[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[tc]

I ordered a Jones Loop and also installed a Nitto UI-12 stem with a 60mm 
reach and love it!  Cables now need to be shortened, and grips added, but 
man it really transformed the Clem from a toodler to a more performance 
oriented, but still very comfortable machine.

Pictures here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/toG73SUOZ0HMe1tw1

On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Can anyone share their experience driving a Clem H or Appa or Yves Gomez 
> with a Jones Loop or Bend H-Bar?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Ash]

I tried 2.5 Loop my Appa for two weeks and then gave it up.
 
Now I have Bosco and quite happy with it.

In the past I've tried ChocoMoose, Alba and a few other alt bars.

I'd have enjoyed Jones if my peddling effort were to be heavier.

My ride is 60% with slightly extra effort, 30% completely  relaxed (this is 
when I like to be fully upright) an 10% of the times pushing hard.

Of all the bars I've tried (about 7 so far), Bosco gives the most real 
estate, which makes multiple positions possible.  



On Saturday, 3 February 2018 09:11:00 UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Can anyone share their experience driving a Clem H or Appa or Yves Gomez 
> with a Jones Loop or Bend H-Bar?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Clayton.sf]

I have found 31.8 bars to slip less at same torque values than 26 or 25.4. 
Maybe a function or greater surface area being clamped? While I don't care much 
about the stiffness gains, less slipping is welcome. For extra bad cases some 
friction paste usually sold for carbon bits helps.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Irving]

I got the 90mm but am rethinking that maybe 80mm may have been the better 
choice. I haven't had any issues with the 2 bolts or the stem flexing but 
have only tested it on a short singletrack and off road loop this weekend. 
I supposed the 4 bolt Nitto quill 31.8 is more secure but it's much shorter 
so you'll have to determine if it has enough extension for you.



On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 10:42:46 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Cool, Irging!  What length reach did you get?  Have you had it long enough 
> to experience or speculate if the 2 bolts are sufficient to lock those bars 
> down during rougher riding?
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 12:47:08 PM UTC-5, Irving wrote:
>>
>> I put on the VO quill stem (get the nickel! it's really purty) and some 
>> Jones H-Bars on my Hunqapillar and it has been FUN 
>> 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[tc]

Cool, Irging!  What length reach did you get?  Have you had it long enough 
to experience or speculate if the 2 bolts are sufficient to lock those bars 
down during rougher riding?

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 12:47:08 PM UTC-5, Irving wrote:
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> I put on the VO quill stem (get the nickel! it's really purty) and some 
> Jones H-Bars on my Hunqapillar and it has been FUN 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Joe Bernard]

Nice! I love those grey/kidney bean Hunqas.

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Irving]

I put on the VO quill stem (get the nickel! it's really purty) and some 
Jones H-Bars on my Hunqapillar and it has been FUN 


On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Yep, true.  The shortest reach/extension offered on the Nitto UI-12 is a 
> 60, and from there they go up by 10mm increments to a 120.  The column is 
> only 140mm tall, so you'd have to want the bars sorta low.
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 12:49:49 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Yes, those quill open-clamp designs will work if you can find one short 
>> enough. Jones Bikes are designed to work with that bar on a shorty stem, 
>> and my Clem L had the same cockpit parameters. The only way I was getting a 
>> 40cm stem was to go threadless. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[tc]

Yep, true.  The shortest reach/extension offered on the Nitto UI-12 is a 
60, and from there they go up by 10mm increments to a 120.  The column is 
only 140mm tall, so you'd have to want the bars sorta low.

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 12:49:49 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yes, those quill open-clamp designs will work if you can find one short 
> enough. Jones Bikes are designed to work with that bar on a shorty stem, 
> and my Clem L had the same cockpit parameters. The only way I was getting a 
> 40cm stem was to go threadless. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Dale Click]

This must be an “all-rounder” bar for me.  No single track anymore, but
anything else is fair game.  My noodles have sufficed for everything so
far, but I’m looking at options. I like the out on the hoods position for
longer rides, and try to change hand placement often even though I
currently have no hand issues.

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 12:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Yes, those quill open-clamp designs will work if you can find one short
> enough. Jones Bikes are designed to work with that bar on a shorty stem,
> and my Clem L had the same cockpit parameters. The only way I was getting a
> 40cm stem was to go threadless.
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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, those quill open-clamp designs will work if you can find one short enough. 
Jones Bikes are designed to work with that bar on a shorty stem, and my Clem L 
had the same cockpit parameters. The only way I was getting a 40cm stem was to 
go threadless. 

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[tc]

Agree, Joe.  The Jones Loop H-Bar's beauty (well, some say it's ugly) is 
the number of realistic and comfortable hand positions ... while giving 
very confident control on or off road.  I also like the convenience that 
the Jones H-Bar Pack 
 (made by 
Revelate) offers.

Researching this morning I found that, in addition to the VO 31.8 stem 
options, there are quite a few others -- both  2- and 4-bold designs -- 
like the 4-bolt Nitto UI-12.

[image: Nitto UI-12 Quill Stem]


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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Joe Bernard]

Rusty, it depends on what kind of riding you'll be doing. Albatross is a nice 
city bar for cruising, but you better like the upright position near the ends 
'cause that's realistically the only one available. I've used them a bunch and 
like them, but I don't recommend going on a long, wind-blown ride with Albas 
and they're just about useless on sketchy downhill dirt sections. 

Loop is the business for long, mixed-terrain rides because the hand positions 
give you options for gripping at the ends like Alba; moving forward to stretch 
out and get lower in the wind; and having a more secure, controlled grip for 
dirt downhills. 

The last - and very important consideration - is how you feel about the looks 
and stem requirements. I originally intended to put my Loop 2.5 cockpit on my 
new Cheviot, but I made a conscious decision to focus this bike as a townie 
2-speed with a specific look..I opted for a long quill Nitto stem and 
flipped-and-chopped Choco bars. This setup looks and works great for how I ride 
this bike, but I wouldn't want to tour or hit singletrack with it. 

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Rusty Click]

Joe, I was thinking about the Jones for the upcoming Atlantis build.  What 
do you think of that, versus the Albatross?

On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:07:01 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I had the riser 2.5 Loop (660mm) on my Clem L and really liked it. Clems 
> have long (virtual) toptubes commensurate to seattube size so I used a 
> shorty 40cm Thomson stem on a V-O quill adapter. 
>
> I was just pondering last night that I should sell the cockpit because I 
> sold the Clem and currently don't have a bike to put this bar on. If you 
> think you might want to try one without paying full pop for new, PM me or 
> text at 415 seven eight six 46 two three and I'll send pics of it off the 
> bike. 
>
> Here's pics on the Clem.
>   https://photos.app.goo.gl/QDiNsiAcGmMVxmTy1 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Jay Connolly]

I had the Jones on my Appaloosa and loved it. When I bought a Clem L, I moved 
the bar to that bike and put a Noodle bar on the Joe, but I’m a tinkerer, so 
I’ll probably go back one of these days.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Joe Bernard]

The Surly may be similar to the original Jones, but not the current Loop. Loop 
has hand positions near the stem and far forward, as well as the standard grip 
position on the ends. There's any number of cheaper bars out there if you just 
want the ends position. 

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[a spens]

Alternatively, you might consider a much cheaper option to try the Surly 
Open Bar  ( https://surlybikes.com/parts/handlebars/open_bar  )  I 
installed one on my Clem and really like it.  It's very similar to the 
original Jones bar in sweep angle and length but with 25.4 clamp diameter. 
I considered he V-O set up, but the swap is quite a bit more involved and 
more expensive for not much gained (IMHO). I could take a pic of the two 
bars superimposed on each other for comparison, if helpful.
Al





On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 9:27:27 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Thanks all!  Sweet bikes.  Got a grilver 59 clem h today and can't wait to 
> play around with diff bars.  The VO threadless stem adapter + stem with 
> removable faceplate is a smart-lookin solution.
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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[tc]

Thanks all!  Sweet bikes.  Got a grilver 59 clem h today and can't wait to 
play around with diff bars.  The VO threadless stem adapter + stem with 
removable faceplate is a smart-lookin solution.

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Ah.  Perfect.  I knew there had to be something like that out there 
somewhere but, until now, was too lazy to track it down.  I'll shoot VO an 
order in the morning.
Many thanks,
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA

On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:00:14 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Velo orange now makes a quill stem with a 31.8mmm bar clamp and a 
> removable faceplate. That is what I used to mount the Loop bars on my Clem. 
> As Joe said, the other way to do it would be a threadless stem on a quill 
> to threadless adapter.

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Jeremy Till]

Velo orange now makes a quill stem with a 31.8mmm bar clamp and a removable 
faceplate. That is what I used to mount the Loop bars on my Clem. As Joe said, 
the other way to do it would be a threadless stem on a quill to threadless 
adapter.

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Joe Bernard]

Kevin, if you zoom in on my Clem you can see that black threadless stem (I know 
it's ugly, I replaced with a nice shiney Thomson) mounted on top of a 
Velo-Orange quill adapter. It's this thing: 
https://velo-orange.com/products/vo-threadless-stem-adaptor

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

[Kevin Lindsey]

I've been looking at the Loop for my Hunqapillar, but can't figure out how 
to get it onto a quill stem.  I'm assuming you can't do that for a Loop, 
but how did you guys replace your stems with threadless ones? 
Thanks,
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA


On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:07:01 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I had the riser 2.5 Loop (660mm) on my Clem L and really liked it. Clems 
> have long (virtual) toptubes commensurate to seattube size so I used a 
> shorty 40cm Thomson stem on a V-O quill adapter. 
>
> I was just pondering last night that I should sell the cockpit because I 
> sold the Clem and currently don't have a bike to put this bar on. If you 
> think you might want to try one without paying full pop for new, PM me or 
> text at 415 seven eight six 46 two three and I'll send pics of it off the 
> bike. 
>
> Here's pics on the Clem.
>   https://photos.app.goo.gl/QDiNsiAcGmMVxmTy1 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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