Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-07-02 Thread RonLau
Let me add this.  Our leader here rode his FIXEDGEAR.

I rode most of the road on my road, camping, towing my son, carbon, rando, 
fast, slow, hot, cold, rain, sun but have not done this route on fixedgear 
yet.

SFR will host this again in Oct. but if anyone wants to ride all or most of 
the route (ie start from Mill Valley), let me know.  I will do it on fixed.


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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-07-02 Thread Ely Rodriguez
If you are running a little behind schedule, I will wait for you at the 
finish control and make you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and hand you 
a cold drink as you roll up!
It is always a pleasure to see the riders arriving after a day of beautiful 
roads and good company.
-Ely
SF Randonneurs Populaire Coordinator

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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-27 Thread William
I had to miss the Populaire in order to keep my R-12 going.  I did a solo 
200k Permanent, and I could have done with a little camaraderie 
(commiseration).  The Permanent I tackled was called the Mt Hamilton 
Challenge, and it was indeed a challenge.  I limped in at 13 hours 9 
minutes, 27 minutes under the time limit, so I'm a finisher.  6 months into 
my R12!

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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread cyclotourist
I like it, as it handicaps me a bit... "Wow, he's doing pretty good for
riding such an old/rental/commuter/etc bike!"

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:29 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
> > Did they ask you how old your bikes were?  :-)
> >
>
> If I had a buck for every time I've been asked that, I could afford to
> buy one of the new mystery bikes.
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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Anne Paulson
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:29 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Did they ask you how old your bikes were?  :-)
>

If I had a buck for every time I've been asked that, I could afford to
buy one of the new mystery bikes.


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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Rene Sterental
I'm looking forward to the experience, but am not quite ready yet.
Perhaps in October... Or next year.

Rene

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 26, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> Hi Rene. Jim sums it up nicely. I'll chip in by saying that speed on
> the bike does not have to be great. But, speed while off the bike is
> critical. The saying we came up with in our post-mortem over beers was
> "every minute off the bike is a minute you may need to make up while
> on the bike."
>
> We did a pretty bad job of limiting our time while off the bike. Part
> of it was ignorance where folks didn't know how to gauge how long they
> were taking and that the clock is *always* running. Part of it was
> inexperience in riders never having ridden the route, having no idea
> how much distance was left to be covered at any given moment, and
> therefore not knowing when maybe they ought to push themselves.
> Finally, part of it was politeness in trying not to rush someone
> during stops and giving people a break at the top of climbs, etc.
> Throw in a few unexpected problems (losing riders three times in our
> case) and some expected issues (flats, including one in which the back
> up tube had a hole), and suddenly you realize, uh oh, we've got to
> move it!
>
> In hindsight, I should have talked over some details with the crew.
> Mostly, I should have let them know that when we stop, everyone is in
> charge of taking their own business and getting back on the bike,
> ready to roll, asap. Maybe I should have given a time limit to each
> stop.
>
> On the other hand, despite it all, we finished in time--maybe with a
> generous clock by the SFR folks ;) And, it was quite a memorable
> finish! I highly recommend it.
>
> Best,
> Lee
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:
>> Thanks for the details. Perhaps at some future time I'll give it a try.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> On Jun 26, 2011, at 6:48 PM, CycloFiend  wrote:
>>
>> on 6/26/11 2:55 PM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> How fast do you need to ride to finish it on time? What happens if you
>> don't? I've never done one of these...
>>
>> Time limit on this ride was 7.5 hours for 115K.   If my math is right, you
>> are looking at about ~9.5 mph.  Bear in mind, that for brevets, the clock
>> never stops, so that average includes breaks, controls, etc.
>>
>> If you don't finish within the limit, you receive a DNF.  If you come in
>> before the time limit, you are a "Finisher", along with the folks who scorch
>> the course.  It's a little different paradigm than racing, even though there
>> is a time limit.  Essentially, you get credit for completing the ride within
>> the time limit (and "completing", meaning passing through the controls
>> within the time limits and completing whatever requirements those have).
>>  That credit can be used towards qualifying for something like
>> Paris-Brest-Paris (this year is a PBP year), or for R-12 Awards (someone who
>> has completed a 200K each month for twelve consecutive months.)
>>
>> More here:
>>
>> http://rusa.org
>>
>> http://sfrandonneurs.org
>>
>>
>> - J
>>
>>
>> --
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>> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
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>> anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace."
>>
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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Fuz
Looks like fun.  I'll need a lot of training to get into shape before I even 
think about joining though.  :(

Maybe one day I can see more fellow riv cult members in person...

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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread cyclotourist
Did they ask you how old your bikes were?  :-)

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> Hi Anne. Yeah, it was fun to have all of these bikes on the roadway.
> There's a bakery in Point Reyes Station (Bovine Bakery) that, if
> you're not familiar with it, is quite the stop for weekend cyclists.
> It was great to see so many racked and sacked bikes there, lined up
> along with the Cervelos and aerobars and whatnot. It didn't stop one
> fella from asking me where my crew rode from, and when I said San
> Francisco, he was genuinely curious and asked me if our bikes were
> rental bikes. He noted the front bags and cue sheets. That's pretty
> good. On a previous ride through that area, another cyclist told me
> she thought it was neat that my friend and I rode out there on our
> commuter bikes :)
>
> Anyway, it was a load of fun, and my friends who were new to this kind
> of riding found it a real thrill, as did I.
>
> Best,
> Lee
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Anne Paulson 
> wrote:
> > I've previously criticized the populaires for being too short, but I
> > now see I was completely wrong. Beautiful bikes. Looks like a great
> > time, and I bet it's a relief to spend an entire day without being
> > told that your bike is too heavy and you ought to buy disposable
> > wheels.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Cyclofiend Jim
> >  wrote:
> >> Got out yesterday on the San Francisco Randonneurs Populaire, a ~71 mile
> >> introduction to brevets which the club puts on a couple times a year.
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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Lee Chae
Hi Anne. Yeah, it was fun to have all of these bikes on the roadway.
There's a bakery in Point Reyes Station (Bovine Bakery) that, if
you're not familiar with it, is quite the stop for weekend cyclists.
It was great to see so many racked and sacked bikes there, lined up
along with the Cervelos and aerobars and whatnot. It didn't stop one
fella from asking me where my crew rode from, and when I said San
Francisco, he was genuinely curious and asked me if our bikes were
rental bikes. He noted the front bags and cue sheets. That's pretty
good. On a previous ride through that area, another cyclist told me
she thought it was neat that my friend and I rode out there on our
commuter bikes :)

Anyway, it was a load of fun, and my friends who were new to this kind
of riding found it a real thrill, as did I.

Best,
Lee


On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> I've previously criticized the populaires for being too short, but I
> now see I was completely wrong. Beautiful bikes. Looks like a great
> time, and I bet it's a relief to spend an entire day without being
> told that your bike is too heavy and you ought to buy disposable
> wheels.
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Cyclofiend Jim
>  wrote:
>> Got out yesterday on the San Francisco Randonneurs Populaire, a ~71 mile
>> introduction to brevets which the club puts on a couple times a year.
> --
> -- Anne Paulson
>
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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Lee Chae
Hi Rene. Jim sums it up nicely. I'll chip in by saying that speed on
the bike does not have to be great. But, speed while off the bike is
critical. The saying we came up with in our post-mortem over beers was
"every minute off the bike is a minute you may need to make up while
on the bike."

We did a pretty bad job of limiting our time while off the bike. Part
of it was ignorance where folks didn't know how to gauge how long they
were taking and that the clock is *always* running. Part of it was
inexperience in riders never having ridden the route, having no idea
how much distance was left to be covered at any given moment, and
therefore not knowing when maybe they ought to push themselves.
Finally, part of it was politeness in trying not to rush someone
during stops and giving people a break at the top of climbs, etc.
Throw in a few unexpected problems (losing riders three times in our
case) and some expected issues (flats, including one in which the back
up tube had a hole), and suddenly you realize, uh oh, we've got to
move it!

In hindsight, I should have talked over some details with the crew.
Mostly, I should have let them know that when we stop, everyone is in
charge of taking their own business and getting back on the bike,
ready to roll, asap. Maybe I should have given a time limit to each
stop.

On the other hand, despite it all, we finished in time--maybe with a
generous clock by the SFR folks ;) And, it was quite a memorable
finish! I highly recommend it.

Best,
Lee

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Thanks for the details. Perhaps at some future time I'll give it a try.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 26, 2011, at 6:48 PM, CycloFiend  wrote:
>
> on 6/26/11 2:55 PM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> How fast do you need to ride to finish it on time? What happens if you
> don't? I've never done one of these...
>
> Time limit on this ride was 7.5 hours for 115K.   If my math is right, you
> are looking at about ~9.5 mph.  Bear in mind, that for brevets, the clock
> never stops, so that average includes breaks, controls, etc.
>
> If you don't finish within the limit, you receive a DNF.  If you come in
> before the time limit, you are a "Finisher", along with the folks who scorch
> the course.  It's a little different paradigm than racing, even though there
> is a time limit.  Essentially, you get credit for completing the ride within
> the time limit (and "completing", meaning passing through the controls
> within the time limits and completing whatever requirements those have).
>  That credit can be used towards qualifying for something like
> Paris-Brest-Paris (this year is a PBP year), or for R-12 Awards (someone who
> has completed a 200K each month for twelve consecutive months.)
>
> More here:
>
> http://rusa.org
>
> http://sfrandonneurs.org
>
>
> - J
>
>
> --
> Jim Edgar
> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Rene Sterental
Thanks for the details. Perhaps at some future time I'll give it a try.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 26, 2011, at 6:48 PM, CycloFiend  wrote:

on 6/26/11 2:55 PM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

How fast do you need to ride to finish it on time? What happens if you
don't? I've never done one of these...

Time limit on this ride was 7.5 hours for 115K.   If my math is right, you
are looking at about ~9.5 mph.  Bear in mind, that for brevets, the clock
never stops, so that average includes breaks, controls, etc.

If you don't finish within the limit, you receive a DNF.  If you come in
before the time limit, you are a "Finisher", along with the folks who scorch
the course.  It's a little different paradigm than racing, even though there
is a time limit.  Essentially, you get credit for completing the ride within
the time limit (and "completing", meaning passing through the controls
within the time limits and completing whatever requirements those have).
 That credit can be used towards qualifying for something like
Paris-Brest-Paris (this year is a PBP year), or for R-12 Awards (someone who
has completed a 200K each month for twelve consecutive months.)

More here:

http://rusa.org

http://sfrandonneurs.org


- J


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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread CycloFiend
on 6/26/11 2:55 PM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

How fast do you need to ride to finish it on time? What happens if you
don't? I've never done one of these...

Time limit on this ride was 7.5 hours for 115K.   If my math is right, you
are looking at about ~9.5 mph.  Bear in mind, that for brevets, the clock
never stops, so that average includes breaks, controls, etc.

If you don't finish within the limit, you receive a DNF.  If you come in
before the time limit, you are a "Finisher", along with the folks who scorch
the course.  It's a little different paradigm than racing, even though there
is a time limit.  Essentially, you get credit for completing the ride within
the time limit (and "completing", meaning passing through the controls
within the time limits and completing whatever requirements those have).
That credit can be used towards qualifying for something like
Paris-Brest-Paris (this year is a PBP year), or for R-12 Awards (someone who
has completed a 200K each month for twelve consecutive months.)

More here:

http://rusa.org

http://sfrandonneurs.org


- J


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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Rene Sterental
How fast do you need to ride to finish it on time? What happens if you
don't? I've never done one of these...

René

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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Anne Paulson
I've previously criticized the populaires for being too short, but I
now see I was completely wrong. Beautiful bikes. Looks like a great
time, and I bet it's a relief to spend an entire day without being
told that your bike is too heavy and you ought to buy disposable
wheels.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Cyclofiend Jim
 wrote:
> Got out yesterday on the San Francisco Randonneurs Populaire, a ~71 mile
> introduction to brevets which the club puts on a couple times a year.
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Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Lee Chae
I keep following up on Jim's posts (sorry, Jim!). The populaire was a
blast! A lot of Riv eye-candy, as well. It was good to see our Chief
List Dude, as well as other contributors, like Ron Lau and Joe Bunik.
Most of all, it was just plain fun, and my group even made it across
the finish line with two minutes to spare. I highly recommend trying
out the next one in October. SFR puts on a good show and are a
friendly, welcoming bunch. And Rivs with racks and sacks are a perfect
fit here :)

Lots of bike pics here:

http://tinyurl.com/4x5otob

Have a nice end of the weekend, everybody,
Lee
SF, CA

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Cyclofiend Jim
 wrote:
> Got out yesterday on the San Francisco Randonneurs Populaire, a ~71 mile
> introduction to brevets which the club puts on a couple times a year. There
> was a pretty decent crowd, with a good percentage of folks who had not ever
> ridden a brevet before. After an intro and short talk by RBA Rob Hawks, we
> made our pledge and headed out onto the roads.  Fine weather with enough
> headwind on the way home to keep things interesting.  Ended up connecting
> with ride buddy JimG who rolled up just before the start and we covered
> almost every mile together.  It was a great chance to catch up, see some
> list members and ogle the hardware.
>
> Photos here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157626923504205/
>
> - Jim
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[RBW] SFR Populaire Photos

2011-06-26 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Got out yesterday on the San Francisco Randonneurs Populaire, a ~71 mile 
introduction to brevets which the club puts on a couple times a year. There 
was a pretty decent crowd, with a good percentage of folks who had not ever 
ridden a brevet before. After an intro and short talk by RBA Rob Hawks, we 
made our pledge and headed out onto the roads.  Fine weather with enough 
headwind on the way home to keep things interesting.  Ended up connecting 
with ride buddy JimG who rolled up just before the start and we covered 
almost every mile together.  It was a great chance to catch up, see some 
list members and ogle the hardware. 

Photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157626923504205/

- Jim

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