Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

Portland is such an interesting proposition, I love it there the handful of
times I've been, it reminds me a lot of Nashville but with functional
things like public transportation and way more walkable and urban. Seattle
is easy b/c i can take my job there, Portland and Austin are both kind of a
tied for 5th place runner up as of now as I'd need to find a new job in
both and there is no family in either. Both Seattle and Portland seem to be
growing a ton. I feel like Portland will always keep a cooler smaller town
vibe, but Seattle is just being taken over by tech jobs, like a mini Bay
Area. I do like that in either its so much easier to get out of the city.
Having the east bay hills and marin/mt tam area here is pretty awesome, but
you're right that tahoe or yosemite or anything else can be a trudge. All
great cycling areas (not to get too off topic of course).

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I can only speak to living in Portland for 3 years (prior to moving to the
> bay area).  I preferred life in Portland over the Bay Area.  The northwest
> had more character in my eyes.  Overall, I loved the independent vibe of
> the place which I didn't feel quite as much of in Seattle but I know it's
> there.  The high price of Bay Area living seems to be driving some of the
> quirkiness out.  Summers in the northwest were gorgeous with all the lush
> greenery because... it got watered about 8-9 months straight!  My neighbor
> called late-May to mid Sept. the "why the hell we live here months".  I
> used to ride or walk everywhere and just dressed for it.  Northwest
> Goretex-chic.  Despite the rain, I actually enjoyed outdoor living more
> there than in the bay area.  Here it seems to be quite a drive to get away
> to real wilderness (think the trudge to Tahoe).  In Seattle and Portland,
> the wilderness was a quick drive up the gorge, west to the shore or a ferry
> ride to the Olympic Peninsula.  My favorite backpacking and cycling spots
> were in the Olympic Peninsula.  Truly a beautiful place to explore.
>
> Pros: The downtown areas are manageable sizes and full of interesting
> food, culture and independent businesses; outdoor living is outstanding (if
> you don't mind getting a little wet); anyplace is cheaper housing than the
> Bay Area.  If my wife and I hadn't bought during the bottom of the
> recession, we'd probably have to move to continue living as teachers.
> Cons: The northwest doesn't have the 9-10 months of beautiful weather the
> Bay Area enjoys; Seattle traffic was pretty bad last time I was there; I
> never saw so many people paint rooms of their homes bright yellow or orange
> to help combat the dreariness of the gray skies.
>
> ... as for earthquakes... that's a toss-up.  There was an earthquake on
> Mt. Ranier when I lived up there!
>
> John "seeking the pleasant wherever I end up" McClusky
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
>> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and
>> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of
>> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes.
>> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a
>> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based
>> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the
>> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a
>> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and
>> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find
>> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and
>> weekends are my riding time).
>>
>> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year
>> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a
>> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks
>> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and
>> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to
>> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I
>> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good
>> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and
>> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers).
>>
>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pm9RqjfbeRg/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit 

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Surlyprof]

Dave,

I can only speak to living in Portland for 3 years (prior to moving to the 
bay area).  I preferred life in Portland over the Bay Area.  The northwest 
had more character in my eyes.  Overall, I loved the independent vibe of 
the place which I didn't feel quite as much of in Seattle but I know it's 
there.  The high price of Bay Area living seems to be driving some of the 
quirkiness out.  Summers in the northwest were gorgeous with all the lush 
greenery because... it got watered about 8-9 months straight!  My neighbor 
called late-May to mid Sept. the "why the hell we live here months".  I 
used to ride or walk everywhere and just dressed for it.  Northwest 
Goretex-chic.  Despite the rain, I actually enjoyed outdoor living more 
there than in the bay area.  Here it seems to be quite a drive to get away 
to real wilderness (think the trudge to Tahoe).  In Seattle and Portland, 
the wilderness was a quick drive up the gorge, west to the shore or a ferry 
ride to the Olympic Peninsula.  My favorite backpacking and cycling spots 
were in the Olympic Peninsula.  Truly a beautiful place to explore.

Pros: The downtown areas are manageable sizes and full of interesting food, 
culture and independent businesses; outdoor living is outstanding (if you 
don't mind getting a little wet); anyplace is cheaper housing than the Bay 
Area.  If my wife and I hadn't bought during the bottom of the recession, 
we'd probably have to move to continue living as teachers.
Cons: The northwest doesn't have the 9-10 months of beautiful weather the 
Bay Area enjoys; Seattle traffic was pretty bad last time I was there; I 
never saw so many people paint rooms of their homes bright yellow or orange 
to help combat the dreariness of the gray skies.

... as for earthquakes... that's a toss-up.  There was an earthquake on Mt. 
Ranier when I lived up there!

John "seeking the pleasant wherever I end up" McClusky

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and 
> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of 
> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes. 
> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a 
> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based 
> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the 
> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a 
> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and 
> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find 
> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and 
> weekends are my riding time).
>
> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year 
> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a 
> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks 
> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and 
> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to 
> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I 
> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good 
> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and 
> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers). 
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[rob markwardt]

In reality Seattle's winter is about 2 days a yearmany years it's 
zero.  I whine about the rain and darkness but "winter" here is a piece of 
cake. My last home was Havre, MT and Minnesota before thatI'll never 
whine about winter again...and I'll never move back!


On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 6:56:11 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:

> Thanks Shawn, that is what I'm looking for. The summers are so nice and 
> tempting, I've been there several times in the summer ;). 
>
> On the DC front, I've spent a lot of time there and have a pretty good 
> idea what I'm in for. The winters there can be pretty brutal with several 
> lost weekends, months even. However it ends in like March, whereas Seattle 
> seems to last through June? 
>
> I guess the whole issue with Seattle is I'm under the impression that the 
> rainy weather lasts 9 months out of the year, whereas everywhere else it 
> seems limited to 3-4 months for winter (with some serious thunderstorms and 
> torrential downpours throughout scattered throughout the rest of the year). 
> Is that the case? 
>
> Thanks everyone for indulging me on this, this is seriously helpful as I 
> need to start my argument on where to move now with my wife, let it simmer 
> for a year or two, then make the jump! 
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Mark Williams]

During winter solstice there's less than 8 hours of light sunrise to sunset 
but if it's thick outside it's more like 6 hours of light!!!  I happen to 
love that time of the year- so cozy to sit by the fire with your best 
friend. The hard part of the year for me is February through July 15. 
 We've survived November through January darkness and you're ready for 
spring, right?  Although we can have some spectacular weather- especially 
for a week in May, but mostly it is just cold, gray and wet until July 15. 
 I've watched numerous Independence Day fireworks in a down parka with 
extra blankets around the ladies.
But July 16 through October there is no place on earth I'd rather be.  It's 
just hard to choose between salmon fishing/crabbing/shrimping, skiing the 
high country, hiking/camping and oh yeah, cycling or cycle camping, the 
music venues and the amazing restaurants.
The previous comments about density growth are true and driving a car here 
is horrible nowadays.  Within a month we're moving to a nearby island to 
escape the urban sprawl yet enjoy the beautiful Northwest.  At least it's 
sprawl and not decay.


On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 8:05:40 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   You can look up weather data and decide for yourself. While no statistic 
> can give a total account of the weather for everyone , it is what it is  .  
> You can look up any hour, day, month and year by calendar/history , and 
> you can change the weather station and see it's history.
>
>
> https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBFI/2016/3/8/MonthlyCalendar.html?req_city=Seattle_state=WA=98101=1=9#calendar
> https://www.wunderground.com/us/wa/seattle/zmw:98101.1.9
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 9:56:11 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Shawn, that is what I'm looking for. The summers are so nice and 
>> tempting, I've been there several times in the summer ;). 
>>
>> On the DC front, I've spent a lot of time there and have a pretty good 
>> idea what I'm in for. The winters there can be pretty brutal with several 
>> lost weekends, months even. However it ends in like March, whereas Seattle 
>> seems to last through June? 
>>
>> I guess the whole issue with Seattle is I'm under the impression that the 
>> rainy weather lasts 9 months out of the year, whereas everywhere else it 
>> seems limited to 3-4 months for winter (with some serious thunderstorms and 
>> torrential downpours throughout scattered throughout the rest of the year). 
>> Is that the case? 
>>
>> Thanks everyone for indulging me on this, this is seriously helpful as I 
>> need to start my argument on where to move now with my wife, let it simmer 
>> for a year or two, then make the jump! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Garth]

  You can look up weather data and decide for yourself. While no statistic 
can give a total account of the weather for everyone , it is what it is  .  
You can look up any hour, day, month and year by calendar/history , and you 
can change the weather station and see it's history.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBFI/2016/3/8/MonthlyCalendar.html?req_city=Seattle_state=WA=98101=1=9#calendar
https://www.wunderground.com/us/wa/seattle/zmw:98101.1.9



On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 9:56:11 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> Thanks Shawn, that is what I'm looking for. The summers are so nice and 
> tempting, I've been there several times in the summer ;). 
>
> On the DC front, I've spent a lot of time there and have a pretty good 
> idea what I'm in for. The winters there can be pretty brutal with several 
> lost weekends, months even. However it ends in like March, whereas Seattle 
> seems to last through June? 
>
> I guess the whole issue with Seattle is I'm under the impression that the 
> rainy weather lasts 9 months out of the year, whereas everywhere else it 
> seems limited to 3-4 months for winter (with some serious thunderstorms and 
> torrential downpours throughout scattered throughout the rest of the year). 
> Is that the case? 
>
> Thanks everyone for indulging me on this, this is seriously helpful as I 
> need to start my argument on where to move now with my wife, let it simmer 
> for a year or two, then make the jump! 
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Andy Williams]

There are many reasons you would never want to live in a place like 
Seattle.   Here are some of my reasons why 
.

And, you might get wet!

A


On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 6:56:11 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Thanks Shawn, that is what I'm looking for. The summers are so nice and 
> tempting, I've been there several times in the summer ;). 
>
> On the DC front, I've spent a lot of time there and have a pretty good 
> idea what I'm in for. The winters there can be pretty brutal with several 
> lost weekends, months even. However it ends in like March, whereas Seattle 
> seems to last through June? 
>
> I guess the whole issue with Seattle is I'm under the impression that the 
> rainy weather lasts 9 months out of the year, whereas everywhere else it 
> seems limited to 3-4 months for winter (with some serious thunderstorms and 
> torrential downpours throughout scattered throughout the rest of the year). 
> Is that the case? 
>
> Thanks everyone for indulging me on this, this is seriously helpful as I 
> need to start my argument on where to move now with my wife, let it simmer 
> for a year or two, then make the jump! 
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[davecstein]

Thanks Shawn, that is what I'm looking for. The summers are so nice and 
tempting, I've been there several times in the summer ;). 

On the DC front, I've spent a lot of time there and have a pretty good idea 
what I'm in for. The winters there can be pretty brutal with several lost 
weekends, months even. However it ends in like March, whereas Seattle seems to 
last through June? 

I guess the whole issue with Seattle is I'm under the impression that the rainy 
weather lasts 9 months out of the year, whereas everywhere else it seems 
limited to 3-4 months for winter (with some serious thunderstorms and 
torrential downpours throughout scattered throughout the rest of the year). Is 
that the case? 

Thanks everyone for indulging me on this, this is seriously helpful as I need 
to start my argument on where to move now with my wife, let it simmer for a 
year or two, then make the jump!




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[islaysteve]

Since you mention DC as a possibility, just want to say there are several list 
members who live here in the DC area, somr who commute by bike.  If you want to 
discuss it, suggest you post a new thread, there are many pros and cons.  Steve

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[shawn m.]

I'll second Ryan's take on Seattle. Seriously, if the bar is really " A 
sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to me: poor 
visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc." Then, yes, there 
will be a lot of weekends when you won't feel like riding. Rain in the 
northwest, particularly in the winter, is the constant/steady type. Not 
super heavy, just relentless. Seattle is further north than you think, and 
the winters are seriously dark. I can handle the rain ok, but the darkness 
is what really gets to me. So far, most responses have been of the "wear 
the right clothes, grin and bear it" variety, but you're pretty specific in 
where you draw the line so I'd think long and hard about it. I'm not trying 
to scare you off, just being realistic based on what you've said isn't 
worth it for you. I ride mostly year round by necessity; I don't own a car, 
to my bike is the go-to. There are MANY days in the winter when the joy of 
riding can't overcome the misery of the moment for me. Also, 40F and 90% 
humidity in steady rain is a good recipe for hypothermia, so it's something 
you need to take care to manage. That said, I love it here (sometimes in 
spite of itself) and after 30 years I still can't imagine living anywhere 
else. Summers here can be so idyllic that I forgive and forget about 
winter... until about the first week in November...



On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and 
> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of 
> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes. 
> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a 
> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based 
> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the 
> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a 
> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and 
> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find 
> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and 
> weekends are my riding time).
>
> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year 
> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a 
> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks 
> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and 
> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to 
> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I 
> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good 
> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and 
> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers). 
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

On the  question: I'll be interested in your impressions of SF. Are you
retiring, or looking for new job, or sudden interest in New Age ...?

I moved here 5 years ago and am not tied to the bay area. It's been fun,
lots of great job opportunities (I've had 3!), fantastic weather, a 15
minute jaunt to Rivendell, but no extended family this side of the
Mississippi and housing is very very expensive (prohibitively expensive,
family is growing with a second kid coming this month).

Seattle is an option because my current job is technically supposed to be
based there but I set it up so I worked in SF, so it'd be an easy to move
and I'd probably get a relo package for it. DC and Nashville are runners up
(family in both, could easily get a job in DC).

I've actually never been to the Sothwest, heard great things about Santa
Fe, will have to make it out there especially if I move back east at some
point ;)

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Aggghhh: Santa Fe averages 14"/year.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>>
>> There is a pretty consistent 5-10*F difference between Duke City and The
>> City Different, which with the slightly greater precipitation (citywide
>> average in ABQ is 9"/year, and this encompasses ~14"/yr in the foothills
>> and ~5"/year in certain underprivileged parts of Rio Rancho) means that SF
>> gets noticeably more ride-inhibiting snow than does ABQ, or at least, used
>> to -- spring temps 30 days early this year, with all the ornamental trees
>> breaking into white blossom clouds in the past week instead of at the end
>> of the month.
>>
>> I'll be interested in your impressions of SF. Are you retiring, or
>> looking for new job, or sudden interest in New Age ...?
>>
>> Patrick "but would like more snow in ABQ, to ride in" Moore
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> Sante Fe is high on my list. Planning a trip there to scout it out.
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding
 to ourselves.


>
>
> --
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
> Other professional writing services.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> **
> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pm9RqjfbeRg/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Patrick Moore]

Aggghhh: Santa Fe averages 14"/year.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> There is a pretty consistent 5-10*F difference between Duke City and The
> City Different, which with the slightly greater precipitation (citywide
> average in ABQ is 9"/year, and this encompasses ~14"/yr in the foothills
> and ~5"/year in certain underprivileged parts of Rio Rancho) means that SF
> gets noticeably more ride-inhibiting snow than does ABQ, or at least, used
> to -- spring temps 30 days early this year, with all the ornamental trees
> breaking into white blossom clouds in the past week instead of at the end
> of the month.
>
> I'll be interested in your impressions of SF. Are you retiring, or looking
> for new job, or sudden interest in New Age ...?
>
> Patrick "but would like more snow in ABQ, to ride in" Moore
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Sante Fe is high on my list. Planning a trip there to scout it out.
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding
>>> to ourselves.
>>>
>>>


-- 
Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
Other professional writing services.
http://www.resumespecialties.com/
www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
**
**
*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Patrick Moore]

There is a pretty consistent 5-10*F difference between Duke City and The
City Different, which with the slightly greater precipitation (citywide
average in ABQ is 9"/year, and this encompasses ~14"/yr in the foothills
and ~5"/year in certain underprivileged parts of Rio Rancho) means that SF
gets noticeably more ride-inhibiting snow than does ABQ, or at least, used
to -- spring temps 30 days early this year, with all the ornamental trees
breaking into white blossom clouds in the past week instead of at the end
of the month.

I'll be interested in your impressions of SF. Are you retiring, or looking
for new job, or sudden interest in New Age ...?

Patrick "but would like more snow in ABQ, to ride in" Moore

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Sante Fe is high on my list. Planning a trip there to scout it out.
>
> - Ryan
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding
>> to ourselves.
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Ryan Ray]

Sante Fe is high on my list. Planning a trip there to scout it out.

- Ryan





On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 10:52:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding to 
> ourselves.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, David Stein  > wrote:
>
>> Haha, i am legitimately worried about the endless gray skies in the pac 
>> nw. that could play into it as well, outside of bike riding. i have heard 
>> strong warnings about the freeze, it does seem very real. though i can't 
>> say the bay area is a whole lot different in that aspect at least from the 
>> 5 years I've been here (local rbw riders withstanding that rule of course!)
>>
>> austin is a viable city with tons of job opportunities for me, spent a 
>> bit of time there, but probably not going to happen, all my friends just 
>> moved away from there. 
>>
>> DC or back to Tennessee is the other option if I were to move, those 
>> winters are pretty brutal but at least i know what i'm in for. DC can have 
>> more temperate summers, 'can' being the key word. but i remember getting 
>> pretty stir crazy in the winters.
>>
>> worst case i say screw it and trade in all my bikes for a pirogue and 
>> some fishing gear and move back to my home town of new orleans.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bronson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
>>> Don't move here :D
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Ryan Ray >> > wrote:
>>>
 Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.

 - Extremely high rent/housing prices.
 - Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are 
 starting to get a little its far too late.
 - It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been 
 shown to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on 
 purpose? It's real bad.
 - Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant 
 group of people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is 
 real and people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy 
 people. I blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a 
 true friend.

 This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would 
 want to move here. Some people will chime in with their personal 
 experiences being slightly different but statistically the rain, the 
 freeze, and the housing costs are all facts. If you could look outside my 
 window right now you would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.

 Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and 
 playing video games inside all night.

 - Ryan





 On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably 
> without rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't 
> worth 
> it to me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. 
> Commuting aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, 
> months) where the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there 
> making 
> it pretty easy to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like 
> the latter (and thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It 
> doesn't rain much in the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty 
> steady with almost no brake in the action, making it harder to get out. 
> Tennessee was the same way for months on end in the winter, just really 
> poor riding conditions.
>
> The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun 
> going down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't 
>>> looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the 
>>> distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to 
>>> autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying 
>>> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I 
>>> commute 
>>> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>>>
>>
>> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the 
>> days get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until 
>> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute 
>> home.
>>
>> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, 
>> which are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any 
>> of 
>> your neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting 

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[RoadieRyan]

I have a friend and fellow Seattleite who is a pretty dedicated bicycle 
commuter, his moto is "I will ride in the rain, and I will ride in the 
dark, I will *not* ride in the rain and the dark"  which means he doesn't 
commute much from November to March.  I think Seattle, like most 
economically successful cites is a dichotomy - on the one hand Jobs are 
fairly plentiful, if you have the money there is lots of great culture 
(arts, dining, sports, outdoors) to enjoy on the other congestion, housing 
prices and the gap between haves and have not's sucks. As a native 
North-westerner and a Seattleite for the last quarter century I am biased 
lots of great places to ride, tons of scenic beauty and no better place to 
be on a lovely summer day but it can really suck when its February and it 
seems like its been raining non-stop for months...


Ryan S

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:

> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and 
> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of 
> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes. 
> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a 
> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based 
> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the 
> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a 
> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and 
> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find 
> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and 
> weekends are my riding time).
>
> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year 
> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a 
> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks 
> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and 
> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to 
> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I 
> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good 
> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and 
> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers). 
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[sameness]

It rained in LA this morning. If it can happen here, it can happen 
anywhere. Best to stay put.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 9:30:30 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
> Don't move here :D
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[rob markwardt]

I'd guess I get rained out maybe 1-2 times a year. I ride year round, 
everyday that work doesn't get in the way.  The rain is a bit of a pain at 
times but if you adjust it's doable.  Rain jacket, booties, waterproof 
gloves and fenders are a must.  Another must is patience and adaptability.  
We seldom get big dumps but when they happen you can usually avoid them by 
looking at the radar.  Yesterday was a perfect example...big rain in the 
morning but I could see a window of a couple hours in the afternoon so I 
delayed my ride until then.  If you can't avoid the rain then you ride 
through it.  Usually not a big deal but  you do get colder much easier so 
if I'm not dressed appropriately then I go for shorter rides.  I find I can 
ride in a downpour for about an hour, through the drizzle for 2-3 hours, 
long / all day rides are saved for none rainy days.  Some of the hard core 
rando dudes will ride all day in the rain but it ain't me.   



On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 11:07:48 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:

> Well a lot of factors go into moving, cycling and being outdoors is just 
> one piece of the puzzle. I guess my question, in its most simple form is: 
> is Seattle a constant rain or more intermittent? I think I have my answer, 
> which is its mostly a drizzle, with bouts of steady rain as well as breaks 
> in the clouds, which is fine, and sounds like its fairly easy to fit in a 
> weekend ride assuming I have some flexibility and am ok with at least a 
> drizzle or risk of, summers sound amazing. 
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> You already know that you don't like riding in the rain so unless you 
>> want to try to change that, and you have a choice of where to live, maybe 
>> you should try somewhere else. I was working in the Northeast for the past 
>> 3 years and I decided to do PBP. That meant I rode in lots and lots of less 
>> than ideal cycling weather. Once I made up my mind it was a matter of 
>> suiting up and riding, no matter what. I don't like indoor riding so that 
>> was always a last resort. So I learned that I could ride in pretty much any 
>> weather, but I don't like it one little bit. If I could work and ride 
>> anywhere I think the Southwest might be the place. I guess what I'm saying 
>> is if cycling is important to you and you can live where you want, and hate 
>> the rain, maybe you should choose somewhere that it doesn't rain 200 days a 
>> year :)
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pm9RqjfbeRg/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com .
>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

Well a lot of factors go into moving, cycling and being outdoors is just
one piece of the puzzle. I guess my question, in its most simple form is:
is Seattle a constant rain or more intermittent? I think I have my answer,
which is its mostly a drizzle, with bouts of steady rain as well as breaks
in the clouds, which is fine, and sounds like its fairly easy to fit in a
weekend ride assuming I have some flexibility and am ok with at least a
drizzle or risk of, summers sound amazing.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> You already know that you don't like riding in the rain so unless you want
> to try to change that, and you have a choice of where to live, maybe you
> should try somewhere else. I was working in the Northeast for the past 3
> years and I decided to do PBP. That meant I rode in lots and lots of less
> than ideal cycling weather. Once I made up my mind it was a matter of
> suiting up and riding, no matter what. I don't like indoor riding so that
> was always a last resort. So I learned that I could ride in pretty much any
> weather, but I don't like it one little bit. If I could work and ride
> anywhere I think the Southwest might be the place. I guess what I'm saying
> is if cycling is important to you and you can live where you want, and hate
> the rain, maybe you should choose somewhere that it doesn't rain 200 days a
> year :)
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pm9RqjfbeRg/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Patrick Moore]

Please don't move to Albuquerque; we want to keep the year-round riding to
ourselves.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, David Stein  wrote:

> Haha, i am legitimately worried about the endless gray skies in the pac
> nw. that could play into it as well, outside of bike riding. i have heard
> strong warnings about the freeze, it does seem very real. though i can't
> say the bay area is a whole lot different in that aspect at least from the
> 5 years I've been here (local rbw riders withstanding that rule of course!)
>
> austin is a viable city with tons of job opportunities for me, spent a bit
> of time there, but probably not going to happen, all my friends just moved
> away from there.
>
> DC or back to Tennessee is the other option if I were to move, those
> winters are pretty brutal but at least i know what i'm in for. DC can have
> more temperate summers, 'can' being the key word. but i remember getting
> pretty stir crazy in the winters.
>
> worst case i say screw it and trade in all my bikes for a pirogue and some
> fishing gear and move back to my home town of new orleans.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
>> Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
>> Don't move here :D
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.
>>>
>>> - Extremely high rent/housing prices.
>>> - Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are
>>> starting to get a little its far too late.
>>> - It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been
>>> shown to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on
>>> purpose? It's real bad.
>>> - Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant group
>>> of people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is real
>>> and people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy people.
>>> I blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a true
>>> friend.
>>>
>>> This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would want
>>> to move here. Some people will chime in with their personal experiences
>>> being slightly different but statistically the rain, the freeze, and the
>>> housing costs are all facts. If you could look outside my window right now
>>> you would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.
>>>
>>> Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and
>>> playing video games inside all night.
>>>
>>> - Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:

 Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without
 rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to
 me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting
 aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where
 the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy
 to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and
 thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in
 the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no
 brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same
 way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.

 The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun
 going down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.

 On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't
>> looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the
>> distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to
>> autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying
>> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute
>> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>>
>
> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the
> days get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until
> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute 
> home.
>
> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which
> are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your
> neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're
> commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring,
> lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already
> getting lighter around 6am.
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You already know that you don't like riding in the rain so unless you want to 
try to change that, and you have a choice of where to live, maybe you should 
try somewhere else. I was working in the Northeast for the past 3 years and I 
decided to do PBP. That meant I rode in lots and lots of less than ideal 
cycling weather. Once I made up my mind it was a matter of suiting up and 
riding, no matter what. I don't like indoor riding so that was always a last 
resort. So I learned that I could ride in pretty much any weather, but I don't 
like it one little bit. If I could work and ride anywhere I think the Southwest 
might be the place. I guess what I'm saying is if cycling is important to you 
and you can live where you want, and hate the rain, maybe you should choose 
somewhere that it doesn't rain 200 days a year :)

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

Haha, i am legitimately worried about the endless gray skies in the pac nw.
that could play into it as well, outside of bike riding. i have heard
strong warnings about the freeze, it does seem very real. though i can't
say the bay area is a whole lot different in that aspect at least from the
5 years I've been here (local rbw riders withstanding that rule of course!)

austin is a viable city with tons of job opportunities for me, spent a bit
of time there, but probably not going to happen, all my friends just moved
away from there.

DC or back to Tennessee is the other option if I were to move, those
winters are pretty brutal but at least i know what i'm in for. DC can have
more temperate summers, 'can' being the key word. but i remember getting
pretty stir crazy in the winters.

worst case i say screw it and trade in all my bikes for a pirogue and some
fishing gear and move back to my home town of new orleans.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
> Don't move here :D
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.
>>
>> - Extremely high rent/housing prices.
>> - Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are
>> starting to get a little its far too late.
>> - It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been
>> shown to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on
>> purpose? It's real bad.
>> - Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant group
>> of people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is real
>> and people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy people.
>> I blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a true
>> friend.
>>
>> This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would want
>> to move here. Some people will chime in with their personal experiences
>> being slightly different but statistically the rain, the freeze, and the
>> housing costs are all facts. If you could look outside my window right now
>> you would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.
>>
>> Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and
>> playing video games inside all night.
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without
>>> rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to
>>> me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting
>>> aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where
>>> the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy
>>> to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and
>>> thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in
>>> the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no
>>> brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same
>>> way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.
>>>
>>> The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun going
>>> down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>

 I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't
> looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the
> distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to
> autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying
> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute
> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>

 What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the
 days get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until
 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute 
 home.

 Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which
 are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your
 neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're
 commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring,
 lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already
 getting lighter around 6am.

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
 Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
 To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
 https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pm9RqjfbeRg/unsubscribe
 .
 To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
 rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send 

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Jim Bronson]

Ha.  Austin is terrible too, now that you mention it.
Don't move here :D

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.
>
> - Extremely high rent/housing prices.
> - Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are starting
> to get a little its far too late.
> - It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been shown
> to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on purpose?
> It's real bad.
> - Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant group
> of people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is real
> and people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy people.
> I blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a true
> friend.
>
> This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would want
> to move here. Some people will chime in with their personal experiences
> being slightly different but statistically the rain, the freeze, and the
> housing costs are all facts. If you could look outside my window right now
> you would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.
>
> Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and
> playing video games inside all night.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without
>> rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to
>> me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting
>> aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where
>> the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy
>> to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and
>> thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in
>> the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no
>> brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same
>> way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.
>>
>> The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun going
>> down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't
 looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the
 distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to
 autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying
 suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute
 by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.

>>>
>>> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the days
>>> get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until
>>> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute home.
>>>
>>> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which
>>> are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your
>>> neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're
>>> commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring,
>>> lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already
>>> getting lighter around 6am.
>>>
>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pm9RqjfbeRg/unsubscribe
>>> .
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>
>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 
--
signature goes here

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at 

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Ryan Ray]

Don't listen to these people. Seattle is terrible.

- Extremely high rent/housing prices.
- Public transportation is woefully underfunded and though we are starting 
to get a little its far too late.
- It rains all the time. Forever. And its cold, gross rain. Its been shown 
to effect people's mood. Why do you want mood altering rain on purpose? 
It's real bad.
- Bike people here are awesome and you will easily have an instant group of 
people to hang out with and ride bikes. But the Seattle Freeze is real and 
people here (myself included) just are not very outgoing happy people. I 
blame the rain. You could live here for years and never make a true friend.

This place is really bad and I can't think of a reason anyone would want to 
move here. Some people will chime in with their personal experiences being 
slightly different but statistically the rain, the freeze, and the housing 
costs are all facts. If you could look outside my window right now you 
would think its 9:30pm. It's 9:30 AM.

Seattle is a great place if you like working on computers all day and 
playing video games inside all night.

- Ryan





On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without 
> rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to 
> me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting 
> aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where 
> the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy 
> to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and 
> thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in 
> the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no 
> brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same 
> way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.
>
> The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun going 
> down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't 
>>> looked back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the 
>>> distinct change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to 
>>> autumn, winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying 
>>> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute 
>>> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>>>
>>
>> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the days 
>> get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until 
>> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute home.
>>
>> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which 
>> are not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your 
>> neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're 
>> commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring, 
>> lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already 
>> getting lighter around 6am. 
>>
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pm9RqjfbeRg/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com .
>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[David Stein]

Thanks All! My interest lies more in weekend riding, preferably without
rain. A sprinkle is fine. But I find a steady rain just isn't worth it to
me: poor visibility, slick roads, poor brake performance, etc. Commuting
aside, trying to gauge if there are long stretches (weeks, months) where
the rain is constant, or if it lets up here and there making it pretty easy
to find a dry spell, if even for a few hours. Sounds like the latter (and
thats what it seems like when I go there for work). It doesn't rain much in
the bay area, but when it does i find it its pretty steady with almost no
brake in the action, making it harder to get out. Tennessee was the same
way for months on end in the winter, just really poor riding conditions.

The seattle summers sound pretty nice! I've been there and the sun going
down at 10PM and the great weather make it pretty appealing.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't looked
>> back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the distinct
>> change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to autumn,
>> winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying
>> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute
>> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>>
>
> What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the days
> get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until
> 9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute home.
>
> Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which are
> not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your
> neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're
> commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring,
> lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already
> getting lighter around 6am.
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pm9RqjfbeRg/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

['Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch]

> I moved to Seattle from San Jose (Fresno North) in '03, and haven't looked 
> back. What's great about living in the Pacific Northwest is the distinct 
> change of seasons; you can feel the transitions from summer to autumn, 
> winter to spring. The riding up in Seattle and its outlying 
> suburbs/countryside is awesome. When I'm not working from home, I commute 
> by bike, rain or shine. When it snows, I work from home.
>

What you're missing out on in the Bay Area is when spring hits, the days 
get longer. During the summer months, the sun doesn't go down until 
9pm/10pm; lots of late night dinners on the patio after a long commute home.

Winter riding is about suiting up to stay dry on the rainy days, which are 
not as terrible as a lot of people think (ust don't tell any of your 
neighbors I told you that ;) ). Make sure you have good lighting if you're 
commuting to work in the winter months. As the days get longer in spring, 
lights won't matter as much unless you're riding at 5am. It's already 
getting lighter around 6am. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Kieran J]

This made me grin out loud. GOLzz.

KJ

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 7:55:04 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.
>
> For grins I tested this out the other day, though not intentionally. I 
> headed off without grabbing my ventile jacket. Oops. I think the temp was 
> sunny and mid-30's. But boy-howdy was there a wind. The kind of wind that 
> makes the ride steeper both ways -- steeper up the pass, steeper down the 
> pass. My bones had goose pimples. On a whim, I decided to see what I had in 
> my saddlebag. Ha! I'd not unpacked my single layer ventile. I donned it and 
> was instantly out of the wind. Everything relaxed. It took a half mile of 
> chugging up the pass some more to warm my bones back up, but I instantly 
> felt better. I was no longer "braving" anything. I was out having a blast, 
> getting blasted by 40+ mph winds, then turning around and letting those 
> winds sail me down the dirt roads and paths in an amazing sensation of 
> going 40ish mph (no computer, so no idea) without feeling any wind. Awesome!
>
> Clothing matters. Attitude and choice that weather doesn't matter matters. 
> Combine those two and everything else is kid-on-a-bike delight!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> ~~~
> "(I realize that this is subjective to most people who brave rain, snow, 
> or sleet, but I am not one of them :))"
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Deacon Patrick]

There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.

For grins I tested this out the other day, though not intentionally. I 
headed off without grabbing my ventile jacket. Oops. I think the temp was 
sunny and mid-30's. But boy-howdy was there a wind. The kind of wind that 
makes the ride steeper both ways -- steeper up the pass, steeper down the 
pass. My bones had goose pimples. On a whim, I decided to see what I had in 
my saddlebag. Ha! I'd not unpacked my single layer ventile. I donned it and 
was instantly out of the wind. Everything relaxed. It took a half mile of 
chugging up the pass some more to warm my bones back up, but I instantly 
felt better. I was no longer "braving" anything. I was out having a blast, 
getting blasted by 40+ mph winds, then turning around and letting those 
winds sail me down the dirt roads and paths in an amazing sensation of 
going 40ish mph (no computer, so no idea) without feeling any wind. Awesome!

Clothing matters. Attitude and choice that weather doesn't matter matters. 
Combine those two and everything else is kid-on-a-bike delight!

With abandon,
Patrick

~~~
"(I realize that this is subjective to most people who brave rain, snow, or 
sleet, but I am not one of them :))"

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Mark Williams]

It sounds worse than it is.  Our normal annual rainfall is 37" but we've had 
38" since Dec1.
It's not really cold, as in Tennesee, but more wet and cool.  
With the right equipment- fenders, reflectors, sealed bearings your bike will 
be fine.  Layers, gloves, and booties and you will be fine.  The bigger deal is 
having facilities at work to shower, hang dry your clothes and safely park your 
bike.
We have a great mass of commuters- enough so that autos pay notice to your 
existence.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[dstein]

To further clarify, I'm worried that there are 2 month or longer stretches 
where its so rainy that you can't fit any riding in. (I realize that this 
is subjective to most people who brave rain, snow, or sleet, but I am not 
one of them :)) In Tennessee I'd get pretty beat up by 2 months of no 
riding in December-February, worried it'd be like that but much, much 
longer.

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and 
> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of 
> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes. 
> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a 
> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based 
> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the 
> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a 
> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and 
> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find 
> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and 
> weekends are my riding time).
>
> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year 
> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a 
> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks 
> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and 
> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to 
> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I 
> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good 
> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and 
> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers). 
>
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.