Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters
Thanks for the tips!I will check that it’s straight. The cage is rather narrow and perhaps later on I’ll look for a 9-10sp one and if it’s wider, a little less rub. I probably won’t make any other adjustments because it’s only a minor inconvenience. On today’s ride it only happened a handful of times and I just nudged it. The imperfections are what make the whole experience interesting ;-)JasonOn Jun 26, 2024, at 11:40 AM, Joe Bernard wrote:I've never experienced a FD where I never had to trim, even with indexed front shifting. After a while you'll get to know when you're about to have chain rub and will start moving the fd a smidge before you up- or down-shift the rear. Joe Bernard On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 6:15:52 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:I've been riding my Roadini since February and it has been great, although the FD seems less than ideal. When I'm in the big ring, it works quietly on only the few smallest sprockets. When I'm the small ring, works quietly on the 4-5 largest sprockets. I'm often making minor adjustments to the front DT shifter to line it up so there is no chain rub / noise. I've gotten used to this and it's not really a big deal, but I was thinking there may be something I can do to improve things, and figured this group knows friction! The shop who built the bike is great, and everything was well done from what I can tell, so my guess is the FD is set up as good as possible, and maybe only a very minor tweak is required. Perhaps it's just the specific parts and how they work together (i.e., not a perfect system). Before I try and make any adjustments myself I thought I would ask about others' experience with friction shifting, front derailleurs, or perhaps this specific from derailleur. My success rate at fixing drivetrain issues in the past is moderate...though it's not intuitive for me, and I have to watch youtube videos to learn before doing anything.Other bikes I have/had are index, usually 105/Ultegra/GRX, and the front derailleur wasn't noticeable, it just worked, quietly.The down tube shifters are Dia-Compe ENE Ciclo 11sp, front derailleur is GRX 810.Thanks in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/FxNTAG3jing/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d06a863e-a470-49db-849c-5125d516f9cdn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/DF8F1AAD-1CA9-4B7A-9A79-F2F3B0973DAA%40gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters
I've never experienced a FD where I never had to trim, even with indexed front shifting. After a while you'll get to know when you're about to have chain rub and will start moving the fd a smidge before you up- or down-shift the rear. Joe Bernard On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 6:15:52 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote: > I've been riding my Roadini since February and it has been great, although > the FD seems less than ideal. When I'm in the big ring, it works quietly > on only the few smallest sprockets. When I'm the small ring, works quietly > on the 4-5 largest sprockets. I'm often making minor adjustments to the > front DT shifter to line it up so there is no chain rub / noise. I've > gotten used to this and it's not really a big deal, but I was thinking > there may be something I can do to improve things, and figured this group > knows friction! > > The shop who built the bike is great, and everything was well done from > what I can tell, so my guess is the FD is set up as good as possible, and > maybe only a very minor tweak is required. Perhaps it's just the specific > parts and how they work together (i.e., not a perfect system). > > Before I try and make any adjustments myself I thought I would ask about > others' experience with friction shifting, front derailleurs, or perhaps > this specific from derailleur. My success rate at fixing drivetrain issues > in the past is moderate...though it's not intuitive for me, and I have to > watch youtube videos to learn before doing anything. > > Other bikes I have/had are index, usually 105/Ultegra/GRX, and the front > derailleur wasn't noticeable, it just worked, quietly. > > The down tube shifters are Dia-Compe ENE Ciclo 11sp, front derailleur is > GRX 810. > > Thanks in advance! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d06a863e-a470-49db-849c-5125d516f9cdn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters
I agree, it seems likely that your FD is rotated just a wee bit. I'm not familiar with "indexing" FDs, like your GRX 810, but I would expect them to be wider than older friction only FDs, just to accommodate the fact that indexing front shifters can't trim. Either I'm the best home mechanic, or I got really lucky, in that when I set up my new-to-me c. 1990 Campy Croce d'Aune FD for 2x11 friction, I got it in just the right spot no not rub on the chain through the entire 11 speed range with the "big" ring (middle position of a 26-42-guard triple). I was fully expecting to have to trim as I ran the cassette. With my bar-end shifters and 9-speed, I would occasionally have to trim the FD as I used more of the cassette, but I shifted the FD a lot more with a triple than with my "one-by with bailout" setup. Anyway, if you want to embrace full friction, a simpler, older FD may do the trick. A quick search on eBay for "Shimano 600 front derailleur" got quite a few for under $20. Ultregra was one time "600" then "600 Ultregra" so that's an easy search for older Ultegra-level equipment. Dura Ace has been Dura Ace for a very long time, but an older 8-speed or 9-speed era DA FD would be nice too, but for more money. I went with a Campy FD to go with my Mavic DT shifter so I could maximize the number of different brands in my drivetrain just to be a contrarian. Drew On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 6:15:52 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote: > I've been riding my Roadini since February and it has been great, although > the FD seems less than ideal. When I'm in the big ring, it works quietly > on only the few smallest sprockets. When I'm the small ring, works quietly > on the 4-5 largest sprockets. I'm often making minor adjustments to the > front DT shifter to line it up so there is no chain rub / noise. I've > gotten used to this and it's not really a big deal, but I was thinking > there may be something I can do to improve things, and figured this group > knows friction! > > The shop who built the bike is great, and everything was well done from > what I can tell, so my guess is the FD is set up as good as possible, and > maybe only a very minor tweak is required. Perhaps it's just the specific > parts and how they work together (i.e., not a perfect system). > > Before I try and make any adjustments myself I thought I would ask about > others' experience with friction shifting, front derailleurs, or perhaps > this specific from derailleur. My success rate at fixing drivetrain issues > in the past is moderate...though it's not intuitive for me, and I have to > watch youtube videos to learn before doing anything. > > Other bikes I have/had are index, usually 105/Ultegra/GRX, and the front > derailleur wasn't noticeable, it just worked, quietly. > > The down tube shifters are Dia-Compe ENE Ciclo 11sp, front derailleur is > GRX 810. > > Thanks in advance! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/60f603e1-955e-4d3f-9602-e065ae585c7fn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters
“…often making minor adjustments…” kind of goes along with friction shifting, but if it seems excessive, check that the front derailleur cage is absolutely parallel to the big chain ring. It only takes one chain jam to knock it askew. Also that the outer stop of the front derailleur is adjusted as “in” as possible (towards the bike center) to *just* get a shift up to the big chain ring. If nothing else works you can try using a 9-speed front derailleur. It should have a slightly wider cage, giving you more rear gears before it starts to rub. The downside is a little more shifter motion before you start to move the chain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2119be01-0826-43c3-b68f-14498c0f40adn%40googlegroups.com.
