[RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread bo richardson
i was riding my 54 Rambouillet 700c downhill recently.
there was a rattle from the front fender
it got worse suddenly
i got my hands on the bars and the front fender 
mounting hardware came loose 
and rolled between the tire and the fender
this tore the fender off and threw it in front of the bike
Questions

the fenders were vo metal
not hammered not round
whatever the third option was

they never fit especially well and were noisy

is this the nature of fenders?
when i replace the fender 
is there some option
others have liked better?
or should i order another pair of vos and just replace the front?
jack browns for tires

thanks for the expertise

bo
bellingham

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RE: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Properly fitted alloy fenders should be very solid -- no reason for them to be 
making noise.  And I have metal fenders on a number of my bikes.

But having said that, if I were installing fenders on a new bike now, I'd give 
very serious consideration to any fender that has something like the quick 
release that comes on the SKS fenders that Riv sells.  The piece is here:  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/fe83.htm  One version of the fenders Riv sells 
with the safety clip are here:  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/fe2.htm  These 
are the cream colored ones, which (if they would fit on your Rambouillet) would 
look really good, IMO.

I'm sure you could make your own version of the Secu-Clip, but they're only $4 
(or included in the package if you buy the SKS fenders), and it's a real safety 
feature.  (Also makes it easier to install and remove fenders.)

And lastly, I think that if you hear a new noise from your bike, you should 
inspect it immediately (or at least as soon as you can, given surrounding 
conditions).  New noise is often a warning of a new problem (maybe easily 
fixable, but worth investigating). 

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Subject: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

i was riding my 54 Rambouillet 700c downhill recently.
there was a rattle from the front fender it got worse suddenly i got my hands 
on the bars and the front fender mounting hardware came loose and rolled 
between the tire and the fender this tore the fender off and threw it in front 
of the bike Questions

the fenders were vo metal
not hammered not round
whatever the third option was

they never fit especially well and were noisy

is this the nature of fenders?
when i replace the fender
is there some option
others have liked better?
or should i order another pair of vos and just replace the front?
jack browns for tires

thanks for the expertise

bo
bellingham

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread Jim Bronson
VO Zeppelin?  Does VO supply the leather washers?  That's what most people
I hear with Honjos say quiets down the rattling.


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM, bo richardson  wrote:

> i was riding my 54 Rambouillet 700c downhill recently.
> there was a rattle from the front fender
> it got worse suddenly
> i got my hands on the bars and the front fender
> mounting hardware came loose
> and rolled between the tire and the fender
> this tore the fender off and threw it in front of the bike
> Questions
>
> the fenders were vo metal
> not hammered not round
> whatever the third option was
>
> they never fit especially well and were noisy
>
> is this the nature of fenders?
> when i replace the fender
> is there some option
> others have liked better?
> or should i order another pair of vos and just replace the front?
> jack browns for tires
>
> thanks for the expertise
>
> bo
> bellingham
>
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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread bingomck
Wow, glad you are Ok! 

Question for group related to yours, will SKS Longboard P45 fenders fit in a 
Ram with Tektro 559 side pulls? If so, what would be max. tire size, 32-35ish? 

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread Steven Frederick
I'm running that combo on my Rambly-32mm Soma Pasela clones (size actual
and labled)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/14486815897/in/photostream/lightbox/

Does anyone else find sharing pics from the "new, improve" Flikk'r
frustrating?

Steve


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM, bingomck  wrote:

> Wow, glad you are Ok!
>
> Question for group related to yours, will SKS Longboard P45 fenders fit in
> a Ram with Tektro 559 side pulls? If so, what would be max. tire size,
> 32-35ish?
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RE: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I must be in a small minority, but I like the newest Flickr – in contrast to 
most of the other “newer” Flickrs.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:57 PM
To: rbw-owners-bun.
Subject: Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

I'm running that combo on my Rambly-32mm Soma Pasela clones (size actual and 
labled)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/14486815897/in/photostream/lightbox/
Does anyone else find sharing pics from the "new, improve" Flikk'r frustrating?
Steve

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM, bingomck 
mailto:bingo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Wow, glad you are Ok!

Question for group related to yours, will SKS Longboard P45 fenders fit in a 
Ram with Tektro 559 side pulls? If so, what would be max. tire size, 32-35ish?

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
Thanks to Portland Design Works, you no longer have to choose between metal 
fenders and some kind of secu-clip:

https://www.ridepdw.com/goods/spare-parts/fmf-safety-tabs

For fender hardware generally, Nylock nuts are your best friend, especially 
in hard-to-reach places.  Locktite is probably your second-best friend, 
because sometimes you can't use a Nylock.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:25:19 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
> Properly fitted alloy fenders should be very solid -- no reason for them 
> to be making noise.  And I have metal fenders on a number of my bikes. 
>
> But having said that, if I were installing fenders on a new bike now, I'd 
> give very serious consideration to any fender that has something like the 
> quick release that comes on the SKS fenders that Riv sells.  The piece is 
> here:  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/fe83.htm  One version of the 
> fenders Riv sells with the safety clip are here:  
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/fe2.htm  These are the cream colored 
> ones, which (if they would fit on your Rambouillet) would look really good, 
> IMO. 
>
> I'm sure you could make your own version of the Secu-Clip, but they're 
> only $4 (or included in the package if you buy the SKS fenders), and it's a 
> real safety feature.  (Also makes it easier to install and remove fenders.) 
>
> And lastly, I think that if you hear a new noise from your bike, you 
> should inspect it immediately (or at least as soon as you can, given 
> surrounding conditions).  New noise is often a warning of a new problem 
> (maybe easily fixable, but worth investigating). 
>
> -Original Message- 
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> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:05 PM 
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question 
>
> i was riding my 54 Rambouillet 700c downhill recently. 
> there was a rattle from the front fender it got worse suddenly i got my 
> hands on the bars and the front fender mounting hardware came loose and 
> rolled between the tire and the fender this tore the fender off and threw 
> it in front of the bike Questions 
>
> the fenders were vo metal 
> not hammered not round 
> whatever the third option was 
>
> they never fit especially well and were noisy 
>
> is this the nature of fenders? 
> when i replace the fender 
> is there some option 
> others have liked better? 
> or should i order another pair of vos and just replace the front? 
> jack browns for tires 
>
> thanks for the expertise 
>
> bo 
> bellingham 
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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread David Banzer
VO's do come with leather washers, though they're not great ones. Leather 
washers should be installed at a point where the fender itself touches frame 
(chainstay/seatstay mounts, under fork crown). 
I think what cuts down on noise the most is that they're properly installed and 
secured. Having a front rack mount for the front definitely helps secure the 
front. 
The perceived noise I believe comes from gravel/very-tiny-rocks that may bounce 
around. 
Rock on metal is louder than rock on plastic. 
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread Leslie
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:41:34 PM UTC-4, bingomck wrote:
>
> Wow, glad you are Ok! 
>
> Question for group related to yours, will SKS Longboard P45 fenders fit in 
> a Ram with Tektro 559 side pulls? If so, what would be max. tire size, 
> 32-35ish? 
>

32's would be max, I think;   I had 32 Paselas under my VO fenders (the 
smooth ones), and there was an occasional rub, given psi. I'd probably 
stick w/ a 28 or a 30 if I was keeping fenders and 700c...

(Note, all of this is what led to my Hetre conversion wanting fatter 
tires under fenders on a roadbike)   


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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread Patrick Moore
I had very solid and noise free fenders with the Berthoud stainless steels
and Honjo hammered aluminums that I used on one commuter. I remember
banging the trailing edge of the front Berthoud on a high curb when I
carelessly forgot to lift the wheel as I dropped off. BAM! I got off
fearing I'd ruined the fender and my ride, to find that the only damage was
that the fender bowed out a bit under the down tube. A couple of firm
shoves put it back in order.

Caveat: As Jan points out, metal fenders will break if attached under
stress. My rear Honjo cracked after ~2 years of commuting under the brake
bridge where I'd forced the bend. I've not had this problem with plastic
fenders (which I always force shape).

Plastics: I've used PB and SKS 60s off road with no rattles or failure;
none on road with these brands and narrower models, a fortiori.

Patrick Moore, stalling on installing a pair of SKS 45s on his Ram in
"monsoon" ABQ, NM (you have to work at catching a shower, even though July
has been a rainy month by our standards).


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM, bo richardson  wrote:

> i was riding my 54 Rambouillet 700c downhill recently.
> there was a rattle from the front fender
> it got worse suddenly
> i got my hands on the bars and the front fender
> mounting hardware came loose
> and rolled between the tire and the fender
> this tore the fender off and threw it in front of the bike
> Questions
>
> the fenders were vo metal
> not hammered not round
> whatever the third option was
>
> they never fit especially well and were noisy
>
> is this the nature of fenders?
> when i replace the fender
> is there some option
> others have liked better?
> or should i order another pair of vos and just replace the front?
> jack browns for tires
>
> thanks for the expertise
>
> bo
> bellingham
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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Nice fender line!


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Steven Frederick  wrote:

> I'm running that combo on my Rambly-32mm Soma Pasela clones (size actual
> and labled)
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/14486815897/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> Does anyone else find sharing pics from the "new, improve" Flikk'r
> frustrating?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM, bingomck  wrote:
>
>> Wow, glad you are Ok!
>>
>> Question for group related to yours, will SKS Longboard P45 fenders fit
>> in a Ram with Tektro 559 side pulls? If so, what would be max. tire size,
>> 32-35ish?
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look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-25 Thread Roger
Those PDW clips look great.
Does anyone know if they are compatible with VO and/or Honjo?

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-25 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
I did a slide fit on a VO fender stay and it appeared to work fine.  I plan 
to install them this weekend.  Of course I've been planning to install them 
for a little while--life has been *busy*!

On Friday, July 25, 2014 10:56:07 AM UTC-4, Roger wrote:
>
> Those PDW clips look great.
> Does anyone know if they are compatible with VO and/or Honjo?

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-25 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
Installed the PDW safety clips tonight.  They were a perfect fit on the VO 
stays and adjustment was a piece of cake.

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-25 Thread Roger


On Friday, July 25, 2014 6:16:16 PM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote:
>
> Installed the PDW safety clips tonight.  They were a perfect fit on the VO 
> stays and adjustment was a piece of cake.
>

Thanks Andrew! That's really helpful to know.

 For the last few years I've been conflicted between that nagging 
Riv-fueled suspicion that any fenders without the SKS safety tab were less 
than optimally safe, yet every SKS fender I've had I've disliked enough to 
remove every time I thought there wouldn't be rain for awhile. The metal VO 
fenders I have on two bikes have become permanent parts on them - and I 
look forward to adding these clips to the VO fenders for peace of mind.

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-26 Thread Roger
Great to hear Andrew!

I prefer VO fenders to SKS and look forward to these clips, for peace of mind 
if nothing else.

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Re: [RBW] best fenders for Rambouillet? WTB question

2014-07-26 Thread Steven Frederick
Aw shucks, I just threw them on...B-)


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Nice fender line!
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Steven Frederick 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm running that combo on my Rambly-32mm Soma Pasela clones (size actual
>> and labled)
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/14486815897/in/photostream/lightbox/
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>> Does anyone else find sharing pics from the "new, improve" Flikk'r
>> frustrating?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM, bingomck  wrote:
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>>> Wow, glad you are Ok!
>>>
>>> Question for group related to yours, will SKS Longboard P45 fenders fit
>>> in a Ram with Tektro 559 side pulls? If so, what would be max. tire size,
>>> 32-35ish?
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