Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Kim H.]

Thank you, John.
Kim Hetzel.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 4:49 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> No she is looking for the Lime Green which was the first (or maybe second)
> run of Platypie
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Leah -
>> Is this what you are looking for ?
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/platypus-complete-bike?variant=41153175257199
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA)
>>> when I get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next
>>> county West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change.  And that
>>> pic is exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it
>>> to the side railing.  BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they
>>> don't want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter
>>> rushes begin.  Mostly, it's all good.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>>
 Hi Roberta!

 Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel
 comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the
 hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and
 it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't
 overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train
 crew really cares.

 There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will
 accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run
 on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North,
 MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating
 flipped up in the vestibule:

 [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg]

 Bob

 On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer
> to take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is
> on an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like
> to know how to do it.
>
> Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer
> Philadelphia commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.
>
> I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience
> putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The
> drivers were quite nice about that.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick
> wrote:
>
>> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the
>> time would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require
>> unscrewing the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper 
>> brakes
>> wider tires can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab
>> is moved, requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be
>> fender contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed
>> to sway back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do 
>> it
>> very frequently.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Bob :) ,
>>>
>>> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel
>>> off first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter
>>> without the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>>>
>>> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up,
>>> like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to 
>>> lift
>>> it up a foot or so to the hook.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck
>>> wrote:
>>>
 As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of
 storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line.

 The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that
 runs between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the 
 Empire
 Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when 
 hanging
 the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be
 removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. 
 On the
 return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel 
 on
 the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland
 rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since 
 my
 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus 
 would
 fit in that vert

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Johnny Alien]

No she is looking for the Lime Green which was the first (or maybe second) 
run of Platypie

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Leah -
> Is this what you are looking for ?
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/platypus-complete-bike?variant=41153175257199
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA) when 
>> I get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next county 
>> West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change.  And that pic is 
>> exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it to the 
>> side railing.  BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they don't 
>> want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter rushes 
>> begin.  Mostly, it's all good.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Roberta!
>>>
>>> Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel 
>>> comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the 
>>> hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and 
>>> it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't 
>>> overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train 
>>> crew really cares.
>>>
>>> There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will 
>>> accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run 
>>> on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North, 
>>> MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating 
>>> flipped up in the vestibule:
>>>
>>> [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer to 
 take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is on 
 an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like to 
 know how to do it.  

 Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer Philadelphia 
 commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.

 I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience 
 putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The 
 drivers were quite nice about that.

 Roberta

 On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
> would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require 
> unscrewing 
> the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider 
> tires 
> can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
> requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
> contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to 
> sway 
> back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
> frequently.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Bob :) , 
>>
>> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
>> first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter 
>> without 
>> the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>>
>> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, 
>> like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to 
>> lift 
>> it up a foot or so to the hook.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of 
>>> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>>>
>>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
>>> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
>>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when 
>>> hanging 
>>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
>>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On 
>>> the 
>>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel 
>>> on 
>>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
>>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since 
>>> my 
>>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus 
>>> would 
>>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>>>
>>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue W

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Kim H.]

@Leah -
Is this what you are looking for ?
https://www.rivbike.com/products/platypus-complete-bike?variant=41153175257199

Kim Hetzel.

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA) when 
> I get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next county 
> West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change.  And that pic is 
> exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it to the 
> side railing.  BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they don't 
> want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter rushes 
> begin.  Mostly, it's all good.
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>> Hi Roberta!
>>
>> Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel 
>> comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the 
>> hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and 
>> it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't 
>> overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train 
>> crew really cares.
>>
>> There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will 
>> accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run 
>> on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North, 
>> MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating 
>> flipped up in the vestibule:
>>
>> [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg]
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer to 
>>> take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is on 
>>> an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like to 
>>> know how to do it.  
>>>
>>> Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer Philadelphia 
>>> commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.
>>>
>>> I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience 
>>> putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The 
>>> drivers were quite nice about that.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
 would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require unscrewing 
 the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider 
 tires 
 can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
 requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
 contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to sway 
 back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
 frequently.


 On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> Hi, Bob :) , 
>
> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
> first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter without 
> the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>
> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, 
> like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to 
> lift 
> it up a foot or so to the hook.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of 
>> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>>
>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
>> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when 
>> hanging 
>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On 
>> the 
>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel on 
>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since 
>> my 
>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus 
>> would 
>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>>
>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>>
>>
>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the 
>> same bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just 
>> fine!
>> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html
>>
>> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana and 
>> get on the South Shore 

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[George Schick]

I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA) when I 
get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next county 
West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change.  And that pic is 
exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it to the 
side railing.  BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they don't 
want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter rushes 
begin.  Mostly, it's all good.

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> Hi Roberta!
>
> Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel 
> comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the 
> hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and 
> it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't 
> overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train 
> crew really cares.
>
> There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will 
> accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run 
> on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North, 
> MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating 
> flipped up in the vestibule:
>
> [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg]
>
> Bob
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer to 
>> take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is on 
>> an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like to 
>> know how to do it.  
>>
>> Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer Philadelphia 
>> commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.
>>
>> I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience 
>> putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The 
>> drivers were quite nice about that.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
>>> would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require unscrewing 
>>> the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider tires 
>>> can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
>>> requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
>>> contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to sway 
>>> back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
>>> frequently.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Bob :) , 

 How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
 first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter without 
 the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.

 When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, 
 like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to lift 
 it up a foot or so to the hook.

 Roberta

 On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of 
> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>
> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when 
> hanging 
> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On 
> the 
> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel on 
> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since my 
> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus 
> would 
> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>
> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>
>
> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the same 
> bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just fine!
> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html
>
> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana and 
> get on the South Shore Line to reach Chicago:
> https://mysouthshoreline.com
>
> But it seems that as there is a construction project going on, they 
> have temporarily suspended  bringing bikes on board:
> https://mysouthshoreline.com/plan-your-trip/bikes-on-trains/
>
> I regularly take my bikes on NJT trains here in New Jersey, and 

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Roberta]

I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer to 
take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is on 
an Amtrak train.  Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like to 
know how to do it.  

Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer Philadelphia 
commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise.

I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience putting 
them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it.  The drivers were 
quite nice about that.

Roberta

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
> would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require unscrewing 
> the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider tires 
> can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
> requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
> contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to sway 
> back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
> frequently.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Bob :) , 
>>
>> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
>> first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter without 
>> the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>>
>> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, like 
>> a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to lift it up 
>> a foot or so to the hook.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>>
>>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of 
>>> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>>>
>>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
>>> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
>>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when hanging 
>>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
>>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On the 
>>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel on 
>>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
>>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since my 
>>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus would 
>>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>>>
>>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the same 
>>> bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just fine!
>>> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html
>>>
>>> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana and get 
>>> on the South Shore Line to reach Chicago:
>>> https://mysouthshoreline.com
>>>
>>> But it seems that as there is a construction project going on, they have 
>>> temporarily suspended  bringing bikes on board:
>>> https://mysouthshoreline.com/plan-your-trip/bikes-on-trains/
>>>
>>> I regularly take my bikes on NJT trains here in New Jersey, and similar 
>>> to what Roberta mentioned, as in most commuter lines there are open spaces 
>>> at the ends of each car, or sets you can flip out of the way, to store your 
>>> bike; perhaps the South Shore Line has a similar set-up?
>>>
>>> Bob E
>>> Cranford, NJ
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I'm ok with it! 

 On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:52:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; )
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
>> monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
>> mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm 
>> going 
>> to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any 
>> over-52cm 
>> Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to 
 carry on (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know 
 of 
 one 50 Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't 
 remember 
 if she brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary 
 trip 
 this summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[George Schick]

Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the time 
would be a PITA.  First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require unscrewing 
the QR a bit.  Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper brakes wider tires 
can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab is moved, 
requiring some air to be bled out first.  Finally, there may be fender 
contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed to sway 
back and forth with out the wheel intact.  I wouldn't want to do it very 
frequently.


On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> Hi, Bob :) , 
>
> How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
> first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter without 
> the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.
>
> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, like a 
> wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to lift it up a 
> foot or so to the hook.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of storage 
>> the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>>
>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
>> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when hanging 
>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On the 
>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel on 
>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since my 
>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus would 
>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>>
>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>>
>>
>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the same 
>> bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just fine!
>> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html
>>
>> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana and get 
>> on the South Shore Line to reach Chicago:
>> https://mysouthshoreline.com
>>
>> But it seems that as there is a construction project going on, they have 
>> temporarily suspended  bringing bikes on board:
>> https://mysouthshoreline.com/plan-your-trip/bikes-on-trains/
>>
>> I regularly take my bikes on NJT trains here in New Jersey, and similar 
>> to what Roberta mentioned, as in most commuter lines there are open spaces 
>> at the ends of each car, or sets you can flip out of the way, to store your 
>> bike; perhaps the South Shore Line has a similar set-up?
>>
>> Bob E
>> Cranford, NJ
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'm ok with it! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:52:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; )


 On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
> monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
> mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm going 
> to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any 
> over-52cm 
> Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry 
>>> on (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 
>>> 50 
>>> Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if 
>>> she 
>>> brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip 
>>> this 
>>> summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they 
>>> might 
>>> say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.
>>>
>>> In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the 
>>> train, but there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of 
>>> the 
>>> car and try to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I 
>>> can 
>>> hang it.   I don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob 
>>> member who does alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage 
>>> situation.)  
>>> On the Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with 
>>> one 
>>> good bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to 
>>> take it 
>>> on a bus rack).  You can see my 2

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Roberta]

Hi, Bob :) , 

How do you hang it from the back wheel?  You take the front wheel off 
first, then  lift up the back wheel?  I guess the bike is lighter without 
the front wheel.  I'm not sure I'd have the strength.

When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel  up, like a 
wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to lift it up a 
foot or so to the hook.

Roberta

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of storage 
> the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. 
>
> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that runs 
> between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the Empire 
> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when hanging 
> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be 
> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. On the 
> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel on 
> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland 
> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since my 
> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus would 
> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed.
>
> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg]
>
>
> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the same 
> bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just fine!
> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html
>
> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana and get 
> on the South Shore Line to reach Chicago:
> https://mysouthshoreline.com
>
> But it seems that as there is a construction project going on, they have 
> temporarily suspended  bringing bikes on board:
> https://mysouthshoreline.com/plan-your-trip/bikes-on-trains/
>
> I regularly take my bikes on NJT trains here in New Jersey, and similar to 
> what Roberta mentioned, as in most commuter lines there are open spaces at 
> the ends of each car, or sets you can flip out of the way, to store your 
> bike; perhaps the South Shore Line has a similar set-up?
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'm ok with it! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:52:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; )
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
 monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
 mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm going 
 to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any over-52cm 
 Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 

 On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry 
>> on (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 
>> 50 
>> Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if 
>> she 
>> brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
>> summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they 
>> might 
>> say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.
>>
>> In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, 
>> but there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car 
>> and 
>> try to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang 
>> it.   
>> I don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who 
>> does 
>> alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
>> Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
>> bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it 
>> on a 
>> bus rack).  You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK.  If I wanted to take a 
>> bike 
>> with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in other parts 
>> of 
>> the country, the bus racks are longer?
>>
>> So, how often would one need to take it on a train/bus/Amtrak?  For 
>> me, right now, little on Amtrak, but lots on busses.  I imagine the 
>> adventures I could have taking a bus/train one way and the bike the 
>> other 
>> direction.
>>
>> Roberta  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and 
>>> technically we have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality 
>>> if

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

I'm ok with it! 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:52:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; )
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
>> monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
>> mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm going 
>> to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any over-52cm 
>> Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry on 
 (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 50 
 Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if she 
 brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
 summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they 
 might 
 say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.

 In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, 
 but there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car and 
 try to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang it.  
  
 I don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who does 
 alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
 Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
 bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it on 
 a 
 bus rack).  You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK.  If I wanted to take a bike 
 with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in other parts of 
 the country, the bus racks are longer?

 So, how often would one need to take it on a train/bus/Amtrak?  For me, 
 right now, little on Amtrak, but lots on busses.  I imagine the adventures 
 I could have taking a bus/train one way and the bike the other direction.

 Roberta  

 On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and 
> technically we have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if 
> you've got stuff and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on 
> there..it's on there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the 
> bikes store vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's 
> going to work. 
>
> Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my 
> custom" Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? 
>> The Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine 
>> print, but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger 
>> than that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a 
>> standard 
>> bike (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. 
>> Obviously you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but 
>> I'm curious if anyone has had issues.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the 
>>> Amtrak line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for 
>>> checked, 
>>> in a box. 
>>>
>>> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in 
>>> southern Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On 
>>> this 
>>> line there is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike 
>>> lockers available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front 
>>> wheel 
>>> must be removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to 
>>> lash 
>>> the frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and 
>>> damaging 
>>> the frame’s finish.
>>>
>>> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b 
>>> wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the 
>>> locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 
>>> 8-10” available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>>>
>>> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". 
 Your bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 

 On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[George Schick]

Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; )


On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
> monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
> mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm going 
> to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any over-52cm 
> Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry on 
>>> (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 50 
>>> Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if she 
>>> brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
>>> summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they might 
>>> say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.
>>>
>>> In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, 
>>> but there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car and 
>>> try to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang it.   
>>> I don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who does 
>>> alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
>>> Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
>>> bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it on a 
>>> bus rack).  You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK.  If I wanted to take a bike 
>>> with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in other parts of 
>>> the country, the bus racks are longer?
>>>
>>> So, how often would one need to take it on a train/bus/Amtrak?  For me, 
>>> right now, little on Amtrak, but lots on busses.  I imagine the adventures 
>>> I could have taking a bus/train one way and the bike the other direction.
>>>
>>> Roberta  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and technically 
 we have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if you've got 
 stuff and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on there..it's 
 on there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the bikes store 
 vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's going to work. 

 Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my 
 custom" Bernard 

 On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? 
> The Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine 
> print, but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger 
> than that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a 
> standard 
> bike (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. 
> Obviously you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but 
> I'm curious if anyone has had issues.
>
> Brian
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the 
>> Amtrak line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for 
>> checked, 
>> in a box. 
>>
>> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in 
>> southern Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this 
>> line there is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike 
>> lockers available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front 
>> wheel 
>> must be removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to 
>> lash 
>> the frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and 
>> damaging 
>> the frame’s finish.
>>
>> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b 
>> wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the 
>> locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 
>> 8-10” available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>>
>> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". 
>>> Your bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 
>>> kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking 
 amtrak to pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to 
 LA. 
>>>

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother kettle of 
monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some longish 29er 
mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these days I'm going 
to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and any over-52cm 
Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> forgot the "OMG" pics.
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry on 
>> (roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 50 
>> Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if she 
>> brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
>> summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they might 
>> say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.
>>
>> In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, but 
>> there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car and try 
>> to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang it.   I 
>> don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who does 
>> alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
>> Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
>> bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it on a 
>> bus rack).  You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK.  If I wanted to take a bike 
>> with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in other parts of 
>> the country, the bus racks are longer?
>>
>> So, how often would one need to take it on a train/bus/Amtrak?  For me, 
>> right now, little on Amtrak, but lots on busses.  I imagine the adventures 
>> I could have taking a bus/train one way and the bike the other direction.
>>
>> Roberta  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and technically 
>>> we have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if you've got 
>>> stuff and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on there..it's 
>>> on there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the bikes store 
>>> vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's going to work. 
>>>
>>> Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my custom" 
>>> Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? The 
 Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine print, 
 but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger than 
 that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a standard 
 bike 
 (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. Obviously 
 you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but I'm curious 
 if anyone has had issues.

 Brian

 On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the 
> Amtrak line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for checked, 
> in a box. 
>
> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in 
> southern Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this 
> line there is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike 
> lockers available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front wheel 
> must be removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to 
> lash 
> the frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and 
> damaging 
> the frame’s finish.
>
> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b 
> wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the 
> locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 
> 8-10” available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>
> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". 
>> Your bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 
>> kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking 
>>> amtrak to pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to 
>>> LA. 
>>> Can someone confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the 
>>> train 
>>> without boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your 
>>> Platycisions Leah! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Roberta]

I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to carry on 
(roll on) service.  All he did was look at the bike.  I know of one 50 
Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour,  but I don't remember if she 
brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding anniversary trip this 
summer.  Leah might know.  I wouldn't want to take a chance that they might 
say "no" when I roll my bike to the door.

In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the train, but 
there is no special place to store it, so I sit the end of the car and try 
to keep it out of the way.  In S. Jersey's River line, I can hang it.   I 
don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one iBob member who does 
alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage situation.)  On the 
Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid with one good 
bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced to take it on a 
bus rack).  You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK.  If I wanted to take a bike 
with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in other parts of 
the country, the bus racks are longer?

So, how often would one need to take it on a train/bus/Amtrak?  For me, 
right now, little on Amtrak, but lots on busses.  I imagine the adventures 
I could have taking a bus/train one way and the bike the other direction.

Roberta  

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and technically we 
> have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if you've got stuff 
> and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on there..it's on 
> there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the bikes store 
> vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's going to work. 
>
> Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my custom" 
> Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? The 
>> Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine print, 
>> but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger than 
>> that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a standard bike 
>> (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. Obviously 
>> you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but I'm curious 
>> if anyone has had issues.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the Amtrak 
>>> line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for checked, in a 
>>> box. 
>>>
>>> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in southern 
>>> Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this line there 
>>> is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike lockers 
>>> available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front wheel must be 
>>> removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to lash the 
>>> frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and damaging the 
>>> frame’s finish.
>>>
>>> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b 
>>> wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the 
>>> locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 
>>> 8-10” available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>>>
>>> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". Your 
 bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 

 On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking 
> amtrak to pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. 
> Can someone confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train 
> without boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your 
> Platycisions Leah! 
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes 
>> (a number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be 
>> a 
>> folder!
>> Great for train travel.
>> Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
>> Great for conversation starter.
>> Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH 
>>> would not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some 
>>> models 
>>> are equipped with more u

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and technically we 
have limits on what will fit on the bus but in reality if you've got stuff 
and you haven't convinced me you can't get that stuff on there..it's on 
there! My understanding (I've never been on Amtrak) is the bikes store 
vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a tandem it's going to work. 

Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce my custom" 
Bernard 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? The 
> Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine print, 
> but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger than 
> that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a standard bike 
> (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. Obviously 
> you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but I'm curious 
> if anyone has had issues.
>
> Brian
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the Amtrak 
>> line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for checked, in a 
>> box. 
>>
>> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in southern 
>> Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this line there 
>> is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike lockers 
>> available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front wheel must be 
>> removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to lash the 
>> frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and damaging the 
>> frame’s finish.
>>
>> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b 
>> wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the 
>> locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 
>> 8-10” available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>>
>> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". Your 
>>> bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking amtrak 
 to pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. Can 
 someone confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train 
 without boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your 
 Platycisions Leah! 

 On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:

> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
> number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
> folder!
> Great for train travel.
> Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
> Great for conversation starter.
> Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...
>
> Good luck!
>
> Edwin
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>
>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH 
>> would not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some 
>> models 
>> are equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They 
>> come with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of 
>> course, they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel 
>> bike 
>> and you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with 
>> carry-on bikes.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But 
>>> maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
>>> range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
>>> have 
>>> them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long 
>>> for 
>>> buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with 
>>> my 
>>> bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says 
>>> she 
>>> can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and 
>>> lets 
>>> some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could 
>>> ride 
>>> that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
>>> Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might 
>>> be a 
>>> real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many 
>>> Platys a 

[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Brian Forsee]

Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase length? The 
Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width limit in their fine print, 
but I have never had an issue even though all my tires are larger than 
that. I asked a conductor once and he basically said if its a standard bike 
(non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) he didn't care. Obviously 
you can't assume every train official will be lax about it but I'm curious 
if anyone has had issues.

Brian

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 allan@gmail.com wrote:

> It depends what type of bike-related service is available on the Amtrak 
> line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe cites are for checked, in a 
> box. 
>
> I occasionally bring a bike on the train  from where I live in southern 
> Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak station. On this line there 
> is only carryon service and there are only 4 special bike lockers 
> available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the front wheel must be 
> removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I have to lash the 
> frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging and damaging the 
> frame’s finish.
>
> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both have 650b wheels. 
> I’ve never actually measured the vertical space afforded by the locker but 
> without a front wheel it seemed that there might be another 8-10” 
> available; I’ll bring a tape next time.
>
> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". Your 
>> bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking amtrak 
>>> to pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. Can 
>>> someone confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train 
>>> without boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your 
>>> Platycisions Leah! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
 number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
 folder!
 Great for train travel.
 Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
 Great for conversation starter.
 Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...

 Good luck!

 Edwin

 On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with 
> carry-on 
> bikes.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But 
>> maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>
>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
>> range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
>> have 
>> them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long 
>> for 
>> buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with 
>> my 
>> bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says 
>> she 
>> can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
>> some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
>> that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>
>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
>> Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be 
>> a 
>> real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys 
>> a 
>> girl can have.
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" x 8.5". Your bike 
will be approximately 4-5 inches too long for Amtrak. 

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking amtrak to 
> pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. Can someone 
> confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train without 
> boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your Platycisions Leah! 
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
>> number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
>> folder!
>> Great for train travel.
>> Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
>> Great for conversation starter.
>> Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
>>> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
>>> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
>>> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
>>> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
>>> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
>>> bikes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
 not. I’ve done crazier things. 

 Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
 range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
 have 
 them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for 
 buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my 
 bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she 
 can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
 some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
 that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.

 Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
 Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a 
 real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a 
 girl can have.
 Leah

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Armand Kizirian]

I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking amtrak to 
pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. Can someone 
confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train without 
boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your Platycisions Leah! 

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:

> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
> number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
> folder!
> Great for train travel.
> Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
> Great for conversation starter.
> Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...
>
> Good luck!
>
> Edwin
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>
>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
>> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
>> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
>> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
>> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
>> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
>> bikes.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>>> can have.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Edwin W]

I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
folder!
Great for train travel.
Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
Great for conversation starter.
Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...

Good luck!

Edwin

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would not 
> be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
> bikes.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>
>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>
>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>> can have.
>> Leah
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Jason Fuller]

I'm 5'8" with an ~81 pbh and I've decided that if I were to get a Platy 
(and I do entertain the idea, although I can't do it in the foreseeable 
future) I'd get a 50 because I love the way 650B wheels ride.  At my (our) 
height, I think either size can totally work fine. Changing the handlebar 
from a Billie to an Albatross would effectively cancel out the differing 
top tube length, or maybe you'd want to try a bar with moderate sweep on it 
- which would give it quite a different feel from the other Platy(s) as 
well!  Or, since I know you love the Billie bar, trimming the ends by the 
same difference as the top tube length might be the best plan! 

I totally think you should do it. If an additional bike isn't justifiable, 
it would still make sense to replace the shopping Platy with a 50 in my 
opinion, as then you've got three distinct feeling bikes with distinct 
purposes, and the shopping Platy already has the carrying capacity to 
become the traveling Platy on weekends! 



On Sunday, 12 November 2023 at 12:59:08 UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Bill - I measure my 55 Platy about 75”, end to end.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 12, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Garth, are you saying you’re sending me a Betty?! Because I would NOT be 
> sad! 🤣
>
> On Nov 12, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
> Maybe the Betty like the one you sold(or similar) is on it's way to your 
> front door :)
>
> A smaller Platy also comes with less frame reach and bar height potential. 
> Since you're already at the max stem height and length , going to a smaller 
> frame doesn't work for you. Neither does a high rise bar like the Bosco 
> since it comes back further than bar you currently have. 
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:23:07 PM UTC-5 allan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Two additional data points…
>>
>> Wife has 80PBH
>> 50cm Rosco Platy (Circa 2022)
>> LOA 182cm (71.5”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 72.5” LOA)
>>
>> I have 87 PBH
>> 58cm Yves/Betty 
>> LOA 176cm (69.25”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 70”LOA)
>>
>> Allan, in Marlboro, VT
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:03:10 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> *Bill requests: *
>>> *3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the 
>>> total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the 
>>> trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you*
>>>
>>> Total end-to-end length of 52cm Wilbury and 52cm Glorius is between 
>>> 67.5" and 68", both with 42mm 650b and fenders. The slight difference is 
>>> due to different fenders.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Leah

 My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
 include the following:

 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total 
 end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
 edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you

 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total 
 end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
 edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you

 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the 
 total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the 
 trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you

 I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
 step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
 she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you 
 were 
 eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
 minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But 
> maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>
> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
> range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
> have 
> them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for 
> buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with 
> my 
> bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she 
> can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
> some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
> that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>
> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
> Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought e

Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Leah Peterson]

Bill - I measure my 55 Platy about 75”, end to end.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 12, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Garth, are you saying you’re sending me a Betty?! Because I would NOT be sad! 🤣On Nov 12, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Garth  wrote:Maybe the Betty like the one you sold(or similar) is on it's way to your front door :)A smaller Platy also comes with less frame reach and bar height potential. Since you're already at the max stem height and length , going to a smaller frame doesn't work for you. Neither does a high rise bar like the Bosco since it comes back further than bar you currently have. On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:23:07 PM UTC-5 allan@gmail.com wrote:Two additional data points…Wife has 80PBH50cm Rosco Platy (Circa 2022)LOA 182cm (71.5”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 72.5” LOA)I have 87 PBH58cm Yves/Betty LOA 176cm (69.25”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 70”LOA)Allan, in Marlboro, VTOn Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:03:10 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:Bill requests: 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank youTotal end-to-end length of 52cm Wilbury and 52cm Glorius is between 67.5" and 68", both with 42mm 650b and fenders. The slight difference is due to different fenders.On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:LeahMy recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would include the following:1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank youI think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced.  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl can have.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Leah Peterson]

Garth, are you saying you’re sending me a Betty?! Because I would NOT be sad! 🤣On Nov 12, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Garth  wrote:Maybe the Betty like the one you sold(or similar) is on it's way to your front door :)A smaller Platy also comes with less frame reach and bar height potential. Since you're already at the max stem height and length , going to a smaller frame doesn't work for you. Neither does a high rise bar like the Bosco since it comes back further than bar you currently have. On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:23:07 PM UTC-5 allan@gmail.com wrote:Two additional data points…Wife has 80PBH50cm Rosco Platy (Circa 2022)LOA 182cm (71.5”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 72.5” LOA)I have 87 PBH58cm Yves/Betty LOA 176cm (69.25”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 70”LOA)Allan, in Marlboro, VTOn Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:03:10 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:Bill requests: 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank youTotal end-to-end length of 52cm Wilbury and 52cm Glorius is between 67.5" and 68", both with 42mm 650b and fenders. The slight difference is due to different fenders.On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:LeahMy recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would include the following:1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank youI think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced.  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl can have.Leah



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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Garth]

Maybe the Betty like the one you sold(or similar) is on it's way to your 
front door :)

A smaller Platy also comes with less frame reach and bar height potential. 
Since you're already at the max stem height and length , going to a smaller 
frame doesn't work for you. Neither does a high rise bar like the Bosco 
since it comes back further than bar you currently have. 

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:23:07 PM UTC-5 allan@gmail.com wrote:

> Two additional data points…
>
> Wife has 80PBH
> 50cm Rosco Platy (Circa 2022)
> LOA 182cm (71.5”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 72.5” LOA)
>
> I have 87 PBH
> 58cm Yves/Betty 
> LOA 176cm (69.25”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 70”LOA)
>
> Allan, in Marlboro, VT
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:03:10 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> *Bill requests: *
>> *3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the 
>> total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the 
>> trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you*
>>
>> Total end-to-end length of 52cm Wilbury and 52cm Glorius is between 67.5" 
>> and 68", both with 42mm 650b and fenders. The slight difference is due to 
>> different fenders.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
>>> include the following:
>>>
>>> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total 
>>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total 
>>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the 
>>> total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the 
>>> trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
>>> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
>>> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
>>> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>>>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
>>> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
 not. I’ve done crazier things. 

 Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
 range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
 have 
 them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for 
 buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my 
 bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she 
 can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
 some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
 that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.

 Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
 Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a 
 real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a 
 girl can have.
 Leah

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Allan McLane]

Two additional data points…

Wife has 80PBH
50cm Rosco Platy (Circa 2022)
LOA 182cm (71.5”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 72.5” LOA)

I have 87 PBH
58cm Yves/Betty 
LOA 176cm (69.25”) w/ 42-584 smooth tread (+2cm for fender, 70”LOA)

Allan, in Marlboro, VT
On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:03:10 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> *Bill requests: *
> *3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you*
>
> Total end-to-end length of 52cm Wilbury and 52cm Glorius is between 67.5" 
> and 68", both with 42mm 650b and fenders. The slight difference is due to 
> different fenders.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
>> include the following:
>>
>> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
>> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
>> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
>> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
>> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
>> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
>> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
>> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
>> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>>> can have.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Bill Lindsay]

Dynamite measurement.  Leah, that empirical data suggests that a short 
wheelbase Riv step through would be roughly 4 inches shorter than a Mrs. 
Bubba's 50cm Platypus, end to end.  What is the total end to end length of 
your 55cm Platy?  To first order, I would expect the 52cm Betty to have the 
same length, and is a very promising option for your "train bike" build 
concept.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:03:10 AM UTC-8 J J wrote:

> *Bill requests: *
> *3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you*
>
> Total end-to-end length of 52cm Wilbury and 52cm Glorius is between 67.5" 
> and 68", both with 42mm 650b and fenders. The slight difference is due to 
> different fenders.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
>> include the following:
>>
>> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
>> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
>> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
>> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
>> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
>> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
>> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
>> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
>> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>>> can have.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[J J]

*Bill requests: *
*3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you*

Total end-to-end length of 52cm Wilbury and 52cm Glorius is between 67.5" 
and 68", both with 42mm 650b and fenders. The slight difference is due to 
different fenders.


On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:20:38 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
> include the following:
>
> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>
>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>
>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>> can have.
>> Leah
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Leah Peterson]

Yeah, Sarah, I support this idea! Do we have the same PBH? I seem to remember do. 81cm for me…On Nov 12, 2023, at 11:26 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:Go ride it, Sarah! I'm the same height as y'all and I rode the first 50cm prototype, it felt great. On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 7:01:01 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:Hey RivSister, want me to got test ride the 50 for you? I know we both like an oversize frame so this could be an interesting experiment for both of usOn Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 6:55:49 AM UTC-8 Howard Hatten wrote:Since you already own a few step thru-step over rivs maybe you might want to consider adding a Sam Hillborne to the stable. You never know, someday you might want to try a drop bar cockpit on your group ride machine. Your chariot would be waiting. HowardLivonia MiOn Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:16:07 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on bikes.On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl can have.Leah



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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

Go ride it, Sarah! I'm the same height as y'all and I rode the first 50cm 
prototype, it felt great. 

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 7:01:01 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey RivSister, want me to got test ride the 50 for you? I know we both 
> like an oversize frame so this could be an interesting experiment for both 
> of us
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 6:55:49 AM UTC-8 Howard Hatten wrote:
>
>> Since you already own a few step thru-step over rivs maybe you might want 
>> to consider adding a Sam Hillborne to the stable. You never know, someday 
>> you might want to try a drop bar cockpit on your group ride machine. Your 
>> chariot would be waiting. 
>>
>> Howard
>> Livonia Mi
>>
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:16:07 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
>>> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
>>> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
>>> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
>>> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
>>> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
>>> bikes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
 not. I’ve done crazier things. 

 Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
 range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
 have 
 them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for 
 buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my 
 bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she 
 can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
 some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
 that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.

 Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
 Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a 
 real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a 
 girl can have.
 Leah

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Sarah Carlson]

Hey RivSister, want me to got test ride the 50 for you? I know we both like 
an oversize frame so this could be an interesting experiment for both of 
us

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 6:55:49 AM UTC-8 Howard Hatten wrote:

> Since you already own a few step thru-step over rivs maybe you might want 
> to consider adding a Sam Hillborne to the stable. You never know, someday 
> you might want to try a drop bar cockpit on your group ride machine. Your 
> chariot would be waiting. 
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:16:07 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
>> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
>> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
>> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
>> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
>> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
>> bikes.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>>> can have.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Howard Hatten]

Since you already own a few step thru-step over rivs maybe you might want 
to consider adding a Sam Hillborne to the stable. You never know, someday 
you might want to try a drop bar cockpit on your group ride machine. Your 
chariot would be waiting. 

Howard
Livonia Mi

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 9:16:07 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would not 
> be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
> bikes.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>
>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>
>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>> can have.
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[George Schick]

If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would not 
be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
bikes.


On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>
> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>
> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
> can have.
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Brian Turner]

Here’s an outside the lines suggestion: find a lovely rim brake model Soma 
Buena Vista mixte and build it up similarly to your Platys. Use that as your 
“travel bike”. I’m thinking a 54cm would suit you based on what you’re 
currently comfortable riding with your Rivs. My wife has one, and it’s one of 
the best riding bikes I’ve ever been on, and probably the prettiest in our 
household. Actually, hers is red and kinda looks a lot like your raspberry 
Platy.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Johnny Alien]

My PBH is somewhere in that 80 to 81 range. 80.5? Something inbetween like 
that. I am 5'9" but have a short inseam. I like being at the top of the 
range vs at the bottom so 50cm for a Platy is where I would personally go. 
I have a 50cm Proto-Gallop and I love it. Knowing you are comfortable with 
the 55 makes me very curious how you would like the smaller size. Based on 
your other setups you like a bit of stretchI'm not sure if the 50 could 
give that to you. I suggest buying one. I would have voted purple but the 
green is very nice as well.

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 8:31:01 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> 
> How much wiggle room is there on the brakes for smaller wheels? Would a 
> smaller diameter wheelset allow the bike to load on the train? 
>
> Or bring a 16” front wheel with you and use it for the train rack and then 
> swap out when at the destination. A 16” wheel should fit in any Riv 
> approved saddlebag.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 11, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Her Platys have the same 53cm chainstays as my custom, and my ETT of 63 
> compares to the Platy 61.5. Add 700c wheels on hers vs. 650b on mine and 
> it's a wash, we own long bikes! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:21:47 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> While we're at it, it would be fun I think for you to consider what's the 
>> wheelbase of Joe Bernard's custom.  
>>
>> #SWBST
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:20:38 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
>>> include the following:
>>>
>>> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total 
>>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total 
>>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the 
>>> total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the 
>>> trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>>
>>> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
>>> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
>>> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
>>> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>>>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
>>> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
 not. I’ve done crazier things. 

 Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH 
 range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t 
 have 
 them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for 
 buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my 
 bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she 
 can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets 
 some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride 
 that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.

 Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. 
 Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a 
 real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a 
 girl can have.
 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[rltilley]

How much wiggle room is there on the brakes for smaller wheels? Would a smaller diameter wheelset allow the bike to load on the train? Or bring a 16” front wheel with you and use it for the train rack and then swap out when at the destination. A 16” wheel should fit in any Riv approved saddlebag.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Nov 11, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:Her Platys have the same 53cm chainstays as my custom, and my ETT of 63 compares to the Platy 61.5. Add 700c wheels on hers vs. 650b on mine and it's a wash, we own long bikes! Joe Bernard On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:21:47 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:While we're at it, it would be fun I think for you to consider what's the wheelbase of Joe Bernard's custom.  #SWBSTBL in ECOn Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:20:38 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:LeahMy recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would include the following:1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank youI think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced.  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl can have.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Leah Peterson]

Oh, good idea. How many people will actually take the time though? Well, Joe will! I can count on him! Also, I’d love to have a hot, sporty short WB Riv in my arsenal! It’s even more attractive when you put it that way!  Mostly if I could pull my Clem parts and slap them on there. We’ll see. If I did get a Platy I’d want to do lime olive because one cannot have TWO mermaid Platys. I draw the line!On Nov 11, 2023, at 5:20 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:LeahMy recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would include the following:1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank youI think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced.  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl can have.Leah



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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Joe Bernard]

Her Platys have the same 53cm chainstays as my custom, and my ETT of 63 
compares to the Platy 61.5. Add 700c wheels on hers vs. 650b on mine and 
it's a wash, we own long bikes! 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:21:47 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> While we're at it, it would be fun I think for you to consider what's the 
> wheelbase of Joe Bernard's custom.  
>
> #SWBST
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:20:38 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
>> include the following:
>>
>> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
>> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
>> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
>> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
>> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
>> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
>> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>>
>> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
>> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
>> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
>> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
>> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>>> can have.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Bill Lindsay]

While we're at it, it would be fun I think for you to consider what's the 
wheelbase of Joe Bernard's custom.  

#SWBST

BL in EC

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 2:20:38 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
> include the following:
>
> 1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> 2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
> to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
> the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> 3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
> end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
> edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you
>
> I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
> step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
> she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
> eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
>  Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
> minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>
>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>
>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>> can have.
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Bill Lindsay]

Leah

My recommendation for an alternative set of academic questions would 
include the following:

1.  YOU own a 52cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you

2.  YOU own a 55cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy.  Please measure the total end 
to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing edge of 
the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you

3.  YOU own a medium/small Glorious or Wilbury.  Please measure the total 
end to end length from the front edge of the front tire to the trailing 
edge of the rear fender (or tire).  Please and thank you

I think it would be HOT if you had a sporty short wheelbase Riv 
step-through in your ARSENAL.  Mrs Bubba used to own a 52cm Gomez, but now 
she's on a 50cm Platy and it's not actively for sale.  Although if you were 
eager to lease it for an extended period, I bet she could be convinced. 
 Hers is Mermaid, and its full end to end length is 72 inches, plus or 
minus a quarter-inch, with 650B x 48 Rene Herse knobbies and no fenders.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:27:55 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>
> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>
> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
> can have.
> Leah
>

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