[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Jason Fuller]

Pretty ironically, this thread inspired me to order up a Losco bar for my 
Raleigh Twenty. That bike doesn't carry a front load, so I think they'll 
work nice.  

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Joe Bernard]

I rode the prototype ToscoMoose at RBW a couple years ago, it's perfect. If 
I didn't already have the also perfect Boscos on my Rivs I would get one. 



On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 1:44:01 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Just found out about the ToscoMooses. Word is there'll be three widths of 
> Toscos (Taiwan Boscos) available soon, maybe at anchor off the California 
> coast! Hopefully some superwide mooses, that would be lovely.
> -Kai
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> Rofl, my bad I missed it not you. I meant *TOSCO*. Reading comprehension 
>> fail on my part.
>>
>> --Ed C.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:59:09 AM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> Bullmoose Loscos!? That's a thing? How did I miss that? And where? Just 
>>> to be sure, are you possibly referring to the Chocomooses?
>>> Thanks
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 2:52:43 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>
 I have the bullmoose Loscos on my Gus so the flex is actually 
 comfortable for me. And I do prefer the flare and width of the Losco over 
 the Bosco since I have wide shoulders. One nit though: I don't like how 
 short the grip area is relative to the Nittos.

 I have the Billies on my Homer with an 11cm stem and I also find them a 
 bit flexy when holding on the ends. Mostly an issue when standing up to 
 pedal: just need to remember to move my hands forward over the brake 
 levers 
 before mashing the pedals. I can see how flex would be a problem if I 
 loaded up the bike.

 --Ed C.

 On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:

> I left him by the creek…. 
> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked 
> the upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but 
> it 
> has Albatross handle bars. 
> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they 
> were flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
>
> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
> Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The 
> clamp 
> diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars 
> will 
> not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The 
> reach is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my 
> upper 
> body straighter. 
>
> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions 
> and if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 
>
> I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 
>
> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area 
> and there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday 
> for a month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 
>
> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on 
> the car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We 
> spent the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
>
> Cheers!



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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Just found out about the ToscoMooses. Word is there'll be three widths of 
Toscos (Taiwan Boscos) available soon, maybe at anchor off the California 
coast! Hopefully some superwide mooses, that would be lovely.
-Kai

On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 11:45:10 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Rofl, my bad I missed it not you. I meant *TOSCO*. Reading comprehension 
> fail on my part.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:59:09 AM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
> NY wrote:
>
>> Bullmoose Loscos!? That's a thing? How did I miss that? And where? Just 
>> to be sure, are you possibly referring to the Chocomooses?
>> Thanks
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 2:52:43 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> I have the bullmoose Loscos on my Gus so the flex is actually 
>>> comfortable for me. And I do prefer the flare and width of the Losco over 
>>> the Bosco since I have wide shoulders. One nit though: I don't like how 
>>> short the grip area is relative to the Nittos.
>>>
>>> I have the Billies on my Homer with an 11cm stem and I also find them a 
>>> bit flexy when holding on the ends. Mostly an issue when standing up to 
>>> pedal: just need to remember to move my hands forward over the brake levers 
>>> before mashing the pedals. I can see how flex would be a problem if I 
>>> loaded up the bike.
>>>
>>> --Ed C.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I left him by the creek…. 
 Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked 
 the upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it 
 has Albatross handle bars. 
 I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they 
 were flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 

 I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
 Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp 
 diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars 
 will 
 not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
 I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The 
 reach is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper 
 body straighter. 

 Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions 
 and if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 

 I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 

 The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area 
 and there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday 
 for a month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 

 I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the 
 car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent 
 the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 

 Cheers!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta, 
 Riv had built my Hunqapillar up with the Crystal Fellow seat post and 
11cm Tallux stem and Albatross bars. I later switched seat posts to the 
Lugged, giving me about 20mm additional setback, and switched to a 12cm 
Nitto NP stem moving my Albatross bars about 30mm forward and 40mm lower. 
My Albas are still about 50mm higher than my saddle. 

I haven't found any bars I like as much as the Albas, but it took quite a 
bit of tweaking and cash to make sure they were the bars I wanted to stick 
with.

John

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 6:07:34 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> All very interesting.  I'm going to start with the Losco's first since 
> there's more real estate on that bar.  
>
> I have an Albatross bar on my Homer and love it!  So, I put one on my Joe 
> A and really disliked it!  I swapped out Joe's Albatross back to the 
> original Choco-moose bar and love it again.  Twp Albatross bars, two bikes 
> and totally different opinion.  (I actually suspect it wasn't the Albatross 
> bar on the Joe A that I was reacting to but the too short stem I used with 
> it).
>
> Brett, love your Atlantis in it's "natural" outfit!  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 6:42:00 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>
>>Never tried the Losco bars, but I liked the stiffness of the bullmoose 
>> bosco bars, and not the flex of the regular bosco bars, especially when 
>> pedaling standing up out the saddle, and both versions made for a very 
>> cramped cockpit. But then I'm most comfortable on my Hunqapillar with a 
>> long stem and a the Nitto lugged seat post.
>>
>> And when I have a front load, I found bars with a grip closer to the load 
>> makes for easier handling, like my albatross bars on a 12cm long stem 
>> gripped up near the curves, but YMMV cause everyone's different.
>>
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Ed Carolipio]

Rofl, my bad I missed it not you. I meant *TOSCO*. Reading comprehension 
fail on my part.

--Ed C.

On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 7:59:09 AM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Bullmoose Loscos!? That's a thing? How did I miss that? And where? Just to 
> be sure, are you possibly referring to the Chocomooses?
> Thanks
> -Kai
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 2:52:43 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> I have the bullmoose Loscos on my Gus so the flex is actually comfortable 
>> for me. And I do prefer the flare and width of the Losco over the Bosco 
>> since I have wide shoulders. One nit though: I don't like how short the 
>> grip area is relative to the Nittos.
>>
>> I have the Billies on my Homer with an 11cm stem and I also find them a 
>> bit flexy when holding on the ends. Mostly an issue when standing up to 
>> pedal: just need to remember to move my hands forward over the brake levers 
>> before mashing the pedals. I can see how flex would be a problem if I 
>> loaded up the bike.
>>
>> --Ed C.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I left him by the creek…. 
>>> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked 
>>> the upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it 
>>> has Albatross handle bars. 
>>> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they were 
>>> flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
>>>
>>> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
>>> Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp 
>>> diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars will 
>>> not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
>>> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The reach 
>>> is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper body 
>>> straighter. 
>>>
>>> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions 
>>> and if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 
>>>
>>> I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 
>>>
>>> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area 
>>> and there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday 
>>> for a month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 
>>>
>>> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the 
>>> car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent 
>>> the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Bullmoose Loscos!? That's a thing? How did I miss that? And where? Just to 
be sure, are you possibly referring to the Chocomooses?
Thanks
-Kai

On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 2:52:43 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> I have the bullmoose Loscos on my Gus so the flex is actually comfortable 
> for me. And I do prefer the flare and width of the Losco over the Bosco 
> since I have wide shoulders. One nit though: I don't like how short the 
> grip area is relative to the Nittos.
>
> I have the Billies on my Homer with an 11cm stem and I also find them a 
> bit flexy when holding on the ends. Mostly an issue when standing up to 
> pedal: just need to remember to move my hands forward over the brake levers 
> before mashing the pedals. I can see how flex would be a problem if I 
> loaded up the bike.
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I left him by the creek…. 
>> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked 
>> the upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it 
>> has Albatross handle bars. 
>> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they were 
>> flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
>>
>> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
>> Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp 
>> diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars will 
>> not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
>> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The reach 
>> is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper body 
>> straighter. 
>>
>> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions 
>> and if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 
>>
>> I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 
>>
>> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area and 
>> there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday for a 
>> month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 
>>
>> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the 
>> car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent 
>> the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Ed Carolipio]

I have the bullmoose Loscos on my Gus so the flex is actually comfortable 
for me. And I do prefer the flare and width of the Losco over the Bosco 
since I have wide shoulders. One nit though: I don't like how short the 
grip area is relative to the Nittos.

I have the Billies on my Homer with an 11cm stem and I also find them a bit 
flexy when holding on the ends. Mostly an issue when standing up to pedal: 
just need to remember to move my hands forward over the brake levers before 
mashing the pedals. I can see how flex would be a problem if I loaded up 
the bike.

--Ed C.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:

> I left him by the creek….
> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked the 
> upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it has 
> Albatross handle bars.
> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they were 
> flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
>
> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
> Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp 
> diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars will 
> not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The reach 
> is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper body 
> straighter. 
>
> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions and 
> if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds.
>
> I will post a photo when the parts get put on.
>
> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area and 
> there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday for a 
> month and never see the kind of stuff posted here.
>
> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the 
> car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent 
> the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
>
> Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Jason Fuller]

Meanwhile I was reading about how flexy they are and it was selling me on 
wanting Losco's more than I already did!  I like the idea of as much 
built-in suspension as I can get, provided the steering is still precise 
enough. 

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Roberta]

All very interesting.  I'm going to start with the Losco's first since 
there's more real estate on that bar.  

I have an Albatross bar on my Homer and love it!  So, I put one on my Joe A 
and really disliked it!  I swapped out Joe's Albatross back to the original 
Choco-moose bar and love it again.  Twp Albatross bars, two bikes and 
totally different opinion.  (I actually suspect it wasn't the Albatross bar 
on the Joe A that I was reacting to but the too short stem I used with it).

Brett, love your Atlantis in it's "natural" outfit!  



On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 6:42:00 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:

>Never tried the Losco bars, but I liked the stiffness of the bullmoose 
> bosco bars, and not the flex of the regular bosco bars, especially when 
> pedaling standing up out the saddle, and both versions made for a very 
> cramped cockpit. But then I'm most comfortable on my Hunqapillar with a 
> long stem and a the Nitto lugged seat post.
>
> And when I have a front load, I found bars with a grip closer to the load 
> makes for easier handling, like my albatross bars on a 12cm long stem 
> gripped up near the curves, but YMMV cause everyone's different.
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   Never tried the Losco bars, but I liked the stiffness of the bullmoose 
bosco bars, and not the flex of the regular bosco bars, especially when 
pedaling standing up out the saddle, and both versions made for a very 
cramped cockpit. But then I'm most comfortable on my Hunqapillar with a 
long stem and a the Nitto lugged seat post.

And when I have a front load, I found bars with a grip closer to the load 
makes for easier handling, like my albatross bars on a 12cm long stem 
gripped up near the curves, but YMMV cause everyone's different.

John

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[spencer robinson]

I agree with Joe, I think you will like them Roberta. 

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 4:30:59 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Roberta,
>
> One person's "too flexy" is another person's "absorbs some road 
> vibration", I wouldn't worry too much. I didn't notice any difference in 
> stiffness feel between it and the Boscos I ride. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> James and Brett.
>>
>> I got a LOSCO from a forum member for my soon (where soon is defined as 
>> sometime this spring) to be Platypus.  Now I'm a bit nervous.  Is it that 
>> you ride your bikes "rougher and heavier" that makes the difference?  What 
>> about someone like me who will just go riding around town,  with some "as 
>> fast as I can go" rides, and only a handlebar bag (Carradice Zipped Roll) 
>> up front?
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> James, your experience with the Losco was similar to my experience with 
>>> the Billie bars. I found the Billie's and an 11CM stem on my Atlantis to be 
>>> too flexy when carrying a load. I ended up going back to albatross bars on 
>>> a slightly shorter stem. A little flex was fine, but it was just too much, 
>>> especially on a heavy bike. I've been tempted to try out the Loscos or 
>>> Toscos on a lighter bike where I don't carry a front load. 
>>>
>>> Brett in PDX
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I left him by the creek…. 
 Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked 
 the upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it 
 has Albatross handle bars. 
 I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they 
 were flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 

 I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
 Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp 
 diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars 
 will 
 not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
 I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The 
 reach is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper 
 body straighter. 

 Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions 
 and if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 

 I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 

 The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area 
 and there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday 
 for a month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 

 I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the 
 car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent 
 the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 

 Cheers!
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[James Valiensi]

Its like toe-clip overlap - its no big deal, unless it kills you...

> On Feb 23, 2021, at 1:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Roberta,
> 
> One person's "too flexy" is another person's "absorbs some road vibration", I 
> wouldn't worry too much. I didn't notice any difference in stiffness feel 
> between it and the Boscos I ride. 
> 
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
> James and Brett.
> 
> I got a LOSCO from a forum member for my soon (where soon is defined as 
> sometime this spring) to be Platypus.  Now I'm a bit nervous.  Is it that you 
> ride your bikes "rougher and heavier" that makes the difference?  What about 
> someone like me who will just go riding around town,  with some "as fast as I 
> can go" rides, and only a handlebar bag (Carradice Zipped Roll) up front?
> 
> Roberta
> 
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> James, your experience with the Losco was similar to my experience with the 
> Billie bars. I found the Billie's and an 11CM stem on my Atlantis to be too 
> flexy when carrying a load. I ended up going back to albatross bars on a 
> slightly shorter stem. A little flex was fine, but it was just too much, 
> especially on a heavy bike. I've been tempted to try out the Loscos or Toscos 
> on a lighter bike where I don't carry a front load. 
> 
> Brett in PDX
> 
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
> I left him by the creek…. 
> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked the 
> upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it has 
> Albatross handle bars. 
> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they were 
> flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
> 
> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm Nitto 
> FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp diameter 
> is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars will not flex 
> as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The reach is 
> slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper body 
> straighter. 
> 
> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions and if 
> you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 
> 
> I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 
> 
> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area and 
> there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday for a 
> month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 
> 
> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the car 
> rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent the next 
> 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Joe Bernard]

Roberta,

One person's "too flexy" is another person's "absorbs some road vibration", 
I wouldn't worry too much. I didn't notice any difference in stiffness feel 
between it and the Boscos I ride. 

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> James and Brett.
>
> I got a LOSCO from a forum member for my soon (where soon is defined as 
> sometime this spring) to be Platypus.  Now I'm a bit nervous.  Is it that 
> you ride your bikes "rougher and heavier" that makes the difference?  What 
> about someone like me who will just go riding around town,  with some "as 
> fast as I can go" rides, and only a handlebar bag (Carradice Zipped Roll) 
> up front?
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> James, your experience with the Losco was similar to my experience with 
>> the Billie bars. I found the Billie's and an 11CM stem on my Atlantis to be 
>> too flexy when carrying a load. I ended up going back to albatross bars on 
>> a slightly shorter stem. A little flex was fine, but it was just too much, 
>> especially on a heavy bike. I've been tempted to try out the Loscos or 
>> Toscos on a lighter bike where I don't carry a front load. 
>>
>> Brett in PDX
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I left him by the creek…. 
>>> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked 
>>> the upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it 
>>> has Albatross handle bars. 
>>> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they were 
>>> flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
>>>
>>> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
>>> Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp 
>>> diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars will 
>>> not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
>>> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The reach 
>>> is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper body 
>>> straighter. 
>>>
>>> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions 
>>> and if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 
>>>
>>> I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 
>>>
>>> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area 
>>> and there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday 
>>> for a month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 
>>>
>>> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the 
>>> car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent 
>>> the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[James Valiensi]

I notice the flex from normal riding. I do not ride “loaded” other than my fat 
ass. I’m not sure how a loaded bike would impart more force to the handle bar, 
if loads are not placed on the bar.
Hit a few bumps and I feel it moving. I have the longest Nitto forged stem I 
could get (130mm) That may contribute to it. But the Joe A has the same stem 
and with the Albatross it does not flex. But perhaps more of the stem is in the 
steerer tube.
I’ve done a few hundred happy miles with the LOSCO and I just decided to 
change. 

I’d say try it, you may like it. 

> On Feb 23, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> James and Brett.
> 
> I got a LOSCO from a forum member for my soon (where soon is defined as 
> sometime this spring) to be Platypus.  Now I'm a bit nervous.  Is it that you 
> ride your bikes "rougher and heavier" that makes the difference?  What about 
> someone like me who will just go riding around town,  with some "as fast as I 
> can go" rides, and only a handlebar bag (Carradice Zipped Roll) up front?
> 
> Roberta
> 
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:
> James, your experience with the Losco was similar to my experience with the 
> Billie bars. I found the Billie's and an 11CM stem on my Atlantis to be too 
> flexy when carrying a load. I ended up going back to albatross bars on a 
> slightly shorter stem. A little flex was fine, but it was just too much, 
> especially on a heavy bike. I've been tempted to try out the Loscos or Toscos 
> on a lighter bike where I don't carry a front load. 
> 
> Brett in PDX
> 
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
> I left him by the creek…. 
> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked the 
> upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it has 
> Albatross handle bars. 
> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they were 
> flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
> 
> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm Nitto 
> FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp diameter 
> is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars will not flex 
> as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The reach is 
> slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper body 
> straighter. 
> 
> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions and if 
> you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 
> 
> I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 
> 
> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area and 
> there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday for a 
> month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 
> 
> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the car 
> rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent the next 
> 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Roberta]

James and Brett.

I got a LOSCO from a forum member for my soon (where soon is defined as 
sometime this spring) to be Platypus.  Now I'm a bit nervous.  Is it that 
you ride your bikes "rougher and heavier" that makes the difference?  What 
about someone like me who will just go riding around town,  with some "as 
fast as I can go" rides, and only a handlebar bag (Carradice Zipped Roll) 
up front?

Roberta

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> James, your experience with the Losco was similar to my experience with 
> the Billie bars. I found the Billie's and an 11CM stem on my Atlantis to be 
> too flexy when carrying a load. I ended up going back to albatross bars on 
> a slightly shorter stem. A little flex was fine, but it was just too much, 
> especially on a heavy bike. I've been tempted to try out the Loscos or 
> Toscos on a lighter bike where I don't carry a front load. 
>
> Brett in PDX
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I left him by the creek…. 
>> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked 
>> the upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it 
>> has Albatross handle bars. 
>> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they were 
>> flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
>>
>> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
>> Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp 
>> diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars will 
>> not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
>> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The reach 
>> is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper body 
>> straighter. 
>>
>> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions 
>> and if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds. 
>>
>> I will post a photo when the parts get put on. 
>>
>> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area and 
>> there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday for a 
>> month and never see the kind of stuff posted here. 
>>
>> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the 
>> car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent 
>> the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: I decided to ditch LOSCO

[Brett Callahan]

James, your experience with the Losco was similar to my experience with the 
Billie bars. I found the Billie's and an 11CM stem on my Atlantis to be too 
flexy when carrying a load. I ended up going back to albatross bars on a 
slightly shorter stem. A little flex was fine, but it was just too much, 
especially on a heavy bike. I've been tempted to try out the Loscos or 
Toscos on a lighter bike where I don't carry a front load. 

Brett in PDX

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 5:37:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:

> I left him by the creek….
> Actually, I put LOSCO bars on my Riv custom road frame. I really liked the 
> upright position and the width of the bars. I also have a Joe A but it has 
> Albatross handle bars.
> I found the LOSCO bars to be too flexible. I was never sure if they were 
> flexing or slipping in the stem. It was a bit disconcerting. 
>
> I need to have my bars higher than I am used too. I ordered a new 60mm 
> Nitto FacePlater stem and a Rene Herse Maes parallel handle bar. The clamp 
> diameter is 31,8mm. The bigger diameter is a stiffer tube and the bars will 
> not flex as much as 25.4 or 26mm bars would. 
> I hope the bars will be an inch or two higher than the saddle. The reach 
> is slightly shorter than I used before, and that help keeps my upper body 
> straighter. 
>
> Traditional shaped bars have some advantages, like many hand positions and 
> if you have them high enough one can use the drops for the headwinds.
>
> I will post a photo when the parts get put on.
>
> The folks here sure have beautiful bikes. I ride in the north LA area and 
> there is no shortage of bike riders out here. But I can ride everyday for a 
> month and never see the kind of stuff posted here.
>
> I was fixing a friends Rivendell and as we were loading his bike on the 
> car rack a doordash guy came by and said “That’s a Rivendell!”. We spent 
> the next 20-min talking about it and Rivendell bikes. 
>
> Cheers!

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