Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Hi, I'm Steve. B-) I had a Crosscheck--thought it was a slug. I sold it. On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:47 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Phew, back before this thread got hijacked :)the rear rack. The one thing that I don't love about my build. Yes, it's not parallel. Here's why: Partially because I am lazy. The rear rack (like the front rack) is bolted to the fender, which means I had to drill the fender. I drilled the fender well, but the tangs that attach the rack at the dropout have 2 mounting holes. The bottom one put the rack too far from the fender, the upper hole didn't leave room for the fender. If I had a drill press I would have put a third hole in the middle (there is room), but I don't. So the rack is sitting higher than it should, and because of the angle of the threads on the rack, I could only get one bolt connected, and the angle of the rack isn't quite right. It's my bike and I am dealing just fine with it. I know it's not aesthetically perfect, but she rides just fine. Re: compared to the LHT - she is just what I expected. More sprightly, better out of the saddle, and possibly even more comfortable. That could be a number of things (Panaracer TG's vs. Marathons on the LHT for example) but so far I am loving this bike. Thanks for playing folks! On Feb 18, 7:39 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Love the color! I for one appreciate the look of the rear rack parallel to the top tubes! :-p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Refurb. You've got the clearance, cold-setting is not traumatic if you do it carefully (and don't overstep your bounds -- i.e., don't spread a 6-speed frame to a 10), and the Trek is a solid frame. My vote is for bringing back the Trek. --Beth in PDX On Feb 7, 6:05 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my money... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
It's the internet: Al Gore* designed it for rampant speculation hyperbole!!! But there a precedent of GP working with other companies to design bikes. The San Marcos with SOMA is the perfect example, Bleriot with QBP is another. S, I am rampantly speculating hyperbolizing my desires for the perfect bike. I will call it The Homer. *Please people, that is a joke. I am well aware that the late Sen. Stevens designed the system of tubes. On 2/18/12, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to sound the wet blanket or speak for gp but not sure why he would be involved in a project like that for what would be most likely a loss of money when their are a few different companies discussed here who make something almost like what you are looking for. unfortunately almost is as close as we can get, I wanted a 650b Atlantis with center pull brakes but alas it was not meant to be. On Feb 19, 2012 12:47 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite. I guess what I'm visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy country bike, 57mm brakes) with $600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The SOMA San Marcos more like it, but tig it, (single) level top tube, 1/18 threadless stem. I wish someone would work with Grant to get a bike like that in regular production. Maybe there isn't a market for it, but seems to me like it would be the perfect bike! On 2/18/12, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Albeit with cantis, and low trail fork, the Rawland rSogn fits the bill as well, though it now retails for $725. It started at just over $500, and there has been at least one sale, I think. http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detailintItemID=3953 I got one to complement my Sam Hillborne, which is now set up for commuting and kid hauling. Aesthetically, the Sam's the winner, but in terms of versatility and sprightliness, the rSogn nudges ahead (thinner tubing, and fits 58mm knobbies, and I like the low trail for running a handlebar bag and still being able to peel oranges on the go). http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/6892390267/in/pool-71875606@N00/ Cheers, Gernot Thailand On Feb 19, 12:39 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that. On 2/19/12, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Albeit with cantis, and low trail fork, the Rawland rSogn fits the bill as well, though it now retails for $725. It started at just over $500, and there has been at least one sale, I think. http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detailintItemID=3953 I got one to complement my Sam Hillborne, which is now set up for commuting and kid hauling. Aesthetically, the Sam's the winner, but in terms of versatility and sprightliness, the rSogn nudges ahead (thinner tubing, and fits 58mm knobbies, and I like the low trail for running a handlebar bag and still being able to peel oranges on the go). http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/6892390267/in/pool-71875606@N00/ Cheers, Gernot Thailand On Feb 19, 12:39 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that. What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy with 26 wheels and XOXO. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Don't know anything about them, but would want 700C On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that. What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy with 26 wheels and XOXO. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a Cross Check, but GREAT price! On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that. What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy with 26 wheels and XOXO. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a Cross Check, but GREAT price! Right before xmas they had them on a serious sale at 20% off. I resisted buying one. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
That's give-away pricing! I could deal with cantis/horizontal for that price! On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a Cross Check, but GREAT price! Right before xmas they had them on a serious sale at 20% off. I resisted buying one. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: Low trail is kind of a turn off though. Why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I don't need any of it's benefits (front load/stability) and I ride too much on dirt trails/singletrack where high trail shines. On 2/19/12, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: Low trail is kind of a turn off though. Why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's give-away pricing! I could deal with cantis/horizontal for that price! It was iirc $330 for the complete frame/fork. There's a number of nice builds of them here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26117248@N03/ I agree with you about the horizontal dropouts - I'd rather have vertical dropouts like on all the rest of my bikes. Makes fendering and wheel centering so much simpler,imo. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Make sure it has a cup-holder that can fit MY drink. On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:48 AM, cyclotourist wrote: It's the internet: Al Gore* designed it for rampant speculation hyperbole!!! But there a precedent of GP working with other companies to design bikes. The San Marcos with SOMA is the perfect example, Bleriot with QBP is another. S, I am rampantly speculating hyperbolizing my desires for the perfect bike. I will call it The Homer. *Please people, that is a joke. I am well aware that the late Sen. Stevens designed the system of tubes. On 2/18/12, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to sound the wet blanket or speak for gp but not sure why he would be involved in a project like that for what would be most likely a loss of money when their are a few different companies discussed here who make something almost like what you are looking for. unfortunately almost is as close as we can get, I wanted a 650b Atlantis with center pull brakes but alas it was not meant to be. On Feb 19, 2012 12:47 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite. I guess what I'm visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy country bike, 57mm brakes) with $600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The SOMA San Marcos more like it, but tig it, (single) level top tube, 1/18 threadless stem. I wish someone would work with Grant to get a bike like that in regular production. Maybe there isn't a market for it, but seems to me like it would be the perfect bike! On 2/18/12, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Grant certainly doesn't need to work with anybody for David's econodreambike to come to fruition. Grant's involvement would be good for marketing and publicity, but lots of bike guys and gals have the design chops to pull it off without his help. I agree that a tigged and threadless Roadeo/Hilsen knockoff could be a good seller if done well and marketed smartly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/p6K0ivtOgHcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
The Singular Cycles offerings are almost there, but maybe too similar to the Soma? The Kite 'cross bike is tigged, 1 1/8 threadless, with cantis. Most of the road bikes are lugged, though. My favorite Singular is the Gryphon, which is nothing like you describe. It's more of a rolling-up of all my bikes into one Cunningham-inspired unit. http://www.singularcycles.com/ http://theprairiepeddler.blogspot.com/ Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Feb 19, 8:32 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I don't need any of it's benefits (front load/stability) and I ride too much on dirt trails/singletrack where high trail shines. On 2/19/12, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: Low trail is kind of a turn off though. Why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Ohhh, nice. Didn't think about that... their 60cm Osprey is just about spot on if it can fit 35mm tires (tyres!). Mike S had a Gryphon for a minute. If I ever decide to build up a drop bar 29er, that is pretty much the bike I'll get! Jim, you're 100% correct. GP isn't the only that can design a bike, but 100% of his bikes are bikes I would want to buy! :-) I would love to see him work someone to get a Rivendell-esque tigged bike on the market. On 2/19/12, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: The Singular Cycles offerings are almost there, but maybe too similar to the Soma? The Kite 'cross bike is tigged, 1 1/8 threadless, with cantis. Most of the road bikes are lugged, though. My favorite Singular is the Gryphon, which is nothing like you describe. It's more of a rolling-up of all my bikes into one Cunningham-inspired unit. http://www.singularcycles.com/ http://theprairiepeddler.blogspot.com/ Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Feb 19, 8:32 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I don't need any of it's benefits (front load/stability) and I ride too much on dirt trails/singletrack where high trail shines. On 2/19/12, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote: Low trail is kind of a turn off though. Why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I have a Pacer and a recently built up a Ram. The Ram is livelier in handling than the Pacer, but the Pacer is a fine bike. It doesn't handle tires as wide as the Ram, and nowadays with the terrible roads in the area (in Oakland--where one cyclist died flying over a crack into oncoming traffic), I make it a point to use as wide as I can go for comfort and safety. I think there is a market for a lively road bike that can use wide tires. The Pacer, Casseroll, Smoothie are all in the right direction, but they can go even wider. A few hundred dollars in the frame is not a justification for me to get a different frame--especially when the different frame doesn't give you what you want... I would rather wait and buy the frame that really works than pay a little less and get something inferior and wish you had something else for as long as you put up with the inferior bike... Toshi On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I agree. There's no black magic here. And the econodreambike has kind of been done -- with the exception of the marketing part. Kogswell Model D was a Taiwanese-tig welded, direct copy of the Rambo. I don't know the Riv models that well, but I'd be willing to bet that the Rambo is pretty much geometrically indistinguishable, where it counts anyway, to Roadeo/Hilson. John Speare Spokane, WA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:50 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610... Grant certainly doesn't need to work with anybody for David's econodreambike to come to fruition. Grant's involvement would be good for marketing and publicity, but lots of bike guys and gals have the design chops to pull it off without his help. I agree that a tigged and threadless Roadeo/Hilsen knockoff could be a good seller if done well and marketed smartly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/p6K0ivtOgHcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Love the color! I for one appreciate the look of the rear rack parallel to the top tubes! :-p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8JfMX_RH2REJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Thanks Tony - I appreciate the advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MFFMkVozalUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Then you get into a whole diluting the brand argument where as Rivendell stands for high end lugged bikes if they just went and made tig welded bikes threadless stems how would they be any different from Surly et al? I just dont think someone as small as Riv could stay in business selling such cheap bikes without the huge volume of the other major brands. It is a boutique bike seller and that is how they and frankly I like it. Just my 2 cents. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I would think that the new (2011) fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 7:31 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Then you get into a whole diluting the brand argument where as Rivendell stands for high end lugged bikes if they just went and made tig welded bikes threadless stems how would they be any different from Surly et al? I just dont think someone as small as Riv could stay in business selling such cheap bikes without the huge volume of the other major brands. It is a boutique bike seller and that is how they and frankly I like it. Just my 2 cents. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a Surly/Salsa price. Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on the look out for one as it is. /rant On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. Mobile Brian Hanson On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a Surly/Salsa price. Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on the look out for one as it is. /rant On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I always considered them to by chunky mountain bikey, sort of like a 650b Karate Monkey. Will give 'em a look! On 2/18/12, Stonehog stone...@gmail.com wrote: Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. Mobile Brian Hanson On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a Surly/Salsa price. Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on the look out for one as it is. /rant On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BfLiGYMPXSoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
The Rawland rSogn (650B) is quite different from any Surly. http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detailintItemID=3953 With 8/5/8 standard-diameter tubing I think the frame is lighter and flexier than most other production steel bikes including Rivs. They are also coming out with a 700C bike this year, also with lightweight standard-diameter tubing and low trail geometry. - David On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I always considered them to by chunky mountain bikey, sort of like a 650b Karate Monkey. Will give 'em a look! On 2/18/12, Stonehog stone...@gmail.com wrote: Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. Mobile Brian Hanson On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a Surly/Salsa price. Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on the look out for one as it is. /rant On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Their only product I'm familiar is the cSogn. It seemed a great bike, but kind of burly. On 2/18/12, David Yu Greenblatt david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote: The Rawland rSogn (650B) is quite different from any Surly. http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detailintItemID=3953 With 8/5/8 standard-diameter tubing I think the frame is lighter and flexier than most other production steel bikes including Rivs. They are also coming out with a 700C bike this year, also with lightweight standard-diameter tubing and low trail geometry. - David On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I always considered them to by chunky mountain bikey, sort of like a 650b Karate Monkey. Will give 'em a look! On 2/18/12, Stonehog stone...@gmail.com wrote: Take a look at Rawland. Frames are around $700, but they fit wide tires, use light steel tubing, and are built for comfort. You may be able to get them on special occasionally in the $500 range, too. Mobile Brian Hanson On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:42 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Peter M: Yeah, I get that, and don't think that's the answer. I'm not looking for a low-end Rivendell, but an other brand that has the qualities of a Riv but for around $500. Springy steel (not light touring) tig w/ all the Riv features (as above). I don't need a $2, $3 or $4,000 bike, but one for around $1K or a $500 frameset would be awesome to have. I'd buy that but I'm not going to buy a new Soma bike or a Sam. Those are too nice and too much $$$ for what I'm thinking of. Something to compete w/ the 80's Trek, Univegas, Nishikis, etc that started this conversation. Why get an old bike, powdercoat it, put money into rebuilding it w/ modern parts and still not have it fit the tire you want and then worry about the head tube or BB cracking. Something off the shelf that does everything I/we need it to at a Surly/Salsa price. Jay in TA: Yes, that's definitely the closest out there, but not quite it. Something between that and a Surly Pacer. No cantis, and with vertical drop outs. If Salsa did that, I'd have a new bike! See, they're almost there, but not quite. The previous Casseroll was more like it, but it had that ugly fork and too slopey of a TT. But I could get over those and would prefer them to cantis/horizontal. I'm semi-on the look out for one as it is. /rant On 2/18/12, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that description quite well, albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution. I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up getting this summer. FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me. Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot less $. Jay On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona, Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country bike. Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs. On 2/18/12, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out. Very tasteful selection in components. Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite. I guess what I'm visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy country bike, 57mm brakes) with $600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The SOMA San Marcos more like it, but tig it, (single) level top tube, 1/18 threadless stem. I wish someone would work with Grant to get a bike like that in regular production. Maybe there isn't a market for it, but seems to me like it would be the perfect bike! On 2/18/12, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1AULE1l_nBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
She is built, and rode her to work this morning. The ride was as beautiful as she is. https://picasaweb.google.com/JamesDanielOsborne/SomaSanMarcos?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCPKXgfSFsuSipwEfeat=directlink On Feb 11, 11:22 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks James for the kind words - be sure to post pictures and a ride report. I would love to hear you experiences and comparison against the trucker. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Gorgeous, excellent choice. On Feb 17, 2012 2:58 PM, James jamesdanielosbo...@gmail.com wrote: She is built, and rode her to work this morning. The ride was as beautiful as she is. https://picasaweb.google.com/JamesDanielOsborne/SomaSanMarcos?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCPKXgfSFsuSipwEfeat=directlink On Feb 11, 11:22 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks James for the kind words - be sure to post pictures and a ride report. I would love to hear you experiences and comparison against the trucker. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Very Nice! Been eye balling one of those myself. Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: James jamesdanielosbo...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 12:39:16 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610... She is built, and rode her to work this morning. The ride was as beautiful as she is. https://picasaweb.google.com/JamesDanielOsborne/SomaSanMarcos?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCPKXgfSFsuSipwEfeat=directlink On Feb 11, 11:22 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks James for the kind words - be sure to post pictures and a ride report. I would love to hear you experiences and comparison against the trucker. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
James, your new San Marcos looks good. Have you adjusted the rear rack yet? Looks to be about 15 degrees too far counter-clockwise. I'll just chime in because I used to own and LHT that was all but sprightly. It was a great bike, but when stripped down, it was nowhere near and zippy/sprightly as my Sam. I remember how out-of-the-saddle sprints would cause quite a bit of chain noise, whereas the same type of sprint on my Sam is super quiet. Oddly enough, I was running 28mm tires (80psi) on the LHT and am currently running 32mm tires (60psi) on my Sam--and my Sam is still sportier/sprightlier. I'd recommend that the OP just spend more time saving until budget ceases to be an issue and spring for the San Marcos.or just get a Sam because of the added versatility of additional braze-ons, more clearance, and prettier fork curve. On Feb 17, 11:39 am, James jamesdanielosbo...@gmail.com wrote: She is built, and rode her to work this morning. The ride was as beautiful as she is. https://picasaweb.google.com/JamesDanielOsborne/SomaSanMarcos?authuse... On Feb 11, 11:22 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks James for the kind words - be sure to post pictures and a ride report. I would love to hear you experiences and comparison against the trucker. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Thanks James for the kind words - be sure to post pictures and a ride report. I would love to hear you experiences and comparison against the trucker. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ty5Lx_-0H9YJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Thanks Charlie - I hear you on the damage and tubing concerns. I am lucky enough to have a frame builder local to me that is going to help me though this. We have discussed the possibility of making a new fork. If the frame has rust issues and other structural damage I will not move forward with it for sure. The cost of adding cantis to a nice frame is pretty cheap - at least in my neck of the woods. I was planning on painting it anyway, and have a resource to get that done on the cheap. The trucker is a pig for sure - at least the way I have it setup. Not sure if you looked at the pictures, but the Conti Contact 26 x 1.75 tires probably have something to do with that... but it was by design and I love the bike for it and what I use it for. I have beat that thing fire roads occasionally and pulled a home made crappy cart with it. It will stay as is. Make no mistake - handling, feel, quickness i.e. sprightly would be the LAST descriptive term I would use. Again - I love the bike and have pushed it thought a century or two. I hope to have a better experience on long rides little or no load. Maybe I am fixing my head, but my experience ridding other bikes has confirmed my belief of the rubenesque nature of the LHT. Hopefully that dispels any vagueness I have previously conveyed. Do I want a different bike - no revelation there. I would be lying if I said no. I am would have a garage full if my wife would not divorce me first. I really hope to wind up with something different that what I have. Perhaps something more special as it as hand built about 20 miles from where I live now. Or it will be an abomination and I will learn a valuable lesson. I am sure the jury here will let me know there thoughts on that :-) I like Grant and have leaned much about about bikes and subscribe to much his philosophy. So much so that I purchased an XO-1 frame because I wanted a piece of that history and design perspective. Riv undoubted makes wonderful bikes. I can even say that I will own one in the future when I can swing it financially. But that is not today. In terms of design, I wonder if there is any truth to the mystical nature of low trail 650B bikes. Riv's do not (in my uneducated opinion) fall into this category. There has been debate on this subject ad nausea already I will not pile on. However - I believe there may be some truth to the hoopla and I want to find out for myself on the cheap. Charlie - thanks for your sage advice. I appreciate your point of view. It may as well be a Rivendell they are pretty nice for quite a few good reasons. - no doubt about that. I envy you guys and your classy rides. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ow8qqmcwhi0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I was just in the EXACT SAME SPOT as you! I had an '08 Surly LHT that I rode constantly but was just finding it too sluggish. I wanted to run 700x32s with fenders and caliper brakes. I wanted something to fall in between my too-heavy LHT and my too twitchy/rough/unpleasant road bike. Guess what I bought. Go on, guess. My San Marcos arrived this Tuesday and I am building it up this weekend. It is gorgeous, and I cannot wait for her to be done. My advice is do what you think you'll be happier with in a year, even if it costs a few hundred dollars more. James On Feb 7, 7:05 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my money... I am looking to get a nice all around bike for commuting, perhaps a century or two, 2 day bike overnight credit card, and light trail (crushed limestone/dirt) type riding. In the summer I wind up with 50 - 150 miles per week. I am currently using a Surly LHT for this type of riding, and really like it, but am longing for something a bit more .sprightly. Here is a picture of my current LHT to give you an idea of how I would like to setup this new ride. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/e_merlin/LHT%202010/IMG_0016.jpg I am not the tallest guy and ride a 50 - 53cm frame depending on the setup. I would outfit his new bike in a similar fashion with fenders, racks, rando bag etc... Here is my problem. I found a 531cs Trek 610 from 1984 that has (IMHO) nice geometry for my needs. Some specs - 430mm chain-stay, 52mm rake, 72mm bottom bracket drop, and i think 72 for so seat and head tube angles. Trek does not publish the geometry for anything but 22.5 frames that year... Trek Upgrade Path 1. 700C or 650B wheel conversion - bigger tire, better ride, more fender clearance (I already have a nice set of velocity 700c wheels for this project) 2. complete powder coat 3. Canti brake studs added 4. brazeons for various items 5. cold set the rear end 6. etc... I guess in the end this will require many new parts, some of which I have, but will be a considerable investment nonetheless. Now here comes the San Marcos It seems to be a nice solution as well and may very well similar in price to the trek by the time I am done with the frame parts. The San Marcos may be a bit more, but may be a better choice in the long run. The San Marcos seems to have perfect geometry for my kind of riding... What would you do if you were me? What bike will better serve me in the long run. I have to admit, since I live in Madison WI the Trek has some sentimental value to me. The San Marcos lugs look really nice however! I am torn with which direction to go, and since this is a big outlay of cash for me I am looking for some advice before going one way or the other... Thanks in a advance to any/all help. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Well written..I get ya on the LHT and the 'tanklike' nature of it. I have mine set up with some 700x47's now and it'll roll over pretty much anything.but its not super quick or lively feeling but then I'm not either. I've noticed a small but definite difference in certain machines and like others have said tires make a big difference. I used to run some 700x32's Urbanmax's on the Trucker and it felt closer to some of my other bikes. Finding a ride that fits your size, weight and strength to give the maximum durability and ease of riding is kind of a process. I'm finding that a frame about the weight and configuration of my SimpleOne with deraileur gearing and 37-38 mm wide tires works the best for me for the type of riding I mostly do. I seldom venture off road and I live in a hilly area with mostly decent pavement shoulders on the roads. I'm leaning toward an eventual Homer Hilsen (but maybe beefed up in the down tube) because I am not fond of cantilever brakes. I don't tour but do carry a saddle bag so the Rando style machine is more to my liking with gearing set up for my area and knees. Its taken me about ten bikes over the last ten years to figure out what works best for me... On Feb 11, 7:16 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Charlie - I hear you on the damage and tubing concerns. I am lucky enough to have a frame builder local to me that is going to help me though this. We have discussed the possibility of making a new fork. If the frame has rust issues and other structural damage I will not move forward with it for sure. The cost of adding cantis to a nice frame is pretty cheap - at least in my neck of the woods. I was planning on painting it anyway, and have a resource to get that done on the cheap. The trucker is a pig for sure - at least the way I have it setup. Not sure if you looked at the pictures, but the Conti Contact 26 x 1.75 tires probably have something to do with that... but it was by design and I love the bike for it and what I use it for. I have beat that thing fire roads occasionally and pulled a home made crappy cart with it. It will stay as is. Make no mistake - handling, feel, quickness i.e. sprightly would be the LAST descriptive term I would use. Again - I love the bike and have pushed it thought a century or two. I hope to have a better experience on long rides little or no load. Maybe I am fixing my head, but my experience ridding other bikes has confirmed my belief of the rubenesque nature of the LHT. Hopefully that dispels any vagueness I have previously conveyed. Do I want a different bike - no revelation there. I would be lying if I said no. I am would have a garage full if my wife would not divorce me first. I really hope to wind up with something different that what I have. Perhaps something more special as it as hand built about 20 miles from where I live now. Or it will be an abomination and I will learn a valuable lesson. I am sure the jury here will let me know there thoughts on that :-) I like Grant and have leaned much about about bikes and subscribe to much his philosophy. So much so that I purchased an XO-1 frame because I wanted a piece of that history and design perspective. Riv undoubted makes wonderful bikes. I can even say that I will own one in the future when I can swing it financially. But that is not today. In terms of design, I wonder if there is any truth to the mystical nature of low trail 650B bikes. Riv's do not (in my uneducated opinion) fall into this category. There has been debate on this subject ad nausea already I will not pile on. However - I believe there may be some truth to the hoopla and I want to find out for myself on the cheap. Charlie - thanks for your sage advice. I appreciate your point of view. It may as well be a Rivendell they are pretty nice for quite a few good reasons. - no doubt about that. I envy you guys and your classy rides. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Pretty much how I feel about my 3 riv products, although there are many other models I have not had the pleasure of trying out. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Anything Rivendell touches is gold. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Do what I do in great life decisions like this. Flip a coin. That's how I got to be a teacher. Or just go with the San Marcos. Anything Rivendell touches is gold. On Feb 7, 6:05 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my money... I am looking to get a nice all around bike for commuting, perhaps a century or two, 2 day bike overnight credit card, and light trail (crushed limestone/dirt) type riding. In the summer I wind up with 50 - 150 miles per week. I am currently using a Surly LHT for this type of riding, and really like it, but am longing for something a bit more .sprightly. Here is a picture of my current LHT to give you an idea of how I would like to setup this new ride. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/e_merlin/LHT%202010/IMG_0016.jpg I am not the tallest guy and ride a 50 - 53cm frame depending on the setup. I would outfit his new bike in a similar fashion with fenders, racks, rando bag etc... Here is my problem. I found a 531cs Trek 610 from 1984 that has (IMHO) nice geometry for my needs. Some specs - 430mm chain-stay, 52mm rake, 72mm bottom bracket drop, and i think 72 for so seat and head tube angles. Trek does not publish the geometry for anything but 22.5 frames that year... Trek Upgrade Path 1. 700C or 650B wheel conversion - bigger tire, better ride, more fender clearance (I already have a nice set of velocity 700c wheels for this project) 2. complete powder coat 3. Canti brake studs added 4. brazeons for various items 5. cold set the rear end 6. etc... I guess in the end this will require many new parts, some of which I have, but will be a considerable investment nonetheless. Now here comes the San Marcos It seems to be a nice solution as well and may very well similar in price to the trek by the time I am done with the frame parts. The San Marcos may be a bit more, but may be a better choice in the long run. The San Marcos seems to have perfect geometry for my kind of riding... What would you do if you were me? What bike will better serve me in the long run. I have to admit, since I live in Madison WI the Trek has some sentimental value to me. The San Marcos lugs look really nice however! I am torn with which direction to go, and since this is a big outlay of cash for me I am looking for some advice before going one way or the other... Thanks in a advance to any/all help. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I've done this with a couple of Raleighs and a Centurion and they are decent bikes but its difficult to know what damage or corrosion is inside the frame. Stress cracks from accidents that have been straightened on the rear triangle or just plain bad brazing with overheated joints etc. You just don't know what you are getting exactly. Some of those older frames were made with tubing thicknesses for specific brake styles and I'd be careful adding cantilever studs if the wall thicknesses are on the thin side ( run that by your builder) forks are pretty important . On one of my projects I tossed the original fork due to headset fit issues and felt better with a new, although inexpensive fork. When you start adding braze ons and paint you may as well buy a frame made for wider tires and all the goodies. Grant really does a good job in that regard with things fitting together nicely. I learned this with my Simple One.racks, fenders and tire clearance is just neatly done. I'd be inclined to buy the San Marcos but actually a Sam Hillborne is a better frame in my opinion. Not to beat a dead horse but whats wrong with the Trucker? I have one and its fine.I have a hard time believing that you'd notice much of a difference with a new frame. Sprightly.. that's a little vague.be honest, you just want a different bike. It may as well be a Rivendell they are pretty nice for quite a few good reasons. On Feb 7, 6:05 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my money... I am looking to get a nice all around bike for commuting, perhaps a century or two, 2 day bike overnight credit card, and light trail (crushed limestone/dirt) type riding. In the summer I wind up with 50 - 150 miles per week. I am currently using a Surly LHT for this type of riding, and really like it, but am longing for something a bit more .sprightly. Here is a picture of my current LHT to give you an idea of how I would like to setup this new ride. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/e_merlin/LHT%202010/IMG_0016.jpg I am not the tallest guy and ride a 50 - 53cm frame depending on the setup. I would outfit his new bike in a similar fashion with fenders, racks, rando bag etc... Here is my problem. I found a 531cs Trek 610 from 1984 that has (IMHO) nice geometry for my needs. Some specs - 430mm chain-stay, 52mm rake, 72mm bottom bracket drop, and i think 72 for so seat and head tube angles. Trek does not publish the geometry for anything but 22.5 frames that year... Trek Upgrade Path 1. 700C or 650B wheel conversion - bigger tire, better ride, more fender clearance (I already have a nice set of velocity 700c wheels for this project) 2. complete powder coat 3. Canti brake studs added 4. brazeons for various items 5. cold set the rear end 6. etc... I guess in the end this will require many new parts, some of which I have, but will be a considerable investment nonetheless. Now here comes the San Marcos It seems to be a nice solution as well and may very well similar in price to the trek by the time I am done with the frame parts. The San Marcos may be a bit more, but may be a better choice in the long run. The San Marcos seems to have perfect geometry for my kind of riding... What would you do if you were me? What bike will better serve me in the long run. I have to admit, since I live in Madison WI the Trek has some sentimental value to me. The San Marcos lugs look really nice however! I am torn with which direction to go, and since this is a big outlay of cash for me I am looking for some advice before going one way or the other... Thanks in a advance to any/all help. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
As an owner of a Sam Hil. And a 82' Trek 613, I'd recommend the San Marco, primarily because the Trek will run a maximum tire size of 28mm with fenders (700c conversion). Further, the Riv has a very nice feel that is quite distinct from the Trek, more stability, better down hill handling. Yep, my 2 little Rivs feel a whole lot nicer than my Trek 620. And just to add a bit more misery, have you compared the San Marcos to the Sam? -Liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
SH! If my wife hears that kind of talk I will be sleeping on the couch for a week! I have not compared them to be honest I will take a peek at some point, but that will kill the budget for sure. It will become a 2013 project for sure at that point. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_CD1LBg6xw0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
To add even more misery, have you considered the Hunqapillar? In an e- mail conversation with me, Grant basically described the Hunqapillar as a new, improved and better Atlantis! Something to think about. On Feb 8, 3:07 pm, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: As an owner of a Sam Hil. And a 82' Trek 613, I'd recommend the San Marco, primarily because the Trek will run a maximum tire size of 28mm with fenders (700c conversion). Further, the Riv has a very nice feel that is quite distinct from the Trek, more stability, better down hill handling. Yep, my 2 little Rivs feel a whole lot nicer than my Trek 620. And just to add a bit more misery, have you compared the San Marcos to the Sam? -Liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I've said before that it's always an honorable thing to revitalize an older, worthy frame. It seemed like it might be a push until you got to add canti posts - . It's also been a while since I looked seriously at 650B conversion candidates, and while I suspect that 610 is among them, I'm not sure. (Ride buddy JimG has been riding a converted Trek - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/6808560813/in/photostream - though he's a bit lankier than you.) And conversions generally have a way of going over budget. I'd also be more inclined if you were the original owner of the frame. To put it bluntly, you are taking a frame which you don't really know the history of, making significant changes to it, and hoping it comes out like the bike you think is perfect (geometrically speaking). I've been lucky enough to ride the prototype San Marcos and it was a wonderfully responsive setup, and comes from the factory for the kind of clearances which make sense for your purposes. If you are going to keep the LHT, I'd also give some thought to the amount of overlap which might be helpful between the two setups. They probably meet in the two day credit card tour vicinity. The San Marcos can certainly do that, but would be my go-to for centuries, longer rambles and certainly trail work. Hope that helps, - Jim / Cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tUO4iZNW05kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Greetings. I also live in Madison, ride a 610 from 1984. It's a 54 cm... I am 5'6. Nice bike, good geometry, vertical compliance is very nice. A bit of spring to it. Some thoughts. Start with a trip to Budget Bikes on Regent, the used store location. I've always found used fenders: in winter they'll sell you used Planet Bikes for $20. Get the biggest you can fit. Then find a tire that works with the fenders. You might, I say: might, get to 32s on a 700c rim, I did. though it's a challenge. Don't put cantis on the bike. The fork blades are softer than you suspect. I had my blades restored at Yellow Jersey after I picked up a stick that jammed in the fork crown. Which is to say... when you get the fenders, get the ones that have release capability. I learned that the hard way. But know... the fork blades are designed to deform before the top and down tubes, they aren't suitable for posts. Don't paint the bike. The enamel it has is good, it might need some Testor model paint spot-work, but that's easily done and if the bike looks less spiffy, so much the better when it's parked at Trader Joe's or Willy co-op. It rides the same. Consider an upright bar and Riv's SOS thumbshifters, if you're ride the Isthmus/campus/downtown a lot. I have the old Suntour Command thumbies and they are wonderful. I'd also look into Velo-Orange's Dia-Comp centerpulls. My 610 came with Shimano 600s, which are OK, but I think the centerpulls would be better. I had them on an old Raleigh Comp. and liked them a lot. As for braise-ons, you can do anything you want with p-clamps, and they are more flexible, should you change racks. Finally, call CronoMetro and see when the swap event is scheduled this spring. You can get everything you want, really cheap, at the swap. Great advice as well. Good luck. Will -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zR4UxxcuDsUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Both! San Marcos immediately and take your time with the Trek. Do the builds to complement each other in your stable. After you are done with both, if you decide there is too much overlap and you can't stand owning two bikes, sell the one you don't like. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5BzvQBpnWS0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I like buying new bikes as much as the next guy but I'd just build up the Trek without all the mods. Use it for your sprightlier adventures and keep the LHT (nice setup there by the way) for other times. The Soma looks like it'd ride quite nicely but my guess is that it splits the difference between the Trek and the LHT in some ways. I had a heavily-modded (by others) 650b'ified Trek 520 frame, which was fine but I don't know that all the work that went into it necessarily made it a better ride (but it was a cool project). The Treks that took 27 wheels can fit 700c x 32s and fenders. Ryan On Feb 7, 6:05 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my money... I am looking to get a nice all around bike for commuting, perhaps a century or two, 2 day bike overnight credit card, and light trail (crushed limestone/dirt) type riding. In the summer I wind up with 50 - 150 miles per week. I am currently using a Surly LHT for this type of riding, and really like it, but am longing for something a bit more .sprightly. Here is a picture of my current LHT to give you an idea of how I would like to setup this new ride. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/e_merlin/LHT%202010/IMG_0016.jpg I am not the tallest guy and ride a 50 - 53cm frame depending on the setup. I would outfit his new bike in a similar fashion with fenders, racks, rando bag etc... Here is my problem. I found a 531cs Trek 610 from 1984 that has (IMHO) nice geometry for my needs. Some specs - 430mm chain-stay, 52mm rake, 72mm bottom bracket drop, and i think 72 for so seat and head tube angles. Trek does not publish the geometry for anything but 22.5 frames that year... Trek Upgrade Path 1. 700C or 650B wheel conversion - bigger tire, better ride, more fender clearance (I already have a nice set of velocity 700c wheels for this project) 2. complete powder coat 3. Canti brake studs added 4. brazeons for various items 5. cold set the rear end 6. etc... I guess in the end this will require many new parts, some of which I have, but will be a considerable investment nonetheless. Now here comes the San Marcos It seems to be a nice solution as well and may very well similar in price to the trek by the time I am done with the frame parts. The San Marcos may be a bit more, but may be a better choice in the long run. The San Marcos seems to have perfect geometry for my kind of riding... What would you do if you were me? What bike will better serve me in the long run. I have to admit, since I live in Madison WI the Trek has some sentimental value to me. The San Marcos lugs look really nice however! I am torn with which direction to go, and since this is a big outlay of cash for me I am looking for some advice before going one way or the other... Thanks in a advance to any/all help. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
This is an interesting question! I have a 50 protobleriot, a 51saluki, and a little '86 Trek 620, plus my partner has a Surly LHT, *and* I grew up in Madison! (I'm just up 94 in Minneapolis now.) I've looked into doing a lot of work on my 620 (similar in many ways to what you've described) and have decided it's not the bike I want to put the investment into–but then I don't have the skill to build wheels or do welding, etc. It seems to me like the amount of work you're wanting to do changes the bike quite a bit so that it's no longer a Wisconsin Vintage Trek '82 610, but something that's morphed into a different bike. This may not be important to you. And you would love the Soma. On a different note, the small Soma frame takes a 650B wheel. I have two little bikes with this wheel size and love them, and love the ride. However, rims and tires are limited, and that's just a fact-of-the-matter is. Bottom line? Go with your heart. If you find yourself in Minneapolis and want to see my bikes, drop me an email. Little bikes, and their own quirks of space for saddle bags, etc, aren't discussed on the forum as much as big-bike things like double top-tubes and so forth. Best of luck on this caper! Keep us posted. -Liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 15:51 -0800, Liesl wrote: It seems to me like the amount of work you're wanting to do changes the bike quite a bit so that it's no longer a Wisconsin Vintage Trek '82 610, but something that's morphed into a different bike. Have you ever seen the creatively restored Raleighs Peter Weigle has done in the past couple of years? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
As an aside related to the poster who mentioned Budget Bikes on Regent in Madison. Anybody who visits Madison should take a gander at this place, as it is the most stupefying spectacle I've seen in cycling. There are actually, I think, four or five Budget Bike locations on Regent within a 2-block stretch, but the one of interest is the used bike warehouse. Thousands of used bikes, many of which are pieces of undeniable cycling historical interest, occupy every square inch of this large, minimally-heated warehouse. The prices are nothing short of outrageous, like $500+ for an old Schwinn Varsity or an unremarkable ladies Raleigh Sports from the 1970s, and the price for anything even remotely more desirable will generally be $2000+. The rumor is that if you show interest in one of the bikes, the price will suddenly be significantly greater if you return to buy it the following day. My friend tried to buy a Jack Taylor tandem there once, and the price seemed about right. The employee said, sorry, not for sale. But there's a price tag on it, right? Turns out the price tag was for insurance purposes. One current and one former employee there told me, when I asked about this curious business model, that the shop's owner focused on the acquisition side of the business, and that he made his living in real estate. The multiple bike shops are apparently some sort of hobby, or maybe a tax-avoidance scheme. In any case, I don't suggest buying anything there, but it sure is fun to wander around and look. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XK6FJRDcNvEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: As an aside related to the poster who mentioned Budget Bikes on Regent in Madison. Anybody who visits Madison should take a gander at this place, as it is the most stupefying spectacle I've seen in cycling. There are actually, I think, four or five Budget Bike locations on Regent within a 2-block stretch, but the one of interest is the used bike warehouse. Thousands of used bikes, many of which are pieces of undeniable cycling historical interest, occupy every square inch of this large, minimally-heated warehouse. The prices are nothing short of outrageous, like $500+ for an old Schwinn Varsity or an unremarkable ladies Raleigh Sports from the 1970s, and the price for anything even remotely more desirable will generally be $2000+. The rumor is that if you show interest in one of the bikes, the price will suddenly be significantly greater if you return to buy it the following day. My friend tried to buy a Jack Taylor tandem there once, and the price seemed about right. The employee said, sorry, not for sale. But there's a price tag on it, right? Turns out the price tag was for insurance purposes. One current and one former employee there told me, when I asked about this curious business model, that the shop's owner focused on the acquisition side of the business, and that he made his living in real estate. The multiple bike shops are apparently some sort of hobby, or maybe a tax-avoidance scheme. In any case, I don't suggest buying anything there, but it sure is fun to wander around and look. Jim, Very curious. This was the exact opposite of the experience I received when I visited Madison. We went by yellow jersey to see about renting a tandem for the week we were there. The attitude and contempt we received was unbelievable. We were told it was impossible to ride a tandem in the city and they would not rent one to us if we were planning to do that. When I asked if there was other bike shops that did not share that belief I was told that they didn't shop at other bike shops and didn't know of any. We left and went to budget bicycles - both their facility with hundreds upon hundreds of bikes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/5005545281/ and then their folder/tandem/recumbent-specific location. At the location with the many older bikes we talked with a couple of employees who said that they stockpile a lot of bikes and many of the turnover for the massive influx of students to U-W. I asked about tandems and they pointed me to the other location a few blocks down the street. At the tandem location we were shown their rental tandems and allowed to try them out before determining which one to take for the week. They were helpful and relaxed. We got a reasonable burley duet tandem and were treated quite well. We also got to try out a brompton while we were there. I asked about a map of the city paths. They didn't have one on hand at that location so they suggested we go across the street to one of their other locations. We went over there where we were given a map and then the map was highlighted by one of the folks there to tell us which paths were not in good shape right now. It was kinda fantastic service. I bought some tires and gloves from them before we left madison b/c of how well we were treated. I'd recommend them to others. Oh and I did see the two jack taylor tandems: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/5005556695/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/5005554239/ The price tags on them online are $.99 - which I suspect is the MAX for their system. They are also hung up 10 feet above the ground and angled so they can be seen but not touched. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Jim, It's true that the Budget Bike owner has changed the tenor of the business recently. It used to be a real budget bike store. I bought 3 used bikes there: Trek 620, 610, and 613 from the early 80s. They were all very reasonable. Budget's old business model was about recycling decent older bikes, keeping good rides on the road, so to speak. I heard the owner saw what was happening on eBay and decided he was in the collectibles business instead of the used bike business. Since then I have continued to buy used fenders and used parts, and in winter when it's really slow, good deals continue to be available. Used fenders in as-new condition can be had for $20. The real deal is the annual bike swap sponsored by ChronoMetro. The 600 series Treks from the early 1980s are nice bikes. They are a bit tight on tire clearance as practically everything from that time period is. On the other hand, it is really nice to ride 531 steel with slender tubes and stays. The bikes are lively in a way that OS tubes and beefier stays cannot match. The 610 is a great winter project bike. Will -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zMQrWPHI04QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Yes, I agree that the people at BBC are helpful and courteous. It just seemed like selling bikes was not part of the plan. I seem to recall that the JT tandem we looked at had a price tag of $1799 or so, but it wasn't actually for sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EboRv_T3xc4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Yes, I agree that the people at BBC are helpful and courteous. It just seemed like selling bikes was not part of the plan. I seem to recall that the JT tandem we looked at had a price tag of $1799 or so, but it wasn't actually for sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NAFvrjgwgzUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Hi, As an owner of a Sam Hil. And a 82' Trek 613, I'd recommend the San Marco, primarily because the Trek will run a maximum tire size of 28mm with fenders (700c conversion). Further, the Riv has a very nice feel that is quite distinct from the Trek, more stability, better down hill handling. Not only would the Sam Marco give you the chance to run BIG tires, you would know the history of the frame and be better able to control rust. Best, Seth Ely -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I have had a table at the chronometro swap since 2006, but decided to skip it this year. Maybe because I'm not local, I always felt it was difficult convincing people there that I wasn't trying to scam them. And there were a lot of gawkers who pawed through my stuff and offered lots of critiques (same guys every year) but never spent a nickel. From the perspective of a shopper, it is probably more favorable. One favorite story from that swap: I had a new-in-box 70s vintage campy BB on my table. A very rotund, sloppy-looking dude with a fanny-pack and a satin jacket with some tavern name embroidered on it got visibly excited when he saw it and asked my permission to open the box. No problem. After removing the BB spindle and cups and gazing longingly at them for about 10 long seconds, he carefully lifted the unit to his nose, and inhaled deeply, as if he was a wine connoisseur or something. Not knowing what to make of the situation, I quipped it still has that new bottom bracket smell with what I hoped was a disarming smile. He then got upset with me, and loudly and emphatically said NO! IT'S A CAMPY SMELL! He then put the BB back in the table, gave me a dirty look, and stomped away. I don't get a lot of sniffers in my line of work, but when they do sniff, I know they mean business. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EsRVl42wJIQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Between Will and Ryan It's pretty well spelled out. I'd take their advice. Not to mention the fact Will lives in MadTown. On Feb 7, 2:22 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: I like buying new bikes as much as the next guy but I'd just build up the Trek without all the mods. Use it for your sprightlier adventures and keep the LHT (nice setup there by the way) for other times. The Soma looks like it'd ride quite nicely but my guess is that it splits the difference between the Trek and the LHT in some ways. I had a heavily-modded (by others) 650b'ified Trek 520 frame, which was fine but I don't know that all the work that went into it necessarily made it a better ride (but it was a cool project). The Treks that took 27 wheels can fit 700c x 32s and fenders. Ryan On Feb 7, 6:05 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my money... I am looking to get a nice all around bike for commuting, perhaps a century or two, 2 day bike overnight credit card, and light trail (crushed limestone/dirt) type riding. In the summer I wind up with 50 - 150 miles per week. I am currently using a Surly LHT for this type of riding, and really like it, but am longing for something a bit more .sprightly. Here is a picture of my current LHT to give you an idea of how I would like to setup this new ride. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/e_merlin/LHT%202010/IMG_0016.jpg I am not the tallest guy and ride a 50 - 53cm frame depending on the setup. I would outfit his new bike in a similar fashion with fenders, racks, rando bag etc... Here is my problem. I found a 531cs Trek 610 from 1984 that has (IMHO) nice geometry for my needs. Some specs - 430mm chain-stay, 52mm rake, 72mm bottom bracket drop, and i think 72 for so seat and head tube angles. Trek does not publish the geometry for anything but 22.5 frames that year... Trek Upgrade Path 1. 700C or 650B wheel conversion - bigger tire, better ride, more fender clearance (I already have a nice set of velocity 700c wheels for this project) 2. complete powder coat 3. Canti brake studs added 4. brazeons for various items 5. cold set the rear end 6. etc... I guess in the end this will require many new parts, some of which I have, but will be a considerable investment nonetheless. Now here comes the San Marcos It seems to be a nice solution as well and may very well similar in price to the trek by the time I am done with the frame parts. The San Marcos may be a bit more, but may be a better choice in the long run. The San Marcos seems to have perfect geometry for my kind of riding... What would you do if you were me? What bike will better serve me in the long run. I have to admit, since I live in Madison WI the Trek has some sentimental value to me. The San Marcos lugs look really nice however! I am torn with which direction to go, and since this is a big outlay of cash for me I am looking for some advice before going one way or the other... Thanks in a advance to any/all help. Thanks- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Thanks Will - maybe I will see you on the cap city trail at some point. The Canti breaks not working on the fork was something I had not considered. I understand the 531CS is somewhat lighter than regular 531 so you may be right. Although there are many bikes with 531 Canti brakes... I appreciate the good advice - and will consider it carefully. I think brazen drop-outs -Cronometro's show was in January, and I missed it this year. It is a great swap meet for sure. Cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EjoT8b5tl5IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Thanks Liesl! Same to you - if you are in my area let me know and we can talk bike. I love to talk saddle bags, racks and such for smaller bikes. I hear you on all the mods on this thing, I hope it does not morph it into an abomination. I am luck I have a frame builder here (Banjo bicycles) who can do all these mods for me at a reasonable price. I am really leaning toward 650B conversion on this if I can figure out the brakes. Anyway - I will likely wind up with something like the San Marcos or AHH type ride and will likely wind up at that price. I believe it will wind up being special to me and a keeper for the long haul. I can see passing it along to my son at some point. Thanks again for the kind words and advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ok6NSnzHbMcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
No I will have to check that out - I am assuming they turned out nice? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/mL_jzaI-oVUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I mostly agree with your comments - I am friends with the manager who runs the store. The sad thing is there is another warehouse behind the showroom that is stocked with more bikes. I am not sure the owner really knows what he has. There are no deals there to be sure. Everything is really top dollar unless it has not been looked at in a while. I found a few diamonds there - like a Gitane TDF, one of the nicer ones in nice shape for a couple hundred dollars. I agree - if you come to Madison - you should stop and check this place out. Just do not expect to find any deals. The owner knows that he has some fine examples that are someones grail bike - and they will pay the asking price. Even my buddy has to make a call to the owner if someone makes an offer on a bike. I frequent the store to see what gems have be drug out of the back room. and drool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/02FjzEQMSZ0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
I was in a similar scenario two years ago, though I was way too broke to get the Sam Hillborne frame of my dreams and chose to parlay my bike budget into a 1986 Trek 520 frame. The frame was traded with a friend for a (nice, but too small) 80's Raleigh Grand Prix I bought for $150 on Ebay, and it was a Craigslist find my buddy scored for free, because I was desperate for the 64cm size. I couldn't live with the battered paint on it and went for a gorgeous $300 powdercoat in orange. Got all of the corrosion off and made it look factory fresh, a really handsome restore. All told, I spent $350 (powdercoat + headset) of cash on the frame and attached all manner of fancy Rivvish parts to it. Nitto cockpit, lugged seatpost to make the too short top tube work, Tektro long-reach brakes, nice wheelset, hell, even a split fender setup to work with the too-tight clearances. Basically, I threw good money (nice parts) after bad (powdercoating an anonymous decades old frame) and rode it about 2000 miles. Then, in November, I began to notice the fork wobbling a bit for about a week. The problem gradually got worse until I eventually realized there was a crack running all around the headtube lug. The vintage Trek that I had planned to get 20,000 miles of sadly barely got warmed up, and now it will just be a flamboyant piece of garden art or some such. I think the take-home message from this verbosity has already been said in the thread: don't do this sort of thing unless you are the original owner because god knows what that frame has been through. The story does have a happy ending, as the Hillborne of my dreams is arriving at my LBS tomorrow and it's going to be united with all that bike finery I invested in. At long last I will have a frame that truly fits my crazy 96 PBH and will confidently truck through wherever I go with whatever I carry for hopefully 100,000 miles or so. Can't wait! TL;DR: Threw $350 at an unknown frame, it broke after not much mileage. Mourned it's loss and got funds together for a Sam, gonna be riding happy a long time to come. On Feb 7, 9:05 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my money... I am looking to get a nice all around bike for commuting, perhaps a century or two, 2 day bike overnight credit card, and light trail (crushed limestone/dirt) type riding. In the summer I wind up with 50 - 150 miles per week. I am currently using a Surly LHT for this type of riding, and really like it, but am longing for something a bit more .sprightly. Here is a picture of my current LHT to give you an idea of how I would like to setup this new ride. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/e_merlin/LHT%202010/IMG_0016.jpg I am not the tallest guy and ride a 50 - 53cm frame depending on the setup. I would outfit his new bike in a similar fashion with fenders, racks, rando bag etc... Here is my problem. I found a 531cs Trek 610 from 1984 that has (IMHO) nice geometry for my needs. Some specs - 430mm chain-stay, 52mm rake, 72mm bottom bracket drop, and i think 72 for so seat and head tube angles. Trek does not publish the geometry for anything but 22.5 frames that year... Trek Upgrade Path 1. 700C or 650B wheel conversion - bigger tire, better ride, more fender clearance (I already have a nice set of velocity 700c wheels for this project) 2. complete powder coat 3. Canti brake studs added 4. brazeons for various items 5. cold set the rear end 6. etc... I guess in the end this will require many new parts, some of which I have, but will be a considerable investment nonetheless. Now here comes the San Marcos It seems to be a nice solution as well and may very well similar in price to the trek by the time I am done with the frame parts. The San Marcos may be a bit more, but may be a better choice in the long run. The San Marcos seems to have perfect geometry for my kind of riding... What would you do if you were me? What bike will better serve me in the long run. I have to admit, since I live in Madison WI the Trek has some sentimental value to me. The San Marcos lugs look really nice however! I am torn with which direction to go, and since this is a big outlay of cash for me I am looking for some advice before going one way or the other... Thanks in a advance to any/all help. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...
Worth emphasizing a huge factor is the clearances. My Trek 520 could (barely) take 32's and then had to do a split fender workaround. Now I'm gonna rock fat happy 40's with ultranormal fendering on the Sam. On Feb 8, 1:57 am, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I was in a similar scenario two years ago, though I was way too broke to get the Sam Hillborne frame of my dreams and chose to parlay my bike budget into a 1986 Trek 520 frame. The frame was traded with a friend for a (nice, but too small) 80's Raleigh Grand Prix I bought for $150 on Ebay, and it was a Craigslist find my buddy scored for free, because I was desperate for the 64cm size. I couldn't live with the battered paint on it and went for a gorgeous $300 powdercoat in orange. Got all of the corrosion off and made it look factory fresh, a really handsome restore. All told, I spent $350 (powdercoat + headset) of cash on the frame and attached all manner of fancy Rivvish parts to it. Nitto cockpit, lugged seatpost to make the too short top tube work, Tektro long-reach brakes, nice wheelset, hell, even a split fender setup to work with the too-tight clearances. Basically, I threw good money (nice parts) after bad (powdercoating an anonymous decades old frame) and rode it about 2000 miles. Then, in November, I began to notice the fork wobbling a bit for about a week. The problem gradually got worse until I eventually realized there was a crack running all around the headtube lug. The vintage Trek that I had planned to get 20,000 miles of sadly barely got warmed up, and now it will just be a flamboyant piece of garden art or some such. I think the take-home message from this verbosity has already been said in the thread: don't do this sort of thing unless you are the original owner because god knows what that frame has been through. The story does have a happy ending, as the Hillborne of my dreams is arriving at my LBS tomorrow and it's going to be united with all that bike finery I invested in. At long last I will have a frame that truly fits my crazy 96 PBH and will confidently truck through wherever I go with whatever I carry for hopefully 100,000 miles or so. Can't wait! TL;DR: Threw $350 at an unknown frame, it broke after not much mileage. Mourned it's loss and got funds together for a Sam, gonna be riding happy a long time to come. On Feb 7, 9:05 am, trek610 tspin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my money... I am looking to get a nice all around bike for commuting, perhaps a century or two, 2 day bike overnight credit card, and light trail (crushed limestone/dirt) type riding. In the summer I wind up with 50 - 150 miles per week. I am currently using a Surly LHT for this type of riding, and really like it, but am longing for something a bit more .sprightly. Here is a picture of my current LHT to give you an idea of how I would like to setup this new ride. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/e_merlin/LHT%202010/IMG_0016.jpg I am not the tallest guy and ride a 50 - 53cm frame depending on the setup. I would outfit his new bike in a similar fashion with fenders, racks, rando bag etc... Here is my problem. I found a 531cs Trek 610 from 1984 that has (IMHO) nice geometry for my needs. Some specs - 430mm chain-stay, 52mm rake, 72mm bottom bracket drop, and i think 72 for so seat and head tube angles. Trek does not publish the geometry for anything but 22.5 frames that year... Trek Upgrade Path 1. 700C or 650B wheel conversion - bigger tire, better ride, more fender clearance (I already have a nice set of velocity 700c wheels for this project) 2. complete powder coat 3. Canti brake studs added 4. brazeons for various items 5. cold set the rear end 6. etc... I guess in the end this will require many new parts, some of which I have, but will be a considerable investment nonetheless. Now here comes the San Marcos It seems to be a nice solution as well and may very well similar in price to the trek by the time I am done with the frame parts. The San Marcos may be a bit more, but may be a better choice in the long run. The San Marcos seems to have perfect geometry for my kind of riding... What would you do if you were me? What bike will better serve me in the long run. I have to admit, since I live in Madison WI the Trek has some sentimental value to me. The San Marcos lugs look really nice however! I am torn with which direction to go, and since this is a big outlay of cash for me I am looking for some advice before going one way or the other... Thanks in a advance to any/all help. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
