Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Planing - proof?

[Mackenzy Albright]

Initially the paint was Sanded before the sale was made to ensure there was 
no damage to the tubing. I have since additionally picked off a few more 
loose chunks and sanded a bit more to prevent moisture buildup and rust. 
I'll probably finger nail polish it at some point to protect. I honestly 
think the actual cause of the cracks in the paint is just from contaminants 
or poor quality. Mybe not flex. :P

As for the shifter, I was working on installing my rear derailer chain and 
cassette...with the reverse rapid rise the derailer was in the way for 
chain sizing and I didn't have a tandem cable. I had an old Simplex/huret 
thumb shifter that happened to fit on the downtube support. And with a 
little drillout was able to use a problem solvers noodle pulley that lined 
up the cabling perfectly to the bottom bracket. I gave it a short ride and 
decided to keep it for now as it's actually fairly accessible and easy to 
use. More out of the way for mountain biking which is what this bike is 
being built for. See how it holds up! I guess that spot is the same 
diameter as a bar. So could maybe do that with another higher quality 
hinged thumby. 

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:01:49 AM UTC-7 Scott wrote:

> Unless an 800lb gorilla was previous owner, that's concerning, for sure. 
> If it's a result of tube bending, I would think evidence may exist 
> elsewhere; as tube bending likely would also occur at junction of DT/BB 
> shell, DT, and/or junction of DT/HT.
> I'm curious as to source of paint being ground off, too. Some relation to 
> cracks?!
>
> Do tell:)
>
> Scott
>
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>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:34 AM, Brian Turner
>  wrote:
>
> Wow. That is interesting. Maybe a bit concerning?? So, did you grind the 
> paint off in those sections just to see the extent of it, or are you 
> planning to try to repair the paint job?
>
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 5:38:03 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
> That's what you get for catching big air too many times!  Perhaps the real 
> flaw of step-through designs is that the generous standover height (read: 
> low-consequence crotch clearance) encouages aggressive rididing or 
> attempting of tricks.  In seriousness, it's oo bad you don't/can't  know 
> the real history because anything else we offer would be speculation.  
> Still... knowing myself, that WAS something I intuitively worried about 
> when i opted for the high-bar (clem) version.  I didn't/don't have the same 
> concern with the gus/susie hillibikes.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:54:08 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> Dramatic for sure!
>
> Mike SLO CA
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:15:37 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
> [image: PXL_20220825_220133171_2.jpg]
>
> I recently acquired this orange Clementine. We all know early generations 
> paint are negotiable. However, I find the crack patterns quite interesting. 
> Obviously, given the cracking location and direction leads me to believe 
> that this puppy planes! Move over kasai tubing. 
>
> *note. hint of satire here. but also am curious about the flex quality of 
> step through frames. I've found them to feel as spritely as anything. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Planing - proof?

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Unless an 800lb gorilla was previous owner, that's concerning, for sure. If 
it's a result of tube bending, I would think evidence may exist elsewhere; as 
tube bending likely would also occur at junction of DT/BB shell, DT, and/or 
junction of DT/HT.I'm curious as to source of paint being ground off, too. Some 
relation to cracks?!
Do tell:)
Scott

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  On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 9:34 AM, Brian Turner wrote:   
Wow. That is interesting. Maybe a bit concerning?? So, did you grind the paint 
off in those sections just to see the extent of it, or are you planning to try 
to repair the paint job?

On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 5:38:03 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

That's what you get for catching big air too many times!  Perhaps the real flaw 
of step-through designs is that the generous standover height (read: 
low-consequence crotch clearance) encouages aggressive rididing or attempting 
of tricks.  In seriousness, it's oo bad you don't/can't  know the real history 
because anything else we offer would be speculation.  Still... knowing myself, 
that WAS something I intuitively worried about when i opted for the high-bar 
(clem) version.  I didn't/don't have the same concern with the gus/susie 
hillibikes.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:54:08 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

Dramatic for sure!
Mike SLO CA
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:15:37 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:



I recently acquired this orange Clementine. We all know early generations paint 
are negotiable. However, I find the crack patterns quite interesting. 
Obviously, given the cracking location and direction leads me to believe that 
this puppy planes! Move over kasai tubing. 
*note. hint of satire here. but also am curious about the flex quality of step 
through frames. I've found them to feel as spritely as anything. 




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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Planing - proof?

[Wesley]

As far as I know, that shift lever is unique - what is the story there?
-W

On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I actually know the original owner of the frame. It's been set up in a few 
> iterations. Notably with a nitto campee rack, large basket, and child 
> carrier. I'm assuming it has hauled a fair amount of weight in it's day. I 
> am rebuilding the frame as a light trail / fire road mountain bike. The 
> cracks were noticed while the initial negotiations of the purchase of the 
> frame. We sanded them down to make sure there was no issues with the tubing 
> itself. I am confident there is no structural issues with the frame. (not 
> that I can do ultrasounds, but assume cracking would appear on the outside 
> as opposed to internally) 
>
> The paint itself is way too thick and chipping out quite bad in a lot of 
> spots. It kind of has a consistency of M's. I am guessing any amount of 
> flex of vibration would have and will cracked the paint. I have a Marino 
> MTB with a similar issue with its powder-coating. It just gets small cracks 
> anywhere there is any flex. 
>
> I really love the clementine orange despite it's lacklustre quality, so 
> may do the "fingernail polish" method of just spot covering up the chips. 
> Lean in to the "beausauge" 
>
> The only broken mixte i've seen sofar is the overloaded susie. I'd wager 
> this frame will continue to last and not too concerned about issues with 
> breaking even with light mountain biking. If it does break at any point, 
> I'd be happy to do a full report of the conditions that lead to it! and 
> probably get a frame builder to fix it and add in a top tube for the heck 
> of it. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:34:01 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wow. That is interesting. Maybe a bit concerning?? So, did you grind the 
>> paint off in those sections just to see the extent of it, or are you 
>> planning to try to repair the paint job?
>>
>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 5:38:03 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> That's what you get for catching big air too many times!  Perhaps the 
>>> real flaw of step-through designs is that the generous standover height 
>>> (read: low-consequence crotch clearance) encouages aggressive rididing or 
>>> attempting of tricks.  In seriousness, it's oo bad you don't/can't  know 
>>> the real history because anything else we offer would be speculation.  
>>> Still... knowing myself, that WAS something I intuitively worried about 
>>> when i opted for the high-bar (clem) version.  I didn't/don't have the same 
>>> concern with the gus/susie hillibikes.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:54:08 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 Dramatic for sure!

 Mike SLO CA
 On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:15:37 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright 
 wrote:

> [image: PXL_20220825_220133171_2.jpg]
>
> I recently acquired this orange Clementine. We all know early 
> generations paint are negotiable. However, I find the crack patterns 
> quite 
> interesting. Obviously, given the cracking location and direction leads 
> me 
> to believe that this puppy planes! Move over kasai tubing. 
>
> *note. hint of satire here. but also am curious about the flex quality 
> of step through frames. I've found them to feel as spritely as anything. 
>


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Planing - proof?

[Mackenzy Albright]

I actually know the original owner of the frame. It's been set up in a few 
iterations. Notably with a nitto campee rack, large basket, and child 
carrier. I'm assuming it has hauled a fair amount of weight in it's day. I 
am rebuilding the frame as a light trail / fire road mountain bike. The 
cracks were noticed while the initial negotiations of the purchase of the 
frame. We sanded them down to make sure there was no issues with the tubing 
itself. I am confident there is no structural issues with the frame. (not 
that I can do ultrasounds, but assume cracking would appear on the outside 
as opposed to internally) 

The paint itself is way too thick and chipping out quite bad in a lot of 
spots. It kind of has a consistency of M's. I am guessing any amount of 
flex of vibration would have and will cracked the paint. I have a Marino 
MTB with a similar issue with its powder-coating. It just gets small cracks 
anywhere there is any flex. 

I really love the clementine orange despite it's lacklustre quality, so may 
do the "fingernail polish" method of just spot covering up the chips. Lean 
in to the "beausauge" 

The only broken mixte i've seen sofar is the overloaded susie. I'd wager 
this frame will continue to last and not too concerned about issues with 
breaking even with light mountain biking. If it does break at any point, 
I'd be happy to do a full report of the conditions that lead to it! and 
probably get a frame builder to fix it and add in a top tube for the heck 
of it. 



On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 8:34:01 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow. That is interesting. Maybe a bit concerning?? So, did you grind the 
> paint off in those sections just to see the extent of it, or are you 
> planning to try to repair the paint job?
>
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 5:38:03 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> That's what you get for catching big air too many times!  Perhaps the 
>> real flaw of step-through designs is that the generous standover height 
>> (read: low-consequence crotch clearance) encouages aggressive rididing or 
>> attempting of tricks.  In seriousness, it's oo bad you don't/can't  know 
>> the real history because anything else we offer would be speculation.  
>> Still... knowing myself, that WAS something I intuitively worried about 
>> when i opted for the high-bar (clem) version.  I didn't/don't have the same 
>> concern with the gus/susie hillibikes.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:54:08 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Dramatic for sure!
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:15:37 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
 [image: PXL_20220825_220133171_2.jpg]

 I recently acquired this orange Clementine. We all know early 
 generations paint are negotiable. However, I find the crack patterns quite 
 interesting. Obviously, given the cracking location and direction leads me 
 to believe that this puppy planes! Move over kasai tubing. 

 *note. hint of satire here. but also am curious about the flex quality 
 of step through frames. I've found them to feel as spritely as anything. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Planing - proof?

[Brian Turner]

Wow. That is interesting. Maybe a bit concerning?? So, did you grind the 
paint off in those sections just to see the extent of it, or are you 
planning to try to repair the paint job?

On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 5:38:03 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> That's what you get for catching big air too many times!  Perhaps the real 
> flaw of step-through designs is that the generous standover height (read: 
> low-consequence crotch clearance) encouages aggressive rididing or 
> attempting of tricks.  In seriousness, it's oo bad you don't/can't  know 
> the real history because anything else we offer would be speculation.  
> Still... knowing myself, that WAS something I intuitively worried about 
> when i opted for the high-bar (clem) version.  I didn't/don't have the same 
> concern with the gus/susie hillibikes.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:54:08 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Dramatic for sure!
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:15:37 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> [image: PXL_20220825_220133171_2.jpg]
>>>
>>> I recently acquired this orange Clementine. We all know early 
>>> generations paint are negotiable. However, I find the crack patterns quite 
>>> interesting. Obviously, given the cracking location and direction leads me 
>>> to believe that this puppy planes! Move over kasai tubing. 
>>>
>>> *note. hint of satire here. but also am curious about the flex quality 
>>> of step through frames. I've found them to feel as spritely as anything. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Planing - proof?

[iamkeith]

That's what you get for catching big air too many times!  Perhaps the real 
flaw of step-through designs is that the generous standover height (read: 
low-consequence crotch clearance) encouages aggressive rididing or 
attempting of tricks.  In seriousness, it's oo bad you don't/can't  know 
the real history because anything else we offer would be speculation.  
Still... knowing myself, that WAS something I intuitively worried about 
when i opted for the high-bar (clem) version.  I didn't/don't have the same 
concern with the gus/susie hillibikes.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:54:08 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Dramatic for sure!
>
> Mike SLO CA
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:15:37 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> [image: PXL_20220825_220133171_2.jpg]
>>
>> I recently acquired this orange Clementine. We all know early generations 
>> paint are negotiable. However, I find the crack patterns quite interesting. 
>> Obviously, given the cracking location and direction leads me to believe 
>> that this puppy planes! Move over kasai tubing. 
>>
>> *note. hint of satire here. but also am curious about the flex quality of 
>> step through frames. I've found them to feel as spritely as anything. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Planing - proof?

[Mike Godwin]

Dramatic for sure!

Mike SLO CA
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:15:37 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> [image: PXL_20220825_220133171_2.jpg]
>
> I recently acquired this orange Clementine. We all know early generations 
> paint are negotiable. However, I find the crack patterns quite interesting. 
> Obviously, given the cracking location and direction leads me to believe 
> that this puppy planes! Move over kasai tubing. 
>
> *note. hint of satire here. but also am curious about the flex quality of 
> step through frames. I've found them to feel as spritely as anything. 
>

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