[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome, Mark! You've got me beat, both in distance and temp. Wow! I've 
done those temps winter camping, but not by bike. Tip of me tammie to you! 
You definitely made the right call to shorten the ride. At those temps and 
winds, anything you do without losing a digit (or worse) is a roaring 
success. Feet are definitely the trickiest. For that level of cold, I'd 
suggest Empire or Steger Mukluks. They don't work for me because we don't 
get that kind of cold but for a few days at a time, and the days are 
gennarally too warm for them (they rot out if it's too warm). But for zero 
and below, they are brilliant! I had -30˚F (or colder, the thermometer 
bottomed out) and had warm feet just sitting around in them. But my attempt 
to use Stegers only survived 30 days (14 of use) due to the rotting issue 
with freeze/thaw. Steger in the end made it right. For overnights, you need 
multiple liners so they can dry out, as well as a good rotation of socks. 
We can talk more off group if you have further questions.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[hsmitham]

All I can say is you guy's are nuts!

Well I'll add this, Mark a really compelling story and adventure...though I 
have to say I'll pay the high real estate prices out here in the land of 20C

~Hugh shivering at 7C Smitham
  Los Angeles, CA 

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold 
> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for 
> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag 
> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a 
> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>
> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt 
> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed. 
>
> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where 
> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the 
> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late 
> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no 
> matter what!
>
> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>
>
> 
>
> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C 
> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down 
> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe 
> warmers. 
>
> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the 
> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> And a few more from the ride. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally 
> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with 
> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We 
> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a 
> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black 
> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I 
> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>
> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too 
> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret 
> at all.
>
> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I 
> can test out the winter camping gear. 
>
> Get out there!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[dougP]

That's definitely pushing the envelope.  Good on ya for pulling the plug 
when you did.  This makes my silly little photo of snow in SoCal look 
pretty wimpy.  The only commonality on the two rides is we both were on 
Atlantis.  Heck, I didn't even wear full fingered gloves (dumb mistake on 
my part; lack of experience).  

dougP

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold 
> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for 
> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag 
> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a 
> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>
> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt 
> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed. 
>
> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where 
> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the 
> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late 
> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no 
> matter what!
>
> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>
>
> 
>
> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C 
> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down 
> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe 
> warmers. 
>
> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the 
> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> And a few more from the ride. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally 
> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with 
> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We 
> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a 
> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black 
> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I 
> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>
> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too 
> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret 
> at all.
>
> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I 
> can test out the winter camping gear. 
>
> Get out there!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Evan]

Mark,

Dang! You are one tough rider. 

So, did the water in your stainless bottle freeze after ten minutes or did 
you add a liberal dose of vodka as antifreeze?

Evan E.
SF, CA



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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Bill Lindsay]

and here's me, thinking that the FatLantis can't get any more butch.and 
there he goes, getting more butch.  

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold 
> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for 
> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag 
> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a 
> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>
> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt 
> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed. 
>
> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where 
> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the 
> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late 
> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no 
> matter what!
>
> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>
>
> 
>
> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C 
> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down 
> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe 
> warmers. 
>
> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the 
> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> And a few more from the ride. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally 
> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with 
> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We 
> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a 
> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black 
> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I 
> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>
> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too 
> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret 
> at all.
>
> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I 
> can test out the winter camping gear. 
>
> Get out there!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Marc Irwin]

Helmets off to you!  You are the personification of Rule #9. 
 The lowest 
I've gotten is last year.  I rode my Hunq in -35F windchill, but just a few 
miles to have lunch and back.  The scary part was realizing I could not 
feel the difference between that and more temperate +10-15F.  It only takes 
a few minutes of exposure. 

Marc

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold 
> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for 
> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag 
> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a 
> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>
> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt 
> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed. 
>
> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where 
> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the 
> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late 
> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no 
> matter what!
>
> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>
>
> 
>
> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C 
> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down 
> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe 
> warmers. 
>
> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the 
> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> And a few more from the ride. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally 
> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with 
> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We 
> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a 
> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black 
> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I 
> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>
> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too 
> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret 
> at all.
>
> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I 
> can test out the winter camping gear. 
>
> Get out there!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Bill Lindsay]

I would have given him a Rule #5 to go with that Rule #9.  

On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 10:00:45 AM UTC-8, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Helmets off to you!  You are the personification of Rule #9. 
>  The lowest 
> I've gotten is last year.  I rode my Hunq in -35F windchill, but just a few 
> miles to have lunch and back.  The scary part was realizing I could not 
> feel the difference between that and more temperate +10-15F.  It only takes 
> a few minutes of exposure. 
>
> Marc
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold 
>> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for 
>> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag 
>> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a 
>> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>>
>> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt 
>> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed. 
>>
>> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where 
>> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the 
>> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late 
>> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no 
>> matter what!
>>
>> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C 
>> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down 
>> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe 
>> warmers. 
>>
>> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the 
>> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun. 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> And a few more from the ride. 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally 
>> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with 
>> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We 
>> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a 
>> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black 
>> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I 
>> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>>
>> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too 
>> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret 
>> at all.
>>
>> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I 
>> can test out the winter camping gear. 
>>
>> Get out there!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Bob E]

Thanks for the great report and photos, Mark! Your post inspired me to "get 
out there" and go for a ride in the freshly fallen snow here in New Jersey 
this afternoon. I was mostly warm and toasty bundled up in several layers 
of wool, but my toes were uncomfortably cold after only an hour in the 22 
degree (above zero, not below) weather; I can't imagine being out in -40 
temps! I'd like to know how you dressed for your adventure.

By the way, there was a good post a few weeks ago in Lovely Bicycle! 
regarding the effect humidity has on how cold one feels:
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2014/12/winters-chill-brings-warmer-cold.html

Bob E.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote
>
>
> Get out there!
>

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Deacon Patrick]

Way to get out, Bob! Cool ride. Grin.

Sounds like you may have been warmer with fewer socks. If you put on extra 
socks over what you usually wear, you may have constricted blood flow and 
thus made you foot much colder. At 22˚F I'd just be in a medium wool sock 
and a mesh shoe.

As for humidity, as the temp drops it holds less moisture, so it is easy to 
have high relative humidity and little actual effect or moisture. So at 
extreme cold we have 99% humidity and flakes forming in thin air and no 
clouds as the moisture squeezes out.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-7, Bob E wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the great report and photos, Mark! Your post inspired me to 
> "get out there" and go for a ride in the freshly fallen snow here in New 
> Jersey this afternoon. I was mostly warm and toasty bundled up in several 
> layers of wool, but my toes were uncomfortably cold after only an hour in 
> the 22 degree (above zero, not below) weather; I can't imagine being out in 
> -40 temps! I'd like to know how you dressed for your adventure.
>
> By the way, there was a good post a few weeks ago in Lovely Bicycle! 
> regarding the effect humidity has on how cold one feels:
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2014/12/winters-chill-brings-warmer-cold.html
>
> Bob E.
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 10:37:46 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote
>>
>>
>> Get out there!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Bob E]

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 7:14:18 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Way to get out, Bob! Cool ride. Grin.
>
> Sounds like you may have been warmer with fewer socks. If you put on extra 
> socks over what you usually wear, you may have constricted blood flow and 
> thus made you foot much colder. At 22˚F I'd just be in a medium wool sock 
> and a mesh shoe.
>

Thanks, Patrick. I was wearing only one pair of socks, but it was a pretty 
tight fit in the uninsulated leather boots I was wearing, so you're right 
-- my feet probably were a little too constricted. I'll take your advice, 
but I just don't think I'm ready for mesh shoes just yet in these temps! 
Maybe some insulated boots, like Sorels.

I appreciate your input. And speaking of inspiration, you've certainly 
inspired me to get out more in the winter months -- aside from skiing, I 
used to pretty much hibernate in winter, but after reading about your 
exploits, I picked up my first pair of snowshoes (MSR) last year. Winter is 
fun!

Regards,

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome!

I feel like a bit of a charlatan as I haven't been able to get much (and 
we've had some amazing weather I've had to watch through the window) -- so 
I get to experience things vicariously through you all. So I am selfishly 
glad my prior stupidity has inspired you. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 8:27:50 PM UTC-7, Bob E wrote:
>
>
> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 7:14:18 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Way to get out, Bob! Cool ride. Grin.
>>
>> Sounds like you may have been warmer with fewer socks. If you put on 
>> extra socks over what you usually wear, you may have constricted blood flow 
>> and thus made you foot much colder. At 22˚F I'd just be in a medium wool 
>> sock and a mesh shoe.
>>
>
> Thanks, Patrick. I was wearing only one pair of socks, but it was a pretty 
> tight fit in the uninsulated leather boots I was wearing, so you're right 
> -- my feet probably were a little too constricted. I'll take your advice, 
> but I just don't think I'm ready for mesh shoes just yet in these temps! 
> Maybe some insulated boots, like Sorels.
>
> I appreciate your input. And speaking of inspiration, you've certainly 
> inspired me to get out more in the winter months -- aside from skiing, I 
> used to pretty much hibernate in winter, but after reading about your 
> exploits, I picked up my first pair of snowshoes (MSR) last year. Winter is 
> fun!
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I don't usually pay attention to stated windchill temps (tailwinds feel 
warmer), but back when I had an Atlantis (prior to global warming), I 
commuted on it everyday during Minneapolis winter for several years. I 
definitely rode a number of days where the actual temperature was in the 
minus-teens (F). I recall after a prolonged cold snap that 0F was plenty 
comfortable, and that 10F felt balmy. My cheap Shimano rear hub disengaged 
when it dipped below minus-10F, but my Phil hub worked even at the coldest 
temps. Nowadays, I don't leave home till late morning, so I seldom ride in 
extreme cold temps.

Jim

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 9:37:46 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold 
> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for 
> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag 
> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a 
> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>
> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt 
> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed. 
>
> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where 
> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the 
> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late 
> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no 
> matter what!
>
> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>
>
> 
>
> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C 
> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down 
> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe 
> warmers. 
>
> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the 
> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> And a few more from the ride. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally 
> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with 
> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We 
> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a 
> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black 
> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I 
> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>
> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too 
> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret 
> at all.
>
> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I 
> can test out the winter camping gear. 
>
> Get out there!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Mark Reimer]

Very cool, thanks Patrick! I'll definitely check them out. I was using
45NTH Wolvhammer boots with an SPD clip, which up until that ride have kept
my toasty warm on every ride I've ever used them on, including comparable
temperatures. But about 2 hours into the ride I started getting cold. 3
hours in and I was uncomfortable. Shortly after I lost all feeling in my
toes, which was the driving force in the decision to stop riding. Another
4-5 hours out there would have meant nasty damage for sure. For extreme
cold, flat pedals and non-clip boots seem to be a must if you're out for a
long time.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Awesome, Mark! You've got me beat, both in distance and temp. Wow! I've
> done those temps winter camping, but not by bike. Tip of me tammie to you!
> You definitely made the right call to shorten the ride. At those temps and
> winds, anything you do without losing a digit (or worse) is a roaring
> success. Feet are definitely the trickiest. For that level of cold, I'd
> suggest Empire or Steger Mukluks. They don't work for me because we don't
> get that kind of cold but for a few days at a time, and the days are
> gennarally too warm for them (they rot out if it's too warm). But for zero
> and below, they are brilliant! I had -30˚F (or colder, the thermometer
> bottomed out) and had warm feet just sitting around in them. But my attempt
> to use Stegers only survived 30 days (14 of use) due to the rotting issue
> with freeze/thaw. Steger in the end made it right. For overnights, you need
> multiple liners so they can dry out, as well as a good rotation of socks.
> We can talk more off group if you have further questions.
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Deacon Patrick]

That's the way it goes with inadequate footwear. And lets face it, at those 
temps nearly everything is inadequate. But do not ever let your fingers or 
toes get to the point you think they are warm again, despite conditions 
being the same. That's the very edge of frostbite.

I've wanted a face mask that covers my nose. I'm fine when climbing, but in 
a headwind or on the downhills, flesh will freeze off very fast.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 9:08:54 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Very cool, thanks Patrick! I'll definitely check them out. I was using 
> 45NTH Wolvhammer boots with an SPD clip, which up until that ride have kept 
> my toasty warm on every ride I've ever used them on, including comparable 
> temperatures. But about 2 hours into the ride I started getting cold. 3 
> hours in and I was uncomfortable. Shortly after I lost all feeling in my 
> toes, which was the driving force in the decision to stop riding. Another 
> 4-5 hours out there would have meant nasty damage for sure. For extreme 
> cold, flat pedals and non-clip boots seem to be a must if you're out for a 
> long time. 
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Awesome, Mark! You've got me beat, both in distance and temp. Wow! I've 
>> done those temps winter camping, but not by bike. Tip of me tammie to you! 
>> You definitely made the right call to shorten the ride. At those temps and 
>> winds, anything you do without losing a digit (or worse) is a roaring 
>> success. Feet are definitely the trickiest. For that level of cold, I'd 
>> suggest Empire or Steger Mukluks. They don't work for me because we don't 
>> get that kind of cold but for a few days at a time, and the days are 
>> gennarally too warm for them (they rot out if it's too warm). But for zero 
>> and below, they are brilliant! I had -30˚F (or colder, the thermometer 
>> bottomed out) and had warm feet just sitting around in them. But my attempt 
>> to use Stegers only survived 30 days (14 of use) due to the rotting issue 
>> with freeze/thaw. Steger in the end made it right. For overnights, you need 
>> multiple liners so they can dry out, as well as a good rotation of socks. 
>> We can talk more off group if you have further questions.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Deacon Patrick]

That looks great! I nose breathe, and anything that get in front of my 
nostrils drives me batty (not hard to do). Like you, I use merino wool 
Buffs.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[cyclotourist]

Mark, those pictures are fantastic, thanks for them and the write up!

I posted a pic to the winter thread, but here's another one of today's
outing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16046526337/

I have no frame of reference for what you did!!!

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:28 AM, hsmitham  wrote:

> All I can say is you guy's are nuts!
>
> Well I'll add this, Mark a really compelling story and adventure...though
> I have to say I'll pay the high real estate prices out here in the land of
> 20C
>
> ~Hugh shivering at 7C Smitham
>   Los Angeles, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold
>> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for
>> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag
>> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a
>> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>>
>> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt
>> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.
>>
>> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where
>> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the
>> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late
>> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no
>> matter what!
>>
>> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C
>> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down
>> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe
>> warmers.
>>
>> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the
>> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> And a few more from the ride.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally
>> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with
>> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We
>> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a
>> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black
>> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I
>> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>>
>> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too
>> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret
>> at all.
>>
>> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I
>> can test out the winter camping gear.
>>
>> Get out there!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Eric Norris]

I’m in SoCal today (alas, with no bike) and it is indeed unnaturally warm here. 
I had to run the AC in my rental car yesterday!

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> On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> 
> Mark, those pictures are fantastic, thanks for them and the write up!
> 
> I posted a pic to the winter thread, but here's another one of today's 
> outing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16046526337/ 
> 
> 
> I have no frame of reference for what you did!!!
> 
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:28 AM, hsmitham  > wrote:
> All I can say is you guy's are nuts!
> 
> Well I'll add this, Mark a really compelling story and adventure...though I 
> have to say I'll pay the high real estate prices out here in the land of 20C
> 
> ~Hugh shivering at 7C Smitham
>   Los Angeles, CA 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold ride. 
> 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for Christmas. I'd 
> bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag along and try 
> sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a quinzee, but was 
> eager to try a tent.
> 
> 
> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt 
> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed. 
> 
> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where 
> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the open 
> prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late to back 
> out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no matter what!
> 
> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>  
> 
> 
> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C 
> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down 
> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe 
> warmers. 
> 
> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the 
> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> And a few more from the ride. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally 
> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with 
> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We 
> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a 
> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black from 
> exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I felt 
> pretty good about my 5 hours.
> 
> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too much 
> to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret at all.
> 
> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I can 
> test out the winter camping gear. 
> 
> Get out there!
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Eric Platt]

I salute you for riding in such cold.  Have ridden in the teens to about
-20F.  As it was 30+ years ago, didn't have the correct gear for it.  Don't
think I could get myself out when it gets in the -30 to -40 range.  Wow.

The only foot covering that I know of that could maybe, just maybe handle
that would be Sorrel boots with a couple of layers of socks inside.  Even
then, I wouldn't want to ride far.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I’m in SoCal today (alas, with no bike) and it is indeed unnaturally warm
> here. I had to run the AC in my rental car yesterday!
>
> --Eric N
> campyonly...@me.com
> www.CampyOnly.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
> Blog: http://CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> Mark, those pictures are fantastic, thanks for them and the write up!
>
> I posted a pic to the winter thread, but here's another one of today's
> outing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16046526337/
>
> I have no frame of reference for what you did!!!
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:28 AM, hsmitham  wrote:
>
>> All I can say is you guy's are nuts!
>>
>> Well I'll add this, Mark a really compelling story and adventure...though
>> I have to say I'll pay the high real estate prices out here in the land of
>> 20C
>>
>> ~Hugh shivering at 7C Smitham
>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold
>>> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for
>>> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag
>>> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a
>>> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>>>
>>> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt
>>> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.
>>>
>>> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where
>>> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the
>>> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late
>>> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no
>>> matter what!
>>>
>>> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face
>>> -30C sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat,
>>> down jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical
>>> hand/toe warmers.
>>>
>>> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into
>>> the ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> And a few more from the ride.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally
>>> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with
>>> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We
>>> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a
>>> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black
>>> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I
>>> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>>>
>>> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too
>>> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so
>>> I can test out the winter camping gear.
>>>
>>> Get out there!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Deacon Patrick]

I haven't had it get cold enough since I got my Sorel's to know for sure 
(only got down to -10˚F I think), but I find them more constricting (less 
wide) and far less flexible than a mukluk, both of which contribute greatly 
to warmth. Plus, they do not ventilate well, which the mukluks do. So 
warmer all round to go mukluk over Sorel, if you aren't caught in the 
freeze/thaw cycle. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 6:20:30 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> I salute you for riding in such cold.  Have ridden in the teens to about 
> -20F.  As it was 30+ years ago, didn't have the correct gear for it.  Don't 
> think I could get myself out when it gets in the -30 to -40 range.  Wow.  
>
> The only foot covering that I know of that could maybe, just maybe handle 
> that would be Sorrel boots with a couple of layers of socks inside.  Even 
> then, I wouldn't want to ride far.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
>
>> I’m in SoCal today (alas, with no bike) and it is indeed unnaturally warm 
>> here. I had to run the AC in my rental car yesterday!
>>
>> --Eric N
>> campyo...@me.com 
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> Blog: http://CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com  
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, cyclotourist > > wrote:
>>
>> Mark, those pictures are fantastic, thanks for them and the write up!
>>
>> I posted a pic to the winter thread, but here's another one of today's 
>> outing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16046526337/
>>
>> I have no frame of reference for what you did!!!
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:28 AM, hsmitham > > wrote:
>>
>>> All I can say is you guy's are nuts!
>>>
>>> Well I'll add this, Mark a really compelling story and 
>>> adventure...though I have to say I'll pay the high real estate prices out 
>>> here in the land of 20C
>>>
>>> ~Hugh shivering at 7C Smitham
>>>   Los Angeles, CA 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold 
 ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for 
 Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag 
 along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a 
 quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.

 The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I 
 felt really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed. 

 Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where 
 celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the 
 open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late 
 to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no 
 matter what!

 Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid


 

 I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face 
 -30C sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, 
 down jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical 
 hand/toe warmers. 

 Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into 
 the ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun. 



 


 And a few more from the ride. 


 


 


 


 


 

 In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally 
 frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding 
 with 
 my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We 
 were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a 
 minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black 
 from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. 
 I 
 felt pretty good about my 5 hours.

 When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was 
 too much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not 
 regret at all.

 I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so 
 I can test

Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Mark Reimer]

Bob,

In terms of what I wore for -40, here's my standard 'really cold' getup:

Feet: Really thick wool socks, made by Wigwam and supposedly rated to -40.
I only wear one pair of thick socks, as stuffing extra socks into the boots
removes valuable air space which is essential for insulating. I sometimes
throw a chemical toe-warmer in there as well.

Shoes: 45NTH Wolvhammer boots

Legs: Sugoi winter leggings. These are traditional cycling leggings with a
chamois. I wear them primarily because they are insulated and have a full
wind-proof front which goes up to just below my chest. Over that, I had a
pair of wool long underwear. Over those, I wore some MEC Roubaix winter
cycling tights. Then last, a pair of knickers to keep the goofy tights-look
somewhat at bay, as well as add one final windproof layer over the family
jewels.

Upper: First a thin synthetic base layer. This should be replaced soon with
merino as it smells, hah! Then a cycling jersey, used only so I can make
use of the tri-pockets in the back, which I use to keep food and water warm
next to my body. Then a Cima Coppi long sleeve merino wool jersey. Last, a
fitted Pearl Izumi soft shell jacket with windproof front and vented back.

Hands: Massive MEC winter gloves with a removable insulated liner, plus
chemical hand warmers.

Neck: Merino wool neck/face cover

Head: thin headband, then fitted synthetic MEC hat. If it's REAALLY cold
and windy, I'll add ski goggles.

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Awesome!
>
> I feel like a bit of a charlatan as I haven't been able to get much (and
> we've had some amazing weather I've had to watch through the window) -- so
> I get to experience things vicariously through you all. So I am selfishly
> glad my prior stupidity has inspired you. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 8:27:50 PM UTC-7, Bob E wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 7:14:18 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Way to get out, Bob! Cool ride. Grin.
>>>
>>> Sounds like you may have been warmer with fewer socks. If you put on
>>> extra socks over what you usually wear, you may have constricted blood flow
>>> and thus made you foot much colder. At 22˚F I'd just be in a medium wool
>>> sock and a mesh shoe.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick. I was wearing only one pair of socks, but it was a
>> pretty tight fit in the uninsulated leather boots I was wearing, so you're
>> right -- my feet probably were a little too constricted. I'll take your
>> advice, but I just don't think I'm ready for mesh shoes just yet in these
>> temps! Maybe some insulated boots, like Sorels.
>>
>> I appreciate your input. And speaking of inspiration, you've certainly
>> inspired me to get out more in the winter months -- aside from skiing, I
>> used to pretty much hibernate in winter, but after reading about your
>> exploits, I picked up my first pair of snowshoes (MSR) last year. Winter is
>> fun!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bob
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Bob E]

Mark,
 
Thanks for the breakdown of your kit; it's good to know what works at those 
conditions. I don't think I'll ever experience that kind of cold (at least 
not on a bike), but it's a good reference point that I can adjust 
accordingly for the temperatures I see.
 
This is how I dressed for 22 F:
 
Upper: Smartwool baselayer, EWR heavy wool cycling jersey, Ibex wool vest, 
Ibex wool jacket,
Lower: Synthetic long johns, REI front-insulated cycling pants.
Head: Pearl Izumi balaclava, Walz wool winter cycling cap
Hands: Winter cycling gloves
Feet: Wool knee-high skiing socks, leather ankle-high boots
 
Cheers!
 
Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Mark Reimer]

Ahh yes, cold freewheels. My Phil Wood hub constantly skipped anywhere
below 0C until I degreased the pawls and replaced the lube with a very thin
layer of tri-flow. Now it always works, thankfully.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't usually pay attention to stated windchill temps (tailwinds feel
> warmer), but back when I had an Atlantis (prior to global warming), I
> commuted on it everyday during Minneapolis winter for several years. I
> definitely rode a number of days where the actual temperature was in the
> minus-teens (F). I recall after a prolonged cold snap that 0F was plenty
> comfortable, and that 10F felt balmy. My cheap Shimano rear hub disengaged
> when it dipped below minus-10F, but my Phil hub worked even at the coldest
> temps. Nowadays, I don't leave home till late morning, so I seldom ride in
> extreme cold temps.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 9:37:46 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Over the holidays I got a hair-brained idea to try a really long, cold
>> ride. 165km door-to-door from my apartment to my parents cabin for
>> Christmas. I'd bring my 4-season tent and a new (to me) -30 sleeping bag
>> along and try sleeping out on the frozen lake. I'd done it before in a
>> quinzee, but was eager to try a tent.
>>
>> The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt
>> really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.
>>
>> Temperature: -30C, and -40C with the windchill. That's the point where
>> celcius and farenheit meet! The ride would be nearly entirely across the
>> open prairies, so it would be windy. And cold. Very cold. It was too late
>> to back out though, I had told too many people I was going to do it no
>> matter what!
>>
>> Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C
>> sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down
>> jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe
>> warmers.
>>
>> Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the
>> ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> And a few more from the ride.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally
>> frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding with
>> my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We
>> were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a
>> minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black
>> from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each. I
>> felt pretty good about my 5 hours.
>>
>> When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too
>> much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret
>> at all.
>>
>> I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I
>> can test out the winter camping gear.
>>
>> Get out there!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

[Geoffrey]

I have the fasterkatt shoes, I wish I could find teh wolvhammer boots in my 
size, on the shelf, everyone seems sold out of size 13.  

On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 11:13:50 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> In terms of what I wore for -40, here's my standard 'really cold' getup:
>
> Feet: Really thick wool socks, made by Wigwam and supposedly rated to -40. 
> I only wear one pair of thick socks, as stuffing extra socks into the boots 
> removes valuable air space which is essential for insulating. I sometimes 
> throw a chemical toe-warmer in there as well.
>
> Shoes: 45NTH Wolvhammer boots
>
> Legs: Sugoi winter leggings. These are traditional cycling leggings with a 
> chamois. I wear them primarily because they are insulated and have a full 
> wind-proof front which goes up to just below my chest. Over that, I had a 
> pair of wool long underwear. Over those, I wore some MEC Roubaix winter 
> cycling tights. Then last, a pair of knickers to keep the goofy tights-look 
> somewhat at bay, as well as add one final windproof layer over the family 
> jewels.
>
> Upper: First a thin synthetic base layer. This should be replaced soon 
> with merino as it smells, hah! Then a cycling jersey, used only so I can 
> make use of the tri-pockets in the back, which I use to keep food and water 
> warm next to my body. Then a Cima Coppi long sleeve merino wool jersey. 
> Last, a fitted Pearl Izumi soft shell jacket with windproof front and 
> vented back.
>
> Hands: Massive MEC winter gloves with a removable insulated liner, plus 
> chemical hand warmers.
>
> Neck: Merino wool neck/face cover
>
> Head: thin headband, then fitted synthetic MEC hat. If it's REAALLY cold 
> and windy, I'll add ski goggles. 
>
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Awesome!
>>
>> I feel like a bit of a charlatan as I haven't been able to get much (and 
>> we've had some amazing weather I've had to watch through the window) -- so 
>> I get to experience things vicariously through you all. So I am selfishly 
>> glad my prior stupidity has inspired you. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 8:27:50 PM UTC-7, Bob E wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 7:14:18 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Way to get out, Bob! Cool ride. Grin.

 Sounds like you may have been warmer with fewer socks. If you put on 
 extra socks over what you usually wear, you may have constricted blood 
 flow 
 and thus made you foot much colder. At 22˚F I'd just be in a medium wool 
 sock and a mesh shoe.

>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick. I was wearing only one pair of socks, but it was a 
>>> pretty tight fit in the uninsulated leather boots I was wearing, so you're 
>>> right -- my feet probably were a little too constricted. I'll take your 
>>> advice, but I just don't think I'm ready for mesh shoes just yet in these 
>>> temps! Maybe some insulated boots, like Sorels.
>>>
>>> I appreciate your input. And speaking of inspiration, you've certainly 
>>> inspired me to get out more in the winter months -- aside from skiing, I 
>>> used to pretty much hibernate in winter, but after reading about your 
>>> exploits, I picked up my first pair of snowshoes (MSR) last year. Winter is 
>>> fun!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
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