Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Man, that was a tough request. I had to do some digging, but I finally found the original invoice from the on-line shop where I bought it. The invoice is dated October, 2004 and the Avid disc brake assembly was listed as BR7082. Not sure what that means - an Avid part number or the shop's inventory part number. Anyway, it evidently dates back to pretty early in the BB7 scheme and you raise valid points about improvements that the manf. probably made over the last decade+. I keep saying "it" because I only bought one for the front and have a V-brake on the rear because back then Surly didn't have a good way of removing the wheel with those rear facing dropouts if it was set up with a disc brake back there. Looking back on the purchase, I think I would've used V-brakes both front and back if I had to do it all over again. On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 12:45:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Very good points, George. > > Question: what model/version of the BB7s are you using? Are they mountain > or road? New or old? > > For the record, all my disc setups (all 3 have been BB7s, 1 or 2 mountain > of the circa 2012 or so vintage; 2 road, one circa 2010, one 2016) have > been installed on bikes with hollow QR axles. I did notice some pad rub -- > but only sometimes! Usually after riding several miles in fine sand or dust > -- when I stood, this with the mt version and V brake drop levers; but not > with the current roads. > > If I were to replace my current BB7s, I'd look closely at the Spyres and > Klampers; but I am very pleased to say that, so far, I am very, very > pleased with the current version of the BB7 road model. > > Speaking to Garth's post: I think mechanical disc brakes are pretty well > sorted out by now, at least to judge by my late model BB7s, which > scuttlebutt says are not as good as Spyres and Klampers. They work pretty > damned well! > > Value for discs: IMO, only for dirty riding where rim brakes can wear out > rims quickly; and of course for wet riding, if you like. They also let you > use very light rims, like the Velocity Blunt SS: > > > http://www.wiggle.com/velocity-rims-blunt-ss-mtb-rim/?lang=us&curr=USD&dest=18&sku=5360699424&kpid=5360699424&utm_source=google&utm_term&utm_campaign=US_PLA_High+Margin&utm_medium=base&utm_content=mkwid%7csxoSZlk5w_dc%7cpcrid%7c96364502648%7cpkw%7c%7cpmt%7c%7cprd%7c5360699424us > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:21 PM, George Schick > wrote: > >> Patrick - I'd add one more item to your list. I've got a BB7 on the >> front of my Surly 1x1 and for years I had trouble with the pads rubbing the >> rotor, making noises while riding - just as Jan has pointed out as a >> potential shortcoming of discs. I tried everything; trued the rotor, >> changed the rotor to new, changed to higher quality pads, etc. Nothing >> worked as a lasting solution. Finally, I bought a solid axle to replace >> the QR that came with the hub, installed it, and *bolted* it onto the >> fork. No problems whatsoever since then including rubbing noise or >> adjustment issues. >> >> I'm concluding that *some* disc units on *some* forks (especially with >> QR) may present ongoing problems that only a bolted-on hub will prevent. >> Now, the BB7 is a lower quality mechanical disc unit so maybe high-end >> units are different. I also have an early 2000's Trek Fuel 90 MTB >> (equipped with QR hubs, BTW) that came equipped with Hayes hydro units and >> they were a continual problem - rubbed or even just plain locked up all the >> time. I final threw in the towel on 'em last year and upgraded the entire >> system to Shimano's highest-end brakes. Nary a problem ever since - smooth >> braking, no grabbing, no rubbing. And the LBS that I bought the Shimano >> unit from immediately acknowledged the PITA they'd always had with Hayes >> brakes. So maybe there are a myriad of factors at work and if one gets >> stuck with an unworkable set up they just have to experiment around until >> they find out what solves the problem. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Very good points, George. Question: what model/version of the BB7s are you using? Are they mountain or road? New or old? For the record, all my disc setups (all 3 have been BB7s, 1 or 2 mountain of the circa 2012 or so vintage; 2 road, one circa 2010, one 2016) have been installed on bikes with hollow QR axles. I did notice some pad rub -- but only sometimes! Usually after riding several miles in fine sand or dust -- when I stood, this with the mt version and V brake drop levers; but not with the current roads. If I were to replace my current BB7s, I'd look closely at the Spyres and Klampers; but I am very pleased to say that, so far, I am very, very pleased with the current version of the BB7 road model. Speaking to Garth's post: I think mechanical disc brakes are pretty well sorted out by now, at least to judge by my late model BB7s, which scuttlebutt says are not as good as Spyres and Klampers. They work pretty damned well! Value for discs: IMO, only for dirty riding where rim brakes can wear out rims quickly; and of course for wet riding, if you like. They also let you use very light rims, like the Velocity Blunt SS: http://www.wiggle.com/velocity-rims-blunt-ss-mtb-rim/?lang=us&curr=USD&dest=18&sku=5360699424&kpid=5360699424&utm_source=google&utm_term&utm_campaign=US_PLA_High+Margin&utm_medium=base&utm_content=mkwid%7csxoSZlk5w_dc%7cpcrid%7c96364502648%7cpkw%7c%7cpmt%7c%7cprd%7c5360699424us On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:21 PM, George Schick wrote: > Patrick - I'd add one more item to your list. I've got a BB7 on the front > of my Surly 1x1 and for years I had trouble with the pads rubbing the > rotor, making noises while riding - just as Jan has pointed out as a > potential shortcoming of discs. I tried everything; trued the rotor, > changed the rotor to new, changed to higher quality pads, etc. Nothing > worked as a lasting solution. Finally, I bought a solid axle to replace > the QR that came with the hub, installed it, and *bolted* it onto the > fork. No problems whatsoever since then including rubbing noise or > adjustment issues. > > I'm concluding that *some* disc units on *some* forks (especially with > QR) may present ongoing problems that only a bolted-on hub will prevent. > Now, the BB7 is a lower quality mechanical disc unit so maybe high-end > units are different. I also have an early 2000's Trek Fuel 90 MTB > (equipped with QR hubs, BTW) that came equipped with Hayes hydro units and > they were a continual problem - rubbed or even just plain locked up all the > time. I final threw in the towel on 'em last year and upgraded the entire > system to Shimano's highest-end brakes. Nary a problem ever since - smooth > braking, no grabbing, no rubbing. And the LBS that I bought the Shimano > unit from immediately acknowledged the PITA they'd always had with Hayes > brakes. So maybe there are a myriad of factors at work and if one gets > stuck with an unworkable set up they just have to experiment around until > they find out what solves the problem. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Oh ... close enough to OT to be OT. whatever that "on topic" may or may not include. Disc brakes ? Maybe some day, like when/if I realy need them and when/if ever there is some sort of standard to the standard, becàuse now it's a free-for-aĺl. Maybe those days are gone though, it seems so. I can see why retail bike shops would have such a hard time, you now need a separate warehouse for all the different parts for all the different standards. The Good things of life don't need fixed and replaced, and that is why the good is so absolutely good, for nothing else matters but this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
I think the subject itself is pretty on topic as the Riv Blug has had a number of essays covering this subject. I recall that Mr. Petersen was contemplating a disc tab for the rear of the HBH tandem at one point. On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 1:29:28 AM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote: > > Now that I think about it isn't this discussion a little OT for Riv? I > remember somebody was threatening to put disc tabs on an Atlantis at one > point, but i don't think I've actually seen it done. Am I wrong? If post > post the link cuz now I'm curious. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Now that I think about it isn't this discussion a little OT for Riv? I remember somebody was threatening to put disc tabs on an Atlantis at one point, but i don't think I've actually seen it done. Am I wrong? If post post the link cuz now I'm curious. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Patrick - I'd add one more item to your list. I've got a BB7 on the front of my Surly 1x1 and for years I had trouble with the pads rubbing the rotor, making noises while riding - just as Jan has pointed out as a potential shortcoming of discs. I tried everything; trued the rotor, changed the rotor to new, changed to higher quality pads, etc. Nothing worked as a lasting solution. Finally, I bought a solid axle to replace the QR that came with the hub, installed it, and *bolted* it onto the fork. No problems whatsoever since then including rubbing noise or adjustment issues. I'm concluding that *some* disc units on *some* forks (especially with QR) may present ongoing problems that only a bolted-on hub will prevent. Now, the BB7 is a lower quality mechanical disc unit so maybe high-end units are different. I also have an early 2000's Trek Fuel 90 MTB (equipped with QR hubs, BTW) that came equipped with Hayes hydro units and they were a continual problem - rubbed or even just plain locked up all the time. I final threw in the towel on 'em last year and upgraded the entire system to Shimano's highest-end brakes. Nary a problem ever since - smooth braking, no grabbing, no rubbing. And the LBS that I bought the Shimano unit from immediately acknowledged the PITA they'd always had with Hayes brakes. So maybe there are a myriad of factors at work and if one gets stuck with an unworkable set up they just have to experiment around until they find out what solves the problem. On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:59:20 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > My Road BB7s work -- stop and feel -- as well as any centerpull I've used, > except that they don't modulate as well, using Jagwire housing and old 740n > Dura Ace levers. There is a trick to setting them up that I learned on the > web: attach the cable to the actuation arms when the latter have been moved > through about 1/3 of their travel, not when they are fully relaxed. This > allows more pad distance while also allowing a "feel" like any caliper I've > used, with very good stopping power. Stock rotors; 160 mm? > > Very much better than the previous MTB BB7s with V brake levers in both > pad clearance and feel; stopping power about the same; same rotors. > > Note that the older version of these road BB7s were among the worst brakes > I've ever used, with the same levers and Jagwire housing. > > Note also that it is possible that I have a lower performance bar than > others may, but I have set up scores of brakes of every different sort over > almost 50 years of tinkering. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Evan Baird > wrote: > >> While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals >> in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical >> brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless >> housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the >> Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask >> because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake >> combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing >> on singletrack. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. > Other professional writing services. > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten > ** > ** > *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a > circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and > individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu > > *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the > world revolves.) *Carthusian motto > > *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart > > *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Question: I have been procrastinating on a project to remove the interrupter levers (I expect I'll get a bit more precision in the brakes' actuation with all the related junctions removed), but I want to do this eventually. I have a Yokuzuna kit that can replace the Jagwire. Is the Yokuzuna housing sufficiently better than Jagwire to make the swap worthwhile, or should I save the Y for some other time or project? On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > My Road BB7s work -- stop and feel -- as well as any centerpull I've used, > except that they don't modulate as well, using Jagwire housing and old 740n > Dura Ace levers. There is a trick to setting them up that I learned on the > web: attach the cable to the actuation arms when the latter have been moved > through about 1/3 of their travel, not when they are fully relaxed. This > allows more pad distance while also allowing a "feel" like any caliper I've > used, with very good stopping power. Stock rotors; 160 mm? > > Very much better than the previous MTB BB7s with V brake levers in both > pad clearance and feel; stopping power about the same; same rotors. > > Note that the older version of these road BB7s were among the worst brakes > I've ever used, with the same levers and Jagwire housing. > > Note also that it is possible that I have a lower performance bar than > others may, but I have set up scores of brakes of every different sort over > almost 50 years of tinkering. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Evan Baird wrote: > >> While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals >> in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical >> brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless >> housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the >> Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask >> because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake >> combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing >> on singletrack. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. > Other professional writing services. > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten > ** > ** > *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a > circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and > individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu > > *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the > world revolves.) *Carthusian motto > > *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart > > *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle > > > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ** ** *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
My Road BB7s work -- stop and feel -- as well as any centerpull I've used, except that they don't modulate as well, using Jagwire housing and old 740n Dura Ace levers. There is a trick to setting them up that I learned on the web: attach the cable to the actuation arms when the latter have been moved through about 1/3 of their travel, not when they are fully relaxed. This allows more pad distance while also allowing a "feel" like any caliper I've used, with very good stopping power. Stock rotors; 160 mm? Very much better than the previous MTB BB7s with V brake levers in both pad clearance and feel; stopping power about the same; same rotors. Note that the older version of these road BB7s were among the worst brakes I've ever used, with the same levers and Jagwire housing. Note also that it is possible that I have a lower performance bar than others may, but I have set up scores of brakes of every different sort over almost 50 years of tinkering. On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Evan Baird wrote: > While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals > in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical > brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless > housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the > Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask > because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake > combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing > on singletrack. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ** ** *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
It seems that mechanical discs need larger rotors than hydraulics, that is all. We tested a Jones with 200 mm rotors and mechanical (mtb) Shimano discs (XT, I recall), and they were very powerful, but a bit too grabby. All the bikes we've tested recently with 160 mm rotors (mostly TRP Spyre brakes) were "almost" fine, but not quite as powerful as a good centerpull. That seems to indicate that 180 mm is worth a try... Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Evan Baird wrote: > While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals > in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical > brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless > housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the > Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask > because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake > combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing > on singletrack. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
I use TRP Hy/Rds on my Foundry Auger, with TRP Pro compressionless housing. The Hy/Rds are worlds better than the BB7R's that I used previously, and almost as good as XT or Guide MTB hydraulic brakes. The secret (same as with any mechanical disc brake) is to keep the rotor really true so that you can run with the pads really tight. That results in short lever thrown and a nice, tight feel. On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Evan Baird wrote: > While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals > in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical > brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless > housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the > Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask > because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake > combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing > on singletrack. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing on singletrack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
I actually prefer racks to slant up a bit. Far better than slanting down! - Ryan On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 5:34 PM Clayton.sf wrote: > At least from my experience the adaptors "kick out" production racks too > much so you end up with them sitting too high and the rack slanting up. For > a custom rack that is not a problem though. > > Clayton Scott > SF, CA > > > On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-8, René wrote: > > I wonder why you say that. I mounted my rack using the adapters that Paul > sells for precisely this option. Granted, without them it may be a hassle. > > René > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:09 AM Jan Heine wrote: > > The Pauls are nice in their own way, but they don't work well with racks > that mount to the canti posts... > > Jan Heine > Editor > Bicycle Quarterly > www.bikequarterly.com > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > > Aren't the Paul neo-retros just updated mafac canti brakes? Maybe you guys > could get a review set :) > > > > > > - Ryan > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
At least from my experience the adaptors "kick out" production racks too much so you end up with them sitting too high and the rack slanting up. For a custom rack that is not a problem though. Clayton Scott SF, CA On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-8, René wrote: > I wonder why you say that. I mounted my rack using the adapters that Paul > sells for precisely this option. Granted, without them it may be a hassle. > > René > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:09 AM Jan Heine > wrote: > >> The Pauls are nice in their own way, but they don't work well with racks >> that mount to the canti posts... >> >> Jan Heine >> Editor >> Bicycle Quarterly >> www.bikequarterly.com >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Ryan Ray > > wrote: >> >>> Aren't the Paul neo-retros just updated mafac canti brakes? Maybe you >>> guys could get a review set :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Ryan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe >>> . >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >>> >> >>> >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> >>> >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> >> >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> >> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
I wonder why you say that. I mounted my rack using the adapters that Paul sells for precisely this option. Granted, without them it may be a hassle. René On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:09 AM Jan Heine wrote: > The Pauls are nice in their own way, but they don't work well with racks > that mount to the canti posts... > > Jan Heine > Editor > Bicycle Quarterly > www.bikequarterly.com > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > > Aren't the Paul neo-retros just updated mafac canti brakes? Maybe you guys > could get a review set :) > > > > > > - Ryan > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
my recent favorites have been the campagnolo cantilever (made by tektro). easy setup and some nice features. Clayton Scott SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Anyone tried the "CAMFAM" canti brakes from IRD? - Ryan On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:09 AM Jan Heine wrote: > The Pauls are nice in their own way, but they don't work well with racks > that mount to the canti posts... > > Jan Heine > Editor > Bicycle Quarterly > www.bikequarterly.com > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > > Aren't the Paul neo-retros just updated mafac canti brakes? Maybe you guys > could get a review set :) > > > > > > - Ryan > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
The Pauls are nice in their own way, but they don't work well with racks that mount to the canti posts... Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: > Aren't the Paul neo-retros just updated mafac canti brakes? Maybe you guys > could get a review set :) > > - Ryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Thanks for this article, Jan. It definitely speaks to my experience, although CPs are not my chosen rim brakes. I will hopefully have a chance to test out some CPs sometime soon. My stable at the moment consists a Hillborne and a Surly Krampus--two very different bikes, indeed. On the Hillborne I use (admittedly cheap but quite functional when set up correctly) Tektro cr720s with Koolstop pads and Shimano Tiagra levers. I am *very* happy with the stopping power and modulation of the system. As a sidenote, the same brakes with MTB-style Tektro levers were far from optimal. The straddle cables were set up similarly and I had the correct levers based on the needed pull. It's a mystery to me. Getting to the point of my post, on the Krampus, I have XT hydraulic discs, and the first time I took it on the trail I nearly rocketed over the handlebars on a descent because of the stopping power. I've since learned that there is plenty of modulation available with the hydros, but it takes much less force and more of a nuanced "feel" to find the sweet spot for each braking scenario. I can't imagine a time when I would need hydraulic discs on a road/gravel bike like my Hillborne--the cantis are more than adequate, and I imagine that nice CPs would be even better--but I'm thankful for their existence on my Krampus. Overall, It's a sour apples (cantis) to sweet oranges (hydros) comparison--both of which have myriad culinary uses, of course--and something that everyone should experience at some point, if only on a demo or loaner bike. Bob K. in Baltimore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Aren't the Paul neo-retros just updated mafac canti brakes? Maybe you guys could get a review set :) - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Cool, nice of you all to go to the trouble. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
We've sourced a number of yokes from old Mafac Raid brakes. They have been checked, polished and made better than new. Soon, we'll offer a limited number of brakes for bolt-on mounting... Stay tuned. (And if anybody has a set of Mafac Raid - not Racer - yokes or backing plates that they don't need because they mounted the brakes to brazed-on pivots, please get in touch...) Commissioning a forging die for the backing plate and offer it as a regular model is unlikely, because the cost is so high. A CNC-machined yoke would have to be very beefy to withstand the loads, and it would look totally out of place with the slender forged arms of our brakes. Jan Heine Compass Cycles www.compasscycle.com On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 6:13 PM, ted wrote: > Hey Jan, > > Speaking of products Compass might consider ... > In the past I've seen posts wishing that Compass brakes were offered with > yokes for mounting without brazed on posts. > Yesterday I saw (or at least think I saw) "with yoke and ..." options in > the menu for Compass brakes. > Are you all developing tooling, and starting to produce new mounting yokes > similar to the old Mafac Raid stock offering? > > regards > ted > > On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 6:01:12 PM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote: >> >> I wish I could answer that question. I haven't used any >> current-production cantis that were really elegant and top-notch. I like >> the old Mafacs for their simplicity and excellent function, but there are >> other ideas out there, too. It seems like a product that Compass should >> consider... >> >> Jan Heine >> Compass Cycles >> www.compasscycle.com >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Daniel Jackson >> wrote: >> >>> Jan, >>> >>> What is your pick these days for the best currently available cantilever >>> brakes? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Daniel >>> >>> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 9:54:23 AM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: Often, the cycling world seems split between those who absolutely love discs and those who think they are just awful. The reality, as so often, is more complex. After riding more than 20 bikes with disc brakes for significant distances (a typical Bicycle Quarterly test goes over 300-1000 km and lasts a few weeks), I found that discs have their applications, but they aren't my preferred brakes for just every bike. Read more about the pros and cons of disc brakes at https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/01/10/disc-brake-pros-and-cons/ Enjoy! Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >>> pic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Hey Jan, Speaking of products Compass might consider ... In the past I've seen posts wishing that Compass brakes were offered with yokes for mounting without brazed on posts. Yesterday I saw (or at least think I saw) "with yoke and ..." options in the menu for Compass brakes. Are you all developing tooling, and starting to produce new mounting yokes similar to the old Mafac Raid stock offering? regards ted On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 6:01:12 PM UTC-8, Jan Heine wrote: > > I wish I could answer that question. I haven't used any current-production > cantis that were really elegant and top-notch. I like the old Mafacs for > their simplicity and excellent function, but there are other ideas out > there, too. It seems like a product that Compass should consider... > > Jan Heine > Compass Cycles > www.compasscycle.com > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Daniel Jackson > wrote: > >> Jan, >> >> What is your pick these days for the best currently available cantilever >> brakes? >> >> Thanks, >> Daniel >> >> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 9:54:23 AM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: >>> >>> Often, the cycling world seems split between those who absolutely love >>> discs and those who think they are just awful. The reality, as so often, is >>> more complex. After riding more than 20 bikes with disc brakes for >>> significant distances (a typical Bicycle Quarterly test goes over 300-1000 >>> km and lasts a few weeks), I found that discs have their applications, but >>> they aren't my preferred brakes for just every bike. Read more about the >>> pros and cons of disc brakes at >>> >>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/01/10/disc-brake-pros-and-cons/ >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> Jan Heine >>> Editor >>> Bicycle Quarterly >>> www.bikequarterly.com >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
I wish I could answer that question. I haven't used any current-production cantis that were really elegant and top-notch. I like the old Mafacs for their simplicity and excellent function, but there are other ideas out there, too. It seems like a product that Compass should consider... Jan Heine Compass Cycles www.compasscycle.com On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Daniel Jackson < daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jan, > > What is your pick these days for the best currently available cantilever > brakes? > > Thanks, > Daniel > > On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 9:54:23 AM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: >> >> Often, the cycling world seems split between those who absolutely love >> discs and those who think they are just awful. The reality, as so often, is >> more complex. After riding more than 20 bikes with disc brakes for >> significant distances (a typical Bicycle Quarterly test goes over 300-1000 >> km and lasts a few weeks), I found that discs have their applications, but >> they aren't my preferred brakes for just every bike. Read more about the >> pros and cons of disc brakes at >> >> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/01/10/disc-brake-pros-and-cons/ >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Jan Heine >> Editor >> Bicycle Quarterly >> www.bikequarterly.com >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Jan, What is your pick these days for the best currently available cantilever brakes? Thanks, Daniel On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 9:54:23 AM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: > > Often, the cycling world seems split between those who absolutely love > discs and those who think they are just awful. The reality, as so often, is > more complex. After riding more than 20 bikes with disc brakes for > significant distances (a typical Bicycle Quarterly test goes over 300-1000 > km and lasts a few weeks), I found that discs have their applications, but > they aren't my preferred brakes for just every bike. Read more about the > pros and cons of disc brakes at > > https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/01/10/disc-brake-pros-and-cons/ > > Enjoy! > > Jan Heine > Editor > Bicycle Quarterly > www.bikequarterly.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Good question. Cantis and centerpulls really need good setup. Most use an oversized brake cable as a straddle wire, which needs to be set to conform to the straddle cable hanger, otherwise, it takes the first lever travel just to straighten the straddle wire. There are better ways to set up straddle cables, see https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/04/04/straddle-cables-done-right/ The biggest issue with V-brakes was that they did have a higher mechanical advantage (less slack meant you could set the pads closer to the rim), but that exacerbated the issues with flexing the fork blades and seatstays under hard braking. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:38 AM, George Schick wrote: > Jan - just curious whether or not it would be worthwhile to throw > linear-pull brakes into the mix of various rim brakes for comparison. If > I'm not mistaken, the main reason these "V-brakes" were developed in the > first place was because of cable routing problems on certain MTB frames, > especially those with dual suspensions. However, my experience has been > that the longer metal arms of linear-pull vs. the wire associated with > cantilevers seem to give a more "solid" feel to the braking effort. Any > thoughts? > > On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 8:54:23 AM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote: >> >> Often, the cycling world seems split between those who absolutely love >> discs and those who think they are just awful. The reality, as so often, is >> more complex. After riding more than 20 bikes with disc brakes for >> significant distances (a typical Bicycle Quarterly test goes over 300-1000 >> km and lasts a few weeks), I found that discs have their applications, but >> they aren't my preferred brakes for just every bike. Read more about the >> pros and cons of disc brakes at >> >> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/01/10/disc-brake-pros-and-cons/ >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Jan Heine >> Editor >> Bicycle Quarterly >> www.bikequarterly.com >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/rbw-owners-bunch/I2AP5oO2Wdo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons
Jan - just curious whether or not it would be worthwhile to throw linear-pull brakes into the mix of various rim brakes for comparison. If I'm not mistaken, the main reason these "V-brakes" were developed in the first place was because of cable routing problems on certain MTB frames, especially those with dual suspensions. However, my experience has been that the longer metal arms of linear-pull vs. the wire associated with cantilevers seem to give a more "solid" feel to the braking effort. Any thoughts? On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 8:54:23 AM UTC-6, Jan Heine wrote: > > Often, the cycling world seems split between those who absolutely love > discs and those who think they are just awful. The reality, as so often, is > more complex. After riding more than 20 bikes with disc brakes for > significant distances (a typical Bicycle Quarterly test goes over 300-1000 > km and lasts a few weeks), I found that discs have their applications, but > they aren't my preferred brakes for just every bike. Read more about the > pros and cons of disc brakes at > > https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/01/10/disc-brake-pros-and-cons/ > > Enjoy! > > Jan Heine > Editor > Bicycle Quarterly > www.bikequarterly.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
