Re: [RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-21 Thread Paul Clifton
Did y'all click the link to the linen jumpsuit in the Riv email update 
today: https://www.crustbikes.com/products/katia-linen-jumpsuit/

If it came in my large man size, I'd wear it! But for now, I'll stick to a 
loose fitting cotton or synthetic long-sleeve button down and sunscreen on 
my legs, face, neck, hands, everywhere.

Before I saw that jumpsuit, I was imagining some sort of linen ali-baba 
pants, but with a higher inseam and a bike-specific cinch for the leg. I 
love the way the legs button on that jump suit. I'd have to wear a long 
sleeve shirt over it no matter what, but I think my chest hair would look 
brilliant in that scoop neck.

I'm 35 and have to have a basal-cell cut off the top of my ear. I'm going 
to look into on of those Da Brims!

Paul in NW AR

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-19 Thread masmojo
Yes, Leah I never have been a fan of slathering chemicals on my skin either; 
then I heard last year that the typical sunscreen was getting absorbed into the 
bloodstream! That seemed like it was probably not a good thing and just 
reinforced my resolve not to use it. 
Between the fact that I've been riding in sunny Texas for 52 years and with the 
Global Warming it just seems to get hotter and more sunny every year.  I had to 
start covering my skin; arms, nose & neck especially. 
Problem for me is finding something that does the job, isn't too hot and fits 
my idea of what appropriate cycling gear should look like.
 Unfortunately most sun specific bike gear errs towards a super technical look 
that's kind of overkill OR more genteel, stuff that looks like it's perfect for 
sitting around in & drinking iced tea on the veranda.
I may be old enough to be a grandpa, but I'm not one and I do make an effort to 
not reinforce the geriatric stereotype. 
Maybe one day I'll stop dressing like a teenager, but I doubt it.
Yesterday, I was riding with a light weight, white, cotton T-shirt & while it 
didn't cover my arms I never felt uncomfortable.
I sometimes ride with rayon Hawaiian shirts that I've gotten at the thrift 
store, but again they don't cover my arms.

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-19 Thread greenteadrinkers
Really like this brand: https://www.exofficio.com/ I've traveled a good bit 
throughout India with a few Exoffico shirts, super light weight, can 
withstand prolonged wear in not-so friendly environments, super easy to 
wash, and fast drying. The shirts pack down so tightly they take up like no 
space, and seem to weight nothing. During the day (in the oppressive heat 
of southern India, a long sleeve worked great, then at night, I'd layer it 
over a thin merino), that combo was all I needed for like a week of travel.

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:58:35 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-19 Thread greenteadrinkers
Really like this brand: https://www.exofficio.com/ I've traveled a good bit 
throughout India with a few Exoffico shirts, super light weight, can 
withstand prolonged wear in not-so friendly environments, super easy to 
wash, and fast drying. The shirts pack down so tightly they take up like no 
space, and seem to weight nothing. During the day (in oppressive the heat 
of southern India, a long sleeve worked great, then at night, I'd layer it 
over a thin merino), really that combo was all I needed for like a week of 
travel.

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:58:35 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-18 Thread Mike Packard
I think I'm going to try one of these capilene cool hoody things, hopefully 
the hood will work under my helmet to provide neck protection. Has anyone 
seen a merino equivalent? 

https://www.rei.com/product/146801/patagonia-capilene-cool-daily-hoodie-mens

Mike in Austin

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-18 Thread Nick Payne
Here in Australia, both my wife and myself wear Groundeffect long sleeve 
summer tops when the weather gets hot. They're made from a lightweight 
material that has an UPF of at least 50. The women's range of these tops is 
here: https://www.groundeffect.co.nz/collections/womens-summer-tops. Here 
in Australia I can order from Groundeffect in NZ and delivery only takes a 
few days, but particularly with the present situation, I don't know what 
the delivery time to the US would be.

They also make pretty good Winter cycling gear as well.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-18 Thread Bill Rhea
Hi Leah, that is one sweet-looking Clementine!

Funny but I was thinking about the sun protection thing as I just retired 
my first plaid MUSA seersucker as it's literally "holy" to the point where 
my GF is embarrassed to see me in it

I actually really, really like these REI synthetic long sleevers for the 
hottest days: 
https://www.rei.com/product/120043/rei-co-op-sahara-long-sleeve-shirt-womens

It gets plenty hot here in Napa (though not like Vegas) and I wear this 
kind of long-sleever without it feeling too hot, even with sleeves down.  I 
wear a bandanna also, and between that and the collar you get great neck 
protection.

Cheers,

-Bill Rhea
Napa, CA

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:58:35 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-18 Thread Jeffrey Arita
I believe it was Grant at Riv that got me on the seersucker material thing 
(several years ago?).  I was able to test the clothing material on a tour 
my wife and I did last summer (ACA's CHI -> NYC route).  It was of course 
hot and humid and the shortsleeve seersucker shirts I wore were quite 
comfortable and cool - despite wearing a backpack-style hydration pack.  IF 
you didn't wear a hydration pack I imagine it would be even cooler.  Be 
advised: be especially careful entering any air-conditioned convenience 
store.  I nearly froze inside as they typically had the AC set so darned 
low.  It felt much better when going back out into the summer heat.

Consider perhaps a long-sleeved seersucker blouse/shirt?  The material 
provides a huge amount of surface area for evaporative cooling as you roll 
along.  The material hopefully provides some level of SPF.

Good luck!

Jeff

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:58:35 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-18 Thread Neil Doran
Definitely a fan of loose, long sleeves here in hot n dry Sacramento, CA 
area. Any of the 'sun shirts' marketed by the likes of REI do the trick for 
me, but my favorite is a 50/50 number I got at the local thrift store for 
$5. Been wearing that one for a few years now, cannot believe the quality. 
Why is it my favorite? One word: SNAPS. I just love snaps over buttons, 
especially with gloves. I wish more makers would oblige this bit of 
functionality.

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-18 Thread tuolumne bikes
Agreed on the long sleeve Merino base layers. I prefer the long sleeves to 
wearing more sunscreen, and prefer them on the slightly loose side. Wool won't 
stink, but it can build up a noticeable white salt layer on extended rides in 
extreme heat--evidence that the wicking works. Lightweight Merino tops do start 
to get faded/thread bare on the shoulders/back after about three years at which 
point I don't think they have much sun screening effect.

I have taken to wearing REI Savanna pants on the bike. They are remarkably 
light and tough, and they have bungee drawstrings sewn into the cuffs. I hike 
them up over my calves when riding and slip them down if I need to look like 
less of a goofball. Best of all, they're sized by waist/length, so I can get 
them to fit my ridiculously long legs. Buy a size up in waist if you have bike 
rider thighs.

Around here (CA Sierra) summer rides either start early or are in the high 
country.

Carl

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-18 Thread Garth


  Oh yes I do love my Glacier Gloves too Roberta !   Sun Sleeves and/or arm 
warmers/coolers are very versatile as they can be worn with any short 
sleeve shirt. You'll stay cooler with your arms/body covered than not. The 
fabric itself really isn't all that important. Everyone is drawn to what 
they like. Notice you don't see naked people running around in the Sahara 
desert ! 

  Myself I love the feel of Defeet Armskins.  They are a tubular knit, no 
seams, and feel fabulous like a seconds skin on your arms. While they are 
"supposedly" for cool weather, don't let that fool you.  They are fabulous 
in heat as they absorb perspiration and then that creates a cooling effect 
in the breeze. They comes in various colors. I prefer the thicker D-Logo 
ones to the SL,but that's just me. I always turn to logo thing to the 
inside of my wrist. 

https://defeet.com/collections/arm-warmers

Otherwise any long sleeve shirt will do. Wear something you like of course, 
not because it offers "protection" because there is no such thing. All the 
protection in the world has never protected anyone from the need for more 
protection. Rigged game. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread Robert Tilley
Riv used to sell seersucker shirts for hot weather riding. Seersucker is nice 
because the fabric suckers so only bits of it contacts your skin.

I've had over 20 skin cancers surgically removed with one being a melanoma. I 
got lots of sun early in life and it all catches up later. I try and avoid 
being out between 10 & 3 or so but if I do go out I wear spf 50 long sleeve 
shirts and knickers since they cover past my knees. I wear a wide brim hat 
rather than a helmet as well. Ex Officio is one brand of shirts I have that 
have high spf.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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The sideways pic is swell 😑

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread Joe Bernard
The sideways pic is swell 😑

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread velomann
For hot weather touring my clothing is pretty dialed in, simple, and 
inexpensive. Loose, knee length synthetic hiking shorts, preferably 
gusseted so the seam isn't up the middle, with a padded cycling liner 
underneath. Get a liner that can be worn alone if you want - I like the one 
from REI. I like Patagonia Gi shorts but there's lots of options. For a 
shirt I like a loose fitting long sleeve cotton/poly blend UV protection 
shirt with a back vent. I get them at Goodwill for about 10 bucks. Columbia 
Sportswear is a common brand but lots of others make similar items. And a 
bandana around my neck always, wetted when opportunity arises.
Last summer I did a two-week, 900 mile tour in that outfit. One shirt, one 
pair of shorts, two liners, one bandana. On-road temps occasionally at 100, 
a lot of afternoons in the upper 80s-90s. 

Mike M

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:58:35 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread 'Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch
Hi Leah,

I'm in Sacramento where we have a similar hot and dry conditions, though a 
little cooler than Vegas, I think.  

My recommendation is to get the lightest weight, 100% merino wool, long 
sleeve base layer or t-shirt you can find.  150 weight or lower, not 250.  
Get a good one that is soft, not cheap and scratchy.  Slightly loose but 
not baggy is good.  Women's often come in lighter colors, which is also 
good.  Wool is sort of a miracle fiber, it wicks and breathes better than 
any synthetic I've found, doesn't feel clammy and dries quickly, and 
doesn't even need to be washed as often as other materials.  It also 
hangs/drapes better than cotton.  Bonus is that you can also wear the same 
shirt as insulation in the winter.

I wear a long sleeve merino T or base layer as sunscreen on the bike, on 
snow, and on the water.  It can still get warm, but the wicking and 
breathability combine to beat everything else I've ever tried.  I've worn 
cotton, linen, ramie, and rayon in knits and weaves and some seersucker.  
 None of them worked as well, or looked better with sweat marks, or dried 
as fast and comfortably as light weight wool.  I actually wear merino dress 
shirts for the same reasons.

I wish I had something as useful to suggest for pants.  I still use 
sunscreen on the hands, and on the face and neck when a hat won't work.  
Sometimes I wear a buff or bandana for the neck instead.

Cheers,
Eric

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[RBW] Re: Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

2020-05-17 Thread Craig Montgomery
Greetings from the Great Southwest.

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Here you go Leah. Some good examples. I've worn Railrider stuff. Pretty 
good and some are "caped."  

https://www.railriders.com/women-outdoor-clothing-sun-protection-clothing-c-125_138.html

But I prefer 100% cotton and, yes, you should be wearing long sleeves or 
SPF arm covers. L.L. Bean has shirts are "caped" also, a slit on the back 
with a mesh lining for cooling. 

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/512894?page=womens-sun-protection

I won't suggest cycling clothing. Too tight fitting and doesn't breath 
(polyester) no matter what they tell you.  Back in the old days you could 
get cotton cycling stuff but the marketers have nixed that. We're lucky 
because a good tight weave cotton (like from L.L. Bean or Cabelas) is 
excellent in our low humidity climate. Loose fitting clothes will press 
against you then pull away from your skin pulling moisture with it, 
enhancing evaporative cooling. I like the RailRider stuff, even though it's 
oil based nylon, because it's loose fitting and very thin. Does the 
flapping thing quite well. 

And get yourself up Charleston Peak. Some fun high elevation riding. 

Craig in Tucson

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:58:35 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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