[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Shifty]

Thanks for the inspiration, Thomas. If my self-employment allows, I'll be 
riding a 60 cm Hillborne in Ohio a week from today. If work doesn't allow, 
it'll be a little longer wait, unfortunately.

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

+1 for the Dennings of The Country Bike Shop; I drove there late 2009 (6 hours 
each way for me) just to straddle a Hillborne. I was nervous that I maybe 
misunderstood or fumbled the whole PBH thing and would find myself getting a 
poorly-fitting bike. They set it up with my kind of bars, did the PBH 
measuring, let me straddle one with a B17 (which is now my favorite kind if 
saddle), and chatted with me and my companion for a good while about bike-y 
things in their completely delightful shop.

12 hours each way in a car is tough to justify for any shopping trip. But going 
to The Country Bike Shop is a big incentive.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Shifty]

Thanks, Smitty. I spoke with Dick from Country Bike Shop who has the same 
bike. He also helped me locate this group to locate a used Ramboullliet or 
Hilsen, what a guy! If work allows I'm going to drive 12 hours each way to 
compare the ride of the Sam vs. an A. Homer Hilsen. A $1000 more is going to 
be a tough sell but have heard that it rides a little more like what I'm 
accustomed to. Any of you tried a similar comparison?

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Aaron Schmidt]

One datapoint for your breakdown: my 60cm didn't come with a
seatpost.

On Aug 12, 9:08 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> They noted this price jump with regret a while ago.
> As far as I can discern, the current Sam line-up is:
>
> 48cm - Waterford - single TT - 650b - canti brakes? - BB, headset, no
> seatpost - $1500
> 52cm - Waterford - single TT - 650b - canti brakes? - BB, headset, no
> seatpost - $1500
> 56cm - Taiwan - double TT - 700c - sidepull brakes -  BB, headset, w/
> seatpost - $1050
> 60cm - Taiwan - double TT - 700c - sidepull brakes - BB, headset, w/
> seatpost - $1050
> 64cm - Waterford - double TT - 700c - canti brakes? -  BB, headset, no
> seatpost - $1500
>
> Clear as mud, eh?
>
> There is no mention of brakes anywhere, so I'm guessing the W'ford frames
> are all canti. Photos of the 56 and 60 show sidepull brakes, but we all know
> enough by now not to assume that means that ALL 56 & 60's will have
> sidepulls!
> Also guessing they are all green at the moment.
> Corrections welcome!
>
> -Pete (happy owner of a SingleSixtySidepullSam)

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Shifty]

Thanks for the suggestion, Smitty. I contacted Dick at Country Bike Store 
who has the same rig. Must be the Taiwan frame, I didn't ask but will. It's 
a 12 hour drive each way for me to test ride so, can any of you attest to 
the ride quality between a Taiwan Sam Hillborne and a Waterford A. Homer 
Hilsen? Naturally, I'd prefer to save $1K if they feel basically the same 
with no, or 5 lbs. worth or gear. Now, if they're only $500 dollars apart, 
I'd be more inclined to buy up to the prettier paint and Waterford 
origination (AHH).

And to attest to the green color, Dick also suggested that the green is much 
prettier in person than in the website. Personally, I love the old orange 
and would prefer it.

Best to all.

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Shifty]

Indeed, the reason is clearly explained in the frame description; D-OH! I 
thought the price had suddenly risen. 

I'll contact Dick at Country Bike Shop for further info. He spent at least 
10 minutes talking to me on the phone last Saturday. Saturday! 

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

60cm double top tube canti-studded "new green" Hillbornes can be ordered. 
presumably similar 56s can be too

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean



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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Seattle Smitty]

I recently saw a 60cm single TT Sam in orange at Free Range Cycles in 
Seattle . Not sure where you are, Shifty, 
and not sure if FRC ships bikes, but if Riv HQ doesn't/won't have what 
you're looking for it might be worth calling FRC. 

I have no connection to FRC other than that I enjoy shopping there.   

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Earl Grey]

Btw, that new green is gorgeous. Much nicer in person than on the riv
site photos. Almost as nice as the original orange, and much nicer
than the original green IMHO. :)

Gernot (first batch 56cm orange single top tube canti Taiwan Sam)
Huber

On Aug 12, 9:08 pm, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> They noted this price jump with regret a while ago.
> As far as I can discern, the current Sam line-up is:
>
> 48cm - Waterford - single TT - 650b - canti brakes? - BB, headset, no
> seatpost - $1500
> 52cm - Waterford - single TT - 650b - canti brakes? - BB, headset, no
> seatpost - $1500
> 56cm - Taiwan - double TT - 700c - sidepull brakes -  BB, headset, w/
> seatpost - $1050
> 60cm - Taiwan - double TT - 700c - sidepull brakes - BB, headset, w/
> seatpost - $1050
> 64cm - Waterford - double TT - 700c - canti brakes? -  BB, headset, no
> seatpost - $1500
>
> Clear as mud, eh?
>
> There is no mention of brakes anywhere, so I'm guessing the W'ford frames
> are all canti. Photos of the 56 and 60 show sidepull brakes, but we all know
> enough by now not to assume that means that ALL 56 & 60's will have
> sidepulls!
> Also guessing they are all green at the moment.
> Corrections welcome!
>
> -Pete (happy owner of a SingleSixtySidepullSam)

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Peter Pesce]

They noted this price jump with regret a while ago. 
As far as I can discern, the current Sam line-up is:

48cm - Waterford - single TT - 650b - canti brakes? - BB, headset, no 
seatpost - $1500
52cm - Waterford - single TT - 650b - canti brakes? - BB, headset, no 
seatpost - $1500
56cm - Taiwan - double TT - 700c - sidepull brakes -  BB, headset, w/ 
seatpost - $1050
60cm - Taiwan - double TT - 700c - sidepull brakes - BB, headset, w/ 
seatpost - $1050
64cm - Waterford - double TT - 700c - canti brakes? -  BB, headset, no 
seatpost - $1500

Clear as mud, eh?

There is no mention of brakes anywhere, so I'm guessing the W'ford frames 
are all canti. Photos of the 56 and 60 show sidepull brakes, but we all know 
enough by now not to assume that means that ALL 56 & 60's will have 
sidepulls!
Also guessing they are all green at the moment.
Corrections welcome!

-Pete (happy owner of a SingleSixtySidepullSam)

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I can't say for certain... but I can't recall seeing anything that suggested 
that single-top-tube 56 or 60 Hillbornes are in the plan as of now.

Definitely worth a call or e-mail to rbwhq if you're interested in knowing.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[Scotty]

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that they wont be stocking single 
tube 60's for now and that all new stock frames 56 and up will be doubles, 
and again, may be wrong, but the $1500 frames are the Waterford built ones. 
Please correct me if I am giving bad info.

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[RBW] Re: Did the price go up on new Sam Hillborne frames?

[benzzoy]

As stated in the text of the Sam Hillborne page, the more expensive
Sam Hillbornes are made by Waterford, while the cheaper ones are made
in Taiwan.  The place of manufacture, rather than the number of top
tubes, appear to determine the selling price.


On Aug 11, 8:18 pm, Shifty  wrote:
> Sam Hillborne SINGLE TUBE frames on rivbike.com are currently selling for
> $1500, while DOUBLE TUBE frames are listed at $1050. I'm just wondering what
> the price will likely be for a 60 cm single tube when they get restocked. Is
> the single tube price a reflecton of supply and demand? If so, I'm tempted
> to buy the double tube even though I don't need it.

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