[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
When I was travelling a lot for work about 20 years ago, I bought myself a 2nd hand Air Friday, and took it on a large number of business trips. It came with it's own medium size hard shell suitcase into which it packed for transport. Unpacking and assembling it from the suitcase took 10-15 minutes, packing about five minutes longer. It rode pretty much like a normal bike - the longest ride I can remember taking it on was about 160km from Lyon to Aix-Les-Bains (caught the train back to Lyon). With the saddle cantilevered at the end of a titanium suspension beam, the ride was actually more comfortable than on a standard frame, in spite of the small wheels and skinny tyres, and I never really noticed any bounce from sitting at the end of the beam. As well as complete disassembly, it also had a pivot at the bottom bracket that allowed the frame to fold in half in about 30 seconds to get it into a car boot. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a627cfef-7e3a-4fe1-95b1-e2375a69aac0o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
or Dahon Allegro: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dahon-allegro-breakaway-folding-bike-194833770 On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote: > > I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our > intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British > Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so > I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive > marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy. > > It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to > 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and > detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, > avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, > fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy > performance. > > While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes > and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel > bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something > bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, > especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards > designs that utilize a Rohloff hub. > > Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do > within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a > consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an > extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.) > > Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope! > > Jay Lonner > Bellingham, WA > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8ec11f77-df01-4450-b225-a160cf833995o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Dahon Tournado info: https://www.adventurecycling.org/sites/default/assets/resources/200806_Cyclesense_Schubert.pdf On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote: > > I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our > intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British > Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so > I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive > marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy. > > It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to > 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and > detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, > avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, > fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy > performance. > > While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes > and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel > bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something > bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, > especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards > designs that utilize a Rohloff hub. > > Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do > within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a > consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an > extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.) > > Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope! > > Jay Lonner > Bellingham, WA > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f9644d5b-9373-4059-a4e7-d501ec9c6b1co%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Jay, they are on ebay, Steve On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:52 PM Jay Lonner wrote: > Ryan, thanks for the heads up - not sure what bikes you’re referring to > though. Are these on eBay or Craigslist or ...? > > Jay Lonner > Bellingham, WA > > Sent from my Atari 400 > > > On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:41 AM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > Jay, > > > > There are two really nice slightly used NWT Bike Friday’s with Rohloff > hubs (2 previous European Tours). One large one Small, designed for 6’2” > male rider and a 5’3” female rider. > > > > Possibly the seller could give your relevant info about your travel > desires as well. > > > > Could Buy both Now for $5000 plus $80 shipping each. > > Almost $1 of bikes with most of the modifications you would want. > > > > I agree frequently making modifications can eat up the cost difference > from going new but in this case either your new bikes will depreciate > significantly for you or you could essentially try these with little > additional depreciation. > > > > If you each are within 2-4 inches of the original owners I would believe > you could dial these in based on my experience getting a Bike Friday > modified easily for me at 6’7”. > > > > Just a option. I would offer the seller $4000 for both and you might > have 2 bikes for the price of less than one . > > > > Sincerely, > > Ryan Hankinson > > West Michigan > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f6043138-ba00-4d2b-9be3-60edc68dd7a5o%40googlegroups.com > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/AB3F8756-DDCB-41D9-8391-BA58EB69CAF8%40gmail.com > . > -- Steven Sweedler Plymouth, New Hampshire -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALimyf%2B74cv6nKx-v0aEWPQ338_N%2Bzw-n6p_Uzr4e%2B9Z9KkwSA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes
I have a Dahon Tournado, bought off CL locally. It’s the only one I’ve ever seen, clearly made by Richey. It’s a very comfortable real, regular bike that gets frequent use around town. Just so happens you can take the frame apartI’ve traveled with it 3-4 times and never paid for oversized or bike fees (what’s in it? Bike parts for display). I would buy a Breakaway in a heartbeat if something happened to this one. Does anyone have any more information about this Dahon? Thanks Alan nyc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e757d072-ebe6-434c-b273-0452e25dfa72o%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Ryan, thanks for the heads up - not sure what bikes you’re referring to though. Are these on eBay or Craigslist or ...? Jay Lonner Bellingham, WA Sent from my Atari 400 > On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:41 AM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > Jay, > > There are two really nice slightly used NWT Bike Friday’s with Rohloff hubs > (2 previous European Tours). One large one Small, designed for 6’2” male > rider and a 5’3” female rider. > > Possibly the seller could give your relevant info about your travel desires > as well. > > Could Buy both Now for $5000 plus $80 shipping each. > Almost $1 of bikes with most of the modifications you would want. > > I agree frequently making modifications can eat up the cost difference from > going new but in this case either your new bikes will depreciate > significantly for you or you could essentially try these with little > additional depreciation. > > If you each are within 2-4 inches of the original owners I would believe you > could dial these in based on my experience getting a Bike Friday modified > easily for me at 6’7”. > > Just a option. I would offer the seller $4000 for both and you might have 2 > bikes for the price of less than one . > > Sincerely, > Ryan Hankinson > West Michigan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f6043138-ba00-4d2b-9be3-60edc68dd7a5o%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/AB3F8756-DDCB-41D9-8391-BA58EB69CAF8%40gmail.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Jay, There are two really nice slightly used NWT Bike Friday’s with Rohloff hubs (2 previous European Tours). One large one Small, designed for 6’2” male rider and a 5’3” female rider. Possibly the seller could give your relevant info about your travel desires as well. Could Buy both Now for $5000 plus $80 shipping each. Almost $1 of bikes with most of the modifications you would want. I agree frequently making modifications can eat up the cost difference from going new but in this case either your new bikes will depreciate significantly for you or you could essentially try these with little additional depreciation. If you each are within 2-4 inches of the original owners I would believe you could dial these in based on my experience getting a Bike Friday modified easily for me at 6’7”. Just a option. I would offer the seller $4000 for both and you might have 2 bikes for the price of less than one . Sincerely, Ryan Hankinson West Michigan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f6043138-ba00-4d2b-9be3-60edc68dd7a5o%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes
The frames themselves are sized. The length of the maintube, seatmast, and stem riser are all custom specified. Things like Rohloff dropouts and special cable guides and braze-ons can be specified as well. These steps involve real conversations with real people, not just filling out a form on a website. Especially now with global disruptions to the supply chains & various businesses being temporarily (and in some cases permanently) closed, actual conversations are needed to accurately figure out what can and can't be done and in what time frame. If you want a Rivendell or a Bike Friday or any other bike with any degree of customization, call up and talk to a human. Kent Peterson Eugene, OR USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/32ce22ee-c79b-4f98-9ea6-cb791569d5b8o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
They did a cosmetic attempt recently with a sand/orange color scheme, a nifty front bag and spares you can take along on your big Brompton expedition, but it was the same 6-speed M or H model. It looked cool! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fb81a1a1-d016-4c36-a81b-363225f0ca32o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
I keep hoping brompton is gonna get a model out that capitalizes on the gravel wave before it dies down. The brompton fold is pretty amazing. I feel like it wouldn’t be super hard to get us more tire clearance or to release a 20” model. Wishful thinking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/591d6afb-a83a-4987-a5bf-0bb92b07d8aeo%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Thanks for taking the time to do this and report back. I love the picture of the Brompton, BF, and Atlantis lined up next to one another! I'm increasingly leaning toward BF as being the best all-around compromise for my needs. The quick fold option seems just fine for throwing in the back of a car or stowing belowdecks on a boat cruise. The more extensive breakdown is workable for infrequent overseas travel. Your friend's bikes are tempting, but over the years I've spent a lot of money trying to save a buck buying used gear. When I factor in the costs of retrofitting my preferred components/gearing I suspect that I'll be better off just ordering new. Part of this has to do with how custom the bikes truly are though - on their ordering page BF gives the impression that their frames are custom built to your unique dimensions and specifications. Now if their idea of custom sizing is using an off-the-rack frame and swapping in seatposts and stems to suit then I may have to revisit this idea. Kent, perhaps you could weigh in here? I find myself with a free week of vacation this August due to other plans falling through thanks to Covid. I am thinking of setting up an appointment and driving to Eugene for a personalized consultation and fitting. Good idea or overkill do you think? I just noticed that BF is offering a 20% discount for frames delivered this fall, so if I can get in on that I may just go for it. Jay Lonner Bellingham, WA On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:24 AM Julian Westerhout wrote: > Jay, this thread got me interested in doing a comparison. I own a > Brompton, and have a good friend with a Bike Friday NWT. I asked him if i > could borrow the BF for a few extended test rides and comparison -- he said > sure. > > I've now done a few short rides on the BF, and think it rides well -- > perhaps a bit more responsive than my Brompton, but pretty comparable. > > I then compared the relative fit of both to my 68 cm Atlantis (I'm on the > outer edge of small folder fit) -- I was surprised to note that the seat, > feet, and hands positions are all fairly close for my setups. > > The BF and Brompton are a very small amount shorter than the Atlantis in > saddle to bar distance, although both could be tweaked a little. I will > note that for me both the Brompton and BF fit and ride far better than > other folders I've tried (DaHon, etc.) -- I think in in large part because > they are not too far off "regular" bike fit on the three contact points. > YMMV. > > I've attached a photo that sort of shows the comparison. > > IMHO, the Brompton is amazing for quick, compact folds -- so if folding is > something you'd do a time or two a day it's the way to go. The BF is very > nicely made, and seems to be a very nice machine. > > FWIW, my friend has this one (a large) and a smaller (medium) blue one, > both in pristine condition with cases, and I think he's possibly ready to > move them along (they no longer do bike travel) -- if anyone has interest I > can enquire and post more on them. > > Regards, > > Julian Westerhout > Bloomington, IL > > > On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:41:28 PM UTC-5, Jay Lonner wrote: >> >> I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our >> intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British >> Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so >> I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive >> marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy. >> >> It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers >> to 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents >> and detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, >> avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, >> fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy >> performance. >> >> While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim >> brakes and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed >> travel bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something >> bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, >> especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards >> designs that utilize a Rohloff hub. >> >> Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do >> within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a >> consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an >> extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.) >> >> Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope! >> >> Jay Lonner >> Bellingham, WA >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
"...while for Joe, it seems foldability is more important." Yes, and I started at the OP wanting a travel bike he could occasionally toss (two of them) into a dinghy. That sounds like "compact and easy to fold" to me, but everyone has their own tolerance of how big and complex a fold can be. After owning a dozen (at least) different folders my tolerance is smallest/easiest! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1133e914-c675-4998-955a-9a4b2dbecf6do%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Julian, That sort of confirms my suspicion. Six speeds wouldn’t do it for me. I want range and smallish steps which is why all my bikes are 3x. 1x doesn’t interest me, 2x I hate. In the end I can play with my BF gearing just as much as any of my other bikes and so it can always sub in. For me, it is that versatility that is most important, while for Joe, it seems foldability is more important. The joys of having choices! Bill S I can get this guy down into the teens: [image: 393A0E84-8EAD-4910-AB4E-932F36C118B8.jpeg] On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:01:34 PM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote: > > Bill, > > I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is > available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21 > gears, with widely varying ratios., > > In my case I have a 6-speed Brompton (3-speed internal plus a 2 speed > freewheel), my friend's BF has 18 gears (3 speed internal plus a 9 speed > cassette). I've not checked the actual gear inch range of both, but my seat > of the pants feeling is that the overall range is similar, but with bigger > jumps between gears on the Brompton, and that both have pretty wide range > gearing suitable for most types of terrain one would likely encounter -- > similar to what i'd regard as a well set up "regular" bike. > > It is of course possible to get either with very different gearing, so... > > Julian Westerhout > Bloomington, IL > > > > > > On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote: >> >> Julian, >> Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF? The only folder >> I’ve ever ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” >> bikes. I’ve been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders >> don’t have that capability. As far as folding and unfolding, I have no >> comparisons to make but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my >> BF every day when I used it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy >> enough that it didn’t discourage use. I believe mine even required an >> additional step from the normal process. Now, if I were to go out and try >> to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit but if one is doing it >> regularly, it really isn’t any big deal. >> >> Bill S > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e94ba4b8-8d83-47a4-b2cb-f9167e95df46o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
In my relatively short tests I was surprised how similar both the Brompton and BF felt to me -- the smaller wheel and narrower tire on the Brompton gave a bit more bumpiness, but the elastomer rear end on the Brompton smoothed that out. I was expecting a bigger =difference -- but at least in my case i found both a pleasure to ride and neither of them created any "geez, what am I doing" moments. If you are a large fellow like me you will look like a curcus bear on ewither one -- but that's not bad -- both bikes drew equally large numbers of smiles and friendly comments from folks on the MUT. I cannot comment of 40+ mile rides loaded on either, but I'd imagine I'd be good on either one. For me the difference would probably come down to how often i'd want to fold it and how quickly -- if the fold is key the Brompton is hard to beat. Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > But of course - circling back to the OP - Brompton is a great folder that > rides. Bike Friday is a better bike for long distance that can also be > folded and packed. I'm not doing 40 miles on my Brompton, and probably not > 10. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4a59f95c-50b6-4ad1-81a3-f10ee3c924e3o%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes
The standard 6 speed Brompton has a gear range of 33 - 100 gear inches so just above a 300% range. The -12% runs 29 - 88 gear inches. I have one of each of those currently.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device From: westerh...@gmail.comSent: June 21, 2020 4:01 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes Bill, I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21 gears, with widely varying ratios., In my case I have a 6-speed Brompton (3-speed internal plus a 2 speed freewheel), my friend's BF has 18 gears (3 speed internal plus a 9 speed cassette). I've not checked the actual gear inch range of both, but my seat of the pants feeling is that the overall range is similar, but with bigger jumps between gears on the Brompton, and that both have pretty wide range gearing suitable for most types of terrain one would likely encounter -- similar to what i'd regard as a well set up "regular" bike. It is of course possible to get either with very different gearing, so...Julian WesterhoutBloomington, IL On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:Julian, Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF? The only folder I’ve ever ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” bikes. I’ve been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders don’t have that capability. As far as folding and unfolding, I have no comparisons to make but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my BF every day when I used it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy enough that it didn’t discourage use. I believe mine even required an additional step from the normal process. Now, if I were to go out and try to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit but if one is doing it regularly, it really isn’t any big deal. Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cdcc2e48-844d-408c-a35c-48d80ccb74dao%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/jno5391tkq3btbgcrs5f5ao3.1592780850939%40gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Bill, I think that depends upon how you have both bikes set up. The Brompton is available with 1to 6 gears, and i think the BF is available with 1 to 21 gears, with widely varying ratios., In my case I have a 6-speed Brompton (3-speed internal plus a 2 speed freewheel), my friend's BF has 18 gears (3 speed internal plus a 9 speed cassette). I've not checked the actual gear inch range of both, but my seat of the pants feeling is that the overall range is similar, but with bigger jumps between gears on the Brompton, and that both have pretty wide range gearing suitable for most types of terrain one would likely encounter -- similar to what i'd regard as a well set up "regular" bike. It is of course possible to get either with very different gearing, so... Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote: > > Julian, > Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF? The only folder I’ve > ever ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” > bikes. I’ve been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders > don’t have that capability. As far as folding and unfolding, I have no > comparisons to make but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my > BF every day when I used it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy > enough that it didn’t discourage use. I believe mine even required an > additional step from the normal process. Now, if I were to go out and try > to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit but if one is doing it > regularly, it really isn’t any big deal. > > Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cdcc2e48-844d-408c-a35c-48d80ccb74dao%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
There it is! I don't know if GP had any hand in the geometry but the high bars and component list are certainly mid-'00s Riv Country Bike stuff, which still wasn't a widespread thing back then. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5399f501-5eef-4226-91a4-4c64ad3950e0o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
the Dahon Tournado was rumored to have had input from Grant: https://www.fawkes-cycles.co.uk/1547710/products/dahon-tournado-700c-bike.aspx On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote: > > I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our > intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British > Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so > I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive > marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy. > > It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to > 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and > detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, > avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, > fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy > performance. > > While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes > and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel > bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something > bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, > especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards > designs that utilize a Rohloff hub. > > Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do > within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a > consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an > extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.) > > Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope! > > Jay Lonner > Bellingham, WA > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/256b993a-a1a4-4661-8ed0-055e82d2aad1o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
But of course - circling back to the OP - Brompton is a great folder that rides. Bike Friday is a better bike for long distance that can also be folded and packed. I'm not doing 40 miles on my Brompton, and probably not 10. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5897c932-2bd3-45f0-99fd-cdbb02c65cdeo%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
What I found fiddly to the point of unlivable with my NWT (derailer model) when folding was it was a project to keep the chain on, and the stem/mast just popped off and you rested it on the bike. Brompton folds efficiently and startlingly small into one easy-carry package. I wouldn't claim - and don't know the numbers - that a 6-speed Brommie has the full gear range of a BF triple, but it's a pretty wide range. My Brom has a smaller than standard chainring to climb my hill and the top gear is still taller than I usually ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5f0d6797-4f80-48e9-91bd-1562c0b2a128o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Julian, Do the Bromptons have the same gear range as the BF? The only folder I’ve ever ridden is my BF NWT with gearing range comparable to my “regular” bikes. I’ve been under the impression, possibly false, that most folders don’t have that capability. As far as folding and unfolding, I have no comparisons to make but, as I mentioned earlier, I folded and unfolded my BF every day when I used it for a commuter, which is to say it was easy enough that it didn’t discourage use. I believe mine even required an additional step from the normal process. Now, if I were to go out and try to fold mine now, I would fumble around a bit but if one is doing it regularly, it really isn’t any big deal. Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6521ee21-bed6-4ad6-b54b-cc2ed3bd0d6do%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
I don't remember that, Joe. Not saying it didn't happen; I just don't have a memory of it. The only bike I recall Grant having direct input on was the SOMA San Marcos, which we sold at RBW. He did give some advice to XtraCycle about head-tube angles early on, as I recall. Don't quote me on that, though. John On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 4:19:48 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > John, didn't that turn into a Dahon project? I vaguely recall a Breakaway > road bike from them that was referenced as having some design influence > from Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/63820c67-9b51-4b4b-81e9-36d239aeb612o%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Follow up question - when flying with a bike of any sort there’s the question of what to do with the case. I know that BF offers a trailer conversion but I prefer panniers. People also talk about shipping the empty case to your destination, or even using a cardboard box that you dispose of upon arrival, and scrounging up a new one prior to departure. Is using a minimalist soft case (like a rinko bag) in checked luggage just a terribad idea, or are there clever ways to make it work? Jay Lonner Bellingham, WA Sent from my Atari 400 > On Jun 19, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > > John, didn't that turn into a Dahon project? I vaguely recall a Breakaway > road bike from them that was referenced as having some design influence from > Grant. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8a888bae-3324-44ef-b348-7fdb846305aco%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/D662FA36-FE8C-4B9C-A42E-DE449ACD7E57%40gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
John, didn't that turn into a Dahon project? I vaguely recall a Breakaway road bike from them that was referenced as having some design influence from Grant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8a888bae-3324-44ef-b348-7fdb846305aco%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
Interesting Rivendell-related footnote: The Bleriot decals and head badge were originally designed for a take-apart travel bike (along the lines of the Ritchey "break-away"). Never happened, and when the opportunity to make a frame in collaboration with QBP came up, the Bleriot decals, etc. were appropriated for that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Bl%C3%A9riot Bon Soir, John in Portland, Ore. On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:41:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote: > > I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our > intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British > Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so > I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive > marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy. > > It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to > 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and > detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, > avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, > fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy > performance. > > While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes > and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel > bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something > bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, > especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards > designs that utilize a Rohloff hub. > > Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do > within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a > consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an > extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.) > > Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope! > > Jay Lonner > Bellingham, WA > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0c53a790-973b-404f-9c0b-30758dd2bb42o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
I'm going to be the third to chime in with Nate and Aeroperf. I was living in Southeast Asia for most of the past couple of years and have found airlines, in general, are very accommodating to the standard bicycle in a cardboard box. Some airlines even include it in the price, depending on your ticket and destination. Having realized how simple that process is (get your bike packed up at a LBS, basic reassembly at your destination, etc.) I can't imagine buying a folding travel bike or 20" wheel build, which always seems like a compromise in terms of riding. Would much rather just be on my own ideal bike. As for sea travel, I suppose that's harder to say. A dinghy, in my experience, is a lot like a pick-up truck bed. If you can throw your bike in a pick-up truck, you should be able to throw it in a dinghy. Space concerns for "below deck" at sea seem nebulous and hard to quantify, so maybe that's the rub? But it still seems like a small problem to solve. Again, I'd rather just go with whatever is the best bike for the riding you're doing, pack it up well in a cardboard box on the way there and back. On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 12:56:06 PM UTC-5, aeroperf wrote: > > > After living in Europe for years and then going over for tours for years, > I got tired of rent-a-bikes. For a while I used Nate in Oakland’s solution > and shipped my Sam. Finally I built up what I consider a perfect credit > card touring bike, and based it over there. > So - a Soma Saga with Shimano T-6000 drive, 700c wheels/tires, and Tektro > brakes. All common parts over there. > I keep it with a friend, and if I don’t stop at their place first, have > them ship it to an LBS wherever I tour. You could also keep it at an LBS > over there. > > If budget is not a consideration, get a separate bike for cruising the > Salish Sea. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/34595f0d-eee1-4f52-a931-a59c4061f526o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
You can build a BF with friction and MotoLites for sure. If you don't start with frame-only you can always get the complete 'basic build' NWT with v-brakes and be annoyed at how well it works before ditching the parts for stuff you prefer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c6dca261-d894-4077-83e7-e12c3c5685d4o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
After living in Europe for years and then going over for tours for years, I got tired of rent-a-bikes. For a while I used Nate in Oakland’s solution and shipped my Sam. Finally I built up what I consider a perfect credit card touring bike, and based it over there. So - a Soma Saga with Shimano T-6000 drive, 700c wheels/tires, and Tektro brakes. All common parts over there. I keep it with a friend, and if I don’t stop at their place first, have them ship it to an LBS wherever I tour. You could also keep it at an LBS over there. If budget is not a consideration, get a separate bike for cruising the Salish Sea. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7d0fc195-fe19-472f-a340-6f46ca13361co%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
I've owned several BF, S coupled Surly LHT & Salsa Vaya Travel, Ritchie BreakAway and a Brompton each with a different purpose and each with some issues. Recently built a Velo-Orange Neutrino Mini-Velo. If you do not need an XL which is outsize then it is a good option with relatively short packing/assembly/un-assembly time compared to some of the others yet as stable as a RBW ride. You can build it anyway you want provided to go with disc brakes. On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 7:41:28 PM UTC-4, Jay Lonner wrote: > > I'm interested in building up travel bikes for my wife and me. Our > intended use is credit card touring in continental Europe and the British > Isles. We also have a developing interest in cruising the Salish Sea, so > I'd like something small enough to store belowdecks out of the corrosive > marine environment, and that would be easy to get ashore via dinghy. > > It seems that there are many ways to proceed, ranging from S couplers to > 20" wheel designs like Bike Friday to rinko. All have their proponents and > detractors. My priorities are comfort, ease of assembly/disassembly, > avoidance of proprietary/specialized parts, and the ability to fit racks, > fenders, and lights. I prefer plodding utilitarian considerations to zippy > performance. > > While our daily rides embrace Riv-approved technologies such as rim brakes > and friction shifting, I am open to other options for these proposed travel > bikes. When we're away from home I'm really looking for something > bombproof. Rear derailleurs strike me as a particular vulnerability, > especially on bikes with 20" wheels. At the moment I'm leaning towards > designs that utilize a Rohloff hub. > > Anyway, so many choices, so many tradeoffs - I'm stuck! What would you do > within the design constraints outlined above, if budget weren't really a > consideration? (That's one of the nice things about bikes - even an > extravagant build is super affordable compared to boats.) > > Help me RBW collective, you're my only hope! > > Jay Lonner > Bellingham, WA > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cecb4cc6-266f-4d8f-be98-b2431e987466o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Travel bikes
If cost were not an option, I would look at R's UTB with travel option and Rohloff. It's a 26" wheel bike that fits in a 26" x 26" case. Not inexpensive but it's a normal bike when put together. https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/utb/utb-main.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b47860de-4578-4e0a-90ff-9832ad0e50aeo%40googlegroups.com.
