Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Yes, anybody can ship a bike to Hiawatha Cyclery. Upon request, we will unpack 
and assemble and then later repackage and ship UPS (labor and ups charges 
apply). Ideally we'd receive the bike a week or so in advance so we have time.

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[bo richardson]

dick DeWard and i are planning to come
his son and family live in M/StP
that will probably be one 68 atlantis
and one 53 atlantis
so taken together we shouldnt change the average height of the peloton at all

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Hugh Smitham]

Jim,

Thanks for taking the bull by the horns and volunteering to organize an
event in the MSP area I've never been to this part of America and would
love to join in and especially meet other Riv folk . Since I'm a West
Coaster and don't want to burn too many vacation days I'd most likely fly
in. So I'm wondering is it feasible and not too presumptuous to ship one of
my bikes to Hiawatha Cyclery ahead of time? Then fly in and make my way to
your shop to pick it up. It would be really sweet if Hiawatha even had it
put together for me. I'm sure there might be others with the same notion so
probably a good idea to nail this part down. To keep the trip manageable
I'll probably camp or if I find good/ reasonable (read that as inexpensive)
accommodations like a hostel go that route. Really depends on how this all
shapes up. If there's a good group camp area close to where all the events
take place then that decision may take care of it self.

I think it would be a good idea to start a group specific to this event so
everyone involved will be up to date, just my two cents.

Jim M, I also really appreciate you making the effort to plan a Riv rally
in the epicenter of all things Rivy...Been looking at my calendar and since
it's so early in the planning I'd like to propose the weekend before the
11th as I'll be travelling back down the coast from PDX and I could extend
my time to coincide with the rally. If that's asking too much I'll
understand and try to figure something else out.

~Hugh"who wants to cram in as much Rivyness in 2014 as he can" Smitham

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moving." -- Albert Einstein

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On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
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> I volunteer to host, northern Wisconsin or perhaps my ancestral homeland
> of Upper Michigan. Dates are flexible, but I prefer late Sept for splendid
> Fall color. Lots of northwoods adventure. A real possibility of
> encountering wolves (they probably won't eat you). Probably more
> camping-centric than B&B centric, and not much for yuppie cafes and quaint
> gift shops, but nothing is perfect for everybody. Of course, if it's just
> two or three days, we could rent cabins and do day trips.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Bruce Herbitter]

That would be super. We can get a picture of both our 650B Roads together!


On 1/13/2014 10:17 AM, Tim Gavin wrote:
Jim T:  I'm in for the September gathering; not too far away from 
Ioway.  My on my Riv Road 650b


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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Tim Gavin]

Jim T:  I'm in for the September gathering; not too far away from Ioway.
 My on my Riv Road 650b and my gf on her new Soma San Marcos.

West coasters:  I'd love to make the SF Riv Jamboree, but I'm already
committed to ride RAGBRAI July 20-26, so that date won't work for me.  If
the date changes, I'll definitely try to make it.  Otherwise, have a great
event!

Tim in Cedar Rapids, IA, who rode about 15 miles in 40 degree slush
yesterday, with a huge grin on his face the whole time.


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> To throw in my 2 cents, I will be in the Bay Area in early August for the
> California Central Coast 1200k Randonee and would be interested in a Riv
> rally if one was held while I was in the area.
>
> At any rate, I plan on a pilgrimage to Rivendell World HQ while I am there.
>
> Jim
> On Nov 18, 2013 4:10 AM, "Philip Williamson" 
> wrote:
>
>> I live in the Bay Area. I will attend a Bay Area Riv Rally. I can ride my
>> bike to China Camp.
>>
>> That said:
>>
>> A 20th Anniversary Rivendell Bicycles Freaky Jamboree doesn't belong
>> anywhere but Mt. Diablo.
>> Not a single Rivendell employee has made any comment on the proposed
>> National Jamboree.
>> Not a single Rivendell employee has made any comment on a Twentieth
>> Anniversary Shindig.
>>
>>
>> I think the Riv folk have something up their sleeveses.
>>
>> "Television Psychic,"
>> Philip
>>
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:36:10 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> I know. How about a loop up through Mendocino County through Anderson
>>> Valley, Philo and then down the coast back to the city.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>>
 Sign me up, now!  This has the makings of an event to base a tour
 around (hint-hint) for those who may be off for the summer or looking for a
 bike-worthy vacation.  Start thinkin' & dreamin'.

 dougP


 On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:56:50 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

> What Ryan said, lets nail the weekend and location once and for all!
> It might be too much to ask the RBW folk to host as it seems they have
> their hands full with the BB&H store front. We do need locals to take the
> lead , perhaps create another Group dedicated to the organization &
> planning of the event.
>
> I don't feel like re-reading through six pages on this thread but I
> recall some of the BA locals mentioning that there are eating
> establishments close to the camp...just Google mapped C.C. man it's right
> on San Pablo Bay and food within I believe a flat 8 miles, and Mount Tam 
> is
> right there.
> C'mon let's do this. Summer 2014 China Camp!
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
>
>>  I had proposed multiple rallies but was clearly shot down.  Yet
>> there can be only one "National Jamboree" so the logical spot in my 
>> opinion
>> is Rivendell world headquarters and the surrounding area.  It appeared to
>> be leading in the poll system as well although again in my opinion it was
>> setup in a flawed manner.  Regardless someone with local ties (host) 
>> should
>> select the official weekend, inquire if Grant and company wish to play 
>> any
>> additional role, and create a committee to pull off this wonderful
>> undertaking.  As a Michigander who has been dreaming of a visit this will
>> likely be the occasion that motivates me to act.  Enough debate.time
>> for one or more to take action.
>> Ryan "Midwest based" Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim Bronson]

To throw in my 2 cents, I will be in the Bay Area in early August for the
California Central Coast 1200k Randonee and would be interested in a Riv
rally if one was held while I was in the area.

At any rate, I plan on a pilgrimage to Rivendell World HQ while I am there.

Jim
On Nov 18, 2013 4:10 AM, "Philip Williamson" 
wrote:

> I live in the Bay Area. I will attend a Bay Area Riv Rally. I can ride my
> bike to China Camp.
>
> That said:
>
> A 20th Anniversary Rivendell Bicycles Freaky Jamboree doesn't belong
> anywhere but Mt. Diablo.
> Not a single Rivendell employee has made any comment on the proposed
> National Jamboree.
> Not a single Rivendell employee has made any comment on a Twentieth
> Anniversary Shindig.
>
>
> I think the Riv folk have something up their sleeveses.
>
> "Television Psychic,"
> Philip
>
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:36:10 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> I know. How about a loop up through Mendocino County through Anderson
>> Valley, Philo and then down the coast back to the city.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>>> Sign me up, now!  This has the makings of an event to base a tour around
>>> (hint-hint) for those who may be off for the summer or looking for a
>>> bike-worthy vacation.  Start thinkin' & dreamin'.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:56:50 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 What Ryan said, lets nail the weekend and location once and for all! It
 might be too much to ask the RBW folk to host as it seems they have their
 hands full with the BB&H store front. We do need locals to take the lead ,
 perhaps create another Group dedicated to the organization & planning of
 the event.

 I don't feel like re-reading through six pages on this thread but I
 recall some of the BA locals mentioning that there are eating
 establishments close to the camp...just Google mapped C.C. man it's right
 on San Pablo Bay and food within I believe a flat 8 miles, and Mount Tam is
 right there.
 C'mon let's do this. Summer 2014 China Camp!


 Best,


 ~Hugh


 On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:

>  I had proposed multiple rallies but was clearly shot down.  Yet there
> can be only one "National Jamboree" so the logical spot in my opinion is
> Rivendell world headquarters and the surrounding area.  It appeared to be
> leading in the poll system as well although again in my opinion it was
> setup in a flawed manner.  Regardless someone with local ties (host) 
> should
> select the official weekend, inquire if Grant and company wish to play any
> additional role, and create a committee to pull off this wonderful
> undertaking.  As a Michigander who has been dreaming of a visit this will
> likely be the occasion that motivates me to act.  Enough debate.time
> for one or more to take action.
> Ryan "Midwest based" Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Hugh Smitham]

Or a new group?

~Hugh

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moving." -- Albert Einstein

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On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:

> Jim and Jim you are the best thanks to each of you for stepping up to make
> this summer one potentially the best ever in Rivendell and "country bike"
> riding history.
> Maybe two new threads could be started to keep the ball rolling, let list
> members become accurately informed about each event, and hopefully
> solicited help will be received by those close enough to help.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Abcyclehank]

Jim and Jim you are the best thanks to each of you for stepping up to make this 
summer one potentially the best ever in Rivendell and "country bike" riding 
history. 
Maybe two new threads could be started to keep the ball rolling, let list 
members become accurately informed about each event, and hopefully solicited 
help will be received by those close enough to help.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[dougP]

Jim:

July 19 is conveniently distant from end of September to make BOTH events 
do-able.  Likely we'll have a decent turn-out from So-Cal, especially with 
good advance notice.  We'll drink a toast to Mario Savio.  

dougP

On Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:23:51 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>
> I'm happy to see Jim organize something for Minneapolis. 
>
> But given that 2014 is Riv's 20th birthday (and the 50th anniversary of 
> the Free Speech Movement), I think we need something in the SF Bay too. So 
> I hereby volunteer to attempt to organize a gathering for the weekend of 
> July 19th. It seems like China Camp in Marin was a consensus good location, 
> with a trip to Diablo country to experience the roots of RBW. We will need 
> more volunteers, though, for this to happen.
>
>  WOMAN:  We don't have a lord.
>  ARTHUR:  What?
>  DENNIS:  I told you.  We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.  We take
>   it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
> ARTHUR:  Yes.
> DENNIS:  But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
>   at a special biweekly meeting.
> jim m
> wc ca
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim M.]

I'm happy to see Jim organize something for Minneapolis. 

But given that 2014 is Riv's 20th birthday (and the 50th anniversary of the 
Free Speech Movement), I think we need something in the SF Bay too. So I 
hereby volunteer to attempt to organize a gathering for the weekend of July 
19th. It seems like China Camp in Marin was a consensus good location, with 
a trip to Diablo country to experience the roots of RBW. We will need more 
volunteers, 
though, for this to happen.

 WOMAN:  We don't have a lord.
 ARTHUR:  What?
 DENNIS:  I told you.  We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.  We take
  it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
ARTHUR:  Yes.
DENNIS:  But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
  at a special biweekly meeting.
jim m
wc ca


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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I'm so happy to hear from those of you who've already committed to this! I 
hope we can maintain and expand this enthusiasm over the next 8 months!

I'm not sure what we have for B&Bs in the twin cities, but there are 
certainly plenty of lodging options. For those who'd like to camp, I will 
likely be able to offer my backyard or suggest some "unofficial 
campgrounds". Perhaps other locals will be able to offer a backyard or a 
spare bedroom or couch? If you're going to make a hotel reservation and not 
have a car, check with me first to make sure your hotel is reasonably 
bike-convenient (either in a bike-friendly area or near light rail transit).

For riding, I'm envisioning some mixed surface local explorations 
encompassing everything from our excellent urban bike infrastructure to 
minimally maintained dirt trails that most local cyclists don't know about.

As always, you'll be better off with fat tires than with skinny tires.

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:39:32 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Count me in.  With Saluki, 38 mm tires, and camera.  Could camp but would 
> prefer to be pampered at b&bs.
>
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, January 11, 2014 4:57:23 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> I don't care if anybody calls it a national jamboree or whatever, but we 
>> have a critical mass of Riv types in the Twin Cities or within a day's 
>> drive. Add in Amtrak and a major airport served by bike-friendly transit, 
>> tons of bike shops, terrific bike infrastructure, flattish terrain, and 
>> plenty of lodging options, and we have a compelling case to have a country 
>> bike event here. I'm game for setting something up, though I'll probably 
>> need some locals to step in to help with leading rides, etc. 
>>
>> Just to put a note of finality in it, I'm gonna say that we'll have an 
>> event the last weekend of September (26-28). If you come to the Twin Cities 
>> with a country bike at that time, I'll show you a good time.
>>
>> The itinerary is tentative, but let's plan on a reception Friday night 
>> followed by two days of riding the local area. There will be a camping 
>> option, which may be my backyard, but we'll see.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Marc Irwin]

It's on my calendar, I'm in.

Marc

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 4:57:23 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> I don't care if anybody calls it a national jamboree or whatever, but we 
> have a critical mass of Riv types in the Twin Cities or within a day's 
> drive. Add in Amtrak and a major airport served by bike-friendly transit, 
> tons of bike shops, terrific bike infrastructure, flattish terrain, and 
> plenty of lodging options, and we have a compelling case to have a country 
> bike event here. I'm game for setting something up, though I'll probably 
> need some locals to step in to help with leading rides, etc. 
>
> Just to put a note of finality in it, I'm gonna say that we'll have an 
> event the last weekend of September (26-28). If you come to the Twin Cities 
> with a country bike at that time, I'll show you a good time.
>
> The itinerary is tentative, but let's plan on a reception Friday night 
> followed by two days of riding the local area. There will be a camping 
> option, which may be my backyard, but we'll see.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[dougP]

You gotta love a guy who takes charge & nails a date for a party / rally / 
whatever.  And he's a Rivendell & Surly dealer.  Add to that he's a quirky 
character & what more could you want in a host?  

I've toured the area in both summer & fall, and those dates are about as 
solid as you can get to miss both bug season & snow season.  As long as the 
dates don't conflict, both the Bay Area & Twin Cities are do-able.  
Remember, travel broadens the mind.  

dougP

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:57:23 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> I don't care if anybody calls it a national jamboree or whatever, but we 
> have a critical mass of Riv types in the Twin Cities or within a day's 
> drive. Add in Amtrak and a major airport served by bike-friendly transit, 
> tons of bike shops, terrific bike infrastructure, flattish terrain, and 
> plenty of lodging options, and we have a compelling case to have a country 
> bike event here. I'm game for setting something up, though I'll probably 
> need some locals to step in to help with leading rides, etc. 
>
> Just to put a note of finality in it, I'm gonna say that we'll have an 
> event the last weekend of September (26-28). If you come to the Twin Cities 
> with a country bike at that time, I'll show you a good time.
>
> The itinerary is tentative, but let's plan on a reception Friday night 
> followed by two days of riding the local area. There will be a camping 
> option, which may be my backyard, but we'll see.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Michael Hechmer]

Count me in.  With Saluki, 38 mm tires, and camera.  Could camp but would 
prefer to be pampered at b&bs.

Michael

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 4:57:23 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> I don't care if anybody calls it a national jamboree or whatever, but we 
> have a critical mass of Riv types in the Twin Cities or within a day's 
> drive. Add in Amtrak and a major airport served by bike-friendly transit, 
> tons of bike shops, terrific bike infrastructure, flattish terrain, and 
> plenty of lodging options, and we have a compelling case to have a country 
> bike event here. I'm game for setting something up, though I'll probably 
> need some locals to step in to help with leading rides, etc. 
>
> Just to put a note of finality in it, I'm gonna say that we'll have an 
> event the last weekend of September (26-28). If you come to the Twin Cities 
> with a country bike at that time, I'll show you a good time.
>
> The itinerary is tentative, but let's plan on a reception Friday night 
> followed by two days of riding the local area. There will be a camping 
> option, which may be my backyard, but we'll see.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I don't care if anybody calls it a national jamboree or whatever, but we have a 
critical mass of Riv types in the Twin Cities or within a day's drive. Add in 
Amtrak and a major airport served by bike-friendly transit, tons of bike shops, 
terrific bike infrastructure, flattish terrain, and plenty of lodging options, 
and we have a compelling case to have a country bike event here. I'm game for 
setting something up, though I'll probably need some locals to step in to help 
with leading rides, etc. 

Just to put a note of finality in it, I'm gonna say that we'll have an event 
the last weekend of September (26-28). If you come to the Twin Cities with a 
country bike at that time, I'll show you a good time.

The itinerary is tentative, but let's plan on a reception Friday night followed 
by two days of riding the local area. There will be a camping option, which may 
be my backyard, but we'll see.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Abcyclehank]

??
Is this idea dead or in the works still.  Trying to plan my summer vacation and 
excited about traveling with bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Philip Williamson]

I live in the Bay Area. I will attend a Bay Area Riv Rally. I can ride my 
bike to China Camp.

That said: 

A 20th Anniversary Rivendell Bicycles Freaky Jamboree doesn't belong 
anywhere but Mt. Diablo. 
Not a single Rivendell employee has made any comment on the proposed 
National Jamboree. 
Not a single Rivendell employee has made any comment on a Twentieth 
Anniversary Shindig. 


I think the Riv folk have something up their sleeveses.

"Television Psychic,"
Philip

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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:36:10 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> I know. How about a loop up through Mendocino County through Anderson 
> Valley, Philo and then down the coast back to the city.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM, dougP >wrote:
>
>> Sign me up, now!  This has the makings of an event to base a tour around 
>> (hint-hint) for those who may be off for the summer or looking for a 
>> bike-worthy vacation.  Start thinkin' & dreamin'.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:56:50 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> What Ryan said, lets nail the weekend and location once and for all! It 
>>> might be too much to ask the RBW folk to host as it seems they have their 
>>> hands full with the BB&H store front. We do need locals to take the lead , 
>>> perhaps create another Group dedicated to the organization & planning of 
>>> the event.
>>>
>>> I don't feel like re-reading through six pages on this thread but I 
>>> recall some of the BA locals mentioning that there are eating 
>>> establishments close to the camp...just Google mapped C.C. man it's right 
>>> on San Pablo Bay and food within I believe a flat 8 miles, and Mount Tam is 
>>> right there.
>>> C'mon let's do this. Summer 2014 China Camp! 
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
>>>
  I had proposed multiple rallies but was clearly shot down.  Yet there 
 can be only one "National Jamboree" so the logical spot in my opinion is 
 Rivendell world headquarters and the surrounding area.  It appeared to be 
 leading in the poll system as well although again in my opinion it was 
 setup in a flawed manner.  Regardless someone with local ties (host) 
 should 
 select the official weekend, inquire if Grant and company wish to play any 
 additional role, and create a committee to pull off this wonderful 
 undertaking.  As a Michigander who has been dreaming of a visit this will 
 likely be the occasion that motivates me to act.  Enough debate.time 
 for one or more to take action.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Hugh Smitham]

I know. How about a loop up through Mendocino County through Anderson
Valley, Philo and then down the coast back to the city.


Best,


~Hugh


On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:12 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Sign me up, now!  This has the makings of an event to base a tour around
> (hint-hint) for those who may be off for the summer or looking for a
> bike-worthy vacation.  Start thinkin' & dreamin'.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:56:50 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> What Ryan said, lets nail the weekend and location once and for all! It
>> might be too much to ask the RBW folk to host as it seems they have their
>> hands full with the BB&H store front. We do need locals to take the lead ,
>> perhaps create another Group dedicated to the organization & planning of
>> the event.
>>
>> I don't feel like re-reading through six pages on this thread but I
>> recall some of the BA locals mentioning that there are eating
>> establishments close to the camp...just Google mapped C.C. man it's right
>> on San Pablo Bay and food within I believe a flat 8 miles, and Mount Tam is
>> right there.
>> C'mon let's do this. Summer 2014 China Camp!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
>>
>>> I had proposed multiple rallies but was clearly shot down.  Yet there
>>> can be only one "National Jamboree" so the logical spot in my opinion is
>>> Rivendell world headquarters and the surrounding area.  It appeared to be
>>> leading in the poll system as well although again in my opinion it was
>>> setup in a flawed manner.  Regardless someone with local ties (host) should
>>> select the official weekend, inquire if Grant and company wish to play any
>>> additional role, and create a committee to pull off this wonderful
>>> undertaking.  As a Michigander who has been dreaming of a visit this will
>>> likely be the occasion that motivates me to act.  Enough debate.time
>>> for one or more to take action.
>>> Ryan "Midwest based" Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[dougP]

Sign me up, now!  This has the makings of an event to base a tour around 
(hint-hint) for those who may be off for the summer or looking for a 
bike-worthy vacation.  Start thinkin' & dreamin'.  

dougP

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:56:50 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> What Ryan said, lets nail the weekend and location once and for all! It 
> might be too much to ask the RBW folk to host as it seems they have their 
> hands full with the BB&H store front. We do need locals to take the lead , 
> perhaps create another Group dedicated to the organization & planning of 
> the event.
>
> I don't feel like re-reading through six pages on this thread but I recall 
> some of the BA locals mentioning that there are eating establishments close 
> to the camp...just Google mapped C.C. man it's right on San Pablo Bay and 
> food within I believe a flat 8 miles, and Mount Tam is right there.
> C'mon let's do this. Summer 2014 China Camp! 
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Abcyclehank 
> > wrote:
>
>> I had proposed multiple rallies but was clearly shot down.  Yet there can 
>> be only one "National Jamboree" so the logical spot in my opinion is 
>> Rivendell world headquarters and the surrounding area.  It appeared to be 
>> leading in the poll system as well although again in my opinion it was 
>> setup in a flawed manner.  Regardless someone with local ties (host) should 
>> select the official weekend, inquire if Grant and company wish to play any 
>> additional role, and create a committee to pull off this wonderful 
>> undertaking.  As a Michigander who has been dreaming of a visit this will 
>> likely be the occasion that motivates me to act.  Enough debate.time 
>> for one or more to take action.
>> Ryan "Midwest based" Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Hugh Smitham]

What Ryan said, lets nail the weekend and location once and for all! It
might be too much to ask the RBW folk to host as it seems they have their
hands full with the BB&H store front. We do need locals to take the lead ,
perhaps create another Group dedicated to the organization & planning of
the event.

I don't feel like re-reading through six pages on this thread but I recall
some of the BA locals mentioning that there are eating establishments close
to the camp...just Google mapped C.C. man it's right on San Pablo Bay and
food within I believe a flat 8 miles, and Mount Tam is right there.
C'mon let's do this. Summer 2014 China Camp!


Best,


~Hugh


On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:

> I had proposed multiple rallies but was clearly shot down.  Yet there can
> be only one "National Jamboree" so the logical spot in my opinion is
> Rivendell world headquarters and the surrounding area.  It appeared to be
> leading in the poll system as well although again in my opinion it was
> setup in a flawed manner.  Regardless someone with local ties (host) should
> select the official weekend, inquire if Grant and company wish to play any
> additional role, and create a committee to pull off this wonderful
> undertaking.  As a Michigander who has been dreaming of a visit this will
> likely be the occasion that motivates me to act.  Enough debate.time
> for one or more to take action.
> Ryan "Midwest based" Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Abcyclehank]

I had proposed multiple rallies but was clearly shot down.  Yet there can be 
only one "National Jamboree" so the logical spot in my opinion is Rivendell 
world headquarters and the surrounding area.  It appeared to be leading in the 
poll system as well although again in my opinion it was setup in a flawed 
manner.  Regardless someone with local ties (host) should select the official 
weekend, inquire if Grant and company wish to play any additional role, and 
create a committee to pull off this wonderful undertaking.  As a Michigander 
who has been dreaming of a visit this will likely be the occasion that 
motivates me to act.  Enough debate.time for one or more to take action.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[dougP]

There were 2 weekends in play.  What was the preference?  

Hey Manny - you're gonna need a whole lot more squid!

dougP

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 5:54:36 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> If we go by the votes, China Camp won. 
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, dougP > 
> wrote: 
> > Going back over this, the voting started some time ago so who has been 
> > keeping tally?  And what is the result?  Dates mentioned have been July 
> > 12-13 & July 19-20-21, and the Bay Area and Twin Cities seeming to have 
> > traction as far as hosts & lodging options, with Jim Thill suggesting a 
> > camping trip in Wisconsin in September.  Is it time to count the votes & 
> > drive a stake? 
> > 
> > dougP 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:12:55 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I say Portland Maine in February, let's get out those studded tires! 
> >> 
> >> On Nov 17, 2013 2:11 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> "Can the Deacon host it?" 
> >>> I wish I could. 
> >>> 
> >>> With abandon, 
> >>> Patrick 
> >>> 
> >>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:00:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>  
>  Phoenix in late July. 
>  
>  I'd be very tempted if the jamboree were to be in Colorado. Can the 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Anne Paulson]

If we go by the votes, China Camp won.

On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, dougP  wrote:
> Going back over this, the voting started some time ago so who has been
> keeping tally?  And what is the result?  Dates mentioned have been July
> 12-13 & July 19-20-21, and the Bay Area and Twin Cities seeming to have
> traction as far as hosts & lodging options, with Jim Thill suggesting a
> camping trip in Wisconsin in September.  Is it time to count the votes &
> drive a stake?
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:12:55 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> I say Portland Maine in February, let's get out those studded tires!
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2013 2:11 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote:
>>>
>>> "Can the Deacon host it?"
>>> I wish I could.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:00:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Phoenix in late July.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[dougP]

Going back over this, the voting started some time ago so who has been 
keeping tally?  And what is the result?  Dates mentioned have been July 
12-13 & July 19-20-21, and the Bay Area and Twin Cities seeming to have 
traction as far as hosts & lodging options, with Jim Thill suggesting a 
camping trip in Wisconsin in September.  Is it time to count the votes & 
drive a stake?  

dougP

On Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:12:55 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
>
> I say Portland Maine in February, let's get out those studded tires! 
> On Nov 17, 2013 2:11 PM, "Deacon Patrick" > 
> wrote:
>
>> "Can the Deacon host it?"
>> I wish I could.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:00:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Phoenix in late July.
>>>
>>> I'd be very tempted if the jamboree were to be in Colorado. Can the 
>>> Deacon host it?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Peter Morgano]

I say Portland Maine in February, let's get out those studded tires!
On Nov 17, 2013 2:11 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote:

> "Can the Deacon host it?"
> I wish I could.
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> With abandon,
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>> Phoenix in late July.
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>> I'd be very tempted if the jamboree were to be in Colorado. Can the
>> Deacon host it?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Deacon Patrick]

"Can the Deacon host it?"
I wish I could.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

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Phoenix in late July.

I'd be very tempted if the jamboree were to be in Colorado. Can the Deacon
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Michael Hechmer]

Lets find a time and place even hotter than Walnut Creek in the middle of 
July.  Show some fortitude guys and gals.

Michael

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>
> I still like the MSP suggestion.  Having it in the Bay Area makes sense 
> because it's home base, but having it on either coast will make it 
> impractical for people on the other.  It's more likely to gain national 
> participation if it is more centrally located.
>
> Marc
>
> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:10:52 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> China Camp's a nice spot. And it's easy to get to from San Francisco: 
>> just take the Larkspur ferry, and then ride over. 
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Hugh Smitham  
>> wrote: 
>> > Interesting when I attempted to reply through the list-serve it 
>> wouldn't 
>> > load as though some force is hindering this endeavor?? I decided to 
>> reply 
>> > though email. It all sort of fizzled...I've thought of resurrecting the 
>> > notion and decided that perhaps the holiday's rapidly approaching has 
>> > quelled the enthusiasm only to see it brought to the front in the new 
>> year, 
>> > Thanks Jim for the bump..anything worth doing takes time so what's up 
>> Riv 
>> > folk! I think the BA is the natural location as much as I'd love to 
>> visit 
>> > the MSP area the Manny idea for China Camp sounded perfect with plenty 
>> of 
>> > rides out of there for all levels. Any who I need time to plan for 
>> vacations 
>> > so... 
>> > 
>> > ~Hugh 
>> > 
>> > Best, 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > ~Hugh 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Jim M.  wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Bump. 
>> >> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Marc Irwin]

I still like the MSP suggestion.  Having it in the Bay Area makes sense 
because it's home base, but having it on either coast will make it 
impractical for people on the other.  It's more likely to gain national 
participation if it is more centrally located.

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>
> China Camp's a nice spot. And it's easy to get to from San Francisco: 
> just take the Larkspur ferry, and then ride over. 
>
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > Interesting when I attempted to reply through the list-serve it wouldn't 
> > load as though some force is hindering this endeavor?? I decided to 
> reply 
> > though email. It all sort of fizzled...I've thought of resurrecting the 
> > notion and decided that perhaps the holiday's rapidly approaching has 
> > quelled the enthusiasm only to see it brought to the front in the new 
> year, 
> > Thanks Jim for the bump..anything worth doing takes time so what's up 
> Riv 
> > folk! I think the BA is the natural location as much as I'd love to 
> visit 
> > the MSP area the Manny idea for China Camp sounded perfect with plenty 
> of 
> > rides out of there for all levels. Any who I need time to plan for 
> vacations 
> > so... 
> > 
> > ~Hugh 
> > 
> > Best, 
> > 
> > 
> > ~Hugh 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Anne Paulson]

China Camp's a nice spot. And it's easy to get to from San Francisco:
just take the Larkspur ferry, and then ride over.

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Interesting when I attempted to reply through the list-serve it wouldn't
> load as though some force is hindering this endeavor?? I decided to reply
> though email. It all sort of fizzled...I've thought of resurrecting the
> notion and decided that perhaps the holiday's rapidly approaching has
> quelled the enthusiasm only to see it brought to the front in the new year,
> Thanks Jim for the bump..anything worth doing takes time so what's up Riv
> folk! I think the BA is the natural location as much as I'd love to visit
> the MSP area the Manny idea for China Camp sounded perfect with plenty of
> rides out of there for all levels. Any who I need time to plan for vacations
> so...
>
> ~Hugh
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
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>> Bump.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Hugh Smitham]

Interesting when I attempted to reply through the list-serve it wouldn't
load as though some force is hindering this endeavor?? I decided to reply
though email. It all sort of fizzled...I've thought of resurrecting the
notion and decided that perhaps the holiday's rapidly approaching has
quelled the enthusiasm only to see it brought to the front in the new year,
Thanks Jim for the bump..anything worth doing takes time so what's up Riv
folk! I think the BA is the natural location as much as I'd love to visit
the MSP area the Manny idea for China Camp sounded perfect with plenty of
rides out of there for all levels. Any who I need time to plan for
vacations so...

~Hugh

Best,


~Hugh


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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Philip Williamson]

I tuned out when it wasn't going to happen on Mt Diablo, the only place 
that makes a lick of sense for a Rivendell National Jamboree. I would hope 
that Rivendell makes it happen - a series of three adjacent S24Os? That 
would let staff and attendees come and go, and allow for more fluid 
campsite reservations. 

Not even remotely volunteering.  

Philip
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> Bump. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim M.]

Bump. 

I hope the momentum didn't die. 

"not with a bang but a whimper"

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

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I'd do mn or wi for sure.

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Philip Williamson]

Places in between? Are you suggesting a three-night festival? Mt Diablo, Mt 
Tam, Angel Island? Ferries, bridges, cities, mountains and islands?
I guess you weren't. But you could. 

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>
> Lost. Who else has a bid for this Jam? 
> If Bay Area wins. I don't mind trying to provide options for lodgings. 
> China Camp is close enough and far away enough to find places in between. 
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:24:07 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Hub and spoke certainly seems like the preferred design for a larger 
>> gathering of this type. 
>>
>> Denver area would be great, but I'm not there so wouldn't be much help 
>> for organizing. 
>>
>> I will be among the camping contingent.
>>
>> I hope this happens.
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>> --Smitty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Robert F. Harrison]

Bay Area - July 19-20, 2014. Works for me if I can swing it.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:46 AM, William  wrote:

> It's preposterously easy for me to vote Bay Area, since I'm local.  I have
> done a lot of business trips in Chanhassen and I will corroborate that the
> MSP area is lovely in the Fall, so I vote for BOTH!
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:18:15 AM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:
>>
>> I would like to see the twin cities, but I too find the 20 year
>> anniversary connection persuasive. Another vote for the SF bay area.
>>
>> Michael Allen
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like
>>> a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole
>>> summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to
>>> get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing
>>> group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet
>>> everyone and ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of
>>> thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd
>>> only see once a year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Edwin W]

I made a doodle poll here:
http://doodle.com/skm8u4ges4gtxqt5

While I created this poll, it does not mean anything beyond that...!

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

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It's preposterously easy for me to vote Bay Area, since I'm local.  I have 
done a lot of business trips in Chanhassen and I will corroborate that the 
MSP area is lovely in the Fall, so I vote for BOTH!

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> I would like to see the twin cities, but I too find the 20 year 
> anniversary connection persuasive. Another vote for the SF bay area.
>
> Michael Allen
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> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like 
>> a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole 
>> summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to 
>> get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing 
>> group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet 
>> everyone and ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of 
>> thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd 
>> only see once a year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Pondero]

 Wow...with the Riv anniversary, the volunteers to arrive early, and the 
day before ride organizing, this could be a full blown festival!

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[AD]

My vote would be for the Bay Area. I would be up to organizing a casual 
QB/S1/SS ride on a weekday before the Jamboree.  

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[allenmichael]

I would like to see the twin cities, but I too find the 20 year anniversary 
connection persuasive. Another vote for the SF bay area.

Michael Allen

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
>

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Rusty Click]

I cast my vote for the Bay Area.  I like the Riv anniversary connection, 
and I can make it an opportunity to visit my sister out east of Walnut 
Creek.  Not to mention, some nice wineries and brew pubs!

I hope this comes together, and would be willing to come out early to help, 
if needed.


On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:40:24 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
>

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Deacon Patrick]

I'll recuse myself from the vote as I'm not likely to be able to attend, 
but wherever it is it out to be a blast and I'll definitely wish I was able 
to be there.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Curtis McKenzie]

Is the voting window open?  If so mark me down for SF. Would be willing to
help or sponsor an event such as a slow bicycle race.  PDX would be second
for me.

On Monday, August 19, 2013, Jim M. wrote:

> Bumping this topic. My vote is for Bay Area, because this would be the
> first national jamboree, and it's Riv's 20th anniversary. I volunteer to
> help, too. Is anyone counting votes.
>
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim M.]

Bumping this topic. My vote is for Bay Area, because this would be the 
first national jamboree, and it's Riv's 20th anniversary. I volunteer to 
help, too. Is anyone counting votes. 

jim m
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Pondero]

I'm hoping this materializes, and am going to make an effort to 
participate.  For me MSP makes it a probable, and SF is a maybe.

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[PeterG]

My vote is for MSP ...Minneapolis was voted the second most bike friendly 
city in America for a reasonand in the fall the colors would be 
awesome.

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Montclair BobbyB]

What's not to love about the Bay Area, and it would naturally be a great 
(and logical) place for a national gathering.  But I've never visited the 
Twin Cities, Marc Irwin makes a great point about Amtrak travel, and the 
bike vibe there (despite harsh winters) is unflappable.  I vote for MSP.

BB

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:42:09 PM UTC-4, allenmichael wrote:
>
> I would likely vote for a.MSP destination. Some of my forebears left 
> Minnesota to come to California. I've always been curious to get out there 
> and look around.
>
> Michael Allen
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Tony McG]

I vote for Twin Cities in late September...

On Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:52:54 PM UTC-5, Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> If the Twin Cities prove to be the consensus choice for the Rally, I can 
> set it up. Late Sept or Early Oct, with camping and hotel options, urban 
> and "country" rides.
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> The Twin Cities harbor a number of subversive elements...approach with 
>> caution.
>>
>> BUT there is a Rivendell dealer there so you could save half the 
>> transport hassle by just buying a new bike from him :-).  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
>>> That MSP cell has a location advantage.  They are at least close to the 
>>> center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, 
>>> people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service 
>>> which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along.   
>>> That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea 
 although our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...

 Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Marc Irwin]

I'm in for certain at the Twin Cities, I will even come up a day or two 
early to help if needed.  West Coast?  Maybe, possibly, depending on when 
and where.

Marc

On Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:52:54 PM UTC-4, Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> If the Twin Cities prove to be the consensus choice for the Rally, I can 
> set it up. Late Sept or Early Oct, with camping and hotel options, urban 
> and "country" rides.
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> The Twin Cities harbor a number of subversive elements...approach with 
>> caution.
>>
>> BUT there is a Rivendell dealer there so you could save half the 
>> transport hassle by just buying a new bike from him :-).  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
>>> That MSP cell has a location advantage.  They are at least close to the 
>>> center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, 
>>> people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service 
>>> which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along.   
>>> That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea 
 although our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...

 Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Bruce Herbitter]

I could see coming to the Twin Cities..


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hiawatha Cyclery  wrote:

> If the Twin Cities prove to be the consensus choice for the Rally, I can
> set it up. Late Sept or Early Oct, with camping and hotel options, urban
> and "country" rides.
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> The Twin Cities harbor a number of subversive elements...approach with
>> caution.
>>
>> BUT there is a Rivendell dealer there so you could save half the
>> transport hassle by just buying a new bike from him :-).
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
>>> That MSP cell has a location advantage.  They are at least close to the
>>> center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak,
>>> people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service
>>> which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along.
>>> That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea
 although our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...

 Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-**working-too-hard-since-I-**
 haven't-posted-recently?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[dougP]

If Manny & Co host in the Bay Area in July, and Jim Thill hosts in the Twin 
Cities in Sept or Oct, I'm in for both events.  So I guess I cancel my own 
vote?  

dougP

On Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:52:54 PM UTC-7, Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> If the Twin Cities prove to be the consensus choice for the Rally, I can 
> set it up. Late Sept or Early Oct, with camping and hotel options, urban 
> and "country" rides.
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> The Twin Cities harbor a number of subversive elements...approach with 
>> caution.
>>
>> BUT there is a Rivendell dealer there so you could save half the 
>> transport hassle by just buying a new bike from him :-).  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
>>> That MSP cell has a location advantage.  They are at least close to the 
>>> center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, 
>>> people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service 
>>> which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along.   
>>> That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea 
 although our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...

 Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Hiawatha Cyclery]

If the Twin Cities prove to be the consensus choice for the Rally, I can 
set it up. Late Sept or Early Oct, with camping and hotel options, urban 
and "country" rides.

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> The Twin Cities harbor a number of subversive elements...approach with 
> caution.
>
> BUT there is a Rivendell dealer there so you could save half the transport 
> hassle by just buying a new bike from him :-).  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>> That MSP cell has a location advantage.  They are at least close to the 
>> center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, 
>> people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service 
>> which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along.   
>> That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea 
>>> although our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...
>>>
>>> Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Hugh Smitham]

And another for CC.

-Hugh
On Aug 14, 2013 9:40 PM, "Jay Lonner"  wrote:

> Another vote for China Camp.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA (tickled that it came up as a possible destination, not at
> all surprised that it didn't make the final cut)
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:42:09 PM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:
>>
>> I would likely vote for a.MSP destination. Some of my forebears left
>> Minnesota to come to California. I've always been curious to get out there
>> and look around.
>>
>> Michael Allen
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jay Lonner]

Another vote for China Camp.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA (tickled that it came up as a possible destination, not at 
all surprised that it didn't make the final cut)

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:42:09 PM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:
>
> I would likely vote for a.MSP destination. Some of my forebears left 
> Minnesota to come to California. I've always been curious to get out there 
> and look around.
>
> Michael Allen
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[allenmichael]

I would likely vote for a.MSP destination. Some of my forebears left Minnesota 
to come to California. I've always been curious to get out there and look 
around.

Michael Allen

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[cyclotourist]

That place and date works well with me, at least on my currently empty
calendar for 2014.



> So far Manny's bid of China Camp (just north of SF), July 19-20, is
> the only specific proposal. So, faute de mieux, I guess we have to
> pick it?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[dougP]

The Twin Cities harbor a number of subversive elements...approach with 
caution.

BUT there is a Rivendell dealer there so you could save half the transport 
hassle by just buying a new bike from him :-).  

dougP

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> That MSP cell has a location advantage.  They are at least close to the 
> center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, 
> people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service 
> which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along.   
> That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling.
>
> Marc
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea although 
>> our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...
>>
>> Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Marc Irwin]

That MSP cell has a location advantage.  They are at least close to the 
center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, 
people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service 
which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along.   
That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling.

Marc

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea although 
> our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...
>
> Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Deacon Patrick]

Are you wanting active NSA surveillance on this list, Liesl?

With abandon (obviously),
Patrick

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:25:45 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:
>
> There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea although 
> our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...
>
> Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Liesl]

There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea although 
our "meetings" have been adhoc at best...

Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Mike Williams]

Hey Anne and group,I guess I was confusing in my post.  I was just putting 
in a good word for the midwest.   I live in San Fran and would have no way of 
hosting in the midwest.   -Mike

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On Aug 13, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Anne Paulson  wrote:

> So we now, if I have gone through the messages correctly, have three bids:
> 
> Jim Thill volunteers to host a gathering in late September in northern
> Wisconsin.
> 
> Michael Williams volunteers to host a gathering in Minneapolis, no
> time specified
> 
> Manny Acosta volunteers to host in at China Camp, which is just north
> of San Francisco July 13-14. (I volunteer to help with organizing if
> this is the winner. Someone else, whose name I forget, also volunteer
> to help with organizing.)
> 
> Let's discuss these three bids and pick one.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:17 AM, allenmichael  wrote:
>> I'm offering to assist with Manny's bay area bid.
>> 
>> Michael Allen
>> 
>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a
>>> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer
>>> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their
>>> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's
>>> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and
>>> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my
>>> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a
>>> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Anne Paulson]

Gifford Pinchot in 2015, I guess, but let's pick a location and time
for next year.

So far Manny's bid of China Camp (just north of SF), July 19-20, is
the only specific proposal. So, faute de mieux, I guess we have to
pick it?

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> I think as Manny say's just pick a date and place, everything else will fall
> into place. Jim that is cool 20 years. Liesl we should start with voting of
> the three locations. I'm still wishing for that fourth location. Mr Gifford
> Pinchot has a nice place.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:48 AM, James Warren 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This is a little bit cool: If the Jamboree gets off the ground in 2014, it
>> will coincide with the year of Rivendell's 20th Anniversery.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:34 AM, allenmichael wrote:
>>
>> 19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day?
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like
>>> a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole
>>> summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get
>>> their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group
>>> that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet
>>> everyone and ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of
>>> thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd
>>> only see once a year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Hugh Smitham]

I think as Manny say's just pick a date and place, everything else will
fall into place. Jim that is cool 20 years. Liesl we should start with
voting of the three locations. I'm still wishing for that fourth location.
Mr Gifford Pinchot has a nice place.

~Hugh




On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:48 AM, James Warren wrote:

>
> This is a little bit cool: If the Jamboree gets off the ground in 2014, it
> will coincide with the year of Rivendell's 20th Anniversery.
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:34 AM, allenmichael wrote:
>
> 19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day?
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like
>> a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole
>> summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to
>> get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing
>> group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet
>> everyone and ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of
>> thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd
>> only see once a year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[James Warren]

This is a little bit cool: If the Jamboree gets off the ground in 2014, it will 
coincide with the year of Rivendell's 20th Anniversery.


On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:34 AM, allenmichael wrote:

> 19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day? 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[allenmichael]

19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day? 

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Manuel Acosta]

19-20 sounds good to me. I don't mind changing it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Robert F. Harrison]

Unless I'm mistaken, July 13-14 is a Sunday/Monday date. I think 12/13 is
the weekend. :-) Any chance this could be modified to be July 19/20? I have
to be in Boise Idaho on 12/13 and would seriously consider taking the week
and flying back through the Bay area and taking the extra time for a
Jamboree.



Aloha, Bob


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> So we now, if I have gone through the messages correctly, have three bids:
>
> Jim Thill volunteers to host a gathering in late September in northern
> Wisconsin.
>
> Michael Williams volunteers to host a gathering in Minneapolis, no
> time specified
>
> Manny Acosta volunteers to host in at China Camp, which is just north
> of San Francisco July 13-14. (I volunteer to help with organizing if
> this is the winner. Someone else, whose name I forget, also volunteer
> to help with organizing.)
>
> Let's discuss these three bids and pick one.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:17 AM, allenmichael 
> wrote:
> > I'm offering to assist with Manny's bay area bid.
> >
> > Michael Allen
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
> >>
> >> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time
> (like a
> >> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole
> summer
> >> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get
> their
> >> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group
> that's
> >> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone
> and
> >> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back
> in my
> >> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see
> once a
> >> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Anne Paulson]

So we now, if I have gone through the messages correctly, have three bids:

Jim Thill volunteers to host a gathering in late September in northern
Wisconsin.

Michael Williams volunteers to host a gathering in Minneapolis, no
time specified

Manny Acosta volunteers to host in at China Camp, which is just north
of San Francisco July 13-14. (I volunteer to help with organizing if
this is the winner. Someone else, whose name I forget, also volunteer
to help with organizing.)

Let's discuss these three bids and pick one.



On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:17 AM, allenmichael  wrote:
> I'm offering to assist with Manny's bay area bid.
>
> Michael Allen
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a
>> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer
>> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their
>> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's
>> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and
>> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my
>> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a
>> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[allenmichael]

I'm offering to assist with Manny's bay area bid.

Michael Allen

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
>

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Manuel Acosta]

Bump because this would be great if it happened

On Monday, August 5, 2013 12:48:02 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I'd be glad to help, but I am in lower Michigan down by Chicago, I would 
> be better able to help with that area.  Jim Thill is in MSP and definitely 
> knows the countryside.
>
> Marc
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2013 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I am curious as to who has a bid in for this Jam as well.  As far as 
>> can tell, Jim Thill has the only close-to-formal-bid.  Fall in Northern 
>> Wisconsin/Michigan Upper Penninsula/Northern Lower Penninsula with 
>> camping.  While I can vouch for the beauty of these areas, I can also vouch 
>> that they are another day's drive from a major airport (MSP, Milwaukee, or 
>> Detroit)
>>
>> I'd like to assist with a Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) bid during the 
>> summer but because this is the busiest time for me at work, I can't take 
>> the lead.  How many could do the week after Labor Day?  I would suggest a 
>> home base that's an hour or less from the airport along the st. croix river 
>> or mississippi river, etc.  (for MSP locals:  Stillwater, Redwing, Scandia, 
>> Marina on St. Croix, etc.)  There could be hotels, B&B's, close camping, 
>> etc.  A good retreat center could be a good idea.  Anyone want to work on 
>> this with me?
>>
>> liesl
>>
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Marc Irwin]

I'd be glad to help, but I am in lower Michigan down by Chicago, I would be 
better able to help with that area.  Jim Thill is in MSP and definitely 
knows the countryside.

Marc

On Monday, August 5, 2013 12:22:48 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> Yes, I am curious as to who has a bid in for this Jam as well.  As far as 
> can tell, Jim Thill has the only close-to-formal-bid.  Fall in Northern 
> Wisconsin/Michigan Upper Penninsula/Northern Lower Penninsula with 
> camping.  While I can vouch for the beauty of these areas, I can also vouch 
> that they are another day's drive from a major airport (MSP, Milwaukee, or 
> Detroit)
>
> I'd like to assist with a Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) bid during the summer 
> but because this is the busiest time for me at work, I can't take the 
> lead.  How many could do the week after Labor Day?  I would suggest a home 
> base that's an hour or less from the airport along the st. croix river or 
> mississippi river, etc.  (for MSP locals:  Stillwater, Redwing, Scandia, 
> Marina on St. Croix, etc.)  There could be hotels, B&B's, close camping, 
> etc.  A good retreat center could be a good idea.  Anyone want to work on 
> this with me?
>
> liesl
>

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Liesl]

Yes, I am curious as to who has a bid in for this Jam as well.  As far as 
can tell, Jim Thill has the only close-to-formal-bid.  Fall in Northern 
Wisconsin/Michigan Upper Penninsula/Northern Lower Penninsula with 
camping.  While I can vouch for the beauty of these areas, I can also vouch 
that they are another day's drive from a major airport (MSP, Milwaukee, or 
Detroit)

I'd like to assist with a Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) bid during the summer 
but because this is the busiest time for me at work, I can't take the 
lead.  How many could do the week after Labor Day?  I would suggest a home 
base that's an hour or less from the airport along the st. croix river or 
mississippi river, etc.  (for MSP locals:  Stillwater, Redwing, Scandia, 
Marina on St. Croix, etc.)  There could be hotels, B&B's, close camping, 
etc.  A good retreat center could be a good idea.  Anyone want to work on 
this with me?

liesl

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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Manuel Acosta]

Lost. Who else has a bid for this Jam? 
If Bay Area wins. I don't mind trying to provide options for lodgings. 
China Camp is close enough and far away enough to find places in between. 

On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:24:07 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
> Hub and spoke certainly seems like the preferred design for a larger 
> gathering of this type. 
>
> Denver area would be great, but I'm not there so wouldn't be much help for 
> organizing. 
>
> I will be among the camping contingent.
>
> I hope this happens.
>
> --Smitty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Marc Irwin]

On the other hand, the upper part of the lower peninsula has some of the 
most beautiful forests and shoreline you can find anywhere, and there's no 
shortage of yuppie cafe's, gift shops, winerys and micro brews.

Marc

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 7:42:15 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Speaking of the UP, I back packed Pictured Rocks Lakeshore a few years 
> back and saw bears. In fact, all campsites have bear poles to hang your 
> food up high on. No wolves though.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thil...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I volunteer to host, northern Wisconsin or perhaps my ancestral homeland 
>> of Upper Michigan. Dates are flexible, but I prefer late Sept for splendid 
>> Fall color. Lots of northwoods adventure. A real possibility of 
>> encountering wolves (they probably won't eat you). Probably more 
>> camping-centric than B&B centric, and not much for yuppie cafes and quaint 
>> gift shops, but nothing is perfect for everybody. Of course, if it's just 
>> two or three days, we could rent cabins and do day trips.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Bruce Herbitter]

Speaking of the UP, I back packed Pictured Rocks Lakeshore a few years back
and saw bears. In fact, all campsites have bear poles to hang your food up
high on. No wolves though.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
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> I volunteer to host, northern Wisconsin or perhaps my ancestral homeland
> of Upper Michigan. Dates are flexible, but I prefer late Sept for splendid
> Fall color. Lots of northwoods adventure. A real possibility of
> encountering wolves (they probably won't eat you). Probably more
> camping-centric than B&B centric, and not much for yuppie cafes and quaint
> gift shops, but nothing is perfect for everybody. Of course, if it's just
> two or three days, we could rent cabins and do day trips.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Pondero]

Jim, good suggestions, and it might be the Texas heat talking but the fall 
timing is especially appealing.  I saw positive feedback on your country bike 
events and have regretted missing out ever since.

Having a volunteer host is a significant development.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I volunteer to host, northern Wisconsin or perhaps my ancestral homeland of 
Upper Michigan. Dates are flexible, but I prefer late Sept for splendid Fall 
color. Lots of northwoods adventure. A real possibility of encountering wolves 
(they probably won't eat you). Probably more camping-centric than B&B centric, 
and not much for yuppie cafes and quaint gift shops, but nothing is perfect for 
everybody. Of course, if it's just two or three days, we could rent cabins and 
do day trips.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[hsmitham]

> Majority of the conversation seems to 
be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. 

Ahhh I'd have suggested Los Angeles but I just figured Hollywood and Vine 
would be to gritty... then again maybe some would like a Riv urban 
jamboree,  we could do the home of the stars tour.

Did I just do a Steve P. thing there? 

Seriously, most of the suggestions are on my top 5 list of places to ride a 
bike, I tend to favor the PNW, and PDX seems like a reasonable place as 
any, hint, hint, PDXers get ready to make a strong bid... but any of the a 
fore mentioned  locations work for this Riv-rider, Bellingham works and 
Franklyn's description of the the San Juan islands sounds ideal, San 
Francisco no problem you want places to ride this is where bikes like ours 
were born and breed. And the idea of Colorado well after seeing Deacon's 
photographs...this is fun!

~Hugh 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[NWAJack]

Vote for CO also.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Patrick Moore]

I don't know what all is involved in one of these gatherings, or what prep
I could do from ABQ, some 450 miles south of Denver, but if such an event
be planned for Denver, I am willing to help with whatever it is that is
doable from a distance if the event should be scheduled for our rough N-S
axis. Mother, clients, and daughter permitting, I would come.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jim  wrote:

> I'm the wrong guy to lead the charge here (trust me on that) but I
> would certainly lend my mass to the pursuit of criticality (read that:
> will help organize and plan) and would love to meet y'all.
>
> Jim in Boulder
>
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:13:17 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as
>> others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to
>> do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to
>> be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard.
>>
>> On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>> > Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and
>> also
>> > has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area.  Denver has by far
>> the
>> > most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a
>> base
>> > camp?
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> > On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise
>> >> querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a
>> variety
>> >>
>> >> of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I
>> thought
>> >>
>> >> I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago
>> >> O'Hare
>> >> would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the
>> points of
>> >>
>> >> origin I checked.
>> >>
>> >> Lee
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson
>> >> 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we
>> >>> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home
>> >>> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the
>> >>> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin
>> >>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national
>> get
>> >>> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot
>> of
>> >>> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get
>> together
>> >>> >
>> >>> as a
>> >>> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the
>> country
>> >>> >
>> >>> is in
>> >>> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and
>> Denver.
>> >>> >
>> >>>  I'm
>> >>> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot
>> >>> going for
>> >>> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Marc
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the
>> exact
>> >>> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but
>> >>> somewhere
>> >>> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be
>> nice
>> >>> >>
>> >>> to
>> >>> >> consider.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Colorado?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >> would over-weigh a national distribution.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt
>> >>> >> <54c...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would
>> >>> >>> have
>> >>> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those
>> who
>> >>> want to
>> >>> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of
>> >>> Portland,
>> >>> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be
>> happy
>> >>> to call
>> >>> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something
>> like
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> this.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> --Smitty
>> >>> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim]

I'm the wrong guy to lead the charge here (trust me on that) but I 
would certainly lend my mass to the pursuit of criticality (read that:  
will help organize and plan) and would love to meet y'all.
 
Jim in Boulder
 

On Friday, August 2, 2013 8:13:17 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as 
> others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to 
> do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to 
> be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. 
>
> On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin > wrote: 
> > Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and 
> also 
> > has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area.  Denver has by far the 
> > most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a 
> base 
> > camp? 
> > 
> > Marc 
> > 
> > On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise 
> >> querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a 
> variety 
> >> 
> >> of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I 
> thought 
> >> 
> >> I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago 
> >> O'Hare 
> >> would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points 
> of 
> >> 
> >> origin I checked. 
> >> 
> >> Lee 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson 
> >>  
> >> > wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we 
> >>> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home 
> >>> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the 
> >>> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. 
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin 
> >>> > 
> >>> wrote: 
> >>> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get 
> >>> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot 
> of 
> >>> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get 
> together 
> >>> > 
> >>> as a 
> >>> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the 
> country 
> >>> > 
> >>> is in 
> >>> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and 
> Denver. 
> >>> > 
> >>>  I'm 
> >>> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot 
> >>> going for 
> >>> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. 
> >>> > 
> >>> > Marc 
> >>> > 
> >>> > 
> >>> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the 
> exact 
> >>> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but 
> >>> somewhere 
> >>> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be 
> nice 
> >>> >> 
> >>> to 
> >>> >> consider. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Colorado? 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then 
> >>> >> that 
> >>> >> would over-weigh a national distribution. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
> >>> >> <54c...@gmail.com> 
> >>> >> wrote: 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would 
> >>> >>> have 
> >>> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who 
> >>> want to 
> >>> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground. 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of 
> >>> Portland, 
> >>> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be 
> happy 
> >>> to call 
> >>> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something 
> like 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> this. 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize 
> >>> >>> the 
> >>> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> --Smitty 
> >>> >>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Deacon Patrick]

Uh, wolves go for the weak, sick, or slow, so generally the very young (the 
real reason I camp with my daughters) or the very old (still not sure how 
to handle that one should I be blessed to arrive there). Ahhh-- by then 
we'll be empty nesters, and my wife robbed the cradle (she's six month's 
older). Problem solved! Grin.

Folks keep naming Colorado as a great place to meet (and it is), but I 
won't be doing any organizing of anything and our Colorado Contingent isn't 
responding much to the S24O call, so host lethargy should perhaps be a 
factor in weighing options.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 2, 2013 11:58:36 AM UTC-6, stevef wrote:
>
> I'll tolerate camping if I need to to be where I want to be but would take 
> a nice hotel room given the option.
>
> Just weighing in!
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Peter Morgano 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I love a nice long ride but there had better be a shower 
>> and comfy bed on the other side. Even as a boy scout I hated camping. I 
>> just don't get the appeal but to each their own. 
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Steve Palincsar 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/01/2013 12:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>>
 You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :)

 First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should 
 probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too.  For 
 example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train lines, 
 industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through 
 mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own.

>>>
>>> Agreed, definitely scenic beauty, but perhaps not "grandeur" in the 
>>> sense of "the sublime".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
 For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, but 
 equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn,

>>>
>>> I clarified that basically for the S24O, camping-obsessed Riv community. 
>>>  Seems like camping is all you hear about on the RBW list, and some of us 
>>> do not camp.
>>>
>>>
>>>  
 And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go 
 after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :)

>>>
>>> "Epic" and "adventure" do not have to mean you're risking your life, as 
>>> Rapha et al. would have you believe.  Again, a clarification aimed at 
>>> others.   You do a very civilized event without the threat of being eaten 
>>> by wolves or camping.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Christopher Chen]

I think the consensus is to find a destination that allows for those who
want a nice bed to have a nice bed and for those who want to camp to camp.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Steven Frederick  wrote:

> I'll tolerate camping if I need to to be where I want to be but would take
> a nice hotel room given the option.
>
> Just weighing in!
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I love a nice long ride but there had better be a shower
>> and comfy bed on the other side. Even as a boy scout I hated camping. I
>> just don't get the appeal but to each their own.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/01/2013 12:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>>
 You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :)

 First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should
 probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too.  For
 example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train lines,
 industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through
 mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own.

>>>
>>> Agreed, definitely scenic beauty, but perhaps not "grandeur" in the
>>> sense of "the sublime".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, but
 equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn,

>>>
>>> I clarified that basically for the S24O, camping-obsessed Riv community.
>>>  Seems like camping is all you hear about on the RBW list, and some of us
>>> do not camp.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go
 after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :)

>>>
>>> "Epic" and "adventure" do not have to mean you're risking your life, as
>>> Rapha et al. would have you believe.  Again, a clarification aimed at
>>> others.   You do a very civilized event without the threat of being eaten
>>> by wolves or camping.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Steven Frederick]

I'll tolerate camping if I need to to be where I want to be but would take
a nice hotel room given the option.

Just weighing in!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Agreed, I love a nice long ride but there had better be a shower and comfy
> bed on the other side. Even as a boy scout I hated camping. I just don't
> get the appeal but to each their own.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>> On 08/01/2013 12:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>>> You know, I should have anticipated a response from you, Steve :)
>>>
>>> First, I did include rideability in my location criteria... I should
>>> probably have also included cultural/historical significance, too.  For
>>> example, the Great Allegheny Passage has the romance of old train lines,
>>> industrial revolution history and massive tunnels built through
>>> mountains... I'd call that scenic beauty, but to each his own.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed, definitely scenic beauty, but perhaps not "grandeur" in the sense
>> of "the sublime".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> For the record I did list lodging before camping... I love to camp, but
>>> equally enjoy a comfy bed in a charming inn,
>>>
>>
>> I clarified that basically for the S24O, camping-obsessed Riv community.
>>  Seems like camping is all you hear about on the RBW list, and some of us
>> do not camp.
>>
>>
>>
>>> And as for this nonsense of being eaten by wolves, they will always go
>>> after younger meat... you've got nothing to worry about :)
>>>
>>
>> "Epic" and "adventure" do not have to mean you're risking your life, as
>> Rapha et al. would have you believe.  Again, a clarification aimed at
>> others.   You do a very civilized event without the threat of being eaten
>> by wolves or camping.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Michael Williams]

I live on the west coast and Im gonna shake it up and put a bid in for the
Midwest,  specifically the Minneapolis area,  possibly Northwoods?I bet
it would be pretty good up there in the summer except for the skeeters.
 one bid for the Midwest!   -Mike

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise
> querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety
> of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought
> I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare
> would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of
> origin I checked.
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
>> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we
>> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home
>> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the
>> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get
>> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of
>> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get together
>> as a
>> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country
>> is in
>> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver.
>>  I'm
>> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot
>> going for
>> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact
>> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but
>> somewhere
>> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice
>> to
>> >> consider.
>> >>
>> >> Colorado?
>> >>
>> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that
>> >> would over-weigh a national distribution.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54c...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would have
>> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who
>> want to
>> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of
>> Portland,
>> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy
>> to call
>> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like
>> this.
>> >>>
>> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the
>> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
>> >>>
>> >>> --Smitty
>> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Anne Paulson]

If we want to talk about money, campground fees will be dwarfed by
airfare plus bike shipping, for those who have to fly. If I'm flying
to Kansas, no cheap campground fees will make up for the expensive
airfare to get myself and my bike to Kansas.

If money is the issue, we should have the Rally on the west coast of
the US, because the majority of Riv riders are on the west coast of
the US judging by posts on this list.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
> Another issue nobody wants to bring up is money.  Being a financial advisor,
> I know nobody likes to talk about it so I will once.  Making the possible
> accommodation and travel expenses as cheap as possible for a bottom line
> will include more people without having to discuss it.  In other words,
> spend more if you want but...   It's kinda like weight, you just don't
> discuss it in public.   That being said, most state and national campgrounds
> provide group sites for around #2-5 per person per night with few
> restrictions on the number of people in the site.
>
> Marc
>
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:13:17 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as
>> others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to
>> do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to
>> be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard.
>>
>> On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>> > Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and
>> > also
>> > has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area.  Denver has by far the
>> > most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a
>> > base
>> > camp?
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> > On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise
>> >> querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a
>> >> variety
>> >>
>> >> of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I
>> >> thought
>> >>
>> >> I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago
>> >> O'Hare
>> >> would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points
>> >> of
>> >>
>> >> origin I checked.
>> >>
>> >> Lee
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson
>> >> 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we
>> >>> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home
>> >>> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the
>> >>> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin
>> >>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get
>> >>> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get
>> >>> > together
>> >>> >
>> >>> as a
>> >>> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the
>> >>> > country
>> >>> >
>> >>> is in
>> >>> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and
>> >>> > Denver.
>> >>> >
>> >>>  I'm
>> >>> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot
>> >>> going for
>> >>> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Marc
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the
>> >>> >> exact
>> >>> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but
>> >>> somewhere
>> >>> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be
>> >>> >> nice
>> >>> >>
>> >>> to
>> >>> >> consider.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Colorado?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >> would over-weigh a national distribution.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt
>> >>> >> <54c...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would
>> >>> >>> have
>> >>> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who
>> >>> want to
>> >>> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of
>> >>> Portland,
>> >>> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be
>> >>> >>> happy
>> >>> to call
>> >>> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something
>> >>> >>> like
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> this.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> --Smitty
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Hub and spoke certainly seems like the preferred design for a larger 
gathering of this type. 

Denver area would be great, but I'm not there so wouldn't be much help for 
organizing. 

I will be among the camping contingent.

I hope this happens.

--Smitty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Montclair BobbyB]

I think it all depends on the location.  Riv Rally East 2011 was a hub and 
spoke setup because Wellsboro PA had great rides leading out of town.  RRE 
2012 (on the Great Allegheny Passage) was point to point because it seemed 
more appropriate.  Both can be awesome, although for a large group like 
this I definitely would recommend a hub and spoke (with options for 
different types of rides)... Hopefully we can find the right location that 
gives us such options.

BB

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:24:00 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:
>
> It sounds like some folks conceive of this outing as a point-to-point 
> tour, while others think of it as setting up a base camp from which to do 
> rides. That may be something else the group needs to decide. I'm good with 
> either, though the logistics of lodging would be easier for the base camp 
> option.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Marc Irwin]

Another issue nobody wants to bring up is money.  Being a financial 
advisor, I know nobody likes to talk about it so I will once.  Making the 
possible accommodation and travel expenses as cheap as possible for a 
bottom line will include more people without having to discuss it.  In 
other words, spend more if you want but...   It's kinda like weight, you 
just don't discuss it in public.   That being said, most state and national 
campgrounds provide group sites for around #2-5 per person per night with 
few restrictions on the number of people in the site.  

Marc

On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:13:17 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as 
> others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to 
> do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to 
> be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard. 
>
> On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin > wrote: 
> > Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and 
> also 
> > has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area.  Denver has by far the 
> > most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a 
> base 
> > camp? 
> > 
> > Marc 
> > 
> > On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise 
> >> querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a 
> variety 
> >> 
> >> of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I 
> thought 
> >> 
> >> I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago 
> >> O'Hare 
> >> would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points 
> of 
> >> 
> >> origin I checked. 
> >> 
> >> Lee 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson 
> >>  
> >> > wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we 
> >>> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home 
> >>> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the 
> >>> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver. 
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin 
> >>> > 
> >>> wrote: 
> >>> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get 
> >>> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot 
> of 
> >>> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get 
> together 
> >>> > 
> >>> as a 
> >>> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the 
> country 
> >>> > 
> >>> is in 
> >>> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and 
> Denver. 
> >>> > 
> >>>  I'm 
> >>> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot 
> >>> going for 
> >>> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen. 
> >>> > 
> >>> > Marc 
> >>> > 
> >>> > 
> >>> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the 
> exact 
> >>> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but 
> >>> somewhere 
> >>> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be 
> nice 
> >>> >> 
> >>> to 
> >>> >> consider. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Colorado? 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then 
> >>> >> that 
> >>> >> would over-weigh a national distribution. 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
> >>> >> <54c...@gmail.com> 
> >>> >> wrote: 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would 
> >>> >>> have 
> >>> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who 
> >>> want to 
> >>> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground. 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of 
> >>> Portland, 
> >>> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be 
> happy 
> >>> to call 
> >>> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something 
> like 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> this. 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize 
> >>> >>> the 
> >>> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe. 
> >>> >>> 
> >>> >>> --Smitty 
> >>> >>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[cyclotourist]

Marc, I think Denver/Boulder is the best location put out. But as
others have mentioned, it needs a critical mass of locals that want to
do the leg-work to get it going. Majority of the conversation seems to
be coming from Bay Area and PNW in that regard.

On 8/2/13, Marc Irwin  wrote:
> Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also
> has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area.  Denver has by far the
> most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base
> camp?
>
> Marc
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise
>> querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety
>>
>> of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought
>>
>> I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago
>> O'Hare
>> would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of
>>
>> origin I checked.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we
>>> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home
>>> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the
>>> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get
>>> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of
>>> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get together
>>> >
>>> as a
>>> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country
>>> >
>>> is in
>>> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver.
>>> >
>>>  I'm
>>> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot
>>> going for
>>> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.
>>> >
>>> > Marc
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact
>>> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but
>>> somewhere
>>> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice
>>> >>
>>> to
>>> >> consider.
>>> >>
>>> >> Colorado?
>>> >>
>>> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then
>>> >> that
>>> >> would over-weigh a national distribution.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt
>>> >> <54c...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who
>>> want to
>>> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of
>>> Portland,
>>> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy
>>> to call
>>> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like
>>> >>>
>>> this.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --Smitty
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Pondero]

I hope this idea materializes.  I'm jealous of all the meet-ups that I've 
been missing.  With some advance planning, I might be able to finally join 
in.  I'd be driving from north Texas, so the Denver (central US) suggestion 
has feasibility appeal for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Michael Hechmer]

I think we are on the right track here...central means easy for most people 
to get, which probably wont be either geographic center or population 
center.  Kansas, Indiana, Missouri and N, Dakota do not qualify as easy to 
get to, except maybe St Louis.  If we're doing this in July it would be 
nice to have some routes with trees.

Michael


On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also 
> has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area.  Denver has by far the 
> most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base 
> camp?
>
> Marc
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise 
>> querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety 
>> of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought 
>> I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare 
>> would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of 
>> origin I checked.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
>>
>>> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we
>>> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home
>>> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the
>>> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get
>>> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of
>>> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get together 
>>> as a
>>> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country 
>>> is in
>>> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. 
>>>  I'm
>>> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot 
>>> going for
>>> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.
>>> >
>>> > Marc
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact
>>> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but 
>>> somewhere
>>> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice 
>>> to
>>> >> consider.
>>> >>
>>> >> Colorado?
>>> >>
>>> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that
>>> >> would over-weigh a national distribution.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54c...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would have
>>> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who 
>>> want to
>>> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of 
>>> Portland,
>>> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy 
>>> to call
>>> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like 
>>> this.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the
>>> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
>>> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Marc Irwin]

Chicago is the cheapest to fly to or from, but Denver ain't bad, and also 
has Amtrak service from the midwest and Bay Area.  Denver has by far the 
most dramatic scenery and perhaps Rocky Mountain National Park for a base 
camp?

Marc

On Friday, August 2, 2013 2:38:40 AM UTC-4, Lee Chae wrote:
>
> I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise 
> querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety 
> of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought 
> I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare 
> would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of 
> origin I checked.
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson 
> > wrote:
>
>> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we
>> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home
>> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the
>> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin > 
>> wrote:
>> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get
>> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of
>> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get together 
>> as a
>> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country 
>> is in
>> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver. 
>>  I'm
>> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot 
>> going for
>> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact
>> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but 
>> somewhere
>> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice 
>> to
>> >> consider.
>> >>
>> >> Colorado?
>> >>
>> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that
>> >> would over-weigh a national distribution.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54c...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would have
>> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who 
>> want to
>> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
>> >>>
>> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of 
>> Portland,
>> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy 
>> to call
>> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like 
>> this.
>> >>>
>> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the
>> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
>> >>>
>> >>> --Smitty
>> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Lee Chae]

I was thinking that way, too, Anne. I actually started out an exercise
querying round-trip airline fares for various destinations from a variety
of cities (SF, NYC, DC, Seattle, Portland, LA, San Diego, etc.). I thought
I'd try Denver as a destination first. So far, it looks like Chicago O'Hare
would be the cheapest average round-trip flight from most of the points of
origin I checked.

Lee


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:

> IF we are looking for geographical centers-- and I don't know that we
> are-- we should look for the geographical center of the rider's home
> towns, not the geographical center of the US. I suspect the
> geographical center of riders would be something like Denver.
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
> > I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get
> > together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of
> > people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get together
> as a
> > result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country
> is in
> > northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver.
>  I'm
> > not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going
> for
> > them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
> >>
> >> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact
> >> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but
> somewhere
> >> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to
> >> consider.
> >>
> >> Colorado?
> >>
> >> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that
> >> would over-weigh a national distribution.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54c...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would have
> >>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who
> want to
> >>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
> >>>
> >>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of Portland,
> >>> so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be happy to
> call
> >>> and at least find out if they could/would accommodate something like
> this.
> >>>
> >>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the
> >>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
> >>>
> >>> --Smitty
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Jim M.]

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:59:44 PM UTC-7, Joe K wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I'm going to be a participant, but isn't it true that, given 
> the way airfares are computed, if many people are coming by air, it may 
> actually be cheaper to fly to a major city on the coasts than to a smaller 
> place in the middle of the country?


>From what I've experienced with business conferences, the cheapest place to 
fly to is Las Vegas, which would be a miserable place to bike in the 
summer. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Robert F. Harrison]

Yep,  at least for me coming from Hawaii. :-) I'm all for the west coast as
I'm probably have enough Hawaiian Airlines miles to make it by then. Just
did RAGBRAI on United miles so those are used up.

Aloha,

Bob
On Aug 1, 2013 3:59 PM, "Joe K"  wrote:

> I'm not sure I'm going to be a participant, but isn't it true that, given
> the way airfares are computed, if many people are coming by air, it may
> actually be cheaper to fly to a major city on the coasts than to a smaller
> place in the middle of the country?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Joe K
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:40:24 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like
>> a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole
>> summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to
>> get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing
>> group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet
>> everyone and ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of
>> thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd
>> only see once a year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Joe K]

I'm not sure I'm going to be a participant, but isn't it true that, given 
the way airfares are computed, if many people are coming by air, it may 
actually be cheaper to fly to a major city on the coasts than to a smaller 
place in the middle of the country?

Just a thought.

Joe K

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:40:24 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
> year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
> to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
> bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
> local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
> ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
> motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
> year or two.  Whatcha'll think?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Robert F. Harrison]

I'll ride with you Eric. I'm too slow for everyone as well - though as it
turns out, I was not the lanterne rouge on this year's RAGBRAI. :-) [I'm
pretty sure that honor would fall to someone who spent too much time passed
out from all the beer folks were drinking.]

Aloha,

Bob


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Eric Platt  wrote:

> Hmm.  Belle Fouche would be close enough to the Mickelson Trail.  Kansas
> would get the Katy trail.  Both being former rail-trails wouldn't be overly
> challenging.  Mickelson might be tougher to do weather wise.  Do believe a
> lot of places are no longer catering to tourists by mid October. (1880's
> Train stops running after Columbus Day weekend).
>
> These are just suggestions.  Honestly, I'd probably not attend as am
> realizing that as a rider, am too fat and slow to ride with others
> anymore.  The price I'm paying for playing more music this year.
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> Well played Bob, my mom the Social Studies teacher would be proud! I
>> think again its obvious this will be another Portland or Bay area thing,
>> because they are starved for Riv get togethers. :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually the geographic center of the contiguous US is in Kansas. The
>>> geographic center of the US including the Riv owners in Hawaii and Alaska
>>> is near Belle Fourche, South Dakota. :-) And if we go by population it's
>>> either in Missouri (mean) or Indiana (median).
>>>
>>> There are at least a couple of Rivs here in Hawaii (besides my two) so
>>> let's have no CONUS only bias. :-) [Don't even get me started about
>>> shipping.] :-)
>>>
>>> Having said that, I'm pretty sure the middle of nowhere in Kansas is a
>>> bit easier to get to than the western edge of South Dakota from Hawaii
>>> though I could be wrong on that one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Aloha from Oahu!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>>
 I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get
 together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of
 people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get together as a
 result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is
 in northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver.
  I'm not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot
 going for them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.

 Marc


 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact
> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere
> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to
> consider.
>
> Colorado?
>
> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that
> would over-weigh a national distribution.
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
> <54c...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would have
>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want 
>> to
>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
>>
>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus  is
>> in the coast range west of Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But 
>> if
>> there's interest I'd be happy to call and at least find out if they
>> could/would accommodate something like this.
>>
>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the
>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Anne Paulson]

Hey, I thought we were going to have an entire section of our
campsites for old and slow!

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Eric Platt  wrote:
> Hmm.  Belle Fouche would be close enough to the Mickelson Trail.  Kansas
> would get the Katy trail.  Both being former rail-trails wouldn't be overly
> challenging.  Mickelson might be tougher to do weather wise.  Do believe a
> lot of places are no longer catering to tourists by mid October. (1880's
> Train stops running after Columbus Day weekend).
>
> These are just suggestions.  Honestly, I'd probably not attend as am
> realizing that as a rider, am too fat and slow to ride with others anymore.
> The price I'm paying for playing more music this year.
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Peter Morgano 
> wrote:
>>
>> Well played Bob, my mom the Social Studies teacher would be proud! I think
>> again its obvious this will be another Portland or Bay area thing, because
>> they are starved for Riv get togethers. :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually the geographic center of the contiguous US is in Kansas. The
>>> geographic center of the US including the Riv owners in Hawaii and Alaska is
>>> near Belle Fourche, South Dakota. :-) And if we go by population it's either
>>> in Missouri (mean) or Indiana (median).
>>>
>>> There are at least a couple of Rivs here in Hawaii (besides my two) so
>>> let's have no CONUS only bias. :-) [Don't even get me started about
>>> shipping.] :-)
>>>
>>> Having said that, I'm pretty sure the middle of nowhere in Kansas is a
>>> bit easier to get to than the western edge of South Dakota from Hawaii
>>> though I could be wrong on that one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Aloha from Oahu!
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

 I was going to chime in on that also.  If it is to be a national get
 together, picking a place in one distant corner will rule out a lot of
 people just because of the travel.  It will be a regional get together as a
 result.  As I mentioned earlier the geographical center of the country is 
 in
 northern Kansas almost equidistant from Kansas City, Omaha and Denver.  I'm
 not familiar with Omaha but Kansas City and Denver both have a lot going 
 for
 them and a lot of very interesting riding to be chosen.

 Marc


 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> If this is to be a national get together, can we have it in the exact
> geometrical center of the country? Just kidding about that, but somewhere
> more or less accessible to the majority of participants would be nice to
> consider.
>
> Colorado?
>
> Of course, if most of the interested parties are in the PNW, then that
> would over-weigh a national distribution.
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54c...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if we could find some sort of B&B type place that would have
>> rooms for those who want to sleep indoors and a lawn for those who want 
>> to
>> throw a sleeping bag on the ground.
>>
>> The Coastal Mountain Sport Haus is in the coast range west of
>> Portland, so not really near Bellingham. But if there's interest I'd be
>> happy to call and at least find out if they could/would accommodate
>> something like this.
>>
>> My vote regarding date would be earlier the better... to maximize the
>> cool and green. Although by mid-July the berries are ripe.
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
>>
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