Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[El Sapo]

I found one and got it all set up to my liking. On a ride once, somebody 
asked if the bike “planed” when it got up to speed. It surprised me that 
someone would use a windsurfing description to describe a bike ride. After 
that question I was determined to see if it did. What I found was that my 
skinny tire, drop bar days were over. Getting that thing up to speed wasn’t 
comfortable for me. On the plus side, like the expedition, there is a 
market out there for those “Grant approved” bikes. It sold quickly.
 
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> There's a 54 Sequoia frame on the iBOB: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/zN8AhPA-bew
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 8:33:33 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Erik,
>>
>> Nice looking Sequoia! I agree, my '82 has a nice ride feel to it as well. 
>> I did a 60 mile ride this past Saturday on it, very comfortable, fits very 
>> well. You can check the year of your bike by looking at the serial number 
>> stamped on the bottom bracket. Mine starts with M2, indicating 1982, so I 
>> would think you bike would be M6.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:01:55 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Erik!
>>>
>>> Fun to see that old sequoia pop up on here, still got a soft spot in my 
>>> heart for that bike! Good memories..
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:04:33 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

 Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one 
 of Richard Schwinn’s best pals.


 Anyone who read Grant's Blahg entry on the closing of Waterford will 
 know that Richard Schwinn has more best pals than just about anyone you 
 can 
 name. I happen to be lucky enough to live near him and his true best pal, 
 his wife, Shoe. And I get to see them regularly at Milwaukee Symphony 
 Orchestra concerts.

 Regarding my Waterford  keep your eyes out for the next issue of 
 American Randonneur.

  Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[Eric Marth]

There's a 54 Sequoia frame on the iBOB: 
https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/zN8AhPA-bew

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 8:33:33 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

>
> Hello Erik,
>
> Nice looking Sequoia! I agree, my '82 has a nice ride feel to it as well. 
> I did a 60 mile ride this past Saturday on it, very comfortable, fits very 
> well. You can check the year of your bike by looking at the serial number 
> stamped on the bottom bracket. Mine starts with M2, indicating 1982, so I 
> would think you bike would be M6.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:01:55 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hey Erik!
>>
>> Fun to see that old sequoia pop up on here, still got a soft spot in my 
>> heart for that bike! Good memories..
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:04:33 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>> Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one 
>>> of Richard Schwinn’s best pals.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone who read Grant's Blahg entry on the closing of Waterford will 
>>> know that Richard Schwinn has more best pals than just about anyone you can 
>>> name. I happen to be lucky enough to live near him and his true best pal, 
>>> his wife, Shoe. And I get to see them regularly at Milwaukee Symphony 
>>> Orchestra concerts.
>>>
>>> Regarding my Waterford  keep your eyes out for the next issue of 
>>> American Randonneur.
>>>
>>>  Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[JohnS]

Hello Erik,

Nice looking Sequoia! I agree, my '82 has a nice ride feel to it as well. I 
did a 60 mile ride this past Saturday on it, very comfortable, fits very 
well. You can check the year of your bike by looking at the serial number 
stamped on the bottom bracket. Mine starts with M2, indicating 1982, so I 
would think you bike would be M6.

JohnS

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:01:55 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Hey Erik!
>
> Fun to see that old sequoia pop up on here, still got a soft spot in my 
> heart for that bike! Good memories..
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:04:33 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one 
>> of Richard Schwinn’s best pals.
>>
>>
>> Anyone who read Grant's Blahg entry on the closing of Waterford will know 
>> that Richard Schwinn has more best pals than just about anyone you can 
>> name. I happen to be lucky enough to live near him and his true best pal, 
>> his wife, Shoe. And I get to see them regularly at Milwaukee Symphony 
>> Orchestra concerts.
>>
>> Regarding my Waterford  keep your eyes out for the next issue of 
>> American Randonneur.
>>
>>  Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[Stephen]

Hey Erik!

Fun to see that old sequoia pop up on here, still got a soft spot in my 
heart for that bike! Good memories..

Cheers,

Stephen

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:04:33 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
> Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one of 
> Richard Schwinn’s best pals.
>
>
> Anyone who read Grant's Blahg entry on the closing of Waterford will know 
> that Richard Schwinn has more best pals than just about anyone you can 
> name. I happen to be lucky enough to live near him and his true best pal, 
> his wife, Shoe. And I get to see them regularly at Milwaukee Symphony 
> Orchestra concerts.
>
> Regarding my Waterford  keep your eyes out for the next issue of 
> American Randonneur.
>
>  Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one of 
Richard Schwinn’s best pals.


Anyone who read Grant's Blahg entry on the closing of Waterford will know 
that Richard Schwinn has more best pals than just about anyone you can 
name. I happen to be lucky enough to live near him and his true best pal, 
his wife, Shoe. And I get to see them regularly at Milwaukee Symphony 
Orchestra concerts.

Regarding my Waterford  keep your eyes out for the next issue of 
American Randonneur.

 Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[JohnS]

Yep, Costner rode a red Allez in American Flyers, fun bike movie. I'll have 
to torture my family and watch it again some time. 

JohnS

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 7:58:34 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> My bad...screwed up the colors. Anyway, I do remember being impressed by 
> how thoughtfully these bikes were designed and equipped, and the fact that 
> your 82 Sequoia (and no doubt 83 Expedition) is still going strong is a 
> testament to that.
>
> Other fun fact...I think the team bike on *American Flyers *starring 
> Kevin Costner was a Specialized Allez ; red, I think
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:59:57 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> The early 80's Sequoia was the sport/touring model, in the middle between 
>> the road race Allez and the full on touring Expedition. Not sure what color 
>> options were available. I use to own an 83 Expedition in gray/anthracite. 
>> My 82 Sequoia is dark blue. It's not a feather weight, nor is it a tank, 
>> weigh in at just over 23 pounds with pedals and two water bottle cages. 
>> Fully lugged Tange chrome-moly tubing, with long thinned lugs, it has nice 
>> neutral handling, mounts for fenders and a rear rack and room for 32mm 
>> tires (maybe 35).
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I also suspect they varied tubing sets basis frame size ; something that 
>>> Bridgestones also did , if you read their ad copy
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride 
 and careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't 
 particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a 
 full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 
 3- 
 water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to 
 recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what 
 your friend toured on?

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar 
> with was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  
> It wA a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I 
> thought it was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom 
> bracket  shallow seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  
> My friend used his for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a 
> months-long, dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>>
>> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or 
>> thornproof tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find 
>> Sequoias 
>> to be sportingly light. 
>>
>> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, 
>> Turbo tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the 
>> prototype, 
>> which is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames 
>> are 
>> a joy to ride. 
>>
>> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a 
>> bit heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame 
>> building forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame 
>> tubes. 
>> If you look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker 
>> down 
>> tubes than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls 
>> are 
>> .1mm thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even 
>> Reynolds now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around 
>> the 
>> main triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat 
>> tube 
>> were always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems 
>> steel 
>> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
>> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for 
>> example, 
>> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that 
>> goes 
>> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as 
>> the 
>> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, 
>> there 
>> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis 
>> is 
>> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the 
>> frame 
>> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
>> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is 
>> the 
>> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down 
>> tubes 
>> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing 

[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[Ryan]

My bad...screwed up the colors. Anyway, I do remember being impressed by 
how thoughtfully these bikes were designed and equipped, and the fact that 
your 82 Sequoia (and no doubt 83 Expedition) is still going strong is a 
testament to that.

Other fun fact...I think the team bike on *American Flyers *starring Kevin 
Costner was a Specialized Allez ; red, I think

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:59:57 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> The early 80's Sequoia was the sport/touring model, in the middle between 
> the road race Allez and the full on touring Expedition. Not sure what color 
> options were available. I use to own an 83 Expedition in gray/anthracite. 
> My 82 Sequoia is dark blue. It's not a feather weight, nor is it a tank, 
> weigh in at just over 23 pounds with pedals and two water bottle cages. 
> Fully lugged Tange chrome-moly tubing, with long thinned lugs, it has nice 
> neutral handling, mounts for fenders and a rear rack and room for 32mm 
> tires (maybe 35).
>
> JohnS
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I also suspect they varied tubing sets basis frame size ; something that 
>> Bridgestones also did , if you read their ad copy
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride 
>>> and careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't 
>>> particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a 
>>> full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 3- 
>>> water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to 
>>> recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what 
>>> your friend toured on?
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar 
 with was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  
 It wA a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I 
 thought it was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom 
 bracket  shallow seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  
 My friend used his for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a 
 months-long, dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.

 On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>
> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or 
> thornproof tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias 
> to be sportingly light. 
>
> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, 
> Turbo tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the 
> prototype, 
> which is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames 
> are 
> a joy to ride. 
>
> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a 
> bit heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame 
> building forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame 
> tubes. 
> If you look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down 
> tubes than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls 
> are 
> .1mm thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even 
> Reynolds now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around 
> the 
> main triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat 
> tube 
> were always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that 
> goes 
> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as 
> the 
> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis 
> is 
> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the 
> frame 
> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is 
> the 
> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one 
> and 
> he loves it.
>
> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. 
> But 
> I loved the way it rode.
>
> Ted Durant

Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[John Dewey]

Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one of
Richard Schwinn’s best pals. I know this because I’m Richard’s 2nd ‘best
pal’ (浪). And he rides beautiful bicycles. He even persuaded Richard to
build him the most gorgeous WF with most elegant, low ‘French’ bend you
ever saw. And that took a lot of persuading I tell you. So when Ted
Talks…we need to listen.

Jock

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:31 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>
> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof
> tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be
> sportingly light.
>
> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo
> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which
> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy
> to ride.
>
> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit
> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building
> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you
> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes
> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm
> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds
> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main
> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were
> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel
> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any
> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example,
> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes
> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the
> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there
> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is
> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame
> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the
> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the
> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes
> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the
> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and
> he loves it.
>
> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia
> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But
> I loved the way it rode.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>
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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[JohnS]

The early 80's Sequoia was the sport/touring model, in the middle between 
the road race Allez and the full on touring Expedition. Not sure what color 
options were available. I use to own an 83 Expedition in gray/anthracite. 
My 82 Sequoia is dark blue. It's not a feather weight, nor is it a tank, 
weigh in at just over 23 pounds with pedals and two water bottle cages. 
Fully lugged Tange chrome-moly tubing, with long thinned lugs, it has nice 
neutral handling, mounts for fenders and a rear rack and room for 32mm 
tires (maybe 35).

JohnS

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> I also suspect they varied tubing sets basis frame size ; something that 
> Bridgestones also did , if you read their ad copy
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride 
>> and careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't 
>> particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a 
>> full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 3- 
>> water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to 
>> recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what 
>> your friend toured on?
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar 
>>> with was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  
>>> It wA a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I 
>>> thought it was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom 
>>> bracket  shallow seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  
>>> My friend used his for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a 
>>> months-long, dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:

 Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or 
 thornproof tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias 
 to be sportingly light. 

 No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, 
 Turbo tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the 
 prototype, 
 which is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames 
 are 
 a joy to ride. 

 Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a 
 bit heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame 
 building forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. 
 If you look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down 
 tubes than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls 
 are 
 .1mm thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even 
 Reynolds now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the 
 main triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat 
 tube 
 were always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
 builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
 discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
 Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that 
 goes 
 the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
 down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
 is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
 that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
 feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
 "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is 
 the 
 "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
 and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
 effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one 
 and 
 he loves it.

 Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
 frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But 
 I loved the way it rode.

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[Ryan]

I also suspect they varied tubing sets basis frame size ; something that 
Bridgestones also did , if you read their ad copy

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:04:43 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride 
> and careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't 
> particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a 
> full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 3- 
> water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to 
> recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what 
> your friend toured on?
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar 
>> with was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  
>> It wA a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I 
>> thought it was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom 
>> bracket  shallow seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  
>> My friend used his for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a 
>> months-long, dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>>>
>>> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or 
>>> thornproof tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias 
>>> to be sportingly light. 
>>>
>>> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo 
>>> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which 
>>> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy 
>>> to ride. 
>>>
>>> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit 
>>> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building 
>>> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you 
>>> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes 
>>> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm 
>>> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds 
>>> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main 
>>> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were 
>>> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
>>> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
>>> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
>>> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes 
>>> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
>>> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
>>> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
>>> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
>>> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
>>> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the 
>>> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
>>> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
>>> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and 
>>> he loves it.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
>>> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But 
>>> I loved the way it rode.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[Ryan]

I remember *Bicycle Guide* praising those Sequoias for their fine ride and 
careful craftsmanship, but they pointed out that the bikes weren't 
particularly light. Sport-touring? I also remember Specialized having a 
full-bore touring bike with all required the braze-ons for fenders/racks 3- 
water bottle braze-ons called the Expedition, appropriately and I seem to 
recall in *Bicycling *ads that these were dark blue. Maybe that's what your 
friend toured on?

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar with 
> was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  It wA 
> a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I thought it 
> was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom bracket  shallow 
> seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  My friend used his 
> for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a months-long, 
> dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>>
>> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof 
>> tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be 
>> sportingly light. 
>>
>> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo 
>> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which 
>> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy 
>> to ride. 
>>
>> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit 
>> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building 
>> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you 
>> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes 
>> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm 
>> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds 
>> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main 
>> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were 
>> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
>> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
>> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
>> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes 
>> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
>> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
>> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
>> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
>> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
>> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the 
>> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
>> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
>> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and 
>> he loves it.
>>
>> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
>> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But 
>> I loved the way it rode.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[iamkeith]

Were there different versions of the Sequoia?  The one I was familiar with 
was a dark metalic grey one, but I think it came in dark blue, too.  It wA 
a fantastic bike, built by Toyo if I remember correctly. But I thought it 
was a full-on touring bike, with heavy tubing, low bottom bracket  shallow 
seat tub angle - compared to sportier bikes of the era.  My friend used his 
for numerous, long, heavily-loaded tours, including a months-long, 
dirt-road (mud) trek from Montana to Alaska and back.

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:13 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>
> Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof 
> tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be 
> sportingly light. 
>
> No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo 
> tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which 
> is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy 
> to ride. 
>
> Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit 
> heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building 
> forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you 
> look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes 
> than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm 
> thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds 
> now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main 
> triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were 
> always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
> builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
> discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
> Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes 
> the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
> down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
> is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
> that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
> feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
> "magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the 
> "Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
> and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
> effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and 
> he loves it.
>
> Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia 
> frame to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But 
> I loved the way it rode.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:41 AM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:

Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof 
tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be 
sportingly light. 

No, it was the stock parts that came with it. Fairly light wheels, Turbo 
tires. I would make the same statement about Heron #1, the prototype, which 
is a Road frame built with Touring stays at the rear. Both frames are a joy 
to ride. 

Interestingly, I read somewhere that the Sequoia was designed with a bit 
heavier down tube and chain stays. Recently I posted on a frame building 
forum a query about the ratio of stiffness among the frame tubes. If you 
look at older Reynolds tube set specs, they have .1mm thicker down tubes 
than top and seat. Or, if you like, their top and seat tube walls are .1mm 
thinner than the down tube. All other tube manufacturers, and even Reynolds 
now today, specify tube sets with equal wall thickness around the main 
triangle. It's also important to note that the down tube and seat tube were 
always 1/8" larger diameter than the top tube. Lately it seems steel 
builders have been experimenting away from that, but I haven't seen any 
discussion of why they would do that. For my Rivendell Road, for example, 
Grant spec'd the exact same tube for both top and down tubes. So, that goes 
the other direction, making the top tube exactly the same stiffness as the 
down tube. BUT, because the top tube is shorter than the down tube, there 
is less butted section remaining in the top tube. Anyway, my hypothesis is 
that the relative stiffness among the tubes has an effect on how the frame 
feels, and the a stiffer down tube and chain stays is what produced the 
"magic" feel of a Reynolds frame. Perhaps backing up this hypothesis is the 
"Spine" line of frames that Trek built, with steel or titanium down tubes 
and chain stays, and carbon tubes elsewhere. Their marketing touted the 
effect that had on the feel of the frame. A friend has the titanium one and 
he loves it.

Sorry for the meandering detour. I just found the Specialized Sequoia frame 
to feel heavy when lifting, compared to some other steel frames. But I 
loved the way it rode.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

['Peter Bridge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Did your noticeably heavy Sequoia perhaps have heavy wheels or thornproof 
tubes or a spring Brooks saddle or some such?  I find Sequoias to be 
sportingly light. 

~pb 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> There have been a couple of mentions of early 80's Sequoias in the Roadini 
> thread. I had one that replaced my crashed Fuji America. I believe Bike 
> Nashbar was blowing them out. It was a noticeably heavy bike, but 
> absolutely wonderful to ride and very pretty. Alas, it was stolen out of my 
> West Philadelphia apartment. If anyone has or sees on available in my size 
> (I think 54 or 56?), please let me know! I'll send a RONA t-shirt as a 
> finder's fee :-)
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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