[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[RonaTD]

Somebody needs to buy this bike!  For those who are wondering about fit, 
here's what we published on the original Heron web site.

Sizing By Saddle Height
Saddle HeightHeron RoadHeron Touring
*66* 52 *won't fit*
*67* 52 53
*68* 52/54 53
*69* 54 53/55
*70* 54 54
*71* 54/56 55
*72* 56 55/57
*73* 56 57
*74* 56/58 57
*75* 58 57/59
*76* 58 59
*77* 58/60 59
*78* 60 59/61
*79* 60 61
*80* 60/62 61
*81* 62 61/63
*82* 62 63
*83* 62 63
*84* *won't fit* 63

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[MartyG]

>
> Given the conversation and emails on this, I wanted to confirm how big a 
> tire would fit this frame, and turns out 700X40s will fit quite easily. 
> Plenty of head room at the fork and rear brake bridge. The tightest spot is 
> at the chainstays, but still there is room. These tires are Schwalbe 
> Marathon XR 40. The look of this bike with these tires is just about 
> unbeatable IMHO. Oh, and it's still for sale...albeit with the 35s in the 
> first group of photos. 
>

More pics of the clearances in the Flickr album here:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157661387558919 







 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

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http://web.archive.org/web/20090510044006/http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[Joe Bernard]

Somebody really needs to buy this bike..it's a great frame with cool late-'90s 
Riv Catalogue parts. I had a Heron Road which turned out to be a smidge too big 
for me (54cm), but it had a magical ride, almost like there was a little 
electric motor hidden somewhere in those 531 tubes. And the blue-ish green 
color is amazing in the sun. Buy it now, operators are standing by!

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[William deRosset]

Hi, all,

A side note, and unfortunately a fair amount of thread drift, but after a 
decade of tinkering around with my bike fit and a pile of different bikes, 
I had my René Herse built back in 2008/9. Mike Kone started with a blank 
sheet of paper, and he and I worked from various directions (historical; 
personal history and experience; uses for the bike; aesthetics) to find the 
very best solution for me (and this work eventually influenced some of his 
commercial machines, though those are very much his bikes). Its fit 
parameters turned out identical to... the 56 Heron Road (the front end is a 
little different to accommodate a dedicated front loading geometry) or the 
55 Heron Touring...  I have a 55 Heron Touring (on permanent loan to my 
brother), and it fit beautifully with a long-ish stem. These really are 
undersung, special machines, and they get a lot just right. 

If I hadn't gotten bit fairly hard by the rando-bug and found integrated 
bikes particularly convivial for that purpose, I'd probably have hunted 
down a Heron Road (in Silver, so that I could differentiate between my 
machines), and called off the search for marginal improvements. I ended up 
with a few machines that fit my use-cases better than the Herons did (and I 
turn out to really love a lighter tube spec than they offer), but that 
doesn't take away their versatility, durability, and excellent low-key road 
manners. They're great bikes, and only one of my machines wins out over 
these "blue collar" machines aesthetically.

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO


On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 11:26:30 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[Lungimsam]

If Marty is  willing, I'd love to take it for a quick spin. Interested to see 
how it rides. I think he's in the DC area and so am I (Ellicott City).

Like I say I'm not in the market right now. I mean if it's mind blowing, I 
might be able to work something out.

But just riding it would be very informative. PM me Marty if you have the time.

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[Lungimsam]

Oops... Just realized it's a 55 and I would need a 54.

56.5 TT is too long for me. Not even a 6cm stem would fix it for me.

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[Chad]

I sent you a private message.  Beautiful bike!

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[MartyG]

Will have to confirm the SOH later in the week as I'm remote from the bike 
shed at the moment, but the following spec sheet listed 31-3/4" along with 
all the other relevant dimensions. Now that I re-read this myself, 38s plus 
fenders may be tight, but 35s + are no issue. I tested SKSs with the 
current tires (35s) and there was plenty of wiggle room. Don't be shy 
making a reasonable offer - these don't come along very often. 

 http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/rivendell.pdf


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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[Dave Johnston]

I had a later version Todd Kuzma Heron and true 38mm tires wouldn't really 
fit comfortably.  Part of the confusion on those early Riv's were that most 
all the tire manufactures and in particular the Panaracer Pasela were over 
rating their tire width, so a Pasela 35mm was more like 31mm and a 38mm was 
more like 35mm. The early Riv's were based on the size Pasela that would 
fit, not actual tire widths. Later Riv started posting pictures of digital 
calipers with real tire widths and Panaracer relabeled their tires. 

-Dave

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 5:12:50 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> Will have to confirm the SOH later in the week as I'm remote from the bike 
> shed at the moment, but the following spec sheet listed 31-3/4" along with 
> all the other relevant dimensions. Now that I re-read this myself, 38s plus 
> fenders may be tight, but 35s + are no issue. I tested SKSs with the 
> current tires (35s) and there was plenty of wiggle room. Don't be shy 
> making a reasonable offer - these don't come along very often. 
>
>  http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/rivendell.pdf
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[William deRosset]

Dear Lungimsam,

This has been discussed on this list, and over at the BOB list in some 
detail, and a review of the archives may be instructive. 

The original Heron designs were done with Grant Petersen and Ted Durant 
(who financed/owned Heron), and launched in 1997. There were two: the Road 
and the Touring. They were both versatile and (in my opinion) lovely 
machines. If you like the ride of the Rambouillet or other medium-wall O/S 
bikes, you'll like the early Road and Touring bikes. 

They reflected Grant's preferences of the time for stock parts and 
horizontal dropouts.

The Road was built for short-reach brakes, with maximized brake clearance, 
medium-gauge O/S tubing, slightly slacker-than-typical seat angle and 
slightly longer-than-typical top tube to yield neutral road-going geometry. 
It is an extra-stiff road-racing bike, and included enough room to stuff 
fenders and 27's under the arches. They rode well, and rewarded big-power 
riders.

The Touring was built with slacker angles, medium-gauge O/S tubing, longer 
chainstays, and was designed around cantilever brakes. It fit a 35+fenders. 
It is a traditional loaded-touring bike, and I really enjoyed mine.

Later, after Todd Kuzma bought the rights to the designs and the name, the 
model names were redone, I believe he went to vertical dropouts and 
different CrMo tubes, and an additional model added--it was essentially a 
Heron Touring with vertical dropouts, but it came as a kit for a 
semi-integrated bike. Jan Heine reviewed it early on in his Vintage Bicycle 
Quarterly, and the medium-wall O/S tubing didn't agree with him. If it had 
the Touring geometry, then it probably didn't behave that well with a light 
front-only load, either.

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO


On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 8:16:31 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Was there just one design of Heron , or two? I think I read something in 
> BQ like Jan Heine helped develop the first one with Rando geo and the there 
> was a later, different geo produced. Not clear on this.

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[Lungimsam]

Was there just one design of Heron , or two? I think I read something in BQ 
like Jan Heine helped develop the first one with Rando geo and the there was a 
later, different geo produced. Not clear on this.

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Marty,

How long are the cranks, and what is the rear spacing?

Thanks, 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 11:01:38 AM UTC-8, MartyG wrote:

> Designed and offered by Rivendell in the late 90s. A really gorgeous bike 
> that is too small for me, and too tall for my wife. I purchased this 
> recently from the family of the original owner. Reynolds 531 frameset. No 
> dents or damage, very few scuffs. No rust of any kind. Paint and graphics 
> are impressively well preserved - beautiful in the full sun today! Eclectic 
> high-end parts mix includes TA Zephyr triple fitted to a Campagnolo BB, 
> Phil/XTR hubs laced to CR-18 36 hole rims. American Classic seatpost in 
> 27.2. Avocet touring saddle. Tange roller bearing headset, Nitto rando bars 
> and stem. Shimano brakes. Sachs rear derailer, Suntour up front. All new 
> cables and housing. Silver downtube shifters are funtional, but may need 
> work. You may prefer bar-ends anyway. Tires (Panaracer Pasella) hold air 
> but should be replaced. WIll fit 38s and fenders. Really wish it was my 
> size. Asking $1,250.00. 
>
> See the pics in the Flickr set below, and feel free to ask questions. Can 
> arrange free pick-up or delivery in the Baltimore/Washington area, 
> otherwise I will split shipping 50/50 to the US lower 48 only. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157661387558919
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Marty
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[MartyG]

Joe - the cranks are 170, rear spacing is 130ish and the dropouts are 
horizontal. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: HERON Touring 55cm complete build

[mikel66...@juno.com]

my Heron Road can fit a 30mm tire thats about it-I run a roly poly with a 
little room to spare



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