Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Roger Morrison]

Patrick,  yes it is a first generation Cyclone GT(with matching front 
derailleur). The frame is big, at 68cm. I bought the frameset a few months 
ago, and built it up mostly with stuff that I had on hand. It is a good 
riding bike, but a little on the heavy side. 

Other notable parts:
Shimano 7402 shifters(set to friction mode)
Shimano BR70 brakes
Nitto dirt drop bars 
Sugino AT crankset minus the small ring 
B17 saddle 
Deore seatpost 
STX wheelset from a Trek 520
38mm Gravelkings 
Nitto M12 rack
Swift Industries bags

Probably a couple other things that I am forgetting..


Roger Morrison 
Snohomish, WA


On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 4:51:20 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Roger; I wish I had even your abilities with photographs. Again, a 
> very nice pseudo-Riv.
>
> The new photo emphasizes the height of the frame; yours with 700C wheels 
> looks much like mine (58 cm c-c, but upsloping tt) with 559 X 41 (25 3/5" 
> tall) wheels.
>
> And is that an old Suntour Cyclone rd? 
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 6:34 PM Roger Morrison  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Patrick. The fenders are Civia brand, and this is one of the 
>> colors that they came in( it's brick or clay looking). I bought them about 
>> eight or nine years ago. 
>>
>> Here's a photo that better captures the color.
>>
>> Roger in Snohomish(who needs to learn what time of day to take photos)
>>
>> [image: 3_20210325_184827_d6c1df071a39764a8416f82e461810728e2961c4.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:45:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Another very nice alt-Riv or Riv substitute. It may well be my eyes, but 
>>> are those wooden fenders, or simply painted to match the screen.
>>>
>>> Oh, and thank you for not pasting in a photo so big it expands the body 
>>> beyond typical window limits.
>>>
>>> I posted a photo of one of my pseudo-Rivs, the first Matthews (Matthews 
>>> 1:1). Here is another, Matthews 2:1. No verses to cite yet, tho' I may have 
>>> someone fix some relatively minor mishaps, after which it will be Matthews 
>>> 2:2. I have no Mark, Luke, or John.
>>>
>>> This is a simple clone of one of my Riv customs, but with all sorts of 
>>> tweaks and upgrades and modifications and features that Grant would never 
>>> countenance, such as: 118 mm OL spacing, home-made extra-long, extra-thin 
>>> rear dropouts to accommodate short Sturmey Archer axles, odd shifter 
>>> housing stop braze-ons, internal dynamo wiring, custom racks, and 
>>> picky-picky care to accommodate 42s with fenders with that 118 mm OL (turns 
>>> out I could have had it built with 114 OL: AM hub 114 mm, new/old Brit 
>>> fixed hub 110, and hopefully ASC -- we'll C if deal goes thru -- 114 mm OL; 
>>> otherwise 110 TF).
>>>
>>> And apologies for the really bad photo. I do try; this one was the 
>>> second attempt. I'll take a clearer one some day.
>>>
>>> Patrick "weird" Moore
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 2:40 PM Roger Morrison  wrote:
>>>
 I haven't found the super sized Riv yet. However I was able to build an 
 Expedition with a big box on it recently. I still need to sort out a 
 decaleur for it. [image: 20210516_110639.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Patrick Moore]

"...frame?"

Patrick "can't type, neither" Moore

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 5:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... are those wooden fenders, or simply painted to match the screen.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Michael Morrissey]

Here is my pseudo-Rivendell! It's a lugged steel 26" Trek 830. I thought 
this was the first year, but it's the second year they made them: 1984. I 
have ridden this bike all over NYC but now it's in storage and I ride my 
Rivendell most of the time. For me this bike is DIALED IN to just what I 
want and very patina-ed. I made this video a few years ago but not much has 
changed in the bike except tires and saddle. 

I made a video about this bike. Somehow the youtube algorithm liked it and 
it has 25k views:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3dJFTgcJiY

Enjoy!

Michael

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 3:40:49 PM UTC-4 lexi...@msn.com wrote:

> I haven't found the super sized Riv yet. However I was able to build an 
> Expedition with a big box on it recently. I still need to sort out a 
> decaleur for it. [image: 20210516_110639.jpg]
>
> Roger in Snohomish, WA 
> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 5:03:28 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This one's on Craigslist this weekend, fun to build, fun to ride, time to 
>> make room for another little project though.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210514_190355683.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 12:48:02 PM UTC-5 Shawn Granton wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 7:02 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Its a Blackburn front mountain rack. Works well with a basket. 
>>>
>>>
>>> That was called a Blackburn MTF-1. I had it on a couple bikes in the 
>>> past. It indeed was a great rack for putting a basket atop it, not that 
>>> great for panniers unless you like them up high.
>>>
>>> Looks like Blackburn has discontinued them. REI still has it up on their 
>>> site:
>>> https://www.rei.com/product/856307/blackburn-mtf-1-front-bike-rack
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Shawn 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Shawn Granton]

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 7:02 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Its a Blackburn front mountain rack. Works well with a basket.


That was called a Blackburn MTF-1. I had it on a couple bikes in the past.
It indeed was a great rack for putting a basket atop it, not that great for
panniers unless you like them up high.

Looks like Blackburn has discontinued them. REI still has it up on their
site:
https://www.rei.com/product/856307/blackburn-mtf-1-front-bike-rack

Best,
Shawn

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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

['j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Its a Blackburn front mountain rack. Works well with a basket. 

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:49:01 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Is that a rear rack repurposed as a front rack on your CB-1? I did the 
> same to a Vetta rack that I have on my 1st gen Stumpjumper.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 10:02:29 AM UTC-4 j glenn wrote:
>
>> [image: cb-1.jpg]
>> Not the best photo, but here's my  Countrified  CB-1 from last year. 
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:21:46 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's super nice, the 650b is the way to go & thank goodness for the 
>>> Tektro R559s for making these conversions possible. My next one (after I 
>>> sell the Bridgestone single-speed MTB) will hopefully be based on a more 
>>> touring oriented frameset where I will have to reach for the measuring 
>>> calipers a little less, do some vintage cantilevers and have real mounting 
>>> points for racks & fenders.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:52:42 PM UTC-5 Fullylugged wrote:
>>>
 [image: Ferrous Beuller.jpg]
 Here's Ferrous Bueller. A Japanese Tange CroMo frameset with a 650B 
 conversion. Couple of RBW items on it and a seat tube decal from this 
 list. 
 Picture is a few years old but the bike is basically the same today. 
 On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:27:05 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a 
> larger size, I'll keep my eye open.
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; 
>> it's a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, 
>> let 
>> me know; I'm in your market!
>>
>> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first 
>> got into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
>> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on 
>> there. 
>> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. 
>> This 
>> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, 
>> like 
>> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
>> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made 
>>> an already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for 
>>> sale 
>>> in Dallas if anyone's interested.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]
>>>
>>> I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by 
>>> Riv's recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
>>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:
>>>
 I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few 
 months now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but 
 I 
 don't have any Rivendell frames (yet!). 

 However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I 
 figured I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in 
 question is a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off 
 from a 
 Rivendell ;)

 I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I 
 needed a new project and the price point was just right for me. It was 
 pretty much entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this 
 color 
 "Blue Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously 
 filled in 
 with blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a 
 zippy 
 singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival 
 since 
 the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 

 Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b 
 wheelset (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this 
 beauty 
 into a "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished 
 product 
 and boy howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for 
 this 
 bike. I usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, 
 but 
 this Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days 
 riding 
 around campus again.  

 Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
 inspired builds!

 -Clayton

 [image: IMG_1440.JPG]



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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[JohnS]

Is that a rear rack repurposed as a front rack on your CB-1? I did the same 
to a Vetta rack that I have on my 1st gen Stumpjumper.

JohnS

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 10:02:29 AM UTC-4 j glenn wrote:

> [image: cb-1.jpg]
> Not the best photo, but here's my  Countrified  CB-1 from last year. 
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:21:46 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> That's super nice, the 650b is the way to go & thank goodness for the 
>> Tektro R559s for making these conversions possible. My next one (after I 
>> sell the Bridgestone single-speed MTB) will hopefully be based on a more 
>> touring oriented frameset where I will have to reach for the measuring 
>> calipers a little less, do some vintage cantilevers and have real mounting 
>> points for racks & fenders.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:52:42 PM UTC-5 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Ferrous Beuller.jpg]
>>> Here's Ferrous Bueller. A Japanese Tange CroMo frameset with a 650B 
>>> conversion. Couple of RBW items on it and a seat tube decal from this list. 
>>> Picture is a few years old but the bike is basically the same today. 
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:27:05 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a 
 larger size, I'll keep my eye open.

 On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; 
> it's a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, 
> let 
> me know; I'm in your market!
>
> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first 
> got into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
>> already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale 
>> in 
>> Dallas if anyone's interested.
>>
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]
>>
>> I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by 
>> Riv's recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:
>>
>>> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few 
>>> months now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I 
>>> don't have any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>>>
>>> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I 
>>> figured I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in 
>>> question is a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from 
>>> a 
>>> Rivendell ;)
>>>
>>> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed 
>>> a new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty 
>>> much 
>>> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
>>> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in 
>>> with 
>>> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
>>> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival 
>>> since 
>>> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b 
>>> wheelset (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty 
>>> into a "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished 
>>> product 
>>> and boy howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this 
>>> bike. I usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, 
>>> but 
>>> this Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days 
>>> riding 
>>> around campus again.  
>>>
>>> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
>>> inspired builds!
>>>
>>> -Clayton
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

That's super nice, the 650b is the way to go & thank goodness for the 
Tektro R559s for making these conversions possible. My next one (after I 
sell the Bridgestone single-speed MTB) will hopefully be based on a more 
touring oriented frameset where I will have to reach for the measuring 
calipers a little less, do some vintage cantilevers and have real mounting 
points for racks & fenders.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:52:42 PM UTC-5 Fullylugged wrote:

> [image: Ferrous Beuller.jpg]
> Here's Ferrous Bueller. A Japanese Tange CroMo frameset with a 650B 
> conversion. Couple of RBW items on it and a seat tube decal from this list. 
> Picture is a few years old but the bike is basically the same today. 
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:27:05 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a 
>> larger size, I'll keep my eye open.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; 
>>> it's a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, let 
>>> me know; I'm in your market!
>>>
>>> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first got 
>>> into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
>>> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
>>> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
>>> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
>>> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
>>> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
 already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale 
 in 
 Dallas if anyone's interested.


 https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html

 [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]

 I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by 
 Riv's recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
 On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:

> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months 
> now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't 
> have 
> any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>
> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I 
> figured I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in 
> question is a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a 
> Rivendell ;)
>
> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a 
> new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in 
> with 
> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival 
> since 
> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>
> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b 
> wheelset (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty 
> into a "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product 
> and boy howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this 
> bike. I usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but 
> this Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days 
> riding 
> around campus again.  
>
> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
> inspired builds!
>
> -Clayton
>
> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a larger 
size, I'll keep my eye open.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; it's 
> a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, let me 
> know; I'm in your market!
>
> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first got 
> into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
>> already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale in 
>> Dallas if anyone's interested.
>>
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]
>>
>> I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by Riv's 
>> recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:
>>
>>> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months 
>>> now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't have 
>>> any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>>>
>>> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I figured 
>>> I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in question is 
>>> a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a Rivendell ;)
>>>
>>> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a 
>>> new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
>>> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
>>> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in with 
>>> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
>>> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival since 
>>> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b wheelset 
>>> (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty into a 
>>> "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product and boy 
>>> howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this bike. I 
>>> usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but this 
>>> Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days riding 
>>> around campus again.  
>>>
>>> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
>>> inspired builds!
>>>
>>> -Clayton
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[ascpgh]

I took a pass on a RockCombo in '89 to get a StumpJumper in Mark's magenta 
and Di Nucci green with the acre of sticker (not decal)  smoothing the 
colors' junction on the top tube after seriously considering it but opting 
for the more relaxed steering geo of the stalwart MTB. I had tough enough 
trails that for riding them my bike needed to be less of a combo and more 
of a specific tool. I guess that was an accurate decision as I broke a 
chainstay on that frame which they warrantied with a dark smoky purple 
Prestige StumpJumper Comp with dark red lettering. Now that was sweet. I 
just couldn't swing the sticker price money for the complete bike over the 
base model.

Three years later I did get a "92 Bridgestone XO-2, the purple one with the 
WTB Dirt Drops as a non technical trail all-roader. A very under 
appreciated yeoman all arounder that should join your list. Still in long 
term loan use up the block. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 12:44:38 PM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:

> Johnny, thanks for the link. And Michael, thanks for the feedback. 
> This clarifies things. Sounds like the biggest downfall of the bike was 
> just the 26" wheel size, and is only a downfall in terms of acceptance and 
> not in performance.
> Its sad to think that a market preference for 700c wheels, with skinny 
> tires, "killed" 26" bikes like the Rock Combo.
> Something like the visionaries having to follow the blind.
> I'll tack some on to my question in my previous post: desired allrounder 
> bikes of yore - 
> - Rock Combo
> - XO-1
> - MB-1 and MB-0 ?
> - Hunqapillar
> Happy to see additions or subtractions to/from this list.
> @kevs_bikes and @sfbiketrader have some interesting ones on Instagram.
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:53:51 AM UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> thanks for that link johnny. matthew -  mine does have some pretty shoddy 
>> tig - seat tube connection has a hole. The BB height did seem excessively 
>> low when I first jumped on it, but surprisingly I haven't had too much 
>> issue out riding, even on some pretty rough trail. And that is pretty much 
>> what I ride it on - rougher mixed terrain rides. It has that magic feel. 
>> Would love to have a Rivendell to compare it to!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:19:51 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Matthew P
>>>
>>> Here's a slightly more detailed version of the criticism of the Rock 
>>> Combo, seems like Bryan Bainbridge was unhappy
>>> that the factory that made them changed the BB drop and the tubing spec 
>>> (the comment at the bottom of the page is from BB himself):
>>>
>>>
>>> http://2wheelfetish.blogspot.com/2012/04/drop-bar-mountain-bike-redux-vintage.html
>>>
>>> I still love the Rock Combo concept and design though. 
>>>
>>> Johnny in Belgium
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 18:43:18 UTC+2 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
 I love this thread.
 And I like Liam's RockCombo on the Radavist 
 https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
 But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the 
 bike designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically 
 trashed 
 it!
 Thoughts?
 Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
 Thanks.
 -Matthew

 On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a 
> Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some 
>> point. until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock 
>> combo.
>>
>> Michael 
>> Boone, NC.
>>
>> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c 
>>> rims?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>>
 I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the 
 original pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't 
 really 
 have that classic Rivendell look. 

 But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been 
 reconfigured over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a 
 five-speed, 27" drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 
 700C 
 rims, a six-speed freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, 
 Brooks B-17 saddle, cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley 
 saddlebag, 
 bell, etc. Since this photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the 
 rear. 
 And 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Steven Sweedler]

Matthew, I got the impression from comments that Bryant Bainbridge made
years ago that the extra weight was  a big part of the low sales.
Specialized sold them to shop employees for a very large discount. Steve

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 12:44 PM Matthew P 
wrote:

> Johnny, thanks for the link. And Michael, thanks for the feedback.
> This clarifies things. Sounds like the biggest downfall of the bike was
> just the 26" wheel size, and is only a downfall in terms of acceptance and
> not in performance.
> Its sad to think that a market preference for 700c wheels, with skinny
> tires, "killed" 26" bikes like the Rock Combo.
> Something like the visionaries having to follow the blind.
> I'll tack some on to my question in my previous post: desired allrounder
> bikes of yore -
> - Rock Combo
> - XO-1
> - MB-1 and MB-0 ?
> - Hunqapillar
> Happy to see additions or subtractions to/from this list.
> @kevs_bikes and @sfbiketrader have some interesting ones on Instagram.
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:53:51 AM UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> thanks for that link johnny. matthew -  mine does have some pretty shoddy
>> tig - seat tube connection has a hole. The BB height did seem excessively
>> low when I first jumped on it, but surprisingly I haven't had too much
>> issue out riding, even on some pretty rough trail. And that is pretty much
>> what I ride it on - rougher mixed terrain rides. It has that magic feel.
>> Would love to have a Rivendell to compare it to!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:19:51 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Matthew P
>>>
>>> Here's a slightly more detailed version of the criticism of the Rock
>>> Combo, seems like Bryan Bainbridge was unhappy
>>> that the factory that made them changed the BB drop and the tubing spec
>>> (the comment at the bottom of the page is from BB himself):
>>>
>>>
>>> http://2wheelfetish.blogspot.com/2012/04/drop-bar-mountain-bike-redux-vintage.html
>>>
>>> I still love the Rock Combo concept and design though.
>>>
>>> Johnny in Belgium
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 18:43:18 UTC+2 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
 I love this thread.
 And I like Liam's RockCombo on the Radavist
 https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
 But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the
 bike designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically trashed
 it!
 Thoughts?
 Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
 Thanks.
 -Matthew

 On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a
> Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some
>> point. until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock
>> combo.
>>
>> Michael
>> Boone, NC.
>>
>> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image:
>> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image:
>> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c
>>> rims?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>>
 I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the
 original pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't 
 really
 have that classic Rivendell look.

 But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been
 reconfigured over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a
 five-speed, 27" drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C
 rims, a six-speed freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters,
 Brooks B-17 saddle, cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag,
 bell, etc. Since this photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the 
 rear.
 And after swapping out the crankset, seat post and other heavier 
 parts, the
 only original items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem,
 derailleurs, and brake calipers!

 Bob E
 Cranford, NJ[image: Raleigh Sandy Hook copy.jpg]
 On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.
>
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:19:58 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>  ... Here's my '87 FW Evans back when it was doing double duty as
>> a errands bike and quick road bike. It's much less sexy these days 
>> sporting
>> 9 speed bits, fenders, and sturdier rubber, and it's loving life as a
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Den John]

I agree, I also think modern gravel bikes would be better off with 26" x
55mm tyres, rather than 700 x 42 or whatever the 'standard' is this year.

Couple of possible additions to the list:

Raleigh Tamarack - an early and seemingly unsuccessful attempt at a 650B
mtb: photo (not mine) here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/1424440013/

Bianchi Project Series - there is a bit of discussion about these but it
seems the Project 7 was an early attempt at a 29" MTB rather than a hybrid.
Would probably do nicely as a version of one of Rivendell's 29" models, if
you could find one.


On Tue, 11 May 2021 at 18:44, Matthew P 
wrote:

> Johnny, thanks for the link. And Michael, thanks for the feedback.
> This clarifies things. Sounds like the biggest downfall of the bike was
> just the 26" wheel size, and is only a downfall in terms of acceptance and
> not in performance.
> Its sad to think that a market preference for 700c wheels, with skinny
> tires, "killed" 26" bikes like the Rock Combo.
> Something like the visionaries having to follow the blind.
> I'll tack some on to my question in my previous post: desired allrounder
> bikes of yore -
> - Rock Combo
> - XO-1
> - MB-1 and MB-0 ?
> - Hunqapillar
> Happy to see additions or subtractions to/from this list.
> @kevs_bikes and @sfbiketrader have some interesting ones on Instagram.
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:53:51 AM UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> thanks for that link johnny. matthew -  mine does have some pretty shoddy
>> tig - seat tube connection has a hole. The BB height did seem excessively
>> low when I first jumped on it, but surprisingly I haven't had too much
>> issue out riding, even on some pretty rough trail. And that is pretty much
>> what I ride it on - rougher mixed terrain rides. It has that magic feel.
>> Would love to have a Rivendell to compare it to!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:19:51 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Matthew P
>>>
>>> Here's a slightly more detailed version of the criticism of the Rock
>>> Combo, seems like Bryan Bainbridge was unhappy
>>> that the factory that made them changed the BB drop and the tubing spec
>>> (the comment at the bottom of the page is from BB himself):
>>>
>>>
>>> http://2wheelfetish.blogspot.com/2012/04/drop-bar-mountain-bike-redux-vintage.html
>>>
>>> I still love the Rock Combo concept and design though.
>>>
>>> Johnny in Belgium
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 18:43:18 UTC+2 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
 I love this thread.
 And I like Liam's RockCombo on the Radavist
 https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
 But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the
 bike designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically trashed
 it!
 Thoughts?
 Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
 Thanks.
 -Matthew

 On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a
> Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some
>> point. until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock
>> combo.
>>
>> Michael
>> Boone, NC.
>>
>> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image:
>> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image:
>> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c
>>> rims?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>>
 I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the
 original pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't 
 really
 have that classic Rivendell look.

 But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been
 reconfigured over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a
 five-speed, 27" drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C
 rims, a six-speed freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters,
 Brooks B-17 saddle, cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag,
 bell, etc. Since this photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the 
 rear.
 And after swapping out the crankset, seat post and other heavier 
 parts, the
 only original items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem,
 derailleurs, and brake calipers!

 Bob E
 Cranford, NJ[image: Raleigh Sandy Hook copy.jpg]
 On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.

Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

Johnny, thanks for the link. And Michael, thanks for the feedback. 
This clarifies things. Sounds like the biggest downfall of the bike was 
just the 26" wheel size, and is only a downfall in terms of acceptance and 
not in performance.
Its sad to think that a market preference for 700c wheels, with skinny 
tires, "killed" 26" bikes like the Rock Combo.
Something like the visionaries having to follow the blind.
I'll tack some on to my question in my previous post: desired allrounder 
bikes of yore - 
- Rock Combo
- XO-1
- MB-1 and MB-0 ?
- Hunqapillar
Happy to see additions or subtractions to/from this list.
@kevs_bikes and @sfbiketrader have some interesting ones on Instagram.

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:53:51 AM UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:

> thanks for that link johnny. matthew -  mine does have some pretty shoddy 
> tig - seat tube connection has a hole. The BB height did seem excessively 
> low when I first jumped on it, but surprisingly I haven't had too much 
> issue out riding, even on some pretty rough trail. And that is pretty much 
> what I ride it on - rougher mixed terrain rides. It has that magic feel. 
> Would love to have a Rivendell to compare it to!
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:19:51 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Matthew P
>>
>> Here's a slightly more detailed version of the criticism of the Rock 
>> Combo, seems like Bryan Bainbridge was unhappy
>> that the factory that made them changed the BB drop and the tubing spec 
>> (the comment at the bottom of the page is from BB himself):
>>
>>
>> http://2wheelfetish.blogspot.com/2012/04/drop-bar-mountain-bike-redux-vintage.html
>>
>> I still love the Rock Combo concept and design though. 
>>
>> Johnny in Belgium
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 18:43:18 UTC+2 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> I love this thread.
>>> And I like Liam's RockCombo on the Radavist 
>>> https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
>>> But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the bike 
>>> designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically trashed it!
>>> Thoughts?
>>> Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
>>> Thanks.
>>> -Matthew
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a 
 Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 

 On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:

> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some 
> point. until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock 
> combo.
>
> Michael 
> Boone, NC.
>
> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c 
>> rims?
>>
>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>
>>> I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the 
>>> original pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't 
>>> really 
>>> have that classic Rivendell look. 
>>>
>>> But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been reconfigured 
>>> over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a five-speed, 27" 
>>> drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C rims, a 
>>> six-speed 
>>> freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, Brooks B-17 
>>> saddle, 
>>> cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag, bell, etc. Since 
>>> this 
>>> photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the rear. And after 
>>> swapping 
>>> out the crankset, seat post and other heavier parts, the only original 
>>> items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem, derailleurs, and 
>>> brake calipers!
>>>
>>> Bob E
>>> Cranford, NJ[image: Raleigh Sandy Hook copy.jpg]
>>> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.


 On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:19:58 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>  ... Here's my '87 FW Evans back when it was doing double duty as 
> a errands bike and quick road bike. It's much less sexy these days 
> sporting 
> 9 speed bits, fenders, and sturdier rubber, and it's loving life as a 
> designated commuter. I had a quick stint with a Roadini but otherwise 
> I'm 
> in a similar boat: blissfully watching from a distance at all these 
> cool 
> riv builds...but I'm also still very content with what used framesets 
> have 
> left to offer.
>>
>>
>> [image: 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Michael Iauch]

thanks for that link johnny. matthew -  mine does have some pretty shoddy 
tig - seat tube connection has a hole. The BB height did seem excessively 
low when I first jumped on it, but surprisingly I haven't had too much 
issue out riding, even on some pretty rough trail. And that is pretty much 
what I ride it on - rougher mixed terrain rides. It has that magic feel. 
Would love to have a Rivendell to compare it to!

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 3:19:51 AM UTC-4 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Matthew P
>
> Here's a slightly more detailed version of the criticism of the Rock 
> Combo, seems like Bryan Bainbridge was unhappy
> that the factory that made them changed the BB drop and the tubing spec 
> (the comment at the bottom of the page is from BB himself):
>
>
> http://2wheelfetish.blogspot.com/2012/04/drop-bar-mountain-bike-redux-vintage.html
>
> I still love the Rock Combo concept and design though. 
>
> Johnny in Belgium
>
>
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 18:43:18 UTC+2 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> I love this thread.
>> And I like Liam's RockCombo on the Radavist 
>> https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
>> But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the bike 
>> designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically trashed it!
>> Thoughts?
>> Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
>> Thanks.
>> -Matthew
>>
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a 
>>> Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 
>>>
>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>>>
 Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some point. 
 until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock combo.

 Michael 
 Boone, NC.

 [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
 On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:

> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c 
> rims?
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>
>> I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the original 
>> pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't really have 
>> that 
>> classic Rivendell look. 
>>
>> But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been reconfigured 
>> over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a five-speed, 27" 
>> drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C rims, a 
>> six-speed 
>> freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, Brooks B-17 saddle, 
>> cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag, bell, etc. Since 
>> this 
>> photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the rear. And after swapping 
>> out the crankset, seat post and other heavier parts, the only original 
>> items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem, derailleurs, and 
>> brake calipers!
>>
>> Bob E
>> Cranford, NJ[image: Raleigh Sandy Hook copy.jpg]
>> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:19:58 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

  ... Here's my '87 FW Evans back when it was doing double duty as a 
 errands bike and quick road bike. It's much less sexy these days 
 sporting 9 
 speed bits, fenders, and sturdier rubber, and it's loving life as a 
 designated commuter. I had a quick stint with a Roadini but otherwise 
 I'm 
 in a similar boat: blissfully watching from a distance at all these 
 cool 
 riv builds...but I'm also still very content with what used framesets 
 have 
 left to offer.
>
>
> [image: 2021-01-23.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Den John]

 @Matthew P

Here's a slightly more detailed version of the criticism of the Rock Combo, 
seems like Bryan Bainbridge was unhappy
that the factory that made them changed the BB drop and the tubing spec 
(the comment at the bottom of the page is from BB himself):

http://2wheelfetish.blogspot.com/2012/04/drop-bar-mountain-bike-redux-vintage.html

I still love the Rock Combo concept and design though. 

Johnny in Belgium



On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 18:43:18 UTC+2 Matthew P wrote:

> I love this thread.
> And I like Liam's RockCombo on the Radavist 
> https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
> But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the bike 
> designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically trashed it!
> Thoughts?
> Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
> Thanks.
> -Matthew
>
> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a 
>> Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 
>>
>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>>
>>> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some point. 
>>> until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock combo.
>>>
>>> Michael 
>>> Boone, NC.
>>>
>>> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>>> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>>> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
>>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
 What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c 
 rims?

 On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:

> I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the original 
> pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't really have 
> that 
> classic Rivendell look. 
>
> But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been reconfigured 
> over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a five-speed, 27" 
> drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C rims, a six-speed 
> freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, Brooks B-17 saddle, 
> cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag, bell, etc. Since this 
> photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the rear. And after swapping 
> out the crankset, seat post and other heavier parts, the only original 
> items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem, derailleurs, and 
> brake calipers!
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ[image: Raleigh Sandy Hook copy.jpg]
> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:19:58 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>  ... Here's my '87 FW Evans back when it was doing double duty as a 
>>> errands bike and quick road bike. It's much less sexy these days 
>>> sporting 9 
>>> speed bits, fenders, and sturdier rubber, and it's loving life as a 
>>> designated commuter. I had a quick stint with a Roadini but otherwise 
>>> I'm 
>>> in a similar boat: blissfully watching from a distance at all these 
>>> cool 
>>> riv builds...but I'm also still very content with what used framesets 
>>> have 
>>> left to offer.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Jim,

The original Raleigh-branded Weinmann calipers had (just) enough reach -- 
at the very bottom of the slot in the brake arm, the brake shoes just made 
it to the 700C rim's braking surface. It's roughly a 65-mm distance from 
the brake fixing screw to where the shoes connect to the arm.

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

I love this thread.
And I like Liam's RockCombo on the 
Radavist 
https://theradavist.com/2021/02/liams-specialized-rock-combo-bikepacking-rig/
But I thought it interesting and funny that they went and asked the bike 
designer (or one of them), Bryant Bainbridge, and he basically trashed it!
Thoughts?
Any other particularly coveted bikes of yore, and why?
Thanks.
-Matthew

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a 
> Rock Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 
>
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:
>
>> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some point. 
>> until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock combo.
>>
>> Michael 
>> Boone, NC.
>>
>> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
>> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c rims?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>>
 I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the original 
 pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't really have 
 that 
 classic Rivendell look. 

 But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been reconfigured 
 over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a five-speed, 27" 
 drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C rims, a six-speed 
 freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, Brooks B-17 saddle, 
 cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag, bell, etc. Since this 
 photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the rear. And after swapping 
 out the crankset, seat post and other heavier parts, the only original 
 items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem, derailleurs, and 
 brake calipers!

 Bob E
 Cranford, NJ[image: Raleigh Sandy Hook copy.jpg]
 On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.
>
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:19:58 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>  ... Here's my '87 FW Evans back when it was doing double duty as a 
>> errands bike and quick road bike. It's much less sexy these days 
>> sporting 9 
>> speed bits, fenders, and sturdier rubber, and it's loving life as a 
>> designated commuter. I had a quick stint with a Roadini but otherwise 
>> I'm 
>> in a similar boat: blissfully watching from a distance at all these cool 
>> riv builds...but I'm also still very content with what used framesets 
>> have 
>> left to offer.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: 2021-01-23.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Jason Fuller]

Meanwhile this group is full of folks with Rivendells who lust after a Rock 
Combo    beauty collection, that 615 is amazing too 

On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:34:17 UTC-7 Michael Iauch wrote:

> Im in the same category Clayton! hope to get a rivendell at some point. 
> until then - saracen conquest 650b, miyata 615, specialized rock combo.
>
> Michael 
> Boone, NC.
>
> [image: 804F00C5-FD25-4907-BD37-23C5CD513C4B_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
> 6C3B2396-11F8-4B6F-99BD-1F399F91C96D_1_105_c.jpeg][image: 
> 3E13D09B-31DC-4501-BC22-F41A43CE54D0_1_105_c.jpeg]
> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 11:21:07 AM UTC-4 Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> What brakes did you use on your Raleigh to convert from 27" to 700c rims?
>>
>> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 09:29 Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
>>
>>> I do own a Riv (a 52 Clem H, purchased as a frame during the original 
>>> pre-sale), but it's been built up as an MTB, so it doesn't really have that 
>>> classic Rivendell look. 
>>>
>>> But I also have a 1981 Raleigh Super Record that's been reconfigured 
>>> over the years to look Riv-ish. It started out as a five-speed, 27" 
>>> drop-bar bike with stem shifters, but now it's got 700C rims, a six-speed 
>>> freewheel, Albatross bars, Suntour Bar-Con shifters, Brooks B-17 saddle, 
>>> cork grips, VO fenders, Carradice Barley saddlebag, bell, etc. Since this 
>>> photo was taken I've added a Mark's Rack in the rear. And after swapping 
>>> out the crankset, seat post and other heavier parts, the only original 
>>> items left (aside from the frame) are the hubs, stem, derailleurs, and 
>>> brake calipers!
>>>
>>> Bob E
>>> Cranford, NJ[image: Raleigh Sandy Hook copy.jpg]
>>> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 5:10:33 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.


 On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:19:58 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>  ... Here's my '87 FW Evans back when it was doing double duty as a 
> errands bike and quick road bike. It's much less sexy these days sporting 
> 9 
> speed bits, fenders, and sturdier rubber, and it's loving life as a 
> designated commuter. I had a quick stint with a Roadini but otherwise I'm 
> in a similar boat: blissfully watching from a distance at all these cool 
> riv builds...but I'm also still very content with what used framesets 
> have 
> left to offer.
>>
>>
>> [image: 2021-01-23.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Patrick Moore]

That is pretty! And an extra gold star for the light mount.


On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:19:58 PM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>  ... Here's my '87 FW Evans back when it was doing double duty as a
> errands bike and quick road bike. It's much less sexy these days sporting 9
> speed bits, fenders, and sturdier rubber, and it's loving life as a
> designated commuter. I had a quick stint with a Roadini but otherwise I'm
> in a similar boat: blissfully watching from a distance at all these cool
> riv builds...but I'm also still very content with what used framesets have
> left to offer.
>>
>>
>> [image: 2021-01-23.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Currently have the fat-tire Matthews here in Ft Worth for a week.
Crank on this one is a 175 mm Ritchey Logic 110/74, and that on the hub
geared bike is an old 170 mm TA Pro 5 Vis.

The light mount is really a rack support, except that the builder messed up
the lowriders; hope eventually to have them fixed.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:03 PM Matthew P 
wrote:

> And those are awesome too Patrick!
> I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Sorry Shawn! :)
>>
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are
>>> Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Talking of calipers...with these types of conversions the measuring kind 
are your BFF. You don't need to spend a lot of money but being able to 
accurately measure spacings and widths makes all this a lot easier and math 
is cheaper than buying parts that don't fit. Digitals are best as you can 
switch between metric & old school with the press of a button. The set I 
use are these, all of $24 worth, probably not as accurate as they could be 
but we're building bikes here not centrifuges -

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GSLKIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 7:28:56 PM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> Thanks! Amazing how the early 80's (just pre-dayglo) grays are all the 
> rage again eh? That Univega looks lovely and I think you'll be fine with a 
> 650b around 28-32mm, remember you'll need the Tektro R559 calipers to reach 
> the rims though. You'll love the ride I guarantee it!
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:03:28 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> And those are awesome too Patrick!
>> I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Shawn! :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are 
 Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks! Amazing how the early 80's (just pre-dayglo) grays are all the rage 
again eh? That Univega looks lovely and I think you'll be fine with a 650b 
around 28-32mm, remember you'll need the Tektro R559 calipers to reach the 
rims though. You'll love the ride I guarantee it!

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:03:28 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:

> And those are awesome too Patrick!
> I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Sorry Shawn! :)
>>
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are 
>>> Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

And those are awesome too Patrick!
I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:

> Sorry Shawn! :)
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are 
>> Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

Sorry Shawn! :)

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Matthew P]

Clayton,

Kudos on the bike and post. I followed this thread but didn't participate 
for years because I didn't own a Rivendell.
I think it was a combination of reading the rules multiple times and then 
seeing how welcoming everyone was that I finally believed that I didn't 
have to own a Rivendell to participate.
That and the fact that I started buying stuff from the forum but knew, from 
the rules, that this should not be a marketplace; that is not the focus; 
its a community (I hope I didn't screw that up).
Part of me wishes I had just bought a Rivendell much earlier. My parents 
ingrained a strong...thriftiness (but not necessarily in all my siblings! 
:-p). Humble salary, humble bike, makes sense to me. So part of me also 
thinks I should just ride '80's-'90's steel/rigid StumpJumpers and the 
like. Still in line with the Rivendell ethos! (I'll reference a Rivendell 
Reader on that). In that sense, your pseudo Rivendell bike is not a 
Rivendell (bike) but is Rivendell (in aproach). 

I'm building up an Atlantis...kind of. Been lagging / work. I'll see if I 
still want to ride my ~'84 StumpJumper once the Atlantis is complete!

Check out the iBoB forum: https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob too. 
Lots of overlap but also great.

Nice bike.
-Matthew
San Diego, on Kumeyaay land, where yesterday we called attention to missing 
and murdered indigenous women (MMIW)


On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 8:45:57 AM UTC-7 Clayton Stahnke wrote:

> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months now 
> and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't have any 
> Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>
> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I figured I 
> would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in question is a 
> 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a Rivendell ;)
>
> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a new 
> project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in with 
> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival since 
> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>
> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b wheelset 
> (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty into a 
> "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product and boy 
> howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this bike. I 
> usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but this 
> Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days riding 
> around campus again.  
>
> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
> inspired builds!
>
> -Clayton
>
> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>
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