Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[cyclotourist]

Curious enough to look it up. Real nice, but yeah, kinda' spendy.
http://spurcycle.com/bell.html


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David

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On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:31 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Spurcycle makes the best bell I have found. It is really nice, however it
> does not have quite the classic look as a brass bell. It is stunning in
> it's perfection and tooling. I have one on my Atlantis and have ordered
> another for my mountain bike. Expensive for a bell, but worth it.
> Clay
>
>
> On Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:34:32 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
>> So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c,
>> Shraeder Raleigh.
>>
>> I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock :
>> copper, brass, aluminum.
>>
>> I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my
>> Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered.
>>
>> *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg)
>> (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex
>> overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is
>> beautiful and a rich looking color.
>>
>> *The Copper goes:* Dng.  Not much in the way of overtones.
>> Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember
>> than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on
>> websites.
>>
>> *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed
>> it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was
>> dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material
>> and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and
>> flat.
>>
>> So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool
>> when it ages and gets all patina-ed up.
>>
>> I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order.
>> What would really be great is a *real* 1" headset spacer hammer bell.
>>
>> *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Goshen Peter]

Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a brass
bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique.
On Jul 27, 2014 2:11 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> Curious enough to look it up. Real nice, but yeah, kinda' spendy.
> http://spurcycle.com/bell.html
>
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:31 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Spurcycle makes the best bell I have found. It is really nice, however it
>> does not have quite the classic look as a brass bell. It is stunning in
>> it's perfection and tooling. I have one on my Atlantis and have ordered
>> another for my mountain bike. Expensive for a bell, but worth it.
>> Clay
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:34:32 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>>> So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c,
>>> Shraeder Raleigh.
>>>
>>> I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock
>>> : copper, brass, aluminum.
>>>
>>> I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my
>>> Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered.
>>>
>>> *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg)
>>> (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex
>>> overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is
>>> beautiful and a rich looking color.
>>>
>>> *The Copper goes:* Dng.  Not much in the way of overtones.
>>> Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember
>>> than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on
>>> websites.
>>>
>>> *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed
>>> it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was
>>> dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material
>>> and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and
>>> flat.
>>>
>>> So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool
>>> when it ages and gets all patina-ed up.
>>>
>>> I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order.
>>> What would really be great is a *real* 1" headset spacer hammer bell.
>>>
>>> *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?*
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, *Bobby!* You're so *eloquent!*

Those were indeed perfect similes!

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> Spot-on with the descriptions.  That sustained Dingg.. of the
> Crane brass bell is like the after-flavors of a good wine, the lingering
> taste of a perfectly-brewed cup of Columbian coffee, the follow-through of
> a beautiful golf swing or that precisely-placed Frisbee throw Funny,
> who could have ever imagined that a little bell could bring such richness
> to life... :)
>
> Peace
> BB
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> On S
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:


Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a 
brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique.




Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this 
list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Goshen Peter]

So what does brass do, is just called patina?
On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:

> On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
>
>>
>> Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a
>> brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique.
>>
>>
> Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/27/2014 04:01 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:


So what does brass do, is just called patina?



"corrosion"

On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, "Steve Palincsar" > wrote:


On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:


Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice
parts of a brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the
sound is so unique.


Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on
this list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Goshen Peter]

Ah, I see. I am a semantics person too so I appreciate the clarification.
On Jul 27, 2014 4:06 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:

>  On 07/27/2014 04:01 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
>
> So what does brass do, is just called patina?
>
>
> "corrosion"
>
>  On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:
>
>> On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a
>>> brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique.
>>>
>>>
>> Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this
>> list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[cyclotourist]

Oxidation?

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On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Goshen Peter 
wrote:

> Ah, I see. I am a semantics person too so I appreciate the clarification.
> On Jul 27, 2014 4:06 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:
>
>>  On 07/27/2014 04:01 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
>>
>> So what does brass do, is just called patina?
>>
>>
>> "corrosion"
>>
>>  On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
>>>

 Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a
 brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique.


>>> Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this
>>> list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Bill Lindsay]

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers — joined in the serious business 
of keeping our food , shelter, clothing 
and loved ones from combining with oxygen."

Kurt Vonnegut, who perhaps considered bells in the category of "loved ones"


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> Oxidation?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Ron Mc]

brass grows a very nice patina in weathering exposure.  You have to have 
salts and build up of sludge to make brass corrode, and then you can't even 
tell that it corroded because the normal mode is dealloying.  
This fishing reel is 130 years old - where it was corroding is where 
mildewed silk line was rotting on it.  




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> business of keeping our food , 
> shelter, clothing and loved ones from combining with oxygen."
>
> Kurt Vonnegut, who perhaps considered bells in the category of "loved ones"
>
>
> On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:28:06 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Oxidation?
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Montclair BobbyB]

Thank you, Sir Patrick for the flattery... but it's simply the truth...there's 
just something about brass...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Eunice Chang]

First of all, thanks for the bell noise descriptions. That was very
enlightening!

Second- has anyone ever tried these bells? Pricey, but interesting
design/material...

http://sogrenibikes.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2

-E.


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> Thank you, Sir Patrick for the flattery... but it's simply the
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Ron Mc]

yes, my friend has the copper one on his Dahon to match copper fenders and 
extensive copper plate trim.  Barely audible - does not ring, kinda pings

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:23:55 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote:
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> First of all, thanks for the bell noise descriptions. That was very 
> enlightening!
>
> Second- has anyone ever tried these bells? Pricey, but interesting 
> design/material...
>
>
> http://sogrenibikes.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2
>
> -E.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Montclair BobbyB  > wrote:
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>> Thank you, Sir Patrick for the flattery... but it's simply the 
>> truth...there's just something about brass...
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RE: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Eunice:

I had one, too – it’s just not loud enough for my taste (the Crane bells hit 
the sweet spot in that department), so I tool it off my Bombadil.  But it sure 
was pretty while it was there.

Tom

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First of all, thanks for the bell noise descriptions. That was very 
enlightening!

Second- has anyone ever tried these bells? Pricey, but interesting 
design/material...

http://sogrenibikes.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2

-E.

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Thank you, Sir Patrick for the flattery... but it's simply the truth...there's 
just something about brass...

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RE: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

Sögreni stuff always looks to me to exist at the point where visual design 
outruns common sense.  It's always pretty, but the prettiness has reduced the 
functionality.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Chris Chen]

That logo is huge on there. Are you sure it doesn't say CHANEL?


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:49 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro <
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> Sögreni stuff always looks to me to exist at the point where visual design
> outruns common sense.  It's always pretty, but the prettiness has reduced
> the functionality.
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RE: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Me, too.  More bike-bell!!

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Thanks, these are exceedingly cool in form and function.   Simply could not 
resist ordering one.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

[Leslie]

On Sunday, July 27, 2014 4:07:27 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:
>
> Ah, I see. I am a semantics person too so I appreciate the clarification. 
> On Jul 27, 2014 4:06 PM, "Steve Palincsar" > 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 07/27/2014 04:01 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
>>  
>> So what does brass do, is just called patina? 
>>
>> "corrosion"
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, "Steve Palincsar" > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
>>>
 Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a 
 brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique.

>>> Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this 
>>> list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust.
>>>
>>
The desired word here is 'tarnish'.   In this case, dealing with brass, it 
is an oxidation process.   As Steve pointed out, rusting is the oxidation 
of iron;  tarnishing is the oxidation of copper or brass.  (Though to be 
precise, a tarnish can form with other than 'oxidation'; if instead of 
oxygen, it was sulfur dioxide, or for silver, hydrogen sulfide... well, 
there's the whole reducing environment versus oxidizing environment... say, 
if you have available iron in an an oxidizing environment, yes, you can 
have hematite or magnetite forming (Fe2O3 or Fe3O4), but if it's a reducing 
environment, you end up with pyrites (FeS2, etc.) instead.  

One difference:  a tarnish is happening on the surface, and can form a 
'protective' layer for the underlying metal.   A rust, like a normal 'red' 
rust, can continue to see ongoing oxidation of iron.  (However, it is 
possible to get a 'black rust' to act as a tarnish, and keep the underlying 
iron from rusting. )

-L
(a geologist, trying to remember his chemistry)
 

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