[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The main difference between my (old) 56cm double TT and my (new) 55 cm 
single TT Sams are that I used to be able to grasp the lower TT to lift the 
bike without worrying about the frame pump, which I used to place between 
the TT's! Actually, my original was first generation and had a "made to a 
price" quality to the brazing and the paint. When Riv raised the price, my 
guess is that they had Waterford try harder. My new one is as aesthetically 
as nice as my Atlantis, IMHO.

Paul Germain
Midlothian

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:00:48 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> A second top tube provides an added canine safety feature if:
> You have dismounted and are using the bike to block a charging dog. 
> The extra TT makes it that much harder for the dog to leap through your 
> frame and latch onto your leg , especially if you have two waterbottle 
> cages and a frame pump on the bike!
> I'm joking of course.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Lungimsam]

A second top tube provides an added canine safety feature if:
You have dismounted and are using the bike to block a charging dog. 
The extra TT makes it that much harder for the dog to leap through your 
frame and latch onto your leg , especially if you have two waterbottle 
cages and a frame pump on the bike!
I'm joking of course.
 

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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Surlyprof]

I re-checked the one on the blug and it is sidepull.  I will continue my 
blissful contentment with my orange, canti-sam.  Despite the fact that there is 
no functional need for 2tt on a 56, I've always liked the unique aesthetic of 
the 2tt Rivs.  But, it's good to be content with what one has. However... those 
tire clearances on the Joe Appaloosa could lure the most content riders!

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Surlyprof]

I did NOT need to know about that web special!  I love my orange, canti 
Hillborne but always desired the double tt model.  Can't believe they have one 
on web specials.

John "still paying off solar panels"

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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[drew]

thats how i justified my sam. i knew that 56 was moving to 55 and that 
neither would likely have dbl top tubes again, so when one popped up, i 
couldnt stop myself.   canti-sams are special too though. i passed on a 56 
double top tube canti sam before buying current sam, and it still stings. 

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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Geoffrey]

I agree that they might look cool but no reason to have a 2nd top tube IMO. 
 I have a single tube AHH in 67cm and it rides just fine...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Patrick Moore]

I had one of the earlier Sam Hills, with cantis. I forget if it was a 55 or
a 56, but it had only 1 tt, and I am pretty sure this model antedated the
2-top-tube fad.

Amirite?

Mine had a 59 cm tt, which was pretty darned long for a 55, though the
slacker (??71??) st angle took care of part of this length.

Patrick Moore, who sees absolutely no reason except "style" why a 55 to 60
cm all rounder-type frame needs 2 tts.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:03 PM, drew  wrote:

> i have a 56 with double top tube. 55 replaced the 56 and eliminated the
> second tube, from what i recall.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 2:23:04 PM UTC-8, Belopolsky wrote:
>>
>> Trying to make sense of this bike I bought. I am 5'7, I was told it was a
>> 55cm. I seem to fit it fine, if anything I am a bit stretched out on it so
>> I was thinking next season I'd get some pullback bars, but I digress..
>>
>> Looking at the website again, I see that the 58+ comes with a double tt.
>> Was the 55 ever a double? I saw someone elsewhere online who had a 56cm
>> double..
>>
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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Minh]

per drew's point, it is probably a 56 and the seller got confused when he 
looked up the current listings.  i believe the 56cm has a slightly longer 
top-tube measurement (59 vs 57) if i'm reading the specs correctly.   the 
current 58 is closer to the old 56.

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 5:23:04 PM UTC-5, Belopolsky wrote:
>
> Trying to make sense of this bike I bought. I am 5'7, I was told it was a 
> 55cm. I seem to fit it fine, if anything I am a bit stretched out on it so 
> I was thinking next season I'd get some pullback bars, but I digress..
>
> Looking at the website again, I see that the 58+ comes with a double tt. 
> Was the 55 ever a double? I saw someone elsewhere online who had a 56cm 
> double..
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[drew]

i had to look up "antedate", but i think that is right. 

i think it went:
-all sams w/o dbl tt
-56 and up w/ dbl tt
-58 and up w/ dbl tt


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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[drew]

i have a 56 with double top tube. 55 replaced the 56 and eliminated the 
second tube, from what i recall. 



On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 2:23:04 PM UTC-8, Belopolsky wrote:
>
> Trying to make sense of this bike I bought. I am 5'7, I was told it was a 
> 55cm. I seem to fit it fine, if anything I am a bit stretched out on it so 
> I was thinking next season I'd get some pullback bars, but I digress..
>
> Looking at the website again, I see that the 58+ comes with a double tt. 
> Was the 55 ever a double? I saw someone elsewhere online who had a 56cm 
> double..
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[Dave]

This 56 certainly has a double: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-164.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

[James Warren]

That's correct. One little detail: when they were single-color orange and some 
came with cantis and some came with sidepulls in 2010, the 2TT started to 
appear on the 60's but not yet the 56's. I remember because when I bought mine 
at the end of that year, my thinking was, "ooh, I can still get a 1TT 60 even 
though the 2TT is on the grow." Sometime after that, a new batch came along 
where both the 56's and 60's were 2TT, and that's when it became clear that Riv 
was serious about these 2TT's!. (And of course, 64's were always 2TT.)

The Web Special one right now is sweet, because it's orange but with cream 
headtube. That's a bit rare. (But Manny has one!) At $1150, I'm surprised that 
hasn't sold yet. Deal!

-Jim W.


On Nov 19, 2015, at 5:59 PM, drew wrote:

> i had to look up "antedate", but i think that is right. 
> 
> i think it went:
> -all sams w/o dbl tt
> -56 and up w/ dbl tt
> -58 and up w/ dbl tt
> 
> 
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