[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
On Oct 14, 9:19 am, stevep33 wrote: > I've had excellent luck with the Challenge Grifo XS tires - > the low profile tread grips well and they VERY speedy when mixed > terrain returns to pavement. These feel quite cushy for 32mm tire - > worth the $$$ IMO. I run the tubular version of these for cx. sweet tire for mixed terrain - like frickin' velcro at low pressure (I run mine at about 25-30psi). rubber is very soft though - wouldn't recommend them if lots of pavement is involved. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
A low profile cyclocross tire, something not super-fat, like a 32mm works well in mixed terrain. Rather than floating over loose surface like a fat tire would, the narrow tires sink into it and give solid traction. I've had excellent luck with the Challenge Grifo XS tires - the low profile tread grips well and they VERY speedy when mixed terrain returns to pavement. These feel quite cushy for 32mm tire - worth the $$$ IMO. Ritchey Speedmax cross tires are nice for trails too but are not quite as quick on pavement. That said, smooth pedaling and good body position are at least as important are important too. On Oct 14, 8:59 am, "Scott G." wrote: > How about inverted tread tires like the late lamented Avocet Cross II ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
On Oct 13, 8:04 pm, Bob Cooper wrote: > Advice sought about riding in the gravel: lower your tire pressure! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
How about inverted tread tires like the late lamented Avocet Cross II ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
I would probably agree. Spent the last week riding mostly off paved roads with WTB Nanorapor tires 29x2.1. Those are good in most situations. Although loose gravel on top of a road surface is tricky. Have not tried the Conti T&C although numerous riders have recommended them as good on all surfaces. Have ridden Big Apple 50s on gravel. On smoother and flatter roads they work well. My bike handling skills are not to the point where I have had good luck with them on tricky ascents/descents. Then again, list member Jim Thill has raced on gravel roads with Schwalbe Kojack tires without any problems. Guess the point is - probably more the rider than the tire. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Oct 14, 6:50 am, Garth wrote: > Yeah Bob, I rode a similar road yesterday where I live. A steep ascent > of a broken patched primitive road covered in mixed rock and gravel. A > road so bad, it's the only way I know how to describe it. As I'm > pushing my way up in a 24/32 gear, just barely getting enough traction > not to fall . I'm wondering the same as you, how to get more > traction. I've also ridden up the same hill on my road bike with > 34mm tires, and it was no different. > > Once in a while I drive my F150 2WD pickup up it, with it's 255mm > tires, and it slips too on the steep part. I go the same with it as I > do riding . go slow(of course, the steep pitch takes care of > that !), but maintain a steady pace and line. > > My conclusion, the tire really doesn't matter. Picking your line, > holding it steady, and smooth pedaling does make a difference. If I > have to get off the bike for a stint, so be it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
Yeah Bob, I rode a similar road yesterday where I live. A steep ascent of a broken patched primitive road covered in mixed rock and gravel. A road so bad, it's the only way I know how to describe it. As I'm pushing my way up in a 24/32 gear, just barely getting enough traction not to fall . I'm wondering the same as you, how to get more traction. I've also ridden up the same hill on my road bike with 34mm tires, and it was no different. Once in a while I drive my F150 2WD pickup up it, with it's 255mm tires, and it slips too on the steep part. I go the same with it as I do riding . go slow(of course, the steep pitch takes care of that !), but maintain a steady pace and line. My conclusion, the tire really doesn't matter. Picking your line, holding it steady, and smooth pedaling does make a difference. If I have to get off the bike for a stint, so be it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
creek gravel is different from road gravel - I don't think there's a tire that will stay up in what are basically bearings. For gravel roads with irregular chert gravel, I like a fat tire, 35+. The fatter the better, for more float in the deep sections. If it's mostly dirt with gravel, or the gravel is very compacted, 30mm road tires will work okay. I used to ride inverted knobbies, but I don't anymore. I think they're just heavy. They're tough, though. The Ground Control is a great tire - I'd ride it. 25 psi seems low, but I'm heavy. Lowering the pressure in gravel helps me a lot. Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Oct 13, 5:04 pm, Bob Cooper wrote: > Advice sought about riding in the gravel: > > Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than > the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers > more grip. > > Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road > covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t > pick my line sagely.) > > As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at > my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect > on the conventional wisdom. > > I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed > terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about > the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for > this application. > > Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) > > Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same > psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) > > Any advice appreciated, > > Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
I dont think the ce la vie! is a good gravel tireha ha I was just riding along, and then mother earth reached up and smote me a mighty blow On Oct 13, 7:25 pm, Angus wrote: > Bob, > > I hope you are OK from the spill. > > Many of my hard learned lessons have been realized very soon after > flying over the bars, or sliding along the ground. > > IMHO, the best tire for gravel you described is probably a great big > honkin knobby tire...that will royally suck everywhere else! Even > then it is still like "surfing" over a loose surface. > > I my previous life we had a very steep, very loose hill that had about > a 50% success rate...ce la vie! > > Angus > > On Oct 13, 7:04 pm, Bob Cooper wrote: > > > Advice sought about riding in the gravel: > > > Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than > > the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers > > more grip. > > > Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road > > covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t > > pick my line sagely.) > > > As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at > > my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect > > on the conventional wisdom. > > > I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed > > terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about > > the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for > > this application. > > > Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) > > > Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same > > psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) > > > Any advice appreciated, > > > Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
Bob, I hope you are OK from the spill. Many of my hard learned lessons have been realized very soon after flying over the bars, or sliding along the ground. IMHO, the best tire for gravel you described is probably a great big honkin knobby tire...that will royally suck everywhere else! Even then it is still like "surfing" over a loose surface. I my previous life we had a very steep, very loose hill that had about a 50% success rate...ce la vie! Angus On Oct 13, 7:04 pm, Bob Cooper wrote: > Advice sought about riding in the gravel: > > Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than > the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers > more grip. > > Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road > covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t > pick my line sagely.) > > As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at > my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect > on the conventional wisdom. > > I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed > terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about > the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for > this application. > > Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) > > Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same > psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) > > Any advice appreciated, > > Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
Bob: It's good you've still got your sense of humor and can an account of your musings as you tumbled. What you describe sounds like "river run rock". It's all nice & smooth & similar sized from thousands of years of tumbling down a water course. Negotiating this stuff is like walking or riding on ball bearings. Tough at best. I doubt you'd find any tire what would perform well on this stuff. True knobbies (the big ol' honkin' square blocks) need something to grab onto, like sand, soft soil, etc. An inverted tread like the Conti T&C is a wonderful all around tire. One of my touring buds rides those precisely so he can just take off the pavement without a thought and only has to check tire pressure once in a while. Man-made gravel as used for road surfacing is crushed to size & so is fairly sharp and tends to lock together a bit. While it's a bit mushy and probably abrasive on tires, it's easier to ride than the stuff you describe. I'd stick with what you've got, accept that river run is a lousy surface and avoid if possible or walk thru if not. dougP On Oct 13, 5:04 pm, Bob Cooper wrote: > Advice sought about riding in the gravel: > > Conventional wisdom has it that, if the road surface is harder than > the tire, then knobbies are not an advantage, and a slick tire offers > more grip. > > Today I fell on a steep ascent -- about 20+ percent -- on a road > covered in creek gravel the size of robins’ eggs. (I know: I didn’t > pick my line sagely.) > > As I spun though the air, looking up at the tops of the trees and at > my feet, which were up there with the trees, I had a moment to reflect > on the conventional wisdom. > > I know that a lot of subscribers to this list do a lot of mixed > terrain riding, and I was wondering, if anyone had an opinion about > the use of knobbies versus slicks -- or inverted-tread tires -- for > this application. > > Continental Town and Country, 2.1 inch, 25 psi. (What I had today.) > > Versus, for example, Specialized Ground Control II, 1.95 inch, same > psi. (What I have in the parts bin.) > > Any advice appreciated, > > Bob “Love Those Lonely, Gravel Roads” Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Roads
Sorry to hear you took a digger. Sounds like you came out of it okay. Over the past couple of years I've ridden a fair amount of gravel. I like Panaracer T-Serves (700x35). They seem to provide some absorption on the gravel and don't seem to be too slow on the pavement. I've also used Paselas (32s and 35s), Ruffy Tuffys, JBs, and Schwalbe Marathons (37s and 41s). The Schwalbes seem to be the way to go if you're carrying a load. I haven't really used knobbies. I have a set of WTB 700x44 Mutano Raptors that I used to put on my Surly CC a few years ago. They seemed okay but they just made me want a bigger knobbie when I was in the dirt. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Thanks Steve. Appreciate that. On Jun 29, 10:54 am, "Frederick, Steve" wrote: > I have read/heard but not personally experienced that the T-serve has a > beefier, thicker tread and sidewall, and is thus is more durable but less > pleasant to ride. In short, more of an urban/commuter tire. > > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI > > > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Beardpapa > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:05 PM > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel > > Any difference between Pasela's and T > -serv's. Thinking of getting T-serv's in 35. Anyone have experience > with both? > > MichaelH wrote: > > My daily commute includes ten miles of dirt roads, with three > > significant downhills. I have found that the Pasella 32s do better > > than Ruffy Tuffys on dirt. My wife uses the 35s. In winter and > > spring I use a 37 mm Avocet Cross Tire which works great. > > > Downhill on dirt requires a different technique than on pavement. On > > pavement I get a good grip on the center of the bars, one knee against > > the top tube and tuck my head down to build speed and minimize the > > possibility of front end shimmy. But that doesn't work on dirt. > > Instead, set your feet at 3 & 9:00 o'clock, lift your touche of the > > seat but keep your knees flexible. Don't hold onto the bars, but > > instead keep them lightly hooked over the outside of the brake levers. > > Relax. If done right, very little of the bounce will get transferred > > to your body. > > > Michael > > > On Jun 27, 8:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > > wrote: > > > I've done a fair bit of Minnesota/Wisconsin bluff-country gravel on my > > > Marathon Supremes (26x2.0). They offer plenty of traction, and I > > > always felt confident even on fast descents. A friend did the great > > > divide on Marathon XR 700x50, and thought they were ok, but on the > > > heavy side. > > > > On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS wrote: > > > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > > > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > > > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > > > > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > > > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > > > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > > > > GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
I have read/heard but not personally experienced that the T-serve has a beefier, thicker tread and sidewall, and is thus is more durable but less pleasant to ride. In short, more of an urban/commuter tire. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Beardpapa Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:05 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Any difference between Pasela's and T -serv's. Thinking of getting T-serv's in 35. Anyone have experience with both? MichaelH wrote: > My daily commute includes ten miles of dirt roads, with three > significant downhills. I have found that the Pasella 32s do better > than Ruffy Tuffys on dirt. My wife uses the 35s. In winter and > spring I use a 37 mm Avocet Cross Tire which works great. > > Downhill on dirt requires a different technique than on pavement. On > pavement I get a good grip on the center of the bars, one knee against > the top tube and tuck my head down to build speed and minimize the > possibility of front end shimmy. But that doesn't work on dirt. > Instead, set your feet at 3 & 9:00 o'clock, lift your touche of the > seat but keep your knees flexible. Don't hold onto the bars, but > instead keep them lightly hooked over the outside of the brake levers. > Relax. If done right, very little of the bounce will get transferred > to your body. > > Michael > > On Jun 27, 8:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > wrote: > > I've done a fair bit of Minnesota/Wisconsin bluff-country gravel on my > > Marathon Supremes (26x2.0). They offer plenty of traction, and I > > always felt confident even on fast descents. A friend did the great > > divide on Marathon XR 700x50, and thought they were ok, but on the > > heavy side. > > > > On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > > > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > > > GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Any difference between Pasela's and T -serv's. Thinking of getting T-serv's in 35. Anyone have experience with both? MichaelH wrote: > My daily commute includes ten miles of dirt roads, with three > significant downhills. I have found that the Pasella 32s do better > than Ruffy Tuffys on dirt. My wife uses the 35s. In winter and > spring I use a 37 mm Avocet Cross Tire which works great. > > Downhill on dirt requires a different technique than on pavement. On > pavement I get a good grip on the center of the bars, one knee against > the top tube and tuck my head down to build speed and minimize the > possibility of front end shimmy. But that doesn't work on dirt. > Instead, set your feet at 3 & 9:00 o'clock, lift your touche of the > seat but keep your knees flexible. Don't hold onto the bars, but > instead keep them lightly hooked over the outside of the brake levers. > Relax. If done right, very little of the bounce will get transferred > to your body. > > Michael > > On Jun 27, 8:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > wrote: > > I've done a fair bit of Minnesota/Wisconsin bluff-country gravel on my > > Marathon Supremes (26x2.0). They offer plenty of traction, and I > > always felt confident even on fast descents. A friend did the great > > divide on Marathon XR 700x50, and thought they were ok, but on the > > heavy side. > > > > On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > > > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > > > GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
My daily commute includes ten miles of dirt roads, with three significant downhills. I have found that the Pasella 32s do better than Ruffy Tuffys on dirt. My wife uses the 35s. In winter and spring I use a 37 mm Avocet Cross Tire which works great. Downhill on dirt requires a different technique than on pavement. On pavement I get a good grip on the center of the bars, one knee against the top tube and tuck my head down to build speed and minimize the possibility of front end shimmy. But that doesn't work on dirt. Instead, set your feet at 3 & 9:00 o'clock, lift your touche of the seat but keep your knees flexible. Don't hold onto the bars, but instead keep them lightly hooked over the outside of the brake levers. Relax. If done right, very little of the bounce will get transferred to your body. Michael On Jun 27, 8:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > I've done a fair bit of Minnesota/Wisconsin bluff-country gravel on my > Marathon Supremes (26x2.0). They offer plenty of traction, and I > always felt confident even on fast descents. A friend did the great > divide on Marathon XR 700x50, and thought they were ok, but on the > heavy side. > > On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS wrote: > > > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > > GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
I did a multi-day tour with Marathon XRs last year. They were overkill for the moderately rough conditions I was riding. I think those tires are more for real expedition touring in back roads South America or Africa. I'm using 32 Supremes on my commuter now and imagine the 26x2.0 would be a real good choice. Supremes roll real well and are surprisingly light for how tough they are. On Jun 27, 7:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > I've done a fair bit of Minnesota/Wisconsin bluff-country gravel on my > Marathon Supremes (26x2.0). They offer plenty of traction, and I > always felt confident even on fast descents. A friend did the great > divide on Marathon XR 700x50, and thought they were ok, but on the > heavy side. > > On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS wrote: > > > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > > GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
I've done a fair bit of Minnesota/Wisconsin bluff-country gravel on my Marathon Supremes (26x2.0). They offer plenty of traction, and I always felt confident even on fast descents. A friend did the great divide on Marathon XR 700x50, and thought they were ok, but on the heavy side. On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS wrote: > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Yet another vote for Paselas. I've used 35s and 32s off road without problems. I've used Jack Brown Blues also. Ruffy Tuffys were a little too small for me but still worked well. I imagine at some point I'll try some Marathons, maybe before the summer is out. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Using the Fatty Rumpkins w/ enjoyment on gravel lately, 45-50 in the front, 50 in the back. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Many of the rails to trails paths in Illinois are crushed limestone. I find 50 BAs an excellent choice. I have never had the pleasure of riding in back road Vermont. It seems a BA would definitely be a comfortable choice. BA's add some weight, obviously. But they roll well on pavement. They are a good all round tire. On Jun 26, 9:18 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I'm > curious at the number of recommendations for tires in the 32 to 35 mm > range in this thread. Most of the gravel I've ridden > -- and it's not much; my off pavement is usually sand or hardpack > -- on is far too loose and thick for tires like that, and Big Apples > would be better. But there is a huge difference between even 50 mm BAs > and 32 mm Paselas. I > suppose there is gravel and then there's gravel? I was just reading a > history of the early modern age, and read, again, that Britain had the > world's best roads in the late 18th and early 19th century, and that the > secret apparently was, no piece of stone more than an inch in any dimension. > That said, 65 actual mm Big Apples will roll over anything. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
I agree with Jim/Steve- if you're "bouncing" around and the handling feels skittish, you might considering experimenting with psi. on dirt, 50 psi makes things much more comfortable. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
I'm curious at the number of recommendations for tires in the 32 to 35 mm range in this thread. Most of the gravel I've ridden -- and it's not much; my off pavement is usually sand or hardpack -- on is far too loose and thick for tires like that, and Big Apples would be better. But there is a huge difference between even 50 mm BAs and 32 mm Paselas. I suppose there is gravel and then there's gravel? I was just reading a history of the early modern age, and read, again, that Britain had the world's best roads in the late 18th and early 19th century, and that the secret apparently was, no piece of stone more than an inch in any dimension. That said, 65 actual mm Big Apples will roll over anything. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
If you have clearance, Schwalbe Big Apples. On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS wrote: > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Yep, Pasela 35 or 37 are fine on gravel, but the sidewalls are a touch delicate. Marathons might be a better choice for lots and lots of gravel, especially if it's sharp like crushed cinder (railroad bed type) rock. Cheers, DE On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:30 PM, EricP wrote: > > Another vote for Pasela tires. Like Ken they work well for me. I > keep the pressure higher Mainly due to my weight. At 50 or so, I > risk pinch flats. I'm also more used to the slightly skittish feeling > with higher pressure. > > I've ridden regular Schwalbe Marathon tires on dirt. And they work. > Big caveats follow - they were on a Brompton and the dirt was the C&O > Canal Trail on the Georgetown end. > > Eric Platt > > On Jun 25, 5:07�pm, Ken Yokanovich > wrote: > > I have an affinity for riding gravel. Logged quite a few miles on > > Pasela TG 700x35's, Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 700x42, and the Jack > > Brown greens. �The Pasela's in the range of 50-60psi are my > > favorites. �I seldom really pay much attention to tire pressure. �The > > Marathon Supremes never lived up to my hopes for a bigger version of > > the Paselas. �Despite their comparatively narrow width, the Jack > > Browns handle wonderfully on gravel. > > > > Having logged hundreds of miles on crushed limestone, I find that > > conditions vary. �Traction is seldom an issue, certainly not enough to > > justify entertaining any thoughts about using a tire with any tread > > design. �Mostly, gravel roads are lightly traveled and it's plenty > > safe to ride in the one of the 3 tread lines that seem to develop. �(3 > > because it seems everyone driving on gravel tends to hug a bit of the > > "center line" and the middle of the road gets shared by both > > "lanes") > > > > I would think that it would depend upon where you are in Vermont as to > > what kind of gravel conditions you might find. �There seemed to be a > > lot of different type of rock used for road construction material. > > > > On Jun 25, 4:47�pm, GeorgeS wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > > in the summer. �Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > > descents in particular very unpleasant. �Lots of bouncing around and > > > skittishness. �One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. �I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. �Are > > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > > the bank? �Jack Browns? �Fatty somethings? > > > GeorgeS- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
I have been using 38mm Maxxis Overdrive tires on my touring bike for several years. Bought them to ride the sandy/gravel roads of the UP. They do well on gravel and no flats ever. They do not however provide a soft ride. After reading many opinions think I will try some Paselas non TG. Steve Hemmelgarn --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Steve Palincsar wrote: > From: Steve Palincsar > Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 8:34 PM > > On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 17:26 -0700, Bruce wrote: > > CdVs at about 50 psi? > > > > In other words, you are suggesting a 650B conversion? > In that case, why > not go all the way: Hetres. 42mm of pure gravel road > bliss! > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
on 6/25/09 2:47 PM, GeorgeS at chobur...@gmail.com wrote: > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? Jack Brown Greens have become my favorite tire. On my commute home, I can loop out and pick up some singletrack, which is typical mid-Cal trail conditions with smooth dirt with bumps and fist sized rocks embedded in the surface. Plus, they've done very well on the network of fire roads, which are semi-graded dirt surfaces. Before those existed, I was pretty happy with 32 mm Paselas. If I need a little gription, I'll run a 35 mm cross (treaded for cyclocross) tire. They all end up with a fair bit of deflection when I press my thumb directly in from the tread (not pinching the sidewalls). However, I'd say that if you are "bouncing around", you might want to experiment a little bit with pressures. That's usually an indicator that the pressure you are running is not letting the suspension (tires) do its thing. I'm not sure what the size of the GB tires is (RT's are 28's, right?). Running 28 mm tires a bit softer tended to generate a fair number of pinch flats for me. For my riding style, size and conditions, 32 - 35 seems to be a good place. hope that helps, - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Three T-shirts Now Available: "I've Got Downtube Shifters..." S/S T-shirt Cyclocross - "More Cowbell" L/S T-shirt "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirt http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff SHIPPING FOR FREE IN THE CONUS through July! Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Does TG really make a difference? I'll say no. The TG adds weight but in my experience doesn't do anything for added flat protection. YMMV. I'm fine with the basic Pasela, currently running 35's on my tour bike, 50-60 PSI with a full load on gravel roads. Phil Roberts Chandler, AZ On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Esteban wrote: > > Jack Brown blues have taken me over gravel and more comfortably. > > I remember reading somewhere from JimG that 35mm Paselas w/o Tourguard > approximated the cush of 650B pretty well. I wonder if the TG really > makes a difference? > > On Jun 25, 3:29 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 14:47 -0700, GeorgeS wrote: > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > > > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > > > > 37mm Paselas? They're about the same width as the Col de la Vie in > > 650B, and that's very pleasant on gravel. A goal should be to keep > > inflation pressure down to 50 psi or even less. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 17:26 -0700, Bruce wrote: > CdVs at about 50 psi? > In other words, you are suggesting a 650B conversion? In that case, why not go all the way: Hetres. 42mm of pure gravel road bliss! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Another vote for Pasela tires. Like Ken they work well for me. I keep the pressure higher Mainly due to my weight. At 50 or so, I risk pinch flats. I'm also more used to the slightly skittish feeling with higher pressure. I've ridden regular Schwalbe Marathon tires on dirt. And they work. Big caveats follow - they were on a Brompton and the dirt was the C&O Canal Trail on the Georgetown end. Eric Platt On Jun 25, 5:07�pm, Ken Yokanovich wrote: > I have an affinity for riding gravel. Logged quite a few miles on > Pasela TG 700x35's, Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 700x42, and the Jack > Brown greens. �The Pasela's in the range of 50-60psi are my > favorites. �I seldom really pay much attention to tire pressure. �The > Marathon Supremes never lived up to my hopes for a bigger version of > the Paselas. �Despite their comparatively narrow width, the Jack > Browns handle wonderfully on gravel. > > Having logged hundreds of miles on crushed limestone, I find that > conditions vary. �Traction is seldom an issue, certainly not enough to > justify entertaining any thoughts about using a tire with any tread > design. �Mostly, gravel roads are lightly traveled and it's plenty > safe to ride in the one of the 3 tread lines that seem to develop. �(3 > because it seems everyone driving on gravel tends to hug a bit of the > "center line" and the middle of the road gets shared by both > "lanes") > > I would think that it would depend upon where you are in Vermont as to > what kind of gravel conditions you might find. �There seemed to be a > lot of different type of rock used for road construction material. > > On Jun 25, 4:47�pm, GeorgeS wrote: > > > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > in the summer. �Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > descents in particular very unpleasant. �Lots of bouncing around and > > skittishness. �One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. �I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. �Are > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > the bank? �Jack Browns? �Fatty somethings? > > GeorgeS- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
CdVs at about 50 psi? From: GeorgeS Subject: [RBW] Tires for Gravel Are there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Haven't got a lot to compare to in the wider widths, but my new Marathon Supreme 42s are great on gravel on the Sam Hillborne. Karl On Jun 25, 3:57 pm, Esteban wrote: > Jack Brown blues have taken me over gravel and more comfortably. > > I remember reading somewhere from JimG that 35mm Paselas w/o Tourguard > approximated the cush of 650B pretty well. I wonder if the TG really > makes a difference? > > On Jun 25, 3:29 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 14:47 -0700, GeorgeS wrote: > > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > > > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > > > 37mm Paselas? They're about the same width as the Col de la Vie in > > 650B, and that's very pleasant on gravel. A goal should be to keep > > inflation pressure down to 50 psi or even less. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Jack Brown blues have taken me over gravel and more comfortably. I remember reading somewhere from JimG that 35mm Paselas w/o Tourguard approximated the cush of 650B pretty well. I wonder if the TG really makes a difference? On Jun 25, 3:29 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 14:47 -0700, GeorgeS wrote: > > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > > 37mm Paselas? They're about the same width as the Col de la Vie in > 650B, and that's very pleasant on gravel. A goal should be to keep > inflation pressure down to 50 psi or even less. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 14:47 -0700, GeorgeS wrote: > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? 37mm Paselas? They're about the same width as the Col de la Vie in 650B, and that's very pleasant on gravel. A goal should be to keep inflation pressure down to 50 psi or even less. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
I have an affinity for riding gravel. Logged quite a few miles on Pasela TG 700x35's, Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 700x42, and the Jack Brown greens. The Pasela's in the range of 50-60psi are my favorites. I seldom really pay much attention to tire pressure. The Marathon Supremes never lived up to my hopes for a bigger version of the Paselas. Despite their comparatively narrow width, the Jack Browns handle wonderfully on gravel. Having logged hundreds of miles on crushed limestone, I find that conditions vary. Traction is seldom an issue, certainly not enough to justify entertaining any thoughts about using a tire with any tread design. Mostly, gravel roads are lightly traveled and it's plenty safe to ride in the one of the 3 tread lines that seem to develop. (3 because it seems everyone driving on gravel tends to hug a bit of the "center line" and the middle of the road gets shared by both "lanes") I would think that it would depend upon where you are in Vermont as to what kind of gravel conditions you might find. There seemed to be a lot of different type of rock used for road construction material. On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS wrote: > I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont > in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find > descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and > skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other > has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are > there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break > the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? > GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
