else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a 
>> more swept back bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne 
>> stem. I was pretty comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place 
>> where I was not sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the 
>> experiment led me to my interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem (Lucky 
>> day!). To date I have only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs saddle 
>> and it has been great for most of the nearly 600 miles I have put on the 
>> bike. Most of those rides have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in length. The 
>> other day I went almost three hours and my sit bones were getting 
>> uncomfortable. My thinking is that the SQ is just too narrow for the very 
>> upright position. The B67 seems the natural choice. Thus my question - why 
>> do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes and on Clem's in particular?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

2022-03-21 Thread Roberta 
I've had B17 and Flyer on my Joe Appaloosa.  I had the same on my AHH.  
They felt Ok, but not quite right (I liked the Flyer on the Joe very 
much).  Then I tried B67 and B68s on my Platy and AHH--so much better for 
my sits bones.  Instead of the saddle being between my sits bones, it was 
now under my sits bones.  

I like both B68 and B67 equally well and have the B67 on a bike I'm more 
likely to lock up (and possibly get stolen).  I can replace the B67.  Platy 
and AHH have the B68.

If I ever decide to go on a long ride on Platy  or AHH (like multiple days 
or >50 or 100 miles in one day), I might change the saddle to the B67 
springed version for the more shock absorbing quality.  My flyers squeaked 
but didn't bother me.  My B67 does not squeak.

Roberta

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather saddles 
> (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff bikes" I 
> rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to 
> get comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my 
> everything else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a 
> more swept back bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne 
> stem. I was pretty comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place 
> where I was not sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the 
> experiment led me to my interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem (Lucky 
> day!). To date I have only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs saddle 
> and it has been great for most of the nearly 600 miles I have put on the 
> bike. Most of those rides have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in length. The 
> other day I went almost three hours and my sit bones were getting 
> uncomfortable. My thinking is that the SQ is just too narrow for the very 
> upright position. The B67 seems the natural choice. Thus my question - why 
> do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes and on Clem's in particular?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

2022-03-21 Thread Richard Rose 
I have a S83 on the way. I did not realize it has more setback than the stock 
Kalloy?

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> On Mar 21, 2022, at 4:13 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You might also need a seat post with more setback, like Nitto S83 or S84. I 
> like the lugged Nitto S84, but everyone's different.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 12:35:08 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Very good to hear. I can deal with that.:)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 21, 2022, at 2:08 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> If you were sliding off the front of the B67, next time angle the nose up 
>>> till the back is about level. Test ride and adjust until you no longer 
>>> slide forward or back. The nose might look like it's pointing up in a 
>>> dangerous direction, but I've never seen a well used B67 on a bike where 
>>> the nose wasn't pointed upward. It's not how your saddle looks when you're 
>>> not riding, it's how your saddle feels when you are.
>>> 
>>> It's more than just your riding position, the width of your sit bones 
>>> matters too as to whether the B67 will be comfortable. If you have wider 
>>> sit bones like me, a wider saddle like the B67 or the Berthoud Aubisque or 
>>> Berthoud Vars is a must.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:19:32 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather 
> saddles (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff 
> bikes" I rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to 
> get comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my 
> everything else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a 
> more swept back bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne 
> stem. I was pretty comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place 
> where I was not sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the 
> experiment led me to my interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem 
> (Lucky day!). To date I have only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs 
> saddle and it has been great for most of the nearly 600 miles I have put 
> on the bike. Most of those rides have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in 
> length. The other day I went almost three hours and my sit bones were 
> getting uncomfortable. My thinking is that the SQ is just too narrow for 
> the very upright position. The B67 seems the natural choice. Thus my 
> question - why do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes and on Clem's in 
> particular?
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

2022-03-21 Thread 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
You might also need a seat post with more setback, like Nitto S83 or S84. I 
like the lugged Nitto S84, but everyone's different.

John

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 12:35:08 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very good to hear. I can deal with that.:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 2:08 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> If you were sliding off the front of the B67, next time angle the nose up 
> till the back is about level. Test ride and adjust until you no longer 
> slide forward or back. The nose might look like it's pointing up in a 
> dangerous direction, but I've never seen a well used B67 on a bike where 
> the nose wasn't pointed upward. It's not how your saddle looks when you're 
> not riding, it's how your saddle feels when you are.
>
> It's more than just your riding position, the width of your sit bones 
> matters too as to whether the B67 will be comfortable. If you have wider 
> sit bones like me, a wider saddle like the B67 or the Berthoud Aubisque or 
> Berthoud Vars is a must.
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:19:32 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
>> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
>> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather saddles 
>> (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff bikes" I 
>> rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
>> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to 
>> get comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my 
>> everything else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a 
>> more swept back bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne 
>> stem. I was pretty comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place 
>> where I was not sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the 
>> experiment led me to my interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem (Lucky 
>> day!). To date I have only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs saddle 
>> and it has been great for most of the nearly 600 miles I have put on the 
>> bike. Most of those rides have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in length. The 
>> other day I went almost three hours and my sit bones were getting 
>> uncomfortable. My thinking is that the SQ is just too narrow for the very 
>> upright position. The B67 seems the natural choice. Thus my question - why 
>> do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes and on Clem's in particular?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

2022-03-21 Thread Richard Rose 
Very good to hear. I can deal with that.:)

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> On Mar 21, 2022, at 2:08 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you were sliding off the front of the B67, next time angle the nose up 
> till the back is about level. Test ride and adjust until you no longer slide 
> forward or back. The nose might look like it's pointing up in a dangerous 
> direction, but I've never seen a well used B67 on a bike where the nose 
> wasn't pointed upward. It's not how your saddle looks when you're not riding, 
> it's how your saddle feels when you are.
> 
> It's more than just your riding position, the width of your sit bones matters 
> too as to whether the B67 will be comfortable. If you have wider sit bones 
> like me, a wider saddle like the B67 or the Berthoud Aubisque or Berthoud 
> Vars is a must.
> 
> John
> 
>> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:19:32 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
>> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
>> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather saddles 
>> (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff bikes" I 
>> rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
>> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to get 
>> comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my everything 
>> else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a more swept back 
>> bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne stem. I was pretty 
>> comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place where I was not 
>> sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the experiment led me to my 
>> interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem (Lucky day!). To date I have 
>> only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs saddle and it has been great for 
>> most of the nearly 600 miles I have put on the bike. Most of those rides 
>> have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in length. The other day I went almost three 
>> hours and my sit bones were getting uncomfortable. My thinking is that the 
>> SQ is just too narrow for the very upright position. The B67 seems the 
>> natural choice. Thus my question - why do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes 
>> and on Clem's in particular?
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[RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

2022-03-21 Thread 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
If you were sliding off the front of the B67, next time angle the nose up 
till the back is about level. Test ride and adjust until you no longer 
slide forward or back. The nose might look like it's pointing up in a 
dangerous direction, but I've never seen a well used B67 on a bike where 
the nose wasn't pointed upward. It's not how your saddle looks when you're 
not riding, it's how your saddle feels when you are.

It's more than just your riding position, the width of your sit bones 
matters too as to whether the B67 will be comfortable. If you have wider 
sit bones like me, a wider saddle like the B67 or the Berthoud Aubisque or 
Berthoud Vars is a must.

John

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:19:32 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather saddles 
> (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff bikes" I 
> rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to 
> get comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my 
> everything else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a 
> more swept back bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne 
> stem. I was pretty comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place 
> where I was not sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the 
> experiment led me to my interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem (Lucky 
> day!). To date I have only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs saddle 
> and it has been great for most of the nearly 600 miles I have put on the 
> bike. Most of those rides have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in length. The 
> other day I went almost three hours and my sit bones were getting 
> uncomfortable. My thinking is that the SQ is just too narrow for the very 
> upright position. The B67 seems the natural choice. Thus my question - why 
> do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes and on Clem's in particular?
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B67 on a Clem or other upright bike

2022-03-20 Thread Sofie C 
I've cycled through a few different saddles but I now prefer my B67s on my 
new clem (even over my Berthoud Marie-Blanque saddle and definitely more 
than the B17). The cons of the saddle seem to be the weight (those heavy 
springs!) -- also at first the leather feels almost plastic-like, as 
compared to the smooth leather on the B17. I also think the springiness of 
the saddle is perceptible in a good way, which makes up for the weight. The 
B67s feels the most hammock-like of any of the ones I've tried. Granted, I 
have not taken the Clem or the saddle for any long rides, so I speak from 
very limited experience!

On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 12:19:32 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This may or may not be a question aimed specifically at Clem owners. 
> Rivendell suggest the B67 for very upright positions. But, most Riv bikes 
> (Clem or other) I see have either B17, Flyer or other brand leather saddles 
> (Rivet, RH, SAA...). Even when I take a look at the Riv "staff bikes" I 
> rarely see a B67, though most of the bikes look pretty upright.
> FWIW, I tried a secondhand B67 on my Jones bike when I was struggling to 
> get comfortable on it after converting it from my mountain bike to my 
> everything else bike. In that effort I swapped the Jones loop bar for a 
> more swept back bar (Soma Oxford) and jacked the bars up using a VO Cigne 
> stem. I was pretty comfortable but just could not get the B67 in a place 
> where I was not sliding forward so I (foolishly?) sold it. But the 
> experiment led me to my interest in and eventual purchase of my Clem (Lucky 
> day!). To date I have only ridden the Clem with my trusty SQ Labs saddle 
> and it has been great for most of the nearly 600 miles I have put on the 
> bike. Most of those rides have been between 1 - 2.5 hours in length. The 
> other day I went almost three hours and my sit bones were getting 
> uncomfortable. My thinking is that the SQ is just too narrow for the very 
> upright position. The B67 seems the natural choice. Thus my question - why 
> do I not see more B67's on Riv bikes and on Clem's in particular?
>

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