[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Conway Bennett]

Throw some Canti posts on the Roadini while they are brazing, and I'm a 
buyer.

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:04:26 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
> *Lugged 
> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>
> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think it 
> might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the CHG, 
> Grant lists them as coming in September.
>
> Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Joe Bernard]

Doug, 

My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
who will be thrilled with this news. 

Joe Bernard 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
> *Lugged 
> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>
> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think it 
> might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the CHG, 
> Grant lists them as coming in September.
>
> Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Doug H.]

Joe,
Glad you corrected me on that one. I know Grant prefers lugs so makes 
sense. And, yes, we know someone waiting patiently for the Charlie Gallup! 
Or, not so patiently...
Doug

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, 
>
> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
> ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
> CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
> than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
> who will be thrilled with this news. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>> *Lugged 
>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>
>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Johnny Alien]

I think the Gallop is going to be fully lugged correct? The geometry is 
probably pretty close through the iterations but visually its very 
different than how it started. Its been quite some time since they offered 
a fully lugged road frame I standard production. I prefer the swoop and 
canti posts BUT it looks really nice and I still appreciate the angled top 
tube. They say its designed for sweptback but can handle drops. I think 
they should just lean in hard one way or the other. I have mine set up with 
sweptback because I feel like thats where it was supposed to go. But also 
interesting is that means there is no road focused drop by bike in the 
standard lineup. At least not designed to be so. I think that the Gallop 
and Roadini could co-exist with the Roadini being more affordable and 100% 
road focused with drops. I don't think thats what is happening though, I 
think the Roadini is goin away for now.


On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:06:38 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Throw some Canti posts on the Roadini while they are brazing, and I'm a 
> buyer.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:04:26 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>> *Lugged 
>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>
>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Johnny Alien]

Man I wish I could edit posts here. My typing is terrible and my review 
skills are poor.

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:26:24 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I think the Gallop is going to be fully lugged correct? The geometry is 
> probably pretty close through the iterations but visually its very 
> different than how it started. Its been quite some time since they offered 
> a fully lugged road frame I standard production. I prefer the swoop and 
> canti posts BUT it looks really nice and I still appreciate the angled top 
> tube. They say its designed for sweptback but can handle drops. I think 
> they should just lean in hard one way or the other. I have mine set up with 
> sweptback because I feel like thats where it was supposed to go. But also 
> interesting is that means there is no road focused drop by bike in the 
> standard lineup. At least not designed to be so. I think that the Gallop 
> and Roadini could co-exist with the Roadini being more affordable and 100% 
> road focused with drops. I don't think thats what is happening though, I 
> think the Roadini is goin away for now.
>
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:06:38 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Throw some Canti posts on the Roadini while they are brazing, and I'm a 
>> buyer.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:04:26 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>>> *Lugged 
>>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>>
>>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Johnny Alien]

Waitlugged Roadini?? I thought you just messed up and meant Susie. 
There is a lugged Roadini coming? Has that been discussed before?

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Doug H.]

I hope I'm not spreading misinformation but in Grant's latest Blahg he 
mentions a Lugged Roadini in October. Does that mean fully lugged? It think 
so but not 100% sure. This Blahg is loaded with good stuff too if you 
haven't seen it check it out.
Doug

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:29:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Waitlugged Roadini?? I thought you just messed up and meant Susie. 
> There is a lugged Roadini coming? Has that been discussed before?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Johnny Alien]

You are not. I just peeked again and thats 100% what it says.

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:33:35 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I hope I'm not spreading misinformation but in Grant's latest Blahg he 
> mentions a Lugged Roadini in October. Does that mean fully lugged? It think 
> so but not 100% sure. This Blahg is loaded with good stuff too if you 
> haven't seen it check it out.
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:29:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Waitlugged Roadini?? I thought you just messed up and meant Susie. 
>> There is a lugged Roadini coming? Has that been discussed before?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
something. Like, during riding season!

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, 
>
> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
> ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
> CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
> than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
> who will be thrilled with this news. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>> *Lugged 
>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>
>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Mathias Steiner]

>> frame schedule and the upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. 

The Rivendell product schedule is like a fever dream. 

So many variations on one  theme -- or maybe two themes.  Go-fast yet 
comfortable, which are the most interesting bikes to me (Roadini, Gallop, 
AHH, maybe Sam), plus the long step-through bikes, which I'd have to try 
one to see what I'm missing. They started showing up, what, a decade ago, 
and I lose track how many iterations have been built.

I'm not against step-through, it just doesn't solve any problems for me. 
The recent 'string test' video showing how flexy Clem & Co get under load 
was a real eye opener. I would have predicted a small fraction of the 
movement shown. And in typical Riv fashion, they point out it's 
"unscientific" testing -- looked pretty good to me -- and then show exactly 
what they found. You have to respect that kind of integrity. I'm pushing 
200 lbs. ready to ride and I don't want my bike to flex that much. Diamond 
frames for me, and chain stays 46 cm and shorter.

Given the choice, I'll take lugged over TIG'd also, but I wouldn't spend 
much time worrying about it. Aesthetics are good, but I ride to ride. 
That's a lot of effort to make Roadini version 2. I'm really surprised by 
that. It's not like welded frames are weaker.

Sometimes the Riv model carousel is reminiscent of the car industry in the 
60s, with models updating every year. Judging by the purchasing habits of 
this group, it's a sound strategy ;)

I continue to be intrigued and baffled by Rivendell. I'm a regular parts 
customer and their products have made my riding more pleasant. But some of 
their orthodoxy doesn't do it for me. Like riding without padded shorts, to 
which I returned early this year, and which worked great for long, cool 
rides... until I hit a muggy day and spent forty miles sandpapering the 
backs of my legs with soggy cotton. Not fun,  two weeks to heal, and 
nobody's fault but mine. So much learning.

I'll stop this rant and go ride my bike.

cheers -mathias

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 1:01:25 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:

> Here's a shot of a Gallop at RBW last week. Lugs everywhere but bottom 
> bracket. I like the ride but would prefer drop bars, at least at this size. 
> The recommendation is buy the size smaller than recommended if you want 
> drops. 
> [image: IMG_9084.JPG]
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:26:24 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I think the Gallop is going to be fully lugged correct? The geometry is 
>> probably pretty close through the iterations but visually its very 
>> different than how it started. Its been quite some time since they offered 
>> a fully lugged road frame I standard production. I prefer the swoop and 
>> canti posts BUT it looks really nice and I still appreciate the angled top 
>> tube. They say its designed for sweptback but can handle drops. I think 
>> they should just lean in hard one way or the other. I have mine set up with 
>> sweptback because I feel like thats where it was supposed to go. But also 
>> interesting is that means there is no road focused drop by bike in the 
>> standard lineup. At least not designed to be so. I think that the Gallop 
>> and Roadini could co-exist with the Roadini being more affordable and 100% 
>> road focused with drops. I don't think thats what is happening though, I 
>> think the Roadini is goin away for now.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:06:38 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Throw some Canti posts on the Roadini while they are brazing, and I'm a 
>>> buyer.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:04:26 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
 *Lugged 
 *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
 partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
 head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini 
 so 
 I don't feel like I'm missing out. 

 Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
 it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
 CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.

 Doug

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Joe Bernard]

"Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
something. Like, during riding season!"

I concede that this would be better!

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
> something. Like, during riding season!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Doug, 
>>
>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
>> ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
>> CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
>> than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
>> who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>>> *Lugged 
>>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>>
>>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Tim Bantham]

I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order one 
once they become available. 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
> something. Like, during riding season!"
>
> I concede that this would be better!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
>> something. Like, during riding season!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, 
>>>
>>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
>>> ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
>>> CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
>>> than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
>>> who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
 *Lugged 
 *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
 partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
 head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini 
 so 
 I don't feel like I'm missing out. 

 Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
 it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
 CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.

 Doug

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Johnny Alien]

I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order one 
> once they become available. 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
>> something. Like, during riding season!"
>>
>> I concede that this would be better!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
>>> something. Like, during riding season!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Doug, 

 My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
 while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) 
 is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
 longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one 
 friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
> upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace 
> the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. I 
> appreciate 
> the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my 
> solid 
> Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>
> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do 
> think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for 
> the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>
> Doug
>


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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Valerie Yates]

I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with 
swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
that's why this reviewer 
 
complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
on it. 

When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
 Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
>> one once they become available. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
>>> something. Like, during riding season!"
>>>
>>> I concede that this would be better!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
 something. Like, during riding season!

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, 
>
> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
> birthday) 
> is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
> longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
> one 
> friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
>> upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace 
>> the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. I 
>> appreciate 
>> the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my 
>> solid 
>> Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>
>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do 
>> think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting 
>> for 
>> the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>
>> Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Tom]

I called Riv today to ask several questions, one of which was the status on 
the lugged Roadini. It seems that originally the launch was scheduled for 
this Fall. However, they’re applying the Roaduno delay to the lugged 
Roadini, meaning it’s likely it wont be available until early 2025. Several 
other bikes are ahead of it, including Appaloosa, Gallup.

Tom

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:04:26 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
> *Lugged 
> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>
> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think it 
> might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the CHG, 
> Grant lists them as coming in September.
>
> Doug
>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Jay]

I would be interested in a lugged Roadini If I could easily strip my 
complete build, sell the frames for like 85% of what I paid (in Feb) and 
then rebuild with a few modifications from my original build.  Mostly 
though, I would select a 54cm over a 57cm.  I'm running my C17 as far 
forward on the rails as possible on a straight seat post.  It's fine, and I 
still love the bike, but I could have went down a size (I was between 
sizes).  My Roadini has good welds to my eye, more about the size and maybe 
the new colour scheme (that mermaid Atlantis colour...hmm, that would be a 
done deal if they offered that colour).

On Saturday, August 17, 2024 at 5:46:01 PM UTC-4 Tom wrote:

> I called Riv today to ask several questions, one of which was the status 
> on the lugged Roadini. It seems that originally the launch was scheduled 
> for this Fall. However, they’re applying the Roaduno delay to the lugged 
> Roadini, meaning it’s likely it wont be available until early 2025. Several 
> other bikes are ahead of it, including Appaloosa, Gallup.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:04:26 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>> *Lugged 
>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>
>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Leah Peterson]

Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your Charlie? I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?LeahOn May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think that's why this reviewer complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had on it. When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance.  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order one once they become available. On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:"Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or something. Like, during riding season!"I concede that this would be better!On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or something. Like, during riding season!On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:Doug, My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. Joe Bernard On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming Lugged Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Jason Fuller]

Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally see 
what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite right 
for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike for 
what I was trying to do. 

I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 

On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
> Charlie? 
>
> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
> Leah
>
> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with 
> swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
> that's why this reviewer 
>  
> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
> on it. 
>
>
> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
>> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
>> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
>> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
>>> one once they become available. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
 or something. Like, during riding season!"

 I concede that this would be better!

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
> or something. Like, during riding season!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Doug, 
>>
>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
>> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
>> birthday) 
>> is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
>> longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
>> one 
>> friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
>>> upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may 
>>> replace the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. 
>>> I 
>>> appreciate the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also really 
>>> like my solid Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>>
>>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do 
>>> think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting 
>>> for 
>>> the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Paul M]

I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The tig 
welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not what 
I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I feel 
that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
Homer (lugged :).

On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally see 
> what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite right 
> for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike for 
> what I was trying to do. 
>
> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>
> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
>> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
>> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
>> Charlie? 
>>
>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with 
>> swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>> that's why this reviewer 
>> 
>>  
>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>> on it. 
>>
>>
>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
>> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
>>> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
>>> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
>>> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
 one once they become available. 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
> or something. Like, during riding season!"
>
> I concede that this would be better!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>> or something. Like, during riding season!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, 
>>>
>>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
>>> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
>>> birthday) 
>>> is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
>>> longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
>>> one 
>>> friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
 upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may 
 replace the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. 
 I 
 appreciate the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also 
 really 
 like my solid Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 

 Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do 
 think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting 
 for 
 the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.

 Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Tony Lockhart]

Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my 
Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so 
long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it 
comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten 
years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers 
crossed.

Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early 
Roadeos??  /wishful thinking

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:31:24 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:

> I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The tig 
> welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not what 
> I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I feel 
> that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
> explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
> Homer (lugged :).
>
> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
>> see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
>> right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
>> for what I was trying to do. 
>>
>> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
>> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
>> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
>> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
>> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>>
>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
>>> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
>>> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought 
>>> your Charlie? 
>>>
>>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
>>> with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
>>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
>>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>>> that's why this reviewer 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>>> on it. 
>>>
>>>
>>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
>>> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
>>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
 understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
 the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
 that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
> one once they become available. 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>> or something. Like, during riding season!"
>>
>> I concede that this would be better!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>>> or something. Like, during riding season!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Doug, 

 My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
 while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
 birthday) 
 is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
 longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
 one 
 friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
> upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H 

Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Ryan]

maybe they're offering a lugged Roadini to reduce the demand for lugged 
MN-built Roadeos with their long wait times? And offer another alternative 
to said long(2 years) wait times. Which are now quoted at $3886 CAD; all 
models are quoted in CAD interestingly enough

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:46:30 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my 
> Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so 
> long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it 
> comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten 
> years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers 
> crossed.
>
> Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early 
> Roadeos??  /wishful thinking
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:31:24 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>
>> I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The 
>> tig welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not 
>> what I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I 
>> feel that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
>> explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
>> Homer (lugged :).
>>
>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
>>> see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
>>> right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
>>> for what I was trying to do. 
>>>
>>> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
>>> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
>>> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
>>> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
>>> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
 bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
 ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
 bought 
 your Charlie? 

 I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
 Leah

 On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:

 I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
 with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
 nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
 it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
 that's why this reviewer 
 
  
 complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
 on it. 


 When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
 light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
 riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
 riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
 its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
 without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case 
> of 
> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will 
>> order one once they become available. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
>>> July or something. Like, during riding season!"
>>>
>>> I concede that this would be better!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
 July or something. Like, during riding season!

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, 
>
> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
> birthday) 
> is the CHG will also

Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Ryan]

CAD because my settings were in CAD...still $2800 in USDsorry

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 7:12:08 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> maybe they're offering a lugged Roadini to reduce the demand for lugged 
> MN-built Roadeos with their long wait times? And offer another alternative 
> to said long(2 years) wait times. Which are now quoted at $3886 CAD; all 
> models are quoted in CAD interestingly enough
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:46:30 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Totally agree with you, Paul. I know I'm being picky, but the welds on my 
>> Roadini look pretty sloppy. Best believe it's going up for sale just so 
>> long as (1) the Lugged Leo has the same snappy ride quality and (2) it 
>> comes in blue. Not sure what compelled me to sell my Soma SanMarcos ten 
>> years ago, but this would be a great replacement. Keeping my fingers 
>> crossed.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be great if it had the Red/White color scheme like the early 
>> Roadeos??  /wishful thinking
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:31:24 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The 
>>> tig welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not 
>>> what I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I 
>>> feel that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could 
>>> explain the move to a lugged Roadini frame. I sold it and bought a mustard 
>>> Homer (lugged :).
>>>
>>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 18:55:16 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
 see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
 right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
 for what I was trying to do. 

 I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
 visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
 nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
 Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
 already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 

 On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you 
> bought 
> your Charlie? 
>
> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
> Leah
>
> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
> with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky 
> and 
> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack 
> on 
> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
> that's why this reviewer 
> 
>  
> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
> on it. 
>
>
> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my 
> tail light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for 
> unloaded 
> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
>> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case 
>> of 
>> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
>> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will 
>>> order one once they become available. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
 July or something. Like, during riding season!"

 I concede that this would be better!

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in 
> July or something. Like, during riding season!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard w

Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Valerie Yates]

Jason - - Hi! I am glad you agree. I was really surprised what an 
improvment it was to remove that rack from it. I thought your review was 
excellent overall. Very detailed and informative. I also agree re Hilborne. 
That is better choice for carrying a load without impacting its 
performance. I have not ridden a Homer.  

Leah -- I will answer your questions in a separate thread. :)   

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:55:16 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally see 
> what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite right 
> for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike for 
> what I was trying to do. 
>
> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>
> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
>> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
>> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
>> Charlie? 
>>
>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>> Leah
>>
>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple with 
>> swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>> that's why this reviewer 
>> 
>>  
>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>> on it. 
>>
>>
>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
>> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
>>> understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
>>> the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
>>> that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
 one once they become available. 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
> or something. Like, during riding season!"
>
> I concede that this would be better!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>> or something. Like, during riding season!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Doug, 
>>>
>>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
>>> while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
>>> birthday) 
>>> is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
>>> longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
>>> one 
>>> friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
 upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may 
 replace the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road bike. 
 I 
 appreciate the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also 
 really 
 like my solid Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 

 Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do 
 think it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting 
 for 
 the CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.

 Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Sarah Carlson]

Valerie, I want to hear the answers to all the questions! You are one of 
the few people riding this rare unicorn bike I want to know all the 
things!

Sarah

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 11:03:19 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Jason - - Hi! I am glad you agree. I was really surprised what an 
> improvment it was to remove that rack from it. I thought your review was 
> excellent overall. Very detailed and informative. I also agree re Hilborne. 
> That is better choice for carrying a load without impacting its 
> performance. I have not ridden a Homer.  
>
> Leah -- I will answer your questions in a separate thread. :)   
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 7:55:16 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Good info Valerie!  As the reviewer you are noting, yep, I can totally 
>> see what you mean and I agree that what I was using it for wasn't quite 
>> right for what it was as a bike. My Hillborne is actually the perfect bike 
>> for what I was trying to do. 
>>
>> I'd bet the production version of the CHG will be less wiggly too, just 
>> visually going by the diameter of the top tube. I am sure it's still got 
>> nice springy flex, though. Seems like it's basically a longer wheelbase 
>> Homer, which seems absolutely perfect for a certain someone who appears to 
>> already know this bike is perfect for their club ride needs. 
>>
>> On Sunday 5 May 2024 at 16:33:07 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this 
>>> bike. Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club 
>>> ride? Do you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought 
>>> your Charlie? 
>>>
>>> I don’t know why the lugged Roadini, either. Anyone know?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 5, 2024, at 7:00 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> I just finished tweaking the set up on my 2022 Gallop demo - purple 
>>> with swoop tube, non-canti version. It rides like a dream. Super silky and 
>>> nimble. One mistake I had made was to install a heavy duty pannier rack on 
>>> it. It made the bike feel very noodley. I was tempted to sell it. I think 
>>> that's why this reviewer 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> complained about its flex. He shows it with the same rack I initially had 
>>> on it. 
>>>
>>>
>>> When I switched to a top rack, since it was only being used for my tail 
>>> light and lock, everything came together. Now, I love it for unloaded 
>>> riding on rough and hilly local roads. I have a huge smile whenever I am 
>>> riding it. So just chiming in with a note of caution in setting it up for 
>>> its intended purpose. It is not meant as a loaded touring bike and, even 
>>> without a load, a rack that is too stiff will impact its performance. 
>>>  Can't wait to see the set-ups on the production models. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 2:44:51 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious about the whole lugged Roadini thing now. The Susie I 
 understand because its a cost/time of manufacture thing but in the case of 
 the Roadini it basically is just upping the cost. Unless the feeling is 
 that a lugged model will just sell better regardless of a higher price.

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:35:27 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I saw the mention of the lugged Roadini. I am 99% certain I will order 
> one once they become available. 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 3:17:24 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>> or something. Like, during riding season!"
>>
>> I concede that this would be better!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July 
>>> or something. Like, during riding season!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Doug, 

 My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a 
 while ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd 
 birthday) 
 is the CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be 
 longer-stayed than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least 
 one 
 friend of ours who will be thrilled with this news. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the 
> upcoming *Lugged *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may 
> replace the Roadini as the partially lugged more affordable road 
> bike. I 
> appreciate the cream colored head tubes and full lugs but I also 
> really 
> like my solid Mermaid Roadini so I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>
> Wi

Re: [RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Tom]

I hear you. But 85% is La La land in my experience for a non-lugged Riv
frame. This coming from someone who sold a pristine D&D custom painted
Roadini for far less than 85% for what I paid.

On Sat, Aug 17, 2024 at 7:17 PM Jay  wrote:

> I would be interested in a lugged Roadini If I could easily strip my
> complete build, sell the frames for like 85% of what I paid (in Feb) and
> then rebuild with a few modifications from my original build.  Mostly
> though, I would select a 54cm over a 57cm.  I'm running my C17 as far
> forward on the rails as possible on a straight seat post.  It's fine, and I
> still love the bike, but I could have went down a size (I was between
> sizes).  My Roadini has good welds to my eye, more about the size and maybe
> the new colour scheme (that mermaid Atlantis colour...hmm, that would be a
> done deal if they offered that colour).
>
> On Saturday, August 17, 2024 at 5:46:01 PM UTC-4 Tom wrote:
>
>> I called Riv today to ask several questions, one of which was the status
>> on the lugged Roadini. It seems that originally the launch was scheduled
>> for this Fall. However, they’re applying the Roaduno delay to the lugged
>> Roadini, meaning it’s likely it wont be available until early 2025. Several
>> other bikes are ahead of it, including Appaloosa, Gallup.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:04:26 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>>> *Lugged
>>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the
>>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored
>>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so
>>> I don't feel like I'm missing out.
>>>
>>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think
>>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the
>>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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