[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Benedikt]

I have Gran Cru on my Hillborne. It's a double. I had to use a 122mm 
spindle and even then added a 2-3mm spacer to the drive side. It JUST 
barely clears the derailleur. I think I rode it a while with a 118mm 
spindle and the spacer. Made it work but the 122 is really better.

The new build I'm doing (not a Riv) with the DaVinci cranks I'm using 
requires a 103mm spindle which was quite shocking and disbelievable to me.

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 7:50:17 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have been holding off on my desire for a new crankset ever since the 
> rumor of a new Silver crank from RBW, but am getting tired of waiting.  Has 
> anyone heard if these are immanent?
>
> The alternative might be the nice looking Grand Cru.  If so, the Velo 
> website suggests a 124 BB, which seems pretty big to me.  I have a PW 119 
> in my parts box and wonder if that wouldn't work on a bike with 130 
> dropouts and not overly large stays?
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Michael Hechmer]

If memory serves me right, I installed the DaVinci Triple on my Saluki with 
a 109, but it may have been 107.  I think the tandem ended up t 111.
Michael


On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 4:56:36 AM UTC-5, Benedikt wrote:
>
> I have Gran Cru on my Hillborne. It's a double. I had to use a 122mm 
> spindle and even then added a 2-3mm spacer to the drive side. It JUST 
> barely clears the derailleur. I think I rode it a while with a 118mm 
> spindle and the spacer. Made it work but the 122 is really better.
>
> The new build I'm doing (not a Riv) with the DaVinci cranks I'm using 
> requires a 103mm spindle which was quite shocking and disbelievable to me.
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 7:50:17 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I have been holding off on my desire for a new crankset ever since the 
>> rumor of a new Silver crank from RBW, but am getting tired of waiting.  Has 
>> anyone heard if these are immanent?
>>
>> The alternative might be the nice looking Grand Cru.  If so, the Velo 
>> website suggests a 124 BB, which seems pretty big to me.  I have a PW 119 
>> in my parts box and wonder if that wouldn't work on a bike with 130 
>> dropouts and not overly large stays?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Michael Hechmer]

Yes the Compass cranks are beautiful, and compared to a new Carmina, a 
bargain.   They also require proprietary rings, a definite drawback. 

Thanks also for the posts of the "silver" cranks from RBW.  They are 
definitely not going on my bike.

I run a 44/30 White Industries crank on my Ram and love it, but have never 
liked ring setups with 16 tooth jumps, like a 44/28.  It's to much work 
finding the next gear after a shift.  I'm looking to replace the RD2 on my 
Trek with a 48/34/26 because I live in Vermont, am over 70, but still like 
to (occasionally) take on a mountain climb and many of ours have 14% and up 
grades.  I can only sustain my cadence on the Ram (30/28) up to about 10%. 
  

I asked about the BB to know if I need to add a new one into this  budget.

Michael

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/09/2015 06:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> and in addition to having no idea when Silver Cranks will be for sale, we 
> have no idea what they will cost.  
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 2:10:54 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote: 
>>
>> In addition to the sale price on the Grand Cru, VO has everything on 20% 
>> discount until the 15th I believe. Another lister here alerted me to that 
>> tidbit.
>
>
>
> Or, you could resolve the ambiguity & skip the wait, and go first class 
> with these:
>
>
>
> They're even nicer looking in real life.  
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/cranks/rene-herse-double-crank/
>

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Garth]

  Michael , FWIW have you seen Sugino's Alpina 2 and Mighty Tour cranks ?  
Both of these are normal five bolt pattern(no silly hidden bolt).  If you 
are not everse to ordering overseas the "top of the line square taper" 
Mighty Tour is in your price range .  You can get just the arms or a 
complete with your choice of premium rings. These are made with a stronger 
aluminum than the Alpina 2 or XD. Alex's is well known and cetainly 
reliable store in Japan. 


http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/us/products/touring/mighty.html
http://www.alexscycle.com/cranks/fixed-non-njs-1-2-3-4-5-6/sugino-mighty-tour-pcd110-crank.html?currency=USD
http://www.alexscycle.com/cranks/road-1-2-3-4-5-6/sugino-mighty-tour-crank-set.html




















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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Edwin W]

Looking at those compass cranks makes me think:
They are beautiful. 
They are well made and well engineered. 
They are crazy expensive for someone like me, but the upside is they make even 
a $250 crank look cheap and reasonable. 

Cheap and reasonable, mostly used and low fi,

Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Justin August]

I would also consider the IRD cranks. Similar to the VO, they also have a 94bcd 
version (Mjolnir).

-J

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Kieran J]

Hi Michael,

Not sure which frame you are hoping to use the crankset on, but I believe 
you have a Rambouillet. 

On mine, I have one of the Grand Cru mkII 50.4 doubles - 172.5mm arms with 
44/30 rings on a 115mm BB. The chainstay-arm and chainstay-ring teeth 
clearance is perfect, but the bolts for the inner ring *just* clear the BB 
shell lug with a few mm to spare. A 118mm might be perfect if you are 
powerful enough a rider to flex the bike's BB area significantly (I'm not).

KJ


On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 10:50:17 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have been holding off on my desire for a new crankset ever since the 
> rumor of a new Silver crank from RBW, but am getting tired of waiting.  Has 
> anyone heard if these are immanent?
>
> The alternative might be the nice looking Grand Cru.  If so, the Velo 
> website suggests a 124 BB, which seems pretty big to me.  I have a PW 119 
> in my parts box and wonder if that wouldn't work on a bike with 130 
> dropouts and not overly large stays?
>
> Michael
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Jim Bronson]

I run 44/28 and I only use the 28 if it's really steep, and usually by the
time I'm done with it I'm out of breath, so having to find the right gear
in the back after upshifting again is a welcome respite for me.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Yes the Compass cranks are beautiful, and compared to a new Carmina, a
> bargain.   They also require proprietary rings, a definite drawback.
>
> Thanks also for the posts of the "silver" cranks from RBW.  They are
> definitely not going on my bike.
>
> I run a 44/30 White Industries crank on my Ram and love it, but have never
> liked ring setups with 16 tooth jumps, like a 44/28.  It's to much work
> finding the next gear after a shift.  I'm looking to replace the RD2 on my
> Trek with a 48/34/26 because I live in Vermont, am over 70, but still like
> to (occasionally) take on a mountain climb and many of ours have 14% and up
> grades.  I can only sustain my cadence on the Ram (30/28) up to about 10%.
>
>
> I asked about the BB to know if I need to add a new one into this  budget.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/09/2015 06:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> and in addition to having no idea when Silver Cranks will be for sale, we
>> have no idea what they will cost.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 2:10:54 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>>>
>>> In addition to the sale price on the Grand Cru, VO has everything on 20%
>>> discount until the 15th I believe. Another lister here alerted me to that
>>> tidbit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or, you could resolve the ambiguity & skip the wait, and go first class
>> with these:
>>
>>
>>
>> They're even nicer looking in real life.
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/cranks/rene-herse-double-crank/
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Jon Doyle]

The Grand Cru crank arms do need a long spindle due to the low-profile 
design. A shorter spindle may clear the chainstays, but it also may cause 
the crankarm to strike the chain in high gears.
Jon

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 10:50:17 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have been holding off on my desire for a new crankset ever since the 
> rumor of a new Silver crank from RBW, but am getting tired of waiting.  Has 
> anyone heard if these are immanent?
>
> The alternative might be the nice looking Grand Cru.  If so, the Velo 
> website suggests a 124 BB, which seems pretty big to me.  I have a PW 119 
> in my parts box and wonder if that wouldn't work on a bike with 130 
> dropouts and not overly large stays?
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Wayne Naha]

I believe that the new Silver cranks are due in March, or thereabouts.  So, 
not real soon. 

> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 10:50:17 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I have been holding off on my desire for a new crankset ever since the 
>> rumor of a new Silver crank from RBW, but am getting tired of waiting.  Has 
>> anyone heard if these are immanent?
>>
>> The alternative might be the nice looking Grand Cru.  If so, the Velo 
>> website suggests a 124 BB, which seems pretty big to me.  I have a PW 119 
>> in my parts box and wonder if that wouldn't work on a bike with 130 
>> dropouts and not overly large stays?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[George Schick]

Probably makes a difference whether it's a double or triple.  I bought one 
of the Grand Cru doubles this past year and I love it.  It went on to a 
Rambouillet with 130mm spacing (well…132.5mm I guess they call it) along 
with a 119mm PW BB and everything fits together just fine.  In fact, VO 
recommends a 118mm for this crankset, but recommends a 124mm for the 
triple, so if that's what you've got I'd be inclined to trust their advice. 
 With the BB pretty much centered in the BB shell both crank arms measure 
just about the exact same distance from their respective chain stays.  And 
I just checked - VO still has their blue light special for the double 
marked down to $140 from the usual $190 (unfortunately, I bought mine 
before the price went into effect).

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 9:50:17 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have been holding off on my desire for a new crankset ever since the 
> rumor of a new Silver crank from RBW, but am getting tired of waiting.  Has 
> anyone heard if these are immanent?
>
> The alternative might be the nice looking Grand Cru.  If so, the Velo 
> website suggests a 124 BB, which seems pretty big to me.  I have a PW 119 
> in my parts box and wonder if that wouldn't work on a bike with 130 
> dropouts and not overly large stays?
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[George Schick]

BB spindle length mystery for the Grand Cru solved!!
Thanks Nathan

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 2:32:41 PM UTC-6, N. Llama wrote:
>
> The Grand Cru triple is just the double with a 110/74 tripilizer on it, 
> which is why the wider BB is needed compared to a Sugino Triple
>
> Nathan Spratt
> Victoria, BC
>
> On Wednesday, 9 December 2015 10:20:03 UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Probably makes a difference whether it's a double or triple.  I bought 
>> one of the Grand Cru doubles this past year and I love it.  It went on to a 
>> Rambouillet with 130mm spacing (well…132.5mm I guess they call it) along 
>> with a 119mm PW BB and everything fits together just fine.  In fact, VO 
>> recommends a 118mm for this crankset, but recommends a 124mm for the 
>> triple, so if that's what you've got I'd be inclined to trust their advice. 
>>  With the BB pretty much centered in the BB shell both crank arms measure 
>> just about the exact same distance from their respective chain stays.  And 
>> I just checked - VO still has their blue light special for the double 
>> marked down to $140 from the usual $190 (unfortunately, I bought mine 
>> before the price went into effect).
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 9:50:17 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been holding off on my desire for a new crankset ever since the 
>>> rumor of a new Silver crank from RBW, but am getting tired of waiting.  Has 
>>> anyone heard if these are immanent?
>>>
>>> The alternative might be the nice looking Grand Cru.  If so, the Velo 
>>> website suggests a 124 BB, which seems pretty big to me.  I have a PW 119 
>>> in my parts box and wonder if that wouldn't work on a bike with 130 
>>> dropouts and not overly large stays?
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[N. Llama]

The Grand Cru triple is just the double with a 110/74 tripilizer on it, 
which is why the wider BB is needed compared to a Sugino Triple

Nathan Spratt
Victoria, BC

On Wednesday, 9 December 2015 10:20:03 UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>
> Probably makes a difference whether it's a double or triple.  I bought one 
> of the Grand Cru doubles this past year and I love it.  It went on to a 
> Rambouillet with 130mm spacing (well…132.5mm I guess they call it) along 
> with a 119mm PW BB and everything fits together just fine.  In fact, VO 
> recommends a 118mm for this crankset, but recommends a 124mm for the 
> triple, so if that's what you've got I'd be inclined to trust their advice. 
>  With the BB pretty much centered in the BB shell both crank arms measure 
> just about the exact same distance from their respective chain stays.  And 
> I just checked - VO still has their blue light special for the double 
> marked down to $140 from the usual $190 (unfortunately, I bought mine 
> before the price went into effect).
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 9:50:17 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I have been holding off on my desire for a new crankset ever since the 
>> rumor of a new Silver crank from RBW, but am getting tired of waiting.  Has 
>> anyone heard if these are immanent?
>>
>> The alternative might be the nice looking Grand Cru.  If so, the Velo 
>> website suggests a 124 BB, which seems pretty big to me.  I have a PW 119 
>> in my parts box and wonder if that wouldn't work on a bike with 130 
>> dropouts and not overly large stays?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[islaysteve]

In addition to the sale price on the Grand Cru, VO has everything on 20% 
discount until the 15th I believe. Another lister here alerted me to that 
tidbit.

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[sameness]

If the Silver crankset you're waiting on is the same as the one spec'd on 
the Clems, it looks to me like the older version of the FSA Vero (or 
whomever made it for them) with an Andel chainring guard.

Not trying to bust a sale from RBW, just trying to be helpful if you can't 
wait.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[George Schick]

Gents - I don't want to hijack Michael's thread in which he was just 
inquiring about BB widths, but I strolled down this very same path a while 
back.  I was originally set up (read that "talked into") a 12-23 9-speed 
cassette coupled with a 36/48 TA Zephyr Light double along with a TA Axix 
BB.  This set up gave me a high gear of 106" (assume 171mm cranks), a low 
gear of 42", and a "middle" (i.e., large chainring/middle cog of the 
9-speed cassette) of 80".  This was over the top for most of the riding I 
do around a mostly flat area with the occasional steeper climbs up from 
river banks.

I like to have that "middle gear" to be as close as possible to 70", my 
normal riding gear.  So I changed the cassette to a 14-25, which gave me a 
high of 91", a low of 38", and a middle gear of 71".  Then, a couple of 
years ago I began having all kinds of problems with the seals on that Axix 
BB and really didn't like the lowest gear available with that Zephyr 36/48. 
 So I began shopping around.  I saw that R.Hearse 28/44 - it looked 
fantastic.  And it would have given me a low of 32", a high of 97", and a 
middle gear of 73", very close to my desired sweet spot, if I had switched 
back to the 12-23 cassette.  Cool enough, but at almost 3 times the cost of 
the VO Grand Cru 34/48??!!  Man, I just couldn't get my arms around that. 
 So I bought the VO and now I'm happy as a clam with a low of 36", a high 
of 91", and a middle gear of 71".  I guess it's all a matter of personal 
taste and willingness to spend the extra bucks.

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 5:41:00 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 12/09/2015 06:29 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: 
> > Steve is right.  That's the nicest $500 triple crankset out there. 
> > 
>
> Makes a really nice compact double, too.  28/44 seems quite popular, and 
> you can make some really nice gearing patterns with it. 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Bill Lindsay]

and in addition to having no idea when Silver Cranks will be for sale, we 
have no idea what they will cost.  

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 2:10:54 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> In addition to the sale price on the Grand Cru, VO has everything on 20% 
> discount until the 15th I believe. Another lister here alerted me to that 
> tidbit.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/09/2015 06:29 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Steve is right.  That's the nicest $500 triple crankset out there.



Makes a really nice compact double, too.  28/44 seems quite popular, and 
you can make some really nice gearing patterns with it.


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve is right.  That's the nicest $500 triple crankset out there.  


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/09/2015 09:13 PM, George Schick wrote:
 I saw that R.Hearse 28/44 - it looked fantastic.  And it would have 
given me a low of 32", a high of 97", and a middle gear of 73", very 
close to my desired sweet spot, if I had switched back to the 12-23 
cassette.  Cool enough, but at almost 3 times the cost of the VO Grand 
Cru 34/48??!!  Man, I just couldn't get my arms around that.  So I 
bought the VO and now I'm happy as a clam with a low of 36", a high of 
91", and a middle gear of 71".  I guess it's all a matter of personal 
taste and willingness to spend the extra bucks.


Well, that's certainly true.  The RH crank isn't inexpensive.  On the 
other hand, in recent years many cranks have become far more costly than 
that: over $500 for a Campagnolo Record, for example.


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