Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-31 Thread Rex Kerr
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 11:47 PM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Oh ! forgot, its a Albatross bar mounted upside down..


Ah... that was my guess, but I was looking and looking wonder what exactly
you were trying to show. :-)

I actually noticed something... after posting those two pictures I got to
looking at them and saw that the bar angle was different on the AHH than it
had been on the Schwinn.  I rotated the bar (tips down) on a ride the other
day and have been much happier and might even rotate a bit more.  I do
find, though, that I'm sliding forward on the saddle, so reach is still an
issue and I may consider something like you've done.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-31 Thread Garth
Hi Joe,
  
 What I really love about bar end levers is I can activate the brakes 
anywhere my hands are on the bar very easily, weather I'm back or forward 
on the bars, something I could never do with a standard lever. I can use 
them with just my pinkie if needed.  I have no desire to ever use standard 
mtb levers again !  The standard levers more/less limit you into one way to 
use them .. while these offer more leeway.  I think the only reason more 
people don't use it is they get used to the standard way or they prefer 
bar-end shifters. 
---

On Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:47:06 PM UTC-4, joe b. wrote:

 On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:00 PM, wrote:


 I thought of the Bosco bars for a minute, until I realised they had zero 
 forward reach, unlike the Albatross. I use bar end brake levers and thumb 
 shifters so I get TONS of room for my hands to move around.


 How do the reverse brake levers work for you, especially off pavement? 
 Neat setup. For quite a while, I ran bar end shifters with MTB levers out 
 on the front curve. I really loved all the room to roam but missed being 
 able to brake with my weight back.

 Best,
 joe broach
 portland, or



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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-29 Thread Garth

Hi Rene ,

   It's Dupont Imron #4418 Lt. Frost Green Metallic .  I like colors that 
sparkle in the sun !  
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4076/4952416848_a31bc7751d_b.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4075/4860362770_e81b8b02f2_b.jpg


On Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:58:32 PM UTC-4, René wrote:

 I think the hand position thing is highly personal. As long as you are 
 comfortable and so are your hands, different people will prefer different 
 configurations. I don't know if the Bosco has more, the same or less hand 
 positions that are usable. Some will prefer it to the Albatross and some 
 won't. I couldn't get used to the Albatross when I tried them and we'll see 
 about the Bosco in a few weeks after some recurring use.

 What color is your Bombadil? I looks beautiful.

 René



 On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Garth wrote:


 http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4073/4860392084_69e20e8533_b.jpg

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-29 Thread Garth
Sure Peter .. to each out own !  One's passion is anothers poison.  As I 
said, I've used flat portions in the middle of a wide bar on my Stumpjumper 
and found the position to be uncomfortable . And yes ..they are different 
than using a drop bar, as drop bars *DROP* from the middle to the swept 
back part, Bosco bars *RISE*. This is for ME of course.  We're just sharing 
opinions here, and there's never anything to be sorry about ! 


On Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:27:38 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 I am sorry, I have albas, totally wrapped just like yours and I only see 2 
 hand positions that are reasonable. I dont think moving my hands back or 
 forth an inch count as different positions.  And like alot of high bar 
 riders I dont worry about knee strike but that could be an issue for people 
 who for some strange reason want thier bars lower. As for the middle part, 
 I dont see how holding on there is any different for holding on to the flat 
 part of drop bars, so you have the flat part of the Bosco bars like the 
 drop bars but you have sweep back instead of drops.  I still love the Albas 
 but I think this is a straw man argument against the Bosco bars. I will put 
 them on to know for sure though, I think the 60 buck investment is worth 
 it, personally.  I will be moving the albas to my MB2 to give it a bit more 
 cruisability around town since it rairly sees a trail any more. Win Win!




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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-29 Thread René Sterental
Thanks! Very nice indeed.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi Rene ,

It's Dupont Imron #4418 Lt. Frost Green Metallic .  I like colors that
 sparkle in the sun !
 http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4076/4952416848_a31bc7751d_b.jpg
 http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4075/4860362770_e81b8b02f2_b.jpg



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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-27 Thread charlie
Here is another option not many think of and it worked nice for me but
a quill stem would have given me more of a height optionit might
really work well for you. More positions like the mustache but a reach
that is closer at the cork grip area..the curve of the bar is very
similar to a mustache feel and is your more aero stretched out
position.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1173002051446set=a.2522635871448.2142301.1419870581type=3theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1185548845108set=a.2522635871448.2142301.1419870581type=3theater

On May 22, 4:04 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Questions summarized without all of the rambling at the end, if you want to
 just jump to the meat of this long post. :-)

 When I built up my AHH I was trying to reproduce the feeling of a bike that
 I'd recently crashed that had been my favorite to date.  Unfortunately, I
 think that I overlooked some important details, that, while I knew about
 them, weren't prominent enough in my mind.  For that reason, I'm having
 difficulty getting really comfortable on the AHH, so it's time for a change.

    - On the Schwinn I had used Nashbar Mustache bars.  Wanting to recreate
    the same feeling, I did the same on the AHH.  Problem is, I'd forgotten
    that they didn't have the wider ones in stock when I built the Schwinn, so
    I bought a wider bar for the AHH, giving me a bigger bar with longer reach.

    - The AHH has a longer top-tube, by about 1 cm.

    - The Nitto stem (forget which one, it's the one they used to sell like
    the Dirt Drop, but with 25.4 mm clamp) has a slightly longer reach than the
    original stem, plus I'm not really liking the aesthetic.

 *etc*... all adding up to about 3 or 4 cm further reach, and I had already
 been stretched to my maximum comfortable position on the Schwinn [I have
 long legs relative to my torso].  The wider bars also mean that the aft
 position near the bar-end shifters doesn't raise me up much, doesn't change
 the angle of my back from the hood position, and seems to compress the area
 between my shoulders.

 *So... my questions are:*

 How many hand positions on the Albatross bar?  Are the forward positions on
 the flats and around the bends usable?

 Do you find the Albatross bars sufficient for full 100 mile century rides?

 How much shorter is the reach on the Albatross bar *vs*. the
 Nashbar mustache bar?  Or, alternatively *vs*. the Nitto version, which I
 know is different, but at least similar.

 Do you tend to install Albatross bars higher than mustache bars?  I already
 have storage problems at work [no longer able to keep it outside of my
 cube, now under the raised section of my desk] and can only spare about 1
 of additional height.

 For 
 reference:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/5934743783/in/photostreamhttp://twowheels.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/0226091728.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-27 Thread charlie
Oh ! forgot, its a Albatross bar mounted upside down..

On May 26, 11:46 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Here is another option not many think of and it worked nice for me but
 a quill stem would have given me more of a height optionit might
 really work well for you. More positions like the mustache but a reach
 that is closer at the cork grip area..the curve of the bar is very
 similar to a mustache feel and is your more aero stretched out
 position.

 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1173002051446set=a.252263587...

 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1185548845108set=a.252263587...

 On May 22, 4:04 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:







  Questions summarized without all of the rambling at the end, if you want to
  just jump to the meat of this long post. :-)

  When I built up my AHH I was trying to reproduce the feeling of a bike that
  I'd recently crashed that had been my favorite to date.  Unfortunately, I
  think that I overlooked some important details, that, while I knew about
  them, weren't prominent enough in my mind.  For that reason, I'm having
  difficulty getting really comfortable on the AHH, so it's time for a change.

     - On the Schwinn I had used Nashbar Mustache bars.  Wanting to recreate
     the same feeling, I did the same on the AHH.  Problem is, I'd forgotten
     that they didn't have the wider ones in stock when I built the Schwinn, 
  so
     I bought a wider bar for the AHH, giving me a bigger bar with longer 
  reach.

     - The AHH has a longer top-tube, by about 1 cm.

     - The Nitto stem (forget which one, it's the one they used to sell like
     the Dirt Drop, but with 25.4 mm clamp) has a slightly longer reach than 
  the
     original stem, plus I'm not really liking the aesthetic.

  *etc*... all adding up to about 3 or 4 cm further reach, and I had already
  been stretched to my maximum comfortable position on the Schwinn [I have
  long legs relative to my torso].  The wider bars also mean that the aft
  position near the bar-end shifters doesn't raise me up much, doesn't change
  the angle of my back from the hood position, and seems to compress the area
  between my shoulders.

  *So... my questions are:*

  How many hand positions on the Albatross bar?  Are the forward positions on
  the flats and around the bends usable?

  Do you find the Albatross bars sufficient for full 100 mile century rides?

  How much shorter is the reach on the Albatross bar *vs*. the
  Nashbar mustache bar?  Or, alternatively *vs*. the Nitto version, which I
  know is different, but at least similar.

  Do you tend to install Albatross bars higher than mustache bars?  I already
  have storage problems at work [no longer able to keep it outside of my
  cube, now under the raised section of my desk] and can only spare about 1
  of additional height.

  For 
  reference:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/5934743783/in/photostreamhttp://...

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-27 Thread Tony
Hi Rex,

I use mostly two positions on my Albatross:
 - regular (toodle-do, ,look at that bird!)
 - on the flats just inside the bend (I think I can, I think I can)
I have done three centuries so far - no problem, no numbness.

Sometimes coming down steep dirt roads I lock fingers around the brake
levers.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51959000@N08/sets/72157624329734105/show/

Tony

On May 22, 4:04 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
 How many hand positions on the Albatross bar?  Are the forward positions on
 the flats and around the bends usable?

 Do you find the Albatross bars sufficient for full 100 mile century rides?

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-26 Thread Garth

I thought of the Bosco bars for a minute, until I realised they had zero 
forward reach, unlike the Albatross. I use bar end brake levers and thumb 
shifters so I get TONS of room for my hands to move around. I use all that 
is taped in the photo. I don't see where people are saying the Bosco bars 
have more hand positions than an Alba bar, either set up like mine or 
traditional. Sure , you *can* put your hands in the middle of a Bosco bar . 
.  but it would be of little or zero comfort from my perspective of using 
flat portions in the middle . 

What you get of the Bosco bar is a higher potential position and not as far 
forward as the Albatross. It depends on how much reach and height you want 
. 
Compared to your Moustache bars .. the Alba are higher and less reach.  
Consider your kneesalso .. if you get the bars too swept back , there is a 
potential for knee-bar end contact. 

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-26 Thread Garth

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On Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:00:02 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-26 Thread Peter Morgano
I am sorry, I have albas, totally wrapped just like yours and I only see 2
hand positions that are reasonable. I dont think moving my hands back or
forth an inch count as different positions.  And like alot of high bar
riders I dont worry about knee strike but that could be an issue for people
who for some strange reason want thier bars lower. As for the middle part,
I dont see how holding on there is any different for holding on to the flat
part of drop bars, so you have the flat part of the Bosco bars like the
drop bars but you have sweep back instead of drops.  I still love the Albas
but I think this is a straw man argument against the Bosco bars. I will put
them on to know for sure though, I think the 60 buck investment is worth
it, personally.  I will be moving the albas to my MB2 to give it a bit more
cruisability around town since it rairly sees a trail any more. Win Win!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-26 Thread René Sterental
I think the hand position thing is highly personal. As long as you are
comfortable and so are your hands, different people will prefer different
configurations. I don't know if the Bosco has more, the same or less hand
positions that are usable. Some will prefer it to the Albatross and some
won't. I couldn't get used to the Albatross when I tried them and we'll see
about the Bosco in a few weeks after some recurring use.

What color is your Bombadil? I looks beautiful.

René



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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-26 Thread Joe Broach
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


 I thought of the Bosco bars for a minute, until I realised they had zero
 forward reach, unlike the Albatross. I use bar end brake levers and thumb
 shifters so I get TONS of room for my hands to move around.


How do the reverse brake levers work for you, especially off pavement? Neat
setup. For quite a while, I ran bar end shifters with MTB levers out on the
front curve. I really loved all the room to roam but missed being able to
brake with my weight back.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-24 Thread Jay LePree
Hi Rex,

Sorry I do not have pictures, but they bars look great.  The brake
levers feel very solid from all points (front to tips).  In fact, they
feel more powerful than the Ultegra drop bar levers that I had on the
noodles.  I wrapped them with cork tape from the end to within 2
inches of the stem.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-23 Thread Jay LePree
Hi Rex,

I have a Rambouillet.  I recently installed VO Porteur Bars with the
Guidonette brakes.  This set up is the most comfortable bar/brake
combination I have tried (including mustache bars, noodles, etc).  It
affords several hand positions, allows me to sit upright or lean over
and allows braking from all these positions.  It was one of those why
did I not do this before? moments.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-23 Thread Rex Kerr
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Jay LePree jaymlep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a Rambouillet.  I recently installed VO Porteur Bars with the
 Guidonette brakes.  This set up is the most comfortable bar/brake
 combination I have tried (including mustache bars, noodles, etc).  It
 affords several hand positions, allows me to sit upright or lean over
 and allows braking from all these positions.  It was one of those why
 did I not do this before? moments.


That's an interesting idea...   do you have any pictures of it set up?  I
do like the shorter reach without excessive rise.  Since they're fairly
flat they'd still raise me up more in the aft position than in the fore
position (unlike my current bars, which drop just enough to be nearly
equal).

How do the brake levers feel?  Any excessive play?  Do they feel like you
could snap them or twist them if braking from the tips?

Doesn't solve my how should I spend my Rivendell credits? problem, but I
guess there are worse problems to have.

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-22 Thread rcnute
The Albatross is great, good for long rides and will absolutely help
if reach is too long (because they don't extend nearly as far) or bars
are too low (because they have approx. 2cm of upsweep).

Ryan

On May 22, 4:04 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Questions summarized without all of the rambling at the end, if you want to
 just jump to the meat of this long post. :-)

 When I built up my AHH I was trying to reproduce the feeling of a bike that
 I'd recently crashed that had been my favorite to date.  Unfortunately, I
 think that I overlooked some important details, that, while I knew about
 them, weren't prominent enough in my mind.  For that reason, I'm having
 difficulty getting really comfortable on the AHH, so it's time for a change.

    - On the Schwinn I had used Nashbar Mustache bars.  Wanting to recreate
    the same feeling, I did the same on the AHH.  Problem is, I'd forgotten
    that they didn't have the wider ones in stock when I built the Schwinn, so
    I bought a wider bar for the AHH, giving me a bigger bar with longer reach.

    - The AHH has a longer top-tube, by about 1 cm.

    - The Nitto stem (forget which one, it's the one they used to sell like
    the Dirt Drop, but with 25.4 mm clamp) has a slightly longer reach than the
    original stem, plus I'm not really liking the aesthetic.

 *etc*... all adding up to about 3 or 4 cm further reach, and I had already
 been stretched to my maximum comfortable position on the Schwinn [I have
 long legs relative to my torso].  The wider bars also mean that the aft
 position near the bar-end shifters doesn't raise me up much, doesn't change
 the angle of my back from the hood position, and seems to compress the area
 between my shoulders.

 *So... my questions are:*

 How many hand positions on the Albatross bar?  Are the forward positions on
 the flats and around the bends usable?

 Do you find the Albatross bars sufficient for full 100 mile century rides?

 How much shorter is the reach on the Albatross bar *vs*. the
 Nashbar mustache bar?  Or, alternatively *vs*. the Nitto version, which I
 know is different, but at least similar.

 Do you tend to install Albatross bars higher than mustache bars?  I already
 have storage problems at work [no longer able to keep it outside of my
 cube, now under the raised section of my desk] and can only spare about 1
 of additional height.

 For 
 reference:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/5934743783/in/photostreamhttp://twowheels.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/0226091728.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-22 Thread Peter Morgano
Bosco Bars,  not as pretty but will have more positions and more rise.  I
have albas and am making the switch.
On May 22, 2012 7:07 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:

 The Albatross is great, good for long rides and will absolutely help
 if reach is too long (because they don't extend nearly as far) or bars
 are too low (because they have approx. 2cm of upsweep).

 Ryan

 On May 22, 4:04 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
  Questions summarized without all of the rambling at the end, if you want
 to
  just jump to the meat of this long post. :-)
 
  When I built up my AHH I was trying to reproduce the feeling of a bike
 that
  I'd recently crashed that had been my favorite to date.  Unfortunately, I
  think that I overlooked some important details, that, while I knew about
  them, weren't prominent enough in my mind.  For that reason, I'm having
  difficulty getting really comfortable on the AHH, so it's time for a
 change.
 
 - On the Schwinn I had used Nashbar Mustache bars.  Wanting to
 recreate
 the same feeling, I did the same on the AHH.  Problem is, I'd
 forgotten
 that they didn't have the wider ones in stock when I built the
 Schwinn, so
 I bought a wider bar for the AHH, giving me a bigger bar with longer
 reach.
 
 - The AHH has a longer top-tube, by about 1 cm.
 
 - The Nitto stem (forget which one, it's the one they used to sell
 like
 the Dirt Drop, but with 25.4 mm clamp) has a slightly longer reach
 than the
 original stem, plus I'm not really liking the aesthetic.
 
  *etc*... all adding up to about 3 or 4 cm further reach, and I had
 already
  been stretched to my maximum comfortable position on the Schwinn [I have
  long legs relative to my torso].  The wider bars also mean that the aft
  position near the bar-end shifters doesn't raise me up much, doesn't
 change
  the angle of my back from the hood position, and seems to compress the
 area
  between my shoulders.
 
  *So... my questions are:*
 
  How many hand positions on the Albatross bar?  Are the forward positions
 on
  the flats and around the bends usable?
 
  Do you find the Albatross bars sufficient for full 100 mile century
 rides?
 
  How much shorter is the reach on the Albatross bar *vs*. the
  Nashbar mustache bar?  Or, alternatively *vs*. the Nitto version, which I
  know is different, but at least similar.
 
  Do you tend to install Albatross bars higher than mustache bars?  I
 already
  have storage problems at work [no longer able to keep it outside of my
  cube, now under the raised section of my desk] and can only spare about
 1
  of additional height.
 
  For reference:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexkerr/5934743783/in/photostreamhttp://twowheels.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/0226091728.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-22 Thread Rex Kerr
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bosco Bars,  not as pretty but will have more positions and more rise.  I
 have albas and am making the switch.


I've been looking at those.  I'm not sure, though, whether I want more
rise.  I do like the wider fore-section though, as it seems that it'd still
allow a nice wide grip while down low to avoid the wind.  That said, it
seems that riding on the bend would also give a nice wide position when
stretched out.  I rode a bike with Albatross bars while at Rivendell HQ,
but don't remember how much space there was to do that.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-22 Thread Peter Morgano
Albas dont have many different positions unfortunatley. I can stretch out
on the curves but the middle is too narrow for larger sized hands like
mine. So they have maybe 3 real positions that I can reasonably use.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bosco Bars,  not as pretty but will have more positions and more rise.  I
 have albas and am making the switch.


 I've been looking at those.  I'm not sure, though, whether I want more
 rise.  I do like the wider fore-section though, as it seems that it'd still
 allow a nice wide grip while down low to avoid the wind.  That said, it
 seems that riding on the bend would also give a nice wide position when
 stretched out.  I rode a bike with Albatross bars while at Rivendell HQ,
 but don't remember how much space there was to do that.

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH

2012-05-22 Thread Mike
Rex, I think if you're looking for an uprightish kind of bar with
multiple hand positions then you should probably consider the Bosco
bars. I had Albatross bars on my commuter for a bit over a year and
really liked them. I then switched to the Surly Open Bar which I liked
more. The Surly bar also felt stiffer.

I tried Moustache bars briefly and they just weren't for me. I'd
definitely use Albatross bars over m-bars.

Grant posted pictures on the Blug a few post back of his Hilsen with
Albatross bars and I gotta say it looks really nice. I'm sure it's a
great set-up and since I still have my Albatross bars I'll probably
try that set-up myself in the fall or winter. I'm wondering how the
Bosco would feel on a Hilsen. I'm sure someone will chime in once
they're available. It seems like a nice alternative to the Albatross.

One thing about the Albatross though, I once went on a 40 or so mile
ride with them and noticed that my hands did feel a little numb. So
perhaps the Bosco is the best choice. Call the folks at RBW and talk
to them and see what they suggest.

--mike

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