[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-04 Thread Angus
When the cord shows through the tread...they are done.
Start getting lots of flats through the thin tread...they are done.
Crappy looking sidewalls...unless the structure of the casing is
damaged...I keep going.

I generally get quite a few years out of a pair of tires and try and
extract every cent of useful life from them...probably to a fault.

Angus who is not yet convinced that all 'cracks' in the sidewalls are
all bad

On Jan 3, 2:24 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?

 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-04 Thread Kelly Sleeper
After three flats I get rid of the tire.  Usually by then it has cuts and 
small holes in it.  I ride city streets and shoulders a lot.  After a few 
cuts small gravel will cause flats as well.  So three flats and they are 
gone.  
 
My Schwable Marathon Plus tires have 2500 miles on them with zero flats, 
still decent tred.  My old Michilan race light tires would get 500 miles if 
I was lucky before the three flat rule ended them.. but they would be all 
cut up quickly.  Sometimes first ride. 
 
Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 17:39 -0800, EricP wrote:
 Don't have mine in a shed, but tan sidewalls generally gave out after
 a year.  Not complete failure, just enough pulling apart to not appear
 safe.  Had a set of Pasela 35s with less than 2,000 miles on them that
 were pulled off because of that issue.

Yours, perhaps, but definitely not mine.  This is the 3rd year for the
32mm Paselas I use on my VO as winter tires, the 2nd year for the red
Hetres, the 3rd or maybe even 4th year for the old CdlVs I'm now using
on my P/R Porteur (I took them off the other bikes when their treads got
worn, but saved them just in case - there's still plenty of meat left
on a CdlV once the tread blocks are worn smooth) and every one of them
has tan sidewalls and in every case, the sidewalls are fine.



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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread williwoods
they are toast when you see the tube sticking out. lol

good question, I would like to know as well.



On Jan 3, 12:24 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?

 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread cyclotourist
No big deal if the chex are gone.   Look at the rear and see if it's
starting to square off instead of being round.  That'll be a good sign that
the end is imminent.  From there it'll start being more common to get flats
due to the thinner rubber.  Also check your sidewalls from cracking/damage.
That's where my tires tend to go bad due to heat in the garage.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:44 PM, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote:

 they are toast when you see the tube sticking out. lol

 good question, I would like to know as well.



 On Jan 3, 12:24 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
  I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
  '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
  just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
  the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
  these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?
 
  If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
  smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
  is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
  than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
  to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread MichaelH
The look of the tread is rarely the first sign of tire wear.  Usually
the sidewalls show wear first.  I have had tires go significantly past
3,000 miles.  Usually the rear wheel shows significant wear first, but
since I would never, ever want a front tire blow out, I always change
them at the same time.  Bottom line, keep an eye on them, but don't
rush to judgement.

michael

On Jan 3, 3:24 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?

 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 12:47 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
 No big deal if the chex are gone.   Look at the rear and see if it's
 starting to square off instead of being round.  That'll be a good sign
 that the end is imminent.  

I don't know  about the Jack Browns, but with the Ruffy Tuffy you could
generally get over 2,000 miles more after the checks wore off.  The
tread on the RT was rather thick, and even with the tread absolutely
squared off there was still plenty of tread left.


 From there it'll start being more common to get flats due to the
 thinner rubber.  

That's the most reliable sign in my experience.



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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread Ray Shine
I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun can 
really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur on the 
thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are likely to just blow 
out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and usually can not be repaired. 
Flats in the contact band can most often be repaired. 

Sent From My iPhone

On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:52 PM, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 On Jan 3, 12:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 No big deal if the chex are gone.   Look at the rear and see if it's
 starting to square off instead of being round.  That'll be a good sign that
 the end is imminent.  From there it'll start being more common to get flats
 due to the thinner rubber.  Also check your sidewalls from cracking/damage.
 That's where my tires tend to go bad due to heat in the garage.
 
 
 Agree, Sheldon Brown sums it up here:
 
 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html#wear
 
 Also, if you want your stash of tires to last, don't forget to read
 Sheldon on tire rotation:
 
 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
 
 Good Luck!
 
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RE: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Aw, it was much more humorous as auto-corrected... 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Shine
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:09 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

In my last post, the iPhone auto spell corrected sidewalls to sidewalks, if it 
wasn't already obvious.

Sent From My iPhone

On Jan 3, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun can 
 really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur on the 
 thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are likely to just 
 blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and usually can not be 
 repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often be repaired. 
 
 Sent From My iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:52 PM, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 On Jan 3, 12:47 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 No big deal if the chex are gone.   Look at the rear and see if it's
 starting to square off instead of being round.  That'll be a good 
 sign that the end is imminent.  From there it'll start being more 
 common to get flats due to the thinner rubber.  Also check your sidewalls 
 from cracking/damage.
 That's where my tires tend to go bad due to heat in the garage.
 
 
 Agree, Sheldon Brown sums it up here:
 
 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html#wear
 
 Also, if you want your stash of tires to last, don't forget to read 
 Sheldon on tire rotation:
 
 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
 
 Good Luck!
 
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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread doug peterson
I've been using Schwalbes for a few years.  When the V tread is
completely worn off in the center of the tire, I figure they've earned
their keep.  They usually go 5-6k on a rear at 35 mm width.

dougP

On Jan 3, 12:24 pm, Michael Shaljian mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?

 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
 I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
 can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
 on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
 likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
 usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
 be repaired. 

It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
a lot on local environmental conditions.



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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread cyclotourist
My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
  I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
  can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
  on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
  likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
  usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
  be repaired.

 It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
 mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
 have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
 inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
 a lot on local environmental conditions.



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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread William
Your tires are worn out when the urge to try a new set of tires
overcomes you.

On Jan 3, 1:46 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
 so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
 are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
 corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...



 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
   I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
   can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
   on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
   likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
   usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
   be repaired.

  It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
  mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
  have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
  inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
  a lot on local environmental conditions.

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread Philip Williamson
My sidewalls go the same way, at least when I bought tan-wall Paselas
and lived in CA. I don't do either anymore.
I do still ride on gravel roads, rocky logging roads and other stupid
places, it's just a lot cooler and damper in OR.

As outlined in Sheldon's Tire-rotation article, I move tires
'through' the bike from front to back. New tire on front, old front on
rear, old rear in trash.

 Philip

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On Jan 3, 1:46 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
 so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
 are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
 corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...









 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
   I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
   can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
   on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
   likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
   usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
   be repaired.

  It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
  mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
  have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
  inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
  a lot on local environmental conditions.

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread Tim McNamara

On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Michael Shaljian wrote:

 I've had a set of Jack Browns on my Quickbeam since getting it in May
 '09, and I've probably got near 2500 miles on them. They seem to ride
 just fine, but I'm wondering what I should be looking for to know if
 the tread is worn out. I'm 180 lbs., for what it's worth, and I assume
 these should have a max lifespan of about 3000 miles?
 
 If the original 'checkerboard tread' has been worn down to totally
 smooth, are they worn out? Or are they basically fine until all tread
 is gone? As expensive as good tires are I'm not eager to change sooner
 than necessary, but I do have a set of Schwalbes waiting that I'd like
 to try out, maybe just to mix up my riding with new rubber?

I change out the rear tire usually after getting a flat and noticing that the 
threads of the casing are showing...

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread MichaelS
When it looks like this:

http://s971.photobucket.com/albums/ae196/beewak23/Worn out tire/

Cheers- Mike in So. Boston, Mass

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread MichaelS
Sorry, bad link...

Try

*http://tinyurl.com/2c76arf


*
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:05 PM, MichaelS bee...@gmail.com wrote:


 When it looks like this:

 http://s971.photobucket.com/albums/ae196/beewak23/Worn out tire/

 Cheers- Mike in So. Boston, Mass






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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread Bill Gibson
And don't forget, the rumor that well worn tires are lighter, more supple,
and faster!  But it's the increasing frequency of flats, and then creeping
paranoia on fast downhill curves...and the anticipation of proudly wearing
out a tire through honest mileage!

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:07 PM, MichaelS bee...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, bad link...

 Try

 *http://tinyurl.com/2c76arf


 *

 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:05 PM, MichaelS bee...@gmail.com wrote:


 When it looks like this:

 http://s971.photobucket.com/albums/ae196/beewak23/Worn out tire/

 Cheers- Mike in So. Boston, Mass





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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread EricP
Don't have mine in a shed, but tan sidewalls generally gave out after
a year.  Not complete failure, just enough pulling apart to not appear
safe.  Had a set of Pasela 35s with less than 2,000 miles on them that
were pulled off because of that issue.

BTW, this isn't new to me, had it on tires in the early 1980's.
Especially the Specialized Fat Boy slicks back then.  One pair lasted
all of 500 miles before the sidewalls failed.

I blame the northern latitudes, but with David having trouble, might
be something else.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 3, 3:46 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
 so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
 are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
 corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...





 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
   I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
   can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
   on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
   likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
   usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
   be repaired.

  It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
  mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
  have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
  inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
  a lot on local environmental conditions.

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[RBW] Re: How do you know when tires are worn out?

2011-01-03 Thread charlie
I do the same when changing out tires but ride Schwalbes now. No more
gum sidewalls for me.

On Jan 3, 2:32 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
wrote:
 My sidewalls go the same way, at least when I bought tan-wall Paselas
 and lived in CA. I don't do either anymore.
 I do still ride on gravel roads, rocky logging roads and other stupid
 places, it's just a lot cooler and damper in OR.

 As outlined in Sheldon's Tire-rotation article, I move tires
 'through' the bike from front to back. New tire on front, old front on
 rear, old rear in trash.

  Philip

  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com

 On Jan 3, 1:46 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

  My sidewalls (and often tread) start drying out and cracking after a year or
  so, long before the tread is worn.  Panaracer made tires (Pasela, RT, CdlV)
  are the worst.  I'm 100% sure it's due to having my bikes in a broiling-hot
  corrugated shed, but you work with whatcha' got...

  On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
   On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 13:01 -0800, Ray Shine wrote:
I second the recommendation to keep a close eye on the sidewalks.  Sun
can really do a number on the sidewalks. A flat will most likely occur
on the thinning rubber of the contact area, but the sidewalks are
likely to just blow out. Sidewalk blow outs usually are dangerous, and
usually can not be repaired. Flats in the contact band can most often
be repaired.

   It's funny, in decades of riding I have never once had sidewall (never
   mind sidewalk) deterioration, and the only sidewall blowouts I've had
   have been due to cuts (misaligned brake block in one case, burr on the
   inside of the bead seat area of the rim in the other).  This must depend
   a lot on local environmental conditions.

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