[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

Just thinking of the squat Testors bottles makes me happy. Drug stores used 
to carry a wide array of colors in the 70s, and I'd look at all the colors 
before buying a Charleston Chew for my walk home from school. Back when 
kids walked home from school. I may get an Atlantis color bottle as a 
talisman, even though I don't have the bike. The 2004 Quickbeam green is an 
exact match for Plasti-kote "shamrock green" though. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, Ca

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:21:39 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Yes, indeed!
>
> I KNOW because I worked for TESTORS for nearly a quarter-century and also 
> with GRANT over a period of months to get him dozens of paint samples and 
> many sets of paint chips. (He will remember those early morning FED EX 
> deliveries I'm quite sure.) In the early 2000s, his intention was to have 
> all RIV frames painted to match TESTORS for the great convenience, 
> but...alas...that morphed over time as often things do in this life.
>
> ATLANTIS, however, was the first of the experiments and so is exactly 
> TESTORS 2135. That's the story and I'm sticking to it!
>
> So have a go and you'll be spot on. You and all the hundreds of happy / 
> lucky ATLANTIS riders. 
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA (RAM rider myself)
>
> PS: TESTORS can be found in all good hobby shop, MICHAELS craft stores, 
> HOBBY LOBBY.)
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>>
>> The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but 
>> it had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
>> great now.
>>
>> The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
>> not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
>> two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
>> little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
>> personal use.
>>
>> I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone 
>> have some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the 
>> slushy and salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[john Bokman]

John, I’ll be most interested in hearing how the Paul Touring Cantis work for 
you. I myself have thought of getting the Paul Neo Retros, Touring, or Linear 
Pull Motolites in the past. I would definitely consider them on a new build. 
Please post your observations when you set them.
> On Jan 8, 2018, at 4:48 PM, John G.  wrote:
> 
> Jock: good info! Thanks for sharing! This needs to enter Official Atlantis 
> Lore.
> 
> John: I've put two separate brake pads on my CX-70s, the stock ones and 
> Kool-Stops. Both squealed a ton. I even had them adjusted at a shop once or 
> twice, and that never seemed to work. I've had a decent number of cantis over 
> the years: Dia-Comp 960s, cheapy Tektros, IRD Cafams. The CX-70s are far and 
> away the squealiest I've ever owned. Plus, as Patrick sagely states, you need 
> at the very least 6 hands to adjust them. Double plus, I have to deflate my 
> Compass 44mms every time I take the wheel off. Now, I must also admit that I 
> could probably win a Nationwide competition on Worst Canti Adjuster.
> 
> I may see if I can use them to convert my Voyageur to 700c from 27 inches, 
> but if that doesn't work, I'll send them off to anyone who wants 'em for say 
> 25 bucks.
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
> John  I'm curious about your squealing CX-70 brakes. I use them on my Sam and 
> have found them to be quiet, and the best functioning cantilevers I've ever 
> used. Could it be your brake pads, or toe in perhaps? Having said this, I use 
> Paul center pulls on another bike, and they are also fantastic. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:56:15 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:-
> Thanks, all! Mark, I’ll be using your short term solution while the Waterford 
> touch-up is en route. 
> 
> It’s such a relief to have the Atlantis back. Some time apart just reinforced 
> how much I love that bike, squealing lousy cx-70 cantis and all.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John G.]

Jock: good info! Thanks for sharing! This needs to enter Official Atlantis 
Lore.

John: I've put two separate brake pads on my CX-70s, the stock ones and 
Kool-Stops. Both squealed a ton. I even had them adjusted at a shop once or 
twice, and that never seemed to work. I've had a decent number of cantis 
over the years: Dia-Comp 960s, cheapy Tektros, IRD Cafams. The CX-70s are 
far and away the squealiest I've ever owned. Plus, as Patrick sagely 
states, you need at the very least 6 hands to adjust them. Double plus, I 
have to deflate my Compass 44mms every time I take the wheel off. Now, I 
must also admit that I could probably win a Nationwide competition on Worst 
Canti Adjuster.

I may see if I can use them to convert my Voyageur to 700c from 27 inches, 
but if that doesn't work, I'll send them off to anyone who wants 'em for 
say 25 bucks.



On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> John  I'm curious about your squealing CX-70 brakes. I use them on my Sam 
> and have found them to be quiet, and the best functioning cantilevers I've 
> ever used. Could it be your brake pads, or toe in perhaps? Having said 
> this, I use Paul center pulls on another bike, and they are also fantastic. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:56:15 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:-
>>
>> Thanks, all! Mark, I’ll be using your short term solution while the 
>> Waterford touch-up is en route. 
>>
>> It’s such a relief to have the Atlantis back. Some time apart just 
>> reinforced how much I love that bike, squealing lousy cx-70 cantis and all.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John Bokman]

John  I'm curious about your squealing CX-70 brakes. I use them on my Sam 
and have found them to be quiet, and the best functioning cantilevers I've 
ever used. Could it be your brake pads, or toe in perhaps? Having said 
this, I use Paul center pulls on another bike, and they are also fantastic. 



On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:56:15 PM UTC-8, John G. wrote:-
>
> Thanks, all! Mark, I’ll be using your short term solution while the 
> Waterford touch-up is en route. 
>
> It’s such a relief to have the Atlantis back. Some time apart just 
> reinforced how much I love that bike, squealing lousy cx-70 cantis and all.

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, Y'all:

Yes, indeed!

I KNOW because I worked for TESTORS for nearly a quarter-century and also 
with GRANT over a period of months to get him dozens of paint samples and 
many sets of paint chips. (He will remember those early morning FED EX 
deliveries I'm quite sure.) In the early 2000s, his intention was to have 
all RIV frames painted to match TESTORS for the great convenience, 
but...alas...that morphed over time as often things do in this life.

ATLANTIS, however, was the first of the experiments and so is exactly 
TESTORS 2135. That's the story and I'm sticking to it!

So have a go and you'll be spot on. You and all the hundreds of happy / 
lucky ATLANTIS riders. 

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA (RAM rider myself)

PS: TESTORS can be found in all good hobby shop, MICHAELS craft stores, 
HOBBY LOBBY.)

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but 
> it had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
> great now.
>
> The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
> not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
> two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
> little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
> personal use.
>
> I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone have 
> some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the slushy and 
> salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Chris, if it needs repainting, it will be panted to match it’s name, Shadowfax. 
From Lord of the Rings: “By day his coat glistens like silver; and by night it 
is like a shade, and he passes unseen.”

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Are you having repainted in the same color scheme? 


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 4:45:04 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Let us know how you like them, John! Me Hunq is just fine. It’s in to swap 
> the dropouts to long horizontal dropouts for fixed riding. So, Mark 
> Nobilette has it now, is designing the dropouts, *then likely to the 
> painters for a fresh coat.* Hoping for spring. I didn’t think I’d miss it 
> much with the Quickbeam outfitted for winter riding, but ‘ve been tempted 
> with all this dry weather to do a few bikepacking trips ... until I 
> remember I don’t have the Hunq. Sardonic grin. The way I figure it, the 
> surest way to get snow is to go bikepacking. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Lum, the Moon Unit can be adjusted with two hands easily (vs. the six hands 
required with the rest). The vertical cable goes into a dimple at the bolt, the 
body is treaded for the bolt, so no separate nut, and the bolt is allen, and no 
second micro bolt that leaves you scratching your head wondering what you’re 
supposed to do with it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Let us know how you like them, John! Me Hunq is just fine. It’s in to swap the 
dropouts to long horizontal dropouts for fixed riding. So, Mark Nobilette has 
it now, is designing the dropouts, then likely to the painters for a fresh 
coat. Hoping for spring. I didn’t think I’d miss it much with the Quickbeam 
outfitted for winter riding, but ‘ve been tempted with all this dry weather to 
do a few bikepacking trips ... until I remember I don’t have the Hunq. Sardonic 
grin. The way I figure it, the surest way to get snow is to go bikepacking. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[lum gim fong]

What makes it better than other carriers?

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John G.]

Patrick! Jeffrey! I ordered a set of Paul Touring Cantis and Moon Unit hangers. 
I will report back as soon as I have them set up. Thanks for the tip on the 
Moon Units—I probably would’ve missed them otherwise.

Patrick: did I miss a post about your Hunq? I do hope it’s okay.

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[jeffrey kane]

Oh (+) 1 on the Paul Moon Units ... it's one of those rare parts you'll 
kick yourself for not having purchased *YEARS* ago after grousing over the 
40 bucks ... as if.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Congrats, John! When I talked with Mark Nobilette he mentioned that 
> checking the alignment may cause paint to flake off, both because of where 
> he had to clamp it and if he needed to shift anything, preparing me for the 
> likely need of a full repaint. A few thoughts: 
>
> — I shifted to Paul canti’s and love them. Well worth it. Don’t forget the 
> moon thingy/hanger. It’s brilliant, simple and makes set-up and adjustment 
> a breeze. Paul designed the simple, humble hanger the way I groused it 
> should be as I tried to adjust them for too many years. They seem pricy ... 
> until they don’t. Grin. 
> — I miss my Hunqapillar. Even though I’ve shifted to riding my Quickbeam 
> for unloaded rides (most of them) and the Hunqapillar for loaded (errands 
> and bikepacking), There is something about riding a mammoth that’s 
> different than riding a fast, sentient treebeastie. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Nick Payne]

I use nail polish - it comes in a myriad of colours. I've touched up paint 
chips on frames with nail polish and it's still protecting the frame more 
than a decade later.

Here's one manufacturer's range - just Google images for "nail polish 
colors" to find many more:



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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Congrats, John! When I talked with Mark Nobilette he mentioned that checking 
the alignment may cause paint to flake off, both because of where he had to 
clamp it and if he needed to shift anything, preparing me for the likely need 
of a full repaint. A few thoughts:

— I shifted to Paul canti’s and love them. Well worth it. Don’t forget the moon 
thingy/hanger. It’s brilliant, simple and makes set-up and adjustment a breeze. 
Paul designed the simple, humble hanger the way I groused it should be as I 
tried to adjust them for too many years. They seem pricy ... until they don’t. 
Grin.
— I miss my Hunqapillar. Even though I’ve shifted to riding my Quickbeam for 
unloaded rides (most of them) and the Hunqapillar for loaded (errands and 
bikepacking), There is something about riding a mammoth that’s different than 
riding a fast, sentient treebeastie. Grin. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[John G.]

Thanks, all! Mark, I’ll be using your short term solution while the Waterford 
touch-up is en route.

It’s such a relief to have the Atlantis back. Some time apart just reinforced 
how much I love that bike, squealing lousy cx-70 cantis and all.

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm glad you have your bike back.

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For the meantime, if that means not much time, you can put on some wax. Or 
clear nail polish, but you'll want to steel wool that down a bit before 
final touch up if it's glossy. Even if you match the color, the other issue 
is depth--put some primer and or a few coats of the touch up so that it 
comes out level. The other issue with factory touch up, as opposed to 
mixing your own or getting the auto paint custom mixed is that uv rays will 
likely have changed the color enough to notice the newer paint in contrast. 
I don't usually touch up my bikes, but have done lots of other metal and 
wood touch up. And I am about to embark on bike touch up myself. Good luck!

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:
>
> The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but 
> it had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
> great now.
>
> The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
> not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
> two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
> little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
> personal use.
>
> I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone have 
> some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the slushy and 
> salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[Julian Westerhout]

For touch ups Testors #2135 model paint (supposedly the color of interior 
of Soviet submarines) is a ery good match for the Atlantis green. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 



On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 10:53:06 AM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> The good news: I got my Atlantis back! I won't get into the details, but 
> it had to go to two different framebuilders to get realigned. It's riding 
> great now.
>
> The bad news: it came back with a dozen or so new chips in the paint. I'm 
> not interested in pointing fingers: the frame went between the shop and the 
> two framebuilders, and it could've happened anywhere (or everywhere). I'm a 
> little bummed--I'd like all beausage on the frame to come from my own 
> personal use.
>
> I'll probably get some touch up paint from Waterford, but does anyone have 
> some Family Secret rust prevention tips in the meantime? I'm the slushy and 
> salty NYC area, and I STILL haven't put fenders on the bike. 
>

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