[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference
I would assume that it's because of the fillet-brazed 2nd top tube. Same with the MIT Atlantis. That probably adds more than $100 actual cost but, since it's only on the larger frames, it is ammortized over the full range of sizes so that there isn't a "penalty" for taller riders. (But don't get hung up on the idea that you're paying for something you're not getting if you'd need a smaller frame, because it's also true that they don't penalize short riders for the cost of stocking slower-moving inventory.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference
Not only cost of materials but cost of time may be associated. The Hilsen are relatively the same frame as it was a few years ago, just canti provisions. However, the MIT Homer's have not been around. So there must've been a lot of time associated with Riv designing in the new geometry, then the time it cost them to go back and forth with the factory to get it set the way they like it. On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 12:18:49 PM UTC-5, tc wrote: > > I’m asking because I’m curious, as I said. I thought the web site had a > misprint. Then I checked the printed catalog and saw the $100 difference. > The Sam is supposedly stouter per Riv’s description, and also has canti > posts, so more cost assumed there. So, looking at lugs, I didn’t see a > vast difference. The Homer has the ball and socket seat stay/lug treatment, > which I also understood to be cheaper to manufacture. So that left me > thinking the tubing on Homer may be more costly. And, as you say, maybe > $100 a pop helps offset the setup costs. > > Tom > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference
I imagine it has a lot to do with future proofing their prices. Every time they raise prices people grumble and Grant apologizes. If you start pricing things a little higher from the get go you can wait a bit longer to raise prices, maybe even get some more cash flow and be able to float a little more gently in the ups and downs of the boutique not-bespoke-but-not-mass-market bike world. Relatedly I sometimes worry about the bike industry going the way of the clothes industry. Currently the middle of the clothes market is tanking. “High end mall stores” like J Crew represented the middle tier market and are going extinct. As fast fashion comes in and pumps poorly made garments at rock bottom prices they eat away at lots of sales at the mid-tier range. I wonder what a similar stratification of the bike market looks like and where Riv fits in. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference
It could be paint if they're duplicating the color Waterford used. In researching touch-up for my Hunqapillar with them this week, I discovered the Hilsen color is a pretty fancy mix. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference
I wasn't unclear on your curiosity. I was unclear on precisely which question you were asking. Now I think I understand that your two questions: "anyone know why new MIT Homer frames cost $100 more than new MIT Sam frames? Tubing?" Could be rewritten to read: "I assume that the Hilsen costs about $100 more to make than the Hillborne. Why does the Hilsen cost about $100 to produce? Is it because the tubing in the Hilsen is ~$100 more expensive than the tubing used in the Hillborne?" Assuming those were the questions you were getting at, then those were the questions I attempted to touch on. As far as I know, the tubing in both bikes are similar in price. I do not think we can attribute the price difference to tubing. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 9:18:49 AM UTC-8, tc wrote: > > I’m asking because I’m curious, as I said. I thought the web site had a > misprint. Then I checked the printed catalog and saw the $100 difference. > The Sam is supposedly stouter per Riv’s description, and also has canti > posts, so more cost assumed there. So, looking at lugs, I didn’t see a > vast difference. The Homer has the ball and socket seat stay/lug treatment, > which I also understood to be cheaper to manufacture. So that left me > thinking the tubing on Homer may be more costly. And, as you say, maybe > $100 a pop helps offset the setup costs. > > Tom > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference
I'll add that time and an associated increased cost could be major factors. From the perspective of "older" to "newer", there is the Appaloosa ($1300) to the Hillborne ($1400) to the latest Hilsen ($1500). I know the Cheviot could be considered an outlier in that logic, and in several ways, but it does seem to me that the prices are increasing, at least to some degree, just based on time and costs. That said, I would love to know about tubing changes or specs that add to the cost, not that there is anything wrong that I know of with the older tubing. I have a new Hilsen frame coming this next week so it will be interesting to see (and ride once I get it built and the weather cooperates) how it feels compared to other bikes. Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
