[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Ann and John, I appreciate your gracious comments to me and please know that 
none of my remarks were directed to either one of you in any way.  This forum 
and its members sure are a gem!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris:

I found the original thread humorous because it was over the top and not 
what I perceived RBW or GP.  If it isn't clear from my earlier post, Grant: 
I apologize for my earlier post of the 2015 thread.  I did not mean any 
disrespect.  I will not be involved with this again.

Ann

On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 4:16:13 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I don’t find anything at all humorous about those posts. Plus that’s a 
> total cop out to try to pass it off as appealing by pretending some other 
> person is “narrating” the comments.  Is it really that hard to be nice to 
> others?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[John Phillips]

Chris, 

 I apologize for offending you. I don't actually read those other forum 
threads criticizing Grant or Rivendell, because I find them pointless, 
uninformed and idiotic. I do enjoy someone satirizing these critics.

But I do sincerely apologize for offending you, and I apologize to everyone 
else I offended with my remark.

John

On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I don’t find anything at all humorous about those posts. Plus that’s a 
> total cop out to try to pass it off as appealing by pretending some other 
> person is “narrating” the comments.  Is it really that hard to be nice to 
> others?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I don’t find anything at all humorous about those posts. Plus that’s a total 
cop out to try to pass it off as appealing by pretending some other person is 
“narrating” the comments.  Is it really that hard to be nice to others?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[John Phillips]

If the humorous stuff is best read in the "voice" of the "Most 
Interesting Man in the World" ads, perhaps the criticisms of Rivendell & 
Grant in these other forums would be best read in the voice of a clueless 
Roseanne Rosanadana.   :)

John

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I love my bikes but haven't drunk any cool aide yet ;)

The other frequent criticism is that RBW are overpriced.  I have found mine 
to be extremely good value for how often I use them.  I suspect the haters 
spend as much, if not more, on bikes and accessories than I do.  Also, a 
point that inevitably comes up during these forum wars is that RBW bikes 
tend to hold their value better than others.  Not that I will sell anytime 
soon, particularly since the San Marcos has been discontinued and they no 
longer make the Appaloosa in my size.

They are stable, beautiful bikes that are great fun to ride.  That is all I 
wanted.


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Joe Bernard]

What drives me crazy about these kinds of threads on cycling forums is when 
people call Riv Riders a cult. If you like a certain type of bike, riding and 
riding gear, you're going to gravitate to a company and group of riders who 
like the same stuff. 

And consider this: The people calling it a cult are wearing identical spandex 
on identical carbon bikes ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Grant:

I'm not sure how I would feel if people wrote about me like that.  I found 
the posts ridiculously over the top in proportion your niche in the bike 
world and advocacy for steel bikes.  The first thread I found seemed to 
have an undercurrent of affection with some of the posts, the later one, 
not so much.  I didn't participate in the threads and now that I know your 
feelings on the matter, I won't in the future.  You did talk to me once a 
few months ago when I called with questions about a frame (which I ended up 
getting).  You were super nice to me and I found you to be the opposite of 
pretentious.  In fact, part of our conversation involved you trying really 
hard to get me to quit calling you "sir" as I tried explaining I was 
military and it pretty strongly ingrained.  

RBW did give me the two best bikes I've ever had and has me out riding 
every day.

Ann

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Garth]

All I can write about this is that the only thing true is Truth Itself, and 
Truth is All .  

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Joe Bernard]

I couldn't do it, Grant. Being a well-known figure in some circle or industry 
where people get on the internet and hash out their thoughts about me? People 
who type up elaborate jokes and then I'm supposed to be ok 'cause "it's just a 
joke" ?? NOPE. I'd be Howard Hughes locked in my room within 6 months. 

Joe Bernard
Vallejo CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Grant @ Rivendell]

This is the drag of being me and I hate it. I get to fear that my hating it 
will reinforce the poster or give a loger life to it, start a discussion. I 
know some have it worse and tere are bigger problems in the world, but the 
idea that I can or should just slugh it off doesn't reconcile with who I 
am, so..arghh.

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 5:16:29 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Andy
>
> +1, but there are some folks there who do the 'trash" talk,  and I just do 
> not need to hear 'bad apples".
> ar that my hating it will reinforce te o
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 1:46:56 AM UTC-4, Andy Beichler wrote:
>
>> I frequent both places.  I like what I learn there and here.  
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[John Hawrylak]

Andy

+1, but there are some folks there who do the 'trash" talk,  and I just do 
not need to hear 'bad apples".

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 1:46:56 AM UTC-4, Andy Beichler wrote:

> I frequent both places.  I like what I learn there and here.  
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This is an earlier thread, but in my opinion, much funnier.  Particularly 
(as suggested) you imagine it being narrated by the Dos Equis beer 
announcer.


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Andy Beichler]

I frequent both places.  I like what I learn there and here.  

>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think this is the thread that started it.  
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/70-i-just-want-say-grant-petersen.html
   
It seems much funnier and less snarky in comparison, especially if (as 
suggested) you imagine it narrated by the Dos Equis beer announcer.  
 

>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[John Hawrylak]

I used to participate in that forum and there are few people who do this 
from time to time..  It maybe humorous, but I think they really don't like 
Grant.

Got sick of it and left.  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Joe Bernard]

To each their own, but that "humor" is WAY too graphic and weird for me. But I 
don't read that section anyway, I'm usually on the Folding Bikes forum debating 
which year we all admit the Helix titanium folder will never happen and that 
fool skips off with everybody's money.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Tim Gavin]

As Bill Lindsay already hinted, most of these are quotes from the Bill
Brasky sketches from Saturday Night Live in the 90s.  They're similar to
"Chuck Norris Facts"; absurdist humor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Brasky

And Brian Campbell explained the Grant Petersen mockery as a way to diffuse
the Riv hate in some forums.
It's a pretty good application of the Bill Brasky absurdity.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 4:56 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> Who are these people who talk so bizarrely?
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Bob B]

I was kinda put off by this whole thing and then I read “It was the sight 
of Petersen’s naked body that drove Brian Wilson insane.” and laughed out 
loud pretty hard and realized this is all actually pretty funny

Bob
Brooklyn, NY


On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 7:24:25 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> The genesis of these type of ridiculous Grant Petersen threads on that 
> site derives from  the often mutti-page arguments about Rivendell vs. Older 
> road bikes. They often revolved around folks who owned Rivendells (of wich 
> there were not that many on that site) vs. people who thought Rivendell was 
> "ripping off" older road bike attributes and charging a premium for pre 
> existing technology. 
>
> The consensus was often arrived at that Rivendell owners were a part of a 
> "cult" who slavish followed everything Grant said as gospel.  This style of 
> goofiness was arrived at as a way to diffuse pointless arguments with 
> pointless posts. It is still alive and well.
>
> I 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Brian Campbell]

The genesis of these type of ridiculous Grant Petersen threads on that site 
derives from  the often mutti-page arguments about Rivendell vs. Older road 
bikes. They often revolved around folks who owned Rivendells (of wich there 
were not that many on that site) vs. people who thought Rivendell was 
"ripping off" older road bike attributes and charging a premium for pre 
existing technology. 

The consensus was often arrived at that Rivendell owners were a part of a 
"cult" who slavish followed everything Grant said as gospel.  This style of 
goofiness was arrived at as a way to diffuse pointless arguments with 
pointless posts. It is still alive and well.

I 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Joe Bernard]

The bad people. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Austin ^]

Based on the cultural references, people who have gotten ahold of a device 
that lets them broadcast to today's internet from 1981.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[lum gim fong]

Who are these people who talk so bizarrely? 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Steve Palincsar]

"Rocket Sauce" just posted a follow-up:

   “Grant Petersen is the father of every kid in this town!”
   “Grant Petersen once showed me a video of him making love to my
   wife, and it was the most beautiful thing I ever saw!”
   “He’d eat a homeless person if you dared him!”
   “His poop is used as currency in Argentina.”
   “He sweats Gatorade”
   “He once breast-fed a flamingo back to health.”
   “He hated Mexicans! And he was half Mexican! …….And he hated irony!”
   “He sheds his skin once a year.”
   “He makes brooms somewhere in Georgia.”
   “He once inhaled a seagull.”
   “The Pope told him it was ok to have a mistress.”
   “It was the sight of Petersen’s naked body that drove Brian Wilson
   insane.”
   “He once had sex with a cigarette machine.”
   “He killed Wolfman Jack with a trident.”
   “He uses the Shroud of Turin as a golf towel.”
   “He once ate the Bible while water skiing.”
   “He drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.”
   “He sired a baseball team.. an orchestra if you count the bastards!”
   “You know, he would shoot whiskey into his neck with a syringe!”
   “He has dandruff the size of mice!”
   “He jogged with a fridge on his back!”
   “He’s a ten foot tall beastman who showers in vodka and feeds his
   baby shrimp scampi.”
   “He orchestrated the merger between Unicef and Smith & Wessen.”
   “He went public with his own buttocks and made $7 million.”
   “Did I ever tell you about the time Petersen went hunting? Petersen
   decides he’s going to hunt down all four of the Banana Splits. He
   stalks and kills every one of them with a machette. They all begged
   for their lives…except Fleagle.”
   “We once had a bachelor party for Petersen. He ate the entire cake
   before we could tell him there was a stripper in it.”

   --https://www.bikeforums.net/19967986-post26.html


On 11/01/2017 06:22 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:


There's a thread going on the C&V Forum right now about Rivendell.  It 
started as a PSA 
 
about a sale Riv is running right now on tires.  That's pretty cool, 
and you should definitely check it out.


But then "The Golden Boy" posted this:

Did you say Grant Petersen?

Grant Petersen taught me how to love a woman — and how to scold a
child.

Grant Petersen’s colonoscopy tape got higher ratings than ‘How I
Met Your Mother.'

Did I ever tell you about the time I went horseback riding with
Grant Petersen, but there weren’t any horses around? Well, Grant
throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three
days. Well, wouldn’t you know it, my stamina increases with each
day and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Grant decides
to enter me in the Breeders’ Cup, right, under the name Turkish
Delight. And I’m running in second place, and I’m running and I
break my ankle! They’re about to shoot me. Then someone from the
crowd yells out, God bless him, ‘Don’t shoot him, he’s a human.

Did I ever tell you about the time Grant Petersen took me out to
go get a drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can’t
find one. Finally, Grant takes me into a vacant lot and says,
‘Here we are.’ Well, we sat there for a year and a half. Sure
enough, someone constructed a bar around us. Well, the day they
opened it, we ordered a shot, drank it, and then burnt the place
to the ground. Grant yelled over the roar of the flames, ‘Always
leave things the way you found them!'

Grant Petersen wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.

I went camping with Grant Peterson … I’m in the back of a pickup
with Grant Petersen and a live deer. Well, Grant, he grabs the
deer by the antlers, looks at it and says, ‘I’m Grant Petersen!
Say it!’ Then he squeezes the deer in such a way that a sound
comes out of its mouth — “Grantpetersen!” It wasn’t exactly it,
but it was pretty good for a deer.”

I once saw Grant scissor-kick Angela Lansbury.

Did I ever tell you about the time Grant Petersen showed up at my
daughter’s wedding? You know my daughter, she’s a beautiful girl.
Well, Grant shows up and you know he’s a big fella. Well, he’s
standing right between me and my daughter at the ceremony. He’s
got no right to be there, but he’s drunk and he’s Grant. Well,
long story short, the priest accidentally marries me and Grant. We
spend the weekend in the Poconos — he loved me like I’ve never
been loved before.

Grant once punched a hole in a cow just so he could see who was
coming up the road.

Did I ever tell you about the time Grant was in a production of
‘The King and I’? On opening night, Grant chloroformed the entire
cast and slowly eats them in front of the audience for two hours.
The production got pretty good reviews.

I remember one time Grant took his family to Sea World. They were
watching Shamu the whal

[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Joe Bernard]

Classic & Vintage, a category at bikeforums.net. The link in the original post 
will take you to it. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell on the C&V Forum

[Jack K]

What is "C&V"?

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:22:23 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> There's a thread going on the C&V Forum right now about Rivendell.  It 
> started as a PSA 
> 
>  
> about a sale Riv is running right now on tires.  That's pretty cool, and 
> you should definitely check it out.
>
> But then "The Golden Boy" posted this:
>
> Did you say Grant Petersen?
>
> Grant Petersen taught me how to love a woman — and how to scold a child.
>
> Grant Petersen’s colonoscopy tape got higher ratings than ‘How I Met Your 
> Mother.'
>
> Did I ever tell you about the time I went horseback riding with Grant 
> Petersen, but there weren’t any horses around? Well, Grant throws a saddle 
> on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn’t you 
> know it, my stamina increases with each day and I develop tremendous leg 
> muscles. So anyway, Grant decides to enter me in the Breeders’ Cup, right, 
> under the name Turkish Delight. And I’m running in second place, and I’m 
> running and I break my ankle! They’re about to shoot me. Then someone from 
> the crowd yells out, God bless him, ‘Don’t shoot him, he’s a human.
>
> Did I ever tell you about the time Grant Petersen took me out to go get a 
> drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can’t find one. Finally, 
> Grant takes me into a vacant lot and says, ‘Here we are.’ Well, we sat 
> there for a year and a half. Sure enough, someone constructed a bar around 
> us. Well, the day they opened it, we ordered a shot, drank it, and then 
> burnt the place to the ground. Grant yelled over the roar of the flames, 
> ‘Always leave things the way you found them!'
>
> Grant Petersen wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
>
> I went camping with Grant Peterson … I’m in the back of a pickup with 
> Grant Petersen and a live deer. Well, Grant, he grabs the deer by the 
> antlers, looks at it and says, ‘I’m Grant Petersen! Say it!’ Then he 
> squeezes the deer in such a way that a sound comes out of its mouth — 
> “Grantpetersen!” It wasn’t exactly it, but it was pretty good for a deer.”
>
> I once saw Grant scissor-kick Angela Lansbury.
>
> Did I ever tell you about the time Grant Petersen showed up at my 
> daughter’s wedding? You know my daughter, she’s a beautiful girl. Well, 
> Grant shows up and you know he’s a big fella. Well, he’s standing right 
> between me and my daughter at the ceremony. He’s got no right to be there, 
> but he’s drunk and he’s Grant. Well, long story short, the priest 
> accidentally marries me and Grant. We spend the weekend in the Poconos — he 
> loved me like I’ve never been loved before.
>
> Grant once punched a hole in a cow just so he could see who was coming up 
> the road.
>
> Did I ever tell you about the time Grant was in a production of ‘The King 
> and I’? On opening night, Grant chloroformed the entire cast and slowly 
> eats them in front of the audience for two hours. The production got pretty 
> good reviews.
>
> I remember one time Grant took his family to Sea World. They were watching 
> Shamu the whale when Grant got splashed. So Grant yells, ‘I’m Grant 
> Petersen and no one gets me wet!’ So he climbs into the tank, grabs Shamu, 
> and throws the whale into the audience, splashes him and yells, ‘How do you 
> like it?’ And then damn if Grant didn’t step in there and finish the show.”
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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