Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Corwin]

Santa Susana pass. I have not visited the area in many years. But that 
brings back memories of my first century - more than 45 years ago. Started 
at PCH and Topanga Canyon Blvd. Up Topanga Canyon, north to where the 118 
is today. East to Thousand Oaks and back to PCH via Decker Canyon Road. 
Most vivid memories from that ride were a guy smoking a cigarette after we 
climbed Santa Susana pass and my eating five quarter pounders in Thousand 
Oaks (had not eaten anything that day).

Not suggesting Topanga Canyon Blvd (or any other street) is rideable or 
unrideable.


Corwin

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:15:30 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> I am working from home at the moment but will soon be going back to the 
> office. Unfortunately we had to move from the house we were renting which 
> was 1 1/4 miles from my office, where I could bike every day, to the other 
> side of the Santa Susana pass, in late 2020. My office is in Chatsworth CA, 
> but we now live in Simi Valley. 
> The only bike route through is the Santa Susana pass and SR-27 - Topanga 
> Canyon Blvd, which I am too nervous to ride. It is also very hilly in the 
> middle. 
> I plan to ride to the Metrolink train and take my bike one stop, then ride 
> from there. I love bike commuting, such a great way to start and end the 
> day. 
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:36:35 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Kudos. It's always nice to have your bike comfortably parked by your 
>> desk. And it's hard to beat Ortliebs for price/performance/durability, even 
>> looks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who works at home, but can sneak out for mid-afternoon 
>> rides in the bosque, as today.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:59 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm finally set up and have been riding the entire week on my Platypus. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Joe Mullins]

I’m familiar with that road and it’s narrow with zero bike lane and lots of 
crazy LA drivers…no fun at all! I think riding the metro is a great idea. Every 
time I see the metro go by my place in Los Angeles it looks nearly empty. This 
is such a car-centric city .

Joe in Los Angeles 

> On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:15 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
> 
> I am working from home at the moment but will soon be going back to the 
> office. Unfortunately we had to move from the house we were renting which was 
> 1 1/4 miles from my office, where I could bike every day, to the other side 
> of the Santa Susana pass, in late 2020. My office is in Chatsworth CA, but we 
> now live in Simi Valley. 
> The only bike route through is the Santa Susana pass and SR-27 - Topanga 
> Canyon Blvd, which I am too nervous to ride. It is also very hilly in the 
> middle. 
> I plan to ride to the Metrolink train and take my bike one stop, then ride 
> from there. I love bike commuting, such a great way to start and end the day. 
> 
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:36:35 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Kudos. It's always nice to have your bike comfortably parked by your desk. 
>> And it's hard to beat Ortliebs for price/performance/durability, even looks.
>> 
>> Patrick Moore, who works at home, but can sneak out for mid-afternoon rides 
>> in the bosque, as today.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:59 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>> I'm finally set up and have been riding the entire week on my Platypus. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Dorothy C]

I am working from home at the moment but will soon be going back to the 
office. Unfortunately we had to move from the house we were renting which 
was 1 1/4 miles from my office, where I could bike every day, to the other 
side of the Santa Susana pass, in late 2020. My office is in Chatsworth CA, 
but we now live in Simi Valley. 
The only bike route through is the Santa Susana pass and SR-27 - Topanga 
Canyon Blvd, which I am too nervous to ride. It is also very hilly in the 
middle. 
I plan to ride to the Metrolink train and take my bike one stop, then ride 
from there. I love bike commuting, such a great way to start and end the 
day. 

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 5:36:35 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Kudos. It's always nice to have your bike comfortably parked by your desk. 
> And it's hard to beat Ortliebs for price/performance/durability, even looks.
>
> Patrick Moore, who works at home, but can sneak out for mid-afternoon 
> rides in the bosque, as today.
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:59 PM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I'm finally set up and have been riding the entire week on my Platypus. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Patrick Moore]

Kudos. It's always nice to have your bike comfortably parked by your desk.
And it's hard to beat Ortliebs for price/performance/durability, even looks.

Patrick Moore, who works at home, but can sneak out for mid-afternoon rides
in the bosque, as today.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:59 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I'm finally set up and have been riding the entire week on my Platypus.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Roberta]

I'm finally set up and have been riding the entire week on my Platypus.  I 
loved the days when I walked, but it is nice to leave the house later than 
I planned and still get to work earlier than expected.  Even over the three 
weeks of manual daily commuting, I've already shortened my walk and ride 
times.  The only thing holding me back are the red lights!  And, as long as 
the Platy is I can fit it in the elevator without fuss.

You can see on my bike Dynamo lights, lots of different types of reflectors 
for both me and the bike and my newest love--that Ortlieb pannier, gracious 
gift from local RBW member.  It is a front pannier, but it's a great size 
for me as rear luggage.  I'm loving the pannier more than I thought I 
would.  I'm using Tom's suggestion of packing a bag and just placing in the 
pannier.

Tomorrow is to be warm and I'm planning a long ride away from the office on 
my H. Homer Hilsen, which needs some love.  Hope you all have a great 
weekend.

Roberta

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 8:14:12 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> This is my third week manually commuting.  
>
> The first week, I split the commute days between walking and riding. Sure, 
> it's cold on a bike when it's 25* , but I was to my destination in 12 
> minutes vs 32-34 walk (you have to stop a lot at red lights in the city). I 
> did not like the backpack, because riding generated a lot of heat and my 
> back got moist.Last week it rained nearly every day, so I walked or 
> walked/bussed.  If it stops raining tonight, I'll take my Platy tomorrow.  
> Or, whenever it dries out.
>
> I received a couple of generous offers to try now-unneeded panniers and 
> backpack/pannier combos, and I'm going to try the panniers,  meeting 
> generous person tomorrow for the hand-off.  I already used Tom's bag in a 
> bag suggestion and it worked well.  I'll probably bring all my shoes/pants 
> on day one and wear my shirts.  John, I'll probably put th small saddle 
> sack on the Homer to switch it up between that and Platy for long after 
> work rides.  The She-devil is great for in town, but I'd rather ride my 
> Rivs for pure pleasure.
>
> Toshi, I invested in HexLox that BicycleBelleDingDing (Leah) recommended.  
> I guess it's time to put them on!
>
> Emily and Ezree, I was really tempted by PoCampo's Bergen pannier, but got 
> other offers, so will try local one. Bergen is practical and pretty.  
> Perhaps I need another bike (not) to justify a Bergen purchase...
>
> I'll post a picture once the Platy is setup.  I'm sure that  come 
> springtime, my commute home will be about 20 miles. Yea!
>
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:56:28 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> Panniers for sure, and I would recommend getting Pitlock(for wheels) 
>> /pitstoppers (or equivalent) for the allen bolts so that you can feel 
>> comfortable going in for a quick shopping trip without having your wheels 
>> and saddle stolen etc (and not having to carry a bunch of cables with your 
>> bike lock).  I am lucky to be able to commute on my Cheviot at least a 
>> couple times a week.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:48 PM KenP  wrote:
>>
>>> Roberta,
>>>   Did anyone make a suggestion to develop a to-do/to-bring checklist?   
>>>  It took me a few months to develop a routine, gradually finding out what 
>>> is needed for each trip and season.
>>> Your needs will vary.  I have to remember my lights and to charge them 
>>> the night before, my clothes, though I keep a set at my desk, water, bike 
>>> tools, spare tube, lock and key, sun lotion, a magazine to read at lunch 
>>> (and the bag lunch); we have to take our temperature at home before we can 
>>> enter the office.  Lots of things to remember.  So, a list helps.
>>> Inevitably I will forget something.  Just this week I forgot to bring a 
>>> belt and now there's a new use for a bunch of Irish straps.
>>> Ken 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
 can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
 varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
 snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
 physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
 I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
 take the bike into my office.

 I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What 
 do you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not 
 not sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag 
 (I have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the 
 back of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.

 I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other 
 suggestions?

 Roberta

Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Roberta]

This is my third week manually commuting.  

The first week, I split the commute days between walking and riding. Sure, 
it's cold on a bike when it's 25* , but I was to my destination in 12 
minutes vs 32-34 walk (you have to stop a lot at red lights in the city). I 
did not like the backpack, because riding generated a lot of heat and my 
back got moist.Last week it rained nearly every day, so I walked or 
walked/bussed.  If it stops raining tonight, I'll take my Platy tomorrow.  
Or, whenever it dries out.

I received a couple of generous offers to try now-unneeded panniers and 
backpack/pannier combos, and I'm going to try the panniers,  meeting 
generous person tomorrow for the hand-off.  I already used Tom's bag in a 
bag suggestion and it worked well.  I'll probably bring all my shoes/pants 
on day one and wear my shirts.  John, I'll probably put th small saddle 
sack on the Homer to switch it up between that and Platy for long after 
work rides.  The She-devil is great for in town, but I'd rather ride my 
Rivs for pure pleasure.

Toshi, I invested in HexLox that BicycleBelleDingDing (Leah) recommended.  
I guess it's time to put them on!

Emily and Ezree, I was really tempted by PoCampo's Bergen pannier, but got 
other offers, so will try local one. Bergen is practical and pretty.  
Perhaps I need another bike (not) to justify a Bergen purchase...

I'll post a picture once the Platy is setup.  I'm sure that  come 
springtime, my commute home will be about 20 miles. Yea!


On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:56:28 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:

> Panniers for sure, and I would recommend getting Pitlock(for wheels) 
> /pitstoppers (or equivalent) for the allen bolts so that you can feel 
> comfortable going in for a quick shopping trip without having your wheels 
> and saddle stolen etc (and not having to carry a bunch of cables with your 
> bike lock).  I am lucky to be able to commute on my Cheviot at least a 
> couple times a week.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:48 PM KenP  wrote:
>
>> Roberta,
>>   Did anyone make a suggestion to develop a to-do/to-bring checklist?   
>>  It took me a few months to develop a routine, gradually finding out what 
>> is needed for each trip and season.
>> Your needs will vary.  I have to remember my lights and to charge them 
>> the night before, my clothes, though I keep a set at my desk, water, bike 
>> tools, spare tube, lock and key, sun lotion, a magazine to read at lunch 
>> (and the bag lunch); we have to take our temperature at home before we can 
>> enter the office.  Lots of things to remember.  So, a list helps.
>> Inevitably I will forget something.  Just this week I forgot to bring a 
>> belt and now there's a new use for a bunch of Irish straps.
>> Ken 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
>>> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
>>> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
>>> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
>>> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
>>> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
>>> take the bike into my office.
>>>
>>> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What 
>>> do you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not 
>>> not sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag 
>>> (I have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the 
>>> back of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>>>
>>> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other 
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta

If only pants are required to be carried, then you RBW small saddlesack 
should suffice and they would on a flat level surface.  If not maybe the 
medium saddlesack they sell.

I was always told to avoid carrying extra weight on your body like a 
backpack with a load.  The load is better on the frame

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 11:17:26 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> These days it's semi-casual, but I still need to look sort-of 
> professional.  I wear my top and  just change my shoes and pants because 
> they can get dirty on the trip.  Last week I got one leg soaked when a 
> driver ran over a big puddle at full speed.  
>
> I think I'll keep shoes in the office, so will only be totting pants and 
> lunch.  I am going to try Tom's bag in a pannier option on my Platypus, and 
> with the bag in a basket option on the She-Devil.  
>
> I loved reading everyone's responses and seeing your enthusiasm.  Thank 
> you.
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 12:33:47 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Roberta,
>> One thing I may have missed is what sort of work attire do you need to 
>> carry?
>> Two miles is a relatively short distance and unless it’s really humid or 
>> raining, you may not need to change. 
>> If your clothes need to be neatly pressed then you will need to keep them 
>> neatly folded for your commute. 
>> A basked with some sort of tote bag would likely cover most of your needs 
>> and keeping some work clothes at work could cover you for the days you 
>> really need to change. 
>> When I commuted 10 miles each way, I changed at work. 
>> When I commuted 3 miles each way, I rode in my work clothes. 
>> Neither job required dress attire. 
>> A backpack in hot weather doesn’t appeal to me but 2 miles gives to tons 
>> of flexibility. 
>>
>> Congratulations on your short commute. What a blessing to have so many 
>> hours liberated from your workweek. 
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 6:57:50 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> *" I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
>>> inside the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
>>> organized. "--Tom*
>>>
>>>
>>> This is brilliant!!!  I like simplicity and no fuss.  The She-Devil 
>>> already has a basket and the Platypus, I expect, will soon have panniers.  
>>> If I take my third bike H. Homer Hilsen for a long after work ride, I can 
>>> use the Riv Saddle Sack, so it won't matter which bike I'll take--I'll be 
>>> set.
>>>
>>> It's so great reading about everyone's experiences.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:44:41 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 In my years of commuting I've used:
 1) Milk Crate
 2) Wald Basket
 3) Panniers
 4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)

 I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
 
  
 that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide 
 it *inside 
 *the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
 organized. I also sling it on my back when I'm locking up my bike, etc. . 
 I 
 borrowed the idea from a friend, so I can't take credit.  If you use a  
 basket I recommend a foam pad for the bottom, though.
 For short trips my preference would be a basket.  It stays on the bike, 
 is transparent to the wind when empty, and keeps my stuff in view. 

 Tom

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Panniers for sure, and I would recommend getting Pitlock(for wheels)
/pitstoppers (or equivalent) for the allen bolts so that you can feel
comfortable going in for a quick shopping trip without having your wheels
and saddle stolen etc (and not having to carry a bunch of cables with your
bike lock).  I am lucky to be able to commute on my Cheviot at least a
couple times a week.

Toshi


On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:48 PM KenP  wrote:

> Roberta,
>   Did anyone make a suggestion to develop a to-do/to-bring checklist?
>  It took me a few months to develop a routine, gradually finding out what
> is needed for each trip and season.
> Your needs will vary.  I have to remember my lights and to charge them the
> night before, my clothes, though I keep a set at my desk, water, bike
> tools, spare tube, lock and key, sun lotion, a magazine to read at lunch
> (and the bag lunch); we have to take our temperature at home before we can
> enter the office.  Lots of things to remember.  So, a list helps.
> Inevitably I will forget something.  Just this week I forgot to bring a
> belt and now there's a new use for a bunch of Irish straps.
> Ken
>
>
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I
>> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been
>> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain,
>> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day,
>> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.
>> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can
>> take the bike into my office.
>>
>> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do
>> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not
>> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I
>> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back
>> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>>
>> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Roberta
>>
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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[KenP]

Roberta,
  Did anyone make a suggestion to develop a to-do/to-bring checklist?It 
took me a few months to develop a routine, gradually finding out what is 
needed for each trip and season.
Your needs will vary.  I have to remember my lights and to charge them the 
night before, my clothes, though I keep a set at my desk, water, bike 
tools, spare tube, lock and key, sun lotion, a magazine to read at lunch 
(and the bag lunch); we have to take our temperature at home before we can 
enter the office.  Lots of things to remember.  So, a list helps.
Inevitably I will forget something.  Just this week I forgot to bring a 
belt and now there's a new use for a bunch of Irish straps.
Ken 
   

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
> take the bike into my office.
>
> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>
> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Roberta
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Emily Guise]

Congrats on the new commute, Roberta! Biking to work is so great, and now 
that I'm working from home, I miss it a lot. My own stuff carrying 
evolution went from backpack -> backpack in milk crate on a rear rack -> 
Dutch style double panniers -> Ortleib pannier -> tote-bag style pannier 
(more professional looking than an Ortleib off the bike) -> back to a 
backpack inside the Dutch style panniers, which kept it dry and also left 
room for errands on the way home. I also had baskets up front, because 
baskets are the best. 

On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:40:40 AM UTC-8 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:

> It's slightly off the topic of commuting bags, but over the many years I 
> have commuted via pedals (from age 17 to age 61), I discovered that a 
> single speed or fixed gear commute bike was ideal: much fewer repairs, no 
> malfunctions, and really strong wheels (the latter cannot be overstressed-- 
> no pun intended)!  The Rivendell 'Quickbeam' was perfect (with moustache 
> bars to get leverage for accelerations and easy hills).  The fixed gear is 
> less ideal if you have long steep hills, but most commutes do not.  I found 
> that fixed gear was far better in terms of both speed and efficiency on my 
> commutes.  Now my commute is uphill most of the way, so I am using my 
> Teesdale touring bike, but the fixed gear was the best ever for all my 
> other flat or rolling commutes.  
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 9:27 AM  wrote:
>
>> On my commutes I also carried a large thermos full of coffee since our 
>> office coffee was pretty bad. It added weight but coffee is worth the extra 
>> effort.
>>
>> I basically work from home now so I have to find excuses to get out and 
>> do errands throughout the week to ride. 
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2022, at 8:17 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> These days it's semi-casual, but I still need to look sort-of 
>> professional.  I wear my top and  just change my shoes and pants because 
>> they can get dirty on the trip.  Last week I got one leg soaked when a 
>> driver ran over a big puddle at full speed.  
>>
>> I think I'll keep shoes in the office, so will only be totting pants and 
>> lunch.  I am going to try Tom's bag in a pannier option on my Platypus, and 
>> with the bag in a basket option on the She-Devil.  
>>
>> I loved reading everyone's responses and seeing your enthusiasm.  Thank 
>> you.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 12:33:47 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> Roberta,
>>> One thing I may have missed is what sort of work attire do you need to 
>>> carry?
>>> Two miles is a relatively short distance and unless it’s really humid or 
>>> raining, you may not need to change. 
>>> If your clothes need to be neatly pressed then you will need to keep 
>>> them neatly folded for your commute. 
>>> A basked with some sort of tote bag would likely cover most of your 
>>> needs and keeping some work clothes at work could cover you for the days 
>>> you really need to change. 
>>> When I commuted 10 miles each way, I changed at work. 
>>> When I commuted 3 miles each way, I rode in my work clothes. 
>>> Neither job required dress attire. 
>>> A backpack in hot weather doesn’t appeal to me but 2 miles gives to tons 
>>> of flexibility. 
>>>
>>> Congratulations on your short commute. What a blessing to have so many 
>>> hours liberated from your workweek. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 6:57:50 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 *" I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
 
  
 that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide 
 it 
 inside the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff 
 more 
 organized. "--Tom*


 This is brilliant!!!  I like simplicity and no fuss.  The She-Devil 
 already has a basket and the Platypus, I expect, will soon have panniers.  
 If I take my third bike H. Homer Hilsen for a long after work ride, I can 
 use the Riv Saddle Sack, so it won't matter which bike I'll take--I'll be 
 set.

 It's so great reading about everyone's experiences.

 Roberta

 On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:44:41 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> In my years of commuting I've used:
> 1) Milk Crate
> 2) Wald Basket
> 3) Panniers
> 4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)
>
> I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
> 
>  
> that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide 
> it *inside 
> *the pannier, basket 

Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Karl Wilcox]

It's slightly off the topic of commuting bags, but over the many years I
have commuted via pedals (from age 17 to age 61), I discovered that a
single speed or fixed gear commute bike was ideal: much fewer repairs, no
malfunctions, and really strong wheels (the latter cannot be overstressed--
no pun intended)!  The Rivendell 'Quickbeam' was perfect (with moustache
bars to get leverage for accelerations and easy hills).  The fixed gear is
less ideal if you have long steep hills, but most commutes do not.  I found
that fixed gear was far better in terms of both speed and efficiency on my
commutes.  Now my commute is uphill most of the way, so I am using my
Teesdale touring bike, but the fixed gear was the best ever for all my
other flat or rolling commutes.

On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 9:27 AM  wrote:

> On my commutes I also carried a large thermos full of coffee since our
> office coffee was pretty bad. It added weight but coffee is worth the extra
> effort.
>
> I basically work from home now so I have to find excuses to get out and do
> errands throughout the week to ride.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 6, 2022, at 8:17 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
> These days it's semi-casual, but I still need to look sort-of
> professional.  I wear my top and  just change my shoes and pants because
> they can get dirty on the trip.  Last week I got one leg soaked when a
> driver ran over a big puddle at full speed.
>
> I think I'll keep shoes in the office, so will only be totting pants and
> lunch.  I am going to try Tom's bag in a pannier option on my Platypus, and
> with the bag in a basket option on the She-Devil.
>
> I loved reading everyone's responses and seeing your enthusiasm.  Thank
> you.
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 12:33:47 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Roberta,
>> One thing I may have missed is what sort of work attire do you need to
>> carry?
>> Two miles is a relatively short distance and unless it’s really humid or
>> raining, you may not need to change.
>> If your clothes need to be neatly pressed then you will need to keep them
>> neatly folded for your commute.
>> A basked with some sort of tote bag would likely cover most of your needs
>> and keeping some work clothes at work could cover you for the days you
>> really need to change.
>> When I commuted 10 miles each way, I changed at work.
>> When I commuted 3 miles each way, I rode in my work clothes.
>> Neither job required dress attire.
>> A backpack in hot weather doesn’t appeal to me but 2 miles gives to tons
>> of flexibility.
>>
>> Congratulations on your short commute. What a blessing to have so many
>> hours liberated from your workweek.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 6:57:50 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> *" I have one of those cheap packable backpacks
>>> 
>>> that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it
>>> inside the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more
>>> organized. "--Tom*
>>>
>>>
>>> This is brilliant!!!  I like simplicity and no fuss.  The She-Devil
>>> already has a basket and the Platypus, I expect, will soon have panniers.
>>> If I take my third bike H. Homer Hilsen for a long after work ride, I can
>>> use the Riv Saddle Sack, so it won't matter which bike I'll take--I'll be
>>> set.
>>>
>>> It's so great reading about everyone's experiences.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:44:41 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 In my years of commuting I've used:
 1) Milk Crate
 2) Wald Basket
 3) Panniers
 4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)

 I have one of those cheap packable backpacks
 
 that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide 
 it *inside
 *the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more
 organized. I also sling it on my back when I'm locking up my bike, etc. . I
 borrowed the idea from a friend, so I can't take credit.  If you use a
 basket I recommend a foam pad for the bottom, though.
 For short trips my preference would be a basket.  It stays on the bike,
 is transparent to the wind when empty, and keeps my stuff in view.

 Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[rltilley]

On my commutes I also carried a large thermos full of coffee since our office 
coffee was pretty bad. It added weight but coffee is worth the extra effort.

I basically work from home now so I have to find excuses to get out and do 
errands throughout the week to ride. 

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2022, at 8:17 AM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> 
> These days it's semi-casual, but I still need to look sort-of professional.  
> I wear my top and  just change my shoes and pants because they can get dirty 
> on the trip.  Last week I got one leg soaked when a driver ran over a big 
> puddle at full speed.  
> 
> I think I'll keep shoes in the office, so will only be totting pants and 
> lunch.  I am going to try Tom's bag in a pannier option on my Platypus, and 
> with the bag in a basket option on the She-Devil.  
> 
> I loved reading everyone's responses and seeing your enthusiasm.  Thank you.
> 
> Roberta
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 12:33:47 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>> Roberta,
>> One thing I may have missed is what sort of work attire do you need to carry?
>> Two miles is a relatively short distance and unless it’s really humid or 
>> raining, you may not need to change. 
>> If your clothes need to be neatly pressed then you will need to keep them 
>> neatly folded for your commute. 
>> A basked with some sort of tote bag would likely cover most of your needs 
>> and keeping some work clothes at work could cover you for the days you 
>> really need to change. 
>> When I commuted 10 miles each way, I changed at work. 
>> When I commuted 3 miles each way, I rode in my work clothes. 
>> Neither job required dress attire. 
>> A backpack in hot weather doesn’t appeal to me but 2 miles gives to tons of 
>> flexibility. 
>> 
>> Congratulations on your short commute. What a blessing to have so many hours 
>> liberated from your workweek. 
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
>>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 6:57:50 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>> " I have one of those cheap packable backpacks that folds up into its own 
>>> pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it inside the pannier, basket 
>>> or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more organized. "--Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is brilliant!!!  I like simplicity and no fuss.  The She-Devil already 
>>> has a basket and the Platypus, I expect, will soon have panniers.  If I 
>>> take my third bike H. Homer Hilsen for a long after work ride, I can use 
>>> the Riv Saddle Sack, so it won't matter which bike I'll take--I'll be set.
>>> 
>>> It's so great reading about everyone's experiences.
>>> 
>>> Roberta
>>> 
 On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:44:41 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
 In my years of commuting I've used:
 1) Milk Crate
 2) Wald Basket
 3) Panniers
 4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)
 
 I have one of those cheap packable backpacks that folds up into its own 
 pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it inside the pannier, 
 basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more organized. I also 
 sling it on my back when I'm locking up my bike, etc. . I borrowed the 
 idea from a friend, so I can't take credit.  If you use a  basket I 
 recommend a foam pad for the bottom, though.
 For short trips my preference would be a basket.  It stays on the bike, is 
 transparent to the wind when empty, and keeps my stuff in view. 
 
 Tom
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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Roberta]

These days it's semi-casual, but I still need to look sort-of 
professional.  I wear my top and  just change my shoes and pants because 
they can get dirty on the trip.  Last week I got one leg soaked when a 
driver ran over a big puddle at full speed.  

I think I'll keep shoes in the office, so will only be totting pants and 
lunch.  I am going to try Tom's bag in a pannier option on my Platypus, and 
with the bag in a basket option on the She-Devil.  

I loved reading everyone's responses and seeing your enthusiasm.  Thank you.

Roberta


On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 12:33:47 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Roberta,
> One thing I may have missed is what sort of work attire do you need to 
> carry?
> Two miles is a relatively short distance and unless it’s really humid or 
> raining, you may not need to change. 
> If your clothes need to be neatly pressed then you will need to keep them 
> neatly folded for your commute. 
> A basked with some sort of tote bag would likely cover most of your needs 
> and keeping some work clothes at work could cover you for the days you 
> really need to change. 
> When I commuted 10 miles each way, I changed at work. 
> When I commuted 3 miles each way, I rode in my work clothes. 
> Neither job required dress attire. 
> A backpack in hot weather doesn’t appeal to me but 2 miles gives to tons 
> of flexibility. 
>
> Congratulations on your short commute. What a blessing to have so many 
> hours liberated from your workweek. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 6:57:50 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> *" I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
>> 
>>  
>> that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
>> inside the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
>> organized. "--Tom*
>>
>>
>> This is brilliant!!!  I like simplicity and no fuss.  The She-Devil 
>> already has a basket and the Platypus, I expect, will soon have panniers.  
>> If I take my third bike H. Homer Hilsen for a long after work ride, I can 
>> use the Riv Saddle Sack, so it won't matter which bike I'll take--I'll be 
>> set.
>>
>> It's so great reading about everyone's experiences.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:44:41 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> In my years of commuting I've used:
>>> 1) Milk Crate
>>> 2) Wald Basket
>>> 3) Panniers
>>> 4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)
>>>
>>> I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
>>> *inside 
>>> *the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
>>> organized. I also sling it on my back when I'm locking up my bike, etc. . I 
>>> borrowed the idea from a friend, so I can't take credit.  If you use a  
>>> basket I recommend a foam pad for the bottom, though.
>>> For short trips my preference would be a basket.  It stays on the bike, 
>>> is transparent to the wind when empty, and keeps my stuff in view. 
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[ascpgh]

As always, the ways and reasons for folks commuting exceeds any single 
answer. I'm fascinated by the range of responses from folks who bike 
commute. Also the things that people must bring with them like laptops. My 
old roommate works in an executive capacity and he stops by his office on 
his Saturday chore runs to swap out suits, pressed shirts, ties, etc. with 
fresh ones and launders the week's used ones. Not perfect but he's on a 
bike, off the roads five days a week this way. 

I've used my Carradice Nelson Longflap as my commute baggage for fifteen 
years now. I carry my scrubs, a pair of really old Crocs and a small stuff 
sack with ID, some cash for coffee and other little things all  in a summit 
bag from REI that is just a tad greater in volume than my Carradice. It's 
essentially a stuff sack with shoulder straps used by climbers who've 
dropped their big packs and are down to the minimum for a push to their 
objective. It lets me unload my Nelson with a single item I carry in on my 
shoulder. I put my cycling shoes and helmet in the saddlebag to spend the 
day in the rack. When I change into my scrubs inside, the riding clothes go 
in the summit bag and into my locker along with the Crocs. I keep two 
rotating pairs of "work" shoes there. 

For the load I need to commute with this has been the best answer and least 
encumbering of either me or the bike including effect on handling. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
> take the bike into my office.
>
> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>
> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Roberta
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Jason Fuller]

Not much I could add to this already thorough thread, but I did try my 
hardest to avoid using a pannier but in the end, pannier or two on a rear 
rack is just pretty unbeatable particularly if you need to carry a laptop 
(mine is kinda big, which narrowed down my options significantly).  Front 
137 basket with a roll-top bag (waterproof if you need it to be) would be 
my pick for a lighter, more compact commuting load. 

On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 11:01:00 UTC-8 ericf3 wrote:

> Here is one article on locking your bike and its bits. Only because I was 
> looking at it earlier today...
>
> https://www.mec.ca/en/explore/locking-your-bike
>
> ef
> Vancouver BC
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Eric Floden]

Here is one article on locking your bike and its bits. Only because I was
looking at it earlier today...

https://www.mec.ca/en/explore/locking-your-bike

ef
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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Christine Rose]

My favourite bags for commuting are from Po Campo. https://www.pocampo.com 
They make very cute and functional bags for commuters. I use one of their 
backpack/pannier models for normal commutes. It is super quick to use is as 
a pannier on my rear rack, and then put it into backpack mode to walk into 
work. Unfortunately the new model doesn't come in the cute patterns 
anymore. For smaller loads I adore the trunk bag. It will go in my front 
basket. Then if I stop for shopping and need more room, I put the shopping 
in the basket and the bag straps to the top of my rear rack. That one still 
comes in some cute patterns too!
Christine in Denver
On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 Lynn Haas wrote:

> Rack and panniers. You want a pannier that is easy to remove and carry 
> around for when you stop to run an errand on your way home. Double check to 
> make sure your chosen panniers are compatible with the rack; Tubus and 
> Nitto racks have larger diameter tubing and not all panniers will fit. Get 
> a decent lock and watch some YouTube videos to learn good technique. Even 
> if you park inside during the day, if you ever need to stop anywhere on the 
> way to or from your destination, you will need a lock.
>
> Congratulations on the new commute!
>
> Lynn
>
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Karl Wilcox]

I used a large Messenger Bag for a 20 mile commute for many years-- very 
handy because I did not need racks, and you can just get off the bike and 
walk to the office.  I carried up to 20 pounds in the Messenger Bag with no 
discomfort; I would never use a backpack (sweaty back and load too high on 
the back for comfort).  Alternatively, I have often used front panniers on 
a load-rider rack (better handling).  At present, I am using a Carradice 
Nelson Long Flap Saddle bag with a rack under it, but I can now just park 
my bike in the office, so no need to detach bag.  In High School, I used a 
Kirtland Large Handlebar Bag, but it really messed with steering! 
 Experiment.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:33:29 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
> take the bike into my office.
>
> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>
> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Lynn Haas]

Rack and panniers. You want a pannier that is easy to remove and carry 
around for when you stop to run an errand on your way home. Double check to 
make sure your chosen panniers are compatible with the rack; Tubus and 
Nitto racks have larger diameter tubing and not all panniers will fit. Get 
a decent lock and watch some YouTube videos to learn good technique. Even 
if you park inside during the day, if you ever need to stop anywhere on the 
way to or from your destination, you will need a lock.

Congratulations on the new commute!

Lynn

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Ray Varella]

Roberta,
One thing I may have missed is what sort of work attire do you need to 
carry?
Two miles is a relatively short distance and unless it’s really humid or 
raining, you may not need to change. 
If your clothes need to be neatly pressed then you will need to keep them 
neatly folded for your commute. 
A basked with some sort of tote bag would likely cover most of your needs 
and keeping some work clothes at work could cover you for the days you 
really need to change. 
When I commuted 10 miles each way, I changed at work. 
When I commuted 3 miles each way, I rode in my work clothes. 
Neither job required dress attire. 
A backpack in hot weather doesn’t appeal to me but 2 miles gives to tons of 
flexibility. 

Congratulations on your short commute. What a blessing to have so many 
hours liberated from your workweek. 

Ray

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 6:57:50 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> *" I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
> 
>  
> that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
> inside the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
> organized. "--Tom*
>
>
> This is brilliant!!!  I like simplicity and no fuss.  The She-Devil 
> already has a basket and the Platypus, I expect, will soon have panniers.  
> If I take my third bike H. Homer Hilsen for a long after work ride, I can 
> use the Riv Saddle Sack, so it won't matter which bike I'll take--I'll be 
> set.
>
> It's so great reading about everyone's experiences.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:44:41 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> In my years of commuting I've used:
>> 1) Milk Crate
>> 2) Wald Basket
>> 3) Panniers
>> 4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)
>>
>> I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
>> 
>>  
>> that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
>> *inside 
>> *the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
>> organized. I also sling it on my back when I'm locking up my bike, etc. . I 
>> borrowed the idea from a friend, so I can't take credit.  If you use a  
>> basket I recommend a foam pad for the bottom, though.
>> For short trips my preference would be a basket.  It stays on the bike, 
>> is transparent to the wind when empty, and keeps my stuff in view. 
>>
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Roberta]

*" I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 

 
that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
inside the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
organized. "--Tom*


This is brilliant!!!  I like simplicity and no fuss.  The She-Devil already 
has a basket and the Platypus, I expect, will soon have panniers.  If I 
take my third bike H. Homer Hilsen for a long after work ride, I can use 
the Riv Saddle Sack, so it won't matter which bike I'll take--I'll be set.

It's so great reading about everyone's experiences.

Roberta

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:44:41 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> In my years of commuting I've used:
> 1) Milk Crate
> 2) Wald Basket
> 3) Panniers
> 4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)
>
> I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 
> 
>  
> that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
> *inside 
> *the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
> organized. I also sling it on my back when I'm locking up my bike, etc. . I 
> borrowed the idea from a friend, so I can't take credit.  If you use a  
> basket I recommend a foam pad for the bottom, though.
> For short trips my preference would be a basket.  It stays on the bike, is 
> transparent to the wind when empty, and keeps my stuff in view. 
>
> Tom
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Joe Mullins]

As many others have mentioned, I find commuting to and from work a wonderful 
way to round off the day and I’m happy for you to finally experience it! My 
line of work prevents me from being able to commute by bike on most days so 
it’s a real treat when I’m able to. 

On my Sam I’ve got a medium sized saddle bag that holds tools, straps, gloves, 
pump, lock, reflective bits and other miscellaneous stuff that always stays on 
the bike wherever I go. I’ve squeezed a pair of shoes in there with room to 
spare.  In a Wald basket up front I’m currently using a Blue Lug 137 tote bag 
with a net securing it. I take the tote with me when I get to work. The basket 
is nice because it’s versatile. 

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 5:48 PM, brendonoid  wrote:
> 
> 
> My commute is 3kms one way basically the same as you. You could just throw 
> your backpack you like to use in the Wald basket. It wouldn't get easier than 
> that. The convenience of not leaving anything on the bike is great.
> Worrying about how a load feels isn't going to be an issue over such a short 
> distance, you'll manage even if something isn't ideal.
> 
> I work in the clothes I ride in so don't carry that much stuff.
> 
> My own current commute setup is a shopsack in a Wald. I use an old small 
> saddlesack in winter if I need extra space for wet weather gear or picking up 
> groceries on the way home.
> 
>> On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 06:17:47 UTC+8 Jim Kramka wrote:
>> Thanks, Ben. I built it up from scratch from a mixture of used and new 
>> parts. I like the simple retro decals on the down and seat tubes. While the 
>> top tube slopes slightly downward toward the rear, the bike still looks 
>> classic. I wish it was lugged, though, like the Rivs. I would have purchased 
>> one of the early Atlantises if I could have afforded one then. I don't feel 
>> the new one, though. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:32 PM Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>> I think the Soma Grand Randonneur is rad and was just about to post "NIce 
>>> BIke!" I was seriously looking at one for a while. 
>>> I think we all appreciate nice, similar bikes, even when not a direct Riv.
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
 On 2/4/2022 1:02 PM, Jim Kramka wrote:
  (I apologize that the model in the photo is not a Riv. I wanted to try 
 650B wheels and low trail geometry without spending a lot on the frame; 
 the Soma fit the bill.)
 
 Jim, Nashville
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[brendonoid]

My commute is 3kms one way basically the same as you. You could just throw 
your backpack you like to use in the Wald basket. It wouldn't get easier 
than that. The convenience of not leaving anything on the bike is great.
Worrying about how a load feels isn't going to be an issue over such a 
short distance, you'll manage even if something isn't ideal.

I work in the clothes I ride in so don't carry that much stuff.

My own current commute setup is a shopsack in a Wald. I use an old small 
saddlesack in winter if I need extra space for wet weather gear or picking 
up groceries on the way home.

On Saturday, 5 February 2022 at 06:17:47 UTC+8 Jim Kramka wrote:

> Thanks, Ben. I built it up from scratch from a mixture of used and new 
> parts. I like the simple retro decals on the down and seat tubes. While the 
> top tube slopes slightly downward toward the rear, the bike still looks 
> classic. I wish it was lugged, though, like the Rivs. I would have 
> purchased one of the early Atlantises if I could have afforded one then. I 
> don't feel the new one, though. 
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:32 PM Ben Adrian  wrote:
>
>> I think the Soma Grand Randonneur is rad and was just about to post "NIce 
>> BIke!" I was seriously looking at one for a while. 
>> I think we all appreciate nice, similar bikes, even when not a direct Riv.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On 2/4/2022 1:02 PM, Jim Kramka wrote:
>>
>>  (I apologize that the model in the photo is not a Riv. I wanted to try 
>> 650B wheels and low trail geometry without spending a lot on the frame; the 
>> Soma fit the bill.)
>>
>> Jim, Nashville
>> [image: IMG_1380.HEIC]
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Jim Kramka]

Frame/fork geometry is important to how a bike responds to the placement of
loads. I've seen work bikes in China with huge loads on the rear and I
assume the pilots of those bikes have pretty definite opinions about where
the load goes! For the Grand Randonneur, I prefer the load up front,
whether in the handlebar bag or in panniers. In my case, I find the bike
handles better with a front load than with no load at all. But maybe that's
because I'm a load all by myself.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm sorry to be so voluble and definitive on the matter, but bike
> commuting and equipment for it are subjects I've spent a lot of time and
> money on and I have formed definite opinions.
>
> My take on f versus rear: It depends on the bike. My last 2
> commuter/errand bikes have had custom rear and front lowrider racks. Of
> these bikes, one was designed by Grant, the other copied from this first,
> so Grant geometry road bikes.
>
> These bikes take heavy loads in the rear better than heavy loads in the
> front. I can carry rear loads (with a stiff rack) up to ~40 lb without
> undue difficulty. On the front, much over 15 lb makes steering stiff, even
> dangerously stiff or unreactive if you do not anticipate the steering
> slowdown.
>
> Also, I can carry lopsided loads in the rear with just minor handling
> awkwardness, but even a 10 lb imbalance in front makes handling very
> awkward. This with lowriders in front.
>
> With low trail geometry, of course, the matter is very different.
>
> And, as an aside that might be of use: IME, stiff rear racks make more
> difference to stable load carrying ability that a stiff frame. The best
> rear load carrying frame I've owned was a racing frame made from
> lightweight, relatively thinwall, small diameter tubing. I carried up to 45
> lb on the rear (on 12 oz rack) without horribly messing up the handling.
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 2:02 PM Jim Kramka  wrote:
>
>> Another vote here for panniers, but on the front instead of the back.
>> Keeping the load up front on the steering access provides more control than
>> loads on the rear or a backpack up high and behind you. Low rider racks for
>> the panniers keep the center of gravity low, too, adding stability. (I
>> apologize that the model in the photo is not a Riv. I wanted to try 650B
>> wheels and low trail geometry without spending a lot on the frame; the Soma
>> fit the bill.)
>>
>> Jim, Nashville
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Ahmed Elgasseir]

I agree with Patrick - depends on the bike and the commute. I commute 25-30
miles roundtrip everyday and have been doing this for the past almost 9
years. I have 3 different bikes for my commute depending on the weather,
what I am bringing, and which route I decide to take. Having said that,
it's always a front rack or rear panniers, and never a backpack.

Ahmed in San Mateo

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 1:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm sorry to be so voluble and definitive on the matter, but bike
> commuting and equipment for it are subjects I've spent a lot of time and
> money on and I have formed definite opinions.
>
> My take on f versus rear: It depends on the bike. My last 2
> commuter/errand bikes have had custom rear and front lowrider racks. Of
> these bikes, one was designed by Grant, the other copied from this first,
> so Grant geometry road bikes.
>
> These bikes take heavy loads in the rear better than heavy loads in the
> front. I can carry rear loads (with a stiff rack) up to ~40 lb without
> undue difficulty. On the front, much over 15 lb makes steering stiff, even
> dangerously stiff or unreactive if you do not anticipate the steering
> slowdown.
>
> Also, I can carry lopsided loads in the rear with just minor handling
> awkwardness, but even a 10 lb imbalance in front makes handling very
> awkward. This with lowriders in front.
>
> With low trail geometry, of course, the matter is very different.
>
> And, as an aside that might be of use: IME, stiff rear racks make more
> difference to stable load carrying ability that a stiff frame. The best
> rear load carrying frame I've owned was a racing frame made from
> lightweight, relatively thinwall, small diameter tubing. I carried up to 45
> lb on the rear (on 12 oz rack) without horribly messing up the handling.
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 2:02 PM Jim Kramka  wrote:
>
>> Another vote here for panniers, but on the front instead of the back.
>> Keeping the load up front on the steering access provides more control than
>> loads on the rear or a backpack up high and behind you. Low rider racks for
>> the panniers keep the center of gravity low, too, adding stability. (I
>> apologize that the model in the photo is not a Riv. I wanted to try 650B
>> wheels and low trail geometry without spending a lot on the frame; the Soma
>> fit the bill.)
>>
>> Jim, Nashville
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Patrick Moore]

I'm sorry to be so voluble and definitive on the matter, but bike commuting
and equipment for it are subjects I've spent a lot of time and money on and
I have formed definite opinions.

My take on f versus rear: It depends on the bike. My last 2 commuter/errand
bikes have had custom rear and front lowrider racks. Of these bikes, one
was designed by Grant, the other copied from this first, so Grant geometry
road bikes.

These bikes take heavy loads in the rear better than heavy loads in the
front. I can carry rear loads (with a stiff rack) up to ~40 lb without
undue difficulty. On the front, much over 15 lb makes steering stiff, even
dangerously stiff or unreactive if you do not anticipate the steering
slowdown.

Also, I can carry lopsided loads in the rear with just minor handling
awkwardness, but even a 10 lb imbalance in front makes handling very
awkward. This with lowriders in front.

With low trail geometry, of course, the matter is very different.

And, as an aside that might be of use: IME, stiff rear racks make more
difference to stable load carrying ability that a stiff frame. The best
rear load carrying frame I've owned was a racing frame made from
lightweight, relatively thinwall, small diameter tubing. I carried up to 45
lb on the rear (on 12 oz rack) without horribly messing up the handling.

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 2:02 PM Jim Kramka  wrote:

> Another vote here for panniers, but on the front instead of the back.
> Keeping the load up front on the steering access provides more control than
> loads on the rear or a backpack up high and behind you. Low rider racks for
> the panniers keep the center of gravity low, too, adding stability. (I
> apologize that the model in the photo is not a Riv. I wanted to try 650B
> wheels and low trail geometry without spending a lot on the frame; the Soma
> fit the bill.)
>
> Jim, Nashville
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Tom Wyland]

In my years of commuting I've used:
1) Milk Crate
2) Wald Basket
3) Panniers
4) Saddle Bag (Riv Large Saddle Sack)

I have one of those cheap packable backpacks 

 
that folds up into its own pocket.  I use it for my work stuff and slide it 
*inside 
*the pannier, basket or saddle bag.  That helps me keep my stuff more 
organized. I also sling it on my back when I'm locking up my bike, etc. . I 
borrowed the idea from a friend, so I can't take credit.  If you use a  
basket I recommend a foam pad for the bottom, though.
For short trips my preference would be a basket.  It stays on the bike, is 
transparent to the wind when empty, and keeps my stuff in view. 

Tom

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Roberta]

I am SO EXCITED and I cannot convey that in my words. When I moved to the 
city, that was my hope--it's been nearly 40 years!  I was car commuting 
about 45 minutes each way and although I didn't mind the time (I got to 
listen to music and podcasts), I did mind the crazy drivers on the road. 

I expect that once the weather warms, my change of clothes will be to 
shorts and I'll take the long (long, long) way home.   :)

Roberta

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 11:31:47 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> You're Stoked! and I'm very happy for you. Being able to bring your bike 
> inside can be a blessing and a curse, what with condensation and such as 
> you see in jolly Philadelphia. I'm fortunate to have a back lot at my job 
> where I can stash my bike behind a locked gate, and as a museum laborer, 
> it's not a huge deal if I'm a little sweaty upon arrival (I keep emergency 
> clothes stashed under my seldom used desk though).
> As for backpacks, throw that thing in the Skoookiill river. 
>
> A Happy Rolling Roberta!
> -Kai
>
>
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
>> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
>> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
>> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
>> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
>> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
>> take the bike into my office.
>>
>> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
>> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
>> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
>> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
>> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>>
>> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Patrick Moore]

I alternated between saddlebags and panniers during years of commuting,
finally deciding that panniers worked better for me, and among the reasons
for this choice is that panniers, at least those I use, are easy to remove
and install and, in addtion -- a big advantage for me -- that you can
"customize" the volume. My rear pannier choices give me a range from
nothing except a rack to 15 liters (single Ortlieb Sports Packer) to 40
liters (pair of older BackRollers).

But there are QR holders for saddlebags too, though not all work with the
horizontal Rivendell bag design or with all saddles.

With QR panniers, like the Ortliebs and the Carradice system -- hell, even
the old hook + bungee system is QR -- it's nice to be able to lock your
bike outside a store, remove the pannier or panniers with a simple pull on
the handles or flick of cams, and trundle into the store with shopping bags
ready for the filling. (As it is, I simply wheel the entire bike into the
store with panniers attached in place of a shopping cart.)

Patrick "And no damned baskets for me!" Moore (who has used f and r baskets
up to the giant Newsboy).

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 9:58 AM Bones  wrote:

> It depends on how much stuff you need to tote. For years now I've been
> quite happy with: front rack, Wald 137, Sackville grabsack, net. I am also
> able to store my bike inside when I get to work, but I stay away from rear
> bags because I do lock up at other places sometimes and I like being able
> to take what's in the basket and leave the bike bare. I keep my lock,
> tools, repair stuff, lunch, etc. in the bag. When I do have to drive to
> work I take the same grabsack, so I never need to rearrange my stuff. If
> you like using your backpack for walking, perhaps you can continue to do
> so, and just throw it in a basket if you decide to ride in.
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Bones]

It depends on how much stuff you need to tote. For years now I've been 
quite happy with: front rack, Wald 137, Sackville grabsack, net. I am also 
able to store my bike inside when I get to work, but I stay away from rear 
bags because I do lock up at other places sometimes and I like being able 
to take what's in the basket and leave the bike bare. I keep my lock, 
tools, repair stuff, lunch, etc. in the bag. When I do have to drive to 
work I take the same grabsack, so I never need to rearrange my stuff. If 
you like using your backpack for walking, perhaps you can continue to do 
so, and just throw it in a basket if you decide to ride in.

Good luck!
Bones

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 11:31:47 AM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> You're Stoked! and I'm very happy for you. Being able to bring your bike 
> inside can be a blessing and a curse, what with condensation and such as 
> you see in jolly Philadelphia. I'm fortunate to have a back lot at my job 
> where I can stash my bike behind a locked gate, and as a museum laborer, 
> it's not a huge deal if I'm a little sweaty upon arrival (I keep emergency 
> clothes stashed under my seldom used desk though).
> As for backpacks, throw that thing in the Skoookiill river. 
>
> A Happy Rolling Roberta!
> -Kai
>
>
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
>> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
>> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
>> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
>> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
>> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
>> take the bike into my office.
>>
>> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
>> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
>> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
>> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
>> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>>
>> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Roberta
>>
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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

You're Stoked! and I'm very happy for you. Being able to bring your bike 
inside can be a blessing and a curse, what with condensation and such as 
you see in jolly Philadelphia. I'm fortunate to have a back lot at my job 
where I can stash my bike behind a locked gate, and as a museum laborer, 
it's not a huge deal if I'm a little sweaty upon arrival (I keep emergency 
clothes stashed under my seldom used desk though).
As for backpacks, throw that thing in the Skoookiill river. 

A Happy Rolling Roberta!
-Kai


On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
> take the bike into my office.
>
> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>
> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Roberta
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[lconley]

I had mine from '67 until about two years ago when I got married and 
started downsizing my junk. I donated it to charity along with the Kirtland 
Tour Pak front and rear panniers and handlebar bag that I bought so that I 
didn't need to use the Yucca. I think I still have the Blackburn front rack.

Laing

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 11:11:19 AM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Laing, its been a long time since I heard mention of the Boy Scout Yucca 
> Pack, I still have mine fromthe early 60’s. Hasn’t been used since then. 
> Some thimgs I just can’t get rid of. Steve 
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:01 PM lconley  wrote:
>
>> I haven't used a backpack on a bicycle since I rode 120 miles from from 
>> Gainesville to Daytona Beach with my Boy Scout Yucca backpack and swore off 
>> ever cycling with a backpack again (this was in the 70s). For a commuter, I 
>> use a basket on the front with a stretch net. I also have one of those foam 
>> camping cushions in the bottom of the basket - keep the U-lock from banging 
>> around.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
>>> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
>>> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
>>> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
>>> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
>>> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
>>> take the bike into my office.
>>>
>>> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What 
>>> do you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not 
>>> not sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag 
>>> (I have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the 
>>> back of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>>>
>>> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other 
>>> suggestions?
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Steven Sweedler]

Laing, its been a long time since I heard mention of the Boy Scout Yucca
Pack, I still have mine fromthe early 60’s. Hasn’t been used since then.
Some thimgs I just can’t get rid of. Steve

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:01 PM lconley  wrote:

> I haven't used a backpack on a bicycle since I rode 120 miles from from
> Gainesville to Daytona Beach with my Boy Scout Yucca backpack and swore off
> ever cycling with a backpack again (this was in the 70s). For a commuter, I
> use a basket on the front with a stretch net. I also have one of those foam
> camping cushions in the bottom of the basket - keep the U-lock from banging
> around.
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I
>> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been
>> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain,
>> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day,
>> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.
>> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can
>> take the bike into my office.
>>
>> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do
>> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not
>> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I
>> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back
>> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>>
>> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[lconley]

I haven't used a backpack on a bicycle since I rode 120 miles from from 
Gainesville to Daytona Beach with my Boy Scout Yucca backpack and swore off 
ever cycling with a backpack again (this was in the 70s). For a commuter, I 
use a basket on the front with a stretch net. I also have one of those foam 
camping cushions in the bottom of the basket - keep the U-lock from banging 
around.

Laing

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:33:29 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
> take the bike into my office.
>
> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>
> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: I'm a New Bike Commuter

[Ben Mihovk]

Greetings!
I commute maybe 75% of the time (negative windchills, rain, and messy snowy 
streets put me in the car) and it's about 3 miles for me. 

I LOVE my Slimsucker...fits my laptop, some books, extra layers, a lunch if 
I need to squeeze it in, etc... Perfect. I also have a Mark's rack up front 
that I put a basket on with voile straps when I need to stop at the store. 
I have a rear rack on my commuter (Atlantis) that I haven't used since I 
got the Slimsucker, but if I have something heavy to carry, I can throw my 
basket on the rear rack and it can do up to 40 pounds I think. 

For your carrying needs, I think you could get away with a bigger saddle 
bag (Baggabond or Happisack) if you're carrying shoes. Maybe even a 
Bike-a-bag (is that what the pannier is called?). 

Have fun!
Ben in Omaha 

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 8:33:29 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> After living in the city for decades, my company moved its office and I 
> can finally bike or walk commute--just under 2 miles each way.   I've been 
> varying my method based on the weather (I don't like riding in the rain, 
> snow or ice) and both are fabulous ways to start and end the day, 
> physically and mentally.  Most of the ride is on streets with bike lanes.  
> I'll be riding one of my two step-through's--Platypus or She-Devil.  I can 
> take the bike into my office.
>
> I like using a backpack for walking, but not sure about riding.   What do 
> you use for a short commuter trips--backpack (current preference, not not 
> sure how hot I'll find it in the warmer months), pannier or saddle bag (I 
> have a Riv Small Saddlesack).  I have rack or rack and basket on the back 
> of each bike. I'll be carrying lunch, a change of clothes and shoes.
>
> I have lots of lights and reflectors on the bikes.  Any other suggestions?
>
> Roberta
>

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