Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Philip,

Thanks for the comment on the Bontrager CX. Yes, I did find one other filet 
brazed Bonty CX online. Not something Keith was prone to do. A very 
practical guy, who believed in a useful, long-lived frame. (Thus the 
gussets he would sometimes use in his MTB bikes.) 
I do imagine he had never gotten a request for a frame with nickel-plated 
or chromed stays and fork blades though! This bike has served me well over 
the years, sometimes as the original 3x7; sometimes as my single speed; 
currently as a 1x7 - before 1x drivetrains were much of a "thing". (I stole 
the idea from actual CX racers, though I never raced CX.)
And yes, today I would never butcher any handlebars li that. It was done 
out of pure naiveté. Getting to see what others were doing back then was 
difficult. Not like today with the Internet. 
What put it into my head in the first place was a 1987 article in Mountain 
Bike Action magazine:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48063895973/in/album-72157709086228276/
Once it was in my head, I could never get it out! Looking at it today, it 
seems like "underbiking" but CX was limited to 32 mm tires, after all. All 
this was before Grant and his "country bike" evangelization, which may not 
have been ground-breaking but was certainly influential. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:09:26 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Wow, that CX bike is incredible. Did you ever hear from anyone else with a 
> fillet-brazed Bontrager cyclocross bike? 
>
> To stay on topic - cutting the sweep ends off flared drops is inadvisable, 
> and the Portola bars are very similar to the RM-3s, Midge, and original 
> WTB. 
>
> I had a LeMond for a while with Portola bars. that was stolen. 
>
> Here’s a $20 Midge bar in SF: 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/san-francisco-on-one-midge-bar/7560429801.html
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Drew, Philip & others, 
>> While this is not a Rivendell, the bike does sport the Soma Portolas in 
>> this discussion. They are on a Bontrager CX that I commissioned from Keith 
>> Bontrager in 1989:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842/with/33876168088/
>> Ironically, when I built it up, used the original WTB Dirt Drops - also a 
>> part of this discussion - with a custom filet brazed stem by Steve Potts. 
>> (I'm covering all the bases here!)
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html
>> Being an east coaster, my only experience with the bars (and bar end 
>> shifters)  was a short ride on Jacquie Phelan's Cunningham Indian while she 
>> was in Massachusetts for the first Ross Stage Race in 1986 -1987. That's 
>> why the bars are truncated like that. I had figured on some tight trail 
>> rides for the bike, but I wound up using it more for fire roads. (I 
>> regretted cutting them, so did an update on some of the components a few 
>> years ago.)
>> Essentially, the shallow drops make them more accessible for doing 
>> shorter, more demanding riding than road stuff, in my opinion.
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt 
>>> drop, which Soma is selling: 
>>>
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>>>
>>> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and 
>>> I would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>>>
>>> Drew
>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for 
 many of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar 
 profile to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.

 Will

 On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:

> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>
> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, 
> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though 
> like 
> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside 
> down 
> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position). 
> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m 
> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it. 
>
> Description from soma:
> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 
> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for 
> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. 
> Grips 
> have a slight fl

Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Philip Williamson]

Wow, that CX bike is incredible. Did you ever hear from anyone else with a
fillet-brazed Bontrager cyclocross bike?

To stay on topic - cutting the sweep ends off flared drops is inadvisable,
and the Portola bars are very similar to the RM-3s, Midge, and original
WTB.

I had a LeMond for a while with Portola bars. that was stolen.

Here’s a $20 Midge bar in SF:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/san-francisco-on-one-midge-bar/7560429801.html

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Drew, Philip & others,
> While this is not a Rivendell, the bike does sport the Soma Portolas in
> this discussion. They are on a Bontrager CX that I commissioned from Keith
> Bontrager in 1989:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842/with/33876168088/
> Ironically, when I built it up, used the original WTB Dirt Drops - also a
> part of this discussion - with a custom filet brazed stem by Steve Potts.
> (I'm covering all the bases here!)
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html
> Being an east coaster, my only experience with the bars (and bar end
> shifters)  was a short ride on Jacquie Phelan's Cunningham Indian while she
> was in Massachusetts for the first Ross Stage Race in 1986 -1987. That's
> why the bars are truncated like that. I had figured on some tight trail
> rides for the bike, but I wound up using it more for fire roads. (I
> regretted cutting them, so did an update on some of the components a few
> years ago.)
> Essentially, the shallow drops make them more accessible for doing
> shorter, more demanding riding than road stuff, in my opinion.
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop,
>> which Soma is selling:
>>
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>>
>> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I
>> would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>>
>> Drew
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many
>>> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile
>>> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>>
 Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
 Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.

 That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider,
 more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like
 another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down
 and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position).
 I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m
 also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it.

 Description from soma:
 This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a
 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for
 adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips
 have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm
 (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths
 (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center

 On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided
> to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
> drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little
> flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm
> tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going
> is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Drew, Philip & others, 
While this is not a Rivendell, the bike does sport the Soma Portolas in 
this discussion. They are on a Bontrager CX that I commissioned from Keith 
Bontrager in 1989:
https://flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842/with/33876168088/
Ironically, when I built it up, used the original WTB Dirt Drops - also a 
part of this discussion - with a custom filet brazed stem by Steve Potts. 
(I'm covering all the bases here!)
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html
Being an east coaster, my only experience with the bars (and bar end 
shifters)  was a short ride on Jacquie Phelan's Cunningham Indian while she 
was in Massachusetts for the first Ross Stage Race in 1986 -1987. That's 
why the bars are truncated like that. I had figured on some tight trail 
rides for the bike, but I wound up using it more for fire roads. (I 
regretted cutting them, so did an update on some of the components a few 
years ago.)
Essentially, the shallow drops make them more accessible for doing shorter, 
more demanding riding than road stuff, in my opinion.
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:

> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop, 
> which Soma is selling: 
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>
> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I 
> would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>
> Drew
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many 
>> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile 
>> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>
>>> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
>>> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
>>> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>>>
>>> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, 
>>> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like 
>>> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down 
>>> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position). 
>>> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m 
>>> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it. 
>>>
>>> Description from soma:
>>> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 
>>> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for 
>>> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips 
>>> have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm 
>>> (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths 
>>> (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey everyone!
 I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided 
 to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
 drops.

 I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little 
 flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm 
 tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

 If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going 
 is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
 technical or serious.

 Thanks!
 Ben

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Philip Williamson]

The RM-3s are the same as the WTB bars that look very similar to the new
Potts bars. I snipped that out of my original reply.

I sold the old WTBs from my Quickbeam, and ended up replacing them with
RM-3s. Same bar. Blue Lug has silver in stock, and some stems that work
well with them.

One of the mysterious birthday/Xmas boxes in the house might have a set of
Potts bars for me…

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif



On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:52 AM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop,
> which Soma is selling:
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>
> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I
> would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>
> Drew
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many
>> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile
>> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>
>>> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
>>> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
>>> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>>>
>>> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider,
>>> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like
>>> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down
>>> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position).
>>> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m
>>> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it.
>>>
>>> Description from soma:
>>> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a
>>> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for
>>> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips
>>> have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm
>>> (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths
>>> (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey everyone!
 I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided
 to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
 drops.

 I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little
 flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm
 tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

 If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going
 is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too
 technical or serious.

 Thanks!
 Ben

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Drew Saunders]

Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop, 
which Soma is selling: 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910

I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I 
would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.

Drew
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many 
> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile 
> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>
> Will
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>
>> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
>> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
>> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>>
>> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, 
>> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like 
>> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down 
>> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position). 
>> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m 
>> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it. 
>>
>> Description from soma:
>> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 
>> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for 
>> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips 
>> have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm 
>> (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths 
>> (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center 
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>>
>>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>>
>>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>>> technical or serious.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Will Boericke]

Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many of
the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile to
the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.

Will

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:

> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>
> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, more
> flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like
> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down
> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position).
> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m
> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it.
>
> Description from soma:
> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 26.0mm
> center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for adventure
> touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips have a
> slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm (56cm
> size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths (measured
> center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Pancake]

Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.

That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider, more 
flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like 
another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down 
and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position). 
I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m 
also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it. 

Description from soma:
This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a 26.0mm 
center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for adventure 
touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips have a 
slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm (56cm 
size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths (measured 
center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Garth]

I used to own the RM-013 long ago but then changed to the 56cm Albatross on 
my 62cm/62cm seat/top tube custom Franklin road bike. The 013 was "okay", 
but not great enough that I kept it. I'm changing back to a drop bar and 
used the bikepacking list as a useful starting point. Mostly I wanted a 
shallow-er drop and short-er reach drop bar because I'm using some modern 
Tektro RL-341 levers, the small hand version(same body, shorter, closer-in 
levers). Compared to how road levers used to be, those Tektro small hand 
versions have about the same length and reach to the lever as vintage 
Campy, and when mounted they are on about the same plane as the bottom of 
the drops. Of course, the lever bodies are so much longer now, hence, I 
don't need so much reach in the bar. 

I really wasn't keen on anything until I dove into the Zipp Service Course 
70 XPLR. It's a rough texture silver, kinda odd, but yeah so what since 
it's getting taped and I'll take function over fashion every time. I bought 
the 46cm, which is 52cm at the ends. With it's modest flare and outsweep 
riding the hoods feel like a regular drop bar. The top has a slight 
backwseep also, which is really quite nice to feel as I never liked 
straight tops since the wrists don't conform to straight. The top is oval 
also, very nice in hand ! It's a 31.8 clamp, which seems to clamp more 
efficiently , and I only use open face zero or positive rise stems anyway. 
Yea to threadless quill adapters for the adaptability. I love most of the 
"vintage" design of many things except when it comes to stems with negative 
rise and enclosed clamps. I mean they look wonderful but they don't apply 
practically for my sensibilities. 

>From the bikepacking article of the SC 70 XPLR :

*There are two metrics that set these bars apart from others in this list: 
outsweep and flare. Something that often bothers me about more dramatically 
flared bars is that the brake hoods sit at an awkward angle. It’s not 
always a problem as different bars are angled and tweaked differently, but 
sometimes the bend at the point of flare exaggerates the angle of the 
levers, making grabbing them from the drops a little awkward. At any rate, 
Zipp’s goal was to develop a bar with a hoods-dominant position at the 
forefront, in turn, solving some of these issues. I ride in the hoods much 
of the time, or with my hands resting on the bar curve just behind the 
hoods, so this piqued my interest. To accomplish this—and maintain control 
in the drops—Zipp landed on 5° flare and 11° outsweep.*

*The bar’s drop shape features 70mm reach, but the drop is a shallower 
115mm. The service Course also features an ergonomic top with 3° backsweep, 
100mm clamping area on top of bar, Di2 bar end junction compatible.*



On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:15:28 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I only ride flared drops. The flare in flared drops are mostly for wrist 
> clearance out of the saddle or in technical body-English situations. I feel 
> the width changes from the hoods to the hooks to the ends are also 
> beneficial for different modes during a ride: aero cruising, control on 
> technical trails or descents, and leverage for honking up a loose hill. 
>
> I’ve settled on Nitto RM-3s from Blue Lug or Somafab. It’s my favorite. 
> The 25.4 is often out of stock, but is my favorite bar. I have them on 
> three bikes; my Fitz Supermoto, Quickbeam fixed gear, and Bontrager road 
> bike. The angled hoods are very comfortable to me, and the drops give great 
> control. I set flared bars up high, so the hooks are the main position, but 
> I use the hoods and tops, too.
>
> The On-One Midge bar is similar to the RM-3; I like it almost as much.
> The RM-013 someone else mentioned is also a good bar. Deeper, more reach, 
> and less flare. 
> On the other end of the spectrum is the Woodchipper, which is short, 
> shallow, and flared. The hooks aren’t angled much, but the tops are wide. 
>
> You can see the RM-3s on my Quickbeam here on Instagram: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/ClKbS02PGoN/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Philip Williamson]

I only ride flared drops. The flare in flared drops are mostly for wrist 
clearance out of the saddle or in technical body-English situations. I feel 
the width changes from the hoods to the hooks to the ends are also 
beneficial for different modes during a ride: aero cruising, control on 
technical trails or descents, and leverage for honking up a loose hill. 

I’ve settled on Nitto RM-3s from Blue Lug or Somafab. It’s my favorite. The 
25.4 is often out of stock, but is my favorite bar. I have them on three 
bikes; my Fitz Supermoto, Quickbeam fixed gear, and Bontrager road bike. 
The angled hoods are very comfortable to me, and the drops give great 
control. I set flared bars up high, so the hooks are the main position, but 
I use the hoods and tops, too.

The On-One Midge bar is similar to the RM-3; I like it almost as much.
The RM-013 someone else mentioned is also a good bar. Deeper, more reach, 
and less flare. 
On the other end of the spectrum is the Woodchipper, which is short, 
shallow, and flared. The hooks aren’t angled much, but the tops are wide. 

You can see the RM-3s on my Quickbeam here on 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/ClKbS02PGoN/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 I'm for extra width...
But I don't like the idea of flare occurring from tops to bottoms because it 
puts the hoods/lever tips pointing outward. I don't totally get the true 
functional value of flaring other than bottoms are wider than tops? Is that 
helpful from a functional perspective?
Help me out here?

Scott

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 01:25:10 PM MST, Rusty Click 
 wrote:  
 
 Plus one for the Spank Flare.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey everyone!I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and 
decided to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
drops.
I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare and I 
don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted by the 
Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is casual 
rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too technical or 
serious.
Thanks!Ben


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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Conway Bennett]

Here's a pre-dug rabbit hole: https://bikepacking.com/index/gravel-bars/

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:07:48 PM UTC-6 Conway Bennett wrote:

> I'd look at Curve WALMER Bar 
> , Redshift Kitchen 
> Sink , or Ride 
> Farr Supa-Wide 
> .
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 2:25:04 PM UTC-6 Rusty Click wrote:
>
>> Plus one for the Spank Flare.
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>>
>>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>>
>>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>>> technical or serious.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Conway Bennett]

I'd look at Curve WALMER Bar 
, Redshift Kitchen 
Sink , or Ride 
Farr Supa-Wide 
.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 2:25:04 PM UTC-6 Rusty Click wrote:

> Plus one for the Spank Flare.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Rusty Click]

Plus one for the Spank Flare.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi J,
Adding this link for prosperity...  Primarily compares RM014 to RM013 but 
scroll to the bottom for the notable Noodle comparison!  I eventually 
stumbled upon this page some time ago during searches for 52cm RM013 bars 
and trying to verify how they were measured.  I'll see if I could dig up a 
photo of the build though it'll likely differ in some regard from the most 
recent variation as I had swapped bars/levers/cranks/wheel at various 
points but unfortunately think I missed an proper photo documentation of 
where it ended.
http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 11:28:23 AM UTC-5 J wrote:

> Brian-
> That's good insight about the 52 vs 48, the difference being in the width 
> of the flair only, since nowhere else is that useful info available. I've 
> been considering moving from the narrowest Towel Rack V1 to a Noodle bar 
> but have been unsure I could get along with the narrow width. What bike are 
> you using the 52 Noodle on, any photos? 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-5 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They make 
>> really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only 
>>> in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that 
>>> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
>>> more technical terrain.) 
>>> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
>>> which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
>>> for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
>>> through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
>>> Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
>>> hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>>>
>>> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
>>> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
>>> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
>>> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
>>> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
>>> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
>>> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
>>> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
>>> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
>>> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
>>> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined 
>>> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>>>
>>> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 
>>> 66cm/26.0 (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a 
>>> short brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly 
>>> wde but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the 
>>> full build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also 
>>> significantly different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually 
>>> give it a try.
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394
>>>
>>> Brian Cole
>>> Lawrence NJ
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey everyone!
 I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided 
 to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
 drops.

 I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little 
 flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm 
 tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

 If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going 
 is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
 technical or serious.

 Thanks!
 Ben

>>>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Jason Zakaras]

Ben, I'm also in Omaha and a big fan of the crust towel rack.  I have a 600 
on my 58cm quick beam and am holding a 630 for my 58cm hunq that is 
currently being painted.  If you want to hold the 630 or ride the QB to 
check the feels I'd be down to meet. 

I had the Nitto noodles and the flares on the Towel Rack rey 
help me get into a good comfortable but not overly relaxed position.  I've 
rode them on 150 mile rides around here on the gravel and are quiet easily 
the nicest cockpit set-up I've used.  Another nice option is the Ritchie 
VentureMax, I had the carbon bars on my bombora but swapped them out for 
towel racks, I find there are more hand placement options with the TR.

Cheers!

Jason "in rural Springfield which is basically Omaha" Zakaras

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:49:26 AM UTC-6 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They make 
> really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only 
>> in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that 
>> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
>> more technical terrain.) 
>> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
>> which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
>> for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
>> through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
>> Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
>> hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>>
>> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
>> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
>> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
>> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
>> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
>> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
>> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
>> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
>> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
>> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
>> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined 
>> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>>
>> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 
>> 66cm/26.0 (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a 
>> short brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly 
>> wde but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the 
>> full build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also 
>> significantly different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually 
>> give it a try.
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrence NJ
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>>
>>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>>
>>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>>> technical or serious.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[J]

Brian-
That's good insight about the 52 vs 48, the difference being in the width 
of the flair only, since nowhere else is that useful info available. I've 
been considering moving from the narrowest Towel Rack V1 to a Noodle bar 
but have been unsure I could get along with the narrow width. What bike are 
you using the 52 Noodle on, any photos? 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-5 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They make 
> really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only 
>> in the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that 
>> extra flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly 
>> more technical terrain.) 
>> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
>> which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
>> for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
>> through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
>> Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
>> hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>>
>> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
>> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
>> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
>> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
>> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
>> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
>> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
>> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
>> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
>> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
>> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined 
>> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>>
>> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 
>> 66cm/26.0 (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a 
>> short brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly 
>> wde but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the 
>> full build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also 
>> significantly different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually 
>> give it a try.
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrence NJ
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>>
>>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>>
>>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>>> technical or serious.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Lance Terry]

Check out the PNW Coast bar.  A little flair but not too crazy. They make 
really nice stuff at a reasonable price and great customer service.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> 52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only in 
> the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that extra 
> flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly more 
> technical terrain.) 
> I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
> which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
> for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
> through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
> Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
> hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)
>
> I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of 
> riding you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  
> The Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was 
> the only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt 
> much better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper 
> drop vs. the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more 
> traditional road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered 
> trying Crust's new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread 
> less stem with 26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I 
> thought I'd like to try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare 
> compared to the Cowbell 12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined 
> so won't be attempting any other drop swaps anytime soon.
>
> I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 66cm/26.0 
> (only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a short 
> brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly wde 
> but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the full 
> build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also significantly 
> different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually give it a try.
>
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
>
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

52cm Nitto RM013 - it's essentially a 48mm Noodle with extra flare only in 
the drop itself (so hoods retain a more normal orientation but that extra 
flare when in the drops feels nice if venturing off into slightly more 
technical terrain.) 
I started with a 48cm RM013 after being confused about the measurements, 
which differ from the Noodle, and found the 48cm RM013 it a hair too narrow 
for my liking.  I eventually acquired the desired 52cm of the same model 
through a series of parts swaps and list purchases as well as a Salsa 
Cowbell in the widest 46cm size (which is 46cm center to center at the 
hoods making the drop/bar ends over 50cm.)

I really like aspects of both the Cowbell and RM013 for the types of riding 
you describe but found I personally seem to prefer longer ramps.  The 
Cowbell's 68mm reach felt much too short for me, personally, and was the 
only reason I moved away from them.  The 90mm reach of the RM013 felt much 
better when on the ramps.  I was kind of indifferent to the deeper drop vs. 
the Cowbell but do like the unique flare combined with a more traditional 
road drop for a mixed surface road-ish bike.  I'd considered trying Crust's 
new 31.8 Bonneville bar since I was running a 31.8 thread less stem with 
26.0 shim for the RM013's on my only drop bar bike.  I thought I'd like to 
try the longer/flatter 120mm ramp and 15deg flare compared to the Cowbell 
12deg, however, that frame has since been sidelined so won't be attempting 
any other drop swaps anytime soon.

I also have one of the original v1 Towel Rack/Leather Bar in the 66cm/26.0 
(only the single option in the v1) but used it only briefly on a short 
brakeless test ride mid-build on another project.  It was certainly wde 
but I have not yet had an opportunity to fully test it yet as the full 
build has not yet materialized.  Current iterations are also significantly 
different in spec than the v1 but I do hope to eventually give it a try.

https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-rm-dirt-drop
https://crustbikes.com/collections/handlebars/products/nitto-x-crust-bonneville-bar?variant=3234146394

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Ben Mihovk]

Oooh...I like the looks of that. It's a contender!

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:05:41 AM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> Have you looked at the spank flare 25 from Analog? I rode them on one of 
> their demo bikes and it had a nice flare
>
>
> https://analogcycles.com/collections/bars/products/spank-flare-25-degree-bars?variant=42906531004648
>
> Max
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
>> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>>
>> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
>> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
>> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>>
>> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
>> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
>> technical or serious.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[maxcr]

Have you looked at the spank flare 25 from Analog? I rode them on one of 
their demo bikes and it had a nice flare

https://analogcycles.com/collections/bars/products/spank-flare-25-degree-bars?variant=42906531004648

Max
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>

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